Can Strength Training And Crossfit Coexist? - Starting Strength Radio Clips

Rip answers the age-old question...can crossfit and getting strong happen at the same time?
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[@soakingbook]

The only way to settle this is for Rip to compete in the Crossfit Games.

[@heeebeeegeeebeee]

Haha yes!

[@yetigriff]

Against Glassman

[@heeebeeegeeebeee]

yetigriff I would pay good money to see that

[@jerrycunningham1820]

Mark would not do well in Crossfit. Of course that is not what he trains for either. Mark believes ss I do that strength training is more important than exorcise. After a bit of time exorcise offers very little. I am 54 now a d stronger than I have ever been.

[@mikea6710]

In all seriousness, I suppose he could, but as a coach... He would be a great asset to whomever he is representing/representing him

[@oah8465]

The video got me the moment it said "crossfit". Knew this one is gonna be epic.

[@BryonLape]

I get "hot and sweaty" doing my 5's with hip drive.

[@ericdaniel323]

Heavy squat workouts are a recipe for a puddle of sweat on my garage gym floor.

[@ohmytoshi]

under optimal weight :)

[@roblime8438]

It's hip drhaavve.

[@unsertainley]

If you like it, you like it. Have some fun, be responsible, and choose your priorities in life.

[@joebloggs6922]

Enjoyment is the most under appreciated element. Everyone wants everything to be optimal whereas, if you aren't competitive in whatever you do, then the most important thing is that you enjoy what you are doing (as long as that isn't sitting on the couch eating doughnuts lol).

[@ericwiley1210]

If I had to answer the question: Make the first 45 minutes strictly good, real strength training. Then, do 7 minutes AMRAP chin ups, then a 7 minute, team based prowler conditioning finisher. They are paying to feel sweaty and tired, so that will keep you in business, and, 14 total minutes of chins and concentric-only cardio will not actually get in the way of strength.

[@ohmytoshi]

very rigid plan, dude

[@joejoejohnson8310]

무명인 just provide assistance bands to people that can’t do chin-ups, and lighter prowler work for people who are a little weaker. You could also add in some kind of time-limited core work. Extremely flexible and actually worthwhile gpp work

[@senselessnothing]

just my squats take 45 minutes

[@msn769]

50 mins strength training, 10 mins of vigorous fapping to starting strength videos, that's a workout.

[@anthonyplaysbass]

@@msn769 hell yeah dude

[@marcuscoetzee5686]

Very informative. Thanks.

[@CTG01]

My wife used to subscribe to “it’s not a workout unless you’re hot and sweaty” until I got her strength training and she went from not being able to press a 15kg women’s bar to pressing 85lbs in 3 months

[@hyungjoonpark83]

Good for you!

[@oy3930]

Why did you switch from kg to lb?

[@naiustheyetti]

@@oy3930 because who wants to convert what 15kg is to pounds when we know the bar is a 15kg bar and the weight she was using for the press is in lb

[@TAZS]

@8:05 probably the most ACCURATE description of CrossFitters I've ever heard, I'm both offended and amused 😂 Rip is a legend!!!!

[@ioncasu9825]

Basically the answer to everything is strength training.

[@anthonycruz5569]

Or Hip drive

[@suntzu7727]

And drinking 10 gallons of milk every day.

[@jms0313]

Yea

[@edwinprado5620]

How and where do we submit questions for RIP to review on his podcasts?

[@Odysseus201]

At the end of the day, it comes down to your objectives and motivations. I personally have a hard time staying motivated with just weights. It’s very boring to me. Crossfit has kept me motivated to regularly get my butt in the gym. Will I get as strong as if I focused on weights? I’m sure I won’t. But if I can’t get my butt in the gym for weights, then I don’t even get that benefit. I also decided a cardio component is important to me, and I enjoy the HIIT workouts. And I do supplement with weightlifting on some of my off days. If you have a specific goal, like strength, then I think there are specific paths that are best suited, like weight lifting. And you can supplement with cardio on your off days. Crossfit has kept me in the gym and I’ve added workouts around it. The best workout is what works for you and keeps you working out. I wish I had realized that at the beginning of my fitness journey. Most of us aren’t training to be olympic athletes or pro bodybuilders. If you are, then this doesn’t apply to you

[@ohmytoshi]

That's exactly "the exercise". (not training) BTW, no offense I just wanted to mention the type you've been doing.

[@stevepace-first8617]

Maybe "objectives and motivations" are shaped by what one thinks is contributing to health and performance. which of course can be very different to what actually contributes to health and performance. The idea of mixing up a whole spectrum of activities randomly will only take you so far, but the theoretical construct is appealing and until you know better, likely appeals to many more people than a focussed programme.

[@Odysseus201]

steve sutton nowhere did I advocate for random workouts. I’m not sure what you are referring to

[@stevepace-first8617]

OK, random is too extreme a word to describe crossfit approach, I accept it has certain parameters.

[@kennedy473]

Just make sure you have a decent form

[@ciandunphy7888]

If I was to answer this question I would tell him to do different modalities on different days. Such as strength work only on a certain session, conditioning on a different day or sessions. No you won’t get as strong as if you did only strength work but you will be stronger then if you did the part a part b approach and it can allow you to build up different skills and technique better

[@intergalactic4160]

So if I can get my squat to 400 pounds I’ll be able to pass physical exam ruin a iron contest ?

[@BryonLape]

Rip is right about conditioning while doing strength training. I just did a video about a study of twins in Australia and one of the things noted by the researchers was an increase in endurance from strength training, but not the other way around. The researchers were surprised by this.

[@Rothbardy]

Because resistance training is dumb

[@craigcrawford6749]

because most researchers are idiots with zero real life experience

[@joejoejohnson8310]

But what about a third control group who would add a reasonable amount of conditioning to supplement the strength training. Doing one doesn’t mean you can’t do the other as well as long as you take into account recovery etc

[@im_reyz8780]

@@craigcrawford6749 you're idiot

[@james3876]

Doesn't seem like some of the responders here actually read what you wrote.

[@fusiongains]

I did a long term strength cycle. Max lifts went up a lot. My conditioning is shit. Maybe you can make a video elaborating on that? You said “their conditioning goes up, every single time.” In what? After 3 months of only strength, I went to run a mile and almost died.

[@JackgarPrime]

I think he's talking about people who started out completely untrained. Which are the main target of SS as a program. You should still make time for some steady state cardio that won't interfere with your barbell training, though.

[@fusiongains]

@@JackgarPrime right, so that's kind of a nonsense statement. Yes, doing anything will improve nothing lol

[@leonharmon5147]

Same thing happens to me. Lungs on fire after a long lay off. But my time always improves.

[@gordo608]

0:38 just giving the people what they want.

[@dr.t2027]

Very interesting as I did feel my strength stalled fairly quickly doing crossfit in comparison to my experience doing Wendler's 5/3/1. Aesthetically, I may have had a more desirable physique doing crossfit, although my calorie count was much higher on 5/3/1

[@lonle6506]

Guys will eat like a fatty and complain about the program

[@dr.t2027]

@@lonle6506 I have trouble understanding why one needs to eat so many calories, as excess calories get stored as fat and don't really contribute to performance. Unless you are a scrawny teenager trying to make the football team, I don't know why you would do it

[@AbcDino843]

@@dr.t2027 If there was a way for you to know exactly how many calories you need to cover the recovery as well as muscle growth, you could progress without any unnecessary weight gain. But, as most people do not know how much they need, it's better to err on the side of too much, hence the advice.

[@dr.t2027]

@@AbcDino843 Thank you

[@stevepace-first8617]

@@dr.t2027 A From experience I know that simply gaining a lot of weight whilst training very hard gets numbers on the bar. I think I went from 180-132-230kg at 80kg bodyweight and within six months got to 215-150-270 at 100kg. form there it was not too difficult to go back down to 90kg bw and preserve most of the gains. Numbers are ipf raw, no banned substances. Would I have done any better by a more prudent method? Maybe, but the process of training and eating hard is enjoyable. I tend to think that it is easier to divide training into phases where one focusses on some aspect. Sometimes you are concentrating on body composition, sometimes on the numbers. Trying to be perfect all the time is a big constraint. Usually I just eat and drink a lot of what I like in summer time, enjoy the weather, the beer etc. Eventually the blubber gets a little uncomfortable and its time to take a different approach.

[@wilbur63wb]

So, as a 58 y.o. who is just starting with the program (just into my second week), am I doing myself a disservice by incorporating hiit workouts on the air bike after training?

[@jms0313]

Good question Im a triathlete and I’ve completely dropped all triathlon training to focus on the Novice LP and it’s hard. Im tempted to do a 30 min bike or run after the workout. But maybe I’ll just focus on strength

[@Whatsahandle4]

Here in comunist occupied Seattle if you want to go to the gym you must make an appointment and pay 10 dollars ontop of monthly gym payment. When they open. They are closed right now. Im tempted to move to idaho/Montana/utah/ or texas.

[@stevepace-first8617]

The proletarian revolution and strength training can coexist.

[@JackgarPrime]

If they're charging you 10 bucks per session, that's not communism, bro.

[@andres91cr]

From experience Ive seen my strength PRs grow way faster than my cardio if I focus on strength training alone. My cardio even regresses. How can I gain cardio without doing the extra cardio?

[@thomasgrabowski2202]

Experiment bro. Try different things. Maybe battle rope? I don't know tbh.

[@AlexWitoslawski]

What about those of us who train a sport recreationally and want to get stronger - but strength isn't our primary goal? For example, I train Brazilian jiu-jitsu 4-6 times per week. I want to get stronger to get better at BJJ, but I understand my BJJ training conflicts with my strength training. Is there anything else I should know besides "train 2-3 times per week, compound movements only, 3 sets of 5," etc.?

[@K4R3N]

Yeah I'm a tennis player. I don't want to stop playing tennis. It's fun and good aerobic exercise and there's a social and competitive benefit. It would suck to drop tennis for 3-6 months just to deadlift 350lbs.

[@K4R3N]

I also want to "get stronger" generally. Not entering any strength competitions. I'm 45y dad with a full-time job. 225lb bench fahve reps was my best in college. Would be happy just to reach that again while continuing to play tennis 3x/week. I'm fine with a lean strong soccer/tennis player physique. Those guys are in "good shape" I would say.

[@Stanleysforlife12]

ATTN: Rip/Starting Strength Production crew. Can you guys get the Atilis Gym guys on for some coverage/exposure. What's happening to them is something out of the 1930's Weimar Republic. Thanks.

[@jeffswaney3444]

So the high intensity CrossFit style workout results in reaching a very high heart rate. I understand that reaching a high heart rate for a short period of time is very good for the heart and results in a low resting heart rate. If you train for strength, how do you achieve a low resting heart rate if your cardio consists of low intensity walking? Would love to hear some comments. Right now I am trying to figure out how to balance these two styles. It sounds like Rip Believes that you can’t balance the two And you should focus on strength.

[@octanevius]

2:18 he meant relatively low intensity, high rep work on the aerobic side of the metabolic spectrum, is antithetical to strength development, not high intensity glycolytic work, which can be useful, as is also explained in his own books. Or am I mistaken?

[@freneticfanatic]

HIIT and Crossfit are not one in the same. There's some overlap sometimes, yes, but you can't do 90+ percent maximal effort for an hour- Crossfit becomes more akin to cardio than HIIT in many programming circumstances which is metabolically incompatible with strength training. Imo, strength training plus HIIT is The Way.

[@octanevius]

​@@freneticfanatic Yeah but is the problem with Crossfit 'high intensity glycolytic work'? If a Crossfit workout is more akin to slow and steady cardio then the problem is non-specific metabolic adaptations and not enough disruption of homeostasis for strength, but that is not high intensity glycolytic work. If the workout is high intensity work with minimal rest, the problems are more often fatiguing the lifter to the point of technical breakdown, possibly accumulating too much fatigue, poor efficiency resulting in sub-optimal progressive overload and possibly the added trouble of sudden and unbalanced loads on parts of the body that may not have been gradually trained to be adapted to handle it. But high intensity glycolytic work is not the issue.

[@Tyler-oh6bw]

Speaking the truth. I did all that crossfit, HITT cardio, calisthenics and military fitness crap throughout the years (Military crap was mandatory). Now I barbell strength train 3, sometimes 2, days a week. I'm stronger than I have ever been. Less back and neck pain. Its like a secret in the fitness industry. Crazy stuff!

[@ohmytoshi]

Focus always comes first.

[@nncs]

Did you stop all the other stuff entirely? I think if I only did barbell 2-3 times a week I would feel lazy or could/should be doing more.

[@Tyler-oh6bw]

@@nncs I felt the same way! The fitness industry makes you feel like you should be destroying yourself 5 days a week. Its nonsense. I have so much more time for other things. Look, I'm 35 years old. If I can accomplish more by doing less, I'll do it.

[@Tyler-oh6bw]

Do the program! You will not regret it.

[@nncs]

@@Tyler-oh6bw Still a young man! :-) I think I am addicted to the endorphins and enjoy working out with buddies. Will try an experiment backing off this winter to see if it works for me. Thanks for the insight!

[@Abraham_Kist-Okazaki]

This why Rip keeps all that weight in his midsection. That way his bodyweight squats are never air squats.

[@stevepace-first8617]

I do 531. Despite Wendler I do not condition bar a daily 5k walk as I have big dogs.. My thought is what is enough for getting all health benefits while pursuing strength. Often I incorporate emom heavy swings, 48kg, as assistance, 10 sets, approx 70 teps all told. Is this covering my health and not hurting strength,?

[@im_reyz8780]

531 is not a good program

[@AbcDino843]

​@@im_reyz8780 That's nonsense. Like starting strength, 531 will work for people for a period of time, then you have to change. You can cycle 531 back in periodically with success.

[@im_reyz8780]

@@AbcDino843 how doing a program with less volume than the NLP could work for non novices? that is nonsense

[@AbcDino843]

@@im_reyz8780 What kind of lifter are you talking about, with what kind of recovery ability? Age? Gender? What's their goal? Work and family situation? It is absolute nonsense to generalize and say it's not a good program. 531 is a great program for people with limited recovery ability, not a lot of time to work out, people who's goal is to keep improving for a long period of time for the purpose of better quality of life. At the same time, it's not a great program for most female lifters, young lifters, anyone who wants to reach elite performance levels etc. There is value in running 531, for a little bit, for almost everyone who's just finished NLP. It will introduce a wave cycle into their training, and point them in the direction of block periodization.

[@shleefin]

@@AbcDino843​ @Im_Reyz 87 531 is a set/rep template for the core lifts (sq/dl/bp/op). It is not a complete program. It sounds like neither of you have actually read Wendler's books, in which he describes numerous complete "programs" that use the 531 template for the core lifts, and some of these have a ton of volume. Go throw Wendler a few bucks and read his books.

[@nestoralvarado5010]

Westside Barbell? Didn't Lou do seminars in CrossFit

[@ericdaniel323]

Getting strong is a long and slow process. Getting conditioned is a relatively quick one. Why not spend 3-4 months on hard strength training and then mix it up with a few weeks of endurance/conditioning focus?

[@HAL-dm1eh]

According to Andy Baker and Dr Sullivan HIIT can be incorporated right into LP and beyond. But then HIIT can also be highly structured and trained.

[@craigcrawford6749]

Why? what you say makes exactly no sense. lift heavy for 3-4 months, get strong, add muscle, and then run like an idiot, lose weight, consume muscle mass, and put your body into a constant state of inflammation. Great idea!!!

[@ericdaniel323]

@@craigcrawford6749 don't hyperbolize. Adjusting your rep ranges and doing a little more cardio isn't going to kill your gains.

[@AbcDino843]

If all someone does are fives, that someone may be strong but is in a fairly shitty shape overall. I know from personal experience. Strength, general conditioning and joint mobility are three things that should all be at a decent level for someone to really feel good. Considering that the latter two help strength training, they could and should be incorporated into a strength focused program.

[@herbertkoehler7041]

@@craigcrawford6749 It's periodization. Programming training blocks that focus on one component of fitness while giving others a break results in overall greater culmination of fitness. Muscular endurance, hypertrophy, strength, etc. The problem with crossfire is that it doesn't respect the concept of periodization and bastardizes the purpose of certain exercises.

[@federiconunezavila6610]

but what about crossfit and hip drahve couch ?

[@carloslaboy4279]

You ask them not to condition, but how are they going to improve their VO2 Max?

[@bvons75]

Its called Starting Strength not Starting VO2Max

[@bvons75]

Also in many other videos Rip is for conditioning but “his way”. He wants to see people using the prowler. No DOMS that way.

[@fabioq6916]

Has it ever occurred to Rip that some people don't want to just be stronger? That they want to be fit, agile and aesthetic?

[@porter4856]

No.

[@RussellGilder]

Never crossed his mind

[@alrbredwall]

Then don't ask a strength coach about if your aesthetic routine is good for strength purposes. It is dumb.

[@astang1072]

You misspelled “thin, fragile, and pathetic”

[@eyesonsamuel8361]

What is your take on Jo Lindner's death and aneurysm?

[@jms0313]

So do the CrossFit pros train for the CrossFit games by doing CrossFit

[@crashgsxr750]

Atoning for something 🤣

[@damionjackson1743]

The one thing I will say is CrossFit at least removes machines out of the gym Personally I think commercial gyms should be structured more like powerlifting, olympic weightlifting, and CrossFit gyms remove machines.

[@Xplora213]

Machines are good for trainees who are ready for them! There are no bad exercises or equipment, just bad programming. Except wall balls. Wtf were they thinking?

[@mikeb9396]

Xplora213 I’m pretty sure wall balls were invented by somebody who absolutely enjoys annoying the living shit out of everybody else in the gym.

[@Xplora213]

Mike B 😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😅😅😂😂🤣😂😂😂😅😅

[@damionjackson1743]

I think some machines have there places for aesthetics and a few for strength the hack squat and leg press and some cables for some face pulls but by in large machines are waste of time ,money And space from a training economy prospective why would any waste time on machines when you can get the same aesthetics and the strength and health benefits with barbells and other free weights not to mention far lower cost to keep up with upkeep cost but at the end of the day I think it’s a consumer ignorance problem.

[@Xplora213]

Damion jackson well of course they are a damn waste of space and money 😝 Give a man a barbell, a rack and bench, plates, dumbbells and bands, some chains, he’ll be happy forever. Machines are the single greatest scam in fitness - useful for an elite few, useless to most, Anne pad out a big space with zero support. Problem is that it’s hard to justify charging for barbells and plates if you aren’t helping your customer!

[@joejoejohnson8310]

I think doing some gpp work at the end wouldn’t be antithetical to strength. It’s what most strongmen do to train. Those are the strongest guys, and they all have to train conditioning in addition to strength. (I know the pros take gear, but that isn’t an argument against a little gpp work.)

[@ohmytoshi]

The thing is that strong men are already strong and then they implement conditioning workouts.

[@joejoejohnson8310]

무명인 I generally agree with what Rip and you are saying, but it shouldn’t be so dogmatic about 100% no conditioning. Even if you can improve every health factor by just building a strength base, that doesn’t mean that a little conditioning can’t possibly help. Maybe I’m putting too much faith in the CrossFit guy to not do ridiculously overboard and random conditioning.

[@frankb2602]

There can be only..ONE!!

[@kylem4809]

I remember reading an article that talked about how “CrossFit” can lead to Rhabdomyolysis. I don’t know if that’s correct or not but I did read another article recently of a woman who didn’t give herself time to rest constantly beating her body up and ended up getting Rhabdomyolysis from kettlebell training. People need to know resting isn’t a bad thing lol. And honestly all these competitors in CrossFit are on enhancements some form of PeDS No way a normal person can beat their body up a year straight and not get sick from it.

[@anthonyplaysbass]

Any sustained high level exertion for a while can lead to rhabdo. Sprints, hard cycling for an unreasonable amount of time etc.

[@zm0rc]

They get tested randomly through the year...anyone caught doping is outed publicly, your theory of ped use is wrong.

[@joebloggs6922]

@@zm0rc Most olympic athletes get tested yet they are all on drugs lol. Testing is not as effective or random as people think. It's very easy to pass through by using substances with a very short half life.

[@Xplora213]

Dear Mark, you are going to have to establish the research that enables you to rest your hat on Strength Over All Other Goals. You have spoken on military PT and so forth in the past. Injury rates. It would be good to be refreshed on those - you speak about fives ad nauseum, we need this other stuff repeated as well. The most powerful case that I have is me. I am not very strong BUT the training to develop what I have has been life changing and life affirming. My cardio sucks but I only have to walk up the stairs without being breathless. Strength training works. And you don’t have to succeed at it to kick ass.

[@binyamj]

I trained HIT bodybuilding, based on Dorian Yates' training style. I became very big (245-ish) and very strong. I was deadlifting 585 for reps, squatting 450 for reps, etc. I would do 3 working sets of 10-12 reps, then all out to failure for 8-12 reps. I understand that I could have been stronger, if I solely trained for strength, but bodybuilding was/is the goal. I was outlifting many of the powerlifters in my gym though.

[@duckslayer11000]

Cool story bro.

[@Whosyourdaddy21]

I just want to see Rip judge CrossFit pull-ups just to see what happens

[@neocloudmarts9613]

Sot is a Greek name. Good video

[@dougoflynn4572]

I think Sot regrets asking this question now...

[@juncruz3685]

grid iron football training cant be just powerlifting. u need conditioning and drills. why not do strenght training 3x a week then conditioning(running,metcon,hiit,tennis,boxing) 2x a week that would be heaven on earth

[@natepennington730]

C'mon now. 3 sets of 5 won't improve your "conditioning" in anything other than doing sets of 5. There are plenty of ways to structure a strength program while doing conditioning. Adam Klink recently squatted 500, ran a sub 5 minute mile, and did 50 pull-ups in the same day. Fergus Crawley last month squatted 501, ran a 4:58 mile, and ran a marathon within a 12 hour span. If you're definition of an improvement in "conditioning" is getting less out of breath while doing sets of squats, sure keep doing 3x5. If you want to be able to run, row, bike, or swim for a prolonged period of time, you're going to have to do more. You can still get stronger while doing that as well. Who cares if it's not "optimal" for strength gains because after all, you can't out power clean a bear.

[@owenrung5182]

I agree with what your saying but i'm certainly not outrunning that bear either...

[@owenrung5182]

just dont mess with the bear

[@boydmccollum692]

Well as the saying goes, you don’t have to out run the bear, you just have to out run the person you’re with.

[@fabioq6916]

Dont argue with the Cult Leader. There is only one way to demonstrate strength: fahves in the core lifts. Right?

[@fabioq6916]

So, let me get this straight. Rip is saying that an SS protocol would win Crossfit? Conditioning from heavy fahves? Nah. Bullshit.

[@amkool6135]

We need a collab with Jason blaha!

[@nashwilliams5852]

No we don’t.

[@lpfreak1708]

Ew

[@nashwilliams5852]

Blaha is a nasty man. Threatened people with deadly force, slanderized and insulted several reputable KZbinrs over the years for the sole purpose of views and engagement, and lied on end about his private contracting work as a bounty hunter. The man is a deluded idiot. He happens to be into strength training, but there are so many more and better people you could collaborate with, so why involve such a shit person?

[@ericdaniel323]

@@nashwilliams5852 pretty sure it was a joke

[@nashwilliams5852]

Eric Daniel lets hope so

[@farmerwayne1404]

Can't we all just get along????

[@kylewood303]

everyone who has read Starting Strength would has figured it out already.

[@MrPtrlix]

60 minutes seem too low for those things if you also include the warmup. idk why people feel the need to do fitness in classes

[@BlargeMan]

I see nothing wrong with some conditioning, either aerobic or anaerobic, for a short burst at the ends of your workouts, or on your off days, 2 or 3 days a week. You can also do sets of 8 or 10 throughout the week for more hypertrophy and building work capacity, it'll just mean your weights go up a little slower. It may even be necessary, because I noticed when I did NLP, I lost most of my endurance and work capacity for doing anything but heavy sets of 5. Just keep it to 20 to 30 minutes a session and the impact on your strength gains will be very minimal provided your recovery factors are in order. Combining conditioning with weights like CrossFit sometimes does is definitely stupid though.

[@johnmikhael9783]

He will go out of business Rip😂 The answer to keep you in Business SAiut is in the middle. Keep the Conditioning Concebtric based(sleds,ski Erg,rower, fan bike) blended with moderate repetition calestenics. Stay in business bro!!! Feed the fam.

[@89Dustdevil]

Crossfit is strength training. Have you seen how many pullups they can do.

[@jms0313]

Zero hahaaaa

[@dimpsbiliou5478]

Dear Rip, You mentioned that crossfit athletes are bigger than strength athletes, but not stronger. Why is that? Because we know that size equals strength the opposite should be true.

[@BR4INlessBRI4N]

Strength is a skill. The more muscle the more potential for strength you have, but if you dont really train for it you wont be able to use it optimally. Why else are there 80kg powerlifters that lift more weight than 130kg bodybuilders? Because one trains for strength and one for muscle mass

[@JackgarPrime]

Because they do things more in the hypertrophic range.

[@leonharmon5147]

No the linear progression doesn’t prepare you for a marathon. That’s not his position. If you complete a mile run (choosen because it’s a generic conditioning metric) before Strength training and then you stopped and focused solely on strength. In 12 weeks, your mile time will reduce without running at all.

[@seamus.dolan98]

His insisting that the strength athletes outperform athletes that train conditioning regularly on a conditioning test is just a false statement. A pure strength athlete is not going to beat someone who runs or rows intervals every week on a 5k run or 3k row test. That’s a fact.

[@JB-hq9yj]

Sure. However, not everyone wants to be strong yet bloated and unable to perform on demand particularly if you work as a first responder, etc. CrossFit or at least strength plus cardio gets you plenty strong but also much more rounded and arguably, much healthier.

[@jakubnowak649]

unless you get hurt doing difficult exercises too fast

[@juricadelalic912]

sorry for asking but why is there monkey hunging from the above?????????

[@brettsnyder5858]

the 3x5 powerlifting he is referring to will not increase conditioning as much as metcons

[@kelleykennedy872]

I’m a CFL2, and have done SSLP. I do believe strength is the most important adaptation, however, strength training is not conditioning. A handful of my fellow Crossfitters and I just came off a 12 week strength cycle, and… while stronger, our conditioning was worse, significantly. That happens every single time. It’s my first strength cycle, coaching or participating.

[@samspecht8377]

The models do that because the photographers and other artsy types believe the more curves crammed into the frame, the more sensual, alluring and psychologically/physiologically arousing the image becomes. Judge for yourself...🤔

[@rd-ch1on]

Children,especially young children, naturally do those those poses. Media caters to and promotes pedophilia

[@alanneale3657]

I’m with you all the way ripp .. but can you do pistol squats ???

[@hiebrantsify]

Stupid question. Crossfit and strength training already coexist.

[@patrickvanherk]

Watch the video. It's not about coexisting but about what's optimal

[@hiebrantsify]

@@patrickvanherk The video is not answering the question. Its answering a different question and that is if its optimal. I still stand that the question is stupid. And FYI i watched the video before posting.

[@dragonfireshield1976]

I think the guy meant to ask : how to combine crossfit with strength training

[@chasinsunsetz2022]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 You’re A Trip...

[@zenchiro6033]

They're atoning for cheesecake.

[@michaelw2263]

He could do an undulating routine with emphasis on strength 3 days and 'crossfitty' another day or 2.

[@WiecznieNieNasycony]

3 sets of 5 with 300 kg squats and you're on the ground in a pool of sweat

[@davidthomspson9771]

Short answer No. Not with the size of ego possession by both Starting Strength and crossfitters.

[@leonharmon5147]

As much as Rip’s answer goes against what I use to believe in, he’s right. I’m 25 and 290 lbs. My mile time is much lower (sub 10 minutes) than it was when I was 275 playing high school football (sub 14 minutes) where we had sprints and mile runs and two a days.

[@arturpetrovici]

Crossfit needs to revise its principles, respect physiology and become more like thé modern pentathlon it it wants to survive thé next hype.

[@gravitytraining6516]

I didn't know it had principles?

[@arturpetrovici]

@@gravitytraining6516 what exists that does not have principles ? what perdures that does not have ''good'' principles ?

[@winstondavis4831]

The vid doesn’t seem to answer the man’s question. Obviously any program with heavy conditioning isn’t optimal for strength gains. But that’s not what he’s asking and not everyone is looking to maximize strength gains in isolation. Or size/aesthetics in isolation, conditioning in isolation, etc.

[@winstondavis4831]

I’m also skeptical of the claim that strength training always leads to better conditioning. We have pro athletes who compete in sports considered “conditioning” (rowing, cycling, marathon, etc.). But I’m not aware of any of these athletes who adopt a strength-only focus. Maybe they are all missing the secret sauce to go to the top of their sport. But they have a pretty big incentive ($$$) to change up if strength-only was the most optimal training program for conditioning

[@clstrat837]

People still do CrossFit?

[@heeebeeegeeebeee]

I love strength training but my conditioning goes to shit when I only train heavy with weights. I don’t know why he keeps trying to convince people of this nonsense. People just need to decide- do you want to be strong or do you want to be conditioned? You can do both but if you try, you’ll be mediocre at both.

[@troyhiscock3984]

Cross fitters do strength train

[@aaronhayworth2151]

CrossFit is a sport. Sports are for fun. Not all sports are for all people but sure they can coexist.

[@senselessnothing]

competitive wanking is not a sport

[@goatinnabox5776]

Barbell Medicine has a cross-fit like template; Titan.

[@ericdaniel323]

I'm pretty sure Rip doesn't acknowledge their existence.

[@HAL-dm1eh]

They had a falling out.

[@goatinnabox5776]

@@HAL-dm1eh Oh I know, just letting anyone looking through the comments know.

[@ericdaniel323]

@@goatinnabox5776 they have a nice site. I used their beginner's template after SSLP with good results, but can't speak for their other programs or coaching.

[@HAL-dm1eh]

@@ericdaniel323 I don't agree with everything Barbell Medicine but I like Jordan's take on nutrition.

[@tiagovazkez9356]

I believe you can totally get decent conditioning from a strength workout if you ditch the barbell and replace it with dumbbells or kb. The demand they put on your core is tremendous. And I believ the core is the most conditionally taxing. If you can lift heavy by fully engaging your core at all times then your contioning will improve.

[@seppotaalasmaa4875]

hhhhwhy not?

[@ChaostotheVII]

Is this subtly admitting starting strength sucks for aesthetics?

[@jedimind5337]

people already know this for decades. so this not admitting anything, let alone subtly. it is reminding newbies like you.

[@ChaostotheVII]

@@jedimind5337 Rip would never admit that tho, but he did here... subtly ;)

[@JackgarPrime]

Its starting strength, not starting aesthetics. Although if you're starting as a completely untrained novice, 3 months of starting strength will certainly help your appearance, as long as you're not doing some kind of unnecessary super bulk.

[@Monaleenian]

@@JackgarPrime "Although if you're starting as a completely untrained novice, 3 months of starting strength will certainly help your appearance" That's the same as saying "Crossfit will improve your strength if you're a complete novice, but it's not optimal for that", which is exactly what Mark Rippetoe says in this video. Starting strength might improve your appearance if you're a complete novice, but it's not optimal for that, not even close. If you're interested in growing your muscles and improving your appearance then you should completely avoid Starting Strength. Rippetoe knows this and effectively said as much here. ChaosVII is correct.

This video triggered a lot of people 😂

[@adamoperaman]

Content is great, do y’all really need to drop the F bomb over and over? You can do better.

[@stevepace-first8617]

Thinking about it, the only place these training methods can coexist is within people who are getting stronger and do crossfit. Of course they exist. Did the strength come from "constant variation" and maximum "creativity" well, probably not but I imagine that the genetics and the drugs of the elite help to overcome programming deficiency. I think we have to look at it dialectically. There are pros and cons to the high intensity conditioning, but if we are going to accept say, prowler pushing, then we have to accept that some activity beyond the big lifts is going to move us closer to fitness than sickness, fitness being seen as better health. I can see Ripp's point that for the beginner jellyfish, simply pushing following an intelligent strength programme improves the body without branching out into more specialised forms of developing individual qualities.

[@cliffonator1111]

"Everybody that has done 3X5 heavy across the board has experience the fact that conditioning is provided by weight training".... plenty of people do that are obese and have lowsy conditioning.

[@Nerd.Immunity.]

Comments from the haters Why does Rip’s nipples stick out so much during his coaching seminars, is it because Rip get off on seeing bad form?

[@JRT140]

To use Ripp's logic: does someone who is starting from a non trained state improve their conditioning through the squat? Sure but it's "not optimal". I know 800lb squatters who practically need a rest stop walking through a parking lot.

[@jeffriggins9106]

Seems logical

[@jeffriggins9106]

Id think by the time you're squatting 8 bills you've accepted conditioning isn't a main point. Obviously a point of diminishing returns I reckon.

[@Rothbardy]

Rip is not talking about elites, and the guy that wrote letter isn’t training elites

[@Xplora213]

Conditioning is only ever as necessary as the tasks you must recover from. 800 pound squatting will have decent conditioning to achieve the squat. An untrained unfit person will be exhausted loading the bar to 800 pounds and then unloading it again! At some point you will have to specialise in your sport because you can’t recover from squatting 800 and marathon training at the same time. You talk of optimal... what is optimal conditioning for the 800 pound squatter? What about 135? You seem to be critical without suggesting a reasonable goal. I don’t expect an 800 pound squatter to move for more than 15 seconds without fatigue. But my 15 minutes of cardio is far less useful than his squat, so what is optimal measurable performance to you?

[@JRT140]

The conditioning you get from three sets of faulves on the squats is a specific adaptation for the squat and that's it. Yes it's better than nothing but as Ripp said himself the baseline is literally nothing. We don't even know how Ripp defines conditioned because in his 5 min pontification he only made a generalization.

[@jms0313]

No they cannot

[@bvons75]

Steve Shaw lost his damn mind over the 100 air squat statement. The cherry picking is strong with the big hair ugly dude (Shaw is who I am referring to)