Aba Actually LOSES Patience, Goes Glove Off In HEATED Debate

[@destiny]

Destiny Defends Himself In HEATED 3v1 Debate, Wins Over Debate Opponent ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHzRYoKqhZZkaM0

[@Astaroth-the-devils-advocate]

Is it stochastic terrorism to call someone who isn’t a Nazi.. a Nazi?

[@shanbannan17]

so when destiny sed in history. when the communists killed millions. this guy sed they ar nazis rofl this guy is crazy kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHzRYoKqhZZkaM0

[@uUuWolf16uUu]

@@Astaroth-the-devils-advocate Yes. Funnily enough, regarding the rhetoric MrGirl caused probably more harm than Fuentes based on his "softening" of pedophilia and such.

[@VisualConnection]

Mr. Girl - Is Nick Fuentes a Nazi? Destiny - That label doesn't mean anything anymore, and is therefore, unproductive to use in a typical political conversation. Nick is just going to use the confusion to his advantage, and therefore, obfuscate the question. Mr. Girl - But you still use the definition in formal conversations with your chat, etc, which means that you still hold that it has some meaning. Destiny - The mere fact that I have to explain my true meaning is proof that it has basically lost all meaning. It would be way more productive to to just pin somebody down on their policy positions. Mr. Girl - But you still use the defintion personally. You can still have a personal opinion as to whether Nick is a Nazi. What is your actual personal opinion, based upon YOUR actual defintion? Destiny - My personal opinion is that he doesn't fit the criteria outwardly. He might think something else internally, but who am I to speculate on what's going on inside his head. Mr. Girl - You are allowing him to weasel his way out through his wishy washy responses! You are allowing him to gaslight you! And now you are doing the same thing to me because you won't just answer my questions. You have been speaking with him for many months now. You should be able to tell as to whether he truly is a Nazi. And here is where we get to the whole crux of this debate. Mr. Girl wantss Destiny to label Nick a Nazi based on things like reading between the lines and speculation. Destiny however, doesn't view the world through that lens. It's not how he forms his conclusions. He doesn't try and guess what's in someone's head. He prefers to hone down on their actual positions.

[@bitterbrush2377]

Brooo...what seat in Congress did Destiny give Nick, MrGirl is unhinged.

[@arctic_beanz7503]

Aba's absolute hatred for mr.girl was so palpable. It got really awkward and tense near the end and Aba's rage was so blinding, that it almost overshadowed the whole debate and the fact that Destiny is a woman's name.

[@TyrianHaze]

All of that work, only to not bring it home by saying "women's name" instead of "woman's name."

[@WillChizzleMyNizzle]

excellently crafted, well done.

[@YovanComedy]

Amazin'

[@arctic_beanz7503]

@@TyrianHaze I'm sorry, my fellow misogynistic, nazi loving Daliban brother, I've fixed it but I must ask Allah and Des-tany for forgiveness.

[@Tavat]

*girl’s name

[@bjornnorenjobb]

I'm so relieved that Aba told him straight to his face how insufferable he is

[@ponetastic]

still dont give us two hours of our lives back. wonder if we can suck them out of mr girl and redistribute them to ourselves ala the princess bride method... if youve ever seen that movie...

[@sthaim1920]

@@ponetasticHe'd probably die of old age

[@serious7179]

@@shiiswii4136 anybody with a brain and intelligence would be triggered

[@j3n1us]

@@shiiswii4136 if feeling like someone is a moron is being triggered, then everyone on earth is triggered at least 7,000x a day.

[@serious7179]

@@shiiswii4136 I never said Mr girl was wrong. That's where your argument falls apart. I do not believe that he is wrong and I do believe that the general populace do not take the threats that Mr girl was speaking about a seriously as they should. However, Mr girl comes off as condescending, and an alarmist who doesn't calmly convey his point and doesn't really want dialogue or want to hear anyone else's opinion. That is why he is triggering. He is a terrible communicator, and if you really want your point to come across, the first key is to be able to communicate to people who have a different point of view than you. He failed.

[@ryanpercival9823]

JiDion multiple times just saved the conversation. That charisma.

[@briantrowbridge8134]

JIDion was literally the perfect streamer to pull off speaking with those white supremacist town folks, you're right about his charisma brother

[@yasserarguelles6117]

The weird thing is that if you look at chat when he first started speaking they're just shit talking him for no reason

[@RS-fy9hb]

@@yasserarguelles6117 probably because he did something like raid pokimane and tell his chat to spam something, think it was L+ratio. Wasn't a big deal, they hashed it out, he got banned (think it was perma? Twitch is retarded) because harrassment is against TOS. I could imagine some of the delusional people who watch her (these are crazy people, I don't know much about her audience, so I don't know if she has a normal fanbase or not) still hold grudges, and they're just intentionally hate watching, no? There are people who are willing to spend their lives haunting People who they think have hurt their gods or goddesses. I'm assuming this is why, because I haven't seen anything he should be disliked for, but I also haven't looked.

[@gammaboi6073]

Jidion is funny and charismatic but so uninformed, uneducated and ignorant that it’s painful lol

[@boondocktax5179]

Really? I just find him unfunny and annoying lol

[@drewvarn]

Just because Mr. Girl is attracted to children doesn’t mean he has to act like one.

[@liamandrew2481]

Aba has slowly become my favorite Destiny orbiter, not only is he incredibly cool and down to earth. He is also incredibly intelligent and provides a lot of nuance. Love that the F&F arc means we can see him more

[@trashee973]

I love Aba, I think he's the best person in this entire arc and the only one who's opinion I respect. But I think calling him an orbiter is a little disrespectful. He's got a channel much bigger than Destiny's, orbiter kind of implies that they don't have much else going on outside their relationship with tiny.

[@telstraRobs5]

@@trashee973 They orbit each other like the moon and the earth orbiting each other. But Aba doesn't have a stream so that's why he pops up here.

[@liamandrew2481]

@@trashee973 I guess it could be viewed as disrespectful, though I think it more descriptive since he's been on more than a handful of times. Not to mention Aba as an individual brand is not his main bread and butter so to me it's not like "Aba from Aba and Preach" but more "Aba who likes to talk about redpill issues". Which to me is more personable and chill, like a spaceship delegation from the "Aba and Preach" solar system 😋

[@coolcat1530]

@@KennedyIvy Yikers

[@liamandrew2481]

@@KennedyIvy even after this arc Nick is still number 1? Damn either Mrgirl is right or Aba is about how bad Mrgirl is for the conversation

[@stantonmccain7725]

Mr. Girl is the type of person that makes any kind of dialogues like these so difficult. It's actually exhausting listening to him let alone being the one engaged in the conversation.

[@FerociousPaul]

Man it's crazy checking in with the Destiny community after like, a year of not watching him lmao. I remember when the Daliban was sucking off Mr. Girl.

[@AcrossTheSea12]

@@FerociousPaul MG is only slightly more mentally ill and insufferable than he was day1. People, including Steven, only ever liked him for his unique brand of illness, which is so abrasive that there's nothing left to like after a year of chafing

[@hobday4455]

Yes you nailed it

[@voLumez]

@@FerociousPaul prob newer subs don't recognize him

[@ponetastic]

No joke.. I'm just using his voice to fill up some time here but it's making me frustrated because I could have done a better job of connecting with these three guys and making his point in about 10 minutes then he has in 2 hours. If you want to talk about gaslighting.. that's telling people Nick Fuentes is going to rise to be the fascist supreme leader of Earth. LOL. Get the f out of here. Liberal soy at it's maximum

[@Yellloow]

Aba such a great addition to the community. Not babying Mr.Girl.

[@briano9397]

It's specifically great for me because I never took destiny seriously before Ukraine. Aba n Preach was my favourite KZbin channel. Now I respect destiny's mind in this new arch more than anyone. Seeing all this clash and mix and grow is insane. Also has anyone heard from Mr Girls slave dead sex girlfriend ? Is she still breathing

[@nimloc1670]

Agreed, I never thought I'd see him on this debate side of KZbin, but he's just as entertaining as usual.

[@JakobChristensenAnimation]

Yeah thank god Aba calls out MrGirl's bullshittery.

[@EverythingKeem]

I think mr. Girls argument needs to be directed at sneako

[@dgnrt-z1260]

Aba is destiny's yes man all his convos are boring af

[@SovereignSmurf]

Aba made my day by going off on mr girl. It's one thing to talk to someone and not agree with what they are saying, but if you're completely unwilling to consider any viewpoint other than your own why are you even here?

[@WanderTheNomad]

He's here to "win" the debate and steamroll everyone who disagrees with him. And if that means calling them disingenuous or weaselly or saying that they're gaslighting, then so be it.

[@carrier2823]

@@WanderTheNomad the thing is he doesn’t care about even looking good. His idea of winning is eating away at the focus of whoever he is talking to. Thats why he loops on so many points over and over even if they don’t go anywhere. His MO is essentially the same as those infinity debaters from those discord servers

[@WanderTheNomad]

@@carrier2823 yea it's more for himself than for the audience

[@sargeteg5927]

After the third fruitless discussion with Mr Girl last night about exactly the same issue, that's where I'm at as well. What's even the point anymore, what does he actually want? I've come to the conclusion that Mr Girl just wants to generate content for himself and get access to Destiny by using the nazi topic as a tool. Often, he isn't even engaging in the discussion but talking with the audience/reddit in mind after getting some positive feedback there. For instance, he focuses on the most useless tangents to pursue little wins after slight missteps by Destiny but avoids lines of discussion that get to the point because he loses those arguments.

[@windwalker000]

MrGirl is just too emotional and delusional to not loop his talking points

[@OJuggernautO]

Glad Aba went off on Mr.Girl like that. He said what a lot of people feel. I don’t care how intelligent you are, how good your argument is, how “right” you think you are, how right I think you are or even how right you actually are. When you’re CONSTANTLY interrupting people in a conversation or debate, especially when no one is doing that to you AND you’re getting to talk uninterrupted for long periods of time, I’m not going to give a single f*ck what you’re saying. It’s unimaginably obnoxious, annoying and frustrating to even listen to as someone who isn’t even apart of the conversation. It’s almost as if Mr.Girl believes “pushback” or whatever he wants to call it is being able to go on long diatribes and if you pushback on the pushback, you somehow believe you’re devoid of criticism. What Aba said was 100% correct. And I know Mr.Girl will say he doesn’t care, but maybe he should. Like at this point, I don’t even know what Mr.Girl’s argument or point is. Other than wanting Destiny to not be friendly towards Nick. To me, it feels like above all else, that’s mainly what he wants. He wants Destiny to treat Nick the same way he would Keffals, Vaush, or Hasan. But who really knows? Because Max is absolutely horrible at getting his point across without being an obnoxious douchebag about it.

[@obamastoes9736]

Can you time stamp that? I'm sick of hearing Max talk.

[@ezanadaniel9149]

whatever you said was probably cringe, mr girl made a fantastic point and i’m not sure why aba was so obtuse as not to see it

[@OJuggernautO]

@@ezanadaniel9149 What does this even mean? If you didn’t read anything that I wrote, then why the fuck are you even commenting on it? Inb4 “heh, bEcAuSe I cAn”.

[@2010narutovssasuke]

@@ezanadaniel9149 This is exactly what Ethan Klein did when talking about that Aba and Preach video. How tf are you commenting on shit you didn't even read/watch?

[@nokyap4638]

MrGirl had to defend himself in a conversation against 3 people and he was interrupting Destiny because he was dodging his questions. And the other 2 interrupted the conversation just by joining in the discord. So yeah he was interrupting people but righteously did so. Who are these 2 to just join in and talk without being invited. MrGirl wanted Destiny to admit that he has given power to a person that potentially can motivate people to harm others or themselves and Destiny was avoiding to admit at first and not answering clearly so MrGirl interrupted him because why do you want a person to answer fully if the person you asked a question is answering a question that no one asked.

[@saidrew1030]

I'm loving how Aba and Destiny are having all these hilarious debates

[@desert_druid_xD]

Good duo is good duo

[@JuanPachexo]

Yo! Same! Content lately been straight 👌🏽

[@aSSGoblin1488]

destiny doesnt use the kkk argument against aba tho. he promised!! uWu

[@ZaZaZoo22]

@@ismailmekebri6724 😂 I miss mushrooms! I haven’t come across them in nearly 20 years. Good times

[@aSSGoblin1488]

love how aba told mr girl that that he has a moral imperative bwhwhwwhwhwhw to warn his good friend steven!!!!!!! shii i messed my keyboard with coffee spit tkae

[@sinkiller112]

MrGirl calling Aba a soyboy is rich lmao

[@lumayne8829]

MR. Girl: "we need the word nazi" Destiny: "we do not need the word nazi" MR. Girl: "That's not what i said at all youre gaslighting me"

[@Aura_baby]

Unfortunately the word Nazi has been buried into the mud so hard it has lost its meaning. 80 years later, and people still make Nazis out to be Fascists, when it isn't like that at all.

[@rttp-righttothepoint6656]

your gaslighting mne just like hitler gaslighted the jews in the holocasut.

[@ezanadaniel9149]

destiny is absolutely wrong

[@20Tresten]

@@ezanadaniel9149 Explain. Destiny's whole point is instead of saying the word Nazi, you can attack every position a Nazi holds and destroy all the ideals of Nazism without invoking the word itself. There is so much negative connotation around the word Nazi, and its use is super ambiguous to now refer to most republicans, that it just makes more sense to not use it to attack someone. You can make someone look like shit by pointing out their world view is insane, without labeling them a Nazi even if they are one.

[@liam-398]

@@20Tresten The point here was (and I hate mr. girl) that Destiny can easily define if someone is or isn't a nazi by his personal standards. i.e. when Vaush by his personal standards defines Bush and Scalia as Nazi's, Destiny firmly disagrees. By that line of argument, Mr. Girl establishes that Destiny has a given position on what does and does not constitute a nazi. So he follows that up by asking Destiny if by that SAME line of reasoning, he would argue that Fuentes is a nazi. Destiny then evades the question by answering that Fuentes does not fit the 'dictionary' or 'literal' definition of a nazi. Thereby changing the question. Your argument invoking 'the point' is similarly evasive. Mr. Girl actually outright states that in spite of Destiny caring or not about 'the point', he wants to hear a clear cut yes/no/I don't know yet -answer.

[@Rob1Esco]

Thank you Aba. I’m sick of Destiny going so easy on Max all the time. Max just seems not not give a fuck about anyones opinion but his own and Destiny needs to start pointing that out more. Just annoying seeing a grown child get away with being so self absorbed all the time

[@thepubquiz3198]

I think what Mr Girl needed to do, was to just bring up the definition of Nazi, (You could argue, that Max was trying to trap Destiny in a sense by not bringing it up, or didn't want to bring it up, just so he could keep spouting his opinion etc but then Destiny didn't bring up the actual definition either) It just seems odd to me that no one did this. Oxford Dictionary: Nazi *1* "Belonging to or connected with the National Socialist party, which controlled Germany from 1933 to 1945" Okay so Nick isn't a Nazi in that sense, but..... Oxford Dictionary: Nazi *2* " (Disapproving) Using power in a cruel way; having extreme and unreasonable views, especially racist or anti-Semitic views (= feelings of hatred for people who are not white, who are Jewish, etc.) Does Nick have extreme, unreasonable and racist views, I would say yes, and I think so would Destiny, therefore, in that sense, Nick is a Nazi. Now you can say, I think that definition of the word diminishes, the importance of the original definition, so I don't want to even engage in it, and refuse to, on moral grounds. I would rather just state, that he has, extreme, and unreasonable, racist views. And I would say that personally. I refuse to engage with that definition of the word, on moral grounds, so in regards to *1* No Nick is not a Nazi, but he does have extreme, unreasonable and racist views.

[@nikolaskoutroulakis571]

Mr Girl: you’re derailing the conversation Also Mr Girl: derails the conversation

[@off6848]

Everyone in Miami: does rails during conversation

[@mass_stay_tapped_in528]

@@off6848 W

[@penpointred]

Mr.Girl is always derailing the conversation. Always and it’s so fucking annoying.

[@nikolaskoutroulakis571]

@@penpointred Tru. It’s really frustrating too, because buried in all that cancer, there is occasionally good criticisms I think. He is just so bad at delivering them.

[@snowballeffect7812]

i've never been more bored with destiny content.

[@kristinkirschenmann1163]

Aba just became my hero. Jesus Christ it has never been so satisfying to hear another person speak.

[@atriiio4244]

Aba is amazingly articulate with his rant on mrgirl.

[@edward3908]

i've never seen MrGirl this unhinged. what's the point of being in a call with other people if you're not going to let them talk? just put out a video essay at that point..

[@Namasknight]

Have you seen his sex talk with his gf? He's always been deranged

[@Gchildwarrior]

I would have dropped the conversation right there. I don't have the time nor the pettiness to deal with that bs

[@Kappi__]

Me girl need the views from destiny for his 'art' project

[@WanderTheNomad]

You've really never seen him this unhinged before? Really?

[@Crissybooable]

He’s like this all the time

[@MrRPthatsme]

“We will probably never speak again, enjoy.” That means Aba is at least 51% sure.

[@nathawes17]

This is a top tier comment right here.

[@Aliyaaaa]

Thanks to Aba for his Service. He said what many were thinking. Mr.Girl seems to know what everyone can and cannot the best. What they feel and want. He knows. He was so uncomfortable to listen to while cutting off everyone.

[@Tagzishi-i]

Aba is so on point with everything he says. Max came off as an incredibly likable and introspective person at the start, but has proven himself the opposite as time goes on. He knows how to wield language, but he can't engage with anything outside his own ego driven mind.

[@benjammin775]

100 % Aba had the wisdom and integrity to lay it all out like that I respect him even more now

[@atlas-3012]

MrGirl: "Stop interrupting me. You're gaslighting me. Stop changing the subject. Let me finish my point." *_Proceeds to Interrupt, Gaslight, Change the Subject and not let Destiny finish his point for 2 hours_*

[@tenaccarli171]

It is so nice to see that someone has the same problem with a person that you have. Aba is sooooo on point with Mr.Girl.

[@scarfhat1]

Bro. So many times in this vid and other streams i've had to pause for a sec to stop myself from actually losing my cool over a video online because if how fucking annoying mr girl is. I feel you my dude, big respect to Aba for saying all that shit to him

[@trippasnippa119]

​@@scarfhat1 i agree hes annoying. It seems like, to me, that hes thirsty for a debate and just nit picks things and debates about them even if they dont matter. This debate right here nick fuentes isnt going to be as big of a problem as he pretends hes going to be. The only thing good about this debate is aba blowing up on mr girl lmaooooooo

[@romnesia7729]

MrGirl is really bad for discourse. He and Kaffuls hold Destiny back from greatness

[@scarfhat1]

@@ZChoate hold strong brother. Aba shall soon deliver thee from pain

[@JoeMama-gi1so]

Mr girl is just more intelligent.

[@omgitsrawz933]

1:45:13 This is the only part of this whole video that matters. Where someone finally tells Max in explicit detail that he sucks at communicating and isn't as deep as he thinks he is.

[@11jcmex11]

This is my 1st time hearing of this Max guy, i just stumbled on this video cuz i just started watching Destiny, read this comment at 36:32 and I noticed it about 10 minutes ago that this dude Max sucks.

[@blingximus]

Aba was on point. I was actually on-board with the points MrGirl was making and I can tell he's a smart dude - but holy fuck is he accusatory, judgemental and just plain rude.

[@DJ.Generation]

He comes off as self righteous

[@wout4yt]

I wonder, why do you think mr Girl is smart.

[@blingximus]

@@wout4yt his ability to quickly identify fallacies mid argument and verbally point them out in a succinct way. Like when he called out Aba trying to be facetious with his argument about what Jidion did with the KKK

[@dru9217]

hes a jeew.... alot of them are like this.

[@LuciusFox24]

@@blingximus so you ignored all the times that he misused terms like gaslighting, false dichotomy or strawman? Either you missed it or you also don't understand what these terms mean because he constantly threw out terms where they didn't apply, he is not good at pointing out logical fallacies at all or he would've realized all the logical fallacies he made himself. His entire argument was an appeal to emotion, which is a logical fallacy. Also Abas argument wasn't facetious, his point about what jidion did with the KKK actually isn't any different from what destiny is doing. Destiny is actively disagreeing with nick and attacks nicks arguments instead of throwing labels around, why does it matter that he gave a platform to a racist when we can just show how ridiculous those ideas are? Literally no different than going to interview the KKK so you can show this is how some people think.

[@somerando8615]

1:13:58 Aba took 5 seconds to demolish Mr. Girl's argument from 2 debates and a bigass reddit post.

[@jrthehunter4309]

1:45:15 As soon as Aba said "Me Personally", I knew we were about to hear something truly special. He then proceeded to say what nearly every viewer was thinking. in the words of Rick and Morty, "Even if you are right, if you are so much of an unrelenting, unlikable asshole like this, no one will want to give you the satisfaction". Of course, being right is important, but it's very difficult to read a letter ✉️ if the paper smells like shit 💩. And that's what watching many conversations with Max feels like. It's like trying to read a psych 101 textbook that you just lifted out of a pile of Manure. Max, I don't often disagree with the content of the book, but please wipe a little bit of the shit off of it.

[@beastmasterbg]

good comment

[@righteousrawb7225]

Damn lol

[@Rakstawr]

W comment 💯🔥

[@Zenith_Nulls]

😂😂

[@kyla_vina9410]

These analogies are hilarious yet true lmao

[@coledegraaff3137]

This Mr.Girl dude is such a clown lmao. Gaslighting, misrepresenting intentions, deplatforming, preying on emotional responses, baiting, assuming things that arent said, guilt tripping, all of these are things I saw this man do ON THIS STREAM ALONE. This guy uses all the tactics the people he "claims" are using himself and thinks HE'S the good guy. The sheer lack of self awarness of this man smh.....

[@ryandothard3913]

i feel like this guy is trying to be destiny 2.0

[@Lemonteaxi]

But you can’t act like destiny isn’t being super evasive about this subject. He wants to take hard positions on every single topic and act like an expert; He will confidently claim vaush doesn’t care about his positions, that keffals is just a liar, but when Nick comes around, all of a sudden we have sharp blade of nuisance to look at every fucked up thing he’s said? Destiny would answer this question clearly about anybody else, but optically, he looks terrible if he ever admits Nick is a nazi because then he has to admit he’s actively platforming someone that has these views and is more friendly with them then the people he “agrees” with.

[@amagicallaura]

fr like i felt really bad abt the irl streams with nick & i still have no idea what that display from mrgirl was supposed to do?

[@kingflamealot3714]

@@Lemonteaxi The thing is, you can turn republicans around if you pick apart their ideology enough. If you do that with deplatforming hardcore leftists, they will just block you and ignore you since you went against their ideology. This also applies to the hardcore right wings nuts. But Fuentes and Sneako are using logic for their own ideologies, which is why you can logically attack them. You can not logically attack people guided only by emotions without principles they hold dear.

[@Investigamer]

I honestly think Mr Girl invented a new kink that only he knows about... I think he gets off on intentionally making his rhetoric hard to understand--struggling to be misunderstood on purpose, and complicating what should otherwise be a simple 20-30 minute conversation. And just when you think you're at the end of the conversation and the disagreement has been laid out, everyone knows where they stand, etc.... he loops back to the beginning and restates the same conflict in a different way so we can start all over.

[@unclebobboomergames]

Abas breakdown of Mr girl at the end was perfect. Summed up my entire emotions of the last 2 debates with mr girl.

[@THEG00DF3LLA]

Aba speaking for the people ✊🏿

[@Eridu]

🙏🏽

[@JoeMama-gi1so]

SOY!

[@tonyhacker5980]

🙏🏻

[@colbyrob4814]

THAT DUDE ACTUALLY MADE MY NIGHT

[@jdkingsley6543]

No hes not, I actually sided with Mr girl.

[@m4anow]

1:08:36 Aba with a strong W. 2 politicians one says they lie for effect, the other doesn't say they lie for effect-more trust goes to the one that says they'll lie . Perfect takedown of mrgirl's biggest talking point against Fuentes

[@HOFxBoards]

I appreciate destiny. No other left wing person is doing what he’s doing right now and it’s working. Allowing other ideas and then pushing back on those ideas is exactly how you deradicalize people, not disregarding them entirely. I think destiny can genuinely transform a lot of people.

[@corneliuscapitalinus845]

I appreciate his LibSwag but none of us hardrighters are gonna be converted. Maybe the folks that literally just latch ont9 whatever the algorithm feeds them- the types that were essjaydubbyaOWND and then got contra promos and did the whole "i used to be "Altrite" oh the humanity" (and anyone altrite can tell that yeah this was just a skeptic).

[@Solidus__]

This is a pipe dream, all these people like destiny are doing is farming views for money. Nothing is ever going to be solved when one side of American politics is a insane cult. Get real

[@surfingbilly9654]

Except for the fact that the left wing is probably one of the most radicalised groups of people right now.

[@chrisbosh584]

@@cwilliams6884 true, but because he has changed his mind on multiple occasions mid conversation with people, your point is irrelevant

[@Syn741]

@@cwilliams6884 your point is irrelevant. destiny has mention many times he swayed from right leaning to left. that's also a good indication that you're wrong.

[@Karmitify]

The irony of 1:00:00 is that mr.girl legit does this, derail conversations to nothingness, every single debate ever since destiny platformed him. I lost it when the whole nuance theme came up a while back

[@75353866]

Destiny should do a callback to their first conversation and say Nazism is a spectrum. Imagine the shithole that would lead to.

[@SimonBJJ]

Aba - "I get your feelings are hurt" Mr Girl - "MY FEELINGS ARENT HURT"

[@TahreemSheikh]

MrGirl's feelings were definitely hurt

[@robinthrush9672]

No, a nerve was touched. X-D

[@MrSporkdude]

Good fuck his feelings

[@MixedMamba]

MrGirl being incapable of seeing anyone else’s point, just like the first convo about this, was pretty painful. Aba popping off on him was the most productive part of this.

[@glenrichardson8266]

@@kyle2 LITERAL GASLIGHTING

[@Karmitify]

@@kyle2 repeating it and seeing it from seeing it from someone else's perspective are worlds apart. I really used to like Max but that got old real quick.

[@cp3190]

People not knowing what a communist and what a nazi is, is quite painful.

[@someguy3414]

1000%

[@ab-hx8qe]

Since this is the highest rated post, mr girl should probably have it tattooed on his body momento style.

[@joshspencer830]

One of the things that puts me off the debate part of KZbin and twitch is these people who think they have this moral superiority to decide who gets to debate who it’s so fucking pretentious

[@JasonLucas2]

I thought I loved Aba before this...but my love is so much bigger now. After FINALLY hearing someone say everything I've ever thought about Mr. Girl outloud...Aba you can be the godfather of all of my children forever and ever. I trust you with my family's life. Good god....THANK YOU for finally saying what so many think about Max.

[@Nikifuj908]

Hearing him say that was better than sex

[@zacharydrake7557]

I think we should all come together to appreciate just how based aba was when he was yelling at mrgirl

[@Bakuzen23]

Mr. Girl literally said Destiny "absolutely paved the way for Fuentes." Then when when Destiny asks "Don't you think he could have made these connection if I wasn't there?" MR girl says "I never said that! I just want you to admit it's possible" All this and yet, Mr Girl claims Destiny is a weasel

[@damnedifido1062]

Aba really took the gloves off this stream

[@brysonius]

@@milkman1649 wat

[@ameshizen381]

@@milkman1649 how you take yo brain off.

[@lampad4549]

@@milkman1649 how was he not critically thinking?

[@jackhawk8997]

@@milkman1649 The irony

[@creativefantasybox2462]

Aba is dumb acting Cool

[@henrykur2860]

What frustrates me is this guy claims Destiny has created harm, but you just know nick would show his audience this guy as prime recruitment material. His rudeness, poor listening, the interruptions, you often don’t remember what people say but how they make you feel and this guy puts you off left politics so much because you associate it with vile behaviour. I despise the values nick upholds but would rather converse with him compared to the way MrGirl would speak to me. The problem is that for MrGirl this is his heroes journey, even stating he would sacrifice his platform to destroy nick’s. He thinks he is the guy to destroy this evil and because of this he has lost perspective, he doesn’t combat it in an effective way. His heart is in the right place but he just doesn’t see how he does more harm than good, doesn’t see how his demeanour, his lack of tact and respect towards others fuels the right wing. He, not Destiny makes nick seem reasonable and that is frightening.

[@veloz7316]

On god

[@fitch9782]

Mr. Girl is acting in the exact way that makes it fun for people to do Nick's jokes, and ironically support him. Which is ironically the point Mr. Girl is basing all this from. Nick Fuentes and all the right-wing commentators who grew their platforms during Trump were built from people/media acting like Mr. Girl. It should be pretty evident that Destiny's approach is better if you think ironic Giga Chadding is actually harming people.

[@Syberz2]

This is way more articulate than what I was going to type and hits the nail on the head directly.

[@phanphan2251]

hell is paved with good intentions

[@Memetic-Info-Hazard-Handler]

How old is Señor Girl? He has a somewhat immature worldview.

[@jenispizz2556]

1:52:27 For anyone who didn't read the Mr. Girl book report, he characterized Destiny as a bully specifically when he doubled over laughing during Mr. Girl's rap. Um, yeah, pretty sure Destiny wasn't laughing because he's a middle school bully, pretty sure he's laughing because you're rapping the most insane lyrics you have ever sung to a complete outsider and their reaction is hilarious. 1:45:13 was so cathartic when Aba finally told Mr. Girl to shut the fuck up and stop interrupting. It's like Mr. Girl had brain worms this conversation and ACTUALLY couldn't let people speak even one fucking sentence before interrupting. He didn't listen for shit either. Destiny addressed all of his concerns immediately but Mr. Girl leaned on him so hard and actually, unironically manipulated Destiny.

[@Maelthorn1337]

That first point is hilarious to know about, thank you. Been rewatching Mr Girl stuff, it's really interesting to see his behavior after knowing how everything went later.

[@kinggodzilla_9523]

Aba was on one this time, and I'm so fucking glad he was. ABA FOR KING!

[@unconcernedcitizen4092]

Only if he converts to Catholicism.

[@Avusui]

@@unconcernedcitizen4092 why would you be concerned about that....lol see what I did there?

[@amekgomo5250]

I'm so tired of people fear mongering, telling me how I should feel about x and y and then trying to shame you for not giving a shit. Acting like if you don't get riled up at the mere mention of the kkk or nazis then there's something wrong with you. Shits tiring lmfao.

[@ChenKaifeng]

Truth, I'm just like "please go have your panic attack over there, not near me."

[@Rich-ms8dm]

So Reddit

[@lethabo713]

is Kgomo your surname and does it mean cow?

[@SirAdamK87]

I don't think Max needed any help looking insane

[@jackhawk8997]

De-platforming Actually does the exact opposite. People start talking about the de-platformed party and start digging. Some people dig and end up seeing something of value. Andrew Tate is the prime example of this

[@Hemroyd_Skankins]

@@uhhhfrick9767 Deplatforming hurts the current Andrew Tate, but it help the next Andrew Tate who can use the danger of deplatforming to further legitimize themselves. The ideas that Andrew Tate propagates are not new or unique, they have resurfaced before and they will resurface again. Populism will never go away as long as there are unpopular authorities to rail against. Instead of deplatforming, its far more beneficial to just debate these people and make funny videos about them.

[@z144p]

I love how max is now the type of person mr girl would hate. This whole conversation is max pushing his idea that we should take peoples ideas and put labels on them and be cautious of hearing what they have to say and being scared of them dogwhistling even if we are gaining their true ideas from it. This seems entitely contradictory to his cuties arc.

[@DSPHistoricalSociety]

Dood literally came up from the hood into a nice neighborhood, but wants to shut + lock the gate after himself, ensuring no one else from the hood can come in.

[@z144p]

@@DSPHistoricalSociety Say what you want but only in the way i want you to type shit.

[@sarcasticdragon8673]

@@DSPHistoricalSociety true

[@trashee973]

Max tries to twist reality around however he's feeling at the moment. He's not consistent.

[@gottablast918]

He didnt do that. He’s saying you should be able to call a spade a spade.

[@lighturpl3]

I've had people try to do this to me IRL and it's so aggravating when people try to enforce their sentimental experience on any interpersonal interaction.

[@natalier5102]

I feel like this sums up my daily social struggle. You’ve explained it without me asking.

[@autumneagle]

MG: "Do we need the word Nazi?" Destiny: *explains why the word Nazi isn't needed if you can hold a person accountable for their specific beliefs and how the word Nazi now has lost its meaning* MG: "You're not answering my question!" Destiny: *explains again why the word Nazi has lost meaning and why it isn't needed or necessary if you can hold people to their specific beliefs* MG: "YoUrE gAsLiGhTiNg Me"

[@supersuede91]

gaslight. gatekeep. mrgirl.

[@sthaim1920]

@@supersuede91 Hotel? trivago

[@BrendanishLeo]

Man, I find it absolutely amazing that Max's reasons for not platforming Nick are great reasons no one should've platformed max either. It's not hilarious how max will get an answer to his question, say he didn't, say Steve gaslit him, and then go on for 20 minutes and cry when destiny gets more than 1 sentence out

[@veloz7316]

On god

[@ljsquared3210]

MrGirl is proving himself wrong every 5-10 minutes when he says Destiny is Gaslighting him. Destiny isn't manipulating him into questioning his sanity he is simply telling him he is wrong and doing so demonstrably throughout the argument. Making someone question whether or not you are right or wrong isn't gaslighting its making a good argument. Literally erasing the meaning of gaslighting in an argument about the importance of words and how they are being erased smh.

[@legin777]

Who would've thought Mr. Girl would go on a censorship arc.

[@badstreff]

Fuck yeah Aba. It's a different type of interruption than Sneako's outbursts but it does the same thing. It stilts the conversation and makes them come across as fragile imo. Destiny and Aba, and some other streamers have soooo much patience to pause and ignore it, but as the listener I just want to mute them. Big ups to Aba for saying it directly to Max.

[@Aliyaaaa]

But Mr Girl has this kinda demeaning way of interrupting, which I find a lot worse then sneako, who in comparison just seems emotional and inpatient. Both obviously isn't really good for debate

[@badstreff]

@@Aliyaaaa I know age isn't always a good guide but I kinda expect more of MrGirl. Will be interesting if he actually takes anything from that Aba-pocalypse

[@ryansullivan2635]

Ironic because people like Mr Girl are exactly the type of people that make Fuentes look more appealing. People will take someone who says fucked up shit to their face over someone who says or thinks it quietly to themselves. At least you know what your dealing with with Fuentes.

[@GeekyC]

Always love when Aba makes an appearance 🤣 imagine if preach showed up this would of been gold

[@Gchildwarrior]

He would curse out in Mr.Girl with Haitian fire subtitles

[@randybobandy9828]

Does preach ever get on these destiny debates? I have never seen him.

[@UnCh4rT3D]

preach would probably leave the conversation immediately. he wouldnt put himself through this shit. afaik hes not the type who would have a conversation with people like mr girl cuz theres just no point in it.

[@UnCh4rT3D]

​@@randybobandy9828 he doesnt engage in this type of stuff at all

[@sk8ermGs]

Preach is barely coherent most times 🤣

[@Kappi__]

I love how Mr.girl is basically arguing about if destiny should platform him. If destiny starts only hosting reasonable opinions then we saw max the last time

[@Aliyaaaa]

Lmaoooo

[@MrSporkdude]

Honestly less mr girl would do the world good

[@yusuka4ev830]

Mr.Girl slowly became intolerable as the conversation continued. I'm so happy Aba said what I couldn't.

[@onyxxchidori4214]

Ive never seen someone misuse the word “gaslighting” this bad EVER lmao. It seriously irritates me when people start throwing out random words every time someone starts making sense.

[@xbabu142x]

I just avoid engaging with people who think being gaslit online is a two party issue.

[@ReubMann]

HOLY SHIT. I just had a thought. Mr.Girls secret reddit account probably made that reddit post......

[@ricecake4588]

Have you heard of Ana?

[@onyxxchidori4214]

@@ricecake4588 No, whos that?

[@jokersdemise]

Mr girl vs Mr girls name Finally a worthy opponent.

[@generaldane]

I can see the argument against platforming someone if you're gonna invite them on to just spout their nonsense unchallenged but if you bring them on and allow give them enough rope to hang themselves whilst systematically bit by bit countering their rhetoric in a clear and concise manner I say that's doing a positive overall because how these people build up their influence in the first place is by remaining unchallenged and using pseudo intellectual arguments that have just have the right amount of appeal to sound reasonable if left unchallenged, but as soon as they come under any kind of scrutiny they tend to fold like a piece of paper.

[@ArlindoBuriti]

that is why you dont deplatform people... you can debate him.

[@Tubleorne]

Mr Girl made a really good job making himself look insane lol

[@Jumper76Anton]

This year's buddy of the year award is going to be so difficult with Aba being so based all the time. And Dan being his usual sarcastic self.

[@EminusSleepus]

You clearly don’t know what based means

[@levelfift33n]

Mr Girl just comes as across as obnoxious, I started to lose a lot of my patience and respect for him. its like he has 3 or 4 scripted comebacks when hes losing the argument, "its a simple question is he anazi" or "stop gaslighting me". hes so bent on convincing everyone that he is right that he refuses to ACTUALLY comprehend what anyone else is saying and im so glad Aba called him out on it at the end.

[@Meatwad650]

Aba coming in with the truth.

[@j.n.878]

Aba is the truth

[@randylynch4330]

Aba is a traveling comedian and runs a cultural commentary channel (which often crosses over into the comedy aspect of his career). To call him a "terminally online debate bro" is one of the craziest things ever considering it came from a guy who is a "terminally online debate bro". Most random people think "nazi" is over used

[@wintermintmojo2418]

Its hilarious to me that Jidion and Aba came in and proved Destiny’s point exactly.

[@kensword73]

I think it’s ironic that Max said that the average random person on the street has a good fundamental understanding of politics yet he called out everybody else on the panel for being “terminally online debate bros” for believing the opposite

[@Rain649]

Mr. Girls best situation would be to log off the internet and to just stay to himself. He is such a terminal victim that it comes off as toxic.

[@sharsasuke01]

Kinda crazy how Aba and now Jidion became Destiny orbiter, except they're WAY bigger than him so they're more like orbiting gas giants.

[@walle5949]

Destiny orbits them

[@redrumssam5888]

I think they all just enjoy each other's company and conversation. I REALLY enjoy the discussions Aba has with Destiny, and I try to take away when Jidion comes to them for advice

[@briano9397]

Nobody orbits anyone weirdos they make good content and enjoy being with each other

[@user-sk4ds1rg1z]

do you call your friends orbiters?

[@nigelharvey640]

Mr. Girl fundamentally doesn’t respect the practicality of engaging people where they are and making the little wins. He only wants people to engage from where he is and for them to prove to him why he is wrong. I think Jideon’s question about going to war with Nick was actually a really good point. If Mr. Girl genuinely believes what he does, he should be debating Nick on the spot or killing him or getting him off the platform. Something extreme to match the extreme threat. But trying to convince other people that they should feel the same without using the practicality that Destiny is trying to is just him being too attached to his own purity, to the point of martyrdom, instead of actually changing things for the better. If he doesn’t want to be effective with how people work and doesn’t want to do what must be done in such a dangerous situation, then it’s just complaining. He doesn’t take his own concerns seriously. Why should anyone else? When Destiny said that Max contributed more to people not taking his points seriously, it’s true. And it’s because he doesn’t engage with people’s emotions practically. Max thought he was saying it’s because he didn’t make good enough points or he didn’t grill his friend enough. But it’s the opposite. He doesn’t know how to chill, make a connection, and let people hear the truth in a way that they can digest. Also, thank god for Aba saying what needs to be said.

[@PrimoPete]

I don't think he's attached to his purity to the point of martyrdom at all, I think Max is only slightly more distrustful of Nick that Destiny is, I absolutely honestly think he only escalated to "muh Nick super Nazi" to win the argument when Destiny cooled down his objections in their last stream. Otherwise, he wouldn't even think about the "intimate Mr Girl interview" with Nick since Nick's a couple of years away from a Nazi Germany style dictatorship. Isn't any platforming of Nick leading to a Nazi America(a la 'Man in the High Castle')?

[@nigelharvey640]

@@PrimoPete Max said in the stream that the difference between him and Destiny is that he is willing to destroy his career if it destroys Nick’s career while Destiny is not. I took this to mean Destiny is immoral for keeping his career afloat and taking a calculated risk on Nick instead of burning the bridge and clearly putting down Nick. To me the only reason he would say something like that was if he felt that dying (By this I mean extreme self sacrificing) in the name of something good was better than taking risk to acquire the influence to do the same good. They both agree on what is good but not how to do it. So to me that’s him valuing purity (or another word is integrity) over effectiveness and leverage. And because of this He couldn’t see why Destiny would take such a risk other than to profit off of it himself. Max has always been like that in the convos I’ve seen him in and it’s not a problem to see it that way. That is a value difference in the two of them. However, I think the way Max looks at what Destiny is doing as weak or malicious is an unfair perception (and a big blindspot projection) of what is a ontological difference in how to live life. Max is willing to risk it all to embody the greatest principle. Destiny is willing to risk it all on the influence of the greatest principle (that’s why he said if Nick was able to convince his audience so decisively of his views, we should all be Nazi’s). Very similar values (and it looks like to the point of martyrdom) but different enough to cause this tension in them often and in many forms. I am uncultured swine so I don’t know the reference in the last question but personally I think yes and No. The way I see it, having influence is ammunition for power. The hardcore people that would find solace in Nick’s views are ammunition destined to find him eventually when he starts making moves unless massive action (likely near tyrannical level) is taken to stop Nick entirely. But that middle (including those in Nick’s audience) is what I believe tips the scales in the end. I think this is what Destiny is betting on in building the bridge (and that might be where Destiny and myself are bias and projecting). It may be a huge mistake to bet on those people to make change happen when it counts, but then that’s a conversation on what types of people create the most leverage/power. Interesting topic but one I’m not really equipped to be sure about.

[@Rakstawr]

​​@@PrimoPete assuming in the other extreme that people wouldn't see his ideas for what they were. the whole reason we got Trump in the first place is because no one took him seriously or actually debated his ideas. it wasn't until we understood him that he was able to be defeated. and that could also be the reason Hillary lost too on the flip side of things, she was too well known. it's almost like the opposite of "better the devil you know" holds true for politics nowadays. so I don't disagree with Destiny approach to Nick at all.

[@robinthrush9672]

I've also, despite only seeing him 3-4 times, seen him torpedo his own position by being antagonistic to poorly phrase agreement, rephrasing of his position, and belligerent to others' terms while offering synonymous terms to clarify ("You didn't hurt my feelings, you touched a nerve."). I don't find him to be sincere anymore and simply wanting attention through controversy or complaint.

[@AnubisEternally]

Literally all of this!!

[@phillipoliverholtz9226]

When you're new and watch the drama in reverse... lol

[@machobsful]

Same

[@MrArthurT1100]

MrGirl is exhausting. Can't imagine trying to have a conversation with him.

[@Namasknight]

Feel bad knowing he has a girlfriend who he asks to play dead when they have sex.

[@Rin-id2sd]

@@Namasknight poor girl damn

[@kimbonice]

He's one of those pretentious dudes that thinks he's way smarter than he actually is then when he actually takes an IQ test he's about as average as you can get

[@colbyrob4814]

@@kimbonice bro let’s be honest, he’s probably sub 80 with his ego in the way

[@WanderTheNomad]

I think we should be talking about his EQ instead. He can't seem to understand another person's perspective to save his life.

[@someguy3414]

1:48:27 his feelings were indeed hurt

[@WhyILoveNYC]

“Sometimes you just need to shut up!” Aba you said exactly what I was thinking. A bad listener is usually a BULLY screaming, You’re gaslighting me, you’re gaslighting me!

[@nore5888]

I was listening to this debate live, so many times he didn't shut the hell up, im so glad Jidion came in or else I would have stopped watching

[@EverythingKeem]

I love destiny, but mr. girl does make valid points when he says destiny uses world salad to buy time.

[@nore5888]

@@EverythingKeem and that's fine, but its his way of babying and talking over people that makes him so annoying

[@arthurporter131]

Remember when in their first or second conversation in January Destiny made a joke about how in 9 months Max would be calling him a Nazi? Pepperidge farm remembers.

[@Euthyphro]

I don’t think Max thinks he’s a nazi.

[@SteamedToast]

57:21 This back and forth is actually comical! D: It's possible I contributed MG: HOW DARE YOU HIDE BEHIND 'POSSIBLE' D: It's a possibility MG: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? D: Do you know 100% Nick would have talked to Sneko if it wasn't for me? MG: I didn't say it's 100%! I said it's probable! D: Okay! So it's probable / possible. MG: PROBABLE AND POSSIBLE ARE YOU HIDING! YOU'RE GASLIGHTING ME!

[@REDDAWNproject]

Mr. Girl is literaly embodying that old 4chan pol meme of "I may be a pedophile, but at least i'm not a nazi". (I know its more nuanced than that)

[@REDDAWNproject]

the end of this debate was orgasmic. BASED ABA.

[@RealZeroKaiba]

I love how casually Jidion joins these debates. He has one of the biggest channels in the world and he’s still here taking time out of his day to join up on destiny’s debates and have meaningful conversations. Shout out Jidion!

[@MrSporkdude]

For real thou

[@danielnelson3136]

This video is a great demonstration of the limits of language and how justifications are weaponized, from all sides involved.

[@Trigonxv1]

Mr girl is a great example of someone who thinks they are smarter than everyone in the room

[@railguncs]

like every leftie

[@Shark-hn4mv]

Honestly, I take MrGirl's side despite his arguments. Even though Destiny obviously argues against Nick, Destiny should be more careful about the manner he platforms him.

[@railguncs]

@@Shark-hn4mv careful in what way? the leftie way?

[@roarbertbearatheon8565]

He has a point of view and is expressing it. Terribly sorry if the exercising of free speech intimidates you

[@TheTGOAC]

@@roarbertbearatheon8565 a lot of people exercise their free speech everyday, like me when I call Mr. girl a pompous prick who couldn't debate his way out of kindergarten.

[@swingsetmafia]

Destiny is treating Nick thr same way he treated Mr girl. It's crazy mr girl doesn't realize that if destiny would listen to him and just starting calling nick a nazi and distance himself/not platform him that would have been akin to destiny just calling Mr girl a pedo and refusing to platform him beginning. Mrgirl doesn't have the following he has right now without destiny's platforming philosophy.

[@Tavat]

Great point

[@TheOriginalKabelo]

Agreed. I had the same observation and wondered if I was off base since no one has put this forward as a push back against this dumb arc.

[@righteousrawb7225]

Exactly!! Now with Mr.Girl being Jewish I can kinda understand him being blinded by this fact with Nick Fuentes in the equation, but he needs to realize Destiny has to contend civilly with his politcal/social opposites to create real change, regardless of whatever hurt extreme leftist feelings there might be

[@kfr3823]

mrgirl is not against destiny platforming him. he just wants destiny to be upfront about how he views Nick Fuentes and be clear about it. if destiny actually thought mrgirl was a p-word, he absolutely should have made that clear.

[@swingsetmafia]

@@kfr3823 Mr girl is going way beyond just the surface level call him a nazi and make it clear. hes arguing that hes letting nick into his circle and exposing him to his audience and droves upon droves of people made the same arguemtns against mr girl and for a while destiny was the lone person bringing him back on and continuing to platform him. we are repeating the same discource about platforming and word meanings except mr girl is now apart of the crowd who used to demand destiny not platform him.

[@RingThatBell]

Destiny: “Words don’t have the same meanings anymore.” MrGirl: Proceeds to prove Destiny’s point by constantly accusing Destiny of gaslighting.

[@BishopTrask]

This guy is everything wrong with The discourse. His obsession with the labels and having to label somebody is what everybody refers to when they point to a bad faith actor who wants to disregard a person's arguments by labeling them in a way that dismisses them as a person. destiny is 100% right that it is more important to argue the points and policies of a person than it is to find an easy way to categorize them and even if you had a definition that could accurately categorize somebody the second you introduce a new person to the circle you have to redefine it which is a waste of time because that new person is going to have a different interpretation of that label

[@Kryto_Gaming]

I'm glad to see I'm not the crazy one lol. Seeing all of the "MR.GIRL IS RIGHT ON EVERYTHING WHY IS DESTINY SO BAD FAITH AND EMOTIONA?!" threads on the Destiny subreddit have been making me question if I'm the insane one.

[@red_Sun24]

he is obviously not trying to disregard him for being a nazi, he's already had long discussions w people he says are nazis, like richard spencer, he just thinks that destiny's being overly accomodating to the point that he's being dishonest about nicks real positions

[@termitreter6545]

Its a bit different when you talk about if someone is a nazi and youre helping to spread his beliefs. I think Destiny has a point, but its not like MrGirl is completely off reality.

[@meltedsnowman9637]

@@red_Sun24 That really wasn’t what was even discussed in this conversation. One of Mr girl’s primary points was that he should be able to put a label on Nick Fuentes and call him a nazi. Destiny disagrees and believes more effective to engage with his actual ideas rather than trying to put a label on something, especially when the label would require a lot of speculation into Nick’s inner thought process that destiny can’t really prove.

[@frigyoutube1510]

i agree its more important to argue the points and policies, but objectively destiny is avoiding casting judgement on nick (and rightly so, it would likely impact their working relationship).

[@cheatyhotbeef2636]

Summary of the video: Mrgirl's actions -MrGirl interrupts Destiny while getting made when Destiny interrupts him. -Has 0 charitability when engaging (Literally accuses him of gaslighting instead of assuming he misunderstood) -Rants, then when Destiny tries responding, interrupts him by performatively screaming "you don't have an answer" -Doesn't believe what Destiny says (Assumption of bad faith) -Accuses Destiny of being too scared to respond (He won't let Destiny speak) Destiny's actions -Writes down all of MrGirl's points so he can respond. -Allows the ranting to get all his points out -Asks clarifying questions instead of crucifying him (MrGirl believes this is obfuscation when it isn't) -Tries to steelman MrGirls argument instead of attacking the least charitable positions -Takes a rhetorical L by letting MrGirl using emotional appeals via ranting.

[@ulysses7653]

🤓

[@Tavat]

Dude’s a mess.

[@mclazerz8931]

Sounds like a couple of my exes

[@he.5865]

He's making the claims he should be leading the convo and he should OBVIOUSLY have more talking time and OBVIOUSLY have more justification for interrupting.

[@he.5865]

'What positions make a nzi?' he knows this and is willing to speculate on whether anyone else is. 'Is Nick a nzi?' Don't know, maybe? Don't care. 'So you don't know his position's?' WHATTTT I KNOW HIS POSITIONS BETTER THAN YOU LMAOOO - destiny steelmaning and responding to every point. Destiny completly evaded every opportunity too actually engage. I agree more with destiny's position but he screwed up this convo.

[@moopuspoopus]

The main issue I have is that Max is arguing from a point of, "Worst case scenario", which, by his own admission, is beyond unlikely to happen. Not that it WON'T happen, but the likelihood is incredibly, incredibly slim. To Max's credit, I think giving someone more influence/wealth, albeit as a secondary means to trying to, or successfully defeating their ideas, is definitely a negative. HOWEVER, I think the incredibly important position that Destiny/Aba/JiDion are taking, is that obtaining a broader idea of what Nick believes is of inestimable importance, because not everyone is going to be as remotely open as Nick is to talk about their beliefs, OR they will be even sneakier with their language. They also may not even be on the same side of the political spectrum as Nick, (just as a throwaway example, those on the left who also don't like interracial marriage) so calling them a *bad WW2 person* won't help you win any real points. In general, being able to say something beyond, "I don't like this person because they're a *insert prototypical belief structure/bad word here*" and INSTEAD be able to say, "I don't like this person because they believe in these 357 awful things that I personally detest or disagree with" is far more helpful to the individual. Not only because they can understand why they disagree with the things they disagree with, instead of being mindlessly against some sort of abstract web of beliefs; but it means you aren't painting your opposition with a giant broad stroke, and avoid getting caught in situations where you assume they hold beliefs that they don't actually hold. Which would then weaken your position, and allow your opposition to be able to sneak in a "gotchya" moment. That being said, I also think it's super important to keep in mind that said opposition is still a human being, and should be treated like a human being; no matter how awful or abhorrent you find their beliefs. So treating them as though they're simply crazy doesn't really help any sort of realistic or helpful discourse progress (even if they ARE crazy). But hey, I'm just a fucking internet nerd with plenty of shitty opinions, myself ;)

[@moopuspoopus]

However, to stick up for Max a bit again, I don't think he has a bad point or that he's wrong by any means. I simply think his idea of how to handle the situation, and the priority he puts on attempting to prevent particular outcomes is different. That's all.

[@creeperrobot6859]

Aba was right about Mr. Girl. It was so infuriating watching him talk over people. Even though he made some good points, I found myself disregarding them completely because he's so annoying.

[@righteousrawb7225]

Damn

[@JoeMama-gi1so]

Disregarding points because someone is annoying is very illogical. I hope that you can value facts and logic in the near future so that you can find the truth.

[@creeperrobot6859]

​@@JoeMama-gi1so What I meant by that, is that even though he was making good points I was so annoyed, that part of me didn’t care. I recognize they were good points, but his delivery made me feel like disregarding them. Mr. Girl needs to improve his delivery, like Aba said, in order to better reach more people.

[@WanderTheNomad]

@@JoeMama-gi1so Illogical maybe, but not unreasonable. At least not to a normal person. You can either wish/force everyone to be completely logical unfeeling robots, or you can meet them where they're at and treat them as they are. I personally think the latter would be more effective at accomplishing whatever goals you wish to achieve.

[@JoeMama-gi1so]

@@WanderTheNomad I know what you mean but I think sometimes I have a large character flaw, I'm just too logical sometimes.

[@-godsspeed-9159]

Mr. Girl just seems like he wants to win the argument instead of meeting common ground, what a terrible way to debate

[@cceste6885]

He doesn't think there can be common ground because the situation is so dire and the solution is so simple. I honestly agree, the way that Destiny has been interacting with Nick is rhetorically weak. Every inch Nick gets on Destiny's audience is more people contributed to Nicks movement. Nick says things that Destiny doesn't push back on, which lets Nick gain ground with Destiny's audience. Nick comes off as a harmless right-winger to most, which just lets us lend him a bit more good faith than he deserves. I also hate Mr. Girl, he just can not have a conversation without throwing out bad faith accusations.

[@robinthrush9672]

Sometimes it doesn't even feel like he wants to win; just that he wants the argument. Look at that White Grievance discussion and how he's antagonistic to people agreeing with him, but not the way he wants them to.

[@meltedsnowman9637]

@@cceste6885 Mr girl could not have come across rhetorically less effective than this conversation though. Mr girl definitely didn’t convince anyone who didn’t already agree with him and likely pushed a lot of people who did agree with him further away from him. Mr girl is such a terrible listeners, interrupts constantly and is so aggressive, bad faith and unbelievably uncharitable to the people he’s talking to that it makes him so absurdly dislikable to the people watching. If anything mr girl was providing cover for Nick Fuentes here by providing such an unbelievably rhetorically ineffective argument against Nick Fuentes that convinces no one who disagrees with him and will only push away people who already agree with him, just due to how unbelievably dislikable and rhetorically ineffective mr girl comes off.

[@colbyrob4814]

@@cceste6885 actual autism. Take a deep breath buddy. The scary Nazi man that ate chicken and waffles with Destiny isn't going to slam down your door and gun you down. This fake as fuck, Soy ass way of talking about Nick and his America First shit, like he's going to be gunning down people in the streets because Destiny talks to him is actually so bad faith and just straight cringe.

[@MrSporkdude]

It's just endurance he's hoping to just widdle destiny down until he agrees then when destiny doesn't do what he wants he'll hold it over his head classic manipulation

[@ZachariahP15]

Aba really hurt him deep when he said 'I dont like you'

[@Shniedelwoodz]

MrGirl is pretty good at projecting his own thoughts onto others.

[@cosipurple]

Empaths in a nutshell

[@odst2247]

Pretty sure that’s communication in a nutshell..

[@C1umsyJester]

@@cosipurple as an empath I’d like to say mrgirl is absolutely insane and has no ability to regulate any of their thoughts or emotions. Just because you feel at extremes doesn’t mean you need to act on all those things

[@unfortunate000]

@@odst2247 then you lack communication skills

[@odst2247]

@@unfortunate000 communication is literally projecting your thoughts into others the hell are you talking about. How else are you gonna communicate, telepathy?

[@blueboi5140]

Mr. Girl seems to know what everyone is thinking and has this paranoid idea that every sentence is some attempt to obfuscate and change subject because his arguments are just too good to be engaged. I bet he's a nightmare to be in a relationship with. Also strange how when Aba was giving legitimate criticism accompanied by insults Mr.Girl wasn't very receptive. Funny how that works huh?

[@pedro15305]

Damn man, I'm absolutely on mrgirl's side of the argument. Destiny is overly friendly with Fuentes, which makes him and his abhorrent views more palatable to a highly influential audience (which he knows but doesn't care cause the exchange is positive from his perspective); but god damn mrgirl engages and attacks it in such a garbage way its hard to be on his side. He only makes it look worse. Edit: Based Aba

[@samflynn3670]

yep, right message, wrong messenger maybe

[@WanderTheNomad]

@@samflynn3670 I would say definitely, not maybe.

[@bayazwow]

I feel MrGirl's pain on the non-committal language part. It's so out of character for Destiny too because in the past he would get frustrated with far left people for never owning their positions, now he is doing the exact same thing. But somewhere down the line MrGirl's argument changed from just being annoyed that Destiny won't speak out against Fuentes with strong words, to MrGirl having a problem with Destiny platforming Fuentes at all. And that's just horseshit. Of course then it devolved into memeing and Aba and MrGirl hating each other

[@norsegaud]

Destiny, the reason I subscribe to you and not MrGirl is exactly because of your stance on debating people. Labeling them just polarizes and shuts down any opportunity. Keep doing what you're doing please.

[@justanothernick3984]

Help me understand one thing here; Between two nitpickers here, MrGirl, annoying as he is, is holding Destiny's feet to the fire. How is he wrong? I agree to understanding to build bridges instead of shutting down conversation but Destiny just went Jordan Peterson on definitions and it's fair for MrGirl to point that out. This I say as a long time Destiny sub and as a guy who dislikes most of the conversations with MrGirl. Don't know why I entered this video...

[@norsegaud]

@@justanothernick3984 Who said MrGirl is wrong?

[@justanothernick3984]

@@norsegaud Destiny isn't engaging in the question and is slithering like JBP when being confronted. That's all.

[@norsegaud]

@@justanothernick3984 Hmm... I didn't see slithering. Are you sure you aren't just imagining that because you're not getting the reaction you want?

[@justanothernick3984]

@@norsegaud Nope, I quite like Destiny's centrist takes but not enough to hide the ball.

[@Treetale]

I LOVE ABA!!! He said what we all want to say to Mr. Girl.

[@jackorlove4055]

Mr. Girl is agonizingly pedantic, like to an unproductive degree. And it doesn't help that he can't move on from a point, it's seriously like listening to a broken record. He keeps saying the same thing and keeps getting the same answer. This was more like an interrogation than a debate or conversation... Mr. Girl already knows what he wants to hear come out of Destiny's mouth and keeps pushing him to say it, but the problem is that Mr. Girl is assuming Destiny isn't being honest, when he is. Like at some point dude you need to realize when it's time to move on and let it go. You're not gaining any ground, so maybe it's time to reassess your assumptions about Destiny, and your assumptions about what he's doing? There was so much whataboutism too.. why aren't we talking about the potential benefit of what Destiny is doing, versus if he wasn't doing it? Like it automatically is just bad? Again Mr. Girl is just making massive assumptions and leaping to a conclusion. I also hate how he constantly feels the need to speak over people as if the words coming out of his mouth matter more. Aba is right, it is highly egotistical. Mr. Girl, the Reason you probably feel gas lit all the time is because it's legitimately insane how inflexible you are, like to an irrational degree. You were starting to sound like that guy in the Klaus Schwabbe debate who basically refused to debate Destiny and spent half of it reading this massive essay on the new world order. It's like if you don't hear the answer you want to hear your brain just melts down and you assume he's being dishonest. It's give and take dude. Learn when it's time to move on to a new point. Destiny gave you an answer, and again, if he's being honest, there's only so much to pick apart, which is why you kept going in these huge circles, over and over and over.

[@bookoo0193]

I feel bad that this comment is probably gonna get berried but i feel the same. at first it was endearing but after watching a couple of conversations with others, under the suedo intellectual veneer is just someone with his own idealized vision of the world in his head and an absolute refusal to see the world as it actually is. The fact that he keeps harping on about how destiny has the power to define words to a community that is extremely loose and dictated on loads of extenuating circumstances of which he is only the figurehead for is extremely telling.

[@robinthrush9672]

As someone who is pedantic, he is exhausting. He takes pedantry to a whole new level. If someone doesn't agree with him _they way he wants it to_, he will make an antagonistic remark and push it away. Dude won't win because he makes it impossible for himself.

[@sanudasa5652]

If this comment was on Mr. Girl's reddit it would be deleted

[@timetotalktitanic7381]

Reading the comments on here shows me that Destiny’s community actually hates MrGirl (or STRONGLY dislikes)…

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

Good.

[@ForeverMasterless]

I used to like him but he's becoming insufferable

[@Jst.a.Normal.Bottle.of.Mustard]

He is insufferable to listen to, literally just has a position and the talks over everyone and treats them like an idiot until they agree with him or get mad

[@DaloWrld]

Relatable

[@rjaymurphy]

correct - We are over it

[@SaxaphoneMan42]

MrGirl really plays the victim so well, must come easily with such frequent practice. Dam Aba hit the nail on the head about him.