A VPN is Useless Against These Kinds of Internet ID Threats

Tracking people is now like rocket science. In the old days, just recording the IP address (which you can protect with a VPN) was good enough. Now the head butting between privacy believers and big tech continues and I will describe the many other threats that can identify you even when you hide your IP address. These are all threats in the Application Layer (OSI Layer 7) so this cannot be protected in the usual ways. There are solutions! But it requires discipline and understanding of what can be done by the opposition.
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[@an740ny]

You're a great teacher, Rob. Thank you.

[@realmstupid-on8df]

3am and I'm getting my dose of nighttime de propogandaing and a punch of reality

[@murphybrown666]

3:42

[@Chancel388]

Same

[@robotron1236]

The propaganda lately has been worse than I’ve seen in years. 2024 has been wild so far.

[@marvelousmaker]

It is sad when it feels like one needs several college courses just to protect privacy.

[@robbraxmantech]

This is what big tech wants, for you not to know

[@UrmelsSecret]

@@robbraxmantech If i got u right, it isnt rocket-sience, but "we" have to learn continuously! I've a lot to learn. Thx and best wishes for you and your loved ones!

[@UnixDaemonKiller]

And nothing ever works correctly on layers 1-4 because of drivers. 😮 And the ISP.

[@IchiroSensei69]

I have a feeling that this Google or big tech companies will do something to stop spreading videos like this

[@UrmelsSecret]

@@IchiroSensei69 Yep ! But there are always new possibillities or ways ! U've to keep this in mind

[@shaneinaz00]

Thank you RB for all that you do.

[@reefhound9902]

One indication that you have been flagged for inconsistent identifiers is when you are presented with captchas and other verification steps that you don't get when using an unprotected browser not on VPN.

[@georgeorwell3501]

That happens to me quite often. Thanks for the info.

[@ТоварищКамрадовСоциалистКоммун]

these days you can get human identifier any step you do. Register a new account, access web site, whatever. This is made to prevent from bot/automatized activities first of all, not to get your unique fingerprint

[@patrickday4206]

Yeah it's has been pissing me off and has been making me wonder if the captchas are a method for getting extra data somehow.

[@jg_ultra]

A good thing to watch for, sure, but you can get a pile more captchas and similar simply by exiting from a known VPN node, so it is equally important that people don’t freak out about it inappropriately.

[@reefhound9902]

Anonymity requires multiple things. Use a VPN, clear cookies, and disguise fingerprints.

[@michaeldawson6309]

I think once you log into Meta or Google with a valid Id your toast no matter what hiding technique you use.

[@IchiroSensei69]

​@@michaeldawson6309😂

[@lupaswolfshead9971]

VPN makes it easier to fingerprint you.Also trying to hide your fingerprint makes you stand out like a sore thumb it causes the result your trying to hide. The "trick" with fingerprinting is the grey rock approach. Blend in with the general masses and not do the huge neon sign over your head whilst you are jumping up and down waving your hands in the air screaming at the top of your voice... look at me i am trying to hide something.

[@papasmurf9146]

@@michaeldawson6309 it's probably not a perfect solution, but I have various virtual machines running on my Linux system. The "Chrome" icon uses ssh to launch chrome on a virtual machine and is my only access to Google. If I did Meta, I would have a similar setup for it (different virtual machine, different account name). At least then it might be contained.

[@jg_ultra]

And use a dedicated machine that has never been connected to anything without the VPN active.

[@cx3268]

heard too many say, Oh 'I have VPN' as if that's a complete protection.

[@great_gold9016]

Great video Rob! I love this format, it helps us follow along and the break down in segments is perfect. I appreciate the hard work you put into your weekly videos. Thank you 🙏😎

[@swagmuffin9000]

Lol i like the pfp. Calyx is great 👍🏻

[@pigeonarmstrong]

I love your channel. Thanks for all useful info!

[@mikefellbach6841]

Brazil can easily detect if a user uses a VPN by looking at the IP address of the VPN server that a user connects to and also by examining the traffic. Wireguard and OpenVPN have very specific profiles and are constantly blocked by China for example. So using a VPN would probably not prevent hefty fines.

[@AnthonyPrince01]

How about using a VPN using UDP, TCP and port 443 or 80

[@salpertia]

Would they be able to block i2p?

[@ТоварищКамрадовСоциалистКоммун]

but they take into account not only port, it's a more complex data harvesting

[@Ellifiknow]

Would it help to spoof your location before you turn on vpn?

[@ТоварищКамрадовСоциалистКоммун]

if you know how to spoof your location without vpn, then why do you need vpn at all

[@ratmadness4858]

"they" track everything

[@michaeldawson6309]

Great information as always thank you for sharing this. :-) p.s Rob could you explain maybe in another video how the protocol QUIC used by Google is so dangerous to security as it cannot be inspected by deep packet inspection on even a NG Firewall so generally we block it, but then the session re establishes via TCP but what exactly is the capability of Google QUIC. It seems to me like they can control and do almost anything hidden from you.

[@joyboricua3721]

Amazon does this a lot too

[@linsqopiring6816]

There are so many privacy threats that can defeat a VPN it's quite onerous. But watch to the end because there are some powerful ways to fight back. Rob, why the time change for the upload? Just curious.

[@robbraxmantech]

screwed up

[@linsqopiring6816]

@@robbraxmantech lol, well it was a nice screw up because I got to see it sooner.

[@Ellifiknow]

Well done.

[@Stephen_Strange]

Wow, thank you Rob - SO many views in such a short amount of time, so many people want this, less tracking because we don't want to be spied on, doesn't mean we are up to no good either.

[@Danomax]

Good job

[@SavedByTheBloodOfJesus.]

Rob, thank you for all you do for us. You have taught me so much about privacy. I appreciate you so much. I also use your email, sms and vpn service. Thanks again Rob!

[@Janine.A.Irizar]

👍👍👍 For the algorithm

[@blinkmeforever]

Yes

[@localbod]

For the algorithm. That's beautiful Janine. 👍😎

[@user-fu9kl8mp4u]

No such thing as privacy to any degrees even in the slightest. Want a tiny amount of privacy?..you'll have to get rid of your internet system, but then,there is no total privacy any more.

[@chrisr7597]

Thanks Rob🔥

[@harveybc]

This is all very interesting. Was amazed at the information given from the /geo/ page. I went to the page on a box booted into Linux, then a Linux virtual box hosted on windows, and windows itself. Was amazed at how accurate the information was. Then I booted into tails and went there through tor. It's amazing difference.

[@robertjbelenger]

Notice that Brave browser (Linux) is only for x64 systems. Thanks for the video once again. Cheers.

[@NoEgg4u]

Rob, if via Windows, I use TOR browser to visit a site, am I giving up my identify? Or is the only safe way to remain anonymous is by TAILs, or Parrot OS's AnonSurf, or Qubes OS, etc?

[@lupaswolfshead9971]

TOR lol you are not anonymous on TOR. Naval intelligence created operating system. C.I.A/I.S.I.S controlled gateways.

[@ТоварищКамрадовСоциалистКоммун]

TOR is an open source project. Words against it look rather like an anti-TOR propaganda. Secret services might certainly make a boom out of a li ion battery like recently reported speculations (or preliminary data), but this just reveal there capability and make many countries and governments invest in their own electronics and software. The end of M$ and US monopoly might be much sooner then ) Same about Pegasus

[@michaeldawson6309]

I would say yes your identity could be compromised by application ID and tracking info which is outside the network layers protected by a VPN or re routed traffic as these only block the IP and session data. I think as Rob explained that you have to keep off Google applications and away from wifi networks as it appears if I understood Rob correctly that Google will use your wifi environment to triangulate your device and since if your logged into a google account they now know where and who this communication is coming from. So if your doing something you want to hide I would say yes use TAILS with a VPN or TOR and BRAVE but never use the device to access Google services else your identified. Anything to comment Rob?

[@hiru92]

anon surf is TOR for all apps on OS

[@lupaswolfshead9971]

surprise surprise my comment on the truth about what TOR really is was deleted. I wonder why.

[@nileswright8915]

and here we thought it was all about the lies and scams and sheety peeps....... what were we thinking?!? :(

[@circuitmasters5258]

😂 I wish they would create a device with no Os that ties to none of these sun guns

[@zwarst]

WEF advisor and Schwab's right-hand man, Yuval Noah Harari says that "If you apply for a job, what you did 10 or 20 years ago suddenly pops up and defines who you are today. You told a racist joke, yelled at someone 15 years ago, and it comes out. You won't get this job. The databases we collect on everyone are a much more powerful tool than any AI." Just imagine, your life soon being one long job interview

[@EfficientRVer]

Just remember that to get a job, you don't need to be perfect. You just need to be better than the other job candidates. Most things in life, grade people on a curve. Perfect people don't exist. Just have fewer skeletons in your closet than most other people, and you'll do fine.

[@zwarst]

@@EfficientRVer the problem is, people wont be selecting candidates, machines will..

[@Mythhammer]

@@zwarst Exactly. Machines programed to look for anything other than skill/experience/domain experience. Thats how deeply the mind virus has penetrated.

[@your.handlehere]

Thank you so much

[@Michael-oj5pr]

Awesome, i already knew many of this but now im concerned that my empty TP roll is tracking me...

[@KentoLeoDragon]

I get hit with not a robot games when I use Brave, and Brave + VPN I'll be solving games all day.

[@RexFitzpatrick]

Great info! Appreciate your work. Would Docker and/or containers either if it is an extension, or add-on, or app stop the data collection?

[@robbraxmantech]

Some

[@tacticalcenter8658]

Only trust de-googled browsers. Not just open sourve.

[@tacticalcenter8658]

Even ff needs user. js mitigations.

[@UnitedPublicServantAwareness]

Yeah but people like "Rob" and us all can't resist "KZbin" That is "Google" 😆 The question if "robbraxmantech" is so concerned about his privacy and defending privacy of other why is he on here in the first place with a KZbin channel?? It's "Google" 😆👌

[@edgeiger1514]

Now youtube will not show me my comment, error msg only! 😂

[@_-.-_-.-_._-.-_-.-_]

Vpns are best used as a point of encryption and safety net to prevent dmca notices from your ISP lol

[@brodriguez11000]

Virtualization.

[@ТоварищКамрадовСоциалистКоммун]

you know that knocking at the door and loud shouts like "Police open the door" is the best de-virtualization

[@blinkmeforever]

Thank you good sir

[@colonike007]

Thank you for doing what you do , at this moment in time I'm literally learning and going through the Hard Knocks of reality with vpns your channel is the only one that I can find that tells the truth and the realities with everything to do with online and networking don't listen to the haters they're either Bots or your competition being jealous, keep doing what you do !!

[@UNcommonSenseAUS]

User agent switch

[@linsqopiring6816]

I'm hoping Rob will talk about this some time. There are extensions that do this. I'd like to get his take on how useful they are. Seems like a cool idea.

[@LynyrdSkynyrd.4Ever]

Not useful for hiding anything from trackers...

[@UNcommonSenseAUS]

@@LynyrdSkynyrd.4Ever the point is to not pick up the trackers in the first place.

[@picobyte]

Changing mac address also doesn't work anymore.

[@etziowingeler3173]

works for what? Of course it works, it's an important functionality. Almost every phone should do that these days

[@ТоварищКамрадовСоциалистКоммун]

where it doesn't work? it works perfectly

[@ProfessorVolland]

Great content, what about QubesOS without using Google?

[@lupaswolfshead9971]

Still ignoring the elephant in the room . Pegasus which is on every single system.

[@ya_mama_wak_af]

spell it backwards and it unveils everything you need to know

[@lupaswolfshead9971]

@@ya_mama_wak_af T.I sorry could not resist ;-)

[@michaeldawson6309]

@@ya_mama_wak_af Susagep ? I am confused :-)

[@BondLeiter]

No it’s not.

[@lupaswolfshead9971]

@@BondLeiter The Iranian Nuclear Agency would like to disagree. They had an isolated system too.

[@timmysmith9991]

Google and Meta are so evil.

[@PhilipdMorrison-s8u]

Thryvneddtkdielol

[@JamaicaWhiteMan]

However, it does prevent Starlink from knowing about the torrents I download, which is the only reason I use one.

[@robbraxmantech]

Then the VPN company gets the torrent reports.

[@JamaicaWhiteMan]

@@robbraxmantech And that matters, why? They don't seem bothered by it. Starlink, on the other hand, has been known to threaten to cancel accounts.

[@johnelway9879]

If they’re cooking walkie talkies that use GPS or misguiding JDAMs in Ukraine what chance do you think you stand a chance?

[@user-ze1bg2dz1s]

I get alot of im not a robot screens when on vpn

[@ТоварищКамрадовСоциалистКоммун]

no surprise. Thousands of people with the same IP. How can web site recognize you're not a robot?

[@LGB-FJB]

Get a better VPN.

[@98grand5point9]

Thanks again

[@weekendwarrior3420]

There is no the Registry on Linux. The browser still can look at all user's files, devices found on the system, installed apps and settings, and create a fingerprint.

[@Corteum]

Is it that the browser gets fingerprinted, or the actual device itself is fingerprinted? you cant connect to a site without a browser, so maybe it's the browser getting fingerprint?

[@glasslinger]

Both. I have two identical computers. I can take the hard drive on one and plug it into the other and be up and running instantly. When I use a function that uses tracking ("We recognize your device so you don't have to log in.") when I swap the computer the automatic login does not work, even though the hard drive is the same one. They are reading the hardware somehow.

[@Corteum]

@@glasslinger Intersting observations. I wonder what ChatGPT-o1 would say about it all

[@Corteum]

@@glasslinger Good initial observations. Maybe query one of the chattybott LLMs about it and see if it can help you "troubleshoot" it to a solution. Then you can run the test again and see if it made any difference. There are also websites that can test for leaks and other things. Therer may be different setups and configurations with regard to browser, security, debloatation apps, vpn settings, hardware configs that could fix it. Let's look into it more.

[@sheratedis]

What if I use multi account container in Firefox. Does it help to use Google and other services in one browser?

[@ТоварищКамрадовСоциалистКоммун]

that looks like a good extension, but I had no experience with it. If it works like declared, it's a good thing to have

[@LynyrdSkynyrd.4Ever]

Did you watch the video? He answers this question

[@johnsmith-ee6tr]

I use nightly so as to use about:config and turn off many settings and add some

[@rmh5102]

Curious to get your take on the pager incident..

[@TheyCallMeSir_H]

I understand that instead of using Google Chrome, I should use the Chromium browser. I need to use gmail for certain work related activities,

[@billcrane2444]

If you are using CalyxOS operating system on your phone and tether it to an Android OS phone to use Google Maps App while connected to the internet via a cellphone system are you creating any permanent identifier problems on the CalyxOS phone? In other words, will Google put permanent identifiers on the CalyxOS phone?

[@robbraxmantech]

Are you logged in? Then no

[@billcrane2444]

@@robbraxmantech Rob, thank you.

[@Archemideez]

cool stuff, as always!

[@kennethsmith4956]

Hey Rob, would you recommend an Linxus OS above any other OS's in your opinion? Thanks

[@kidvision564]

Good content

[@samsunga6927]

Great analysis.❤ *However,* I am still concerned about favicon tracking because it may be able to uniquely ID the motherboard without any device or platform ID codes. One sub-method tracks unique differences in GPU behaviour. It is not clear to me that current OSs or browsers are handling this problem, last I checked. Would u comment or make a video, please (or point me to an existing video)?

[@funkymunky]

Why does your browser test indicate that I'm without a VPN when I'm not? Is that how you get your foot in the door for users to buy your product?

[@lupaswolfshead9971]

Rob has only told you about a third of the info on fingerprinting and a lot of this is around 5 years out of date. Just saying.

[@robbraxmantech]

Browser fingerprinting is over a decade old. And is the least important now in all of this

[@lupaswolfshead9971]

@@robbraxmantech I am not talking about browser fingerprinting. That is only 5-10% of what fingerprinting is and you know it.

[@livingstonem10]

@@lupaswolfshead9971 I've seen you comment multiple times about your comments being removed. I'm curious if you're full schizo or actually know something we all don't. Can you link to the info you're talking about if you can't post it in a comment?

[@BlueBeeMCMLXI]

Do not have a device. Go back to REAL life. That would screw them up the most. Be face to face, person to person, pay in cash, only buy local physically.

[@4bSix86f61]

The tor browser in a vm is the ultimate tool. You ain't going anywhere with google's chrome and letting all that tracking js run in the background. facebook has gotten so bad I can't use it without signing in.

[@joanneb9705]

Is Electron a threat? they are forcing people to use it now and also for Brave ?

[@skatterbrainz]

What privacy can you gain from running a desktop virtual machine which is running anonsurf or another VPN within it? Does that really provide any privacy?

[@AS33445]

What does he mean by Linux as OS? Is that an app?

[@UNcommonSenseAUS]

Yeah it's an app 😂😂

[@ТоварищКамрадовСоциалистКоммун]

hey kiddos no candies, and no talk to unknown person, have your parents and/or school taught you about that?!!!!!

[@a.randomjack6661]

Linux is a huge family of OS's. Mint is the most popular and works quite well. Make sure you READ release notes and install instructions. They are easy to test without replacing your current OS as they can be launched from USB sticks. There are videos and written instructions on how to. It does require learning and reading, but that should be done for whatever OS one uses.

[@ryepepper]

No.. It's a video Game

[@chuckevans2792]

When you turn on your computer do you see windows? Or maybe Chrome OS? The OS is what starts when you turn it on. It shows you your apps and runs them for you. Windows OS runs windows apps. Chrome OS runs chrome store apps. Apple computers have macOS and it runs apple apps Linux runs mostly linux apps. Many flavors of linux have their own app stores that will install linux apps automatically just like windows does. Some will install steam games. Most of the linux app stores have mostly the same apps. Ubuntu linux also runs snap store apps.

[@originalhazelgreene]

My mom has difficulty using Brave for banking. She can't quite describe what it's doing, she doesnt know the terminology, just that she can't log in to banks, everything else logs in fine. Any idea where I should start looking to find her problem?

[@ТоварищКамрадовСоциалистКоммун]

in your case it's a bank account, and in case of US presidents it's about the big red button the more time senior people spend at the beach, the better

[@Ellifiknow]

Regarding Brazil, could I spoof my location before I turn on vpn?

[@LGB-FJB]

No

[@Buoyant-m5f]

ungoogled browser :)

[@false_positive]

Rob, how much good is brave + canvas blocker extension?

[@ТоварищКамрадовСоциалистКоммун]

I wouldn't recommend using it. You would be among 27k users (as of now), an easy target

[@robbraxmantech]

please follow my recommendations. There's a reason I ignore other things.

[@sarahkitty4729]

Simple program your own browser. Sell it and people would buy it

[@BobFromPineCreek]

Don't mindlessly copy a search link from google search to another browser.

[@LynyrdSkynyrd.4Ever]

Don't use Google search at all!

[@ТоварищКамрадовСоциалистКоммун]

is there any reason to use ggl these days? DDG, startpage, searx, opensearch, brave ...

[@BobFromPineCreek]

@@LynyrdSkynyrd.4Ever I used it once on my google-only browser and did what I posted above. I may have compromised my other browser.

[@vondaniels18]

How do you buy a de-googled phone?

[@robbraxmantech]

on brax.me we have them

[@OH2023-cj9if]

So what is the solution? I missed that bit.

[@ТоварищКамрадовСоциалистКоммун]

18:56 and later on )

[@WilliamYoung-f7r]

Johnson Kenneth Thomas Christopher Taylor Robert

[@Rohambili]

That phone blinking is annoying 😵‍💫 Plus the lights reflection on the phone screen as well... thats the brightest point on screen...

[@matthewalbury6799]

I wonder if a different linux live isos with persistence off a ventoy stick is overkill Or resaving an MX linux iso after you set it up off a ventoy stick And plz if anyone knows what im talking about What are the thretes at this level

[@ТоварищКамрадовСоциалистКоммун]

I think that you need a consultant level of expertise like Snowden level )

[@linsqopiring6816]

@@ТоварищКамрадовСоциалистКоммун Imagine having Snowden as your consultant heh. Actually, I remember reading somewhere on his site Rob is available for private consulting. That was a while ago not sure if he still is.

[@edgeiger1514]

Graphene's Vanadium = no usable fingerprint or location!

[@robbraxmantech]

Please watch the full video before you start with conclusions

[@edgeiger1514]

@@robbraxmantech I get what your saying. I run multiple user IDs, one being Google Apps that I don't use for anything important, always at home only, no WiFi, cell data only, it's not my daily driver. Do you think that Google can track me when I use my daily driver ID?

[@Briansunday-zw8wb]

What about DuckDuckGo on a mobile?

[@betaylor5031]

Is DuckDuckGo open Source, please? Thank you...🕊💕

[@karlbesser1696]

So summarized in one sentence. There is no escaping this surveillance mafia. 😎

[@william6223]

Yes there is Why quit Do you want the usurping tyrants to win

[@cjay2]

Perhaps you should watch the video.

[@michaeldawson6309]

I would say there is no way to protect yourself as a general user or anyone who uses Google or Meta services with an Id or a non De googled mobile. Like Rob advises there are ways to hide if you want to, but you have to be very very disciplined and aware of your environment and connected devices. In practice yes its very hard to stay off their radar IMO but not impossible.

[@karlbesser1696]

@@michaeldawson6309 Yes, that's what I actually meant, that it's difficult to follow all the rules Rob listed. Here in Europe things look a little different. I can't take Rob's advice one-to-one.

[@ТоварищКамрадовСоциалистКоммун]

with a mobile it's a more complex to stay incognito these days. Ironically you can go to some African or Asia mobile call center and get a SIM with no ID. I hope they know what they are doing

[@Demy1970]

I can’t use Linux since I game online

[@fishsizzle83]

Wish you spoke English! 😂

[@johndoe-so2ef]

Yeah, because I have no idea what he's saying. It's probably interesting, if you speak the language.

[@cjay2]

Perhaps learn English, and then learn about the subject matter. I understand him fine.

[@michaeldawson6309]

Robs English is perfect just with an accent but we all have accents. Robs communication is excellent. Maybe I am biased because I am English and can understand all our accents including Scottish and Irish spoken very quickly but I find Rob an excellent communicator.

[@linsqopiring6816]

@@michaeldawson6309 He means it is too technical for him. I have to admit I've been following Rob for a long time and it's challenging for me too. But it's also good Rob doesn't over simplify. You gotta put some work into understanding. Rewatch , take notes, ask questions, see his other videos rewatch again etc.

[@fishsizzle83]

To anyone who thinks it's a racist dig or something.. probably are the ones who call everyone racist. You know!? 😆 Beyond that it's an old saying, like 'you're speaking Chinese right now' is all. Weirdos! This guy is light years from me on the subject for which I'd love to understand. So, if anything, it's a compliment! For the non - smooth - brains, thx for Making America well you know.

[@99suspects]

Thanks dude

[@chuckcrizer]

So DuckDuckGo AND a VPN is useless.

[@robbraxmantech]

Just read the solutions. Partial solutions do not solve anything

[@lupaswolfshead9971]

NPV it is as easy as 123 Hi ya_mamma_wak_af