ABANDONED Villains: The Proctors Explored | The Walking Dead Universe

[@Swell-Films]

I don’t usually do skits like the one at the end, but I think it conveys my frustration well lol. Hope you guys enjoy!

[@jackte5796]

It was good, im glad you made a vid on these guys, I would honestly think it’d be cool to work on a full ftwd rewrite and try to connect them into the later fear villains (none from s4💀)

[@CyberFangKO]

Actually funny so you're allowed this ONE! 👌

[@Powergenetic]

I liked it lol. It was different, the video was informative and kudos to you for getting nearly 15 minutes out of some lore which has well ... Very little lore to work from while also keeping it entertaining. Loving the videos all round though, I genuinely look forward to them!

[@garretgreen1449]

i'm so happy to see you break out of your shell as a creator going from being a figure only showing the back of your chair to doing a funny skit satirically showing your feelings on the mishandling of this plotline!

[@rexadex7269]

Breakdown was great, the skit was even better 👌💯 definitely do again lol just not too common. (not that it was bad, but the exact opposite actually.) It's a fun little surprise (in a sense) that we could get every once in awhile.

[@AkuIa]

This show would've been better than the main show if it Dave Erickson never left

[@DD-bv9jl]

Maybe not if Darabont also hadn't left

[@handsomeman9433]

@@DD-bv9jlyikes

[@handsomeman9433]

Yikes

[@Steiper]

I agree

[@taupexmauve]

Definitely, it would’ve been the best zombie apocalypse TV show in general

[@X525Crossfire]

The Proctors could have been such amazing long-running villains considering Dave Erickson was a Sons of Anarchy alumnus 😔

[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

I saw Troy die.

[@Ziolek.2000]

The change between creative teams between S3 and S4 was the worse decision made in the shows history and it never recovered from that horrible mistake. They went from an amazing S3 to absolutely dogshit is S4.

[@pineapplepapercrafts]

I am binging the whole series. And was wondering what the fuck happened between the two seasons. I was like why are we what are we doing. Did we have to bring Morgan back... like I don't hate him, but like why. I was loving where season 3 went then season 4 came was was here's like here's new stuff. Have fun. What....

[@empressink_]

@@pineapplepapercrafts Morgan's story ended in the main show. He had no reason to appear in Fear, which was supposed to be a prequel. So unfortunate how they handled the Manawa/Clark family.

[@rudydesi]

100 % agree. The new writers screwed it up

[@TheNickSweat]

Erickson DID NOT step down from the show! Gimple was put in charge of the on-screen universe and gave the boot to Erickson as soon as he could. He brought in Shameless & Goldberg to ruin the show, along with bringing over his favorite character Morgan. Think about what that means. Gimple literally killed the entire series under the guise of a "crossover". It ended up being a takeover because he wanted to see more of his favorite character. It's disgusting behavior and, paired with the Carl debacle, tells me he should never be forgiven. I loved Madison & Nick so much. We were robbed of four more seasons worth of great storytelling.

[@rudydesi]

I say they should pull a dexter. Have a new season starting after season 3. Ignoring the events of season 4 thr 8

[@AidenWestbrookMusic]

I hope the shame of ruining Fear follows Ian and Andrew throughout the rest of their careers

[@kylemeyerss]

Fr. I genuinely have so much despise for them bc of what they did to this incredible show.

[@devriestown]

🤳🤳🤳🤳🤳👍

[@kalebgaming5648]

Same i really loved the show till they killed everyone and ruined it so upsetting

[@ghostplasma5590]

That is just blind hating on your part. They proved they are capable of creating gold stories with S6 and great fresh enviroments with S7. The thing struggled with was the 16 episode format. They always had strong starts,middles and ends. They took the "episodes 1,7,8,9 and 16 are interesting and the rest is fillar" too much to heart in seasons 4,5,7 and 8. They would be Perfect for the spin off's 6 episodes format

[@Weltshmerz]

​@@kylemeyerssi despise people who despise those who did nothing to hurt them

[@OliverRender]

Abandoning the Proctors was where the show turned to ass. Season 3 was so strong and having the Proctors as a Savior type equivalent would have been amazing for Season 4. Instead, we got long dragged out stories, jumping on crocodiles and a nuclear bomb that made no sense..

[@WorldofTomorrowInc]

forget the proctors, the real shame is loosing Taqa and the other Native American characters. Those were some good characters.

[@Swell-Films]

Agreed. I respect Michael Greyeyes for not wanting to return out of principle.

[@householdgambler]

Ya Tara was amazing

[@rudydesi]

Agree both. Fear had some great ideas. I still enjoyed Troy too. He was fears negan

[@_Devil]

Common trend throughout Fear's run. Creative hands keep changing every Season and nobody knows what direction to take. It's like each Season is a whole new show with how loosely connected they are with the rest of the series lmao

[@marcadams6397]

The Proctors could & should have been bigger than the Saviors.

[@Swell-Films]

They absolutely could have been. They were well established pre apocalypse, and had a winder spread before they saviours were even formed.

[@MCPE_YT]

They already were

[@marcadams6397]

@@MCPE_YT i was talking bout storytelling . They could have had the Proctors as the big bad for at least 2 to 3 seasons of Fear.

[@TheNickSweat]

@@marcadams6397 that was actually Erickson's plan for them. According to an interview they would've basically been around until the end since Madison was eventually supposed to kill Proctor John and inherit the organization for her own use. Madison would've started the apocalypse as a mom trying to protect her kids. and end as a ruthless, Machiavellian villain that's lost her family due to her own decisions.

[@PsyrikAntz967831]

⁠@@TheNickSweat is there a way to find the interview? Me and a friend are trying to carry on Erickson’s legacy with a rewrite of our own but taking place in the same universe as comics/Telltale

[@Requiem-mp9de]

Troy should have came back with the proctors

[@Weltshmerz]

That actually makes more sense than him surviving those hammer blows alone

[@Requiem-mp9de]

@@Weltshmerz yeah they could have used doctors or something to help him and after john dies Troy becomes leader and goes after madison eventually finding padre

[@kingdevin_]

Fear The Walking dead lowkey ended after season 3 for me at least because they were all over the place after that😂 The Proctors had so much potential just to be wasted and thrown down the drain, literally in this chase lol but I loved the comic sense you put into this video and the end of the best😂

[@Swell-Films]

100% agreed brother. Glad you enjoyed! 😂

[@mariaytinexposer]

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[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

It always felt like they just didn’t watch the show Wow

[@Fullymetaljacket]

Bro it’s honestly CRAZY how hard they fumbled this show after season 3😭😭😭

[@aaronpasetti]

Gotta rub my head really fast like Shane. Dude these villains would have been so awesome in FTWD it’s just sad they got rid of them and the show runner didn’t even watch the show. Tbh FTWD season 1-3 were great but watching the rest were just bad. Great job to on the video

[@stinkydinkyps3]

I loved the whole established apocalyptic trading posts they had and how it was based in Mexico. Realistic they could survive for a long time knowing how mkat building are already reinforced there. Would have been cool to see some more negotiations and interactions with the cartel

[@wolfguywerewolfchannel2099]

The Proctors were my favorite villain group in FTWD despite the fact that they were only in a few episodes. That's how good Erickson's writing was.

[@MistarZtv]

so sad what happened to fear, it was one of the few shows i actually looked forward to every week. the setting between LA, Water and the Cali/Tijuana border also was a visual treat even if the story was weaker than the main show. because i had grown so discontent with the constant emotional torture and suffering the main show had gotten to at that point and tv during that time just being super obsessed with being dark and gritty.

[@fresh_labz1015]

I prefer the Chad Dave Erickson then the simp Ian Goldberg and Andrew Chambliss

[@imasking1658]

The guy who played John Proctor was also a villain on “Mayans MC” on FX. It was about a Mexican Biker gang on the border that traded in drugs ( And a Sons of Anarchy spinoff) that’s just a bit to parallel a story line and may have influenced the change of direction.

[@tombstonesoda2767]

He was the main villain of season 4 of sons too.

[@diegoprodriguez]

Maybe I’m wrong, but if you’re taking the reins from someone, I feel like at the very least professional courtesy should be like “Hey, we should have a smooth transition. Here’s everything that’s happened and what it could potentially lead to” and you should at the very least listen. I hope AMC realize that’s probably why Fear dropped off. Such a drastic change they never really recovered

[@Dramghrul]

Just started watching fear for the first time and the shift from season 3 to 4 seems so drastic and off putting

[@eatonmahfeelins]

Leave now, it doesn't get better, it drags any enjoyment you had out of it.

[@OliverRender]

@@eatonmahfeelins Parts of Season 6 are ok, but yeh it's pretty awful on the whole. Season 5 and 8 in particular, a couple of terrible writers.

[@empressink_]

@@OliverRender The only thing I like about season 6 was Dwight and Sherry but idk, that would've made fit Tales more.

[@apricotm3800]

Another great video by Ty Swell

[@dison1172]

I think they could have gotten away with dropping them if there was a bit of dialogue in season 4 mentioning that John died and there was infighting that led to the destruction of the organization. Is it good? No but it at least gives a reason why they are gone.

[@NewWorldSwedeFinn]

I actually was loving fear more than the main show by season 3 and that's probably why Erickson had to go because Scott gimple could see that as well I'm sure 😀. It's a real shame we never got to see what Erickson's version of this show could have been. Goldberg and Chambliss are idiots but I put the blame squarely on the shoulders of Gimple and his incompetence.

[@kj2369]

I love how they chose Ray McKinnon to play Proctor John. In sons of anarchy, McKinnon plays a US DA hellbent on taking down a motorcycle club. But in fear, he plays a motorcycle club president lol

[@ns2219]

Crazy Horse should've stayed, I liked the Proctors and their plan for the Houston electrical grid etc..... def should've kept the proctors ... the Vultures were cheese, the English teacher was horrible

[@ian7064]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees John proctor in his dreams every night

[@AdeptusCustodeCiff]

i love the amount of effort into your video and was very fun to watch!

[@mrgray5576]

Morgan. Thats why, they wanted the star power bs over well written stories

[@rocioquiroz11]

Honestly really happy this storyline was completely abandoned. No way to ruin them like they did Troy. For me personally Fear ended here and nothing after this is canon to Fear or the rest of the Walking Dead. I know those are fighting words but season 4 and beyond are completely unwatchable. Don't care if season 6 was okay, i don't watch tv for okay television.

[@m.grahamburger2042]

FTWD died after the Dam exploded. Everything after should have been Madison's dream while drowning then reset it back to how it should have been,

[@B-zk9bt]

Ty leaves the studio for this video, oh my god I’m shocked.

[@Swell-Films]

Doing what I gotta do for answers 😤

[@dumboi5407]

Why didn’t they bring back the proctors in season 8 instead of Troy?

[@langdonledwig3734]

I would guess the actors were either never asked or said no if asked

[@Wilson876]

I only just found your channel but I already love your recent videos

[@Swell-Films]

Thanks for watching mate!

[@the_neo_crusader]

Bro that was awesome

[@winstonpoplin]

These Walking Dead videos are truly great. Keep up the good work!

[@soundsonsaturn2872]

I'm still wondering what happened to crazy dog and qaletaqa. I don't think we ever got closure about them.

[@willyjakkz]

The Ranch to the Proctors/ Dam storyline from Season 3 is just as good as any Season of TWD!

[@ZOMBiFOX13]

This video popped up in my recommendations, and when i glanced at the thumbnail, i thought the dude was Richard Hammond for a second.

[@danielmcghee1994]

Wasn't the leader of the bike gang a cop in sons of anarchy as well will it be weird if he took the role of a biker gang after learning everything from the sons of anarchy after the apocalypse happened as like a new identity because no one knew his past that'd be a crazy twist 🤘🤔 also amazing content

[@imasking1658]

I’m not sure of the timing but it’s close enough to suspect a possible conflict of interest between the same actors playing 2 characters in separate franchises with that many parallels.

[@kalebgaming5648]

Omg I fucking hated the grey look they added pissed me off so much that and how they killed nick off they did this show so dirty

[@ghostplasma5590]

Blame Nick's actor for his death. He wanted to die in S3. The fact we got him at all in S4 was a negotiating masterpiece on the part of Fear

[@kalebgaming5648]

@@ghostplasma5590 really that sucks any idea why he wanted to leave?

[@ghostplasma5590]

@@kalebgaming5648 from what I remember it was basically the fact that due to Travis's death he was after Madison the most main character. He knew that Dave had at least a 7 season plan and that none of the Clarks would die until at least S6 if Dave was in charge. He felt like such a commitment to a single character at his age prevents him from growing as an actor so he wants off to pursue other shows and characters. Which I mean fair. Unlike the main show where for example Andrew Lincoln knew what he was signing up for when he got Rick's role there was no "source material" for Fear so he might have thought the show won't last that many years or his character won't be as essential as it became in S3. But due to natural writing process he became the secondary protagonist (kind of like Alicia when Morgan came into the show and replaced Madison) and he didn't want to commit to it

[@MCPE_YT]

​@@ghostplasma5590bro left fear and still havent got to play an known character in other media 😭🙏🏽

[@PsyrikAntz967831]

The only way this could ever be redeemed is if the original story of Fear TWD was retold in the comic/Telltale universe (being the same universe). They could do so much more with it, on top of the fact that there were plenty of characters that either left, never returned, or died due to personal obligations, business obligations, creative conflict, and morals from the change in show runners (E.g., Travis could possibly have lived longer in the comic universe for all we know). Hopefully Dave Erickson and Robert Kirkman think about taking it this direction.

[@NH-ow8dy]

Your content is great man, I have just been going through them and they are done so well. Thanks!

[@Swell-Films]

Hey thanks so much I really appreciate that!

[@manofaction1807]

As Season 3 ended, so did the show. The quality of the series went from Pretty good to Absolute garbage in the space of 3 episodes.

[@shinijoker42]

In watching the Walking Dead show and spinoffs, it reminds me a lot of the Resident games. Usually, their first ideas or concept art and etc, are the best. What sucks are the characters, plotlines and so forth that are left to rot away on the side.

[@Gamecenter456]

I know seasons 1-3 weren’t the best but I really wanted the original writer to have more time to work out the story. lol Nick getting Troy wasted in season 3 was hilarious. I wish they kept on the original plan for this series.

[@abramsullivan7764]

I forgot that Fear The Walking Dead was a show or even exsit.

[@Jay-eu8uc]

TY Swell for president

[@louismendoza-y9l]

It's so obvious, no one cares about continuity, except the people who watch the show. Good vid really funny.

[@Wcplays377]

Stopping kids from saying first

[@gjzxkhkyddykdyi]

Doing God's work

[@joshuas390]

Second

[@B-zk9bt]

Third

[@gamerwolffang2722]

Thirty-Third

[@Weltshmerz]

You're no better by acknowledging them

[@MercedesDiane]

I didn't know the creative teamed changed. I was wondering WTF happened. It was a struggle to finish the show.

[@Gorf-vp7fm]

Erickson didn’t step down, he was fired

[@AJadedLizard]

I've so far only seen Season 1 but I really enjoyed how Fear started; it frustrates me to know it feel apart like this.

[@manofaction1807]

Would have been cool if there was a SOA/Fear crossover.... I'd still watch it, if made today.

[@killuminatepeacefulness3948]

The writers of fear failed us

[@Swell-Films]

The greatest truth there’s ever been.

[@charlescraft5582]

Say what you will but I thoroughly enjoyed the Morgan & Friends Adventure Hour.

[@kaydog2450]

There are so many characters on fear the walking dead that seem to have vanished without explanation like tobias from season 1 i think alot of people who watched fear the walking dead didnt really care about certain characters and what happened to them

[@sidheart8905]

love the way how you transitioned to tragedy part 😂😂

[@blakedevitt6948]

Is that Lincoln Potter?

[@Swell-Films]

I believe it’s the same actor

[@Saraibp]

I'm real curious about the original direction that was planned, even if it could have changed during production. This is 100% because i loved Erickson's seasons and hate the direction the show took after

[@242Diego]

Very, very well made video! Totally agree the whole way... So sad from season 4, it could have been an awesome show..

[@242Diego]

Because of the love for TWD, I'll buy U a pizza! 10 bucks in DK is a pizza 😛

[@242Diego]

Something's wrong with the postal number, sorry Ty......

[@rebecca4503]

I’m sorry I was loving this video so much then I realized 11:39 is that yung gravy?

[@joobisnoob]

SWELL FILMS FEEDING US GOOOOOD

[@marcfield1234]

I noticed that. They just disappeared right along with Maddison. Enter the magic Damn.

[@zachwoodworth2121]

As someone who just finished season 3. I have a huge question about the ranch storyline. Namely the size of and equipment of the militia Like I understand they got overrun as they were leaving the outpost. but while there the militia seemed to number in the hundreds if not thousands. Which would be consistent with running an outpost away from the ranch Also tons of humvees with mounted guns. Nick initially saw a medivac helicopter. Along with tons of other equipment and weapons. You’d think they would have brought some of those to the ranch. Like they were already planning on leaving so the bulk of that stuff should have been at camp already Yet by the time they get to the ranch the militia is like a few dozen people and none of the high power weapons. Just guns and ammo each resident brought themselves Idk it’s just to me it’s a huge discrepancy

[@gamerwolffang2722]

Thank you Swell

[@jtkodack03]

In my opinion, this show was so much better than the original... It sucks so bad that they changed the writers.

[@rudydesi]

I think what should happen since many are upset is like dexter is doing. Make one 12 episode season of fear starting from the events of season 3. Maybe by 2 years or so. Ignore events of season 4 thru 8.

[@jamesbodnarchuk3322]

I’m really enjoying this

[@jamesbodnarchuk3322]

How bout Dawn of the dead?

[@tombstonesoda2767]

What is it with Ray McKinnon and motorcycle clubs?

[@keithmartin1328]

Reminds me of Bartertown.

[@breadinterview8912]

7:51 So basically scavengers

[@isabella-lp3nw]

As far as the damn, didn’t that other Mexican lady take over the water distribution after the proctors blew up… cuz she was starting to get a bit stingy with it herself it seemed like…. But I think we’re expected to assume the proctors blew up on the damn.. as far as the cohorts who weren’t there, again we assume they just started doing their own things , just kept living life as they pleased instead of how the masta told them too..

[@Cyxap1844]

Always thought proctor John was Dwight

[@dakotabarber6648]

I am laughing so hard hahahaha great ending

[@LordCraneo2]

Wait wtf, never in my wildest dreams I would have imagined they would make a location based on my home city of Mexicali. The hell lul

[@bonkripper77]

In season 8 as part of Troy's group you can see a couple proctors

[@Swell-Films]

I can’t find any evidence those are proctors

[@bonkripper77]

@Swell-Films I know they was wearing proctors jackets but atleast it's a small reference to them existing after they got rid of erikson

[@KamikazeCommie501]

Do a video on why every antagonist gang in the entire walking dead universe dresses like a biker gang.

[@Tylerbean973]

I never got past season 3 on fear I don’t know why I just got bored of the characters I guess

[@mattkenway1383]

If theres a change in show runner writer or director the new one should watch the whole series before they can begin to work at said series

[@LoganWalker2013]

I hope the Proctors return in another spinoff like tales of the walking dead

[@rich1217]

lol 😂 you’re a legend mate.

[@chetisanhart3457]

The should have focused more on the Proctors and less on fake death reunions.

[@InitialAA]

If Darabont and Erickson had stayed...

[@Lucafincato]

They didint even sound alike bad guys!

[@Swell-Films]

I think that’s one of the most interesting aspect to them. They are villains to our characters, but overall their trade route plans would actually help restart society eventually. It was for their own benefit for power, but it did actually help the survivors near the border in the early days. Such a shame we didn’t see this plot line play out, I could’ve see Madison and our fear crew overthrow John and take over the proctors

[@chapincity]

I had forgotten this storyline. The Proctors just weren't it for me.

[@FnRenner]

Fear shouldn't have had a main character between seasons. It should have been a story of The Road instead of this group or that.

[@peterloveydovey]

Ty you kinda look like a young John Proctor ….😮 another time loop??

[@themagnificentorange672]

Lowkey love your vids bro 😂

[@tuff3jay]

The damn blew up at the same time the CDC did

[@darkmarvel1953]

@1:12 diamond city anybody or what 😅

[@Swell-Films]

Totally lol

[@john98765333]

Man, no wonder why the show crashed after season 3.

[@NH-ow8dy]

ALSO this ending here - YES! Lol agreed!!!!!

[@Johndoriescolt]

To be fair if they watched the show I don’t think it would have been any better I just think they not good writers.😅 Maybe the at least could have come up with a cohesive storyline to continue instead of coming up with a new one each season. The lader seems easier to me.

[@MCPE_YT]

Lmao this video is a masterpiece

[@242Diego]

I think Shane Walsh deserves a video for himself... ;-)

[@6DCNostrada]

Ian GOLDBERG 🤓

[@ghostplasma5590]

People are quick to hate the new shoruners and I agree they didn't handle everything the best they could have....but I also blame Dave Erickson's ego. He wantsd to sabotage S4 as much as he could nefore he left which is something he admitted to with Troy. The only reason he killed him off was bwcouse he "didn't want anyone to ruin him". And there is evidence to prove he sabotaged S4 further: 1. The only person we see survive the dam is Madison. There are a few reasons; Nick wanted off so the finale was his initial send off. But Fear's new crew had some masters of negotiations and convinced him to do on more season. We also know Mad Dog and Walker didn't come back becouse they wanted to work with Dave and no one else. I truly do believe the reason he didn't show everyone aside for Nick,Walker and Mad Dog was becouse he HOPED more people would not continue for S4 and he wanted to give them an exit IN THIS SEASON. Which is pretty scummy 2. He intentionally had all the big shots in the Proctors arrive at the dam and blow up without showing the survive so the new crew had to either abandon the plotline,had them all survive AN EXPLOSION WITH NO CONSEQUENCES or introduce even more important leaders at which point you undermine John Proctor's role and ruin his character. Again. Scummy 3. Killing of Troy which I explained All 3 of these actions made the new showrunners not respect ANY plots set uo by Dave Erickson. And I don't blame them. When someone shows you no respect why should you show any towards that person? He wanted them to fail so instead of playing into his game they did their own thing. And by the way 4A turned out I'd say they had a lot of potential. 4B is the part I have issues with. But 4A was as close to perfect as it can be. And I applaud them for it.

[@bradywitt8206]

Well safe to say dave was the better choice