Aatrox - Before the Rework

[@Peldms63]

"Look how they massacred by boy." I miss him so much, was one of the few characters I got well acquainted with and then he was removed from the game.

[@janxster1113]

New is better.

[@eulala1952]

@@janxster1113 old one was much more stronger

[@janxster1113]

@@eulala1952 thats the dumbest thing ir've heard in awhile lol.

[@w.d.gaster3972]

@@janxster1113 oooooo changes nooo i want my fossil and boring character design back i dont like changes waaaah

[@janxster1113]

@@w.d.gaster3972 new aatrox is better in litterly every way of design to qoutes to champ to everything.

[@phatang5443]

Miss the old Aatrox , the feeling when u rush in 1 vs 2,3 enemies press R and start slashing and healing is incredible.

[@BringAatroxBack]

We need to bring him back

[@Foyter27]

Old Master Yi with AP scaling was even something different. Same feeling but way more broken

[@Haggis-Giggles4692]

Or just play Olaf for the same playstyle.

[@martinkaradjov6153]

Olaf is booring and lame@@Haggis-Giggles4692

[@pranayravi9449]

You miss the 'feeling' of pressing R? lmao. Bro try and hit a 3 part combo and execute with the new Aatrox. Thats real satisfaction. He is definitely more fun to play now and he can still most definitely solo 1v3 if you are skilled enough.

[@Sugharon]

Old Aatrox was one of my favorite champs. I wish he was still this way.

[@kirixlovesplays]

Same :(

[@stevekef7229]

me too my heart aches just thinking about it like a wound that will never be healed 😭

[@aytocarambaaysosiamba9822]

Old fiora too haysss

[@BringAatroxBack]

We need to bring him back

[@Haggis-Giggles4692]

You could just play all off to get that same place style.

[@mimico4340]

RIP Aatrox Gone but not forgotten ★ June 13th, 2013 † June 27th, 2018

[@mastermimin]

I would absolutely love to see the Sion rework deconstructed. It's such a drastically different champion and almost nobody knows the old him.

[@toffeeFairy]

It's also one of the oldest ones, i started in late season 3 and only saw him like 2 before he was reworked.

[@N12015]

Yeah, almost like he now is a real champion with a cohesive gameplay instead of 2 halves.

[@pavlestojanovic9631]

true!

[@mastermimin]

@@N12015 I really love the new Sion but the old Sion is a pretty interesting topic.

[@khanlikestoogivebigsucc7375]

I started playing long after he was reworked, but I found that he healed his allies based on damage dealt in R to be really interesting, and am pretty bummed no current champ has anything like it. (The closest I can think of would be an AS incorporating Taric build, but it's not really similar at all)

[@TheMrFancyKiwi]

I still find it crazy how the mini rework they gave him one patch before his big VGU actually made him a good, playable champ. They finally made him good just in time to remove him.

[@DustD.Reaper]

Old Aatrox will always have a special place in my heart since I remember him being one of the first champions I played when I freshly started with league about 6 or 7 years ago, and even though it were just botgames at that times, I really had a blast with him. But since I ended up as a support main, I never really ended up picking Aatrox besides the times I would maybe got him in ARAM while he was in the free rotation so hearing that Aatrox was getting a rework back then gave me mixed feelings because one champion that I never played before and got reworked, Warwick, became one of my favourites to play in league so I thought that it probably will be fine, but there was always this dread I felt that the Aatrox I first got into league with may be gone then...which by now turned into reality. I dont dislike the new Aatrox, there were some fun moments I had with him aswell...I just really miss the old Aatrox, and he is now synonymus with an older time of league. One where every new champion wasnt an overtuned amalgamation of exsisting champions, but instead had new ideas and interesting gimmicks, where we had event thematic game modes and holiday maps like the Halloween and Christmas ones...and where I think Riot cared more about the community and less about just making money.

[@nayrim1674]

This comment Hit different man

[@374mikester]

I miss the effort and care put into the thematic game modes. Actually I miss thematic game modes all together.

[@edjonas8801]

Rip my tankplank golditems, my singed who does damage with q, my Yorick spam E, my full ad ghost cleanse Sion, my Ap shaco in 3v3 or Dominion, my death fire grasp, my athene, my nautilus and chogath jungle... Rip my Jungle Alistar lvl2 gank, and my shen jungle level 2 flash taunt gank mid, rip my Volibear max E (tho New one is good), rip my urgot aimbot, rip Ryze number 1 and number 2, my lethality Darius, my adc Graves, rip spam q pant, rip blue red yellow purple build ezreal, old fiora ult...

[@FarmerSakki]

Old Aatrox was also my first champion played too. It was a one for all game.

[@nathanielrobles3284]

They could have just made the new as Aatrox brother since it was a whole new kit. The old Aatrox was doing well after the buffs before he got reworked.

[@endoyuki8255]

I remember playing him during s5 and his attack speed with lifesteal is soo good. I really miss the old him

[@akiraabesamis4226]

With tht zephyr men

[@BringAatroxBack]

We need to bring him back!

[@phgumerr646]

I've had an idea for a while, and that's if you have mastery 7 on a champ, then they get reworked, the m7 looks different, maybe it looks like that Champs color scheme. Idk I just think there should be something for the pre rework playerbase for that champ

[@Tarutwig]

Would be galio urgot and pantheon for me. Would be nice even tho i dont play their new Version much

[@spe02001]

Same for poppy and galio is worse.

[@raphaelnej8387]

I reached mastery 7 on xin by afk farming into 1v1 backdore tower at 30 min. They kept the champ but not the spikes. Never played it again.

[@heromedley]

sounds stupid as hell

[@GolompReformed]

I have like 170k 7 lvl on talon and i tauched him twice after rework in season 7

[@koi3889]

Aarrox used to be my main, I still miss him. I played once after the rework and that was it.

[@BringAatroxBack]

We need to bring him back!

[@TheHappyReaper]

I used to main Aatrox back in the day, and I was really hyped for his rework when it was first announced, because it seemed to make Aatrox more like how I played him, which was a weird ad/AP hybrid using gunblade and nashors to shift Aatrox away from pure autos and more towards trading and burst. However, I could never really get behind the new Aatrox. The problem for me was never the revive, or the lack of on-hit support, it was how abhorrently slow the new Aatrox’s Q felt. Maybe I’m crazy, well probably actually I’ve been playing league for a while now, but whenever I played the new Aatrox it just felt like it took so long for my ability to go off, especially in the late game. I never could get used to it, and ended up dropping the champion.

[@mond256]

I used to do the same thing back in season 5, picked up the champion again in season 9 and I just couldn't figure him out. Just trying to land abilities like I was used to felt slow and clunky especially due to the different shapes of his q. Trying to spam autos like conventional oldtrox was completely nonviable due to the removal of his healing. He's a fine champ and I know people who play him and like him now but he's just not the champion I used to play in any way

[@WilliamPTuffs]

Aatrox's q ability animation time is definitely noticeable in late game when your going against champions with quick animations, ESPECIALLY assassins. Wish there was some way to quicken it, like yasuo's q with attack speed :I

[@raphaelnej8387]

aatrox was the first champ i played (it was in every beginner players free rotation) and i really enjoyed it. I bought it and reached m5 on it. It was really a good champion. A simple revive. A simple but technical autoattack boost. A straight forward Q. A funny skillshot. An ult that turns you into a short range adc. The champ was great. Then it got a mini rework. The furry that used to be meaningless turned into a charging passive that gave aatrox weak timings and strong timings. Like irelia passive but much better balanced (it had counterplays). It gave its Q and skillshot a new meaning, since they now was also useful to activate passive. Aatrox had everything. Even his lore, which no one cares about, could be understood just by looking at it. Aatrox had everything. Riot removed it and put another champ under the same name. Full reworks only went on outdated harmful champs. Poppy Sion Evelynn Yorick Urgot Mord Warwick Nunu. They all had toxic gameplay and gained a real meaning. Even kayle kept her entire gameplay intact. Aatrox was not toxic nor outdated. He got removed. The community may have saved all chat. But it did let aatrox die.

[@antoniocuorleggero9253]

it's hard to learn but it's extremely strong if u master him

[@evgeniblanchard675]

He rock hard rn tho.

[@apreslavague1557]

Aatrox was my very first champion ever when arriving in LoL... I'm so sad they reworked him :(

[@samijouili]

Loved Atrox because of the dark flight skills , back then it seemed like the coolest thing

[@LightTrack-]

It still is. The sound effects and how hardcore it felt was so cool.

[@felixfresh4883]

Damn that hits right in the feels. I got my first ever pentakill with the old aatrox i'll never forget the rush of adrenaline it gave me...

[@thewildhealer541]

Me too man, he was pretty overtuned on release xD

[@dino0075]

I love new Aatrox, I have him at m7, he's one of my favorite champions to play in the entire game But I also dearly miss old Aatrox, he was always a fun flex pick I could lock in when I just wanted to have fun. I thoroughly enjoy playing the new version, but I also loved playing the old version. All this being said though, with Renata and Akshans releases, I FIRMLY believe they should give Aatrox's revive back.

[@guillermolopez2673]

Right? It seems unfair for two characters to have a revive mechanic in one basic ability but for Aatrox to not have it whatsoever, not even in his ult, when it had been a core mechanic since his first release

[@yankokassinof6710]

@@guillermolopez2673 aatrox revive is janky and 80% of the time just got u killed again with little counterplay, in a fight where he has his revive, he dies and revives, ok, and dies again because conq fell off, enemies cd is up, and because u died someone else in ur team also died, rendering u useless most of the time. NOW with extra healing, you wont die as easily as before, as a consequence your ally also wont, and so the champion just is better, if they put revive the heal on ulti WILL decrease and that is not a good trade off

[@guillermolopez2673]

@@yankokassinof6710 following that logic Zilean's ult, Renata's revive or the now removed Chemtech soul wouldn't be useful either, because you can die, revive, and still die again wasting it. The point is not whether the revive mechanic is useful or not in some cases, but that it's been a fundamental part of Aatrox's kit since his release and they took it away from him just because

[@walkelftexasranger]

Fuck Revive. It was way too broken since you could tower dive so stupidly easy. I want my damage to minions and HP regen back ,so I can actually be strong at early game (Where Aatrox is suppose to be lane bully).

[@kaiogiovanni]

You can argue that, but you also have to notice that old Aatrox's revive was and still would be the only reliable revive skill in the game, since: Anivia needs to survive with less armour to revive Zac needs to survive with severely less health to revive Renata's target need to kill/assist to revive Akshan's teammate revives, but not into battle, and Akshan also needs to kill/assist

[@Olenderman]

I never got the chance to play old Aatrox but I LOVE the idea of having a W toggle for either bonus damage or a heal, I probably would've really liked it tbh

[@guillermolopez2673]

I knew this video was coming and when I saw the 20 minute long duration I knew this was gonna be good. Especially knowing Aatrox was your fav champion before Thresh I personally like the new look better than the old one, and I never got to play the old Aatrox, but I've seen so many people talking about this topic I'm thinking more and more heavily every time that Riot should release a version with old League champs, before any rework had been done, just for fun

[@RamenPoweredShitFactory]

I new darkin that plays exactly like the old aatrox would be funny.

[@theycallmeklutchkid]

yeah we need an old kit mode, i wanna play old fiora and aatrox and xerath and galio

[@unholymackerel8072]

I really miss the old Aatrox. I even made a montage of him way back in the day, one of my fondest memories is a match I played him in the jungle when I went 20/1 and still lost a match. I got him to m7 before the vgu and I really really miss it, I wasn't good at him by any means but god damn, I absolutely loved the way the champ played. It was so unique with the ultimate and the toggle W, sigh. I really wish we could have him back, even if he's never ever meta. Lol.

[@aatroxporo6997]

Love your pfp :D

[@unholymackerel8072]

@@aatroxporo6997 loool cool coincidence! I've had it on since before the rework! I even created a montage but then shit happened and I couldn't! lol!

[@aatroxporo6997]

@@unholymackerel8072 oof

[@BringAatroxBack]

We need to bring him back!

[@Nietmeg]

This was the one I was really looking forward to! Thank you cryo!

[@NaldoNidoking]

I really miss old Aatrox. I remember watching an Anklespankin video where he played him AP Mid and I fell in love with that pick. It even got me into playing him the regular way as well. New Aatrox feels nothing like him, and I definitely agree that he should've been released as his own champion and left old Aatrox alone.

[@micha6987]

A man of culture

[@Flavourius]

I would really like the idea of you covering Maokai next, before Gnar became my main champ it was mostly Maokai but due to item changes and his ult rework I'm sad that he'll never be the strong tree you could rely on anymore in team fights.

[@toyue4201]

I miss the old Aatrox so much. From the visuals, to the lore, to his gameplay and his identity. Sure it wasn't perfect and perhaps seemed generic, but it was very unique and had it's identity. I really felt powerful and as the video said, one was able to dance with death. Now Aatrox is a constantly screaming tragic character who really wants everyone and everything to die. He has become a AD caster with a playstyle that does really remind me of Riven. Ofc it's still different in many aspects, but nevertheless the new aatrox feels closer to Riven than to his former self.

[@komodokisaragi9398]

His voice over was so dope bro now he's f*ckin swarzanegger 😂

[@BringAatroxBack]

We need to bring him back

[@UniquelyAwful]

New trox is objectively better from a thematic/lore perspective. Riot didn’t really know what DARKIN were before LoR tbh, it really fleshed them out into something good.

[@goldenarmour7975]

@@UniquelyAwful yes, but the "Now, we turn the tide" is much better than the current aatrox on some aspects. The new aatrox is kind of a theatrical character constantly screaming. It's not for everyone. I like him a lot in LoR as he's more toned down and his interactions with the other darkins are really cool and he seems to actually like his crew.

[@UniquelyAwful]

@@goldenarmour7975 if you actually play Aatrox he doesn’t scream in many of the voicelines besides the initial taunts against enemy champs. Most of his dialogue is questioning his immortality and purpose, and the screams are justified because of well…he’s a warrior and cacophony of thousands of howling bodies. So I really do think he’s an upgrade across the board

[@mrcptsrdrprof86]

I feel like during those times, Aatrox’s kit was a little overwhelming, especially considering the pool a champs to choose from who had relatively simple kit. However, if Aatrox were to be released today, his old kit would fit pretty well among the current champs.

[@KingOfAllGhouls]

As much as everyone wants the revive back (as do I) its important to remember the power budget. Theyd have to roll back some of the healthier changes to give him the novelty of the revive. There would have to be a major enough change to league to warrent increasing the budget to give him the res

[@lull5450]

They could've Keep his old w with his passive if hes below a certain amount of hp it will heal in scaling of his ad, while if its above 70% it'll deal a percentage amount base on enemy max hp. I think that will bring him a little closer with his old kit

[@degeneratewithasideoftidep6795]

Kill him in-lore again so Rito can rework him again

[@DavidVloch]

Old Aatrox still remains my record of kills in 1 game - 36. I will never forget that.

[@smugron1101]

I like new Aatrox but Old Aatrox will never be replaced for me.

[@diegovs1508]

I even started playing lol when aatrox came out. I just remember his image in the log in screen and being so excited about trying to get him. Then when i finally got to play him, it was even better than I had imagined, but now it's just... different. I miss getting a pentakill with a q + r or being unkillable while striking so fast I was constantly healing. Chills remembering that

[@KnucklesEki]

Your title is wrong, it should be 'Aatrox - Before the Removal'

[@MisterBobGoodDeal]

Sion and Yorick are my picks for the next episodes! Thank for the great work :)

[@ajgbeat912]

Ah the inevitable video. Never forget what riot took from us

[@MagneticTurtl]

The first change to Aatrox was my absolute favorite because jungle aatrox could solo baron at 20 minutes with 1 item and 1 item component. If u saw jg bot lane then baron was free

[@samquinn2129]

As an old Aatrox main(and my first main), the new Aatrox is a new champion. I remember the last night before the rework; pentas, and two solo Barons. Bloodrazer, Rageblade,Bork was so nuts. Rip Old aatrox

[@BringAatroxBack]

We need to bring him back!

[@owo4470]

I hate it whenever people scream aatrox was murdered. His core identity was preserved, and he was reworked like every other Vgu, Like. Look at poppy,swain, akali, fiora sion, etc. They aren't the same champions, they just have their core concept preserved.

[@giacomodaureliodarpino7594]

He had the mutilate passive because there was an issue at the time with enchanters being too strong. They gave a similar thing to Irelia as well, before removing that as well.

[@walkelftexasranger]

I really like new Aatrox a lot. Only things that makes me really salty is patch 9.9 ,because Riot nerfed Aatrox really hard by lowering his HP regen (Now he regens same as Marksman do) and patch 9.18 when they lowered his damage to minions (Thanks to that Aatrox have really hard time clearing Super Minions).

[@sentoo7606]

But it was a necessity, he was waaaay to broken. I love the new Aatrox as well and play him very often. Clearing super minions is not that easy, but they buffed his waveclear a couple of patches ago. So i think he is in a fine state.

[@Igorex2930]

New Aatrox can't clear siege minions for shit, that is one of my biggest complaints.

[@Broly91571]

I actually miss old aatrox. Swapping his sword from heal to burst was what defined his kit. I loved the old one. the new one is just ok.

[@donjones4022]

Bro absolutely nobody played old aatrox he was the Asol of top lane the only reason people played him right before rework was because he was busted lmfao.

[@Broly91571]

@@donjones4022 I was one of the few that played him alot from release until rework...now he's basically a shitty version of riven. Q 3 attacks, w a stun after a delay (rivens is instant) E a dash, Riven has a shield and R power increase and riven has an execute which aatrox just extends duration.

[@BringAatroxBack]

We need to bring him back!

[@abra2133]

​@@Broly91571same people saying aatrox now is "shitty riven" are the same saying k'sante is just "tanksuo"

[@watchyourback8877]

I really loved old Aatrox, his design was so cool and the Darkin Theme is something I love, when he got reworked, I had mixed feelings, he felt like a riven copy, he didn't feel like the old Aatrox, and I prefer his old design and voice, but a few years later, after watching Happy Chime Noises video about Aatrox, I decided to play him a lot and I love him now, I still miss his Revive on his Ult, and also, the Dark Souls Boss Aatrox video contributed my love for the guy.

[@davidwilli5542]

the thing that suprises me the most about conversations about the aatrox rework is that out of nowhere everyone used to play old aatrox when in reality he was rockbottom pickrate

[@Linesweeper]

Yeah people also forget that his jump was the most awful feeling abillity in the game to use due to how often it got interrupted or how hard you lost lane if you got ganked twice. These guys who all had m7 on "old Aatrox" sure put on their rose tinted glasses.

[@davidwilli5542]

@@Linesweeper yes my guess would be they got most mastery on the last couple months when riot intentionally left him op

[@hieungocphung9116]

yeah, back then nobody played him but now everyone is an aatrox main

[@sirhellsing]

@@Linesweeper honestly, as a m7 old aatrox, I probably did put on rose tinted glasses. Although he is my highest mastery point champion so I vibed with him from the start. I'm just shit at new aatrox though, I get bursted with any gap closer and I'm bad at landing my 3 sweetspots (plus slow q animations) I picked up Warwick jg and he feels a lot like old aatrox in terms of teamfight

[@jaimiranda8563]

@@Linesweeper Knowing when to use your Q as old Aatrox was a skillcheck because of how easy to interrupt it was. Landing the Q knockup was capable of changing the flow of a team fight.

[@imperatorcaesar754]

I miss old aatrox so much. Used to build devourer on him, and it was one of the few times I genuinely had fun in league.

[@uwutism]

I hit mastery level 7 before rework with aatrox. I still like him after the rework but the removal of his revive is kind of upsetting. Instead of trying to balance it they removed what i feel was a core identity of aatrox. But its still fun mega healing and those crit q hits just feel so good.

[@lonwolf7922]

Old aatrox was my main. Not only was aatrox completely reworked but his entire lore was rewritten. Old aatrox was like the god of war, blood spilled in war with feed him and make him more powerful. New aatrox is an ascended who was suppose to fight against the void. After being corrupted by the void, he turned mad and those he fought for trapped his soul in the sword. Several dialogues mention this. Maybe it's some joke by riot "A god, reduced to a prisoner, where I was excellence, I am deformed". For me, old aatrox felt like you were a god on the battlefield, 1st rework was still good, still made him like a titan, especially if you went AP assassin. New aatrox isn't a rework, it's a new aatrox. Playing with him felt like I was scammed.

[@BovineIntervention]

Ascendant are literally gods of war

[@strongsuccessfulweeb1400]

I like the dark eligance and voicelines and skills that old Aatrox had like they integrated his champ design to his skills. He has wings so they have him a skill that actually uses his wings that sold me to buy him and use him

[@akiraabesamis4226]

Pain is temporary Victory is forever 😢😢

[@hiephuu4871]

"it felt like an insult rather than a rework" that sentence pretty much sums up my feelings, thank you.

[@ilkerturkmen941]

Would have loved to be able to play both of them, I really liked the old Aatrox (2nd itteration), hated the rework but after the change made to the rework (4th itteration) I played him a bit and absolutetly love him. Sad that the old one is gone still though.

[@kingusernamelxixthemagnificent]

He was also one of my favourites. The change really put the last nail in the coffin of me playing LoL routinely. I mean, that's kind of a good thing.

[@quatron9561]

Aatrox was the first champ I bought with RP, when he first released I was like "I really need to play this champion" and I did not have enough IP(Influence Points which is the current Blue essence) back then. He was so much fun to play even tho I was bad at the game, I don't remember having fun like that in this game in a long time. Lastly, he had very unique Login Music which made me want to buy him at the spot.

[@rim7961]

i haven't played old aatrox all the much. I did enjoy it for what it was, but i do love the current aatrox. The old Q, felt a lil "weak", but somehow they made the new Q so satisfying to hit, and the fact that he is no longer as much auto-attack focused, means i can play into 1v2 i can sorta kill both players at the same time. The amount of bullshit i've pulled off with new aatrox is unbelievable, but with old aatrox, it all felt like i was playing a stat champ; just buy items, ult and auto attack everything to death. I mean, yi is cool, but its not as fun

[@RegalRexus]

He was a top 3 favorite champion of mine pre-rework. They strayed away from his original kit so much that it killed his identity. His old kit was so much fun to play and the management of when to use what version of W was a unique form of skill expression. I even prefer his old appearance. Much more menacing compared to the cartoony looking visual he has now.

[@doublea125]

I would absolutely not mind it if they made a "new" champion and just gave them Aatrox's old kit. Like it doesn't even have to be the old aesthetic or anything. Just the kit, untouched (maybe a minor adjustment) but something that screams "Old Aatrox is back." This way, people who actually like New Aatrox don't lose their favorite champion like I did.

[@creegone]

I loved older aatrox, firts version of him. But now he is just like riven

[@Doublejho]

"just like riven" is the dumbest take i've ever heard ngl

[@phaeste]

@@Doublejho have you ever read both of their kits? they are incredibly similar p: bonus damage on autos q: 3 casts with 1/3 knockups 3rd cast basically identical e: short dash r: fat ad steroid this is basically half of their kits being identical

[@ntray3729]

@@phaeste Still a bad take. They are completely different regarding their playstyle. Besides of that some of their abilities may have similar mecanics, like the three casts on Q, but thats about it.

[@creegone]

@@phaeste more than a half, riven and aatrox have 3 abilities that are similiar

[@creegone]

@@ntray3729 have you ever played riven and aatrox? Or even looked at their skills?

[@Hangishta]

Old aatrox was my only mastery 7 for the longest time. I had more time on him than anyone else by far. After the rework I struggled finding a new champion to truly main but none stick. I play a handful of champions now here and there but I don't get as excited to just OTP a champion anymore. The drain tank playstyle and the dueling was just too fun.

[@44444444444444437923]

i understand you

[@ImCroozy]

Aatrox's revive was such a massive part of his lore and kit I WANT IT BACK SO BADLY

[@yankokassinof6710]

bad game design? i pass

[@gazelle_diamond9768]

@@yankokassinof6710 Ah yes, because Akshan's revive or Renata's revive are such good game design, right? Aatrox has never been part of the "200 years of game design" group.

[@Krsthsus]

Two champs can have it as basic abilities yet aatrox cant have it

[@looksee2575]

Very insightful video! Good job

[@SaiKisaragi]

I joined season 11 and I still want old Aatrox. There’s even a meme about how certain champions have more sustain than Aatrox right now. It’s so sad how he died of ligma, and watching how riot effectively buffed the fuckle out of him only to delete him from the game. The second iteration would have been my favorite too, but here we are. Big shame.

[@Joseph-ke8iu]

Same. I joined in season 10. Aatrox was one of my first mains and I loved him but i feel like I would’ve liked playing old aatrox just as much.

[@patromal94]

awesome video as always cryo ! continue the good stuff :)

[@RB-xc9wg]

Old Aatrox was my first main (it being the first champ in the list made that easy) when i started season 5/6. I when he got reworked I more or less stopped playing him. IMO Trundle is probably the closest champ now in terms of playstyle (AA based drain tank/carry). I now play less and less of league as I really enjoyed many of the older designes of toplaners/bruisers that now either not exist anymore or can't compete with newer designes.

[@NicotineBoon]

I remember when Aatrox was released and I bought him bc he looked badass. The champ grew on me and became one of my favorites. Once the rework happened, I felt like my mastery 7 became obsolete. lol I refuse to ctrl+6

[@acat5338]

I’d like to see one of these for the old Sejuani. The rework made me quit Sej. There was a lot more skill expression trying to optimize her permafrost than the current sej which is just “get 4 stacks and press E” I understand why the old sej ult had to be changed, but I hate the current basic ability changes. I also used to play sej in 4 of the 5 roles, with adc being the exception, in both tank and mage. So I played her a LOT.

[@flaammeeey]

I love the new aatrox i just miss the review

[@SuperGabrielcrazy]

old aatrox lore and personality was my top 1 in league by far, he was SO AWESOME

[@bergkatze3186]

Lore? NC joke

[@thomasway0320]

My friend to this day, still build Aatrox like you used to, attack speed and life steal. His love will never fade.

[@kaikefernandes6413]

nobody played old Aatrox, then Riot reworked him, and then suddenly everybody was an old Aatrox main

[@BovineIntervention]

I played him a lot and have a lot of nostalgia for his old kit and I can still admit new aatrox is just better.

[@jaimiranda8563]

That's such a disingenous thing to say lmao. I think the new Aatrox is cool but he will never be old Aatrox, and this is coming from someone who played the pre-rework version with over 200k mastery.

[@TheDancerMacabre]

You mention that you think everyone left W on healing before the rework. This wasn't the case. Many people would AA twice, dark flight in and trade with the 3rd AA. And Jungle Aatrox had really strong clear with his ability to sustain and do a full clear or do a faster clear with less health, but be ready to bank quickly. I miss him. Just someone with good sustain who can gank early

[@Mike-iz6li]

And now my lovely fiora :( there will be a day i will play her again!

[@eduardokerber2931]

Pls don't, French y is no more

[@Mike-iz6li]

@@eduardokerber2931 old fiora was my main, untill riot toke that away from me. Some has old GP, others old taric or galio. For me was that fiora. As you maybe noticed my icon x)

[@N12015]

Play Yi. It's basically the same champion as old Fiora with all the bad design things as well, specially now that he gained on-hit effects in his Q. Sadly Fiora lacked something to justify her usage over other skirmishers.

[@Mike-iz6li]

@@N12015 fiora double q dashes att speed +moventspeed on e and much stronger ult. Also i love her as a champion, walking voice and not to forget She was playable as top and jungle. Now she is she is ugly, chicken walk animation and exclusief top only. Im so gladly i can still play the old model, but not her abilitys yet.

[@peshiii97]

Aatrox was a demon at his first release. The rework completely changed his playstyle. Also Sion, man was a walking fountain of healing. League was so much fun back then.

[@BIAKaboose]

Oh man, Aatrox. I was so hyped when he came out, because at first glance I saw him as a split between a caster carry and a melee carry, and given my astounding ability to auto attack minions in the middle of fights for no discernable reason, but land most skill shots somewhat reliably I thought I had found the Master Yi that actually functioned in my hands... I was so horribly wrong, and I still loved him. The absolute dopamine tsunami that came from surviving at sub 100 HP dozens of times in a single fight was unmatched, even if I could only make it happen once out of every twenty games. The idea of this otherwordly being swooping down from on high in the midst of a losing battle and resonating with the losing side so strongly that they could turn any disadvantage into a blowout victory was so rad to my high-school edgelord brain. This eerily beautiful, gore splattered, stretched out THING dancing among the corpses was truly something special in League at the time, it was something that I think was transitioned well into being Jhin later down the line. Then New Aatrox ran in like a linebacker, broke him in half, took everyone's lunch money, then beat the shit out of them anyway. Turns out, steroids was one hell of a drug, and Aatrox took so much that he traded out his living whip blade for little more than a hulking mass of iron. Don't get me wrong, he knew how to swing it, but it wasn't the same. Aatrox is a case study in character assassination, and while the new one is good, he's still an imposter standing on the grave of the original.

[@theycallmeklutchkid]

beautifully worded

[@bluewolf7111]

Even his visual design feels so much less imposing. Idk how they fumbled a rework so badly, when new champs are released like "ok so this champ can passively revive its entire team with no CD".

[@chiqers]

sick but here to wish you well! have a good one cryo

[@ethanjamesboling8154]

old Aatrox's model looked so much cooler. The wings were so badass with the veins and his overall stance and demeanor was cooler.

[@АтанасКостов-с2ч]

You mean having scoliosis and torn "wings" that he didn't use at all?? Not trying to be mean but the new Aatrox has better lore, quotes, visuals and gameplay. He can finally be S+ tier and keep up with the rest of the champions, requires a lot of skill and is satisfying af when you ult and hit every Q and W and then get a reset. He also heals more and is more reliable in team fights.

[@sirhellsing]

@@АтанасКостов-с2ч TBH I just really liked being malphite but actually having dmg earlygame (and malphite in game model looks shit) Q in and stay alive as long as possible. Now I do this but with Warwick

[@KensBlade]

Everyone who says they miss old aatrox just misses him becuase the last months before his rework, faker made him crazy broken and everyone climbed with him

[@lizardirl9488]

New Aatrox is absolutely one of my favorite champions in the game. I hated old Aatrox, not my kinda playstyle at all, but I can recognise that nothing of him is left, which is really sad and in my opinion makes it a massively flopped rework even if we got a really fun champion out of it. Now even new Aatrox is gone, as picking him feels like you're in a wheelchair all game because of just how much they've handicapped him. I've started playing Lillia top to scratch the itch, and that's been my new main.

[@jesustirado7817]

Old Aatrox was my favorite champ as well, first main, first skin etc

[@Dungeoofpain]

For me, the reowrk that changed the most will always be sion. From being primarily played as an AP one-shotter/Tank/DPS To being either a lethality one-shotter/Tank is a massive difference. I DO like new sion though. I just think that he spent most of his life similar to the current shyvanna rather than the juggernaut he is now.

[@inksplosiongames]

I spent at least a thousand hours probably twice that between 2012 and 2017 loving this game and most of that time was as an Aatrox main (Vi before release) been loving Runeterra and was thinking about giving it another goal. Absolutely destroyed that the Aatrox I loved is gone.

[@Nightmare-fe9hr]

new aatrox is a cool champion. he aint aatrox tho. granted, his play feels a lot more intuitive for new players (big sword = attack slow), but old aatrox was a completely different man.

[@reptileescape3619]

I remember destroying zeds mid with Aatrox mid. Just stood there and auto him.

[@Nightmare-fe9hr]

@@shemsuhor8763 he's definitely similar in terms of kit, but they are just different enough to have different play styles. I suggest trying both champions to feel the differences

[@Totoroi_]

Love these types of videos

[@immortaledge8830]

It makes alot of sense that many aatrox mains at the time of the remake didnt like the new kit. I played old Aatrox and never liked him, but that was because i prefer skillshot champs. Looking back on it now if they had released new aatrox as a new champ that probably wouldve made both sides happy. New aatrox is super cool to me aesthetically and gameplay wise, Predicting movement with skillshots as a badass nihilistic drain tank?! Peak enjoyment. New aatrox=Chad

[@bondziotek5627]

i was aa main. he got vaiable like a month or two before the rework

[@Morfe02]

They remove the revive so Akshan could revive the team 2 times

[@8-bitjelly77]

Kayn/Rhaast became my main post Aatrox rework, helped fill the Darkin shaped hole in my heart

[@dewaunwarren1]

I feel like you're over exaggerating the strength of his pre-work abilities. Wasn't one of the reasons why he got reworked in the first place because his ability to use warrant that good at letting him stick onto a target?

[@shadows_star]

His mini work fixed his whole champion basically, only to then get taken away with his VGU

[@ilohi_euw9194]

Honestly I can feel what you mean. When I started playing League on 2016 I mainly played three Champions. Akali, Jax and Irelia. Over time, as we all know, Irelia and Akali got reworked and even though they weren't as replaced through their reworks as Aatrox did it just feels very similar to me. Disregarding Jax on this since my old playstyle on him is not viable anymore and I completly stopped playing him, Riot took aways my favourit Champions in the game. What I loved about Irelia and Akali was a similar theme of Playstyle even though their class and the execution of it might differ a little. You were able to just go in, oneshot a carry and the get resets to do the same thing over and over. Irelia was able to do this with her old drain tanky playstyle of auto attacking and the new one just doesnt hit the spot for me. Even tho she seems similar I just dont get the same old feeling when going in, aside from her mechanical side which is way too difficult for me right now. With Akali it was the same thing. You would have a fun little laning phase until 6 and then completly destroy. The skill expression on the w and r uses were really exciting and the mind games and outplays with your movement and the short hop felt completly different. Going in with your r oneshotting a carry without having that mechanical barrier before you going stealth, then doing the same thing over and over and dashing with your r reset jumps was the funniest thing I can remember. The new akali while having the same playstyle in theory as the old, just again doesnt hit the spot for me. Her new visual and audio design is not really what I like in a champion, her mechanics are way too difficult and different from what they used to be and her ultimate and r resets and the coehering skill expression of r reset usement and shroud hopping feels just wrong now. Even though it is probably unlikly I still hope to play that lost "best girl", as my former weeb self called her, one more time. My heart lacks a spot of fullfilment when playing League. RIP old akali i will never forget the time when I was in my promos to s4 and flash r'd a minion, r'd a minion instead of a veigar and stood under inhib tower against 4 people who instandly killed me becasue they were in fog as I started the chase and we lost the game off of that play from me :( Now I am EUW platinum and I would have loved to see what I could have pulled of with her now that I actually can play the game

[@AcaciaAvenue]

I'm along the line of thought of him being a totally different champion. I feel Old Aatrox's identity was about the revive and stance toggle. New Aatrox doesn't feel like Aatrox to me, just a completely different champion with different purposes, to the point that, if they would both be present in the game, they wouldn't feel anywhere near redundant. I would totally see, like, a new piece of lore where it's revealed that the current Aatrox is an usurper that managed to lock the real Aatrox away, and then he breaks free and the usurper reveals his true name (aka a name change for current Aatrox) and they become bitter rivals waging war against each other, and destroying everything wherever they fight without a clear victor, this way they could both be present in the game just fine.

[@premasafar7813]

I remember back in the day, when Riot tried to promote crazy picks like Melee ADCs post-juggernaut patch, before they did a complete 180° on that one. Me and my best friend pushed the idea to the limits, trying all sorts of bruisers in the bottom lane alongside a support that complemented their strengths or covered their weaknesses. Old Aatrox was one of our more successful ventures. I would pick up Soraka, to compensate for the excessive use of blood price, or to make his healing even more ridiculous. He would forego any defensive items otherwise needed to survive in favor of damage and crit. The early game was rough but we could scrap deceivingly well and got some double kills on the account of our enemy's overconfidence. But never have I seen a more sudden pentakill, eviscerating the entire enemy team with a few swings and an IE, followed by a victorious push. It was a real highlight of our experiments and a memory to which I still look fondly. Our other favorite combination which we played regularly was old Kayle and Morde. None of these things exist anymore. Which is why we quit altogether. Really loved it while it lasted. Though I guess, it's better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all.

[@tristan5952]

Old Aatrox was my fav champ and I miss playing him, but as you said Aatrox at the moment is a good champion, I do enjoy him sometimes but he isnt as fun to play as he used to. Also I really dont like his new visiuals, the old Aatrox looked so badass and unique, especially his sword, the new Aatrox looks boring and just like some anime demon without the personality the old Aatrox used to have.

[@brend4012]

wdym, the old one had personality? He didn't have much info in lore. The new one actually looks very good and fits way better to modern league. I started playing midseason 4 and aatrox was always a useless troll pick everyone was complaining about. That changed only right before his s8 rework. To me he was always like a less fun tryndamere with clunky kit, easy to kite. Ppl here miss his auto attack sustaind oriented playstyle but he was actually just powerful at healing off minion waves and bursting ppl down with q+r engage. I started playing aatrox a lot only since his rework with ult reset, which made him so much more satisfying than just being a distraction. Old aatrox had mediocre playrate, but now he has a decent one, so i would say the rework was successful and i don't really miss old aatrox, which was just cheese to win, stat check, crappy champ.

[@drillz8945]

I’m glad someone finally speaks up how good old aatrox was and how betrayed we felt wheb the new rework came out and how it was more of a new champ and a riven copy

[@kirbystars328]

Hot take I think, but I love new Aatrox. Him before the rework just seemed a lot less interesting to play. But I sympathize with those who miss him. His rework is very different from the old one. Although him having no revive sucks. Legit removed his lore from the game.

[@toniperez2218]

Aatrox, myboi. I miss him soo much

[@dArKoMeGa89]

Aatrox has been my first main, I begun to play lol the same say he has been released. I resonate quite a lot with your thoughts, I will miss my favourite champ forever

[@alonnie1919]

The very first Aatrox was my first 6300 IP champion purchase and I played so much of him. After the first mini rework I picked him up again and it felt really nice and he felt strong, became one of my favorite champions all over again. Then this rework dropped and I quite liked it, I still play Aatrox top from time to time, but honestly I miss the idea behind that on-hit drain tanking duelist who can 1v1 anyone, including Jax, Darius and Fiora. Now he feels okay-ish and what I like about it is that it's really a skill-expressed champion. If you're good, you are nearly unbeatable.

[@Ben-ex1kv]

This is really interesting to me since I started playing not long after his vgu, never got to see the old aatrox in action. I think it'd be cool if riot did some kind of time warp event where we could play old versions of some reworked champs, doubt that'll ever happen, but it'd be neat

[@krystianjonamatsumura8381]

This champ was A MONSTER back then... When I started Aatrox was a also a new champ back in season 3... So, as a player I bought him really early and was my favorite Champ... But, then through the seasons changed him... Sad that I can no longer play him as I used to... 😭

[@kapitanfoka3525]

can we talk about whats happening in chat in the first pre re-work clip (0:36)

[@algernonix1925]

Way off topic but can we talk about the absolute Chad Rumble that built Bloodrazor/Devourer, Nashor's Tooth, and Guinsoo's 6:56?

[@BlackHawk21ification]

"Aatrox - Before the Rework" did you mean "Aatrox - Before deletion"

[@bowwing333]

AP burst assassin or hybrid burn omnivamp healing builds were so wild. With AP, jumping in to the middle of a fight and pressing R and watching every enemy around you evaporate was something else and the burn/heal build was so fun. You hit a point where you could just fight forever, under tower, whatever and just stay alive so long as you were hitting something. The new one is ...ok. I've had a blast playing some games with him, but it is almost exactly Riven. There's nothing really unique about him, which makes it boring. :/ The old one needed some changes, but they sacrificed too much of his identity and flavor and also funneled him into very specific builds which makes players like me who if I enjoy playing a champion, I am going to want to play him in every role I can think of. I think champs work best that can be adapted and have hybrid scaling. Makes you think and get to really know and understand the capacity of the champion and abilities in a more intimate way. AP Jinx for example. Really makes you play very differently and really develop your E and W skills and understanding. I would have never known that you can proc damage twice with one trap without trying it out. (And that's at a 100% AP ratio so that can KO off one ability depending on placement and enemy positioning after the first proc)

[@doublea125]

I will occasionally build Kraken Slayer and Guardian Angel on him with Lethal Tempo just to get the old feel.

[@niche950]

Honestly, them removing his rework's revive is completely inexcusable.

[@abcdef5036]

l discovered old aatrox on weeks free champions and absolutely fall in love with him. İn one week I hit the champion mastery level 4 because if you dont buy champion level 5 was locked. When it gone I just buyed him with RP. Then my PC was gone and when I got my PC back aatrox was long gone. He is the only champion I never played while in mastery level 5

[@keyman245]

Aatrox rework was what presented this champion for me, at the time I didn't really was aware of all lol champions, and then this red devil destroyed one of my games, I fell in love