The Linux Political Spectrum

[@davey820051]

Your "test" of Linux using a rolling releasse distro for your daily driver was a little like trying out an F1 car for your daily commute and concluding that automobiles aren't ready for prime time. I'm a relatively new Linux user and have found the transition to a mainstream (Ubuntu-based) distro pretty painless, and I've been able to work productively from the start. I'm older and certainly less technology savvy than you, and sure, I've had to learn some new stuff, but I can use a search engine and follow written instructions. Bonus: I no longer dread the second Tuesday of the month..

[@JaneDoe-nl1vd]

the second he said arch i was like... here we go... i appreciate his venture into the world of linux but man did he unnecessarily handicap/limit himself.

[@conradmbugua9098]

@@JaneDoe-nl1vd True, i switched to arch after 2 years of manjaro. Will switch to gentoo after atleast an year of arch

[@konradd9572]

@@conradmbugua9098 why are you gatekeeping your distro time

[@conradmbugua9098]

@@konradd9572 I like having full control of my computer and gentoo seems like the right distro. Plus I am still young and have the energy to learn the inner workings of linux. Though i will use gentoo on my desktop due to the long compile times and just stick with arch on my laptop.

[@wheezybackports6444]

@@conradmbugua9098 If you want to learn do Linux From Scratch. Gentoo is just Arch with compiling. If you really want full control of your computer use Slackware. Slackware is very flexible and customizable. Slackware is also easily hackable, so you can do whatever you want with it. You don't even have to use slackpkg. You can build your entire system from slackbuilds if you wanted to.

[@pyp2205]

"Now there's 2 main distro families, Arch and Debian." Red Hat Linux: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@tremolony4924]

Fedora❤

[@pyp2205]

@@tremolony4924 Ah it looks like you're also a Fedora user right?

[@quantumbits1952]

That's the best of both worlds RHEL 😎

[@tremolony4924]

@@pyp2205 Yes sir. I love Fedora + Gnome

[@pyp2205]

@@quantumbits1952 True while I used to use Ubuntu/Debian. I wanted to switch because I felt like using Ubuntu would make me look like a noob. Plus there are better distros out there that fit my needs of programming. Which after switching to Fedora, I didn't know I could roll back to older kernel versions. Which is actually pretty useful, since sometimes new kernel releases can make my system not function properly for some time.

[@RandyMony]

I'm a casual computer user. I was hesitant about Linux at first, but when I saw that distros like Pop OS, Ubuntu and Linux Mint were as easy-to-use as Windows (at least for my use case,) safer and more private, I ended up making those my choices for a Daily Driver! It looks like you went right for a distro for much more advanced users when these days you don't even need to touch the terminal on some of the more family-friendly ones -- and it's getting better!

[@preetdhiman8480]

i don't know that the heck newbies strait go to arch or kali then cry everywhere

[@Scheiseposter]

or just get mac/windows and never see terminal/cmd for YEARS

[@JG27Korny]

So if someone cannot play games, that applies for mac too. Exactly those Ubuntu distributions were good enough even 10 years ago. The way you install things is so easy. Even terminal help is much easier to copy paste commands than following microsoft help instructions.

[@Scheiseposter]

@@JG27Korny good enough compated to what? Other distros? That's like saying ass cancer is not as bad as lung cancer

[@JG27Korny]

@@Scheiseposter Good enough means that it is a subjective criterion. Good enough for me may not be good enough for you. The mere fact that I get a distribution with all necessary tools I need for office work is good enough for me, and all the repositories are several clicks away. Getting help in the terminal is much easier than chasing verbal explanations in English to go after menues especially if the windows is in other language than english.

[@4cps777]

2:46 Most distros will come with a graphical software store out of the box. 2:55 No, you don't need any customization at all. You can go for it, though. 4:50 I nuked my Windows install right after installing Linux. 4:55 Really? I spent the entire last night gaming with friends (most games even run smoother than they did on Windows, at least for me). 5:03 Virtualization is a thing and there probably isn't too much of a usability loss when using a GPU pass through. However, since this does involve "running" another OS, you're technically right. 5:22 Imagine not pirating Windows 8:05 There's the benefit of being able to do more things than a GUI ever could. If you don't like that, don't install Arch. 8:22 Were you using AwesomeWM? Because otherwise, that statement is wrong. 8:35 How something looks has nothing to do with the window manager. 9:05 Maybe you shouldn't have used a closed issue on Windows for the background. 9:28 Finally something interesting. 9:50 Linux can be used by anyone, you simply chose to use it in a way that is considered hard. 10:43 What is this sentence even supposed to mean? 10:50 Which kinds of configs are you dealing with?

[@WORMSTweaker]

I'll add something to 9:05: You're still using the slow and heavy NPM when tools like yarn exist?

[@raidev_]

thank you, you summer up my thoughts on the video

[@a.j.sarmah5161]

You just summed up my thoughts. Regarding the WM thought I think a beginner like him should just start with Gnome , KDE, XfCE or some other sort of a Desktop Environment and get really familiar with the command line and then if they ever want to try a minimal window manager they can do that.

[@raidev_]

@@a.j.sarmah5161 yeah, you can't just go straight to arch and WMs and present it as the Linux experience™

[@a.j.sarmah5161]

@@raidev_ exactly and he is also complaining about arch's unstability but in a way he signed for it with the latest and greatest software some bugs are expected and alternatively he didn't explored other solutions like flatpaks too.

[@braiinworms]

Most Linux users I know love using Linux. I don’t see how spending your time having fun is “not valuing” your time 😁

[@ivanf.8489]

Yeah, for some people computer is just a tool to do things as fast as possible and can't understand some people might like doing things a bit slower but with methods they like more

[@Sintax666]

I love it

[@Sintax666]

@@ivanf.8489 Well I find myself working on linux much faster than windows because the one thing he didn't say that there's actually a software manager on Linux so you don't even have to look up software on the internet or even go on your terminal and type in the command. It's a push one button software center so it's nothing too difficult no more difficult than someone using the Android.

[@jimmyneutron129]

i mean if they would not love Linux, they would probably not use it. If you try something and you dislike you go back to the other thing you dislike less.

[@refuse.]

@@jimmyneutron129 what a big brain comment. you wear the jimmy neutron moniker well (not)

[@packediceisthebestminecraf9007]

I think you just went too far down the Linux rabbit hole, I recently switched to Manjaro (from Windows) and it was surprisingly straightforward. Because I code in c/c++ it was much more convenient for me to use Linux than Windows: Clang was already installed, and installing a code editor was just one command (so now I know how to install any other package I might need in the future). I didn't have to customize anything to get it to work well. It even starts up faster than Windows. I believe a simple Linux distribution would actually be better for a lot of people: if you just use a browser, why not use a browser that starts up faster on a faster operating system? (Also, not being able to play games is actually an advantage for me) At the same time, Windows tries to force you to make a Microsoft account, and if you don't, it will continue asking you update after update...

[@whoami5955]

What about your laptop battery optimization

[@FlutterDev1337]

Not to be "that guy" but Fedora and Debian-based systems are much more stable than Arch-based ones. Manjaro drags way too long on their package upgrades (nearly half a year) and have even left some upgrades behind for some programs (e.g. Airgeddon) thereby breaking systems.

[@anon-fz2bo]

@@FlutterDev1337 yea fedora is the sweet spot between newer kernel updates & stability

[@v01d_r34l1ty]

Linux is a lot more straightforward for software developers and IT professionals; we just have more common sense lol.

[@ZOCCOK]

I understand your reasoning but seeing through the eyes of a average user, there are certain things which doesn't make linux attractive for them: 1) Installations can be a single command, however for majority of everday users, a GUI is going to be far simpler and easier to use than a command. 2) People who just use their pc for web browsing are most likely not even aware of the existence of linux and are probably using the os that their machine came with. 3) not being able to play games maybe an advantage to some however it may be a major disadvantage to others. 4) microsoft account problem is a rather simple fix, it's better to just make a account or sign out and just click the refuse button (as it only pops up after a update or after a reinstallation of windows, it isn't something that someone is going to experience every day or even every month)

[@juanalbertoabiaalvarez4327]

Fedora and i3 user here. I've had my setup working for 18 months, not a single problem. Yes, learning how to set it up takes some time, but once it's done, I'm more productive, and everything just works. I repeat, not a single problem

[@maximofernandez196]

Duuude, I'm a fedora and i3 user, too. The same experience here

[@Damonsalvatire]

​@@maximofernandez196can you show me your customizations?

[@robotron1236]

I use Arch with i3 on my laptops and KDE on my desktop and I can't remember a single issue that wasn't fixed with a couple quick commands or something.

[@douwedejong1223]

You were after a productivity boost but didn't seek advice on getting more productive, just on getting the system riced. Get the bindings right, get used to them, become more productive. My story: I started using arch around feb/2022 (switched from windows) and used Luke Smith's larbs to install dwm + useful packages. It took me 6 months to get really efficient with the setup. Switched from vs code to nvim and then suddenly I started coding super fast (I'd say 3~4 times faster than when I used windows). It takes time, but is definitely worth it. "Windows is not just 80 usd if you value your time".

[@johnnyirish9852]

Please explain how switching an OS can make you code faster?

[@douwedejong1223]

@@johnnyirish9852 window manager + programming in vim + vi keybindings for terminal. I only use my mouse for scrolling the web (one could use only keyboard here too). Workflow example: Say I'm testing the integration of an API. I'd set a window (out of 9) with the story, a window with the local server, and a window with the source code + a terminal for senging requests. I developed enough muscle memory to switch contexts really fast. I can then code, look at the logs, send a request and check if it matches whatever the story wants in a very short time. With time, setting up a workflow for the current task is fast and enjoyable. You could have a similar setup with Windows. But if the point is setup overhead, Linux wins in this case.

[@v01d_r34l1ty]

​@@douwedejong1223 I've daily driven Linux for around 6 years now (I'm a Level 5 cope) and even I don't use ViM other than as a basic text editor lol. I still use VSC for everything.

[@johnnyirish9852]

@@douwedejong1223 don't see why for some keybindings you need to do all the work to install a new OS. You can install GVIM under windows, you can also use vim through WSL. And since ever you cann install vi keybindings in Visual Strudio or VSCode. Also 3-4 times faster is not realistic, and fast programming is not everything, professional developers do not write that many lines of code per day, as the are mostly after taking it slow and write high quality code that is also read and maintainable, following clean code principles.

[@deadeye1652]

@@johnnyirish9852 have you ever seen or tried a tiling window manger? Its not about "fast" coding its more about efficiency and also with this kinda setup once you are proficient enough you would not need to lift your hands off keyboard to reach the mouse again and again for small things. + you would not have to rely on OS devs to not make UI changes that hamper your muscle memory as you basically control everything. and it also has the benefit of looking exactly like you want it too look because of extreme customizability.

[@vampiresRsolame]

Regarding games on Linux: my Windows installation broke again and I gave Proton a go. So far months later I haven't needed Windows to play any games.

[@martonkardos8094]

If you're not a tinkerer you're best off just installing Ubuntu and call it a day. I spent a lot of time distro hopping in my early Linux days, and I had faced a lot of issues, and I even went back to using Windows for a couple of years. Getting back to Linux was honestly a time and convenience consideration for me, as I had a lot of roadblocks in my development workflow on Windows. Ubuntu is pretty stable, comes with sensible defaults, prebuilt packages for almost everything, and you can customize it where you need to. I sincerely think it's a case of diminishing returns when you go as far as to be the Arch/Emacs/i3 boy, the amount of effort you have to put in doesn't necessarily equate to the sheer amount of time and effort you have to put in to get comfortable with them. I would say there is a lot of productivity to be gained from switching to Linux if you know what's a good idea to adopt and what is overly excessive.

[@ketchup901]

Arch with a normal DE like KDE or something is by far the most stable. Unlike ubuntu they don't try to make you use stupid shit like snap and flatpack, you just use the regular ass repos, and if it's not in the repos you use the AUR.

[@skepticalmind2260]

Similar story here, been using Linux for +10 years now. Started with a couple of years of distro hopping, and settled with Arch/Emacs/Fluxbox for about 5 years, Then gradually started drifting back to mainstream. replaced Fluxbox with Gnome, and my productivity improved a lot, I even wrote an extension to mimic my Fluxbox workflow with Gnome JavaScript. Not long after, I've replaced Arch with Ubuntu after I had wasted a whole work day trying to fix some GRUB bug, and then realized how using a rolling release distro for work is a terrible idea. And then finally Emacs turn, with Vscode Emacs shortcuts extension, plus not having to write Elisp ever again was just an insane productivity boost.

[@Jack3G]

I think when a lot of people compare linux they treat it like a commercial product, which it's not (at least for most of it). The whole linux package isn't made by some big company that you're paying, it's just a community of enthusiasts sharing their cool screenshots. Anyway, nice video. Typing this from arch btw :P

[@isaacdawn7332]

watching this on eos

[@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418]

There are several 'conmercial' distributions🤷. RHEL is 'made' by an IBM subsidiary and is tightly linked to Fedora, Ubuntu is a workstation/server and IOT product, PopOS! is 'made' by System76 and is used by HP and System76 for workstations.

[@insidetrip101]

Yeah, you're 100% right. A big part of the problem of comparing Windows to Linux is you end up just picking a bunch of different software that's been put together, but there's no reason to think that SystemD is actually part of "Linux." There are even distributions out there that don't use gnucoreutils and instead use busybox etc. So its hard because when you're a real Linux user and you know the pro's and cons and feel that its unfair to compare systemd to whatever window's init system is (services.exe? I'm not sure), because why pick that one? Because its most used? Because its part of the particular distribution you chose? But to be fair, does any of that actually matter? If you're trying to decide whether you want to install windows or Linux why should you know about all the different ways to mix and match software in Linux. Its a completely overwhelming process because there's actually way more things out there for Linux than there are for Windows in terms of system building customization, and automation. So how do you actually give people an honest answer? "Trying Linux out" is bad advice. There is no "try it out," because you either want to use Linux, or you don't. Linux isn't an alternative to Windows. They're actually not competing. Sure, Windows might be an OS, and MacOS might be an OS as well. So how could Linux not be competing with them if Linux is an OS? Because people who use Windows and MacOS are after different things. If you just want an OS installed on your new computer that you finished building, go ahead and install Windows every time and don't even think about it. If you have to ask, or think "I'll try it out" You'll just end up going back to Windows, it'll cause you a bunch of grief, and you'll feel that you've wasted your time. There is only one reason to install Linux--that is that you want to have complete control over your computer. If your answer is deficient in that desire, then Linux will just leave you feeling disappointed. And this is why Arch is the most superior distribution. You get to build everything you want--how you want it--without having to compile your entire system. Gentoo and LFS are cool too, and if that's your thing then go for it, but I feel that if packman's compilation isn't good enough for me, then I can compile the software on my own anyways (i.e. Best of both worlds).

[@sutyi06]

@@isaacdawn7332 This is not even close to true. Many companies use Linux and take part in its development. There are even commercial Linux distributions, such as RHEL, not to mention development for embedded Linux.

[@DaleonM4]

@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418 yeah and the linux kernel gets help from many conpanies like google microsoft so basically they give them money ...

[@BrekNe-bz2fu]

"you basically just can't play games on linux" Steam Deck : Am I a joke to you?

[@SunIsLost]

Speaking of which, I wouldn't call Linus Sebastian from Linus Tech Tips "Linux hater", more so Linux critic and he has made a video on Steam OS and praised it. (and admitted to his mistakes.) I'm Manjaro Linux user btw.

[@robotron1236]

I game exclusively on Linux. Proton/WINE run my games BETTER than Windows ever did.

[@FlutterDev1337]

You were missing a 3rd major family in use which is Fedora. Both Fedora's and Debian-based systems' package managers (i.e. DNF and APT respectively) are much more stable than Arch based systems. I use Parrot OS and it is very stable.

[@vortex.acherontic]

*and a 4th, SUSE/openSUSE Basically he missed to mention any of the two major enterprise distribution families

[@FlutterDev1337]

@@vortex.acherontic yes!! I had thought of opensuse but forgot whether it was part of the red hat lineage or not (it's Slackware based).

[@vortex.acherontic]

@@FlutterDev1337 In the very early days, guess 94 or so it was Slackware based but is meanwhile entirely independent and only shares the RPM packaging format with Red Hat / Fedora. While it is generally not recommended to install an openSUSE/SUSE RPM on Fedora/Red Hat or vise versa 😅

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

Don't forget Gentoo. Is Ubuntu even really part of the Debian family anymore? I'd say you have the 2 major community projects: Debian and Arch; 2 major corporate projects: Ubuntu and Red Hat; then a bunch of smaller stuff that's going to be neglected in this kind of video: SuSE, Slackware, Gentoo, LFS, etc.

[@vortex.acherontic]

@barutaji "They are both based on RHEL" No they are not and never where.

[@Durayne]

Using Linux Mint for several years now as a daily driver, stable and almost zero issues there. As for Gaming, due to the Linus Tech Tips Challenge I decided to erase my gaming rig and go Vanilla Arch, just to feel the full pain. I dont care for fancy Desktop, but as for Performance. After some tweaking I even get the same performance. And currently all the games I play work. And actually for system options I find that often much easier to set them on linux, than on windows nowadays were they rework what used to be their control panel seemingly on every single update.

[@v01d_r34l1ty]

I daily drove Linux Mint for 4 years straight without having to reset and reinstall... and it survived across a whole ass hardware switch (I built a new PC and just moved the SSD). Durable distro fs!!!

[@lucaszapata]

I tried switching to Linux mint because it's better for performance in old PCs, with 4 gb of ram and an old i5 4th gen, and the Sistem boots faster and opening apps is also faster compared to windows, but I can't install any app directly I'm a Jr developer and I can't seem to correctly the software that I need to code, and I keep getting random freezes, like opening 7-8 tabs in Firefox and my PC freezes and I have to reboot 😭

[@lucaszapata]

Maybe I was just super unlucky or I still need to learn a lot about Linux, but I don't have enough time to read 20 or more forums and documentation for every single program that I need, and also tutorials work like 25-50% of the time 😭😭😭

[@lv1543]

>currently all the games i play work Tf2 only player detected

[@Durayne]

@@lv1543 Actually I dont play TF2 - I think I own it, though (need to look) - Stellaris, CIV, Gothic 1/2 heavily modded, Witcher, Trials of Mana, Elex 2, Vampire Survivors, Path of Exile, Battlefield 5. Issues - once I somehow learned to to the basic setup patterns - so far: Path of Exile : Vulkan as API works butterly smooth, but something in the 515.49.19 vulkan beta dev driver causes issues. Setting it to dx12 and using vkd3d works fine. DXVK .... heavily stutters till you build up your shader cache. Elex 2: Well, stutters after loading screens in dxvk even though shader cache should be built. But Elex 2 is known for issues even on Windows. And there are some graphical issues in dark sceenes, seems like some kind of reflectiveness is not calculated correctly, shadows have a greenish taint. Almost like when you mess up your gamma settings. Cant tell how its supposed to look though since I dont have the windows comparisson VKD3D works fine for performance, but once there are highly reflective objects their "material" seems to get spread around the entire room So yeah the most problems so far were with elex 2, which is - to be fair - also known to have issues in windows.

[@Silent.]

Interesting experience, but all the issues you mentioned where not Linux issues, but the application issues. Most of these problems can be resolved with finding the right application. If you worry a confit will change in an update download something that won’t ever get updated. I use dwm and it’s fantastic in that regard. I’ll never need to update it after the initial few setups and I have to manually update it myself

[@landoc05]

Don't start with Arch. It's not 1995, when you had to start with Slackware. Start with something simple like Ubuntu. Also, the two big branches are RedHat (rpms) and Debian (debs). Arch and Gentoo have their own branches, but they appeared much later.

[@m4rt_]

8:02 you don't need to do it all manually, just use the archinstall command when you boot up the live image, and just select what you want, and you'll have arch set up in like 10-20 minutes

[@kirilraychev732]

I run Manjaro KDE on my Lenovo Thinkpad T480,and it has pretty great customization options,not too resource intensive too,I don't us terminal too often, sometimes it's just convenient.I don't intend to go back to Windows anytime soon.

[@sir_no_name1478]

Exactly I use Kubuntu and feel the same. I switched because after a Windows 10 Update my Wifi driver was uninstalled, for the third time. I thought about switching for Kubuntu for some time and the Rage about having to fix the mandatory updates again pushed me over the edge. Since then I do not use Windows. I am not a Hardcore User of Linux and I do not use the Terminal very often. Every time I use it, its because I would have to use it anyway or because its easier. I think the Video is sadly presenting only one side of the coin. But then Again, I never had mac os, so idk.

[@sageSmith369]

I'm going full Linux before Christmas. So excited.

[@Siltprogramation]

Honestly, it would help if you had gone with a more stable distro like Fedora. As someone who has been using only Fedora for coding for two years now, it is pretty good, and I did not have any major issues with it. In fact, I find it to be far more stable than windows 10.

[@jklax]

No one ever does their due diligence on Linux. I did weeks of research before I installed anything.

[@Chaitanya.J]

I second this. I use fedora on my old laptop and it's great

[@Sintax666]

I completely agree I think he like chose one of the worst distros to start for somebody who doesn't know anything about it from the beginning. The fact that he didn't even know there's a software manager and that he had to type everything through terminal I'm sure that made things a lot more harder and he should have went with something a little more long-term.. so he wouldn't have had so many bugs and glitches it would have been more stable but it's kind of cool he thought it was interesting

[@pyp2205]

Yeah I agree! While Ubuntu was my first distro that I used for about a year or 2. I switched to Fedora about a few months ago, as I felt like there were better distros out there and I kinda felt like a noob using Ubuntu (plus I wanted to move away from the Debian distro family). And after switching to Fedora, I haven't switched back since. It's way better for programming, and it's nice to be able to roll back to an older Linux kernel when booting up if a new kennel release doesn't work properly sometimes (typically I wait a little bit for it to work properly). I have tried other distros like Arch Linux, and it was good. But I felt like it wasn't the type of distro that I would want to use for programming.

[@Sintax666]

@@pyp2205 You could actually wrote back any Linux distro if you install timeshift it's actually able to be downloaded through any distro and more than half of them actually have it..

[@immoloism]

Wait a second, I've gone passed Stage 6, should I be worried that I don't know where I am in my OS of choice?

[@aishashehuumar3160]

I realized that the secret to making a million is saving for a better investment. I always tell myself you don't need that new Maserati or that vacation just yet. That mindset helped me make more money investing. For example last year I invested 80k in stocks (with the help of my Financial Advisor of course) and made about 246k, but guess what? I put it all back and traded with her again and now I'm rounding up close to a million.

[@godsgrace4608]

The pandemic came and taught everyone the importance of having multiple stream of income, unfortunately having a nice paying job doesn't mean you are financial secured anymore. So we all need to put in an extra-income earning chance, like investments.

[@calebgomez8026]

Investment is that tiny line that separates the RICH from the POOR. The foolish from wise sorry to say. I can proudly say I am wise today because I can provide for my family through my investments.

[@Elizabeth-vj2xy]

Wall Street's big banks and payments firms are getting involved in digital assets as a result of client demand. A recent Mastercard survey found that 40% of people plan to use cryptocurrency in the next year.

[@Elizabeth-vj2xy]

Trading with an expert is the key to successful trading

[@Christopher-fn2dl]

I just withdraw my profit last two days before now. am glad i did invest with them still reinvested and the trade is ongoing

[@gestaltlabart]

I lost more time with windows, than with linux ...

[@n124ajdx]

The only thing Linux is faster at is during the installation ( because Windows take so much time to install) from that point on windows is basically seamless while everything in Linux require you to go read a lot of forums and documentations ( if people want to read they might as well read actual books that will help them in life instead of documentations)

[@aceeder2]

Because you’ve used windows way more than Linux 😂

[@tyrellbb]

Could you say the same thing for Linux vs macOS?

[@netbotcl586]

@@n124ajdx the last time I used windows, which was 1-2 months ago, my data partition wasn't working for whatever reason. forum support tells me to reformat the partition, which I decided those data wasn't important anyway and reformatted it. After a reboot, the problem came back. Only after a reinstall of Windows that it was fixed. so yeah, not a seamless experience.I lost more time with that shit than the whole time I used Linux.

[@airxperimentboom]

Wait the time you upgrade your system before all apps are officialy supported

[@caioleonardo7313]

Some ppl said it better but I'll say it again anyways. You tried going for a rolling release hardcore distro and expected softcore stable distro behavior. I think the problem comes down to the accessibility of linux for new users and how it's kinda tough to get how it really works in the beginning. If you wanted your install to just work without bugs but with more configuration you could've gone with a more stable distro like fedora or debian since you already knew how that worked, but you decided to go the hardcore path and got disappointed with the hard part (pun intended). But you judging the whole linux experience by a really niche part of it really bothered me, because from what you said you knew it'd be hard and buggy but gave up the moment it got hard, knowing that there are other paths to take that'd be more stable and most likely wouldn't have those really annoying bugs. Or you wanted to look cool by using arch and learned the hard way that's not how it works

[@robotron1236]

Arch is easy to use, if you don't drool at idle.

[@Willwantstobeawesome]

Traditionally it's more debian-based vs red hat based but things are changing

[@AnoNymous-2013]

yes. he missed that point. BTW.. how many linux distrues are derived from Arch. I can only of think Manjaro

[@TigercatDesigns]

Started with Slackware in the mid '90s, finally ended up on Gentoo two decades ago and haven't switched since. Every two or three years I just wander to the webstore, assemble a new system with double the cores, copy my disk images over to whatever that latest storage and CPU technology is, and recompile @world. Done. Then I get back to work developing hardware and writing software. It's a great environment for engineers. For everyone else, not so much.

[@b747xx]

You got an Intel Integrated GPU in you're Lenovo Screen flickering Panel Self Refresh (PSR), a power saving feature used by Intel iGPUs, causes flickering in some instances. A temporary solution is to disable this feature using the kernel parameter i915.enable_psr=0

[@TomNook.]

If you don't game (or game on consoles) or use Adobe, just use Ubuntu on default. All this customisation is the time sapper - that applies on windows and mac

[@notjustforhackers4252]

What? If you don't game? Have you ever heard of the "Steam Deck"?

[@krunkle5136]

Gaming on a seperate console or PC is better anyway because it forces you to use a different machine so you have to get up and stretch.

[@kalinmir]

Steam can run most games through proton...idk i could have lived without console exlusives before i can live without games that dont run on linux (yet) now

[@gFamWeb]

"you can't play games on Linux" you're completely missing Proton, which runs on the Steam Deck, which runs Linux. So, yes, you can play games on Linux.

[@robotron1236]

I get better performance on my Arch Desktop than I ever did running windows on that same PC.

[@Makefile_dot_in]

I think the "ideologies" you listed are less what I would call "ideologies" (those would be things like religious avoidance of proprietary software or installing Linux on everyone's PCs) and rather just a scale of how much you use the defaults and how much you change. Also the issues you mentioned are a bit specific - for me, I have used all sorts of distributions and laptops and usually for me the hardware has worked. And also, when you say things like "it is broken on Arch and unfixed", it usually helps to think what about Arch is causing the issue - a distribution isn't really a fundamentally different operating system, it's really just a way of organizing a Linux system and some default configuration; and if you can figure out what part of that is caused by Arch, you can try to change it to be more like another distribution. Now, that is a bit involved, but you're also using... y'know, Arch. Things breaking occasionally and needing a bit of tinkering and debugging is, in fact, a big part of why Arch is seen the way it is. Your hardcore enthusiasts are also a bit of a caricature, since as far as I've seen, most hardcore users who are actually hardcore _know_ why they use Arch over any other distribution. tl;dr: the issue here is trying to be a hardcore user without actually learning the things you need to learn to be a hardcore user. It's like if someone tried Assembly as their first programming language and then complained that programming is hard.

[@robotron1236]

Most underrated comment here.

[@JonSnyderfudge]

"I tried the most difficult and manual Linux setup and it didn't work well" *writes off using Linux entirely*

[@Zulonix]

I first came across Unix while working at DEC in 1989 in Munich Germany. Digital Equipment Company put out an OS called VMS, which was super easy to use. When I brought up Unix, I discovered man pages. These really brought out the excellence of the VMS help system. I have about 20 years of experience with Solaris, and about 2 years with Linux. When you write server software, the differences are fairly minimal. One thing I really liked about Linux is that I could run CLion natively. I have a machine at home with Linux installed, but rarely use it. My OS of choice is MacOS. A few times a week, I will use the command line because it's easier for doing some tasks.

[@eruno_]

there are many Linux distributions like Fedora which is incredibly easy to use without much setup

[@AbhayNayak]

This went into the wrong rabbit hole which leads to somewhat incorrect and unfortunate issues. But keeping it simple is the key, pick a distro and get started with the actual work. I made linux into an RTOS for some IOT work and I couldn't have done that on windows or mac for cost and performance reasons. On my personal system I use low-latency linux to run FL studio and video editing for my KZbin videos, works smoothly and its super fast. Windows gets slow over time, Mac and Linux have comparable performance, but Linux is free and you can install it on any system, there's no particularly high end hardware requirement for linux because its light weight.

[@robertmarquardt]

I just was sick of Windows Updates, so I installed Ubuntu and later Fedora.

[@lorenzobuero7115]

I think the "you should start with arch" thing is really doing some damage to linux, being arch as complicated as it is, when people start with it they get overwelmed and very buggy experiences. If you don't fully understand how everything works just don't use arch, start with Mint, Pop OS, Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, even Manjaroo, but not arch.

[@robotron1236]

Arch really isn't all that complicated. The archinstall script that comes with it might as well be the calamares installer that comes on every other distro, people get scared when they see a terminal and I don't understand why. It's super simple and straightforward, just follow along.

[@lorenzobuero7115]

@@robotron1236 yes, but no, its not that complicated after instalation, but you still have to update repos knowing what you are doing (if you don't know you are really capable of messing things up). Also, most tutorials about arch will be somehow more complicated and terminal dependent because people asume that if you are using arch, you are experienced on linux

[@wilhelmsarasalo3546]

I had two clients where I had set up a file server for 20+ users each. "shared" and "backup" directories for each and whatever custom needs they had on top of that. One was Windows server the other was Ubuntu. Years, maybe a decade later they both had a hardware failure within a year. For Linux I found config files and scripts and was done in no time with confidence. With Windows I found my notes and did a lot of clicking and typing and got done, too. I use Windows, Linux and Mac. They all have their strengths and weaknesses.

[@SamToulouse]

unless you really need advanced AD functionalities, Linux tends to be a much better choice for servers. It is faster, more stable, provides great log analysis if you take the time to learn the basic CLI commands, and disaster recovery is a breeze compared to Windows.

[@romevang]

I adopted Ubuntu early on (2007) as my first daily driven linux OS after distro hopping for several years (and grew tired of Windows XP). After tinkering for so long, you tend to value your time as you get older (at least i do) and just want stuff that "Just Works." OS'es are just tools, and I chose the best tools that suit my needs. PopOS is now my linux distro, I do most of my work on Mac OS, and on the same linux machine i dual boot windows for games only or that random utility that only exists on windows. Interesting video, and your break down on linux users was entertaining and probably not too far off 😂.

[@MichelCDiz]

I like PopOS. But for me is a no go... Not sure why, but after a while it started to freeze. I have a RTX 3070, and maybe that's related. I was able to cp all home files to a new user and got back to work. But again, after a while... So I cp again the whole thing to another drive. Format the driver, install PopOS again. And copy back the home dir. And again after a while it started to freeze... So, I decided to use Windows in that machine and use my mac for general coding. I love linux, but I'll keep using headless(be it docker or WSL) for now and beyond. It is painful to use as your main OS.

[@romevang]

@@MichelCDiz i originally started with PopOS 20.04 and a GTX 960. From there i just upgraded to 22.04 without doing a clean install. Then swapped to a RTX 3090 recently. 0 zero issues. Could be a broken package or dependency but troubleshooting that isn’t fun and don’t blame you for switching.

[@yoman9446]

@@romevang what utility do you use on windoe

[@hexisXz]

I like your profile pic

[@viktorg8346]

So what do you do on linux if majority of your work is on macos and gaming is on windows?

[@jward92]

Imagine thinking Arch is the hardest distribution

[@darukutsu]

Imagine thinking Linux is hard. Bro BSD... BSD is whole another level.

[@jward92]

@@darukutsu BSD isn't harder though, it's basically the same difficulty level

[@smitkapse8069]

Why do we specify "std" namespace when header file iostream have definition of "cout" function in c++?

[@guerrerod2543]

In my experience, it’s better not use arch for your own personal pc, cuz arch is a distro “rolling release”, so it’s more likely to have more bugs or be unstable, that’s the reason I use Debian and not arch, and not try to be a “hardcore” Linux user using arch

[@yoman9446]

Exactly, he uses Arch with 0 prior experience and complains that Linux is unreliable. Mental gymnastics

[@m4rt_]

1:53 why did you put Java in the background?? the Linux kernel was made using C and ASM

[@shisuko3112]

You went from 0 to 100 really quick by using Arch, something which I didn't even dare to do. I'd love to see a follow up with a more mainline distro such as Debian or Ubuntu (or an Ubuntu flavour that suits your needs).

[@BoyanOrion]

Linux is not for everyone. It's for people who want understanding, control and freedom in their computing. If you are one of these, then it's worth investing time into it. It's not about being cool, memorizing commands or using obscure window managers. Once you have the understanding you can do whatever you want with it and that's priceless. I've switched to Linux full time and as a daily driver over decade ago and never looked back.

[@azulamazigh2789]

Linux is a must for Software Developement... like how can you work with Docker in Windows ??? the Terminal is way more powerfull and practical than any UI...

[@Selarium]

You don’t. You use a Mac or run WSL

[@johnnyirish9852]

of course you can use docker on linux, and then you also have WSL

[@azulamazigh2789]

@@johnnyirish9852 yeah but WSL is just a Linux VM which means a waste of PC ressources (RAM, CPU ...)

[@meskisable]

@@azulamazigh2789 WSL has very slim resourse footprint. Its just runs modified linux kernel not full os. With new windows terminal its amazing.

[@johnnyirish9852]

@@azulamazigh2789 I don't think WSL2 is a VM. They really have the linux kernel running in a subsystem. Ther perf impact is not noticable.

[@rabidmoose01]

"I tried the hardest distro" Why would you start out with LFS?

[@fnorgen]

I've had a good experience with Mint. Out of the box it is way less annoying UI than Windows. However I kept running into software support problems. I could get almost everything to run... eventually, but it often took quite a lot of research learning how to force technically incompatible software to work anyway. I'd switch permanently if this wasn't such a frequent annoyance. I's not that far off though. I'll give it another go in a few years.

[@semicharmedkindofguy3088]

Idk why you jumped straight to arch, for almost all beginners I would say just install ubuntu. Easy to install, there's barely any learning curve, most of the things work out of the box, and for any problem you have you're almost guaranteed to find the solution on at the top of your google results. I've had to waste more time waiting for windows 10 to update than I have spent tinkering in linux (can't speak about mac as I haven't used it).

[@nicolaska1761]

You should have tried simpler distros of linux, like Fedora, Ubuntu, Pop Os. I use all operating systems (macbook pro, and my PC with dual boot) tried several distros and the best one for me is Fedora atm, the experience is really fluid, no bugs whatsoever. Arch is kind of the opposite and should only be used be people that actually needs that level of customization

[@jimmyneutron129]

uh i mean you can customize anything on any distribution technically, you just have less things OOTB on Arch

[@Nom3x]

Linux is like the vegan of the computer world. They'll tell you how great it is to be a Linux user while having alot of driver problem and error.

[@ollicron7397]

Well man do what makes you happy. I dont know what demonic force compelled you to install Arch, when even the creators of Arch use distros based on it instead. But you couldve easily done all that ricing on Ubuntu and Fedora and OpenSUSE. Arch is not for someone stepping into the space, because it uses the rolling release model, and you have to be a more advanced user because literally in their documentation they made a statement that they dont even want to hear about your problems but instead hear how you fixed them.

[@1boi593]

are you currently a freelancer?

[@gibarel]

Whenever you try it again, go with fedora, stability was your main problem, and random breaking doesn't happen on distros like fedora and debian. Also, the whole point of vanilla arch is the insane control over what you install, so if you really want arch (rolling release and all) but don't want to go through the hassle of setting it up go with endeavorOS. And you can game fairly well on Linux, sure there is still a lot of games that don't work, but that's mainly anti cheat and developers refusing to enable it, I've been playing on Linux for a bit more than a year now and I only boot windows once every blue moon to play vr (perks of buying a quest I guess)

[@johnhuntersanders5897]

The luke smith references in this video are pretty spot on.

[@LeMonke3]

I started cracking up at 6:32 lol

[@bhutchin1996]

I started using Linux 25 years ago and I've run a lot of different distros, including early versions of Red Hat and SuSE. I currently run Endeavour OS, which is as close as you can get to Arch without using Arch itself. The main benefit of using Arch or an Arch-based distro Is the software repositories. They're usually kept quite current. If you're taking a course on Krita 5, for example, you might be stuck with Krita 4 depending on your distro. Same for Godot 3 and 4. As for someone new to Linux, I'd recommend Mint or Zorin OS, maybe even MX, all Debian-based distros.

[@ivanov83]

I use Linux based OSs often because it is easier to do a lot of things related to my work and hobbies on Linux rather than on different OS. While I tried a lot of distros, familiar with a lot of system internals, have deep understanding of a lot of things in Linux and can probably be considered as a “hardcore” user, I usually stick to the most average and boring Ubuntu unless my goals include something related to the newest, freshest bleeding edge kernel features, which is a rare case really. I don’t usually advice random people to use Linux unless they have a solid understanding why they really need to use it (and they don’t need my advice in this case), but I use Linux with a great pleasure myself, and will keep doing it. Most distros did a really big step forward in being newbie-friendly in the last few years, btw, so who knows? I’ll be the first to celebrate a success of Linux in the desktop segment. Also, IMHO, all this “visual customization” that often attracts new people to go and try Linux is not even a thing. The customization power of Linux is in its different internal tools and approaches, that what has matter, not the cool neofetch screenshots in r/unixporn (though they are cool too)

[@mokurai8233]

I'm in the same boat. Tried different distros for years and am now back to Windows (11). I don't regret the time spent on learning linux but I don't want to waste any more of it.

[@nicolassouza__]

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux,” and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

[@denizylmaz8131]

This "test" is like racing at a mountain pass when you havent ever driven a car before and saying that cars are too dangerous. And you quoted TechLead.

[@UnderdogThe1]

I use Ubuntu because I like linux customization options, shortcuts, keyboard remapping, shell script automatization, installing things by pasting commands in the terminal etc because those are stuff that saves me a lot of time and indeed increase my productivty in a lot of things as a developer, BUT stability is also a MUST for me, and I would hate to go for hours through documentation to simply change a desktop wallpaper. So while I love Ubuntu, I don't see much to gain from the perspective of a non-tech user. Just my humble opinion though.

[@commandprompt7171]

I'm a simple man, I install Debian with cinnamon, download a cool theme from gnomelook, I download content from the internet so I don't have to worry about viruses, create my own bash scripts, and dualboot to play games

[@akin242002]

Team Dualboot for the win 🏆!

[@brgl61]

An underrated aspect of using Linux for practical purposes is community documentation. All operating systems have bugs. You are more likely to find a well-documented solution when it's Linux. I actually triple boot Windows, MacOS (hackintosh) and Arch, and I use each for stuff where it more or less "just works" with the least issues - Arch with KDE as my daily development driver, MacOS (hackintosh) for creative stuff, and Windows for occasional gaming.

[@RainbowVision]

Idk how long you've tried to daily drive Linux, but on your first year of using it at all, don't use Arch. Something like Pop!_OS would've been better with normal GNOME or KDE. Also, Arch Linux isn't something for hardcore users necessarily. I'm not saying I use Windows or Apple, but I'm the kind of person Arch appeals to, yet still VERY casual.

[@MemeHero]

Hey! I see your comments all the time on these kinds of videos. Love your stuff! (And this stuff as well, duh!)

[@RainbowVision]

@@MemeHero Haha thanks I guess :P I just get Linux stuff recommended all the time.

[@Looser_23]

first year? More like first month.

[@RainbowVision]

@@Looser_23 It depends, some people learn quickly while others want to wait a while or maybe don't want to try out Arch Linux at all.

[@HeathenHacks]

11:17 Why did you use Arch or that obscure window manager, btw?

[@Extravi]

I just use arch kde

[@HeathenHacks]

@@Extravi Why not Debian? If you watched Linux KZbinrs, most of them suggested to pick a Debian/Arch-based distro and not pure Arch/Debian. I would know, because I only switched 5-6 months ago. I use an arch-based/derivative distro (not pure arch) + kde as well. You did have some good points, tho. In my case, it's the bluetooth and not WiFi. I do just want to point out that installing programs does not mostly happen on the command line as you said. On Arch+KDE, maybe. Because quite a few programs are not on Discover yet and would need to be installed by using Arch's repository.

[@Extravi]

@@HeathenHacks arch is fine for me because I only update it once a week or after 2 weeks I don't install software often so it's been stable for me I also started using Linux 2 years ago at one point I used Gentoo Linux

[@Extravi]

@@HeathenHacks I am not sure what points I have made that you're talking about have we talked before?

[@HeathenHacks]

@@Extravi Some good points you made (according to me) or maybe "points" is not a right word to use? (I'm not sure) 1. "It was very time consuming" (when configuring things) 2. "Linux is kind of fun to try out" 3. Reliability issues (on Arch) (which was to be expected, since it's a rolling release) No, we haven't. I'm just commenting on your video that was recommended to me.

[@supking403]

What is the best version of Linux to ensure that federal agents can’t track md

[@gaurabgain2782]

fedoraa 37 workstation

[@Taylor_5724]

so this is why I use ubuntu and not arch. rolling release is just too unstable

[@estebanconejeros5284]

I lost more time trying and failing to fix windows after an obligatory update than Linux , who I choose when to update

[@rad1234321]

I much appreciate your insights about computing, and life in general - you are spot on regarding the European experience versus that in an ex-British colony - speaking as someone born in Europe , but having lived in yet another British ex-colony. However , I am worried, that a guy as astute, and switched-on as yourself , commenting on the Linux versus Windows experience - you make no mention of the big elephant in the small room. Privacy, telemetry, and the ability, and fundamental right to be in control of a machine and os you have paid for with your money and time. As far as politics and ideology goes, which is what you bring up, its a big fat elephant you have totally ignored.

[@scottlott3794]

I’ve had exactly the same experience with daily driving Linux for my workstation. Works well 99% of the time but has odd, annoying quirks way too often.

[@quantumbits1952]

I agree and disagree with the title of this video Yes you need time and patience to learn Linux (literally any skill not just Linux) It's worth it But I learnt a lot of things starting off with just installating a distro If I had not come out of the windows comfort zone I wouldn't have learnt anything about the tech behind it I started off with Linux just because it uses less system resources (ram) and I was blown away on how fast and responsive (Xubuntu) Linux was compared to windows ON THE SAME OLD COMPUTER and consuming wayy less ram if anything in Linux failed on me , I used to learn something new , I don't regret fixing that. I am a dev so Linux has just made my workflow better You really don't have to use Linux , if you don't have a perticular use case But TRY IT BEFORE YOU HATE IT

[@johnnyirish9852]

As a dev on windows, you have WSL and then you also have docker of course, which makes you completley independent of the OS running on your machine.

[@v01d_r34l1ty]

​@@johnnyirish9852 I don't actually know why Windows added WSL2 other than to get Unix tools and for building for Linux. It seems rather pointless to add a whole ass operating system to your operating system that's not acting as its own dedicated machine (i.e. a virtual machine), especially when your own users are swearing your OS can already do everything Linux can do. I understand WINE as it's a lightweight runtime for Windows applications rather than the whole ass OS since Windows just has more software support... Edit: Maybe it's for Docker development, but that'd be weird that Microsoft added the implementation then rather than Docker itself.

[@johnnyirish9852]

@@v01d_r34l1ty There is docker desktop for windows, for that WSL is not needed. I think windows want to be the OS for everyone, you can now run linux software, you can also run android apps. They want to provide flexibility. I don't know about WSA (Windows Subsystem for Android) but I am using WSL and I like it a lot.

[@v01d_r34l1ty]

@@johnnyirish9852 yeah but this is Microsoft we’re talking about LOL, but with what you said in mind, they could be trying to cater more toward the Enterprise development market where they’d make the most money outside of Azure and the Consumer market just benefits out of coincidence. Remember Microsoft ❤️ Linux? LOL

[@curioso4762]

i tried to use arch, but to encrypt the disk as the ubuntu and kali do when installing, after weeks trying i gave up of using it. Wiki pages are all wrong and say different things from each other.

[@AnoNymous-2013]

you followed the wrong tutorial then.

[@curioso4762]

@@AnoNymous-2013 i followed the official wiki pages from Arch.

[@AnoNymous-2013]

@@curioso4762 I followed that one and managed to do it without any trouble

[@curioso4762]

@@AnoNymous-2013 after more than 5 years seems like they fixed the wiki

[@estancianews7837]

I am not a coder, devop, or anything fancy. However, I use open source software in order to skirt big tech censorship. Thus, I use Linux in order to launch web facing open source software. Be it WordPress, matrix, or other FOSS, Linux skirts big tech censorship.

[@krunkle5136]

Indeed. Not that corporations are fully evil, but it's best to have all your content locally controlled just in case they want to delete a show off a site due to rights restrictions etc.

[@estancianews7837]

@@krunkle5136 Exactly. I like to manage my own WordPress instance on my own Nginx web server. Managed WordPress is garbage. Matrix is far superior to Telegram for encrypted messaging, too. All around, when I use Linux it is to make my life easier.

[@jimmyking92]

I use Ubuntu with KDE on an 7 years old Lenovo laptop dualbooted with win10. If I hadn't the need to use Microsoft Office for my work (Libreoffice doesn't cover my needs) I would have deleted win10 all along. I'm also learning Android dev on Ubuntu, installed Intellij and Android Studio with Snap, Kotlin will run at bash after typing just two commands. Everything just works fine. You can install a distro like Ubuntu and Mint and play with bash and enhance your Linux knowledge with no pain, instead of going face on Arch or something similar that needs customization.

[@MonteLogic]

But your commentary related to certain Linux users affinity for Libertarianism is certainly spot on.

[@JEffinger]

Nah we are actually communist

[@MonteLogic]

@@JEffinger no, communists don't like bitcoin or the ethos behind it. Communism is centered around a central bank and the state having control over assets.

[@JEffinger]

@@MonteLogic lol never mentioned Bitcoin. Linux was around long beyond bitcoin and will be long after that ponzi scheme collapses

[@MonteLogic]

@@JEffinger if you would've watched the video closely, he made a point on how the ethos of bitcoin and open source operating systems are similar

[@JEffinger]

​@@MonteLogic Bro I watched the video. I was responding to you. Saying how linux users had an affinity for agreeing with his 'linux users are libretarians' thing. I asserted that wasn't true. FOSS users are more Communist than anything. Nor is bitcoin and FOSS anything like similar. Artificially scarcity digital gold is nothing like FOSS.

[@AlexandreHenriquePinheiro]

In my opinion the mentality of an actual linux user (the one that used windows and switched) is that they like to have more control over down to the metal resources, so it can be optimized. That's why we see lots of old pc's ressurections using linux

[@NarayanLoke]

Well, the thing is that most people in the world prefer their OS to be a layer of abstraction that they need not worry about. Like, on a Windows environment most people would be even super pissed off if they see the BSOD errors for buffer overflows and would be frustrated to no end. On the other hand, if you are using Linux, you gotta be prepared and stay on your toes when any such error occurs. 8 years back, I switched completely to Linux (I was terrible at gaming and drawing as well, so never needed any games or graphic design suites) and my initial days were ruined by lot of configuration headaches but I slowly gained immunity to those problems. The real reward of using Linux is the fact that you can think more intrinsically in terms of how a computer would process a certain thing. This might not be something every person would be actually interested in learning or knowing. As I had to learn Embedded Linux back in the day and had a lot of old laptops to experiment things right from fancy bootloaders, filesystem hacks, playing around with device drivers, etc. So, it was deep-dive journey for me but even I never understood the hardcore Linux enthusiasm but would say that now I don't find Windows that interesting of a prospect.

[@eagledee7753]

The philosophy behind linux is not to get it for free. Free is not used as in free cheese, it is free in the sense of freedom, because you can do whatever you want with it, even change it and sell it, maybe learn it well and offer your services to other entities and make money. How do you think RedHat came to exists and ended up being one of the biggest purchases in the history of computing, wen IBM bought it?. The philosophy behind Linux is to recover control over the computer by having a UNIX-like system that allows the use of a complete shell and is not bloated with tons of bullcrap (cough, cough, OSX...). Once you learn to do things around in the shell you can customize your own system, and create your own scripts which can do really a lot, because there is tons of tools that you can pipe with each other and redirect to any output you like. I'm saving time because of Linux and my scripts, I wouldn't come back to Windblows even if I get paid to do so. There is a reason why some people don't get to understand this power, it all comes to being in an era in which people are convinced there is no time, everybody watches stupid short videos and are in a freaking hurry (to waste their time I guess...), such in a hurry that we waste time trying to do things fast. If you really stop and learn proper shell scripting, even having the most basic graphic environment is a bless, because once you learn the damned thing your life is solved in the blink of an eye. In comparison the totally overrated windblows desktop experience actually sucks big deal I must say. I use Arch, btw ...😝and the reason for using it is that I actually like customizing the system exactly as I want it. I even create my own buttons and small programs to rule the way my desktop environment responds to my needs.

[@yungifez]

I started using homestead and vagrant for development It helped me a lot, now I use WSL

[@lardosian]

Have started using wsl2 and it seems to work perfectly so far, everything I have installed works perfectly using the command line, and I'm no genius at all!!

[@smolbirb4]

I strongly believe that there is no justifiable reason to ever use any apple product especially macs

[@akin242002]

Great video. I'm not a Linux cult guy (level 6), but I looked into it after Google started unblocking adblockers. It wasn't for me to devote that much time. I still use a dual boot through WSL (Ubuntu) on a PC with Windows OS. It's the best of both worlds. Ubuntu for python coding, Windows for C# (.Net), and Windows for bug fixes and reliability.

[@LoLgAmEsViNz]

I'm at the softcore level, did a lot of distro hopping but ultimately I remain with Linux Mint for it's stability, semplicity and just overall reliability. I like the cinnamon desktop. On a 8 year old laptop, with and SSD it runs fine for everything I want to do One thing is I tried gaming but it just didn't work. Probably because the laptop is too old.

[@edgarcontreras3863]

The node bug ticket was for windows 7. It was a node issue, not a linux issue. I get your point and I agree with it, but the node example was really weak.

[@lukaszads95]

You can set up it once, make regular backups and then use it for as long as your hardware allows, or even beyond if you know how to copy dot files from your home folder. That's what I do for the last 10 years and I don't have to think about it a lot.

[@mendoxx097]

if you want a reliable machine to work on just never use Arch, it's awesome but it breaks often on some programs you may be using, Debian-based can be slower and have disadvantages but if you don't mess that much around and only build stuff for work they just work forever and ever. Anyway, that was a very nice reflection you gave at the end, thanks for the content.

[@ketchup901]

Arch never breaks as long as you configure it right the first time and don't do partial upgrades. If something breaks read the homepage cause it's usually caused by an update that needs manual intervention (happens like once a year and takes 10 seconds to fix).

[@robotron1236]

BS, Arch only breaks if you breathe solely with your mouth and drool at idle.

[@fubaralakbar6800]

I have been a Linux user since 2009. I'm not elite at all, although I do know my tech pretty well. And I can tell you, there is nothing difficult about the average main-stream Linux distro, such as Ubuntu, Manjaro, or Solus. All of these have graphical software managers, so anyone can install software easily. For running Windows programs, you need Wine, and while Wine can't run absolutely everything, it can run most things, and even give decent performance. Overall, Linux is, at the very least, just as good as Windows/Mac, and a whole lot cheaper.

[@sk8ersteve]

I have neither posted to unixporn nor memorized the entire arch installation process, but have instead created a git repo that I can easily clone from live usb to install all my packages and dotfiles (which are in another git repo).

[@NoName66426]

I’m a dev ops engineer. Work on a MacBook, only use Linux when I have to such as EC2 instances or docker

[@mosk8570]

It's always welcoming when the comment section is full of good advice and interesting stories from people trying to help. Greetings to all of you.

[@PGtheVRguy]

As someone who's messed with Ubuntu, Linux Mint, and Steam OS3, I've mostly found it a fun hobby with benefits.

[@thomasollinger8367]

So where's the political spectrum?

[@treighpedroche1516]

Honestly, it is impossible to understand the history, politics, appeal, and emotions of the Linux ecosystem in just a few months... there is so much history and so much experience that needs to be gained actually using various distros for various projects over various years and being forced to interact with the various communities... as a desktop Linux user of 17 years now, I still miss a lot. This is a cute 101 intro for people who maybe don't even know what Linux is I guess...

[@kelvinnkat]

Installing through an app store is probably about as common as using the command line for average users, probably much more common

[@peppefailla1630]

Bruh there's a lot of mistification. Nowadays we have graphical package managers and stores

[@emperorpicard4901]

npm won't work on arch with wifi? That is really strange. Tbh it sounds to me that it is more likely a npm problem and not a arch problem. But if you can connect to wifi then npm should not have a problem, so something really strange is going on.

[@firstdingus]

The issue you showed in the video said, that npm wasn't working on Windows 7, so what does that have to do with arch linux?

[@lanceg1312]

the last level is when you quit the unix porn, ditch arch, and go back to linux mint where you don't really need to do much to maintain it but get all the benefits of still being a linux person

[@peteraldrich8385]

People have many preferences and use cases for operating systems. I typically stick with more stable Linux distros such as Ubuntu or Fedora using it for automation, distributed computing, and machine learning services. I am usually using either windows laptop or Mac to either manage Linux systems, development, and integrate/test my code to the Linux system.

[@siangmingalexlau8220]

There are good reasons why beginner-friendly distros such as Linux Mint exist.

[@jazzyniko]

Level 6 or level 5? 🤔

[@jonathanrealman8415]

Honestly, you went about this a lil wrong. If you want something to "just work" go with a just work distro. Fedora is good, PopOS did have the apt blunder once but that's in the past.