177 v 22 calibre for pest control

177 v 22 calibre for pest control
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[@AAROnair]

Bit of a mix up with KZbin release on this one I'm afraid. a little like number nine buses, nothing then two come along at the same time?? www.aar-onair.com visit www.vector-air.co.uk

[@petetimbrell3527]

Andy, how about a practical demo using different calibre/weight pellets fired at a sheet of plywood at 40m and 20m, showing penetration achieved by each shot? Just a thought.

[@EarthSurferUSA]

@@petetimbrell3527 Not a bad test for quick and dirty, but it will not tell you much technically. Measuring fps, (and figuring out fpe), through a crony at those yards will. You can bet the highest fpe will do the most damage to a piece of plywood. Of course, different pellet designs make a difference too, even if they are the same weight and speed, like that "hornet" pellet with a metal tip.

[@petetimbrell3527]

@@EarthSurferUSA - It would be a reasonable demo, but I also hear you. As long as the shots are all hitting the same, uniform sheet of plywood though (in different places obviously) then its a fair field-test for people who don't have access to a chrono, but can see on screen for themselves the energy delivered to the target panel. Agreed that different pellet types/materials will make a difference but the shooter should expect a pointed tip to penetrate the plywood more than a wadcutter, and lead to go deeper than, say, aluminum. I'm waiting for depleted uranium pellets haha ! Btw, can ya hang 10 while surfing on a whole planet? I'd watch that.

[@sosteve9113]

No regulations in power in the UK,looks interesting

[@keithschwantz7384]

7 l

[@gregoryfox9286]

Elma Keith ( father of the .44 Mag) was asked " what is the best calibre?" He replied " The one you can hit things with " reply " what ? " Keith said " a . 177 air rifle pellet in the brain is more life threatening than a .50 Browning in the foot , It's where the hole is that's important, not the calibre ".

[@davidpaylor5666]

Excellent. Cheers.

[@sosteve9113]

True

[@hunter100t]

Great quote mate.

[@kashgoat1361]

Cheers m8

[@Rabbit.760]

It gets a little more complicated when ballistics and suppressive fire are important. And if you're a competition shooter where ricochet trick shots are a thing.... Oh boy 😅

[@EarthSurferUSA]

I have to give Andy big props. As an engineer myself, I can see that there are only a handful of guys on YT who do good tests and provide good solid, scientific information,---and Andy is right up there with the best. "Let see how many full beer cans this pellet will go through", will never be one of Andy's vids. :) Kudos sir. Doug in Michigan USA.

[@charlesmckinley29]

That would be a terrible waste of beer.

[@jonfisher9214]

Sir I am both shocked and saddened at the thought of wasting beer in this way.

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

@GameliEL Auceps ah yes, this confused me too for some time. it actually means to give "propers" or more easy to understand "proper respect" or maybe i just made that up, i dunno.

[@andrewcole7895]

@GameliEL Auceps or aeroplane person (UK)?

[@bushcat274]

I concur wholeheartedly.

[@vf19blue]

"you are only ever under-gunned if you miss' Col. J. Cooper (RIP)

[@tompedersen6564]

Excellent presentation. Old adage: If you don't hit them in the right place, it matters little what caliber you use. If you do hit them in the right place, it matters even less.

[@Danny_Transition_Patrol]

True.

[@allanwind295]

You don't want to shoot coyote, deer or hog with a .177 to give extreme examples.

[@samanthaevans9696]

@@allanwind295 even at power the .177 is,nt the right caliber for the pest species you listed . any good shooter will know what caliber for the job in hand

[@gordonlawrence1448]

@@allanwind295 I have as yet to see one of those wild in the UK.

[@danglingdave1787]

@@gordonlawrence1448 you get them in wales

[@OFNAmatiC9237]

It took me until the 16 minute mark to realize that’s not a window behind him. I’m impressed with the drop cloth background. Nice touch. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. Cheers.

[@RS-xq6je]

I just noticed think I've fallen for it before with the rifle near the window

[@RaymondJacobVEVO]

plants not real either yo

[@davidpaylor5666]

Brilliant stuff Andy, the best presentation of this discussion I've either seen or read.

[@dangeraghty6715]

Andy, your presentations and personality are outstanding. Thanks for all the great videos and education you've bestowed upon me.

[@notavailable7578]

In my opinion... both haha. I’ve taken small game to racoon and groundhog easily with one shot kills with both 177 and 22. It’s all about shot placement. With airguns i find it best to put a round through the brain. Airguns are definitely overlooked and mocked by powder burner shooters. I think airguns are actually a better way to hunt small game and pests. Sure power and less down range energy than a rim fire. But I find it more fun and much safer hunting with an airgun. Just my opinion.

[@fisheyeguy]

You may not say both, if you had to abide by the sub 12ft lb rule.

[@antonchigurh5472]

Much quieter too

[@Dennco2000]

I agree ☝️

[@JesusChrist_IsTruth-LoveForALL]

It also cheaper to shoot pellets verses powder round, especially these days!

[@billybob-cd5oc]

@@fisheyeguy but you can say both as 22 and 177 can be had in sub 12ftlb

[@colinsmith4998]

A lot of work clearly went into making this, much appreciated.

[@kevinblaylock391]

Interesting information and thank you. Having been a huge fan of Air rifles and pistols since 10 years old, when my Dad bought for me as a Christmas present a Diana 177 rifle. Since then and over the last 54 years, I've owned many Rifles and some highly collectable ones too, BSA Centenary and Stutzen being some of my favorites classics. The reason all of the above is mentioned is because I found over the years, that the 177 cal pellet, across all of my sub 12ftlbs guns was more accurate, carried the velocity and did the job the other end, so I agree with all Andy has said. 👍

[@jimaspinii7579]

As a retired math/computer teacher I very much appreciate your statistical presentation. Thanks for all the work you have been willing to invest to get these results!

[@rogerarcher4271]

Just been inspired by the vid. Blue the dust off my 45-year weihrauch. Then realised the gun has stood the test of time but my eyesight hasn't.

[@jaysee2213]

🤣 off for a new pair of bins then you're grand!

[@Dr._Spamy]

And with ironsides nothing realy helps aming, neither the reading glasses nor the glasses for distance vision. But a scope will do the job. ;)

[@michaelb.42112]

Haha good comment. I have to wear my readers, too.

[@paulgreen2416]

Time for a shiny new high magnification scope. Only think that will ever stop me is complete blindness. And even then I might still give it a try 😂

[@williammactavish3913]

'Blue' .. SMH. Although I hope you had a blast!!

[@simonjohnmeredith]

An in depth and measured explanation that’s been so lacking on this emotive subject, lol. Top work Andy, thank you. 👍🏼 (for the record, I’m reassured that my .22 coupled with an effective scope is up to the job) At the end of the day it’s all about personal preference, there is no right or wrong answer, so long as you’re aware of the subtle differences.

[@quoguitars9555]

Thanks for all the great advice Andy. I am currently going to purchase a bullpup air rifle for target work, and as we live rurally, a spot of pest control, and your advice and suggestions have gone a long way to help with my decision making. As an aside, I am currently fighting cancer, and the time I have passed listening to your dulcet tones as I fight on. Keep up the good work my mate, and thank you for helping the hours go by with great information, and advice. Take care, and stay safe, Quo

[@heli-man-]

I have 177 and 22 I always use standard dome pellets in both but I use the 22 for pest control and target shooting it’s very accurate and I’m not sure why I even brought the 177. Maybe because I use my 22 for target shooting all the time I have no problem in accuracy when pest controlling so it all comes down to practice and knowing your rifle.

[@andrewcrofts531]

My brain hurts now..... Great discussion Andy, we all have our favourite calibre but like you say its accuracy which matters over everything. Cheers and keep safe.

[@patpathoneyhoneypatpat8813]

This was very well presented. As a beginner this video answered a hell of a lot of questions I had . Excellent Thank You.

[@dicky3340]

Fantastic video. The most comprehensive explanation of calibres and power I have seen. Well done Andy.

[@Beesa10]

I have both .177 and .22 but I do prefer .22 on the whole, the first airguns I practiced with were .22, larger pellets are a little bit easier to handle, holes in targets are a bit easier to see, the transfer of energy to the pellet is more efficient, slightly less muzzle report and .22 just 'thumps' a bit harder. I understand a flatter trajectory is better for accuracy at different distances but for shooting the occasional rat in my garden the distance isn't an issue as they appear under the bird feeder or by the shed.

[@jimmynich4791]

That's the thing, for sub 12 ft lbs you'd have to be a very good shot to be doing successful pest control at a distance that the difference in trajectory between .177 & .22 would matter. I think as well if you are that good you'd know the calibration of the scope with holdover, under, etc.

[@mattfrancis4569]

thanks andy, keep warm and safe my friend, my weihrauch hw45 in .22 is a good close range pest control. love from cornwall

[@robertfish4052]

Im a sucker for a graph. Loved it. Now I want a 20 cal.

[@abdulqadirsiddiqui4036]

Sir your tutorial are very inspiring, despite I am 63 years old but yet will remain with you to learn and obviously will purchase PCP for myself, Stay Blessed

[@oakessw]

Nice to see the case made in a clear and logical way with some useful data to back it up. Cheers

[@CobosDoesItAll]

Love the foldable background lol. Nice presentation as always.

[@eoinwestman6222]

Excellent video and information Andy thank you. I will agree with you on the .177 and 10.34 jsb heavies and hades. Both work fantastically well for rabbits and squirrels for me. Better groups for the jsb heavies when doing doing target work but the hades are a great pellet out to 40 yards

[@geoffread2707]

Ah Ah! I saw this before - I’m not on any preview list that I’m aware of - good to see you Andy!

[@thezanzibarbarian5729]

Many, many years ago, I used to go hunting with air rifles. And I'm talking 35 odd years ago now. I used to have an FWB Sport in .177 that was Venom tuned to over 11.5ft lbs (I can't recall it exactly now.). But we used, I had a friend with the same set up, a .177 pellet that was about 10 point something grains. I think it was an H&N pellet, but I could be wrong. Regardless. We only ever shot that same gun with the same pellets ALL the time. We never changed. We'd zero in at 30 yards (Meter's were never used back then!) and once zeroed in, we'd set up targets at 40 yds and 20 yds and without the need to change anything on the tele sights, we'd adjust our shooting to get good, and very accurate results. What I'm say is, it doesn't matter what gun, pellet, scope setup you have, you have to practice to get good results and don't change. Keep practising with a set up you're confident with and it'll all come together. As a side note. My best shot was on a woody that was sat on a barn at 55 to 60 yards. We were in a hid in the middle of a field and the woody laded on the barn behind us. Behind the barn, were fields and fields. It was a still day. it was a safe shot (Which is of the utmost important point in shooting. Always Shoot Safely.). I aimed at the Woody. Adjusted for range. Pulled the trigger and the Woody dropped to the ground. Stone dead.

[@darrencady4261]

Thanks Andy for another great presentation. For me its .22 (JSB Exact) at 13.43 grains. I get 619 to 625 fps on average and they are accurate-ish out to about 40 yards beyond which the groups open up. At this range the pellet can still pass straight through a tin can which is power enough from my 1987 HW35 Export!

[@georgeloveless4176]

Andy this was excellent. Being a newbie to airgunning, I've often wondered about the differences in calibre, and you helped me out with many of the questions that I had. I can only imagine the amount of work and time that you spent on making this particular video, and I want to let you know that your efforts are absolutely appreciated! Well done and thank you.

[@PaulBriden]

Remember the review is about Vermin control. Competition target shooting is in 177 caliber. What Andy does not say is that 177 pellets are more affected by wind over distance than 22

[@mkaz3997]

@@PaulBriden Not so much if you use 'heavy' pellets in .177..ie 10.4 gr as opposed to 8.4 gr std.

[@PaulBriden]

@@mkaz3997 True.

[@nafizhaq4554]

This is the best explanation of .177 vs .22 you can get anywhere! Also a good video to watch for beginners! Hats off to Andy

[@jamescarre6743]

That was an excellent presentation. No preaching, no nonsense delivery of facts with a little previous experience information added. I do enjoy your videos. You must spend a fair bit of time in your editing, this one was very slick. Mrs AAR must have kept you well supplied with coffees.

[@kennethmidwinter982]

Sir, having been a operational police officer operating with Beretta 92F’s and MP5,s…… all 9mm…..this video is brilliant. You have explained ballistics so well. Once again so accurate. Kind regards Ken. Hats off, as they used to say.

[@zrb9591]

Greetings from North Carolina, USA. This has been very helpful. Thank you.

[@charosenz]

Super helpful info. Thanks for no annoying music.

[@brankobajic6271]

Thanks for another great video, Andy! Stay safe!

[@chrisnurczyk8239]

Looking at this from the "other side of the pond" - though we can use 20 ft. lb. guns where I live, this info is still very valuable, giving me much food for thought. I haven't shot for years, and am just getting started (w/springers - I'll get it down yet), and I must say Andy's videos are some of the most valuable I've seen. Thanks, Andy, for cutting through the nonsense and offering sensible advice - and it's also pleasant to have it delivered by such an agreeable gentleman.

[@williamclifford4441]

Air Arms TX200 is an excellent rifle . Very, very accurate and punchy.

[@Bry25able]

Great review, thank you.

[@MrJacksonBollock]

Learn on a .22, then you get the eye and understanding for the arc. .177 is easy after that! Great vid.

[@icingdeath]

Love the stats. These are the tables one should show in comparative reviews rather than subjective comments. 👏

[@donaldbarden6294]

Have taken turkey with a single head shot in .177. Shot placement is the key in my personal opinion. I have a .22 air rifle collecting dust in my attic. .177 pellets have come a long way too for small game/pest control.

[@nellawell4976]

Thanks Bro, I learned a hell-of-a-lot in the last 1/2 hr.

[@dagtegaal]

My Diana bandit /chaser fusion loves the Hades 22. . They are fantastic .

[@jdmbraceyourself695]

Went with the .22 and love it.

[@user-lh8ql5zr5e]

Thanks for your somehow uplifting videos!

[@injairgun]

Andy, the JSB Hades will be available in the first quarter of 2021 in .30.

[@GeKo1966]

Thanks Andy! good show and as always entertaining!👍💪You and the Mrs stay safe! Cheers!

[@lindsayheyes925]

Just what I needed to crystallise a decision. Thank you.

[@williamczupryn2642]

Well done Andy!

[@davewilson4008]

Great video with solid information. Like you I use more than 1 calibre but for me my favourite is my .20 in my sub 12 fp. I first used a .20 some 20 years ago and since then have always kept one in my cabinet. Yes there is less choice in pellets but that said I've had good results with both JSB and H&N from my rifles, The JSB's are a little heavier so seem to hit harder and group the best (although we're talking only very slightly tighter from my air ranger) so are generally my go to pellet.

[@stevekirk3295]

Thanks Andy.As usual, well worth waiting for. Going to look at the graphs again and put your well founded, sound advice into practice. Shoot Safely and keep up the good work .

[@cgmehta8264]

Being an American, this is both super weird and AWESOME. Spelling is different, things are called different things, it's just overall cool. I've always wanted to go to the UK and can't wait till I'm old enough to do so!!!

[@BossTweed69]

It isn't all that mate, trust me

[@vincemcmahonreadskoran3120]

@@BossTweed69 No where is all that, but part of travel is seeing how things are different from place to place. Not better or worse but different in some ways.

[@Ryan.90]

​@@vincemcmahonreadskoran3120 Very true, I always say to Americans, don't just go to London! 2-3 Days you could cover a lot of the sights...pay £6-£8 a pint in a few pubs, But if you've got a week or better 2, there's Cambridge, Lincon, York, Newcastle, Durham. Northumberland coast is beautiful, Bambraugh, Linfesfarne, Seahouses. Same goes for the Jurassic Coast down south like, my first road trip we went to Devon but I picked up my late in London, camped in New Forest first night, Dorset next, had a night in Seaton then down to Newton Abbott.

[@davidharris4062]

It’s called English, not American

[@cgmehta8264]

@@davidharris4062 but I'm not English. That would imply that I am from the UK. I am am indeed American. 😌

[@loulopez554]

Best review I've heard,many thanks.

[@thesilentmajority5539]

Another excellent and interesting video Andy. Keep 'em coming.

[@petersimon6222]

you are a brave man to tackle this one well done loved the video

[@Woodgate425]

As always Andy an excellent video. Great presentation and should help many who have asked the question of what is the best calibre. Keep up the good work.

[@bengvideos572]

Best air guns channel

[@jmtworm]

Cheers Andy, great video & really informative 👍

[@leasnowden48]

Excellent video, answers alot of questions

[@richardbeckwith4545]

Superb explanation and very much appreciated, love watching your videos!

[@siddarthaone7355]

bravo andy, always appreciate your great videos!

[@philipdorey4651]

I think I’ve become an AAR groupie! Nice Ficus.

[@pierreevenceavaux6827]

Excellent video; one of your best. Thanks!

[@rp8133]

Thanx for this information at its best. I take the lesson, that it is best to learn/think about physics and ballistics and to practice out what's the best for my needs - for what ever I want to use a gun.

[@paulynotshore7006]

Ouch!...very good lesson Andy, i have a headache now...very instructive. Keep on going!

[@markundrill6480]

Great review Andy thanks 👍👍

[@bushcat274]

Born and raised on the south downs flinging .22 into rabbits. I wont change! Super modded 2250 with push pin release stock is my go to poacher.

[@leejordan7252]

I use .177 and its down to my ability. I am not the best of shooters and I find with a flatter trajectory I am more accurate over different distances. if I don't think I can get a clean shot then the shot will not be taken.

[@allanwind295]

If you fix the speed rather than energy I wonder if it's even an issue. Also, it's not really the maximum distance of the arc that matters, as you need to holdover for either caliber at least with the 0.5cm kill zone that I am for. It's that a flatter trajectory gives you a larger point blank range. Another way of saying that is that your estimated distance to your target is more forgiving of errors. For the pesting I do with a .22, it matters (as in 0.25 mil), if my target is 13 or 14m.

[@beverlywalding5525]

They all say that not me

[@orgazmick]

Andy your wife needs to iron the consevatory it's a bit creased.cheers for the explanation bud

[@marekboda3918]

Excellent considerations and analisis. Keep up the good job!

[@exspliffit]

My record in sub 12fpe is 87.5 yard headshot on a pigeon using 10.34gr .177. the retained energy was around 6fpe. There was no wind at all and I was well rested and feeling confident. If that was a .22 I wouldn't have even attempted it due the curve. Always shot .177 and I think I always will. Shoot what your happy with and are used to Like the old saying: if it ain't broke, don't try and fix it👍

[@oddjob7821]

That's an impressive shot . I've used both 2.2 and 177. I think it all comes down to skill and knowing your kit. I remember years ago when Field Target Shooting started way back when it was 0riginal 45s ,HWs and Webley Vulcans and such like. I thought I was a pretty good shot and I was satisfied with my performance. However I was amazed at what some of the shooters were able to hit constantly. I believe most doing FTS use 177 due to its flatter trajectory. For pest control I think it very much depends on the circumstances and what suits your needs best and to be fully aware of your own limitations. Again great shot and just shows what can be achieved with practice and skill which is what it's all about.

[@exspliffit]

@@oddjob7821 thanks dude👍

[@Danielson1818]

.177 out of a springer works just fine for squirrels (big ones in New York State). As long as the person shooting has good aim. Head or heart shot, and it's over pretty fast.

[@richardmillican7733]

Ha ha... the “lights out instantly” had an aire of Hannibal Lector about it, Clarice.

[@TMAdventuresT7]

Excellent description and bang on the button 👏🏽

[@airvermincontrol5033]

Great informative video as usual

[@ghostthesubaru]

Just found this channel am glad I did it’s very informative and I love it hope to see more videos soon

[@PUNKF001]

Fantastic analysis of the never ending argument! I like both to be honest. .22 presents more of a challenge at distance. But i only tend to shoot up to 30ish yards so using .22 is ideal. Ive dropped a shot with .177 and vermin can just run off. .22 seems to dump way more of its energy into the target and gives you a bit more peace of mind if you drop the shot slightly. Nothing wrong with .177 if your shot placement is bang on. So much easier at the range too.

[@harleyg98]

Thanks for another very informative video, I've been using the Hades for 12 months in three different springers with good results. Then again, as you say, there are so many factors at play - you've not even touched on temperature, humidity, etc - so it's worth trying a selection. I'm guessing the same gun used in different parts of the world would throw up different results.

[@Simon-kh2dd]

just found your channel... enjoying the reviews good real world opinions, thanks!

[@axistec]

Thank you for your expertise so well presented 👌

[@stevereed166]

very good, clarity, informative , not rattling on too fast as our u.s.a friends do or difficult to understand pigeon english. enjoy your videos, very helpfull.

[@tominmo8865]

Very enjoyable and informative, thank you!

[@rcmakingtracks18]

Excellent... thank you.

[@SouthOZHobbyHunter]

I run the JSB Hades through my FX Crown and they are one of the best, if not the best hunting pellet I have ever used.

[@odysseusreturns9133]

Only tried two specific hunting pellets at .177 on a HW97. Tested for accuracy at 30 yards I found the JSB Hades very disappointing with poor grouping. The discussions on the forums confirm this. The H&N Barracuda Hunter Extreme on the other hand was as accurate as a FT pellet.

[@ArdyAryan]

Love the channel Andy! Also, your accent makes everything sound more legit!

[@icogniti1937]

Another well balanced review. Top job 👍

[@siebeversluys6900]

My favorite airgun channel!!!

[@raiwaheed2725]

Very informative Sir!!

[@siebeversluys6900]

@@raiwaheed2725 😎

[@waynes9275]

great info, I had to pause alot to convert the metric over to USA. Worth it!!!!

[@rickyroar791]

You make a great talk show host.

[@1kreature]

Here (Norway) you are limited to only 0.177 (4.5mm) unless you get a license. There is however no limit on the energy, only diameter and air/co2 as propellant. There is a 18 year age limit, but you can apply to be exempt from the day you turn 16. This sort of makes all the heavier .177 more reasonable as it is then possible to get these up to useful speeds for proper trajectories.

[@balintfarago5652]

Nice video, very informative. Thank you!

[@troyb8755]

Great video, very informative and will be watching more of your videos.

[@robbiekipping1124]

Brilliant thanks a lot.

[@cosmo9882]

Thank you, very informative 👍😎👍

[@charliewoods2149]

Andy chilling with a settle flex of over 100 quid of pellets on the table

[@chriskendall6089]

Interesting report with information in an understandable form , really feel at last to have an understanding from unbiased information. Oh and yes sticking with the 177

[@stevetubb5110]

Very educational video. thank you. i will be looking into this a lot more and experimenting a lot when i can. Definitely going to try the Hades Pellets

[@highestsprings]

Well that's about as detailed as you can want. Thanks for the info.

[@clivesilk3501]

i love 177 .. used it for years