Bodyweight to height ratio | Ask Rip #51

A very dense Starting Strength Seminar Q and A in which Rip and staff field questions about training vegans, programming considerations for intermediate women, making weight for high school sports, the use of orthotics for barbell training, and the optimal bodyweight to height ratio for powerlifting.
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[@dylanl9532]

I spotted Alan Thrall from untamed strength in the audience.

[@Sean-ly8fm]

Dylan L He said he is a Starting Strength coach now.

[@verfugbarkite]

Dylan L spotter! Well done

[@adamuntz1130]

Good eye

[@mattmosier6642]

TRAIN UNTAAAMMMMEEDDD!!!!

[@kylefee4822]

What time

[@askdhuwuw]

His chair looks SUPER comfortable

[@jordemort5359]

Poor dude in the blue sitting in the metal folding chair 😂

[@crankymcgee]

@@jordemort5359 lol I was gonna say...he's probably an intern or something. The dude in the baseball cap is probably Rippetoe's right-hand-man and gets the decently comfortable chair.

[@Jordan-hz1wr]

MercuryNSJ Haha he’s the youngest of the bunch which means he gets the crappy chair

[@billmiller2308]

@@crankymcgee that’s Austin Baraki. Definitely not an intern. Check out Barbell Medicine to see more of him.

[@Nokaut600]

Rip's been hitting the doughnuts for sets across

[@BryonLape]

Sets of fiveh with hip driveh.

[@benjaminx7822]

Bryon Lape dip driveh

[@BSFree-es5ml]

He has a donut eating disorder

[@bennyboy968]

supa set!

[@hadhad129]

can't have just 4 gotta eat fivvehh

[@dawgsmycopilot]

I so wish I'd been there for the fat client question! I'm that person ya'll are talking about. Starting Strength was a perfect program. I wasn't naturally athletic so I didn't feel like I could play a sport. I couldn't do a whole lot at that weight. (550) But I could stand there and pull heavy shit off the floor and I could push up heavy shit. So I did. And it forced me to eat correctly. I had to address all the shit that got me there if I wanted under that bar. So I lost weight and I've gotten stronger. I took notes, experimented with it. Did all the HIIT shit and cardio but it's just not as efficient as barbell training. I do activities. I garden, I swim some, I walk my little dogs. But I'm not doing the "exercise" that the women at the gym whose bodies haven't changed in six years are doing. They always ask me what I'm doing but when I tell them they mostly tell me reasons they can't do it.

[@MxBell212]

While I don’t think all vegans have an eating disorder I developed one by becoming vegan I’m vegetarian now and I eat all of the eggs and mike and butter and ice cream and I’m fatter stronger and happier

[@robertlevy4613]

dawgsmycopilot how are your results now?

[@dawgsmycopilot]

My fellow vegans bitching about Coach on here need to realize some things: 1) That ain't his area. He ain't there to teach you how to eat, he's there to teach you how to lift. If you need nutrition information go to another vegan who happens to also lift. Patrik Baboumian comes to mind. If you aren't vegan he has others on his forum who discuss nutrition- go check it out- there are even some vegans on the forum. 2) So what he thinks we have an eating disorder. It doesn't make his lifting information any less valuable. And if you are stupid enough to set aside good lifting advice because he doesn't agree with us on nutrition then fine but that's only hurting you. He's not here to coddle us and be open to our ideas. He doesn't owe us anything. But if you want to lift, he will help you. Listening to him will help you put weight on the bar. 3) He doesn't recommend everyone drink the gallon of milk, ya'll need to read the program. There's plenty of us who don't need to do that. He recommends the milk thing for underweight people, especially young men and people who have a hard time gaining weight. You do not have to drink the gallon of milk a day to do the program as it is written- it's a lifting program not a drinking program.

[@MixedMartialHelp]

11:30 I agree 100% that kids should not be cutting weight or dropping weight categories, and that anyone who makes them should go to jail. People chuckle after you say that, but I don't think it's funny, I honestly think Rip is right, and that it is a problem, not only in the USA.

[@nathanielsoh7783]

The people we're talking about here is probably different. You're looking at kids who are probably putting in 8 - 16 hours a week training. I'm quite sure most of the kids here aren't overweight or obese.

[@daxisperry7644]

Nothing wrong with losing weight. But people need to get off this philosophy of the number on the scale has to be lower. So many people I know who are not fat want to lose weight, not fat, just weight. I told him he should train strength because muscle mass and lifting weights would help him burn calories. "But if I gained muscle and lost fat, I might still go Up in weight." His response blew my mind.

[@timlamb1156]

Most people chuckle because the sport specific training of wrestling will cause you to drop weight, most states if not all has alpha to deal with weight cuts

[@MrWillDart]

God bless coach Skip Johnston, he had us basically on starting strength in high school. I wish I was smart enough to continue it for the next 7 years. I’d be much stronger than I am now. But live and learn 5x5.

[@Sean-ly8fm]

So what is a good general guideline for body weight on Starting Strength? Maybe wrongly but I thought the main topic would be that.

[@matthewharris2971]

When you are sedentary and obese, barbell training IS cardio. Start with barbells. Supplement light cardio as needed to facilitate the barbell training. Once they are strong enough to handle serious cardio activities without their fat bodies destroying their joints in the process, increase cardio.

[@Francesco-cj3oi]

I guess what they meant is that nutrition makes an obese person, or anyone actually, less fat. Resistance training will help if the person is able to perform the movements, but I quote what Mark said "The nutrition becomes the training" meaning that for an obese person the amount of will ti takes to adhere to a diet plan is already pretty hard, so adding strength training on top of that right from the start, might interfere with their adherence to the weight loss program

[@nerychristian]

Cardio is overrated. As long as you are strong and walk enough during the day, you should be fine.

[@ExtendedPachiderm]

I see you there, Alan Thrall. Don't think you can hide from me.

[@l7521Opp]

Sorry bro, theres something called "Light Infantry" we walk everywhere.

[@CyrillicTM]

Alan Thrall! :D

[@Scoot12321]

That is awesome

[@rickscheck5330]

17:00 Question 17:20 A: Pronated feet. Flat feet need support. Keep knees out. Orthotics can help support "medial arch".

[@scottwidiculous]

Can we get the poor dude on the left of Rip a better chair? His back must hurt

[@muratuzun9822]

Thats austin baraki

[@lim974]

Hey there. Could not you guys get microphones for Matt and Austin as well? It is sometimes hard to understand anything, especially when English is not your mother tongue.

[@BitsOfEternity]

Regarding the question about an obese person and how strength training can help them - and yes, this video is from 3 years ago, but the point is still relevant - I have to say that, when I first started working out, I learned enough by reading and watching videos to educate myself on the subjects, and I came to understand how diet matters, because, after a workout, I knew my muscles were going to grow, even just a little bit, because of the workout, and they needed good nutrition - they wanted good nutrition - and I had worked so hard to get them to the point where they were sore, that I wanted to reward them for working so hard, and the only way to properly reward them was to eat properly. I set my mind to understanding the relationship between the workout, with the intended result being to become stronger, and the diet that was required to do so, and it became a self fulfilling prophecy - I didn't want to eat garbage after I had worked my ass off in a heavy duty workout - my muscles were sore, and it was a good kind of sore, and I wanted to be able to do that again, and so I changed my eating habits. It really does work, if your client understands the purpose of 'soreness' of the muscles after a workout (during recovery, not due to injury) and the relationship between that soreness, and the gains from the workout, via that soreness, and the power that a good diet has over whether or not the gains will be what they could be.

[@erickellye.k.3686]

I see Alan Thrall Train Untammmeedddddddd!!!

[@andrewhezekiahdaniel]

Lots of people mentioning Clarence who is an incredible athlete, but he is juiced to the gills, so his example isn't applicable here.

[@gettingstrongerfriend2738]

Please set up mike so we can hear other people besides Rip. Although I come here for Rip, it would be nice to hear others input and questions not just the sage's answers. Rip the sound quality on a lot of these vids is poor.

[@drycell_gaming]

Allan thrall on deck

[@00Noontide]

Fantastic content guys, thanks!!

[@scottmoyer3854]

Best ask rip yet

[@eisenhorn7588]

Regarding the discussion on warming up: I was under the impression that, if cold due to weather, doing a very short warmup (3-5 mins depending on the need) on a rowing machine was a good idea. I remember seeing it mentioned somewhere (either in the book or in one of the SS website articles, I'll have to find it again.) I have found it to be useful before starting my warmup sets, but is it the opinion of the coaches that this is not necessary?

[@sleepingtube]

For very cold temps, yes. Otherwise, probably not necessary.

[@pbmackatt]

Here is a quote from SS third edition- ..."Warm-ups serve two very important purposes. First, warm-ups actually make the soft tissue - the muscles and tendons, and the ligaments that comprise the joints - warmer. General warm-up exercises increase the temperature in the soft tissue and mobilize the synovial fluid in the joints. These exercises include walking fast or jogging, riding an exercise bike (a better method, due to the greater range of motion the knees are exposed to during the exercise, better preparing them for the squat), or using a rowing machine (the best method, due to its range of motion and the full involvement of the back and arms as well as the legs). Specific warm-ups, like the empty-bar sets of the barbell exercise itself, also serve to warm, mobilize, and stretch the specific tissues involved in that particular movement. This step is important for injury prevention, since it is more difficult to injure a warm body than a cold one.... ...It is foolishness to neglect warm-ups. Many government school programs, in an attempt to implement a strength program without allotting sufficient time to do it, omit most of this crucial part of the workout. The coach in charge of a program that does this commits malpractice. Please heed the following rather strong statement: if your schedule does not allow time for proper warm-up, it does not allow time for training at all. It is better to omit strength training from your program than to suffer the inevitable injuries that will result from lack of warm- up. Yes, warm-ups are that critical." I guess things have changed since the book was printed.

[@machomarmot5070]

I found this to be slightly informative and very entertaining! Lol

[@ksurmacki]

I beg you Rip, make a new video about front squat

[@patrickvanmeter2922]

The only thing in this video I can agree with is no warmup and no cool down. Over 50 years of lifting and have never done either. At 76 years old, still don't.

[@battledabully]

lav everyone up or us a boom mic bc this is hard to listen with different audio levels lol

[@RoadToDocByRoidAlex]

12:44 the way he looks at Austin 😂😂

[@Alex-lu3pn]

His thinking: You look at 198, 181lbs men? Every man should weight at least 200, regardless of height. He actually said that weight doesn't depend on height in another video.

[@idpagroup6525]

Very informative also entertaining !!!

[@Bentley2]

When do you go from novice phase 1 to novice phase 2?

[@zachlloyd9392]

Actually really big people are surprisingly naturally strong once they lose the weight due to muscle mass gained from carrying thier weight. I have fat guy calves from weighting 315 for a few years, now at 260-280 My calves are huge for my weight and get comments from people on how to get big calves. I tell them get really big for a few years and BOOM! you're off team no-calves.

[@phalanx1790]

fat people have no more muscle mass than any other untrained person.

[@joshuaworsham120]

I'll be consuming animal protein until I die, but some people are vegan for moral reasons, which I understand. We had a vegan Olympic weightlifter in the last games. it must be possible to be strong, just not optimal.

[@sweetcheex]

I don't see how it's not optimal there's no science that's projected in what Ripp is saying. Having 2-500% BCAA profile and adequate protein a day in a caloric surplus is what I'm getting. Exactly how isn't that optimal?

[@monkeyxpwner]

Yes it's very very possible to be jacked, strong and vegan. And if you think otherwise than honestly you don't have a grasp on nutrition. And no I'm not a vegan.

[@nerychristian]

@@sweetcheex Vegans have to supplement with lots of b vitamins and amino acids and protein in order to stay healthy.

[@klevdavful]

I'm telling you guys And I've never met him in person or talked with him on the phone but rip knows what he's taking about

[@MrWaitwhat1]

Lol i cut from 140 to 125 when i wrestled. That was a shit couple years

[@verfugbarkite]

Marks answers remind me of his programme, i.e one size fits all. There's no point asking him these kind of odd questions, that's not what he's about

[@michaelstuparich5473]

I wish they'd fix the sound issues on these videos. Can hear Rip fine and sometimes the questions, but everything else is a mess.

[@GrungeRockGod]

clarence intensifies

[@gasbaroni]

First of all, he hasn't been vegan for that long, second of all, he's an athletic freak and a work horse, third, he's on steroids.

[@Alex-lu3pn]

Gotta check if his steroids are really vegan, cause they definitely aren't natural.

[@gasbaroni]

@@vusaltahmazli5917 He actually adressed this in his previous videos and was very open about it.

[@brettpacker2779]

starting strength will get you to the plateau maybe a bit quicker but there's no magic

[@Menello]

Need to mic the other two dudes too! Sounded like they had good input too. Appreciated the video though.

[@hjaltalinator]

What do you think of the platz squat?

[@johanhansson4574]

Haha butt in the ground for 30reps. Ripoff a toe will explode.

[@idkisaidit]

Lol rip fielding questions is always so difficult to watch good lord

[@Jalfred92]

I ate 5500kcals, 200g protein plant based fairly easily: I ate microwaved sweet potatoes with guacamole, curried lentils with coconut cream, protein shakes with bananas, mixed veg strifrys with chickpeas and wholewheat noodles. These are all quick and easy meals.

[@Bradington]

Compared to what? I'm sure you can eat a lot of processed crap designed in a laboratory, but how is your gut health? What studies do you have that show the long term efficacy of such an unnatural diet?

[@rohitmalyala8951]

Bradford Bradington none of that was lab food. Millions and millions of people live their entire lives as vegetarians. They’re perfectly fine-you can really get away with a lot when it comes to nutrition

[@aymanlafaz]

It took u 5500 kcal to achieve 200 g of protein yet in an omnivorous diet u can get 200 g of protein and not exceed 2500 kcals easy

[@nerychristian]

Carbs lead to diabetes.

[@RustyIronloins]

Who are the other panelists?

[@LumberDrum]

Austin Baracki (Barbell Medicine) Matt Reynolds (Barbell Logic)

[@rajinfootonchuriquen]

I like the answer about stretching. Animal dont stretch, why do we stretch?

[@147DegreesWest]

Wow!! 8 sets of 3 is ok? Thank you!!!

[@StrongButAwkward]

I feel like if your goal is to have fun as long as you have the time and money you can compete whenever the hell you want to. If you goal is to get strong enough to ever be competitive and actually win on a large stage, interrupting your training to compete too early and too often is going to stop you from ever getting really strong. It's a waste of your valuable training time to hop on a state stage ever 6 months from your first year of training on if you have any aspirations of being on a national team. Take the time to build a base of strength before you spend your time and money to test it.

[@dude157]

Best weight class is simple. Keep gaining size and strength till your deadlift leverages get screwed, then you know you have gone one weight class too far.

[@Re3iRtH]

So 5'11" in the 74kg weight class is too light? My first meet is in one week. Small state so looking to place.

[@Alex-lu3pn]

@@Re3iRtH that's far too skinny even for women

[@roasticle]

need better mic'ing for these... like mics for each guy up front and a free mic for the people asking questions

[@christianporter6842]

45x5x2 to warm up and whiskey to cool down. Can we substitute with vodka?

[@TheJmeier9]

how do I join this cult?

[@patrickdreesenreactions4553]

Peep Alan thrall in the second row on the far right

[@sixonesevenauroch8683]

I have been vegan for 3 years and 7 months. I have been on strength training for about 6 months and can bench 318 lbs, deadlift 540 lbs and squat 415 lbs at 200 lbs (was 155 lbs when I started), still on linear progression, adding (to the training weight, not sure how much to the PRs) 4 lbs/week on the bench press, 10 lbs/week on the squat (recently turned to low bar, Rippetoe style squats, allowing for a newly discovered massive posterior chain usage) and 10lbs/week on the deadlift (recently entered a gym that allows chalk, allowing for my weak link to fade away). My diet consists exclusively of avocado, blackstrap molasses, sesame, linseed, pumpkin seeds, brown rice, beans, pasta, sweet potato and soy protein; supplemented with creatine and B12 vitamin, wich is the only nutrient you need to supplement for, as a tradeoff to the way foods are produced and processed nowadays.

[@StrongButAwkward]

Like, how hard is it to just say "eat lots of beans" in response to a question about protein for vegans?

[@MixedMartialHelp]

Because then on at least a sub-concious level he would have to admit it's not really fair to kill stuff for brotein, when you can just eat lots of beans. Far easier to pass it off as something else.

[@MultiSoccerMan]

@@ajasen jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12970-014-0064-5 Here is a study comparing Pea Protein to Whey Protein for muscle building which concludes: "Since no difference was obtained between the two protein groups, vegetable pea proteins could be used as an alternative to Whey-based dietary products." The only protein source deficient in essential amino acids is gelatin which contains no tryptophan. Where do animals get the proteins that build their muscle tissues? Plants are the original source.

[@JM-fo1te]

Because he enjoys triggering people. Just laugh.

[@c6q3a24]

@@MultiSoccerMan Humans are not ruminant herbivores for fucks sake. We do not have the digestion system of ruminant herbivores. Try eating grass all day and see if you can grow the 400kg of lean muscle a cow can...

[@stevenzwier8974]

Rip is a training coach. Real old school. Not the guy to ask about vegan-specific nutrition. Calories are calories, protein is protein. It's not hard to figure out. Get a bag of pea protein and a bag of brown rice protein and mix 1:1 and you have an outstanding protein supplement with no carb, 1 g fat per serving, and no farts or acne. Peanut butter has 2,800 calories in a 1 lb jar, 3 quarters of which is fat. Rice, and black beans with a peanut butter sauce is filling and fuels gains. Don't ask the 60 year old overweight bbq fiend for vegan diet advice lmao

[@Rhye_]

so he gets a legitimate training question about a vegan trainee, he says he not only calls him a psychiatric patient, he dismisses the person who asked the question, and also refuses to help. my biggest problem is that Austin Baraki started answering but he interrupted him just to dismiss the question, what the hell...

[@MAGAMAN]

Being vegan is stupid. I was stupid for almost 10 years and it was terrible for my health. There are things in Animal based food that your body NEEDS. This is why Vegans tend to be small and weak.

[@disposablebeast3683]

Yep. The recipe for being miserable is being a vegan. I know from experience. It was an eating disorder.

[@VegetoStevieD]

Here's the problem. Mark has been asked most of these questions so many times that he needs to be able to draw a line, so he can stay within his realm of expertise. Here are some example questions that cause the same problem- "What do I do with an athlete that doesn't want to squat or deadlift?" "What do I do with an athlete that will only train once per month?" "What do I do with an athlete that wont eat meat or drink milk?" "What do I do with an athlete that doesn't make payments when I bill him/her?" Why should he bother answering those questions? Most of those questions are 'You're not doing the program". If you don't squat and deadlift, YNDTP. If you don't eat, YNDTP. If you don't train regularly, YNDTP. "Hi, Mark, what does a Starting Strength coach do with a client that refuses to do Starting Strength?" WTF, how can you possibly find a way to criticize Mark here? VEGANISM is NOT DOING THE PROGRAM. Mark is only responsible for Starting Strength, not some other bullshit.

[@selfcritical]

There's not reason you can't supplement protein/creatine and do the program. The sum total of changes will be "your food is going to be more expensive than it would otherwise be"

[@benjaminx7822]

Khechari Im highly plant based and I cant do nothing but agree whit what you are saying edit:with

[@jabberwock14]

What did he say @ 21:10?

[@TuomasKivisto]

Or to look at some people streching

[@FirstLast-mq3mv]

Shame that almost all of the discussion in this comment section is about the first couple of mins of a 20 minute video

[@Jasonsprague1981]

Allan Thrall!

[@altemple5322]

need to have all staff micd up

[@tanisj2470]

Holy crap it’s Alan thrall

[@KRSapphire]

cue vegan outrage..

[@benjaminx7822]

Did all this vegans just GOMAD?

[@ezioauditore5616]

I hate the fact that vegans like to preach and talk BS trying to change people life like those damn Amway People It's people choice to eat what they like, same as people who drink coke or not

[@jokecukie]

Johnz Bobz You don't have to kill to drink coke. If you don't think killing animals begs a moral question you are pretty ignorant. I am not a vegan, but your argument is weak and you sound dumb.

[@brianeverill3537]

Cue 'outrage' at bigotry!! What's wrong with outrage at 'bigotry'

[@Re3iRtH]

"He's got an eating disorder" Says the guy with the 48" waist.

[@grahamstephenson1505]

Does he have the the same attitude towards vegetarians too? Anybody know?

[@filipposlioukas2892]

Graham Stephenson are you asking so that you have the right to criticise him? Lol

[@dalebraithwaite6890]

Are bbm bbl and ss the same company then?

[@tombarry4777]

No they had a falling out. Baraki and feigumbaum set up bbm.. thrall went with them too. I guess the egos were too big for one company. I'm more an ss fan

[@dalebraithwaite6890]

How about bbm?

[@dalebraithwaite6890]

What was the falling out?

[@reggie7716]

@@dalebraithwaite6890 programming protocol was part of it, I believe political opinions might have been part as well. Barbell medicine put out a letter making a statement that kind of addressed the falling out.

[@IRONMAN79101]

Legend

[@GrandmasterFerg]

Pumpkin seed has some of the most luecine per gram of any food.

[@laynenortonslawyer5791]

Next time anyone has a diet and nutrition question for Rip I want you to look at his gut in these videos and ask youself, should I really be listening to his advice?

[@hjaltalinator]

To the first question about the vegan: does he have a problem recovering?

[@jms0313]

Yes

[@gravitatieconstante8974]

Eating disorder? 😂

[@WTFisupDennys]

Go somewhere else weirdo

[@anarchic_ramblings]

The strongest men in the world DO have the most muscle mass. Brian Shaw is over 200 kg!

[@james_games9684]

Yea rip may be fat but even in his 50s he is stronger than 90%+ of the kids crying about abs

[@georgechristiansen6785]

I believe he is over 60, but the real comparison is how fat is he compared to his peers? He is not nearly as fat as MANY older folks and WAY stronger than almost all of them.

[@TheBlooRayChannel]

Mark Rippetoe is a very knowledgeable man, but he undoubtedly is also a narcissist.

[@oiseo4498]

TheBlooRayChannel wow you are soo right. The thousands of people that he has gotten strong and drastically improved quality of life(including me) must have all been accidents.

[@TheBlooRayChannel]

You don't get the point I'm making, do you? I'm not vegan. But putting vegans down outright claiming it to be an eating disorder is a bit pathetic.

[@HDloly]

Don't eat for guilt is a eating disorder. Vegans thing they are "eating clean", when there is no "clean living" in civilisation. They believe they are saving animals lives even livestock production only grow, and people who eat meat are "killers" when 90% of them never even saw a cow or chicken alive. Veganism "for the animals" is eating disorder. Call honey "bee vomit" is eating disorder. Eating only plants to raise awareness about animal production isn't the same as thing and say meat is poison or murder.

[@willnill7946]

Vegan is a religion

[@JohnDoe-bx1bw]

Everyone's so crazy about the veganism point that no one seems to care about stretching/mobility work bs. Of course you don't need it if you don't plan on staying actually healthy and injure-free.

[@filipposlioukas2892]

Alexey Eremin how does stretching help you stay injury free exactly?

[@thesmartguy3523]

ANOTHER MORON

[@MrDtempest]

Not sure why Rip doesn't respond to reasonable questions in a reasonable way. Bill Pearl is a vegetarian - he seems to have done OK. Rip is hurting his Starting Strength coaches... He is starting strength, and when he pontificates on things that he's not an expert in - he only sounds like an ignoramus, which hurts SS coaches.

[@ChernobylAudio666]

Pearl became a vegetarian at age 39 which means for 39 years he ate and trained with a meat diet. That means I could train as a powerlifter for 20 years, break a bunch of records, switch to being a vegan and now I'd be the vegan powerlifter that broke a bunch of records? C'mon now.

[@KamSwope]

Goodbye snowflake go cry somewhere else fuckin buffoon

[@michaels7159]

@@KamSwope LMAO you're clearly the snowflake. Look how triggered you got over a critique of Rippetoe's nonsense. Cry harder.

[@michaels7159]

@@ChernobylAudio666 Clarence Kennedy has been vegan for years and can outlift everybody in that room. And he looks way better than all of them. Vegan diets are compatible with strength training. Rippetoe is wrong all the time.

[@profitfever]

Dont get me wrong Veganism isn't something im a fan of. But RIP was rude about that at the start. He could have given a more compationate answer. Also give the dr a microphone for gods sake.

[@fewhavestrength]

Fucking awesome videos !

[@whatdaheck32]

I HAVE FOAMY MUSCLES!

[@Jmack7861]

I love how at IPF worlds almost none of the 181 lifters are under like 5”10’ lmao

[@murozman]

That's quite surprising. I didn't know that. Almost all record holders seem to be short little guys for their weight.

[@michaels7159]

You mean the opposite right? Your comments is stating that they're all 5'10" or taller.

[@averagejoe5016]

Could be wrong but I’m pretty sure they cut weight. So 181ers aren’t really 181

[@robbyx6846]

Calling a vegan having a eating disorder when mark has a protruding gut and multiple medical procedures like his diet is so much superior

[@teachingsofneville]

Rip, I have a tremendous amount of respect for your knowledge of human physiology, lifting, and programming, and I've learned a great deal from you. To declare that eating a plant-based/vegan diet is an eating disorder....not only is that simply untrue, but its incredibly inappropriate, insensitive, and unprofessional. Dr. B.... As an MD, I KNOW you don't agree with Rip on this one. It's clear that you were going to attempt to actually answer the question with a dose of value before Mark completely disregarded a serious, legitimate question being asked by someone who was genuinely looking to help her client. There are FAR more vegans than you realize following Starting Strength, and I promise the number will continue to grow. I sincerely hope that Dr. B and the other medical professionals in the SS community can find it within them to bring some real value to people following a plant-based diet. Or, at the very least, put a stop to the sort of ludicrous and ignorant statements from Mark at the beginning of this video.

[@jk3639]

Moving Millennials no. Veganism for retards

[@ghollisjr]

Moving Millennials What is an eating disorder? If you have a physical flaw with your jaw, teeth, tongue, etc. that would get in the way of eating, would that be an eating disorder? As far as I've seen the term used, it applies to psychological reasons for failing to eat a healthy diet in a healthy way. Vegans eliminate meat and all animal products from their diets. Some people think this can be done in a healthy way, and others disagree. It comes down to the definition of a healthy diet. Is it healthy to consume industrial products to replace missing vitamins from your diet which would have been supplied by animal products? Rip could make a very strong case for his claim that veganism is an eating disorder if he did so from the perspective of attacking the motivations of most vegans. Are you a vegan because you think animal products are bad for you? Then you're demonstrably wrong, and your refusal to accept your mistake could constitute a delusion and lead to the diagnosis of an eating disorder, just as how anorexic people have delusions about their appearance. Are you a vegan because you believe it is morally wrong to use animals? This would fall closer to religious dogma than psychological problems, but depending on the level of delusion involved in this conclusion, it could also be evidence of an eating disorder. The medical establishment is in the business of being the medical establishment. Psychology is especially prone to quackery followed by sweeping it under the rug later, introducing more quackery, etc. I am concerned about people who seek out radical ideologies and ethical systems such as veganism in general, simply because it is typically a sign of unsolved personal issues that are being projected on the rest of the world instead of being addressed as part of individuation.

[@gwarf5555]

Vegans have an eating disorder. Their world view doesn't make sense. They are a waste of time.

[@shanecorrigan8524]

I think he meant the specific case of that person

[@0Arman0]

i agree with you millenial he needs to approach this with the same logic and thoughtfulness that he approaches everything else and he fell short

[@MrDmac9996]

maybe mike up the other two dudes as well!?!

[@mactimo333]

is it so hard to tell the other 2 guys to grab a microphone before speaking otherwise don't record it and put it on youtube

[@neemshunter6951]

So post workout stretching's a waste of time?

[@filipposlioukas2892]

neems hunter yup

[@jojojlc7070]

Are these guys fitness youtubers? I can see Alan Thrall or atleast a look-alike on the side, beside the red poster.

[@duncanshaheen6517]

When you spot Allen thrall

[@poomuncherful]

Eating disorder my ass

[@realSpook]

Holy shit that's alan thrall

[@jasonblahasfilthyfoot8427]

No one in that room looks like they lift.

[@PlugThePull]

INB4: "Mark Rippetoe worst of the fitness industry" hahahaha

[@Delabeled]

Rip is the best. He gives no shits about peoples feelings. He isn't here to make you feel emotionally safe. He is here to make you strong. He's blunt but he knows his stuff.

[@shilohsanders5475]

The vegan question really isn’t a difficult one. Put him on a vegan protein powder and have him blend in a big scoop of peanut or almond butter in twice a day, and make sure he has at least a cup and a half of beans or lentils with lunch and dinner every day and he’ll get results 80-90% as fast as the people without an “eating disorder”.

[@Jmack7861]

If you’re under 200 lbs you’re a woman doesn’t matter height

[@InfamousTVHD]

Looks like your a woman.

[@daiserob251]

It's unfortunate that this guy keeps teaching outside of his scope. I love his message when it comes to strength but he's becoming more and more of a turn off when he shoots his mouth off about things he knows little about.

[@NicoDevs1998]

203 people are vegans

[@michaels7159]

good

[@stamperteaching]

Many, many, many strong vegan athletes out there (Kendrick Farris and Patrick Baboumian to name two off the top of my head...that hold records). Unfortunate to be so dismissive with that first question. Would probably come across better to admit you don't know something rather than to criticize something you obviously haven't taken any time to research.

[@JergenSplergen]

The really important thing he said about veganism was "it's not compatible with strength training." That's the answer to all the veganism questions.

[@dibdap2373]

@@simonadventures3727 how exactly is it cleansing?

[@TheL3Brone]

being vegan or not vegan is irrelevant at all, you can achieve everything the same as a meat eater if you meet the right and adequate amount of protein/fats/carbs. I'd say I noticed even a bigger change when i transitioned to being vegan, eating more carbs is a game changer when it comes to training and recovery also, most of you dont need 200g of protein a day. You are not a bodybuilder whos on steroids that has a lean mass index of 100kg. As far as I know and what science book tells you is that you if you weight 100kg like me, you don't need 200g of protein, you need 2g/1kg protein on your LEAN body mass, not fat. Look at clearance kennedy, he's one of the strongest lifters on youtube and weights 100kg, consumes 170g a day which is a total joke if you ask me.

[@alespider9905]

Clarence is on steroids, tho.

[@TheL3Brone]

yes, I do lift, but i mostly do yoked training by alphadestiny, most lifts are 80kg dip @95kg bw, 60kg chinup, 100kg ohp, 285kg trapbar dl

[@TheL3Brone]

highly unlikely

[@ChernobylAudio666]

Just look at him. The dude is completely jacked with acne everywhere. Capped delts with the acne all over them. Facts are facts, man.

[@TheL3Brone]

his strength is very unproportional to his size though, and i've acne too :/

[@jasonswanson5770]

Cool. Now try answering a single question without being completely condescending. Nothing like pupilage from an instructor who treats you like your stupid.

[@killslay]

*you're

[@jamestyler3458]

The fact that rip says people who want abs to show are skinny douschbags is extremely naive. Truth is it is way harder to get lean and strong as oppose to fat and strong he just doesn’t have the willl power. Nor does any of his team. They are all fat and strong. Not lean and strong

[@emailjwr]

Welp, here we have proof that Rip is not an evidence-based thinker. Feelsbadman.

[@kozz1984]

109 triggered vegans lol

[@temperedwell6295]

Rippetoe is a primitive blockhead. His entire approach way oversimplifies the most complex machine in the world-- the human body.