Aaron Explains the 720 Mod

[@johncbeer]

Been planning a custom build for my son's dream guitar. You just prevented a disaster. Hear that Warmoth execs? We require frequent, steady stream of Aaron vids to prevent so many unnecessary email and phone calls to your team. It's in your best financial interest to keep that flawless mug in front of the camera.

[@JoshuaC923]

Hear hear!

[@ravecaster]

Flawless mug? Do you mean his face or the mug he has for his tea?

[@johncbeer]

@@ravecaster The philosophers of ancient Greece used to debate in the public squares over which was more flawless.

[@brokemanfishing6413]

Informative as usual! Can you do a "off-menu" options video?

[@Neonb1bLes]

Would love to see this as well!

[@davemutter8716]

Wouldn’t that make it on-menu by publicly announcing it? 🤔

[@efsglass]

PLEASE @warmoth

[@jikemenkins7098]

Best guitar salesman EVER!

[@dennisapplegate7553]

Good to see you back .I missed our afternoon tea . Great as always take care man. Thanks

[@tkzsfen]

Aaron, thanks for being honest as always. I hate all these perfectly polished company videos, where they sell you anything at any cost. Trust must be built upon honesty, not kind words.

[@LeonTodd]

Man that seafoam green super-strat with the double creme 'buckers is gorgeous.

[@warmoth]

Yep....surf green, double cream, and dark rosewood fretboard. It's like mint chocolate chip ice cream.

[@stevenmgyori3826]

Well done Aaron! Great explanation and tutorial! Thanks for sharing brother and Be Well!

[@nellayema2455]

These videos are fast becoming some of my favorites on KZbin. Aaron's no nonsense presentation of useful information is great.

[@626smoopy]

What a great explanation. I was wondering what that meant. Thank you Aaron as always.

[@ccchicken8889]

I like it for the low profile feel. I play mostly metal, lots of palm muting. So my hand is anchored down on the bridge a lot of the time. I found the lower the profile, the more comfort over time. A high-sitting TOM otoh, it the worst for me and my typical style of playing. But when I play some old school rock, my TOM equipped guitars are just fine. So in closing, we need to own many guitars to fit many situations ;)

[@warmoth]

Agreed!

[@schmoemi3386]

Many, many guitars... all made out of Warmoth parts, of course...! 😳😳

[@mikefiore1058]

Aaron I love your videos. It's always nice to hear someone who runs a business talk about their product with as much knowledge as you do. Keep it up.

[@dt9r]

It's always a pleasure listening to Aaron, he's a cool guy, he's very informative and clear, much appreciate

[@switchmuso]

IMO rule of thumb: if your Floyd type bridge sits in top of the body without a recessed routing, it won't work... but with the right body it will play more like a Strat, and the heel is appreciably reduced.

[@LukeMaynard]

The thing I love about the Warmoth options is that there's a huge variant not only in personal taste, but in personal taste between the functions of guitars. What I want in a main axe is not at all the guitar I want to set up for slide, and the ability to take options that nobody else would want expands the possibilities of the instrument (and sells us more guitars!). I sometimes think of Paul Reed Smith as the Steve Jobs of electric guitars: he's a very skilled designer, a gifted engineer, and very opinionated about what he wants in a guitar. PRS guitars are GREAT if what you want is exactly what Paul Reed Smith wants. I can'tfully appreciate them because there are too many design choices where I just disagree with his tastes. Being able to duplicate a guitar's specs exactly, and then alter something where I say "no, I don't like that" is the real advantage of bespoke guitars.

[@topwanker]

I didn't get this option on my last body, mostly because I forgot about it. Now that it's all set up, I'm glad I didn't. I would have ran into trouble with my wood mount pickups. Thanks for the video, and for all the others in the past months, they're always something to look forward to and I especially enjoyed them during these weird times.

[@justinchico]

Can I ask what trouble you would have run into? I am currently debating whether to get this option...

[@G-NutZ]

Your videos provide us all with great value! You always make clear points that help out with understanding all the options, thank you!

[@michaelogden5093]

That was a fabulously comprehensive explanation. I don't get companies who wait for a 10 year old kid to come up with a bedroom video that explains their product.

[@FuzzWoof]

I learned the hard way about fretboard overhangs and deeper neck pockets when I put together a partscaster a few years ago - never even thought to check for clearance there, I'll never forget the cracking noise of the fretboard on my rather expensive custom nitro finished neck when I tightened up the screws. Oops! Saved it in the end by cutting off the overhang and a bit of creative clamping and gluing, but still an experience I never wish to repeat.

[@Okla_Soft]

I love the overhang gap without the 720 mod, there’s something cool about the fretboard floating above the body. My stepdad saw it and asked me why there was a gap and I explained to him that I had gotten a rear-routed Strat with no pick guard and he thought the gap was ugly. It’s visually pleasing to me.

[@PaulEFoxII]

Dude, love this channel. Tons of info, professionally delivered, easy to understand and by someone who gives a crap about their customers. Don't know why you'd get the negative comments but it is the web so logic doesn't always apply. Keep up the good work man and to borrow a phrase, "keep on pickin'..."

[@gavint6981]

Holding a vintage Fender the first thing you notice is the neck sits deeper in the pocket. Looking at the side of an old strat only half of the side dot is visible above the pick guard. What happens on a build, with a flush mount string through body, you wind up at the limits of the string height adjustment screws. It is still playable but I like to see some extra adjustment just in case. You can always trim the pick guard around the overhang. If I had only known I would have ordered it.

[@cwjr1968]

Seems that I missed out on an opportunity. My last build was a LA CABRONITA and the neck could stand a deeper pocket to set into. I had to really stretch the capability of bridge by raising the saddles to virtually maximum height. I wonder if you have to order special neck screws when utilizing this mod.

[@hoboroadie]

One of the plans on my fiendish experiments list is a Tele with pickups concealed beneath the blank pickguard. This mod will simplify my not having to engineer a custom part to get full range adjustment.

[@robertholsman]

Brilliant - thank you for not just explaining what it is, but the pitfalls too! As for the personal preference, mine is not to have the extra depth. On the practical side it means more work getting a Floyd to sit right but I also just prefer the extra string clearance from the body.

[@louisflege3741]

Thanks for this video explaining the 720 mod. I've been wanting to start a guitar project and kind of custom design something myself through your parts and options. Now, I can make a more educated decision if I purchase parts to build my own guitar.

[@DK-md2pu]

Such a great presenter. I watch these vids just to relax.

[@mrnobodyinvr9762]

So happy to see you back buddy, thank you so much for the helpful info, you explain it all perfectly.

[@manonbassguitar]

Always informative Aaron!

[@AarPlays]

Thankfully when I was on the website I did read the info on the 720. Saved me from binding the neck too by accident

[@onlywhenprovoked]

Interesting, informative and very well explained. I've never tried one to know for sure but i suspect i wouldnt like having the strings cramped closer to the body. And now you've made me realize i might prefer a rear route strat for that extra space. Ive never been a fan of all that plastic anyway.

[@pupu6oi74]

I've got an Ibanez RT150, which has the "720 mod" from the factory. No discomfort when switching from other guitars.

[@kevinbigsby8099]

Loved the south park reference

[@warmoth]

Finally....someone gets it!!! :)

[@stephanematis]

Thank you for the education! I have never held a guitar with the 720 mod, so I have no idea. I am curious about it and will pay attention, to try it one day.

[@thebeatroom]

Another great video Aaron. Thanks again. Very informative.

[@donald-parker]

Love your videos. So clear, useful, and honest. Here is a video request. I've seen videos on conversion necks and 7/8 bodies/necks. But I would love to see a video comparing the ends results for achieving a 24.75" scale (i.e. regular body with conversion neck vs 7/8 body and 24 fret 24.75" scale neck). 24 frets vs 22 is obvious, but I would love to hear about balance, weight, and tonal differences (given PU spacing will be a bit different with the two options).

[@charlesdeal771]

Gretsch did something similar for some models in '18,'19. It lowered the overall action. I love it. Of course I can understand the opposition, Most people don't like playing my guitars because of such low action (I've done similar mods on my Tele's). Lowering the neck, bridge and action also makes the guitars more sensitive to imperfect fretwork.

[@kevinedgeman8508]

As I primarily play S- style guitars, no I wouldn't use the 720 mod. Have been a longtime user/ fan of Warmoth products ( '87 '88) and have always been very happy. Thanks for the great necks....love em.

[@mrlowquality711]

I would love video on all the tremolo and hard tails that are offered by warmoth.

[@jimmygrant3151]

Interesting information. I have two Warmoths without the 720 mod. I can live with a little overhang clearance. But maybe I will try the 720 mod on my next order.

[@Bero70]

If you would be so kind to share specs on the yellow "strat" with f hole at 1:50 so I can order same one. Hardware ,binding, bridge, finish, pickups, all.. I want exact copy.

[@ChrisAlia123shredmadinsanity]

I like both,, Personally for picking fast I prefer the non 720 but like on an Ibanez Jem I love that low profile feel

[@olejoergenmalm16]

My G4 basses doesn’t have the mod, so I’ve ha a bit of buzz even with the shim under the Schaller 463 bridge, but it’s easy to raise the saddles.

[@warmoth]

The mod isn't available on basses, just guitars.

[@mahdiyussuf9804]

That green guitar's color is awesome ❤

[@moxythepirate1281]

I have it on a flat hardtail soloist. Looks amazing and feels great for me. But I can definitely see the drawbacks.

[@PFDarkside]

Which bridge?

[@hkguitar1984]

Great explanation, thank you for the information.

[@statmagic]

Very well done. Thank you for that explanation.

[@jasonrichardson8531]

Funny because the Nuno N4 had the high profile you like.but the new 4N has the low profile personally I have both and can work with both

[@jessenicholson1777]

I’ve always found it a bit odd that the 720 mod is so unpopular. I wish it were offered more regularly, particularly on bodies like Soloists. But I’ve played Ibanez guitars for years and so I’m used to the neck sitting lower in the pocket. Speaking of that, the way to solve the 720 mod with pickguard is really easy as long as you’re willing to modify. An Ibanez pickguard simply doesn’t extend under the fretboard extension, so you get an even lower feel on the pickguard equipped guitars.

[@mayankpal7196]

Very informative as always. Loved it!! Can you please make a video about humbucker and single coil pick ups and their combination. I, and sure many of us, am always confused regarding their layout, such as, single coil near bridge and humbucker near neck or vice versa. Thanks and great job 👍

[@funnycy]

I wish there is a "720 mod" option in custom bass bodies, I really need it.

[@thearabianmage]

These videos are great. I wish I knew some of this info when I started modding guitars 15 years ago. I’m sure it’ll be worth your time and effort to go all-out in this type of video. Edit - my preference, to 720 or not to 720? Each guitar is different; it’s a case by case basis.

[@noseyparker6622]

I have a lovely Strat that i put together myself which has a burl Poplar top.....so of course has no pickguard as it would hide the lovely wood. No 720 mod for me....i love that little gap under the overhang 😁

[@vishyoutubevideos]

I just finished building a guitar with a Warmoth Soloist body. I had a very hard time getting the pickups set high enough. The 720 mod would have probably helped a lot. next time.

[@willykakka]

I really wish there was straight side by side comparison about the height of the action and neck tilt between regular pocket and 720 mod... but great explanation nevertheless

[@gcvrsa]

Very cool, I didn't even realise that was an option.

[@vikramjitbanerjeetuki]

I have a 24 fret Schecter Damien Elite that will need a new neck soon,it's rear routed and i don't see any gap in the overhang/lip area of the 24 th fret and body so do I need this mod?

[@chris_2714]

Great explanation! People definitely need to be careful choosing this. Easy to run out of adjustment room for your saddle height screws! BTW, your personal guitar is beautiful!

[@sidhree]

@Warmoth would a 720 mod compromise string height or a H/H pickup installation (wood routing) on a plain Fender Stratocaster with standard/compatible Fender Stratocaster tremolo system? Suddenly confused... I thought whatever necessary compensation would be taken care of if neck and body were bought together... I'm not too worried about the strings being lightly closer to the body, but am concerned that (maybe) I might have to route the tremolo further into the wood to balance the string height across the board.

[@sidhree]

Never mind, sent a message on my order's thread, so it's all good. \o/

[@Thirdgen83]

I like the .720 mod on guitars that don't have a pickguard and have either a recessed Floyd or a Fender style bridge.

[@LetzBeaFranque]

Excellent stratght shooting true facts! Good job.

[@drkoontz]

I am glad that you offer the 720 mod , but I am not a fan for my playing style. Thanks for the in depth look at the pros and cons !

[@soundknight]

This was really well explained, thanks dude.

[@nate6692]

I've always wanted to do a guitar where everything was inset to be flush and continuous with the fingerboard. Like radius the body to match the fingerboard and everything. So it was like you just fretted the body. No particular reason than aesthetics, but it's just one of those ideas that bugs me when my mind runs out of important things to think about.

[@AprioriMarcos]

Perhaps I need a 720 mod on my belt after covid and so much home cooking. Something something overhang, sickening cracking sound... I feel like this half baked analogy is going downhill here. Thanks, Aaron, for explaining this option so clearly.

[@tastjohn1889]

Thanks for the explanation about this issue 👍👍👍👍👍

[@lance8167]

I did the last one inspired by the Hondo death Dagger from the 80s I use big longboards they're made out of maple my goal is to sell one . Be able to afford Warmoth neck on one and start really putting good equipment on them. I love your content man you got a great job

[@MikMech]

I like the idea of a 720 Mod. I prefer single plane neck through guitars, with the fingerboard thickness the only difference between body and neck. Must check out what you have... Cheers

[@gingataff]

So, to clarify: A rear route with a 720 mod would feel like a regular depth pocket with a pickguard? In that case I would go 720 on a rear route and a recessed Floyd. I imagine combined with an angled heel it would make upper fret access better.

[@angusorvid8840]

I have one question. One of the guitars in the vid has a reverse headstock and locking nuts. How do you tune that thing once you lock down the locking nuts? I mean, it has no fine tuner bridge, Floyd or otherwise. Just curious.

[@warmoth]

Yep, it's goofy isn't it? :) Here's the details: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5-4iKV_iKyjY5I

[@angusorvid8840]

@@warmoth I mean, however you tune it, once you lock the nut it's gonna go sharp, and without fine tuners there's no way to get it back in tune.

[@windsurfmaui8239]

Hard to focus on the issue b/c I was so mesmerized by the beautiful spokesperson!!! I have thought if I order a Soloist body that I would get the 720 mod, especially if I ordered a 24 fret neck. If I ordered a Soloist body and a neck contour and the 720 mod would that leave the thickness of the neck pocket so thin that eventually the pocket could split over time? Aaron, I hope the neck dept has caught up with the backlog b/c I'm about to order a custom Gibson Conv neck without a finish. Thanks.

[@warmoth]

I will not apologize for being beautiful. Is it my fault I was born with perfect bone structure? :) Oh....also, a 720 mod will work just fine paired with a neck contour. Nothing to worry about.

[@hanten10]

I never try that but I think I love it but it is not comfortable to play if the string is come closer to the body 😅

[@tonekilltech]

Thanks for yet another informative vid, Aaron! Great job explaining the pros and cons! But what I want to know is why someone would put Seymour Duncan Parallel Axis Trembuckers in a hardtail guitar like that when they're "F-spaced" for trem bridge string spacing. Well, the bridge versions are (patb-1, patb-2, & patb-3). The patb-1n for neck position is standard humbucker spaced? They are sweet pickups, I have the patb-3 & patb-1n.

[@warmoth]

We constantly mix and match stuff all the time here. It's crazy. Did you also happen to notice that guitar had a TOM bridge and a Floyd Rose nut? We ain't scared of nothing! ;)

[@AlternateUniverse]

Next up.... Angled Neck Pocket for Floyd video!

[@mailvilla]

07/23/2020: Very well explained, Thank You! I would not get it, per too many other adjustments that could go wrong, and I just do not see a need for it.

[@yumadapaka]

Thank you for talking me out of the 720 mod 😆.

[@centurionmusic11]

Hey Aaron! Thanks again for the helpful videos! Got a question for you/any other viewers who have seen my comment and can help as well :). Since in the video at about 2:50 you were holding a guitar with a Floyd Rose in it when you were talking about checking the adjustability of the bridge, I got a bit of a "subliminal message" if you will and I'd just like to confirm it: are you suggesting that a 720 mod is not good for a body that has a Floyd Rose bridge on it because of a lack of adjustable range? To put this in context, at some point this year I'll be ordering a custom Soloist body routed for a Floyd Rose and 24 fret neck from Warmoth for my first ever build, and I want to make sure I get everything right the first time :)

[@warmoth]

Haha! No subliminal message was intended....it was just the guitar I happened to be holding. A Floyd can work just fine with the 720 mod.

[@johncbeer]

Can't stress this enough: when doing something outside simple, stock options, get one of their sales reps on the horn (Spike is awesome!), explain what your vision is, and ask about any pitfalls along the way. I learned some hard lessons on my first self-driven build, and that was for a bass. Guitars are even more difficult.

[@DBSG1976]

Thanks for explaining, I really appreciate the info. Would it be possible to show how the necks are tinted and the differences between them? Thanks...

[@warmoth]

Unfortunately I can't right now. Currently all the departments at Warmoth are isolated from one another to contain any potential covid outbreaks here. I don't have access to other areas of the shop like I normally do. But it's a good idea...I'll add it to my list!

[@scottpeters4401]

The only thing I don’t like about the 720 mod is the extra cost to get it...I mean,you are already routing the neck pocket anyway,why the extra charge to route another 1/10 th of an inch?..Not trying to be a smart ass,just have always wondered why....I personally like the 720 mod simply because I don’t like the gap between the neck and body...it doesn’t look right to me with the gap...just my OCD’ness I guess..but you did bring up some points against it that I had never thought of..

[@braderrick]

Is this available on any body? I had no idea what it was. I have a baritone tele neck that is extra thick at the heel and I’ve always been too intimidated to take any material off the heel and it also is a really thick neck so it wouldn’t work right. A body with a deeper neck pocket would definitely help.

[@warmoth]

No, it's not available on every body. We remove the option from bodies with options where we know it will not be compatible or cause problems. When in doubt, send us an email or call in and we'll help you out.

[@braderrick]

Warmoth Guitar Products will do and thanks so much for the response.

[@tpike32]

Could you in theory. Create a bigger pocket on the guitar? So a 720 . 24 fret would practically sit flush with body? Or less than a 1/8 of a inch.

[@ronammar5021]

I'm curious to know how the 720 mod affects string height relative to body-mounted pickups (no rings). Would the body-mounted pickups be too high and touch the strings with 720 mod?

[@warmoth]

You would have to be sure to choose humbuckers with the short feet. Anything with traditional long feet would for sure be too tall.

[@OferHolan]

Hey Aaron first of all your videos are very informative and fun to watch, I've just placed my first order from you guys and you've been very helpful! And I've got a great idea for a video for you! Why dont you make a video where you're making an order from warmoth online and youre explaining all the choices you make and why you prefer one over the other ? That could be very cool and helpful to many people and I'm sure you can negotiate with your boss to fulfill your order and you'll have a new guitar on the way 😉 Don't forget to thank me later and keep on picking and making great videos man! It's really nice that a cool guy like you who likes good music represents the company 🙂🤘

[@warmoth]

Good idea! I'll add it to the list.

[@ChrisAlia123shredmadinsanity]

Is it ok to get the 720 mod if you are getting wood mount pickups and recessed Floyd w rear route on a soloist build ??

[@wernwerks819]

Aaron! Where have you been? Its been like a month since you made a new video! Hope all is well, maybe make a video about random ordering specs you guys commonly see people make mistakes with and the most universal options to avoid issues

[@erickleefeld4883]

Wouldn’t you also need to use shorter screws than usual for attaching the neck?

[@Plagues138]

When talking about hight of the pickups/brisge etc... Would it be more or less feel/play like a neck through guitar? Since the fretboard would be about as high as one?

[@warmoth]

It totally depends on the geometry of the guitar. For example, a Les Paul is set neck, but because the neck is angled backwards the strings, pickups, and bridge all stand *really* high off the body. OTOH, a PRS set neck has a straight angled neck, and everything sits down very close to the body. The 720 mod would feel much like that, and not at all like the LP. Hope that makes sense.

[@marcionobrega5117]

Informações muito importante 👋👋👋

[@Just-Michael]

Just placed an order a few weeks ago and saw the option but after reading it just sounded like a lot of hassle for something I know nothing about. I figured I'd have to get a recessed bridge and all that so I'm just like naw it ain't worth it. But, I've never tried it so it could be cool for all I know. But when you say cramped, I don't think I like the sound of that. I have small hands and don't like the feeling of my hand being too high, which is the feeling I get from tune o matic bridges sort of they're still okay, but too close to the body doesn't sound fun either. :P

[@larryalexander900]

Hi Aaron, can you guys please do a comparison between a solid wood one piece guitar and a solid body with bolt on (single piece ) neck. Or any comparison involving a solid/ one piece guitar. I don't think anyone's done this comparison ever!

[@dave1812]

Why does that Guitar in the Beginning have a Locking Nut, but a fixed and no obvius way to fine tune it?

[@daryldimaria9840]

Great video in explaining what the 720 mod is but WHY didn’t you tell us WHY you don’t like it?????? It would a great help to determine if we would like it or not.

[@comment.highlighted]

That sickening crack would be Terrible 😭

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Lol that's when you get out the super glue and pray for the best. ESPECIALLY if it's a rare neck that can't really be replaced.

[@DatBoi-mo9vc]

@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 at that point you shouldnt screw anything in until you're 100000% sure it'll be fine

[@DaemonGtr]

Although I agree with You Aaron about the geometry, that video is really informative. It works with carved bodies? I'm a huge fan of Your Regal models.

[@JoshuaC923]

That finish on the strat though

[@00Resev]

Hmm, i think this needs a a bit of an explanation on a specific issue. On a back routed strat body, the strings will not be at the same height as a top routed body, as it does not have the pickguard to give it that extra height, as such, wouldn't the 720 mod bring that height down on a back route body to the same/ish level of a body with a pickguard? It just makes sense to me, so if its not so, it needs a bit of an explanation.

[@warmoth]

Yes, what you're saying is more or less true regarding the relationship between the top of the body and the strings. It's other things that account for the difference in feel. For example, humbuckers still have the ring around them - in essence a mini-pickguard where the height stays the same immediately around the pickups. That mounting system was designed for the usual string height, but now you have to adjust the pickup much further down into the rings. Similar adjustments must be made to bridges, either by recessing them, or adjusting saddles to their lowest range. Etc, etc.

[@jimbucket2996]

Can I get a 420 mod?

[@89ji76]

Will the 720 mod be too low for wood mounted Duncan Trembuckers on a soloist body?

[@estemelrod3445]

Unfortunately, when I ordered my custom body about ten years ago, this explanation didn't exist. Thus, I have a non-recessed Floyd-Strat that requires neck shims to restore the lost depth.

[@darrellm3410]

Interesting concept. I could see it going on a guitar.

[@AndiKravljaca]

The 720 mod is great for situations where you're planning to shim a neck.