A Viking Take on White Guilt

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[@thewal1ofsleep]

This is exactly the type of paganism content I didn't even realize I was looking for. These types of existential and/or worldview questions are the ones that I have a hard time putting into words, so I'm glad I stumbled upon your channel and look forward to digging into videos. I grew up in the USA without any imposed religion. My father grew up Catholic, I believe, but I don't think they regularly went to church. My mom grew up Protestant, but stopped going to church after high school. I was not lead to believe anything spiritually as a child, so I thought I was coming into paganism without any of that "baggage". However, I've begun realizing that so many cultural norms originated with religion, and that's where a lot of the stuff in my head comes from. Really interesting stuff.

[@lauracollins2894]

I like this - relating the distant god of christianity to a lack of responsibility while still feeling the burden which disempowera at the same time. Good thing to look out for in averyday life too ... feelings of guilt vs sense of responsibility leading to action. Two very different paradigms. thanks Rune ... doesn't mean that feeling will disappear overnight but it's good to have a cerebral analysis to fall back on

[@runeguidance1341]

Guilt is never productive. We need productivity.

[@ml-squared]

Absolutely wonderful take, it resonates with my Catholic upbringing as well. Too often we feel that simply having the correct moral positions on issues is enough, but responsibility and action are most important. It seems people mapped faith to the secular world, through faith in left ideals alone we can achieve our goals, and that's deeply deeply flawed.

[@iachtulhu1420]

That's why actual scientific socialists/communists, aka Marxists frown upon modern Liberal wokeness and idealism/absolute moralism from either side of political spectrum. I wouldn't call this hyper-moralistic attitude leftist, it's mostly American social liberalism on cocaine. Real leftists don't concern themselves with such matters (at least not using these tactics which are detrimental to any real change). To be in this world, and of this world, we have to have relations, responsibility, real historical knowledge of how things actually became realities and not invoke some abstract notions such as "sin", "goodness", Platonic ideals or liberal guilt-driven antics., whether it's our understanding of economics, society, politics etc. Reality is much more complex and relational, as is the case in dialectical materialism, complexity theory or historical change (main Marxist tools of analysis). As Max Stirner would say; we have to exorcise spooks and absolutes from our understanding and experience. I would say, as a socialist pagan, of Slavic heritage, we have the ultimate relational concept of "Mir" (not abstract metaphysical concept). It holds two meanings: "world" and "peace". Originally it had both meanings, now those two simultaneously exist only in East Slavic languages (the idea is lost in translation in most of modern Slavic languages). But the original idea is this: original pagan Slavs use this concept to describe intentional, local "community" around "hearth fire" (symbolically, the center of our relationality and home cult), be it close kindred, family or communities tied by oaths, agreements and contracts. By Mir in a more "cosmic" sense we mean the whole world (Vse-Mir; literal translation: All-Peace). So, it is at the same time describing the community and world at large and psychological and social concept or "peace" - absence of war, conflict etc.. not in idealist way - as total negation of all conflicts and believing in all-pervasive goodness of humanity, it's relations which are built around "fire", literal and symbolical. Even Soviets had the slogan "Mir miru" = "peace to the world" as a remnant of such social and relational understanding. The oldest root would be certainly animistic, there are many such concepts within original Slavic culture and religion, as I believe many Indo-European tradition also possess these ideas (not just Indo-European also).

[@HAYAOLEONE]

@@iachtulhu1420 It's simply a scam. And we can all see through it. Nothing to do with Christianity. Mir is the Kingdom of Heaven in Christian spiritual mapping. Marxism was and is a poison. Injected into Europe/Eurasia. Marxism is directly linked to gulags and extermination. Marxism is bullshit and has in the end nothing to do with 'based' socialism. Small Christian 'communities' were for all intent and purposes, soviet. _

[@IAMtheoneyoulovetolove]

Thank you.

[@versipellislupus2615]

As a brazilian i have portuguese, african and native ancestry. Both the conquered and the conquerors live in my blood, for the good or bad im a result of colonialism, being angry and yelling at the mistakes of the dead won't fix anything, we need to learn from these mistakes and also realize that every single people in this world has at some point waged war against other people. Europeans were simply brutally effective and their conquests are still recent, not saying that what they did was right but the natives here weren't also a big happy family, they fought each other just like everyone else. It is completely pointless to see the world in a lens of oppressor and victim.

[@erikaaltensee5358]

The dilemma in American academia is less about white guilt and more about learning how to listen to others. Cultural hegemony is alive and well and totally offended. Educators in my state who use certain words (i.e., privilege, reparations, evolution, and climate change) can have their certification revoked. And that's made possible by the great revisionists that write our mandated curriculum and a monocrop of new laws forbidding #crt. No need to worry if this offensive. People fight wars and win to get their points across. The discussion is important. The best truths bring about real change once people see. Thanks for being the idiosyncratic crystal that shines the light of truth on us. Good stuff!

[@ricksmith9256]

You realize that these new curriculums including crt explicitly call for white guilt and "acknowledgement" that by virtue of simply being born white puts you in a highly privileged class of elites that are rewarded by the societal institutions? What world are you living in where this is a good, fair, just, non-racist thing? I will not deny that racism exists, but it exists from all sides directed at all the other races, and to think that the current powers that be actually favor whites is based on nothing but air and propaganda. Will it actually help if you tell all the white kids that they have some kind of inherent original sin based on their skin color alone? Instead of just educating them that being mean and unfair to people based on their skin color is unjust and immoral? Why should anyone want to "learn how to listen to" bare-faced anti-white propaganda? Should we start learning how to listen to the kkk and neo-nazis? I mean those guys are thrown out of every discussion if you want to rate them on the grounds of not being listened to and losing credibility/livelihood. True oppressed underdogs of society lmao

[@anamenon-milkbased7661]

“Redemption rather than absolution” I couldn’t agree with that statement more.

[@aliasalone5823]

I feel like a lot of people still Missed the mark on this video… it isn’t saying that you Shouldn’t feel sorry about what happened it’s saying to take responsibility! And look towards what can be done to not necessarily repair the damage done but at least start working towards it! A lot of people in the comments get so stuck in just the prt they wanted to hear and cherry pick bits from it and walk away from it with don’t feel guilty just do better which isn’t it chief. Absolutely Loved this video!

[@mattias5157]

I don´t get the point of feeling sorry though. Seems to me like an alcoholic that has left the bottle but decides to go back again having "just a little sip". Seems to me that you are not ready to give up your feeling of guilt, since it makes your ego to feel important and in a central position in the Universe. "Mea culpa, mea culpa!" - that´s an extremely egotistical statement. You sat that you do, but again: you "feel sorry". Don´t. What happened happened. It wasn´t you! Keep going.

[@Scar-jg4bn]

Why would I take responsibility for things I didn't do? It's ok to be white.

[@abbanjo13]

As a person of Northern German and Afro-Caribbean descent I really enjoyed this take. I can see concrete ways, like rich British aristocrats finally giving over the old plantation land to descendents of slavery, that reparations can finally be made. And it's not like reparations are alien to former colonial states. Britain was paying slave debts to folks like David Cameron until 2015, for the loss of their ancestors human chattel. They've done this before just in the wrong direction.

[@geoffmassey6626]

Sorry if you've already heard this before, but this reminded me of a piece of writing that was influential on me, in a really good way. (Peter Gelderloos' "Lines in Sand" for reference).

[@ramblingrootscamp]

Its quite easy for yourself and other folk living in europe to distance yourself from the horrors of colonialism and chattle slavery even though your modern societies wealth is derived from it the same as those in the colonies. For those of us living in the colonies we have to live everyday witnessing the fall out from the horrors of colonization and how thise horrors still are happening today. A measure of guilt is not a bad thing, it is the first step of reconciliation and helps to prevent atrocities from repeating themselves

[@IAMtheoneyoulovetolove]

This applies to the hard-core Neville goddard intertwined with ACIM teachings too.

[@patfrench8046]

Thank you so much for your point of view.

[@braintennant69]

Tak Rune... Har tænkt meget på det emne på det sidste, og du beroligede mig lidtXD Hej fra Ribe:)

[@ericr2617]

As someone who believes in animism I also have a deep respect for nature and nature processes in the world. I recognize that in nature animals often do violence to one another. It may not be pretty, but it is the facts of survival. Every animal, to their own ability, will take food, land, mating partners and even the very flesh and blood from one another. The same goes for humans. Although I prefer peace with all peoples, I will not apologize for competing in the way that all humans naturally do . Other races of the world have killed and enslaved us at various points in history (although not as recent) and many countries continue to do atrocities to their own people today. The idea that white people are the bad guys of history is a shaming tactic used by people who see virtue in victimhood.

[@nimged8952]

I think you would like the writings of Julius Evola

[@leadslinger49]

It's simple. Two points. Number 1. I didn't didn't do it. Number 2. It's insane to carry guilt or make restitution for people from an era that I never lived in.

[@moanamayallvc]

"responsibility for contemporary situations": yes! that makes much more sense. Besides mostly paralysing the possibilities, white guilt may actually become demagogic political platforms (Democrats, Greens etc) and even a commodity in the age of sofa-pseudo-activism in the social media... what is really leading to transformation is action, empathy, solidarity, collaboration, debt understanding & responsibility embracing ...

[@artemis12061966]

You have some very good points....

[@raspberrytreacle]

Whites today don't need to apologise for their past.

[@nimged8952]

Only for the awful stuff they are doing now

[@OmasHouse5976]

This is the most incredibly clear explanation of how to understand our duty w/o dying in the guilt of our ancestors. Amazing thoughtful and clear path to creating space for making amendments to our society to STOP the conditions that are still resulting in colonialization.

[@NordicAnimism]

Thanks! Check my playlist on the overall topic of politics of animacy kzbin.info/aero/PLpgfnnXC81dUnVSuQrkrOZs3ggaV90qsb

[@OmasHouse5976]

@@NordicAnimism I just joined your patreon as a supporter, I've been watching you a while and love your work.

[@kebman]

Nobody talks about Arab guilt. I think we should talk more about that...

[@HAYAOLEONE]

Yes. And 'islamic' guilt too. Which is funny since tons of historical 'muslims' were very pale skinned people..

[@entropy2283]

History was brutal and on many occasions short, regardless of the society you wish to focus your lens on. In the "civilized west" children as young as 5 were sent down mines, up chimneys, into mills, families starved in overcrowded filthy slums and were transported to Australia or even sentenced to death for stealing a loaf of bread to keep them from starving to death, and this was at the exact same time as black slavers sold black slaves to white people literally for alcohol (also, slavery has existed for millenia, still exists today). The "guilt" shouldn't be placed on the everyday Joe. This is a misguided political move. Most of us had innocent ancestors who just led simple lives and worked hard to make a living; mine were Irish tailors and Welsh blacksmiths for example, not slave owners or even factory owners. Also in this modern age of white self-hate people forget that without conquest there would be no technological progress; it's the harsh truth I'm afraid. Rather than saying how terrible white protestants were, we could say, life sucked for most people historically in most eras and white protestants were doing all that they knew at the time to make things better for themselves then. We project our c.21st morality and ethics onto c.18th people, when it might be better for us to view them in a more honest perspective and see them for who they were as a people with different moral and social values, far lower living standards, primitave technology, much less knowledge about the world or other people than we have today (they generally used religion in place of science). It's the elite if anyone who should shoulder the guilt. Historically, they are the ones who sent kids down mines and owned cotton farms in the US. They are the ones today who still wield the power to make people jump en masse when they click their fingers. IMHO, true equality is when everybody can just get along regardless of colour, gender, class and not make any issue or preference out of it (and this includes "positive discrimination"), that is to say people take people as they are as individuals not based on any superficial criteria; thinking forwards towards a better future not backwards to people who died before anybody alive was even born. I don't and won't take political sides, I'm just here to say it as I see it.

[@vacationbibleschool268]

Hi! Just started watching your videos, listening to your podcast, and reading your blog. I love your work. As a protest Christian myself, I loved this video. I grew up with a Methodist background, which is different from the Reformed tradition you're describing (of course, not without its problems, but they are of a different sort). You did an excellent job succinctly describing why the ultra-Reformed Christian traditions always sounded so foreign to me, and why they can be so destructive. It seems to me that Christians could -- oh, I don't know -- maybe follow an example that's actually in the Gospels, where "salvation" involves reparations: "He entered Jericho and was passing through it. 2 A man was there named Zacchaeus; he was a chief tax collector and was rich. 3 He was trying to see who Jesus was, but on account of the crowd he could not, because he was short in stature. 4 So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore tree to see him, because he was going to pass that way. 5 When Jesus came to the place, he looked up and said to him, “Zacchaeus, hurry and come down, for I must stay at your house today.” 6 So he hurried down and was happy to welcome him. 7 All who saw it began to grumble and said, “He has gone to be the guest of one who is a sinner.” 8 Zacchaeus stood there and said to the Lord, “Look, half of my possessions, Lord, I will give to the poor, and if I have defrauded anyone of anything, I will pay back four times as much.” 9 Then Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because he, too, is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of Man came to seek out and to save the lost.” (Luke 19:1-9).

[@ROALD.]

Outstanding!

[@celticviking1945]

This should be directed at all Christians, catholics too

[@HAYAOLEONE]

ok ODIN himself..

[@ricksmith9256]

My ancestors were all peasants. How did they have anything to do with shipping in slaves, how do I even know they owned any? Who is going to decide who gets reparations, how much and from who? Will the more guilty have to pay more? How will we decide who is more guilty? Who will be deciding this (i.e. who will wield the big stick of government-backed moral authority)? I'm sure reparations will all be fair and easy and not controversial at all.

[@dalesen]

I have 0 guilt and do NOT need approval or permission to Love my Ancestors.

[@chrisd1]

a very well thought out and eloquently expressed argument. Thank you

[@paganrevolutionary1269]

Whats the song in the intro

[@NordicAnimism]

its some friends - check out "the Serpent and the Maiden"

[@NordicAnimism]

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[@paganrevolutionary1269]

@@NordicAnimism a sheynem dank. Din kanal är en guldgruva :)

[@traciparker243]

Thanks for this, wish I had heard it 20 years ago when I was wallowing in my own particular white guilt. Have since moved past it, but as a young person I had no knowledge of what I could do, and was overwhelmed by the horror of my history. Grew up on east coast of USA and had names of ancestors who had killed lots of natives. Then there is the piece about tiptoeing around, because you are living on stolen land. I get so frustrated with this, as I had no part in choosing where or when or what type of body that I would be born into. So I like this more pragmatic and actionable response of doing. Thanks.

[@jurikurthambarskjelfir3533]

Weakling

[@caoimhingibson2803]

Excellent.

[@kebman]

He makes as much sense as someone claiming that today's Germans should pay for the crimes of their fathers. No sense at all. If someone did lose their family fortune, then I guess, maybe, help them out, but really, most people start at 0. Some start with a family fortune. Most people don't. So let bygones be bygones, and don't ever let the past define you. Instead use it to become better in the future.

[@sarahgilbert8036]

I tried to say that, and apparently I'm dishonest or misguided. Lol.

[@MagischerPfad]

In fact, we Germans paid for the crimes of our ancestors until 2010. Only in 2010 the reparations for the 1st World War were paid off, the money came from the taxes. After the 2nd World War the reparations consisted of dismantling for example the railroad tracks, German patents and German foreign assets were confiscated by the victorious powers. Don't get me wrong, I am glad we lost the wars, horrible idea if not. But the fact is, we paid for the crimes of our ancestors until 2010, and not even to those who suffered the most from their crimes.

[@Northern85Star]

1:40 Compared to people who have nothing in common with norse values and culture, yes - but when compared to people who do, like people in the criminal underworld, then it is very comparable.

[@TalabAlSahra]

Holy crap this video is so based

[@marykayryan7891]

This may be a bit too "cosmic" for you, but "psychics" say that guilt drains energy. Even if that is taken as a metaphor or in the modern psychological sense, the whole complex that you have identified of guilt, sin, redemption etc. etc. were, and possibly still are, used by the churches who espouse them as ways to drain energy from their followers and thus make them more malleable to authoritarianism. If these assertions are correct, then this complex was definitely a part of patriarchy, authoritarian systems, capitalism and colonialism. Why was it so damned important to "convert the Natives," for instance? (Many answers to that question, I realize, but this may be one of them.)

[@sarahgilbert8036]

Acknowledge what history did, yes. Teach what happened, based on the reality of life in that era, any era. Blaming people living today, born a long time after what happened here, there, elsewhere however, no. I was no more involved in colonizing other countries, than contemporary Germans (born after 1950) have anything to do with Nazi horrors. If I were to blame todays Germans, I should by the logic of previously colonized peoples, demand redemption from Germans now. African tribes warred against each other, capturing & selling captured enemies to the sailors who came with money. That makes them as guilty as the colons. But does anyone mention that? Not many.

[@HAYAOLEONE]

You're very confused. Or dishonest.

[@sarahgilbert8036]

@@HAYAOLEONE explain please. I am very well educated on history, from multiple angles. I've lived in (not just visited as a tourist) many countries all over. I fail to comprehend your unreasoned comment.

[@HAYAOLEONE]

. PEOPLE do things, not History . People don't behave the same in any given era . If you did very bad things, time changes nothing about it . ''Nazi horrors'' please.. . Not logical . Slaves were sold to merchants/slave-traders, not sailors or colonists It's as if you tried to put a spin into each 'point', sarah.. Hence my first comment.

[@HAYAOLEONE]

@@sarahgilbert8036 Don't start with gratuitous vile remarks. Ask for an explanation. No need to use ''unreasoned comment'' and be beachy. Get it sarah?

[@HAYAOLEONE]

@@sarahgilbert8036 And nobody cares about your supposed 'value'. Plus it's the internet.. [BTW I am very educated too]

[@moanamayallvc]

Even though I descend from Tupinambas, I can not just say I am Tupinamba nowadays, despite all respect, identification and spiritual connection with Tupinambas. Why are some people from North Europe claiming to be Vikings, even though coming from centuries of romanised, christian, positivist, utilitarian, capitalist education/ tradition? Why not being a bit humble and try to relearn and defend pagan wisdom through the people that resisted enough to be alive today in other regions of the planet? *That doesn't mean using Ayahuasca and other rituals as therapy to keep the same old comfort zone achieved by colonial advantages, ok?

[@mattedmands2085]

I am not sure I understand you but most of the current "leaders" of True Asatru and Nordic Paganism that I've read or listen to speak do openly discuss that they have learned from and honored the traditions of other cultures in trying to piece back what was lost during Christian expansionism in the middle ages. If you identify with Tupinamba then I don't know why you can't refer to yourself as one if you follow their cultural beliefs. I am not familiar with the Tupinamba or their cultural practices but am interested in what I can learn if you have a source you could recommend it's not my culture but all cultures need to be remembered. True Animism isn't worshiping the gods of a specific location though it's connecting and working with the spirits of the land you currently abide in and most American pagans ignore this because honestly America has no culture they should be following the example of the local indigenous peoples not pining after the spirits of a distant homeland and no connection to the current landscape.

[@marykayryan7891]

You are awesome! I have always said that the whole concept of guilt is self-serving. All one has to do is feel guilty and one is completely absolved from having to actually TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for what has happened, make amends and change the system. AND, as you say, guilt of the sort you are speaking, is an individualization of things that are most often socially, politically and collectively derived. One can feel as guilty as can be, but it does not do ANYTHING at all to change unjust systems of oppression. If one thinks that things have happened and/or are happening that are unjust, unfair, vicious, destructive etc. then get up off your whining, guilty ass and do something to change that. "Reparations" are not just mailing out a check. They are making actual change that could shift historically embedded ongoing systems of oppression. F guilt! Do something useful.

[@infra-cyan]

I think by advocating reparations you are subcousciously seeking to redeem yourself. Prostestant guilt is like the hydra. ;-)

[@stephan5673]

I feel absolutely no guilt, neither do I agree with reparations, All civilizations would owe reparations. It would be taking from Peter to pay paul, pointless.

[@XD_cRiMeScEnE]

Alright I’ve given you a chance and you too left wing for me. Have a great life bro but, I’m not here to further support your feelings.

[@NordicAnimism]

I certainly, most definetely hope that people aren't on this channel to support my feelings - check this out for being leftist, you might just like it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqOclH-fmJxsock