A War That Had Nothing to do with World War Two - WW2 Special

While the Second World War grows ever more destructive, some nations take advantage of the global chaos to settle old disputes. In Peru and Ecuador, long standing territorial disputes turn violent.
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[@WorldWarTwo]

Thanks to Marlon William Londoño for doing the bulk of the research for this episode. He's a grad student in military history and has a particular interest in Latin America so knows his stuff! In so many ways, it is our community who keep TimeGhost going. If you want to be part of this then join the TimeGhost Army on www.patreon.com/timeghosthistory or timeghost.tv . Please let us know what other Bios you'd like to see. And if you have a question about the war you're dying to have answered, submit it for our Q&A series, Out of the Foxholes at: community.timeghost.tv/c/Out-of-the-Foxholes-Qs . Before you comment, read our rules of conduct: community.timeghost.tv/t/rules-of-conduct/4518

[@mizcaesar1804]

Love your videos,keep doin em👍

[@josepetersen7112]

Indy, you look different. Are you doing the drugs again? Lol, you'll never live that one down. I do have a real question though: Can you detail the relation between the RAF and the Fleet Air Arm? My understanding is that the FAA had been essentially neutered by inter service fund wars, but I dont have decent sources on it.

[@victorhassink3255]

My Grandmother lived in the region Peru invaded in the province of El Oro (there is still a lot of gold there and was mainly an old Spanish colonial town with almost no natives), she had to flee with all the family. My great grandparents and her 8 siblings through the thick rainforest for many days to hide in the mountains. Ecuador still has hard feelings about Peru, and the collective memory of the country has never forget what Peru did. A stupid war for a mountainous forest region filed whit wild animals, diseases and some old gold mines.

[@ringleader61]

sadly, because the WW2, their wasn't much the U.S. could do. If their were still in peace time, maybe a more heavy handed U.S. approach could have been done.

[@TheCimbrianBull]

You should cover the Gran Chaco War of 1936 between Bolivia and Paraguay. Now that's an obscure conflict! 😀

[@indianajones4321]

We all know the Ecuadorian-Peruvian War was the whole reason for this channel

[@maximilianolimamoreira5002]

@@MonsieurVenus- how,if the war had nothing to do with world war two,and was a small conflict?

[@ShooterKing]

@@maximilianolimamoreira5002 it's a joke

[@johanngaiusisinwingazuluah2116]

@@maximilianolimamoreira5002 underage?

[@Itsmyface]

@@maximilianolimamoreira5002 y stupid or what?

[@revolucionarionacional623]

@@maximilianolimamoreira5002 virgin?

[@leeboy26]

Me: 'Can we have WW2?' Ecuador and Peru: 'We have WW2 at home' WW2 at home:

[@TheCimbrianBull]

Bruh

[@Ramzi1944]

Lol

[@anthonycorrea3479]

Bruh spell Ecuador right

[@leeboy26]

@@anthonycorrea3479 Stop oppressing me, Peruvian!

[@anthonycorrea3479]

@@leeboy26 funny thing is im both ecuadorian and peruvian

[@Raskolnikov70]

He did it, the madman did it.... We now live in a world where the WWII channel did a special on the Ecuadorian-Peruvian War. Please tell me the Great Emu War special is in the can too!

[@justonemori]

dude that so has to happen

[@Tinderchaff]

And the Football War and the Cod Wars too :)

[@AntonioBarbarian]

Can't forget the Lobster War too.

[@SEAZNDragon]

It will have to be in the Between Two Wars show. Ironically the Emu War has a closer tie with then-current events as the farmers affected by the Emus were World War I vets and they were suffering low crop prices and issues with their farm loans due to the Great Depression.

[@Assassinus2]

SEAZNDragon Trufax that. I would definitely watch a TimeGhost treatment of the Emu War though.

[@Tadicuslegion78]

Ecuador and Peru: We're gonna have a war. But it has nothing to do with current events. Rest of the World: Seriously?

[@comradekenobi6908]

Both: Yes now shut the fuck up

[@carlosjavierpalacios6194]

Argentina be like: fucked it!, let's fight Great Britain in 1982 because yeah, so much for taking some action

[@MandalorV7]

Well one of them could have turned to the axis for help. But that would have probably just invited a host of U.S and Canadian forces to stomp them.

[@jotdoc]

At least they could have the decency to formaly affiliate to oposing sides of the WW2. But I guess none of the two wanted to join nazi team :D

[@averageconsumer0]

world tension at 100% makes easier to declare war

[@christopherjustice6411]

I remember first hearing about this war while reading an Indiana Jones book. Indy is digging in Ecuador and gets captured by the Peruvians.

[@ericcarlson3746]

mmmmm Peruvians!

[@nomobobby]

@@goldenfiberwheat238 I heard in a documentary he was trying to prove his theory of relativity and needed a picture from the lunar eplicise in Russia in summer 1914. And as a German citizen he got himself detained at the start of the war. A separate team that went ahead of him managed to get the pictures he needed though.

[@InfamousKing-bq5gf]

@La Gran Colombia Will Return. Peru is your daddy, keep crying SON.

[@arteson6093]

@La Gran Colombia Will Return. Little sick dummy! Don’t even know history well and has a big confusion in his head! Get treatment or go cry somewhere else !

[@johnericberlin4640]

Plus points for looking up obscure events that happened!

[@totallynotalpharius2283]

@Jonathan Williams " I don't care how much effort goes into it! I want that 30 minute special of Tannu Tuva" - his fans

[@connorllewellyn6289]

@@totallynotalpharius2283 Tana what?

[@hopin8krzys]

Thats really far from obscure

[@totallynotalpharius2283]

@@connorllewellyn6289 it was this odd buffer/ puppet state between the ussr and mongolia . Famous for having the first non hereditary female head of state. They asked to become part of the ussr in 1943 I believe

[@differentboy9697]

Ecuadorian here. The war of 1941 became a national tragedy for decades. An unprepared army ruled by a corrupt president looses almost inmediately and then signs a treaty that took the last part of the amazon river we owned and reduced us to our current size. Even the government, wouldn't last for long and would fall by 1944. The Rio treaty was sort of recognised until 1960 when Velasco Ibarra, the current president, decided to not acknowledge it and claim the lost territory was still our own. It was such a weird measure that no country recognised the claim, not even Peru so it was basically as saying that the house you lost 30 years ago was still yours. I remember that my grandma and my parents kept maps of Ecuador they were taught at school where they still showed that part of the map as if was still on ecuadorian hands and they told me they were taught that Peru stoled that land from us. There were even rumors that the Axis Powers were supporting Peru but that's unproven. We had two more wars with Peru. One in 1981 which basically led to nothing and the last one in 1995 which led three years after to the Act of Brasilia that definitively signed peace for good among our nations. It was sad because we finally recognised the loss of that territory but it was for the best. We already had much worse things to worry by that year. Great video Indy. You should do one day a video about how the continent dealt with the war. Not everyone was so keen on supporting the U.S. and odd as it seems, there were a lot, a lot of nazis here.

[@AliveBoombad]

Fellow Ecuadorian here, just a question, do you believe that Jaime Roldos was killed by the CIA?

[@dariusrinzler8099]

@@AliveBoombad Possibly.

[@differentboy9697]

@@AliveBoombad The whole congress investigation was rushed so I have my doubts. The truth lies on the airplane remains that apparently are still kept in a vault at the congress.

[@justcardboard3449]

@La Gran Colombia Will Return. Estás bien?

[@andresamplonius315]

En realidad esos territorios nunca estuvieron en posesión del Ecuador y su población siempre se identificó con el Perú. Todos los muertos en esos enfrentamientos fueron en vano. Ecuador nunca, por ejemplo, ha mostrado "refugiados" de Tumbes, Jaén o Maynas, porque nunca los hubo

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

Bolivia: I wanna swim Chile: No

[@moosemaimer]

private beach brah, only locals surf

[@luxembourgishempire2826]

Paraguay: why can't we??? 😑😭

[@Gameflyer001]

Well, they can still swim in Titicaca.

[@FranzFridl]

@@Gameflyer001 It's actually very nice

[@Gameflyer001]

@@FranzFridl But very high up. Can imagine it's fairly cold.

[@perfectlyfine1675]

I love how much you've made it clear that it's not related to WW2

[@ericcarlson3746]

b/c people were 'demanding' he talk about it in the regular show, as people will

[@BrezelCeviche]

It's funny, I was taught that Ecuador was the aggressor in school. I did find very suspicious that we defeat them so soundly even though they attacked us "without warning".

[@AnImperialGod]

Brezel Ceviche Right? Lmao

[@oscarberolla9910]

La teoría es que el presidente del Ecuador de esa época, Arroyo del Rio estaba acusado de haber sido elegido fraudulentamente, y para distraer la atención aprovecho el secular conflicto entre nuestros paises para distraer la opinión; obviamente el conflicto se le fue de las manos por la reacción peruana, cansada de la actitud ecuatoriana. Los mismos ecuatorianos lo acusan de no haber enviado la totalidad de su ejercito a combatir contra el Perú y lo mantuvo en Quito protegiendo su precario gobierno. En conclusión a su presidente no le importaba tanto el resultado de esa pequeña guerra como seguir en la silla presidencial.

[@nicolasrosas7353]

@La Gran Colombia Will Return. I do not understand that you want to win saying that, but I tell you that the official map is that of the great Colombia, that is why when Peru won the war they never claimed succumbs

[@arteson6093]

@La Gran Colombia Will Return. What we wanted to keep is Tumbes, Jaén y Maynas and it is ours ! We are mostly satisfied with the limits in the north….Go cry somewhere else!

[@arteson6093]

@La Gran Colombia Will Return. Que parte de mi comentario no entiendes? Acaso Perú reclama Guayaquil y Sucumbíos? Debes ser ignorante!

[@AndreLuis-gw5ox]

Last time I was this early, Bolivia still had access to the sea

[@comradekenobi6908]

Last time was early, they were hunting Piranhas in rivers

[@ericcarlson3746]

6 years earlier; Bolivia losing Chaco War to paraguay

[@pajeirussaurio1405]

Last time i was this early, the peru-bolivian confederation was still a thing

[@eduardogaona8510]

Last time I was this early Gran Colombia was still together.

[@evandaire1449]

Last time I was this early Poland thought Russia was saving them.

[@Michael-vd4qg]

Damn you for that spoiler. Can't believe it took Germany until 1945 to win though.

[@yksisolttu]

Well, Sealion might take a while

[@onekill31]

I have a different forecast in 1945. I believe in epic comeback.

[@ENiceGeo]

@@onekill31 I'm sure the wunderwaffe will play a big role in this.

[@marinazagrai1623]

Michael...right, they were supposed to win forthwith (what 2 weeks or months)!

[@tammyt3434]

Dude, Japan's got this in the bag. Katana make their soldiers bullet proof.

[@MH-tr4kn]

My grandfather, on my mothers side, who is still alive today, lived through this war. His father fought in the war against Peru

[@dongately2817]

Why would he lie about about something like this Jesus el Christo?

[@awarningtothecuriouswerewolves]

Hey, you guys should do the Chaco War (1932-1935); now that's a brutal & forgotten war; its always held a particular fascination for me. Cheers Warren

[@kaztheirrelevant4082]

The first Southamerican war were Tanks were used, Bolivian ineptitude was something proper of Monty Python

[@awarningtothecuriouswerewolves]

@@kaztheirrelevant4082 -- I think it was "a tank was used" -- the whole tank episode had a fascinating backstory, but the whole war was bizarre -- barefoot Paraguayans with automatic weapons & flamethrowers (I think). The whole thing should be better known in the Anglosphere. Cheers, wsj

[@kaztheirrelevant4082]

@@awarningtothecuriouswerewolves Paraguayans are an incredible group of people.

[@awarningtothecuriouswerewolves]

@@kaztheirrelevant4082 -- you got that right -- its one of the few nationalities I'd like to be! Cheers, Warren

[@awarningtothecuriouswerewolves]

@La Gran Colombia Volverá. -- me, I'm from Saskatchewan in Canada & I've never been in South America, but I've always been interested in South American wars for some reason -- although its hard to find information in English about these conflicts. Where are you from? I could guess, but I won't. Cheers, wsj

[@BasedPeter]

“Ooh, helloooo” - Indy Neidell, 2020

[@TheCimbrianBull]

"Hello there!" Obi-Wan Kenobi

[@currahee1782]

@@TheCimbrianBull General Indy!

[@potato88872]

Goodammit guys, i was about to write it

[@thatfobby5455]

0:01 when you click on a oblivion NPC

[@Yukiyak0]

We just need a version with the Oblivion OST

[@comradekenobi6908]

"You thought it was World War 2." "But it was me! Ecuador-Peruvian War!"

[@ddiamond6535]

Indy: *looks at audience* “I don’t know you and I don’t care to know you.”

[@pridefulobserver3807]

top comment plz

[@Lodycau]

Indy: Have you heard of the High Elves?

[@lexingtonbrython1897]

Peru: *beats Ecuador within an inch of its life* USA, Brasil, Argentina: "Stop, stop, he's already dead"

[@marcuskylemarcuskyle222]

Ecuador(slightly lifting his head from the ground): It's nothing, just a flesh wound.

[@edwardcamp3376]

If you don't know.. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4KZqIabnpKBgLc

[@lenini056]

1995: i feel happy to give Peru a payback! From an Ecuadorian.

[@MiercolesNegro]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYSyq355eJ15ba8

[@ScholarHaru]

@@lenini056 the conflict ended in a ceasefire and the territory was recognized as Peruvian so i dont know if its payback

[@Patrick_3751]

I think "Nothing to do with World War II" should be a recurring segment on this channel. It would provide a great chance to explore the more obscure/unknown historical events that got overshadowed by the war. Plus it's just really catchy.

[@hussite7235]

Sounds like Peru's military leadership was loving every second of it...

[@j.c.mgomez2515]

There lucky we Colombians dint get involved, would have been an interesting alternate history.

[@ENiceGeo]

After losing badly to Chile in a previous war they probably wanted to savor what being superior to another country felt like.

[@hussite7235]

@@ENiceGeo I don't doubt it, Peruvian military seemed itching for a fight

[@lenini056]

We Ecuadorians kicked their ass in 1995. What a great payback that was! Lol

[@2x2leax]

@@lenini056 Implying that Cenepa War was won by Ecuador.

[@ronsmith4927]

Indy "This was kind of a fun one" Ecuador "Not really"

[@ComasGhost]

@La Gran Colombia Will Return. Stop man nobody cares about something that happened almost a hundred of years ago, it's just history

[@spikespa5208]

@La Gran Colombia Will Return. Yeah, we read that in your other 5 comments. Enough.

[@CivilWarWeekByWeek]

If it had nothing to do with the world war then why is it in the world, check and mate!

[@GRANOLA77]

Oh shit got eeem

[@cossackhistorian7425]

And why is it a war 😎😎😎

[@MrRenegadeshinobi]

Check mate Lincolnites

[@thenewmayorofcrazytown7392]

Wow not often we see an argument 100% refuted but today we have!

[@chris7372]

"America is now in the war" Wow Indy! Spoilers!!

[@Darwinek]

Yeah, that was quite a disappointing remark.

[@y0Milan]

@@Darwinek ???

[@y0Milan]

@Ordinary Sessel Im not sure american troops ever fought in China? Do you mean American volunteer pilots fighting?

[@y0Milan]

@Ordinary Sessel Okay, but the fact that some airmen were volunteering abroad does not make the US 'in the war'. To take your example of todays Ukraine, do you think the US is in the Ukrainian civil war? The people of Ukraine certainly do not and the people of the world did not think the US was in WW2 until 1941, its as simple as that. The flying Tigers history is well respected, but dont try to tell me that the US was in the war from the get go because it was not. By the time the US entered the war millions of people had already given their lives fighting against Japan and Germany.

[@tuscan9617]

Wow, this was really interesting. I hope you cover more wars that took place during this time period, WW2 seems to overshadow many important wars which were big deals in certain regions.

[@MandalorV7]

Well it’s refreshing that they cover some of the others campaigns. I had no idea about the fighting in the Middle East until this channel covered it.

[@ComasGhost]

Thanks, this video is gonna make me cry, not many people cares like that about history, EVERY history, I am really glad that you have done this video as your Peruvian follower. Y que viva el Perú carajo!

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thank you for watching, and Happy New Year!

[@irishaudia6c750]

1941: La guerra del quarante e uno 2020: La guerra del quarantino

[@Warszawski_Modernizm]

im polish, dont know spanish, still laughed pretty hard xD

[@blastulae]

Spelled "cuarenta" and "cuarentena".

[@sandrosilva9091]

In spanish it's written: guerra del cuarentena y uno

[@nicolasrosas7353]

@La Gran Colombia Will Return. Friend, stop being so resentful with Peru, accept that they lost, I see you in all the comments, you are traumatized with Peru, remember that succumbing was only a Peruvian claim

[@gianniverschueren870]

Oh, hello tie. I'd rate this as a 3/5 for the tie alone by deary me, does it work perfectly with the two-toned waistcoat. Well done, Astrid. 3.5/5

[@gianniverschueren870]

@Taso Aifantis I considered it. Opted for the 3.5 because the main focus for me is the tie, but it was close

[@gianniverschueren870]

@Taso Aifantis Oh man that sound absolutely amazing! Would love to see a finished example once they're done

[@jonbaxter2254]

Literally the entire world: Let's have a war! Two countries in South America: Screw you all, we'll do our own.

[@Crimethoughtfull]

Screw your war! I'll have my own war...with Blackjack, and Hookers! In fact, forget the war! -Bender Bending Rodriguez

[@slushy333]

@La Gran Colombia Will Return. one kilometre seems like enough pay for half of the land lost there, right neighbors?

[@Shinigami4245]

In Peru there is a different idea and at the same time wrong about this war. I am Peruvian and many of my compatriots believe that we defended ourselves against Ecuador and even that territory was lost, which makes no sense at all because we overshadowed two provinces of Ecuador and annexed the territories in dispute. If that war had never occurred, Peru would not have the territories that it currently possesses, that is why the war was won and Ecuadorian territory was won, but Peruvians do not assume that reality and only believe that they defended themselves against a country that did not have nothing to attack us, this way of thinking of my compatriots bothers me a lot because it is an insult to logic and intelligence.

[@Groza.cabrxo30]

Jajajajaja no eres peruano entonces y no sabes de historia

[@SolidLeo1]

As an Ecuadorian I find it hard to believe that you are Peruvian because Peruvians are chauvinistic by race and only Chileans, Bolivians and recently Mexicans understand us on these issues.

[@DiegoRamirez-nw5tv]

7:36 Peru didn't accept the ceasefire on the 26th so it coudn't be broken if it wasn't acepted by both countries in first place. The real ceasefire was at the 31 and Ecuador also broke it attacking panupalli.

[@danmarce]

Don't mind me, just an Ecuadorian passing through. Sadly, here, when you are in school they tell you "See, Peru evil, Colombia evil, we victims".... at least they don't do much of the "you shall hate them" nowadays. Younger people now is pretty chill about this. You can find lots of Peruvian food here in Quito... In Ecuador, every year we used (not sure now) to do a "Jura de la Bandera", that is our version of the "The Pledge of Allegiance" but in a grandiose yearly event. Kids in 12th grade then take a pledge and kiss the flag (video related: kzbin.info/www/bejne/apm8fqx3rct4arM&feature=emb_title ). The kid with the higher grades gets the honor to carry the flag. The kids bellow 12th grade usually just are there as spectators... we even used to march and stuff.. Anyways, as part of the event, foreign kids in 12 grade used to take a small flag of their country and salute the Ecuadorian flag and say "Ecuador, salutes you!!!". (customs might change form city to city, from school to school) Now consider we used to do this event close to the end of February to commemorate the "Batalla of Tarqui" (just another chapter in this conflict). So we started preparing in January. In 1995, in my HS, there was a Peruvian girl, just as the Cenepa War happened. At the height of the conflict, in one rehearsal (all the School was there), she had to take the Peruvian flag and say "Ecuador, Peru salutes you!!!". And she did. Really a brave kid, I still remember that. It takes guts to do it. Sadly she was not there for the real thing. Never knew what happened to her. Edit: about the territorial changes, to be honest is our own fault, but that is a different tale.

[@danmarce]

@CAROGOPRI Well, back then all our problems were supposedly caused by our neighbors, all of them "took territory form us", Colombia Included. But with Colombia there is another issue. This is mostly caused by the guerrillas in Colombia, Ecuador, even being such a small country, got thousands of Colombian refugees, who fled from the "war" there reporting.unhcr.org/node/2543 , note those are legally registered as refugees. so it is common to blame crime and stuff to the Colombians (now, they blame Venezuelans too). You know, the easy way out for any government, blame immigrants, refugees and minorities. Is a shame. Of course Ecuador IS NOT a paradise, we have lots of issues, but since we use the US Dollar as currency... It was common to use the Peru card if there was any problem, the peace in 1998 removed that option and most people now forgets about it (until there is a soccer match between us, they call us "Monos" we call them "Gallinas", funny headlines on some media and we have to win, but I think Peruvians care more about Chile, though)

[@danielr5343]

Excuse me, but 'La Batalla de Tarqui' was a chapter in the wars of independence from Spain. SPAIN! Had nothing to do Peru except it was close, geographically speaking.

[@danmarce]

@@danielr5343 Batalla de Tarqui, 27-FEB-1829. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tarqui

[@danielr5343]

@@danmarce Goddamnit ... you win.

[@trauko1388]

@@danielr5343 Peruvians are fed so much bullshit in their schools it is almost hilarious.

[@themagicrabbit1877]

I had never heard of this war until you mentioned it in a regular video; now you've done a video on it. I think it's safe to say that I'll just watch anything you guys post that has to do with history. I love all your hard work. Thank you, all you wonderful TimeGhost History people!

[@kevinelruler]

I'm Ecuadorian. We also had a war with each other in the 90s and everyone was annoyed by it because it kept interrupting Dragon Ball.

[@federico9481]

‘A war with nothing to do with WW2’ **rolls WW2 intro**

[@al_caponeh6185]

Hi Indy! speaking of this war, my great great uncle from my paternal grandfather's side and from northern Peru, joined the army following the events that led to Peruvian- Ecuatorian war. As far as i know from my grandfather and other relatives who knew him well, he joined in a cavalry division and at the front he was tasked to carry the peruvian flag to conquered territories. Later he was shot in the leg but survived the war. His name was Carlos Seminario Adrianzen aka. Mackilon. Great video and keep the good work! Saludos!

[@HistoryHustle]

So awesome you guys covered this. This channel keeps amazing me.

[@BenGrem917]

Love the content, love the team, and Indy, serious point; I LOVE the effort taken on pronunciations of the relevant languages. Sounds great! TimeGhost is the best damn channel on KZbin. Thank you for all your hard work. You're doing a great thing, the entire team!

[@jzl4646]

My parents are Peruvian, and still Ecuador is the butt of almost all of my Dad's jokes. As a kid, if I misbehaved, he would threaten to send me to Ecuador haha

[@kaztheirrelevant4082]

Same with Chile, Peru was the butt of most of our jokes alongside Bolivia, now we joke about Venezuelans and Haitians. Times change.

[@velcranoxofficials9970]

*come to brazil*

[@nicovinas]

You would have been better off. You could earn some dollars.

[@TheCdr19]

This is the definition of spitting in the air and your spit hitting you in the face. Ecuador is a far better place to live in than Peru, you can ask all the Peruvians in Quito.

[@mmakilla9390]

@@TheCdr19 Peru is your daddy

[@zhubajie6940]

I remember the first time I used my passport was on a trip to the Galapagos during The Cenepa War (in January and February 1995). I sure was nervous coming into Quito with lots of military guns flashing at the airport and never having gone through customs before. It all turned out to be a great trip and the war lasted only until February 28th just over a month.

[@sebastianlopez8552]

That was not the Cenepa War that was in the 80s....this shorter encounter in 1995 was the Falso Paquisha

[@nestorvargas2399]

US: good job guys, peace is restored Peru: hold my pen

[@unsimpleurrista1183]

@La Gran Colombia Will Return. se nota que no eres de Perú

[@overlord165]

I'm glad you guys touched on this a bit more other than the quick mention in some previous episode. I personally know nothing of this war.

[@joseilturralde]

Here in Ecuador until 1998 ( the final peace agreement), made our own maps with the peruvian territory as conflict zone. All around the World, the maps gave Peru that territory. Ecuador after this agreement, won a 1 km of territory.

[@DiegoRamirez-nw5tv]

without sovereignty

[@octoberviberations233]

It’s funny really. When you search up the maps during the time before the war of 41, and 1998 (to an extent) it shows Ecuador having the territory by other countries maps. Or it shows the border dispute

[@victorhassink3255]

My Grandmother lived in the region Peru invaded in the province of El Oro (there is still a lot of gold there and was mainly an old Spanish colonial town with almost no natives), she had to flee with all the family. My great grandparents and her 8 siblings through the thick rainforest for many days to hide in the mountains. Ecuador still has hard feelings about Peru, and the collective memory of the country has never forget what Peru did. A stupid war for a mountainous forest region filed whit wild animals, diseases and some old gold mines.

[@differentboy9697]

It's worse to think that the peruvians still think we were the agressors and not them. But, anyway, peace is more important.

[@velcranoxofficials9970]

@@differentboy9697 An ecuadorian in the comment section said that the war was their fault and that his people usually dont give up the past

[@yoitsrami]

Ecuador: “Stop plz” Peru: “Git gud”

[@iamnolegend483]

Excellent! As requested by others as I recall. I do enjoy the content you provide. I could listen to the stuff all day long.

[@hoodoo2001]

The picture of the tank is the Tanque 39 which was indeed used during the war. The Peruvians bought 24 from the Czechs which based the design on it's TNH tank....the tanks were highly successful in Peru, rugged and agile. At least one is still on display in Peru. The Germans confiscated similar tanks when it incorporated Czechoslovakia into the Reich and they represented about 1/4 of German armor against France (including Rommel's Division in France) and also were used in significant numbers during Barbarossa. Of course these reliable tanks were used throughout the rest of the war as a turretless tank destroyer called the Hetzer.

[@robertguttman1487]

I was aware the ongoing border dispute between Ecuador and Peru, but I did not learn about from books, but from first-hand experience. At the beginning of 1977 I was on an officer on old cargo ship operated by the U.S. NAvy's Military Sealift Command that was assigned to transport a load of ammunition from the U.S. to Ecuador and Peru. After we arrived at Guayaquil the Ecuadorian Army Officers with whom we dealt were perfectly satisfied with the cargo we had brought them, but became very upset when they learned that the remainder of our cargo of munitions was destined for Peru. Later, when we arrived at the port of Ancon, in Peru, the Peruvian officials reacted in a similar fashion. The story we were told (and I must point out that I cannot positively vouch for how much truth there was in it) was that somebody had discovered oil somewhere up in the Oriente, the remote eastern portion of Ecuador that consisted mainly of impenetrable jungle, and which was apparently still in dispute between the two countries. Apparently, neither country had bothered to make much of an issue out of which country actually owned that particular region until 1976, when the real estate suddenly became worth something. Meanwhile, we found ourselves in the embarrassing position of supplying ammunition to two countries which were preparing to go to war against each other. I do not believe that the 1977 dispute ever actually erupted into open warfare but, as the video notes, the border dispute between Ecuador and Peru was not finally resolved for good until sixteen years later, in1993. Incidentally, that was not the only occasion when our brilliant State Department placed our ship in such a situation. A few months later we made a similar voyage transporting ammunition to Turkey and Greece, and those two countries weren't too happy about what we were doing, either.

[@chrisschultz8598]

Good show! I didn't even know about the Peruvian-Ecuadorian border war until right now. It's always fun to learn something new.

[@gunman47]

Oh wow, wasn't really expecting this. Cool!

[@joluoto]

Since unrelated South American conflicts are a thing now, how about an episode on the Chaco War? Though maybe on the Time Ghost channel since it would be contemporary with Between Two Wars.

[@sergiomalatesta6858]

I remember at the time, 1998, the final peace agreement was pretty much seen as an embarrassment for both Peruvians and later Ecuadorians. Back in 1995 there was a major skirmish in Tiwinza. This time around, Ecuador swept Peru's behind. Thanks for sharing such an interesting story for both our nation's Indy and the team.

[@velcranoxofficials9970]

Wait Ecuador sees getting one kilometer of land as victory when they got literally half their country taken?

[@ComasGhost]

@@velcranoxofficials9970 Yes, and they cheer themselves for that :|

[@arteson6093]

@@velcranoxofficials9970 Fuji gave it 1km with no sovereignty as a token so they can bury their dead . Is so they have something to save face. It had the effect he was looking for …

[@2896julio]

Fue Perú quien barrio a los ecuatorianos

[@hapooterres6585]

@@ComasGhost Do you think, that they cheer themselves for that?

[@luord2940]

Two of my great-grandparents fought in this war,one of them defending his homeland Iquitos from being annexed by Ecuador.

[@robertinrinrin]

One of my favorite vids from you guys. Your channel is always evolving. It feels like a refreshing intermission for this excellent WW2 Documentary.

[@tommy-er6hh]

Thank you for covering this. You ARE very comprehensive!

[@comet1970]

It would have been a nice touch to have a current map of Eucador somewhere at the end, which doesn't look like the one from 1936.

[@Alex-lf5sh]

I'm from Peru and I'm glad someone finally talks about this war xd. Here we have the rumor that Adolf congratulated our president for winning the war.

[@Inoffensive_name]

Wouldn't surprise me. An aggressor congratulating another aggressor.

[@Altrantis]

Peuvians only seem mildly aware of this war, for some reason they remember the 1879 war a lot more. As opposed to Ecuadorians.

[@01cthompson]

He stopped by on his way to hide in Antarctica. 😃

[@DETTO33]

Seems like Peru got som kind of revenge for the buttfuck Chile gave to Peru.

[@luisurdiales3091]

@@Altrantis Well, the loser tends to resent it's defeat. That's pretty much it.

[@MaxPinedoParedes]

Muchas gracias por este video, Indy. En mi familia, mi abuelo peleó en esa guerra por el lado peruano. My grandpa fought in that war for the peruvian side.

[@illjan]

Man this was a great episode. You should cover the second world War. I know it's a big subject but I think you could do a good job making ww2 content. Maybe you work your way through it kind of chronologically or something like that

[@podemosurss8316]

0:50 Indy, when there are "rr" in Spanish, that means you mean to give a harder sound, like when you imitate a machinegun firing...

[@FxTR22]

Realy cool idea to host this additional show, never heard of that war. Love to know more like this about history!!

[@andrezuritaserrano9867]

As an Ecuadorian I can say that the weakness and corrupt ineffectiveness of our leaders have always been the main factor of our defeat in war.

[@DSMCCrix]

Exactamente,basta rememorar vergonzosamente como a principios de agosto del 41 solo en Quito casi 15 mil hombres pedían las armas para ir a la conflagración, pero la mariueca cúpula de Arroyo del rio no movio ni un dedo para armar a los patriotas, pero como sabemos armamentística, geográfica y sistemáticamente era ya muy tarde para organizar algo medianamente decente para repeler el avance peruano, pero sin duda las mejores épocas militares que Ecuador tuvo fueron en 1910 y 1995.

[@glovesflared]

Finally a channel that is willing to take on the tough, rarely talked about topics of the era! One of the most important things going on that year for sure!

[@TheSuperhoden]

Some people sniff coke to get high, I sniff history to get my stuff going.

[@kglguy]

History is the superior choice.

[@TheCimbrianBull]

History. Not even once.

[@CarrotConsumer]

I sniff the history of coke.

[@audioaddict5279]

In the future, there will be people who are obsessed with the history of Mexicos current coke war. My brain feels like a fried egg just thinking about it!

[@therealsuperkyl3]

Wanna sniff together sometime?

[@AndrewSmithThomas]

Thank you, that was great to hear about something I had absolutely no idea about, different from the usual, well known WW2 topics.

[@jamesh8782]

Can we have an episode of "Nothing to do with World War II: More Cats on Vacuums"?

[@ravuste]

As an Ecuadorian I feel happy you covered one of the most important moments in my country's history. Most Ecuadorian boomers still resent Peru and it's a topic that get's most of the time excluded from history class. Muchas Indy! Keep on the good work.

[@Judokast36]

I hope you guys do more of these since history of that time is still interesting even if not DIRECTLY related to the war itself.

[@andreask.9413]

Nice vid. One piece of information was missing though IMHO: The whole reason for the war was neither the jungle nor the people living therein, but access to the Amazonas river as a trade route to the Atlantic ocean. Otherwise great work as always.

[@WombatSteve]

Ecuador: I exist. Peru: No.

[@trauko1388]

They noticed in 1995 when we kicked their ass...

[@callaolacra]

@@trauko1388 en realidad no xd tal vez en aire pero en tierra nosotros les ganamos ademas no los destruimos por que no quisimos asi que mejor shhh

[@trauko1388]

@@callaolacra JAJAJA!!!! Pero si el chino tuvo que rogarle a los observadores que no lo pusiera en vergüenza publicando las posiciones que ambos ejércitos ocupaban QUE ERA LO QUE SOLICITABA EL ECUADOR!!! 🤣🤣🤣 "Ecuador had managed to infiltrate a unit into the Peruvian rear, capable of attacking their primary base at PV1 or cutting their main supply route into the upper Cenepa. It was clear that the Ecuadorean unit had to be removed at the start to permit future Peruvian withdrawals. ■ Two contested bases, Tiwintza and Base Sur, were invested with a degree of emotional significance that far outweighed their political or military significance. Both sides claimed to have taken them. Ecuador insisted that MOMEP publicly take physical possession of their version of these bases to confirm its battlefield gains. MOMEP refused to do any such thing. ■ Peru’s national elections were scheduled for April 9. President Fujimori had announced the taking of Tiwintza and any action by MOMEP that tended to prove or disprove that statement would complicate Peru’s domestic political situation." apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a528935.pdf Da risa como ustedes viven de las mentiras con las que les lavan el cerebro! Les ven la cara de pendejos... 😉

[@dariusrinzler8099]

@@callaolacra Sus bajas y su ataque fallido a Tiwintza lo dice todo.

[@ScholarHaru]

@@trauko1388 lmao when u call getting an acre of land a victory

[@thenedain]

This might have been my favorite intro for anything on this channel. I nearly choked on my drink.

[@peruviangames9450]

Eloy Ureta moment : - Anexión *_*

[@erikh8]

I was thinking about this conflict last week and doing research and POOOF this new episode pops up

[@milanesi6725]

It's very nice to see someone talking about South America at the time, I can't wait to watch them talking about the Brazilian participation in WW2.

[@emmano6340]

F.E.B ! ❤️

[@JohnnyLouisXIX]

A cobra vai fuma

[@smokey3031]

Always great to see them having fun with this sort of stuff. Keep up the great videos guys!

[@kingolie8801]

It’s finally here forget ww2

[@mininoble2253]

It really isn't fair to say that the Ecuadorians had no equipment, it's just that they put all of their money into the infantry. They had modern light and heavy machine guns (by the old definition) imported from the Czechs. The lack of any real sort of modern artillery you are right on the money though, but they did have some Italian ww1 era infantry guns, and some field guns from the first years of the 20th century. They also had some fully Italianized troops that were kept near the capital along with the best units of the army, these men had been kept there because the President was deeply concerned about the possibility of a coup or popular uprising, these fears were a major part of what had prevented Ecuador from adequately preparing in the first place. Ironically, while this was the reason the war was as quick and terrible of a failure as it was, the fear of fighting these units in the Andes was a major factor in Peruvian high command's decision to stop the war when they did, and not press any further. Now why was the government so afraid and what choices did they make as a result that doomed their war effort? The government was deeply unpopular with the public and the military had a long history of playing Kingmakers, as a result, the army hadn't been given proper funding for years, and that is why they didn't mobilize until the third week of the war. Mobilize anyone outside of the standing army I should say. That is also why even though they had a large stockpile of rifles that they could have handed out in a wider mobilization, to at least get a wave of conscripts into the field to do something to slow down the Peruvians, especially during the final week when everything went to hell at a minimum, they didn't. They were afraid these armed civilians or even the police they armed in week 3 would march on the capitol and overthrow the President, and that had been for a long time their number one concern. Now I should also say that Ecuadorians were not in nearly as bad a position during the first three weeks of the war that by any right they should have been or as they are presented in the video. The Ecuadorians had managed a successful mobile defense during the first Peruvian offensive and had tricked the Peruvians into thinking there were a lot more men at the front then there really were. They also took ground in a few places like Noblecilla Island. However, all this did was buy time, and time the Ecuadorian government wasn't effectively able to use, so when the ruse was up and the Peruvians came in a few weeks later, now prepared to deal with a larger force, it all fell apart fairly quickly.

[@markandy2195]

Indy! You need a " Chair of infinite disinterest " for this segment.💺💺💺💺

[@residentgeardo]

Those shadows the model planes cast on the map look really great!

[@Thranduil82]

USA: Congratulations on Peace Peru: Si, si you great gringo much power.

[@rodolfopinillos6680]

I love your videos, Indy, and as a Peruvian I loved this episode. But just a little clarification, Loreto is not a town, it's a region that borders Ecuador, Brazil and Colombia

[@ΚοινωνικόςΟρθολογιστής]

Indy. Please convince Sabaton to make a song about this war. And the title should be like this : "Forgotten war".

[@fliegeroh]

Another South American war took place from 1932-35 between Bolivia and Paraguay. It was called the Chaco War and was a very bloody affair fought by two of SA's poorest nations over oil rights.

[@SolidLeo1]

The two without sea quarreled.

[@cwovictor3281]

To hell with Pearl Harbor, this is what the channel ought to cover minute by minute.

[@El_Presidente_5337]

The entire thing in a single livestream

[@TheCimbrianBull]

Heck yes! 😀

[@jamesstevenson7725]

Cwovictor. Your right. Screw pearl harbor

[@kueller917]

Honestly it would be great entertainment to see minute-by-minute (or day-by-day?) coverage and seeing Indy constantly interrupted by Peru going on the offensive again.

[@theklorg305]

Been talking about this forever (and even wrote an article about it off internet land). Glad you guys found it too :).

[@santiagoarestegui]

As a Peruvian I feel myelf a bit uneasy about the narrative of this chapter of Ecuadorian - Peruvian border issue. To say the least, it is not entirely true that we were the big and bad abusive neighbour of the Ecuadorians. The real border issue was the Ecuadorian aspiration to become an Amazonian region. Their claim was based upon the argument of Quito as a departure site of the expedition that discovered the Amazon river in 1542. That is not true. None of the countries existed in the mid XVIth century and the expedition began in Cusco. We indeed won the war (one of the few times we actually won a war) but were very generous with them. Ecuador became an oil producer thanks to the territory they obtained from the Treaty of 1942.

[@AnImperialGod]

Hector Lopez If you knew there was in oil in those provinces you would have taken it! It’s not because of generosity but rather ignorance. Oil in those provinces were found decades later.

[@octoberviberations233]

I feel like we should both know that as people under these two governments. Both governments would want the people to beleive the other was the aggressor. Nobody wants to be the bad guy In truth the real truth of who was the bad guy of this war is lost in deep propaganda Either way the war is over. I feel people sympathize with Ecuador because of how small it was compared to the territories they claimed.

[@spetsnatzlegion3366]

Thank you for quenching the firestorm of comments on your next few videos on the lines of ‘but what about the Ecuadorean Peruvian war’ by preemptively making a video on the topic

[@Southsideindy]

My pleasure!

[@PhillyPhanVinny]

When are you guys going to start to cover the small arms of WW2 like you did on the old Great War channel? You guys should ask Forgotten Weapons/InRange or C&Rsenal to help you cover them again I think. The small arms of WW2 are way more diverse and interesting I think then the small arms of WW1 were. Many countries go down many different routes for their small arms in WW2.

[@bakomusha]

They had plans with Ian, but they fell threw.

[@edwardblair4096]

I saw a comment in the recent Soviet Tank video that said that the KZbin channel they collaborated with for the Great War arms is still working their way through all of the arms of that era and working chronologically forward. It will be a few years before that channel gets to WW2, and this channel is not equipped to try to do the in depth comprehensively researched job that such an undertaking needs and deserves.

[@PhillyPhanVinny]

@@bakomusha Yeah I hope they redo the plans now that they have more people to work with.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

Beginning is like small fights and skirmishes escalating really fast as both sides (or at least Peruvians) have supporting troops and air power available and small skirmishes grow into large fighting. Really weird thing.

[@Colinpark]

I traveled to the Rio Amazon in 80's when the war was still on, flying in TAME airlines which was the Ecuadorian Air Force flying camouflaged and marked, making me a legit target. There were some clashes and when I arrived in Peru, their newspapers were claiming Ecuador bombed an outpost, but I saw the entire Ecuadorian air force bomber fleet in pieces a few days before, so I expect it was a lie. Also travelling on the Amazon from Ecuador and Peru, you had to go downstream to the bottom of the island to get an Ecuadorian exit stamp and then back upriver to the top of the island to get your Peruvian entrance stamp and then proceed downriver again. I found dealing with the Ecuadorian army and police, much more pleasant than the Peruvian ones. They were all corrupt, but the Ecuadorians were much more laid back and relaxed about it, the Peruvians were pretty tightly wound up and nasty.

[@linnharamis1496]

Thanks for the fascinating review of this little known chapter of history👍

[@natarbee]

As an ecaudorian thank you.

[@rodrigoalonsoponcemarquez1453]

Indie, few years before the start of WWII Bolivia and Paraguay engaged in a bloody war. It was the first war in South America that involved new equipment and tactis (Such as tanks and aviation) in its operations, and even german officers directed operations in the bolivian side, Ernst Röhm was actually attached in the bolivan army some years before the start of this conflict, it would be nice if the channel cover La Guerra del Chaco, I'm sure you would get incredible information in the origin of this war, its development, conclusion and effects. Regards!

[@iVETAnsolini]

I really want to have a pint with Indy and the team sometime. If you all ever make it to the U.S., please let me know. Central U.S.

[@franciscomoutinho1]

Equador and Peru be like: one- Wanna fight? other- Everyone else is doing it, so why not?

[@Darwinek]

Hope the Ecuadorian Army upgraded their 19th century artillery by now. Also a pro tip for Ecuadorians and Germans alike: if you're using trucks in a war, make sure you put fuel in them.

[@andrewdale3695]

Ecuador & Peru are always going to war, and Ecuador always loses. I've spent a lot of time in both countries, and an Ecuadorean historian told me this. He said they don't take it seriously enough

[@DanielAspajo9930]

Thank you so much for covering this I will share it in all my social media

[@MegaTang1234]

Peru really wanted to ensure that is was clear they won this war.

[@neilwilson5785]

The tanks are Skoda 38 on Wikipedia, but Tank 35 at 2:20 and 4:38. Im think Wiki has it wrong a bit.

[@robinbeckford]

So, if I followed that correctly, Ecuador ended up pretty much where it started?

[@DiegoRamirez-nw5tv]

Yeah, their defacto territory was almost the same at the end.