A WoW Player's First Impressions of Ashes of Creation...

[@tylergutierrez9661]

I hope they never listen to anyone who says leveling needs to be faster. The journey starts at 1, not at 60.

[@markhanson2660]

9 days played time to hit max seems a little much.

[@tylergutierrez9661]

@@markhanson2660 9-10 days based on what? Do you think Vanilla wow started off taking the 4-5 days it takes now? I remember playing for months as a teenager and still not being 60. We have years of the best methods, and routes to be efficient, we haven't even scratched the iceberg here and people are already complaining and I say they should absolutely ignore them because while it takes 9-10 days now after the internet minmaxes this shit to death it will be 3 days played, mark my words.

[@camerondavis7668]

Id make it even longer imo​@@markhanson2660

[@suave2111]

@@markhanson2660 Why? What do you need at max level?

[@VintageNarwhal]

@@markhanson2660it’s about the journey, not how it ends.

[@FrederickWebster-g1h]

Honestly, all the “downsides” you pointed out are all the reasons people will play this game

[@VintageNarwhal]

Tbh that was my thought as well.

[@TheNEPTY]

Agreed

[@davidp2391]

All 17 of them

[@emsies666]

Unfortunately the reality is, mmo lovers have aged and do not have the same luxury of time as they once have. If they release it as it is now with these “downsides” people may love it at the start but will slowly realise that it’s not year 2004 anymore.

[@kevinkenney-m5b]

lol yes. They are going to fix quest markers..xp from quests etc.. this game still Alpha…. And taking a long time to level is exactly what I’m hoping for. I absolutely hate MMO games where I hit max level in a week. I’m quite sure they hear the feedback on leveling.. And Ashes is not EverQuest.

[@CHEFPKR]

Please please don't let them speed up leveling. I want a modern day take on EQ1. I want leveling to matter and be part of the journey. We have enough speed run to cap MMOs.

[@mazmundie]

They won't don't worry

[@monozuki]

The Journey: kill 3500 goblins.

[@ZapatosVibes]

Steven stated the goal was about 10 days /played to level cap (50). That's about as long as it took most people in 2004 vanilla to level. Feels just right imo. There's a reason vanilla was incredibly popular even in 2019, and that's a big part of it imo.

[@monozuki]

@@ZapatosVibes All jokes aside, that is fine as long as there is a strong community to support this. The biggest hurdle (imo ofc) this game will face (and, from the posts and opinions I've seen is already facing) is toxicity. Be it griefing through ganking, attitude towards female players (i.e. other than it being no different than towards other players, can't believe this is still a thing that needs droning about in 20-bloody-24) etc. Things like these can and very much *will* yield exponentially diminishing returns on player retention, if not addressed now, when the "mood" of the game is being set. I am aware Stephen has already committed to addressing this in his comments, but it still remains to be seen how effective he is.

[@Viralvicky0666]

​@monozuki agree with all of this. Ran a guild in cata, officer during classic first launch and ran another guild during SoD for long while and it's absolutely nuts how many people i had to talk to about not being an absolute creep towards any of my women guildies.

[@glennchapel9144]

Steven has said from 1-50 which will be max cap will take roughly 225 hours. And will look to keep that grind and not change it

[@pvprangergod4024]

that just destroys any chance of pvp because they will get stomped for the first 225 hours. and then i bet you have to grind another 1000 hours to get the best gear. garbage copy paste generic mmo slop. probably a scam too.

[@Razzlion]

@@pvprangergod4024 Yeah, for sure. Go back to grinding in clash of clans and roblox. feels more your speed.

[@pvprangergod4024]

@@Razzlion ashes grinding is more braindead than roblox games...

[@AuxxiliaryATC]

@@pvprangergod4024 gre8 b8 m8

[@pvprangergod4024]

@@kurrupt7027 ashes grinding is just farming mobs, literally designed for braindead people

[@Ariades74]

The gen Z TikTok gamers that needs instant gratification gonna hate this game. It's for us old folks that enjoyed games like daoc and asherons call.

[@redundantpancake]

This is such a weird comment. No matter what game I play there's always a good mix of younger and older people. Look at vanilla Wow and how many fresh (young and old) players that got. Not to mention a lot of 30-40 year olds on TikTok too. Stop stereotyping people and putting them in groups and keep and open mind.

[@victorbuster1]

atleast tell me that you need to visit another city to make crafting work

[@jamesbyrd3740]

All 4 of you eh?

[@TheHighborn]

It is for us older folks... Who have the income to pay the sub. At least that's why I hope

[@Pallywagz]

You make very good points. I would just like to add that there is an entire community of MMO players that dislike the solo/easily accessible content. Especially communities outside of the US. I would also like to add that there are players that wouldnt mind the grind since the game has absolutely no p2w. Remember when you got your first green weapon in WoW? You felt like a god for a short amount of time. That feeling is back, and this game is in a very bare alpha state. Bringing the MMO back to MMORPG may not be exciting for new MMO players, especially those that love solo content in WoW.

[@Kiko-n2g]

Facts

[@kayceesandiego]

The reason the crafting is so complex is because you are not supposed to be able to craft a weapon or piece of armor by yourself. Its called an economy. You gather, or process, or craft what you can using components crafted by others that you buy or trade, and then sell or trade the products you produce to others. That's the way it works in real life. It is more challenging, but that is also its appeal. The same can be said of the node progression system. The citizens of a node work together to gather and produce the resourses needed to build the new buildings in their city.This gives them access to higher level crafting stations. Unlike Wow you have to work with this stations, they are not provided for free. All in all I find it satisfying

[@leeeneas8529]

I kinda like the slower leveling approach

[@stockbull614]

I love the grind! Cant wait to jump in to Ashes of Creation!

[@brimstonevalar6053]

same man one day left :D

[@kokorochin01]

This game is niche and needs to stay that way, that's the whole point and beauty of it.

[@mallusdarkblade]

Niche games have a tough time surviving. You need players to make an MMO work...

[@thesupreme8062]

no, it cant be niche, with the amount of money they poured into it, it would die.

[@77rockcity]

The thing is, it's casuals that keep a game alive. I don't disagree and hope they realize their aim.

[@Sub-zp2gs]

@@77rockcity from that PoV, when you play new MMOs and are casual, you get almost maxed level etc, but everyone else is on the end game and has left you behind, here it takes everyone a long time to level, and classes are fun so leveling those will happen, more in line with casual people

[@Razzlion]

@@thesupreme8062 POE is niche, its doing beyond fantastic. Niche does not mean its bad. it just means that instead of 200million possible players you have 100 million possible players. and with a monthly sub they have constant income and don't have to rely on a cash shop. So i have no worries about the game surviving long term especially if they keep the leveling slower and focus on the community aspects of the game.

[@elxaime]

I hope they keep to their vision of slow leveling, limited fast travel and encouraging interaction (grouping, trading for what you need). There are tons of games out there already for people that like to race to cap and play solo.

[@Stratisphear]

this game is absolutely incredible. This will be bigger than classic. Mark my words!

[@AszkalonOfVerra]

*E.X.A.C.T.L.Y.* and i can't wait to basically to LITERALLY - play a more epic WoW Vanilla. 😁

[@Ferog51]

and throne and liberty xD dying already

[@IbanryuGG]

leveling is part of the experience, if you don't like how long it takes, then the game isn't for you, go play a raid simulator

[@TallTaleGael]

For reals. People are so dumb these days. This games time to lvl is perfect.

[@IbanryuGG]

@@TallTaleGael i'd honestly accept a slower leveling rate if it meant artisan classes could keep pace / really it's more the nodes.... i think that's just an alpha 2 problem though.

[@dokkal]

Runescape is a prime example of people enjoy leveling

[@Ferog51]

thats why i love gw2

[@Kiko-n2g]

Hey Meta when you get arround to it can you make a video in support of the rest of us bcus this one is heavily favoring the " please make it easier" crowd. Steven made it clear he is making a game the way HE used to enjoy playing, risk vs reward, EARN yours, the old school way which is also what MANY of us have supported his vision of a game the way he layed it out bcus we also enjoy that style. To take part in Ashes you should already know that from day 1, this game was never intended to be for "everyone". And please dont push for that. There are already games where you port to the dungeon front door leaving the map empty feeling, games with 90 dollar auction houses that go everywhere you go, games with max level boost for a small fee, games with reflective vest yellow icons over the path you "must" take to progress, games with greens rewarded every other quest turn in. Alot of this is exactly what ruined my WOW experience which is why i still hang in there in classic era. Trying to make sonething for " everyone" just ensures it belongs to no one, instead let it be and allow this group to have its home and the rest can try it and go right back to retail where you get everything your advocating for.

[@mcbrummel2]

No handholding, + , slow passed leveling +, grp content, + not wanne cater to wow base, + as old mmo player (since 1998) sounds like music ty my ears.

[@thaidang629]

if game take that long to lvl and too much group content it will become a niche and the game will die

[@Kiko-n2g]

Just like wow classic era is still alive? Cmon bro be real, it might die for you but that dont speak for the rest of us.

[@thaidang629]

@@Kiko-n2g how many of you actually?

[@Kiko-n2g]

@@mcbrummel2 just barely enuf of us to get the ball rolling on games like ultima, everquest, wow, and the rest that kicked off arround that time. So however many that is. I just dont get how a game developer can say he is making a game that consists of A,B, and C and haters show up QQing about how he should make the game revolve arround D,E,and F. The sense of entitlement to walk up in here and act like it was or should be designed for you...not just you but the guy that made this video too.

[@payne6454]

​@@thaidang629 Do you know what happens when i reach max level quickly in MMO's? I quit them. It's all about the journey.

[@azliarshad4846]

I personally quit wow because leveling system got haywired over the years , I used to love my characters because I spent the time to level , today as I start working, I have money , I just boost level.. so pls , don’t ever use wow to compare. Today wow still have a lot people playing, most probably like me , can’t find anything better yet. Just praying AOC can bring us back to the old wow adventure/feeling.

[@PeterPanbe]

Nooooo! They should not make it easier to detect where to find quests, where to go, etc!!! This is their key strength. You never played Ultima Online I think.

[@aeroblizz1987]

The questing is placeholder and is not the focus of this phase. But I agree :)

[@Tehniqq]

I appreciate you took your time and money to try the game. And some of the feedback is very good. However, I don't think you took the time to understand crafting. You point out that you can only lvl mining on basalt, which is not true; and you say you can't refine uncommon zinc, altho there is clearly a quality dropdown in the refining interface. I would agree if you provide feedback after taking the time to understand the systems, especially as a content creator. But as it stands now, it feels kind of lazy regarding the crafting analysis.

[@ΣτάχτεςκαιΘρύψαλα]

In a recent interview Pirate Softare made with the head developer on AoC they said quest will be added on the game in the next phase. This is a combat and network test phase

[@reyflp]

as a kickstarter alpha 2, beta1 beta 2 holder.... im so glad i payed 150 for all that 7 years ago haha

[@GermanBoy00]

and why are you glad?

[@Adroyo]

Seven years ago haha. Still looks like it has another ten years to go.

[@henrifortier8621]

@@Adroyo did you play it ?

[@ericdevarney4089]

you missed the drop down that would allow you to process that higher rarity Zinc. You left it at Common, next time click on the drop down to pick the rarity you wish to process

[@GermanBoy00]

Everyone complaining about the quests and professions and keep ignoring Steven who stated it out multiple times that this Alpha 2 phase isn't about questing and professions but rather stability tests and combat experience for players.

[@In5anityDefined]

@MetaGoblin In PirateSoftware's interview with Steven Sharif, at the [1 hour, 13 minutes, 40 seconds] mark Steven goes over the design philosophy of Ashes leveling systems. Definitely looking forward to your follow up videos when we go into Phase 2 and whether or not Intrepid hits their goal. Additionally, one of the complaints often heard during the build up for A2 from Steven was that starter zones in other MMO's are often empty wastelands because all the players are in the end game zones. I suspect the resource distribution is designed the way it is in conjunction to your point on "coming back to the starting area after getting some levels". I would say it needs some fine tuning for sure, (I would kill for copper right now) but if the goal is to make the starting zones more viable I'm all for it. Nobody likes jumping into an MMO and being alone. That said, great vid man, not a WoW player but I liked you takes overall.

[@coadamolx0100]

starting zones will also get higher level stuff like dungeons and other things the more the world grows

[@liquidwater2]

regarding crafting with different rarities, there is a drop down in the top right of the menu to switch the rarity you are trying to craft. The higher rarity fragments for example can be used for the same or lower level recipes down the line. I did this to get a heroic axe, using heroic basalt, heroic oak timber, and heroic copper fragments.

[@DarkZeroUnit]

yeah my biggest gripe was the lack of starting ores to craft stuff. however someone said riverlands is for trees and wildlife while the desert is more for ores. also copper is one the right side of the map in the 11 to 14 section

[@zaccy21]

Its a game for unemployed/retired boomers with endless time to waste and immerse themselves into.

[@brimstonevalar6053]

I played this game for the last month and love it, got my tank full heroic gear crafted by myself and I enjoy it...Riverlands is a nice zone and I feel inmersed, glad there is no fast travel it feels like going on adventure each time I have to travel around, I like the slow lvling, game has potential hope they can deliver.

[@TimDoe-v7e]

you can mine copper, granite, zinc, ruby AND basalt at level one... not just basalt... and basalt is plentiful if you look for it. Also, as Steven has stated many times, this is a true alpha and phase one is looking to test server stability (future testing will focus on sytems and polish. thus far things have been pretty awesome, the Nov. 8th weekend was pretty damn smooth.

[@nacari0]

leveling is the journey, smell the flowers along the way

[@SuperBlackatude]

Big thing people arent going to understand and will need to get used to is what exactly Ashes gameplay loops are. Its not a rush max level so you can actually play the game type of game, even though it does have content that incentivizes getting to max level. Its a do anything you want within reason 2nd life type of game and they give you a bunch of potential things to do. Just to list a few thing that come to mind: Want to become a grandmaster artisan? Gather, process or craft gear. Want to be with a large guild going for the "big shot" content like owning a castle and ultimately being able to influence an entire section with multiple nodes of the 1200 square kilometer world? Focus leveling and getting gear while finding the best guilds around. Want to create more RPlike content such as being a caravan guard, mercenary, merchant ect? Find or make a group or simply market yourself and do exactly that. Want to be a bandit or pirate? Either solo or in a group use spies, snitches or luck to find caravans to raid on the roads or open seas, or just rob people you come across although there are heavy consequences for murder where they dont fight back. Want to own your own plot of land, house, apartment or room in an inn and just exist in the world potentially as a citizen of a node? Go ahead. Want to fight for justice against all the corrupted evil doers? Become a bounty hunter and gain the ability to literally hunt down bad guys while getting rewarded for doing so The only downside to sandbox style games is that you have to create your own content/goals since you arent just following a scripted storyline, but with Ashes even simply being a citizen in a node gives constant content. If they release everything they promise the game will be massive with almost infinite things to do that arent just get max level and do dungeons until you have all the best in slot gear and the look you want or get to max level and achievement hunt.

[@Krieghandt]

Sharif told Pirate Software that the quest system isn't in game yet, and grinding isn't meant to be the leveling mechanism for solo/causal players.

[@zacdudzik]

Honestly, after 3 weekends playing as a mage, I was having a pretty easy time doing solo 1 star mob kills 1-2 levels above me. You can do it faster with groups but you certainly can run solo as well.

[@lukewheeler6525]

The crafting is convoluted because it's going to be central to endgame content. The Riverlands biome isn't a starting zone, it's an all levels zone, as other biomes will be. Basalt and other "low level" materials are intended to be relevant through the end game. The diversity of materials present is a different diversity than what will be available in say, desert biomes. And as everyone around the world will need various materials, this will be the backbone of global trade, which will fuel world pvp and server politics

[@Dibz105]

I think in the next phase they'll keep the leveling pace but put in more quests. I'm hoping for some gear rewards to because of the current bug with gear not dropping on mobs not at your level

[@hunger4wonder]

Slow leveling progression in an mmorpg is good, in fact it is as it should be. People that want fast leveling in an mmorpg, are like children who want really bad to become adults and then when they are adults spend all their time frustrated and nostalgic about how good it was when they were kids.

[@stealthzi7465]

Very good video good to see a veteran wow players perspective

[@GS-el8ll]

this guy is the very definition of a wrathbaby, i guess thats considered veteran nowadays

[@vancethefirst]

You are 100% correct that this game is not for everyone. I'd encourage you to do a deep dive into the vision and path of the game development because it is very clear you don't understand what the goal of Phase 1, 2, and 3 is. The crafting is not even close to finished, but it isn't supposed to be simple and easy. The questing isn't flushed out at all, and that isn't even the goal at this phase of testing. The event system is meant to replace a good amount of questing and bring players in an area together to encourage more group play. This is not the new WoW, but I think it is going to be much better when it is complete in 2056.

[@edhahaz]

A RETAIL (braindamage) WoW Player's First Impressions of Ashes of Creation...

[@alzahelb6053]

Keep in mind that you're playing a server tech test version they already said the whole "real content" with true quest, beginner content etc etc will be added around may so I feel it's a bit pointless to judge the pace of the game right now. If the gameplay is fun that's already the biggest win

[@kurtispmusic]

I'm really excited for this one, I can see it'll be good, but I don't want to spoil too much by playing alpha. I'll wait a while for the real thing I think!

[@coadamolx0100]

they did say there will be more solo stuff , right now of course its still about servers and stability all of the content comes later at phase 2 and after

[@Quantumcross2]

Gear matters more than levels so i dont mind a grind for levels.

[@thanks86]

It's crazy how something a lot of people love it's the exact same thing that lot of people hate. But I get it. Everyone thinks they know what's good. I like the slower grind, but I'd rather it be super hard to grind the late game.

[@Haywire5714]

I never liked how WoW was mostly solo leveling, I think this game should be mostly group leveling with solo leveling still existing but it would just be a little bit worse xp. The only change I would make for solo leveling right now is there needs to be more good grind spots. It feels difficult to find a good spot to grind solo. Also unlike WoW I could see this game being primarily about the leveling and not so much about endgame, in which case the time it takes to get to max level wouldn't really matter.

[@dontmatter1368]

Great breakdown mate 💯 😤

[@Sly_404]

So you want retail WOW 2.0? Then indeed this game isn't for you (and that's a good thing).

[@kfarbarata]

4 me quests should be about itens/gear more than exp

[@lemontwiss]

Your comments about crafting were very misplaced. You want to be able to just mine nodes and immediately turn your mats into useable items? That's simply not how a crafting system should work, and you can't create a real intricate economy with a simple crafting process. My favorite part of the game by far is the crafting, even though it is still in a very very basic form. You weren't able to refine your uncommon zinc because you didn't pay enough attention to the crafting window to notice the option to switch from common to uncommon to rare...etc, yet you mention it as a downside? That's just wrong!

[@GS-el8ll]

before watching this i can already sense that metagoblin is one of those people who IS NOT the target audience of ashes, this gunna be gud ah yep, the dropdown to change to uncommon zinc is right there on the smelt window in the b-roll playing as you said this, the resource was out of whack as they where all sharing spawns and t1 resources got cherrypicked, this already got patched despite this phase being an network test, its fine mate, the instant 80 loot carousel is down the block

[@KGtradezxyz]

One of my biggest issues with MMO's nowadays is that they all look bland. No one is putting much effort into having their own unique style like Blizzard did with WoW. Something that gives me hope though is that you mentioned how grand and big some of the areas are! And that the leveling experience makes you take your time. I love this. I love being forced to really dig my feet in the sand and get familiar with the game. This is one reason why I enjoy classic wow so much. You don't feel like the game is wanting you to rush to 60. The game starts the moment you create your character.

[@highelf6086]

I think a lot of wow classic/vanilla players who love wpvp will enjoy aoc

[@Flowteng]

as someone who still hasn't hit max level in my favorite mmorpg, runescape. I would HATE if they sped the leveling up. the players who reached full 99's in the beginning and wore those capes were legendary sweats. If I see people max level 10 days in, I'm gonna be incredibly sad.

[@w00dlette]

I can appreciate all the oldheads in the comments talking about how much they love the leveling speed and the crazy crafting stuff and I agree I love it too because im from that era, however this is what kills these games. Wildstar tried this and died, Vanguard tried and died. Infact this game reminds me of Vanguard a LOT, right down to the massive open world with no flying mounts and non-instanced dungeons, great crafting and so on. They couldn't survive because they pushed out casuals (Specially wildstar). It's just the reality of the world we live in now with the MMO scene, it's now filled with people crying about how they "dont have time for these grinds" and want skips or boosts, and the amount of money spent on this its going to need a lot of players to maintain it longterm. Still though I am very much looking forward to the game when it comes out in 2030

[@Krieghandt]

Sharif talks about this in his Pirate Software interview. The mechanisms for more solo play are not in yet (questing, crafting, etc) grinding mobs is meant to be a group activity.

[@Vsg45]

All these wow players making these videos has made me realize just how accustomed and used to the hand holding blizzard has provided them. Reminds me of a toddler losing there pacifier

[@TheHighborn]

The slow levelling is good

[@CrazyMonkey-x4g]

Nothin wrong with slow leveling but if it is tedious and a chore to get to max then that’s a problem. If there’s decent content during the leveling process then I wouldn’t mind the slow pace.

[@FairPlay012]

In my experience if leveling is a tutorial it means only one thing - dev team sucks at creating engaging quest and progress feel rewarding.

[@Valyn]

Love the slow leveling. Love the 'difficulty'. But i really hope there is a plan for when new players join when they are behind the curve. What happens to the new player that is 6 months or a year behind? Because as it currently stands, they are going to be forced to solo, which is going to push new players away.

[@Zeeros100]

Maybe they can make servers with different leveling speeds

[@antonbonin5003]

I can't help but hear EVERY single person talking about this game online or offline say that while they LOVE slow lvling, that "most people will hate it". I'm gonna be honest. People that actually like MMORPGs, and RPGs in general love this. It's people that DON'T play video games that won't play it. And to be frank, fuck'em. People who don't play video games ruined WoW. They ruined ESO, and every other MMORPG by tempting the developers to make a game they don't even like more catered to them. I have a tank lvl 13 in one weekend. Lvl 1-10 was m i s e r a b l e I'll admit. And considering you can't even join a node until 10, and group content isn't really a thing until then, I can see people that would be into crafting would be like eff this if they accidentally picked a tank. That being said, I think once crafting xp and quests are more fleshed out, I think lvling will be more smoothed out. It takes like 10% effort to create mobs to grind, but the other 90% effort to make quests, events, and adventuring content to lvl on.

[@LightCombat00-ej6em]

trying to do a lvl 6 quest at lvl 5 is suicide is actually good news to me things should feel threatening leveling difficulty is also a plus for me. for some reason I just don't like the way it looks the abilities and the movement

[@xibbas7055]

I agree with the leveling. It can take time but ~80 hours to level 25 while being efficent is not it. It should be ~150 hours to max level

[@FemboysnDarksouls]

Ya'll still treating leveling like its something that needs to be skipped

[@xibbas7055]

@CestPasFaux-kt9zq If your casual player cant reach max level within 4 weeks of playing 3-4 hours a day on average they will quit. Casuals are unfortuantely the majority and needed for a game to thrive

[@Wedcakskacdew]

The economy is a bit messed up, but its aiming to be a bit like eve online, which is a fantastic model, but will need a lot of tweaking/ there are alot of players that really enjoy crafting and this system has the potential too be one of the best they ever played, also crafting is not just for personal gear but also node (the towns) progression, ie buildings and upgrades, which are set by the mayors and contributed to by players.

[@Wedcakskacdew]

Also remember everything near enough is tradable, and player shops are coming next phase, so expect to see people selling stuff, get involved with the community in your realm, find out what the mayors in the nodes you frequent are trying to get done, help out your local nodes, im sure youll get what you need

[@LiamAlt-c3k]

I enjoyed the slowerr levelling, thrrone and Lib took me 4hrs to get to max lvl, I hate that, actually wish theyd make the lvling in Ashes twice as slow

[@ohmyglobohmyglob]

Has a total dragon age feel to it, I'm down but, not 150 dollars for alpha down. I'll wait lol

[@ryan3371]

Everyone complaining about the game about being "too long" "why am I not max lvl in end game gear within a week" Stop. U are not mmo fans. just glorified single player rpg fans

[@MrMorrigan1989]

Spot on!

[@Yushaodo]

AOC on top

[@kurisechan88]

I also bought it, paypal pay over time softened the blow. 30$ a MONTH aint bad for some weekend play sessions. I cant go back to wow classic.

[@keyboardoracle1044]

I think it’s funny how every reviewer says, I like the game but I don’t know if many people will. I think there will be a lot of surprised reviewers… most games today are made to make money not please players… this seems to have changed with AOC. I hope more developers take notice.

[@coadamolx0100]

i gave up on crafting xD too complicated but i think they said it will be more understandable when they get to it also when auction houses get online u wouldnt need to lvl up more stuff and just buy what u need i guess

[@SnowGinger101]

"not going to talk about what it isnt" - proceeds to talk how questing isnt good. The server is currently testing stability with a lot of active players on it. They have said that questing is not being worked at (there's a separate phase for that). Economy, balancing, professions, leveling experience... none of these currently matter or are being put any effort into at all. Its ALPHA TESTING SERVER STABILITY. A fact that i feel like every review channel just doesnt care about. (they say they do, but then they dont actually consider it when doing the review).

[@SeniorMoostacho]

Honest review. It is EQ all over again, in a slightly different way, but Many of the same systems, ideas, UI, mobs, stats, crafting, etc. 2026 seems a plausible release date. Maybe. I predict at level 50 is the first cap and a cleric will have Ressuerction an ability to bring the character back to life and give his neg Death Exp back. 😶

[@sumasaum]

Well put

[@LiamAlt-c3k]

played solo pretty much the whole time and i am lvl 17 after 3 days

[@highelf6086]

Class bro?

[@LiamAlt-c3k]

@@highelf6086 cleric

[@LiamAlt-c3k]

@CestPasFaux-kt9zq ok, good one

[@johnjacobjingleheimerschmi9997]

If the WoW players are looking for a game more like WoW, they should play WoW. Not to mention, they're the same trolls who immediately scream WoW Clone the second tbey play something similar to WoW. Just stay where you are and let the people who enjoy a more difficult game enjoy.

[@ZapatosVibes]

Been playing since weekend 1 and still cant get enough. The quests ARE hot garbage though, but the story arcs aren't in at all, and a lot of it is placeholder, so we'll see where they're at when phase 2 hits on Dec 20th 2024.

[@jomarabrise8475]

the crafting is more on albion style

[@Jimbonytv]

to be honest i played for 2 weeks in 6h sessions per day and i'm level 14, it's too much grind. I won't start the game again until they make questing better or set the XP grinding to a normal pace, I don't feel like living in this game for 24 hours . I totaly agree whit MetaGoblin

[@azzerhodenraseri9526]

All the downsides you pointed out are intentionally 'light' in this version of the testing. I really wish streamers would do a little bit of research before they talked about a game.

[@blaydsong]

To be honest, all of the gripes that I'm hearing in this video sounds like a problem with modern MMO players, and not an issue with the game. They're all too used to being handed XP like it's candy, and not getting to experience a real game where you get to experience the journey and the world it takes place in. From everything I've seen and heard from the developers, they aren't going to shed a single tear if they don't bring in all the players. They are aiming to make a game that appeals to a particular subset of player, and certainly aren't looking to be the next WoW. If you want to try to compare the two, you are definitely going to find discrepancies, and probably get frustrated. Basically, I guess what I'm saying is this: enjoy the game for what it is (or what the developers are trying to make it), not what you would like it to be. Otherwise, you'll always find it coming up short.

[@Penumbra-AoC]

Slow Leveling for the WIN !.! THIS is what makes it a REAL MMO Makes the levels matter. Makes being banned matter. Makes BOTS and RMT punishable. the game doesn't start at max level.

[@Penumbra-AoC]

also, Quests are not yet developed. it is understood that Questing needs to be upgraded. It's not just ALPHA.. this is PHASE ONE of A2. Phase one is about stability and server issues.

[@Penumbra-AoC]

the dust (Glint) dropped by mobs isn't really for selling you use Glint to buy Commodities which you then load into your Caravan the further you transport these goods the more return on your investment this also makes it harder for BOTS and RMT cheaters.

[@Balmorian]

Overall a nice video tho I must say a number of the negatives you mention are a lack of information on your part. Not all but I hope folks take this video with that understanding. AoC is a very complex game.

[@mynameisforrest]

Wont please WoW players? No fucking way, are you serious?!

[@NerdNavigator]

Maybe not modern retail enjoyers who are used to buying character boosts or leveling form 1-70 in a few hours. But I think true classic enjoyers would. It def took some time to lvl back in the day.

[@yanna4473]

New game (hype)vs old game saturated for 20 years.

[@diggles27]

Love the username

[@Sub-zp2gs]

I remember when my MMOs had no quest, and killing was how you leveled lol,, and when it took month or so to hit max level, WoW ruined brains of MMO players, and I can't believe its been 20 years of that

[@Sub-zp2gs]

70% solo content, in a Massive Online game, sounds dumb, almost as bad a SWTOR which is a single player game with people on the server as you

[@CrixGuides]

WELCOME TO THE DARK SIDE BROTHER

[@PyroEmbrace]

Ok, I may have to stop hating on this game. I hate solo MMOs, group play shouldn't just be lvl cap

[@ChrisTehKiller169]

im assuming tank is a placeholder name and a better name like "knight" will follow but also only having one tank is kinda boring, especially when its just a sword and board plate wearer, where is the originality? why not a tank fighter? even a tank ranger for a twist? just SOME variety for us tank players please, every single game has a tank n spank warrior it's so boring at this point.

[@Servtar]

There will wind up being a lot of different flavors of tank later on when they add the archetype system in. But right now the “tank” class is the only tank until then.

[@victorbuster1]

This game is BAD at holding players, i was stuck at a quest for 9h just to figure out it was bugged. im still lvl 4 and cant use the sawmill and had to spend 5h figuring out that you need to go to another city to use it Im out that was my weekend

[@temijinkahn511]

This game does not reward dumb players. At level 10, there is a power boost as new abilities harmonize with earlier one to give more tactical options as well as level locked gear becomes wearable. A level 10 weapon will double your base dps for example. This is alpha 2, so many features are bare bones. The goal of this stage is about server stability. Every weekend, the game is twice as good as the last weekend. Stop comparing an alpha game to a released game. It is just foolish.

I wish this game was easier because o suck and I'm used to WoW and want a easy life.

[@cppgod3527]

Maybe this is just me, but am I the only one who feels like the game lacks "flair", or perhaps a better art-style direction? For instance, if I look at a screenshot of the game without HUD I can't tell what game it is, it just looks like an unreal engine MMORPG. Get a screenshot of a game with good art direction like Valorant, Elden Ring or WoW and you can almost always IMMEDIATELY tell what game it is, even if it's a screenshot of a simple structure or landscape that doesn't reveal gameplay concepts. The game feels "cheap" in a way? Everything always feels overly bright or overly dark, the color grading seems to suck ass, there's no ambiance.

[@andrew2616]

Ya slow leveling is going to kill the game for sure. Unless there is some RPG style like FF 14 but if not then people will just quit. Especially if there are 64 specs to play. People will want to explore that and have fun but can’t because of the leveling.

[@KonamisQuest]

I get the point of this game and the type of playerbase they want to attract but does that type of player even exist in enough numbers to support a game like this? I'm almost 40, first MMO was EQ1 and I would rather just spend a few hours a week on Diablo 2 or something similar than to sit down for years of my life in the current social landscape of "big" or "MMO" games. I also have a distaste for companies milking consumers for nearly a decade for something "they" decided to make.

[@wingsofunlimitedpepsi6817]

The main thing that throws me off of this game is how generic and clunky it looks

[@FemboysnDarksouls]

Hou really harp on about leveling here. I would like to point out that the only content that exist in this testing alpha is leveling. What im saying is: at launch bieng at these lower levels is still apart of the system, stuff like the artisan trees, node citizen ship, and even gear crafting for those levels is apart of the game, not something you try and skip as fast possible like literally every other mmo

[@TED133E]

Hope he never listens to you, make it as much like classic EQ as possible