Ableton CV Tools First Look

[@leyetnin1]

Was teetering on the cliff’s edge before seeing this demo, now the full swan dive into eurorack seems inevitable.

[@lungthumpa]

Had massive latency issues using just cv tools out thru Motu. After much messing around i have it working now. Send CV out thru an 'External Audio Effect'. Bring audio back from modular thru 'External Audio Effect' with 'Track Delay' and all is well. Ableton support are in denial about this issue. When i told them i fixed latency myself they wanted to know how lol

[@YomYestreen]

As someone who just finished filling his first modular case (tiptop mantis), this is going to be my future exactly. Couldn't ask for more perfect timing. Live 10 here I come!

[@federicobersano]

Simon is great at demonstrating this , with cool musical examples while also making it very clear to follow what’s going on. Too many people either just talk forever or improvise examples that don’t really make you want to even try a product. This is really cool.

[@squinteastwood7012]

Considering Abletons complete lack of decent in depth documentation of the CV tools this is better than nothing

[@EdwinSL]

Eurorack modules often also react to triggers from a AC couples output, just use a suitable short sample in simpler for instance and it will often do the job. In my set-up it works about 80% of the time.

[@paulhennessy5562]

Simon explains his craft well ,it flows from start to finish.

[@JosBlomsma]

I'd love a episode with an explanation of this setup. I'm really confused about the signal routing.

[@saren6538]

Exactly not sure why nobody has done a video in detail about this

[@patchnovae]

The ES-3 ADAT CV interface shows up on your ASIO driver audio interface drivers as 8 devices on ADAT out 1-8. You would define the outputs in ableton config and be able to select that output from the dropdown in the cv instrument. If your audio interface supports DC coupling on its inputs, then you can use a floating ring cable for CV in. This would be just choosing one of the DC coupled interfaces that your CV in floating ring cable is plugged back into to have CV input. I use the ES-9 which just talks to my PC via USBC cable, and it has 8 outs and 14 ins and is a full-blown audio interface with mixer/eq and its awesome (and I extended it with an ES5 to add 8 more outs which can be daisy chained 4 more times i do believe)

[@ChrisWhittenMusic]

So easy to use and bug free in Ableton Live 👍🏻

[@nerolifong1824]

just upgraded to Live 10 suite and I am sure this cv tools are going to make me go crazy with my modular setup. i can’t help, but to watch this youtube a couple of times. lol

[@xenostim]

if by go crazy you mean splurge on eurorack, then maybe not, right? considering you are using the computer to off-board the modular processing

[@Tibbon]

This is so good. I love my ES-3, but honestly kinda hate using Silent Way in Live. It's so bad and hard to get to work consistently.

[@RinseRepeat]

How is the fiber optic cable connected to your PC/interface?

[@Tibbon]

@@RinseRepeat I generally use some ADAT out on something like a Sapphire Pro 40.

[@ys521wow]

Best CV TOOLS demonstration video so far.

[@chris5375]

Wow, this stuff is so amazing, I am waiting for the Ableton Suite Upgrade

[@SjN7HETIK]

me too but this f*******n b********d on ableton ask you really a non sense price for upgrading. As a standard user i feel hugely scammed, 300e to get suite, Logic FULL costs 220e, Reason FULL 350, Live... 600! Seems at Ableton are a little bit greedy. But just a little bit... (then maybe they ask themselves why many went on piracy)... BECAUSE YOUR UPGRADE POLICY IS A TOTAL SCAM, dear ableton d*********s! THATS WHY!!!

[@BappinProductions]

@@SjN7HETIK yeah but can Logic, FL and Reason do all of this? Developing software costs money and having features that your competitors don't, means you can demand more for your product in the marketplace.

[@sauce_aux]

Did he just assume my envelope count ???!?

[@NOLNV1]

g r o a n

[@dirtlos3497]

Solid explanation, solid tools! Thanks for posting this guys!! Can’t wait to get lost in make noise/ableton world.. FYI strongly recommend the Expert Sleepers ES-8, perfect marriage of modular and Ableton.

[@MODERNDAYROCKERS]

big tings only something like that will make Ableton relevant in the euro rack world looking forward to using it with stuff

[@mynmyself]

A bit offtopic, but what audio interface is being used in this video? Is ableton working through Asio4All? Been trying to get my Expert Sleepers Es3+Es6 to work together with my Focusrite Scarlett through asio4All, but Ableton is constantly crashing or not identifying the devices. Also using a windows btw

[@sonicstate]

I couldnt say, but suspect its just the Focusrite drivers (this was on windows)

[@whoadog8725]

Try using the newest Focusrite drivers, rather than Asio4all

[@cockur]

Doesn't Windows + Asio have some kind of problem using two audio interfaces at the same time? On OSX you can combine two audio interfaces to make a single aggregate device within the OSX Core Audio driver. This is what you need to do. I just don't know how to do it on Windows. Check google for "Windows aggregate audio device" or something like that

[@whoadog8725]

Cocker The situation he is describing isn’t using multiple interfaces. The ES-3/6 aren’t audio interfaces, they are adat expanders. They run as a slave to the main interface. No extra drivers or aggregate needed. What is mostly likely needed is up to date drivers from Focusrite.

[@inkognito4494]

I tested asio4all and it crash in Ableton live. I use Expert sleepers Es3 and Es6 whit Scarlett 18i20 2 gen. Works perfect whit focusrite asio. If you use a gen 1 just update the driver and mix controll app.

[@bharathj63]

This is insane!!! Nothing like Ableton! ❤️🔥

[@clarkflavor]

The future of techno!

[@InkyDaCaT]

Thanks all!

[@ShoShoUK85]

that tone at 5:55 though

[@wildaudiosociety]

I am sooo looking forward to this. Does anyone want to buy one of my BSPs?

[@Studio-solutions-com]

keep it... use it as the interface!

[@tronlake]

Somebody’s been listening to “vroom vroom.” RIP Sophie

[@canecreek00]

ES-3 ordered

[@Ryannaut_g]

I love these guys!

[@zemertz]

cv is short for control voltage, be careful, read the manuals first, protect your gear and turn the volumes down first so your speakers don't explode :)

[@soonkah8036]

What soundcard does he use? What is the ADAT connection like?

[@tacticalgrooveorbit2379]

cool and is it possible to transform v/oct from modular system in MIDI with CV TOOLS?

[@argiopeMusic]

I haven't even installed my Doepfer a-190-5 USB interface yet and I'm already wishing I'd have gone this route instead. The flexibility seems a lot nicer than USB/Midi to CV. But then, I'm a modular noob, so... this CV stuff seems complicated still.

[@reginaldbowls7180]

This is gonna get me to upgrade from 9

[@raspberry144mb3]

I love worthwhile feature updates.

[@YomYestreen]

My thoughts exactly!

[@EannaButler]

They should have an image capture module for patch cable recall.

[@jamesmichaels7821]

I'm new to all this but understand the basics of CV/Gate etc. I'm confused as to how to get the signals out of Ableton though. Here he uses a Lightpipe to CV, but will a cheaper Midi to CV work just as well? I'm not sure it will as the lightpipe can contain more data than a standard midi but I may have got that all wrong haha

[@BosseCory]

MIDI to CV is only going to translate note and gate information. That's it. ADAT/SPDIF/USB to CV modules can actually send and receive gates, pitch, modulation, audio, etc.

[@finonomastropiero4261]

Could a presonus interface studio 26c handle the cv outputting? On the site says it is dc coupled, yet , since it is bus powered it has reduced range of control voltage

[@isaac.anthony]

Can I use any audio interface that is DC coupled? Can ableton handle using two audio interfaces now? So you can use one for cv/gate and the other for audio signals?

[@isaac.anthony]

I have an System-1M that can send cv/gate, and it shows up in ableton as an audio interface. I'd like to know more about how ableton is handling two interface, because up til know, you've got to use asio4all if you want to use 2 separate audio interface.

[@RoboticusMusic]

@@isaac.anthony If you have a digital out on let's say an RME interface you can daisy chain multiple interfaces, probably best to use multiple RME interfaces but I've never tried this so that's just a precaution assumption.

[@isaac.anthony]

Did you see how he was handling audio and CV in this video? I couldn't tell if they were using one audio interface for all of the audio and cv coming in and out of ableton?

[@bzilla4000]

@@isaac.anthony He was using expert sleepers es-3 for the cv-outs and I'm guessing he's running the audio out of the vca straight into his audio interface. I have a similar setup that he does, and only use one audio interface, but you need to have an lightpipe ADAT output to do that.

[@isaac.anthony]

@@bzilla4000 thanks for the info! Ableton really needs to be more clear about this, not easy info to find...

[@Trovarsi]

Anyone else having issues with a delay?

[@sammycompilati9248]

Will an Endorphin.es Shuttle Control work with cv tools?

[@iantanner7579]

looks like fun, personally though i don't feel the need to give a computer program so much control over my modulars.. plus i'm just too old to be bothered learning a new daw, - i guess they'll all do it soon anyway... But for playing live it does give one a lot of control and recall...

[@JakeSweeper]

Does anyone know if we can do this with Artuira's Keystep or Beatstep Pro?

[@ksqmusic]

Wow.. Just wow..

[@mr.brosio7915]

Im also still a little confused about how the interfacing works. Is there any way to use this with AC interfaces like Focusrite? Also, with a DC coupled interface the cv is sent through an audio output?

[@BosseCory]

Yes, with a DC coupled interface, it's all through the line outputs. Not extremely ideal. So what he's done here, and what a lot of us are doing, is picking up an interface from Expert Sleepers. They offer a wide variety of modules that can connect to your interface (via SPDIF or ADAT), or directly to your computer as an interface (via USB).

[@inkognito4494]

If you have a focusrite whit adat input/output expert sleepers es3 and es6 is a no brainer 🤘

[@mr.brosio7915]

@@inkognito4494 Thanks!

[@salski37]

Damn it! This is too much for me in one vid. Anyone know some tuts where are showed basics? :D

[@tacticalgrooveorbit2379]

is it possible to manage sample and hold via Ableton CV tools?

[@patchnovae]

Not that I'm aware of. I do that with VCV Rack and with VCV rack 2.0 being a VST in november, you should be able to combine that with Ableton CV tools and have some monster capability

[@aaronmoreno9216]

Has anyone figured out how to set Transport to reset on stop in the CV Clock device?

[@calderwood9641]

Any way to send polyphonic pitch cv? I’m looking at my Qu-Bit Chord V2 and Acid Rain Technology Chainsaw...

[@sonicstate]

I'm pretty sure Poly pitch (MPE) is not supported natively in Live yet.

[@calderwood9641]

sonicstate One can hope! Thanks for the quick response, cheers!

[@chris5375]

@@sonicstate now, Ableton supports MPE

[@seanreardon123]

What model Windows laptop was used in the video?

[@emilyschmanks]

dell latitude dont know what exact model

[@VitaliRiskin]

@@emilyschmanks It's not.. It looks like DELL XPS 15 for me.. Exact same design.. Just the small light near the power button makes me confused because XPS's don't have that..

[@jedgould5531]

where is it in Ableton?

[@my4trackmachine]

This is so ace!!!

[@luckystrke]

Sick

[@sasukauppi]

does it support hz/v tracking?

[@Synthelicious]

Yeah i'd like to know that too. Would be sweet if i can use it with my ms10 and ms20.

[@GaitaPonto]

sweet

[@thechronicnoizeco.6675]

That shirt is fucking me up....

[@Robert-kx8mp]

I tried these when they first opened the public beta, but CV instrument lacked any built in adjustments for latency, so anything you recorded coming back through the CV instrument was way out of timing with the notes you’d played, compare it to the built in latency adjustment when routing signals through the native Ableton external audio effect device

[@ChrisWhittenMusic]

You don't have any latency with audio accurate timing. The latency must have come from your instrument. Mine has no latency.

[@Robert-kx8mp]

hi @@ChrisWhittenMusic, maybe a demonstration of the issue would help clarify, please see kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYSTZIesgdKog5Y

[@ChrisWhittenMusic]

@@Robert-kx8mp Confused. You record your audio exam try the same as any other synth. Through a DI or your audio interface input. I haven't recorded using the CV Instrument input. Secondly, you have the attack time on the CV Instrument envelope at 30ms. I just use CV Instrument to control my modular synth. The audio that is generated goes back into Ableton Live via my usual recording chain. Doing that I've seen zero latency.

[@ChrisWhittenMusic]

Sorry, spell check. You record thru a standard input chain. I wouldn't use CV Instrument 'monitor' to record. Also, check your envelope settings.

[@Robert-kx8mp]

Hey! Thanks @@ChrisWhittenMusic, recording Ext. In from the audio interface seems to work much better. I'm not sure yet if I prefer this over Silent Way routed through Ableton's External Audio Effect. This CV Instrument does have that wonderfully easy-to-use look and feel. The Silent Way plug-ins are an entirely different beast. I don't perform live with my modular gear, but rather I use it more along the lines of creating sampled instruments, or I'll outboard tracks originally composed using software synths. Anyway, I'm glad you helped me figure this out.

[@leetronix]

Nodding dog software meets Elektron Overbridge 2.0 except nodding dog seems to work >.

[@chimonlam7537]

stop interrupting me

[@fiddlestickzmuzik]

Already been doing this stuff with Reason for years now..

[@ChrisWhittenMusic]

Except this is for Ableton Live, and no specialist modules such as Expert Sleepers needed.

[@aaroninja1]

And bitwig...

[@SjN7HETIK]

and to say all, Reason is full of awesome fxs, instrms, utilities, libraries, etc... really, all u need for 350e. VERY HONEST. Ableton scam price, 600e and you get less than Reason. So I'll happly keep Reason and fuck off Live :)

[@chris5375]

SjN7HETIK reason is for little wankers.....

[@ChrisWhittenMusic]

@@SjN7HETIK The video is about CV Tools for Ableton Live. Don't see any need to turn it into a competition between different DAWS. Be happy with what you use. Currently I'm happily using CV Tools in Live 10.

[@reginaldbowls7180]

Hell yes!!! 2nd. lol

[@jimmytumbles9640]

The combination of interview/demonstration, not great bud. Maybe stop talking and let him show what he clearly has prepared.

[@GeorgeCopperfield]

1st..Show me something good!

[@watercolourmark]

This seems like a perfect integration - but I wonder who for? Firstly, it isn’t for people like me, I am adverse to cables, for me it is all about pure fast digital setups and workflows, a modern holistic digital truth - to me this is retrograde. Then I imagine part of the reasoning for working in Eurorack is hard rules of getting away from digital and computer setups. I set myself hard rules, the opposite to these, but some of us need them as it leads to a break down in production, you can always find a rabbit hole to fall down. So we are left with the agnostics, the wishy-washy few with no real purpose or direction, hooking up a half pinched Eurorack to a audio interface to modulate a bass line while they play with a filter, while also scratching their balls. Bit of fun, powerful potential but I don’t see it floating many boats. And the future of Eurorack is not clear post Brexit.

[@raspberry144mb3]

Seems to me that this is for the person who still wants to do their complexe sequences (ie not just note pitch) digitally but still wants the authentic sound of whatever analog synth they use.

[@ChrisWhittenMusic]

It's simply for people who want to use their modular system in a fully recorded song in Ableton Live. Not sure why you don't get this. there are many thousands of people who make music using a mix of software and hardware. CV and Gate are tighter and integrate better in modular than traditional midi. So CV Tools just makes it easier to incorporate modular into your recording workflow.

[@jamesmichaels7821]

Hans Zimmer is a fan of modular and often uses them on his soundtracks too, its another area of sound design that is pretty hands on.

[@josedealva4205]

let them eat cake. mediocre "musicians".

[@UltimateWobbleBoss]

shut up, nerd

[@SynthgodXXX]

Super exciting to me! A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++