About Creep Show Art

[@READYTOGLARE]

I can’t possibly express how thankful I am for all the support. Thank you all, each one of you. EDIT: Videos to check if you’re confused or want the receipts/see the posts here are some videos that’ve been posted: Emily Artful: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2TbeXZqfNyBqLM Truth Sleuth: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4HGemtprN6Lgck Omnia: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iaXHfImpndKbopY Omnia (part 2): kzbin.info/www/bejne/joW8YmlnpZqAlac Hopeless Peaches: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHjcnH56jtCtjLM

[@basshead7171]

Take care of yourself!

[@Beelzara]

💜💚💜💚

[@parallelaaa3076]

We love you! Take care

[@PenelopeAlys]

We’re here for you! If you need a break from KZbin, we will all understand and support you x

[@prettycringey]

Sending love ❤️

[@shgurr]

I remember some of her stories being about how she was a compulsive liar... guess she still struggles with that 😳

[@starrymlku]

😳

[@sp3chatesu6669]

Oh hi Shgurr :3

[@beanosupremo7455]

I really liked her content so when things started coming out about her I didn't want to believe it. Then all this happens and there's so much evidence against her that I feel stupid for denying it the first time

[@deltasaves]

I was only casual viewer of her and imma have to second a 😳

[@gloestickk]

😳

[@JessiSmiles]

I’m so sorry. Sending you love. 💛

[@meag_ken822]

💙💙💙

[@whitneypanda]

Can you guys become best friends, bonding over having trash friends?

[@SketchingWithSarah]

I love seeing all these KZbinrs supporting through this tough situation 🖤

[@zakiatabassum9549]

Hi Jessi, you're amazing ❤️ sending you lots of love as well

[@msrustyspatula8679]

Jessi, I hope you're hanging in there! I'm so happy for you about the 🌈 baby and I hope you realize how much happiness you deserve. You truly seem like one of the good ones (youtubers lol), never stop being you 💖

[@313eve]

The roses were definitely a tactic to manipulate you into defending her when this all came out. Shannon is terrifying and needs serious, consistent, prolonged psychological help.

[@blushface]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@justjulia8007]

Agreed.

[@noko8692]

not to defend shannon, but i don"t think so. She'd have to send this in advance, how would she even know she'd get exposed ? I think it was just a part of her acting like they're "bestieeeees

[@313eve]

@@noko8692 It was just a coupe of days before and she may have suspected it was going to happen because people were talking about it on lolcow, she caught wind of it.

[@deltasaves]

@@noko8692 it's a buffer. People like this will butter you up every now and again a bit more. Also flowers wouldn't take too long to send, maybe a few days. She probably knew people were going to start talking and sending screens to those mentioned. Edit: not pepe, my Lord. I need to fix my autocorrect for that one. And my punctuation.

[@Meanie74]

“I believed her because she was my friend” 1. Nothing wrong with that as long as you acknowledge the truth when presented with evidence. People should be loyal to their friends. 2. She also high key manipulated you into believing her. You made a mistake of judgement that you corrected. Don’t feel guilty for someone else being awful.

[@christinecannibal844]

If I could love this comment I would. Yes. This is very important for her to realize!

[@Meanie74]

@@christinecannibal844 it’s hard when people abuse you, not to beat yourself up in retrospect. I do it often like “how could I have not seen this?” “ how could I have allowed myself to manipulated like this, I’m so stupid”. But it’s not true, I’m not stupid. I’m just a person with feelings another sick person used. And it’s that sick person at fault, not me.

[@Nakia11798]

Most people would believe their friends.

[@kristinicole2055]

This.

[@ggundercover3681]

this! as long as you accept evidence and truth when it comes out, nothing wrong with changing your position. nothing wrong with initially taking your friend's side before anything else. I'm glad you're here promoting ppl to be a good friend, but not blindly loyal.

[@petrahanzicb.6634]

She is all she claimed to hate.

[@caittodd9288]

Yep, she was projecting this whole time.

[@MiniMeags]

I KNOW....

[@MeeYeeWeeWee]

It's all so weird

[@abundantlove2194]

Unfortunately I've found this to be true of several creators.

[@XxdipstcklovrxX]

Abundant Love - i see it in people in general. sad stuff

[@nummers6337]

Imagine having someone publicly bash you and be exposed for heinous shit and you're still the bigger person enough to check in on them. Damn if thats not humanity.

[@stephandthecity]

LOVE. THIS.

[@yuki97kira]

I hope she felt shame in that

[@solala1312]

I'm not sure if I would have done it, even though it's the right thing to do.

[@Catglittercrafts]

@@solala1312 Giulia is better than most of us

[@riali499]

@@yuki97kira That Shannon (CSA) felt shame, right?

[@aceanarchy5554]

A moment of appreciation for the admin(s) who confirmed all this. If not for them, Shannon's lies wouldn't have come to light this quickly and the situation would be 20 times worse. I hope you know that you have no commitment that is bigger than taking as many or as long of breaks as you possibly need to start healing and coming to terms.

[@READYTOGLARE]

Many props to the admins !!

[@moykurs]

this!!! thank you admins for exposing her for who she really is

[@RedEzelt]

Honestly the coolest admins.

They'd allegedly had their suspicions building for YEARS, but had just reached their limit of tolerating her nonsense, and one or a few of the admins on there just assembled this dossier on Shannon.

[@oliverxhmll]

@@RedEzelt bruh yeah they exposed her, but I wouldn't thank the admins because the shit that gets posted on that website is crazy and vile. They only exposed her because she broke their own rules about self-promoting.

[@dropshippingg478]

One of the most disturbing parts of this is that she sent you roses, knowing exactly what she’d done behind your back. It almost as if she gets off on it ..

[@mcdepressionwithlargefries5313]

people are snakes. doesn’t surprise me. especially with someone like creepshow.

[@charlottesmom]

That was severely twisted!

[@rabbitttz]

From what I gathered from the Emily video yeah she does get off on it.

[@laevan2053]

Like when a bad partner cheats or beats, and then gives flowers like they make it all better. Blech.

[@realswobby]

@@laevan2053 Partially they really believe or they try to believe that this is a good behavior and they truly fix things in this way... while in reality it's just a manipulation. They even fool themselves in their own minds :ppp Watching some videos about sadistic/narcissistic personality really opens eyes.

[@Sorvato_de_milhor]

I just saw Emily Artful's video on cheepshow art and it genuinely made me physically sick. I can't believe people are capable of being so atrocious and harmful to other people for so long without being held accountable, and without feeling the slightest pain in their conscious to make it stop.

[@snoox27]

Im glad this has come all out into the open. Im hoping emily can heal from the stalking, knowing whos doing it and having others know gives you some power back.

[@Willowtree82]

Shannon's always been a bully and the fact people are acting surprised now shows me how fake youtube has become. Emily is no angel either.

[@rosannaberckley5515]

Did you draw your pfp?

[@005Amergin]

Sounds like a narcissist- they have no remorse.

[@Rightinfrontofmydietdoctorkelp]

@@Willowtree82 And how exactly is Emily no angel? Not everyone is perfect in what they choose to do but when you go the extra mile to RUIN someone's life like Shannon did, Emily did NOT deserve that. No one would've known Shannon was a nasty and terrible person if these things didn't come to light.

[@Thumin]

This is all just so upsetting... 😥

[@xenathornburg2416]

It is, I feel bad for you guys who had to go through this. I remembered on one of your videos she commented on it being her favorites. That has to be be hard when the same person is doing all of this! I feel bad for Thumin, and all the others.

[@rosexthermite]

im so sorry. i know she made a video about your situation and it must hurt knowing the person who tried to help you is actually really shitty.

[@yukinishi7633]

Yeah.. I wasn't expecting this at all honestly

[@hchozn]

The fact that she helped a black woman like you, but she's incredibly racist...

[@FubblerCo.]

Hey Thumin, how've you been? I know all of this can be really tough but I just wanna know if you're alright

[@TheEmilyDBaker]

I have so much respect for how you handled this. Your perspective has been so helpful and I am so sorry you are going through this. It's a shocking situation.

[@keepitmoving5340]

Love you Emily

[@bobbi5355]

Hi Emily!❤️

[@loriburnip]

Would love to see you do a show about cyberstalking and what people can do legally about it.

[@keely1368]

I feel for you too Emily, you seemed to have a good friendship with her too. I was thinking about you when i saw the Emily art video. I feel for anyone who has been betrayed by her, it’s a horrible experience, worse than the breakup with a bf/gf imo

[@bobbi5355]

@@keely1368 omg i forgot they were friends! Damn that sucks 😓

[@Agonizeddeadrose]

She lied to you, fooled you, mislead you, abused your intelligence and honestly, sending you roses is her sick way of making HERSELF feel better. I am so sorry you experienced this!

[@MandieTerrier]

Or a way of letting her know, I know where you live.

[@Major003]

@m@mickeysminimouses & @Ordinary Girl Trying to be Fabulous - You're both right, and I hate that. Not because you've correctly assessed the situation, but that the assessment is that someone has truly horrible character. 😰

[@josevides4665]

She does the same thing to other ppl tho

[@Cuestar]

I hope you're doing okay

[@Brodie3K]

Holy shit, you watch too?? Glad 2 of my favorite creators are so close.

[@rabbit__]

You're the fourth KZbinr I've seen in the comments. The site's really not okay with this shit, damn.

[@grandmasterpax3248]

hi cuestar! didn't expect to see you here. i hope shes alright too.

[@caseysheaves1323]

You are cool af and really appreciate you supporting RTG, who i love too

[@abikristina1124]

Holy shit its Cue

[@KatBlaque]

Really sorry you went through this. This really fuckin' sucks. You're such a good person and genuine soul. This sucks.

[@stupiid13]

💕💕I am loving the support going on here!! I love both of yall

[@BuddleDuddle]

I love seeing my favorite creators supporting each other. Love your work Kat!

[@chanio3856]

True

[@LuckyOrangeTabby08]

Queen Kat is here. ❤️🍓

[@rydz656]

Grow up

[@livdoesstuff7985]

Shannon's silence is all the confirmation i need. Emily's story is true, Glares is true, i just can't believe it. someone i watched, enjoyed, supported... completely vile.

[@aliciazombie8699]

Hasn't shannon even said if KZbinrs are quiet, they're guilty? I could be wrong tho

[@Bee-gc2do]

I feel ya, I was watching her for awhile until recently I was avoiding her videos because her energy seemed...off but I didn't have any real reasoning as to why. she's very good at manipulation, it's scary. I'm glad lolcow exposed her before she reached more sucess. People like that deserve the fortune she's had

[@SGT676]

Im not surprised by this. She came off as an overly preachy folk. And after seeing dramas in the past I find people like that always have some awful secret. And i don't know why but after bit something just told me "Shes going to get exposed for something later on."

[@leonardoives674]

Its infuriating how many people she fooled with her fake sweetness.

[@autisticwatermelon8633]

@@Bee-gc2do Same! I used to watch her pretty consistently but stopped in recent months. I couldn't really figure out why, but something felt off to me too.

[@BoucheronsNo.1Fan]

Remember that 'Storytime' where Shannon claimed that she overheard some girls talking about her at a Starbucks or something, but they ended up trashing her and laughing at how bad her channel is? Well if that was real those girls knew what was up lol

[@miathompson4440]

This sounds like an “and everyone clapped” story 😭😭 like her channel is NOT that big for people to just talk about her at a Starbucks???

[@aestheticlife9701]

@@miathompson4440 literally ain’t nobody at Starbucks talkin bout her channel honey you are not That big 😂

[@Tombbistol]

That might be a “ reversed narrative “ situation judging by her stalker story , she might be the one trash talking someone else’s channel then shift the narrative pretend to be a victim to gain sympathy.

[@eeeeeeeeeeeee9651]

@@Tombbistol And knowing all the shit she has done, that would a) be possible and b) be probably one of the mildest things she has done, if it happens to true 💀 This woman needs to get her head checked asap and thrown into a jail cell.

[@skyskynomnom4674]

Let’s be honest, though. She made that shit up.

[@DMaria216]

Sending your victim flowers. That’s a real psychopath vibe.

[@XOChristianaNicole]

As One who is working on getting an anti-social personality (aka the informal “psychopath”) diagnosis.. This isn’t just straight psychopathy - there is narcissism tied into this. Psychopaths aren’t mutually exclusive to narcissism. Just as narcissism isn’t mutually exclusive to sociopathy. Sure, we may have difficulty with empathy. However, not all psychopaths are liars who lack a moral code. Sure, we plot and scheme - and get off in it - though, not everyone does it, in the manner to purposefully hurt others. I have no problem with social climbers - as long as it’s done with mutual integrity and respect. I don’t develop many emotional attachments and I use everyone to learn my own life lessons; though - I appreciate everyone I have connected with, on the levels I am able. Sure, I use that relationship for my own benefit. However, I purposefully look for how it could be mutually beneficial. So, for an autist psychopath, like me - I think like one; though, it’s used in a virtuous manner. I mean, what good would it do for me to do shitty things, in the end? How is that a sustainable life? Obviously, as Shannon has proved - it isn’t. Though, I’d like to say.. I’ve know men who’ve done this sort of thing out of emotional rage and jealousy - plotting and scheming to hurt someone. I don’t believe he was a psychopath. Sometimes people do bad very bad things - who don’t have a personality disorder. So, just something to, please, consider - when attempting to label people who do awful things, to others. Not everyone who may fall under that label, medically speaking - are even willing to ever to such awful things. Such awful things, to which - every person on the planet, holds the capacity to do, if ever pushed to it. 😉

[@ac-fp9lx]

@@XOChristianaNicole why would you seek that diagnosis

[@Alex-fc8xn]

@@ac-fp9lx why does anyone seek any diagnosis? To get support for it, obviously. Feeling numb to emotions and struggling to form interpersonal bonds can't be fun to deal with and I'd want support if I went through that

[@Alex-fc8xn]

@@ac-fp9lx also people say this to me about seeking an autism assessment. It's to access resources designed to help you, and to finally have confirmation and an explanation for why you've always felt different from most people you know. Not knowing is tough.

[@ac-fp9lx]

@@Alex-fc8xn that's true but autism itself covers a lot of those symptoms already which is why I ask.

[@sojadoesrandomstuff]

I'm so sorry, that this happened to you, it's very hard to go through these realizations about 'friends'. In your case even multiple times.. Happy that you are speaking out on the issue instead of staying silent.

[@Emmie1223]

Emily made a video for 2 hours about CREEPSHOW ART.

[@TurtleChad1]

A Turtle no longer approves of Creep Show Art.

[@baddie1shoe]

What did she say that was so bad specifically about RTG?

[@Cha.An.BP16]

Hallo Soja! Mag viele deiner Videos sehr-lustig zu sehen, dass du auch ready to glare guckst :). Liebe Grüße

[@Beez123]

@@TurtleChad1 smart turtle👏

[@markramos1216]

Chrissy Teigen: *builds a career on having connections in high places, all while spreading cruel messages about her peers* CreepShow Art: Write that down, write that down!

[@rwalkman10]

Chrissy Teigens pizzagate tweets :^/ But yeah she's also very mean

[@JessRodr]

This 💯👏👏👏

[@nomanejane5766]

Courtney sodden wasn't her peer, the fck u talking abt? plus nasty tweets, isn't even in the same as Shannon did. they both did bad things, just very differently

[@AliciaM5555]

YES!!!!! WELL SAID AND EXACTLY THE SAME CASE!

[@gio_graphy]

Ive seen you in all of the Creepshow Art comment sections (And maybe the Frenemies one too?) and they are ALL great comments lol

[@ElanaVital83]

I never liked Creep Show Art. She seemed too happy about canceling everyone else, even for petty stuff. She's in everyone else's business, telling everyone how to do it.

[@pastelcherry8446]

Exactly. I always had a bad feeling about her. Guess intuition is right in these cases

[@chanel310the7]

@@pastelcherry8446 Honestly I'm pretty good at pick up on that stuff and honestly, she slipped right past my radar.

[@XxheymoonxX]

ive allllways got bad vibes from her, just never could put my finger on it.

[@Arcania9516]

EXACTLY I've been saying this for years. The fact that some fools actually trusted her is hilarious like how did you not see the truth?

[@Arcania9516]

@@pastelcherry8446 My is correct as usual. I had classmates and other people who did these things. Nothing shocks me anymore.

[@nightynightshade]

10:29 I relate to that strange feeling of confusion when a “friend” does something like this.. The roses were sent so she could maintain your perception of her as a “caring friend” and also simultaneously try to make you doubt the evidence. She’s fake, manipulative, and insecure.

[@duckie4655]

Agreed. It’s like a bribe.

[@brooke7063]

Ariel? Is that your name?

[@nightynightshade]

@@brooke7063 I wish that was my name! My name is Desiree☺️

[@ocinidolegna]

@@nightynightshade that's a gorgeous name :')

[@CountessJJ]

I'm not defending her, but maybe she did care. Creep can't be all bad, I hope she gets help, and stops hurting people.

[@ninabeena6092]

She hasn’t spoken up to defend herself so I think that says a lot

[@Flame44]

Once no one believed her hijacked IP address…. What more could she say? “ wasn’t herself, mental illness…..”?? . But this is really deep, pathetic, serious issues dealing w so many people. Scary!!

[@orlalolo4585]

The fact she,s deleting lot her stuff says a lot , I did watch her channel but I've unsubbed after hearing what she done to that lady and other ppl ,

[@hannahshark8080]

She needs more time to formulate excuses lol. Ugh this is such an awful situation

[@shart8008]

After emily artful's vid, i dont think she'll ever come back 😩

[@mewbunnies8822]

She’s probably being advised by legal counsel to stay quiet. KZbin drama is one thing, but she allegedly stalked and harassed Emily Artful for a decade. (Saying allegedly for legal reasons. Emily’s video has quite a bit of proof in it.)

[@DeAnnaSkedel]

Honestly whenever she says stuff like “I love my friends and would do ANYTHING for them, you guys know that! Anyway (shouts out some creator really sicky-sweetly)” it has the same energy as Shane Dawson saying “I’m such an eMpAtH”

[@katelynnshadoan]

Omg I never thought about this 😭 I just thought Shannon was being a good person ugh I hate this

[@onthewall7]

Vulnerable narcissistic behavior has its roots in the false belief that everyone cares about their problems and are willing to drop everything they're doing to "help" them. Also, that people will believe what they say at face value. When these lofty expectations are shattered, they might act out even worse. I hope that isn't the case here.

[@OrganicTrash]

Shannon Dawson ey?

[@utubeagnesia]

Merge the name Shane and Dawson you kinda get a Shannon. 😳😂

[@sealestial1801]

I'm pretty sure this action is called lovebombing and it's a form of manipulation.

[@maikonpagani1222]

Jesus, how many people this woman hurt? The algorithm is constantly suggesting new videos

[@iamevilyss]

She did Hopeless Peaches DIRTY! And a lot of youtubers went against her with no evidence. Just rumors all credits from 3 people who lied about her all three have allegations rn too

[@maikonpagani1222]

@@iamevilyss from what I heard, Emily Artful was the one who suffered more in the hands of Creep shows Art

[@MamaMidnight98]

Her entire thing WAS hurting people.

[@thatonepairofuglysocks1342]

@@MamaMidnight98 Yep, she absolutely thrived off doing that twisted nonsense. Shannon & her partner need to go to prison asap, they're a danger to others.

[@Deenique16]

Same omg

[@temeka4288]

She hates herself and seems to be taking it out on everybody. Something is clearly wrong with this woman.

[@ajaku]

Absolutely. I know when I was younger and my self esteem was in Hades I spent a lot of time on forums like that too...never promoted myself or talked crap about my friends there though! She really does need help

[@clivebixby206]

@@ajaku the fact that she was willing to stalk and harass Emily out of jealousy is so pathetic it's almost funny. Oh and did i mention she's in possession of cp. And she also goes out of her way to protect her rap1st husband so yeah pretty shitty eh

[@djmarz7123]

@@clivebixby206 Wait what, okay I haven't heard of that, do you know where you heard this from (about the CP and the rapist husband)?

[@magdalenabentkowska3734]

@@djmarz7123 Emily Artful posted a 2h long video talking about her stalker and showing receipts - it is allegedly about Shannon's husband and Shannon herself

[@sarahbarabe8470]

I mean she's on another level of self hate I struggle with self esteem and depression and I know so many other people inside the same boat and we ain't like that she must have gone a long ass time without help for her behavior to become so deteriorated and progress soooooo far

[@Eva-cc2qr]

Hey Giulia, don't feel bad or naive for believing someone you felt was close to you and wanting to have a geniuine connection with them (in both cases). Just because the world is cold doesn't mean we have to be cold as well. You're a good person and a great friend who didn't deserve this. Take care x

[@ddjsoyenby]

agreed she couldn't have known what shannon was really like.

[@anae7135]

I hate this because how will you be able to trust another new “friend” ever again? You fight enough with your personal struggles as it is. I’m soo sorry babe.

[@abbie_joan]

im noticing a pattern in Shannon taking advantage of friends who clearly struggle with personal issues and befriending them or getting connected through someone else to attack them

[@anae7135]

@@abbie_joan it’s very predatory. I feel so bad for RTG.

[@justinejustice_league1857]

Facts, we worry about not finding "the one" but it's the friendships that hurt the most as they know you more than anyone. Friendships run deeper than relationships for sure.

[@Ambir91]

This really depresses me. I remember going on youtube years ago and people were doing fun collabs and their audiences were smaller so we really felt like a small family. Now a bunch of big youtubers turning out to be awful i think hurt not only the direct victims, but us the subscribers. So many youtubers i used to watch regurlarly just turned out to be so disgusting and it really affected me. I wonder, what would be of this new generation where their fave creators will desappoint them over and over...? Without the authorities giving victims justice. This is so sad.

[@wmhfv992]

It's just awful. I've had a similar experience with a friend but not on a public platform. But it is really so hard to trust new people again. I can't imagine how RTG feels.

[@RolyWestYT]

Sending you lots of love ❤️

[@ela536]

Ily Roly

[@LightingCatxD]

After watching this video it kinda sounds really sarcastic to me idk why

[@PenelopeIsAce]

hi roly

[@pervysueno7749]

Ayyyyo my nicca Roly Fingas!!!! What's poppenin' bluh?

[@GeorgeFloydSupport]

please make and onlyfans

[@jaydee9496]

I was friends with a covert narcissist for nearly ten years. The betrayal that came with our eventual parting still effects me and some days are worse then others. Having a friend hurt you is so painful. You let them into be a part of your life and it's taken for granted. Friendship break ups are not talked about enough. They're just as painful and hard as a romantic breakup. You feel foolish and dumb for letting someone take advantage of your heart and spend days thinking "Was any of it true? Was it all just manipulation?". You have momentos and gifts around the house that are tainted now because now you see it as them buying your friendship. It sucks. Big time. My heart goes out to you. Trust me, life is better without liars in it.

[@chileanyways4517]

@Benjamin Sharpie A narc who wants to get help and change is fine but for the love of god don’t invalidate other peoples feelings or experiences because you claim to have a higher understanding of the disorder. You have no idea. Sincerely, someone who was abused by a narcissistic father for 18+ years of my life.

[@CrimeGirl]

Been there too Jenna, it's really hard! Hope you're okay!!

[@sassykat2587]

You're abosolutely right, and I second that friendship break ups need to be addressed more. It hits hard when they betray you out of nowhere, or simply throw you away as if you're disposable garbage, it's especially worse imo if either party was on relatively good terms.

[@saram5964]

@Benjamin Sharpie you can be abusive and narcissistic

[@papasscooperiaworker3649]

@@saram5964 Yeah, that's what they were saying, I think. Narcissism doesn't necessarily mean you're abusive (some narcissistic people don't harm anyone), but narcissism can definitely be a reason why you're abusive, and when that's the case, my empathy stops.

[@markramos1216]

Just imagine the sheer dumpster fire that CreepShow Art and Gabbie Hanna could have ignited had they formed an alliance of sorts years ago. However, fortunately for everyone, their shared trait of jealousy of others who are succeeding would eventually get in the way and lead them to stab each other’s backs.

[@rayykk7209]

I don’t think anyone wants to imagine that 😐

[@shmell918]

@@jimthecactus7425 oh god they’re friends??

[@shan5576]

@@shmell918 Yep. She has publically defended her on many occasions. It's also believed she made fake accounts to attack people like Hellolesh

[@bellezanegra0206]

But they DID form an alliance. They are just too busy being individual dumpster fires to use their evil for good.

[@bellezanegra0206]

@@shmell918 umm yeah. CSA has come under fire for not calling out GH. That happened right before this drama

[@luckypikachu4892]

Creepshow: "Draw your last pathetic art piece Emily!" Emily: "I have no pathetic art pieces but I do have the unstoppable receipts!"

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

All hail the receipts!

[@NeloBladeOfRanni]

That's a insult to kaiba

[@Sasygigikitty]

Kaiba doesn't deserve to be her, at least he had good qualities unlike her! 😤

[@xenathornburg2416]

I don't get how a person like Shannon who draws disproportionate and messy art has the Audacity to tell some one, like Emily with god like skills, that her art is pathetic.

[@Tara........]

@@xenathornburg2416 It's jealousy; the kind that became so obsessive that Shannon stalked Emily for years. It's incredibly sick.

[@jamesjabs3517]

And she would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for those meddling LOLcow admins.

[@zeyna4]

Scooby Doo 😂 nice one

[@keeshy]

I was gonna upvote but then I saw you have the perfect amount of 420 upvotes

[@SherrhondasAse]

I’m literally watching scooby doo right now 🤣

[@W1ldTangent]

Don't piss on a sysadmin and tell 'em it's rain. We have plenty of time and coffee to sift through logs if we take a break from Reddit and YT.

[@tiffanyraykrueger8621]

*In Scoobs* Good one Shaggy!

[@longbeachgrrrrl]

It sucks already when you have trust issues and people do things like this to you. I’m so so sorry.

[@silentfriend369]

Agreed. It takes a lot to trust again after being hurt by others.

[@commentbot9510]

It only reassures you that people can’t be trusted

[@vip5hawol-deehirota]

@@commentbot9510 Exactlyy smfh

[@KH-ou6ex]

Reason why I have literally one friend lol. I have major trust issues 😕

[@StephanieHarlowe]

Sending you love ❤️

[@jadefrancescaepperson3124]

We all do love you Glare! Sorry this shit happened.

[@LilKingler]

lots of queens in this comment section supporting Giulia 🙏💛

[@shibuyes]

stephanie!!

[@Larissabepressed]

Everybody I have spoken to has said the same thing about you Giulia...that you're such a genuinely kind person and you didn't deserve this at all. You have a lot of support and people who care about you. Losing a friendship in this way is very hard and I hope you're able to heal and process this asap💜

[@tq999]

My girl Stephanie is in the house!!

[@littlereddstar5264]

You can see the hurt to Giulia the person, not just to the "Ready to Glare" persona.

[@JMcAfreak]

The IP spoofing is less than "incredibly unlikely" - it's next to impossible, even for a pro hacker. A hacker can spoof an IP address for a DDoS, but they cannot spoof an IP address to connect to a webpage and, for example, post a comment. They would have to control two different routers that would require specific knowledge of the target server and the REAL version of the IP address they want to spoof. This is due to the TCP handshake, which is the server checking that a computer is opening a connection, and the computer saying "yes, I started this connection and wish to continue." Computer connects to server. It sends a specific set of data. This is initiating the handshake. Server receives the data, and then sends another set back to the computer. Computer sends another set of data to the server. THEN things like loading a webpage or logging into a service happen. What happens if someone spoofs an IP address? Computer connects to server, using a spoofed IP. It sends a data packet. Server sends a data packet to the machine with the IP address that was spoofed. The machine doesn't send a response since it didn't initiate the handshake. The connection ends.

[@gregjayonnaise8314]

There is also the fact that, if we are to believe “Amy” did spoof the IP, that would mean she’d been doing all of what you described for at least THREE years. After all, Shannon was only caught a few months ago and was active on Lolcow for a while. Why would “Amy” fake an IP for such a long period of time and only get herself revealed after a few years to make Shannon look bad? How could she have known someone would track the IP? Basically, “Amy” would not only have to be a really good hacker, but a really timely and manipulative one too.

[@Snoogen11]

Thanks man, this information is useful both in this situation and others, good on you for helping to educating people :)

[@W1ldTangent]

Yep this hacker nonsense is just incredulous on every level. Even nation-state hackers often slip-up their OpSec at some point over that long of a period, and there's no goddamned way she's that good even if she *could* pull it off (which we both know is almost impossible to do _once_ let alone 300 times).

[@grundierungtaglich6241]

In 4chan, people had used my IP and got me banned multiple times. In the ban reason says the cause and none of them were me.

[@rubikx6097]

Yea this argument only works against people who have no clue about it

[@thedramaticpenguin4888]

This must be so horrible for so many people, she’s hurt so many people. Sending love ❤️

[@hallway_revenant7919]

What I don't understand is why she's doing this, she literally makes videos calling people out for the same things.

[@TurtleChad1]

A Turtle no longer approves of CreepShowArt.

[@parkchimmin7913]

@@hallway_revenant7919 Projection?

[@suelowe115]

❤️Sending support. Sorry this happened to you.

[@Alexandraincognito]

@@hallway_revenant7919 Seems like she enjoys playing with people's emotions

[@YiseniPerez]

Beautifully said 💜

[@hbk2377]

I used to defend Shannon when people were saying she “love bombed” you and I gave her the benefit of the doubt, but now I completely take that back. I see it now and I’m sorry you went through such a toxic (and public) friendship with her. She was so so fake online it’s actually disgusting :(

[@franciscariveramartinez]

what does "lovebombing" mean? And how this Shannon person did it to RTG?

[@abbyryan788]

I'm wondering what love bombing is too

[@ReverieOfThorns]

@@franciscariveramartinez love bombing is basically when you overwhelm people with acts of love or appreciation in order to hide your true intentions, often publicly. A lot of manipulators and abusers use this tactic to keep their target close to them and to remove doubt in the victim's mind that they're being manipulated or abused and to make other people believe that they're a good person. It's unfortunately common and also unfortunately works fairly well on the victim :(

[@synneatssin]

@@franciscariveramartinez “Love bombing is an attempt to influence a person by demonstrations of attention and affection. It happens when someone overwhelms the victim with loving words or physical actions with manipulative behaviours.[1] It can be used in different ways and for either positive or negative purposes.[2] Psychologists have identified love bombing as a possible part of a cycle of abuse and have warned against it.” Copy and pasted from Wikipedia but it describes it well

[@lichhz4383]

Who is shannon? What is the name of her channel?

[@triplehearts914]

The fact that you STILL checked in with Shannon even after all of the stuff she did speaks volumes about how nice of a person you are. I hope you feel better about all of this soon

[@cooldudeinator3000]

What fucks me up is that a fully grown woman acts like this. She must feel really dissatisfied with herself to do this so consistently and to multiple people. Take care, RTG, and take all the time you need to heal and recover. We love you.

[@Nakia11798]

Yeah, that's PURE self-destructive behaviour.

[@yazzerino]

yeah only a really messed up person has the time and energy to hate on other people like this

[@Elliecham]

@@Nakia11798 Oh trust and believe there's more people like this out there. Compulsive liars, backstabbers, narcissists, etc. I've had my experience with one who'd I've exposed yet she knew how to manipulate people so I'd be the bad guy. It's mentally exhausting. I'm glad she's out of my life but it stays with you and makes you question every person you come into contact with - paranoia.

[@cuckoophendula8211]

In regards to her being "dissatisfied with herself," I'm really wondering how her relationship with Anthony plays a part in all of this. And as someone who never really watched her videos before, did she ever bring up her relationship before? If not, I find that very weird

[@alexh6767]

One thing I grew up thinking that adults are above all the petty drama and once I reach adulthood life would be more sane. The biggest misconception I've ever had. Creepshows age has nothing to do with her maturity unfortunately, she was probably always like this since a child.

[@TarotLadyLissa]

The fact that you weren’t shit talking and dogging her this whole video just shows how much better you are than her! Take that high road sis! the view is better up there anyway!

[@pastel_gardens9896]

Your pfp is super cute 🥰

[@justajeepgirlandherdogs]

and a lot less traffic

[@marlenekirkham5736]

#this

[@vonnie4914]

Shannon reminds me that scene from Mean Girls, where Regina compliments girl's skirt later she talks shit about her skirt.

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

Regina George wasn't even this nuts.

[@vonnie4914]

@@rosesweetcharlotte atleast Regina was mature for her age. She is almost fucking 30 and has a worst attitude than a maturing 16 years old

[@fauna5328]

And that she wrote her own name down in the burn book- Shannon posted comments shit talking herself on lolcow to remove any suspicion.

[@clorby22]

At least Regina redeemed herself by the end of the film. I don’t think we’re going to see Shannon genuinely change any time soon.

[@vonnie4914]

@@clorby22 Jokes aside I don't want so see Shannon ever again in this platform. After I watched Emily Artful's video my blood fucking boiled. What she did was crime and Emily could ended up hurting herself due to Shannon's and her psycho husbands behavior.

[@mollymine8520]

As someone who had been a fan of Shannon for a while I’m flabbergasted. I’m a Junior in high school now and have been watching Shannon’s videos and following her art for as long as I’ve been on the internet. I cant believe that this person who I’ve kind of looked up to for such a long time could turn out to be such a shitty person. Seriously disappointed. I’m sending my love and prayers out to you and Emily! You guys never deserved this.

[@jeishiikanzaki]

Honestly, take it as a lesson that the internet personalities - any celebrities really - are never who you think you see. Even the ones who try and be more down to earth and authentic are still performing a role. We develop these parasocial relationships where we think we know them, but we really don't.

[@madmouse1016]

Honestly, main reason I liked Shannon was because her personality reminded me a lot of my close friend, but even that close friend of mines didn't really like her. Then all of this came out and I just dunno what to think ...

[@jdhebdndjejwj1310]

same, im a junior and have been watching her for like a year. im not even sad, just angry. i dont understand how people can do shit like this.

[@fatimazafar4200]

tbf there's been a lot other stuff going on already, people had been trying to cancel her since like 2015-2016, just around 6 or 7 moths age when hopeless peaches POV on her situation got out people started to actually try and get her to apologize abt it, and became more aware, them Emily and Glare as of recently and FINALLY she's done here, she was always bad and sketchy even to her viewers I think just ppl never noticed it bc she was sorta obv manipulating her audience, I was like that too till 2016 which was when her vids got more.. controversial

[@MegaMadMuffin]

It’s not even her art, she, apparently with consent, takes smaller artists work and supposedly tags them in the description or smth, but doesn’t mention them in her videos in any other way

[@jodie6049]

I'm just so disappointed she turned out this way, you were manipulated along with so many people and there was really so many people she hurt and I just don't understand why Shannon did all of this. As a former viewer of Creepshow Art, it's really just so confusing to me why she'd keep up a front while leading a path of destruction when she thinks she's completely anonymous. Edit: I see so many people in the reply section trying to blame me and other people who were past viewers for falling for her antics. Keep in mind a few things, I was young and very impressionable when I started watching her content and I didn't know what behaviour to expect from commentary channels and even if the tone was too off putting like even when she was aggressive, I wrote it off as her just being angry at whatever horrible person she was talking about. I didn't know how to read people and it was never obvious to me when a tone was bad or good due to my inability to read situations. I only realized something in her tone was wrong when I started watching people like D'angelo Wallace and Kurtis Conner who were never aggressive in their content. I didn't see the red flags until much later, I stopped watching her videos about three months ago because I just couldn't stand her and that was around the time I started looking for podcasts instead. I'm sorry if you feel annoyed by all these people feeling betrayed but you have to remember that she manipulated an entire audience and the people closest to her - we're all just victims in this scenario and the only person to blame is Shannon.

[@angelastone4806]

Because of those last 5 words you typed, she thinks she is completely anonymous. She is a coward & thought that even if she was caught in lies that she would still be protected by the anonymity. It's honestly disgusting to see how many people hide behind a screen & think its okay to cause such chaos because of it freely.

[@xx-gb5rt]

Turned out this way? She's ALWAYS been like this. I can't believe she managed to fool a lot of people, can't you guys see how much of a horrible person she is from the getgo?

[@keeralove]

@@xx-gb5rt i’d been a viewer of hers for a while, and i thought she seemed really genuine and like she cared about the people around her. sometimes people lie, and not everyone will be able to tell. and that sucks.

[@aurcus5584]

@@xx-gb5rt I don't think it's your intention but don't shame people for not finding out sooner. No, we weren't able to tell from the get go. Her whole audience wasn't able to tell. Her friends weren't able to tell. She manipulated all of us

[@xarzneimittel8220]

@@xx-gb5rt I honestly can't, I'm confused 😕 and I don't think the way you're saying it helps in any way. It's not out fault the fact that we can't understand someone's mind.

[@bro-rm5xo]

If any random commenters here are not aware, please look into Emily Artful's experience with Shannon She seems much much worse than just lolcow posts

[@myfacade6107]

I’ve been watching Emily since the beginning and this broke my heart, the way Shannon treated her was absolutely disgusting

[@ddjsoyenby]

yeah.

[@rabbit__]

The tone of her video was so much more authentic than Shannon's.

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

Yeah, we're dealing with straight up crimes here

[@kellyannecoll]

Emily’s video was shocking, and I’m honestly pretty worried for Shannon now. Hearing about Shannon’s husband’s involvement makes this all so much weirder and scarier.

[@Kelseyzj]

Ugh this whole thing has really shook me. I can’t even imagine how you feel.

[@VannaBee]

I'm so sorry this had happened. You have all my love and respect 💚

[@bobatea1950]

Awww Vanna you're so caring

[@FreshNews247]

What happened? Or is it in the video?

[@Leecarterr]

@@FreshNews247 check pinned comment

[@SPACESTATIONLEVEL7]

VANNA YOUR SO SWEET

[@uzmk_mato]

actually cancelled dinner to watch this

[@ShawtySurelyTrifling]

Make sure to eat though. Much love x

[@DameVonBonDaisy]

Worth it

[@stratosphere94]

Eat & watch ❤️

[@Bonnie-lo3zh]

Postponed making crepes to watch this 💀😂

[@Monorakun]

Eu, didn't expected u here Tora

[@DismemberedHat]

Her sending you roses before everything hit the fan is called "love bombing" and is a common manipulation tactic to put their victim in a position where they'd feel like they have to agree or go along with them Edit: I'd like to clarify that "love bombing" is a repeated behavior to manipulate someone. This one instance of Shannon giving Glare flowers is not exactly love bombing; however, given Shannon's behavior towards people like Omnia and Emily, and how she love bombed them to back them into a place where they felt like they had to go along with Shannon and felt guilty if they didn't, I wouldn't be surprised if this weren't the only instance that Shannon has done something like this to Glare. If they were as close as implied in the video, any kind gestures could have been brushed off as "friendship" rather than manipulation. The thing about love bombing is that it doesn't always immediately precede shit hitting the fan. My narcissistic mother has love bombed me all my life, taking me on extravagant vacations or buying me expensive things out of the blue and then using her "kindness" against me in a disagreement. She still holds vacations we took 15 years ago- when I was an elementary student- over my head.

[@oh-6613]

Not necessarily lol. A one time thing isnt love bombing, a pattern would be. Stop using terms of abuse so easily because it makes it harder for people to recognize actual abuse.

[@DismemberedHat]

@@oh-6613 it's a pattern with Creepshow Art to love bomb people. She did it with Omnia and Emily Artful. It's not using a term of abuse so easily. It's appropriately using a term of abuse when an abuser has repeatedly displayed this behavior. Like? Do your research before coming at people?

[@xxcallmeniaxx3272]

@@oh-6613 hi I survived different forms of abuse personally, perhaps you have too? I personally feel this is a correct usage because Shannon had set a precedent in doing this stuff with others as well and because the context she was trying to use that in. You can disagree but that doesn't mean it's objectively going to hurt abuse survivors perhaps your a survivor yourself, as I said, but you can't speak for everyone, thank you for caring about the rest of us but we may have different opinions from you.

[@bluerobot3806]

I don't think what she did was love bombing. Manipulative yes but not the same as omnia. With omnia she would shower her with compliments and tell her often how she is "her idol" or "the best blah blah blah". Giving flowers isn't really love bombing... I would agree if she did more before/after that i.e strong&often compliments, nice gestures, more gifts.

[@eastdakota6954]

y'all remember when Creepshow was accused of love bombing that one time?

[@IndigoAlpha]

You’re so incredibly brave and powerful speaking on this. Make no mistake: This is a significant trauma, it’s demoralizing and heartbreaking to go through something like this not once, but TWICE. Please take care of yourself and your mental health. You’re a good person! It takes a lot of kindness and strength to reach out to Shannon to check on her even after what she did! You and nobody else in the friend group deserves this, at all.

[@PajamaManor]

How can you fully trust online ‘friends’ again after something like this?

[@msrustyspatula8679]

@@PajamaManor exactly, I doubt I'd even be a good enough person to check on her through all of that!

[@IndigoAlpha]

@@PajamaManor me, myself, personally; I don’t trust Shannon at all anymore. Not after all that’s come out and after watching Emily Artful’s video and seeing how low Shannon’s behavior has been. I am throughly disgusted by Shannon and am embarrassed for her and that I was ever a fan of her. I was just saying that Guilia (sp?) has the emotional strength and kindness of a flipping *Saint* to check in on Shannon even after their friendship is over and after all Shannon did. Guilia (again, sp?) is truly a better person than I’d be in this situation

[@rayray9073]

Changing her profile pic to her younger self is so blatantly manipulative...

[@catherineward4793]

It reminds me of when Shane Dawson changed his profile pic after he was canceled

[@dearfauxpas]

oh tbh i thought that was just a random picture of a child

[@lvl10cooking]

Do you mind explaining? I am not doubting you, just want to know the how and why.

[@luxlox9029]

@@lvl10cooking I think it’s because of a few things :) 1. it’s basically making you see her as fully rounded person, this isn’t just ‘creepshow art’ who has done all these terrible things and come close to absolutely ruining someones life, this is a girl who has a family, a childhood, a full life - even though none of that negates horrible actions done in adulthood, it can evoke empathy in some people and make it hard for you to just see her as a horrible, manipulative creator 2. Children represent innocence, if you look at pictures of (just for an example) killers as children, you’ll find it hard to see how they could grow into a person that could commit such terrible, depraved acts. If when you go into Shannon’s profile, ready to unfollow or write a message about how terrible you think she is, if you’re met with a child version of herself before you do so, you may start double-thinking and maybe not actually going ahead with what you planned to do Basically, She’s manipulating you through the last Avenue she has - the fact that she’s ‘just a young girl’ -, and probably someone most of you used to like and empathise with, in order to try and escape the inevitable backfire. I really don’t think it’s working at all though, like nice try but, I think she’s finally going to have consequences for her terrorising actions

[@caprisunlover4732]

@@luxlox9029 I agree

[@ninskdesign]

All the people demanding a response lost sight of the fact that her friends were victims too. Unless you’ve been through it, it’s impossible to empathize with how psychologically traumatic the act of being betrayed by someone you’ve invested a lot of trust in truly is. I’m so sorry you are experiencing that due to this situation. It’s completely understandable that you still have compassion for Shannon and I hate that you feel the need to defend that bc people lack the life experience necessary to understand how cruel it is to expect immediate condemnation or suffer guilt by association. It doesn’t make sense that so much energy would be put into a facade for the sake of self-promotion and grappling with the reality of her false persona doesn’t negate that the friendship was genuine for you. You should be permitted the space to grieve that loss and to wish better for Shannon bc she clearly needs help. On behalf of the audience that understands that… I want to apologize for any pressure you felt from those who don’t. Wishing you peace, love, and support as you process everything and begin to heal. 💞

[@lisapeesalemonsqueezah3241]

Omg so well said! Hope she she's this one.

[@courtneyisaseagull]

[@JaseekaRawr]

Right?! I wouldn't have been able to put out a response, esp video response, this quickly, for real. Guilia is so strong.

[@TimeQuxxn]

@@JaseekaRawr took the words out of my mouth. The trolls/insensitive people on this site are usually pretty young. I know because when I actually throw an educated argument back to their trolling they just say "I don't need this. Logging off"

[@DuhDee]

Co-signing this! She owes no one any explanation and should heal through this trauma however she wants and as long as it takes. I guess some people aren’t able to be respectful and need the affected parties to SpIlL tHe TeA 🤦‍♀️

[@1122bogiewogieavenue]

You know shits about to get real when I've been watching giulia for over 3 years and have never seen her record outside of her studio

[@nekowatt2402]

I'm shocked to find out just how many people she has affected. Even you aren't safe. I'm so sorry that this happened to you. All of this honestly hits me hard because I once had a friend/ex-gf who turned out to be extremely hurtful and toxic. After her abuse towards me, I learned of all the abuse she has done to everyone else them I later learned that she talks shit about me behind my back during our relationship. We've tried to reason with her but she just lashed out against us with her clique then pushed us away painting us as the villains. She's sadly still out there doing her thing, because well there's only so much a group of victims can do with a person like her, which is also why I'm glad that you are getting your justice in the form of the internet community.

[@ashleysartattack5600]

This comment and the video is hitting me hard too because yesterday i got broken up with. I was recently dating a guy who seemed so lovely and sweet, and we were long distance. So this past weekend i drove up to his state and he turned into this abusive, controlling psycho. It was out of nowhere and im so shaken up by it. I really dont understand what happened. I was so kind to him and he never showed any signs that he was so violent and aggressive. He broke up with me yesterday and everyone is saying that i dodged a bullet, but it still hurts. I had a very painful breakup last year, and i was thinking that i could finally have hope again that i could be with someone nice. Nope. Apparently not. 🤷‍♀️ Sorry, i just really needed to vent this.

[@nekowatt2402]

@@ashleysartattack5600 I'm so sorry to hear that. Your story is actually the same as mine she too was really kind I too thought that she was my big break. It's a very frightening and honestly traumatizing experience. I can't tell what the case for the guy is since I don't even know him but that's how it usually goes for those types of people, they prey on those who really care and manipulate them to care for them. While we give it all they're actually just using us. I wish you all the best in life and I hope that you will be able to recover from this in a healthy way. I had the misfortune of losing my way in life because of the trauma and I wish others wouldn't through the same mistake.

[@catcodraws7831]

the sad part about betrayal is it never comes from a stranger

[@melissamoonchild9216]

well by the very nature of betrayal it has to come from someone close

[@Silenceeify]

No way!!??

[@whenallwasgold]

I think it’s so unfair that people demand instant responses and reactions of people when their friends are exposed for being harmful. As humans, we need time to process our complex emotions and I think we should all try to be more patient with one another instead of demanding people speak out immediately or writing them off as enablers or complicit. I hope you’re taking care of yourself above all else 💗

[@cosmichoshi4175]

I completly agree. It makes me feel ill knowing that some people can just disregard people's mental health who have been directly effected by this to fuel their own narrative as soon as they want it. Give people the time they need. I hope you can heal from this Giulia.

[@rabbit__]

Instant responses to shit like this causes more grief than its worth. Taking the time to process, and understand the situation and how it affects you is so important to having a healthy response.

[@chaosthecartographer4685]

Honestly it didn’t even occur to me your silence was compliance/avoidance/etc. I was concerned your mental health had taken a heavy hit because of this so I’m glad to see you’re (relatively) okay. She fooled a lot of people and has done a lot of damage. I hope you are getting support irl and we all send you our love and support as well 💜

[@darkwriter_xx94]

Honestly, I figured she wouldn’t make a public video because of the possible mental toll this would take. Never thought she condoned it at all.

[@lexitaah]

The roses were a: "I'm such a nice person and I'm your friend" She knew what was coming. I'll have to be honest her lovebombing of you in particular Giulia was what made me stop watching her. A good friend can be a good friend without getting the whole internet involved

[@ajaku]

Exactly, and same here. It was just too much. Came across really disingenuous

[@lilmouseygirl79]

This makes Creep an even bigger Creep. I feel bad for everyone who is caught the wake of her being a trash human. Like did she really think noone would ever find out?!?

[@marlenathorvald]

She did...I got into it with her over a year ago because she's a trash person and pretty much everyone took her side and she thought that would happen forever and for a while it did everyone took her side on everything for years

[@WhitneyDahlin]

I truly believe she's a sociopath. She can't hold herself back from hurting others it just brings her so much happiness. She went out of her way to pretend to be people's friends and be best friends with these people for years while also harassing and slandering them on line for years. She gets off on hurting other people. She can't control herself it just brings her so much joy and pleasure to see others suffering. I truly believe she's a sociopath and that she didn't care if she ever got caught or not. She probably got arrogant enough at one point to believe she was untouchable but in the end she just wanted to see others suffer too much to not take the risk. I am normally very against cancel culture but I think we all have more than enough evidence in this case to know for sure this person is a terrible person and does not deserve the career they've been given. Shannon can go back to living in her car. I always wondered why her family and friends didn't help her when she was homeless and now I know. She's such a sociopath her own family doesn't even want her around.

[@lydiaboll2872]

@@WhitneyDahlin I’m so glad her videos were too boring for me get too attached to her. Thank you severe ADHD!

[@ZOMPUPPIE]

Im so sorry Shannon did this to you. You never deserved it . She's a bully and always has been

[@DameVonBonDaisy]

Amen 🙏 I too have spoken on it. This entire thing is so sad. Poor things. We must send them loving and healing 💕 and give them time

[@HonestyGaming]

I have supported both of them for a long time. I was and am caught completely off guard by this. I just wanted to know what you have heard/seen from Shannon to say this, obviously I have missed some things

[@raysha9932]

Yes she is and I'm sorry but a lot of these creators enabled her not Glare but she would start hate campaigns and they would all follow after her

[@ShawtySurelyTrifling]

@@DameVonBonDaisy I’m sorry. I hope things get better for you and anyone else who went through this

[@ad_kk16]

@@lalayastill610 True. Bully is the wrong to use. It's more like a tormentor

[@HolicChan]

Can’t believe she didn’t even admit it to her own close friends

[@juliamomu]

I mean she was shit-talking about those close friends so...

[@RMaher-cz7gw]

I doubt she can even admit it to herself. I imagine she has said so many lies she's convinces herself she's genuinely in the right.

[@suitdoggy4707]

That is if she actually really thought of them as friends. An not just a social security blanket.

[@thayna64077]

Girl my own mother tried to burn my face with a hot fork and had the nerve to tell me "why do you hate me so much? I Never did that to you" some people are just madly fucked up and don't care for anyone

[@HolicChan]

@@juliamomu it's more so because its so obvious shes lying, so the fact that she STILL wont admit to those close to her, i genuinely find bananas

[@ProbablyAkeelah]

At this point, I’m ready for anything. After watching Emily’s video, there’s no way Shannon can get worse

[@bellezanegra0206]

Don’t even say that. That’s when worse info comes out.

[@ProbablyAkeelah]

@@bellezanegra0206 oh yeah. True

[@kate.6262]

Great now you've jinxed us /j

[@cher3093]

Sure she can.

[@AudraBurgess]

[Billy Mays enters the chat]

[@cherrybombrose3532]

Just knowing what she did to Emily Artful, and her supposed “friends”. It’s safe to say she’s trash 🤡 Imagine stalking someone for almost a decade because they dated your ex before you.

[@PumaArg]

May I ask you what she did to her? I couldn't watch the video because it had a SA trigger warning, but I'd like to vaguely know

[@cherrybombrose3532]

@@PumaArg So Emily was with an abusive ex and when they finally ended it, Shannon ended up dating her ex. Emily was pretty sure he was cheating with Shannon already but had no proof of it. It’s a lot here but they hacked her fb, threatened to send her nudes (even her underage ones), and stalked her for over 8 years. Threatened her and her family, called her a bunch of names under socket accounts, etc. There’s so much more and that’s a brief summary so oof

[@headerahelix]

@@PumaArg Creepshow has been silently seething for 12 years because her boyfriend (people say they aren't really married but I have no idea) is still obsessed with Emily Artful. Creepshow's entire KZbin channel and identity seems to be modelled after Emily. It seems to be the reason she even created her channel was to mess with Emily, as they'd been following her around and getting her fired from everywhere.

[@beewest5704]

How much time do they have on their hands to spend so much trying to destroy someone & harass them. This is insane. They are going to kill someone someday.

[@nahbirdie4773]

@@PumaArg and then on top of that, creepshow came out talking about someone named amy stalking her, describing and using the experience for herself. Like as if she was pretending or fantasising that she was emily 🙄 she even talked n bitched about emily and spread lies like she tried to kill her own child or something. Just ridiculous things. she also befriended emily in such weird ways and was super nice to her. I think the emily experience is the CORE of this whole thing. She seems unhealthily obsessed with emily either in hate or in love, or both, she's gotten her fired from jobs before and she's made her life hell. Emily has wasted so much money on private investigators, therapy and all around its just.. It's too much. Also, i think the SA part is mentioned only a couple of times. Not in long detail at least i can check back to reconfirm that. And perhaps if you'd like, i can give you markers where to skip. Or someone else could help me with that because its 2 hours long. Or if you'd like, reply back if you want to know what it is, in a very brief sentence, to determine if you'd want to still watch the video or not. If not that's okay :))) whatever keeps u comfortable. I might watch the condensed video too (to sent my boyfriend lol) so i can see if its mentioned less there or not idk.

[@davidboyd4026]

Reminds me of the old Edgar Allen Poe story William Wilson. Where the dude is crazy and being stalked and stuff. But it is all him

[@silentfriend369]

Fascinating observation. Thank you for commenting it. :)

[@gringa978]

Sounds like an older movie with Johnny Depp... I can't remember the name for the life of me.

[@asleepbydawn137]

Yesss!

[@asleepbydawn137]

@@gringa978 my ass was thinking holy shit it's like Secret Window with Johhny Depp character paranoid about that Shooter guy when HE WAS SHOOTER the whole time!!!! 😂😂😂😂 So messed up.

[@netajones2098]

OMG, it sure does, the whole situation is eerily similar to that story.

[@sherlockrosary]

Been subscribed for a long while - I was there when you went live. It was so hard to see, knowing you were in such immense pain and clearly emotionally traumatized, yet also knowing there was probably nothing I as a mere subscriber could say to comfort you. Please just know, all these years later, I was there and I cried with you. I’m sorry for this entire situation as well. It is almost too twisted to be real, but as we grow older reality does indeed become stranger than fiction. Please, be good to yourself. You are valuable. You are cherished.

[@justjulia8007]

This made me feel physically ill. I’m crying just because this type of deep betrayal is so scary, so hurtful and hard to unravel. Be careful with your heart and health, I’ve given both to narcissists who were both friends and family; gaslighting is a Fu#king horrendous thing to go through. I’m so sorry.

[@HeatherHolt]

@@bigchungus6528 hopefully she was being dramatic in her statement and not literally crying over people she doesn’t know irl

[@humanperson318]

Has it not occurred to you that it sound very reminiscent of her own in real life experiences, hence why she would be possibly crying?

[@justjulia8007]

@@humanperson318 thank you. Yes. I did cry because my wounds are very fresh and very similar, so of course it mentally took me to my own similar experience. I’m glad you can read and have empathy unlike others. Be well.

[@justjulia8007]

@@bigchungus6528 and you could re-evaluate your name.

[@jodiewhitham6850]

Friendship heartbreak like this to me is more upsetting than any relationship break up or heartbreak I've had. I just want to hug her.

[@jeanpaleo490]

I agree, for me relationships ending is inevitable because I only want to be with one person in the long run (I'm not sure how this might be different if I wanted an open relationship), but friendships never HAVE to come to an end, so it just hurts so much more when it happens

[@rmawbz1109]

I was a huge fan of yours before she was even on the scene, you were the first person I thought of after Emily though, because you had met in person and become personal friends. Hope you're okay🖤🖤

[@autumnshennae0687]

As a former viewer of “Creep Show Art”, this is super confusing and I feel hurt aswell.

[@juju10lins]

Right? She potrait herself as a totally different person. I used to really like her, i kinda feel that i wil not ever look at youtubers the same way. U never know how they really are. Heck! I can only imagine how Ready to Glare is feeling right now... cause imagine one of your friends doing this to u online.

[@heidyrichiez4833]

Same I am so confuse.... I came to know about Giulia because of Shannon and I’m trying to find a reason why she did this. I really can’t imagine how hurt she is, and also the other victims.

[@Shaowraven2266]

@@juju10lins I mean, yeah she did but tbh her tone always though me off, she always seemed aggressive even when the topic she was talking about doesn't make sense to be. Same with videos that I could tell she just attacked the person based off of personally views

[@ghostiguro]

i was hugely inspired by shannon and even saw some of my personality in hers. i loved (most) of her content, her story times, her loudness, her humour, her personality, her “good heart.” now i’m not sure how to feel. either way it’s not a good feeling. :// i can only imagine how the people close to her feel about all this.

[@Dani_the_crow]

Me too. I've been a fan of her for years now and I really looked up to her as an artist. But she's nothing like the person she pretended she was

[@karevv]

The fact that you went on checked up on Shannon despite all of this going on & feeling so betrayed- really shows how wonderful of a person you are. That really truly shows how much you care for the people around you & im truly sorry from the bottom of my heart that all of this happened & that you had to relive such a traumatic event from your past. I haven’t seen many of your videos but I just wanted you to know you have so many people around you that love and support everything you do. I hope you’re able to heal from this.

[@b.b.sprite4542]

Major respect for checking in on her even though your feelings were hurt. That's really admirable.

[@Topota_Madre_]

“Can’t put the shit back into the horse.” -Emily D. Baker

[@nicanonymus2491]

Ewww, I see the picture… 🤮

[@_gothy_mothy_]

Ew. Accurate. But ew lol

[@gemmayoutube]

I thought that was going to say Emily Dickinson 😫

[@dottyorange7270]

@@gemmayoutube 😂😂😂

[@ivanovskameow999]

@@gemmayoutube "The moon was but a chin of gold a night or two ago, and now she's gone and done a shit and tied it in a bow." Ahhh, one of my favourites..

[@TeaSpiracy]

Your hair is just..... magical. You're adorbs. Now that I've gotten that out of the way, I'll say this: Having a friend that ends up not being who you thought they were, is like grieving the death/loss of someone you knew. I know this is a morbid comparison, but it's true. So with that being said.... Sorry for your loss. 🦄 Stay Magical

[@jeanwhildier1648]

HI AZ❗❗❗❗❗🧞‍♀️

[@areyoukiddingme6741]

I agree with you wholeheartedly AZ. I lost (never really had now that I look back) someone who I thought was my friend of over 30 years. It is like a death, sometimes burying that part of your life is healing and beautiful. As odd as that sounds, I believe it to be true also. I also agree that RTG is absolutely beautiful, stay strong and continue to love yourself young lady. All the best

[@TeaSpiracy]

@@areyoukiddingme6741 💜💜💜 xo

[@iilluminaughtii]

Love you ♥️

[@seveni2091]

We send love and support to Guilia, she can take as much time as she needs to heal. None of us will be upset by that. I'd rather see her happy with one video every 3 years even, than multiple videos with her burnt out. She always apologizes for taking time off, and even made this video to explain her troubles. I will always be here as a loyal fan. Thank you iilluminaughtii, for supporting her as well ❤

[@mercedeswhyte8926]

Didn't expect to see Blaire here

[@savannahadams3145]

As an ex fan of Creepshow, I can’t even imagine how Guilia is feeling right now. I was a Ready to Glare fan long before ever discovering Shannon’s channel, but up until I heard about all this (and more), I was an avid watcher of both. This is horrible, horrible, horrible.

[@saulelcrack8177]

This whole thing is insane, never imagined what kind of person CreepShowArt truly was.

[@SunniDae333]

Hi Blaire! Big hugs to you and Casper for supporting RTG ❤️

[@joesmith4703]

Can’t help but wonder.. if she actually used one of those VPN company’s she pushed, she wouldn’t have got caught

[@rachelannbunny]

Omfg 😭😭☠☠

[@tupacisalive1236]

Lmao that’s pretty ironic,I guess whatever is done in the dark comes to light

[@sisselhelennikolaisen510]

People get get trough a VPN in 30 minutes.

[@shilpanair4657]

@@sisselhelennikolaisen510 oh shit do they?

[@mirrepoix]

even when your IP changes your browser cookies don't, unless you erase them regularly. any website that stores cookies has a unique profile on you that documents every time you've been there, what your browser and IP was when you visited, and what device you used. this is what allows websites to remember that you've logged in before so that you don't have to log in again, and tailor recommendations and ads to you. the lolcow admins used this cookie information to immediately debunk her claim that her IP was spoofed, because they had her history going back YEARS, across multiple devices.

[@tiactus]

If anything, I'm glad this situation came to light. Emily is finally able to tell her story after years of torment, and I know that must feel cathartic to finally speak up against someone who caused you harm. I really hope you take care of yourself too, take time to process everything and take time for yourself

[@martynedelways8686]

yes! everyone go watch Emily Artful's video!!

[@darkwriter_xx94]

@@martynedelways8686 yes! It silenced the small part of me that wanted to give creepshow the benefit of the doubt.

[@herefortheshrimp1469]

I stopped following Shannon a while ago because I thought she was a judgmental piece of crap... but I never imagined that she would do the kind of shit she’s done to ppl like Emily and her own friends. It’s genuinely disturbing and while I’m sure some of us who stopped favoring her before feel validated - I hate this. I hate all of it.

[@caitlinthomasina]

You gave her way more dignity and respect than she deserves and that’s the difference between you two. She lost a friend, you’ve had a lucky escape ♥️

[@smurfizebra4817]

Very well said!!

[@dramacoma6786]

It's dicult to process when your experiences are real but the person you had the experiences with was a fake.

[@cal5225]

I’m so sorry about all of this, she should had been deplatformed a long time ago, none of this was your fault

[@francesphoenix2035]

I had never heard of lolcow before this, I just checked it out. what a disgusting horrifying corner of the internet

[@nahbirdie4773]

Same! But fitting now that shannon spent most of her time there, even on multiple accounts.

[@smilesxo06]

I still don't see the point of it

[@morgan5066]

i haven’t brought myself to check it out and i hope i never do. you’re a much braver person than me for looking at it

[@maggotscave9345]

I can’t figure that page out 👁👁 maybe for the best huh

[@nameofthename]

it's pretty much just 4chan imo

[@naturegirl8248]

Betrayal is the worse. It makes you question everybody in life after the fact.

[@-MaryPoppins-]

THIS is what narcissists are like. This is exactly how they act. Their self esteems are so low, that here is NOTHING they won’t do to try and gain something from you. She was never your friend hun. That’s an insane fact to try and reconcile with, and you are well within your rights to bar this person from maintaining any sort of presence in your life. I’m so, so sorry ❤️

[@maxwellpeter5955]

Where i'm from, i never had friends like shannon but i can't imagined myself being in drama caused by miss creepshow

[@moonhearts4707]

Yeah i agree

[@lasagnewolf]

Yep, my ex-husband to a T.

[@-MaryPoppins-]

@@lasagnewolf Jesus Christ I’m so sorry hun. My soon to be ex husband as well. I’m so so so sorry for what you’ve been through. I hope and pray he leaves you alone for good, and nothing but happiness follows you❤️ none of this is even a tiny smidge amusing to me. It’s terrifying.

[@thatdancertho8739]

Y’all will call anybody a narcissist. Everybody thinks they’re an expert on mental health, trauma, etc. and have grounds to say certain things. If you’re referring to N.P.D. and insinuating that this creepyshowart person has it, then 🤐.

[@CathysWorld383]

You know, Creep Show Art always gave me Onision vibes and energy. Am I alone in thinking this?

[@user-zz2qv4lz8h]

I tried watching her videos in the past, but I just couldn't. She sounds hateful, and her art is not good, it's kinda awful imo. Good thing people found out about this side of her. I'm sorry for the victims tho.

[@cheshireterror624]

She’s officially started giving me those vibes after watching this. I’m honestly disgusted by her behaviour.

[@requiem3402]

I watched a few videos out of curiosity and boredom despite the art being hideous and that condescending/aggressive tone but soon I started to get bad vibes and a lot of stuff came off as complete BS to me like that time when there were people fabricating m3th and the building had to be evacuated so I left quick

[@ashleygonzales4082]

Yeah, I got the same vibe too. Onision and her both sounded smug and so sure of themselves which I don’t like.

[@Hoebafett]

I gave her videos a try a few years ago back when everyone and their mom was making onision videos, and I noticed that she would just constantly repeat herself and she would just make herself angrier and angrier throughout the video and it just gave me the weirdest feeling. She definitely came across to me as that person who believed that just because she was angry about something that must mean she’s in the right

[@RumbleRish]

I hate to be that guy but: there’s always a bright side. Here, you no longer have a horrible, fake, toxic person in your life. Keep your head up!! And she’ll eventually get what’s coming for her :)

[@Whoareyoupeople900]

Why would you hate to be the person who talks positively lol. That's a good thing!

[@RumbleRish]

@@Whoareyoupeople900 Lol idk some people get annoyed with that because they want their time to just be sad ya know?

[@kaedesghost3123]

It may feel sarcastic or insensitive to put out optimism, but adding a little optimism to the situation doesn't hurt.

[@atanaZion]

Did she stop tho??

[@rainrahman4024]

i had friends who faked their own suicide and it really messed with me. i still struggle with grieving other loved ones' deaths because of those friends. i understand how heartbreaking it is to think you've lost a friend, but only to find out that they lied to you about it. i can't imagine the pain that you felt when you found those posts about you. i am so sorry and i really, truly hope you have healed from that situation along with this one with shannon.

[@EnchantingWings1]

One of my friends has attempted suicide recently. I'm still processing it, despite get being okay, on meds and released from hospital. Using it to mess with people is horrible.

[@PumaArg]

@@EnchantingWings1 My dad commited suicide a month ago (I think, it feels like it was yesterday) and we weren't able to save him. It is FUCKED UP to use that just to be an asshole with someone, the guilt and the pain are the worst things I've ever experienced in my psychologically unstable life. Based on my experience, I'm pretty sure it can provoke trauma, depression, self-harm and suicide because I have been fighting all of those things in this last month

[@bonnievalentine]

The lolcow admins are honestly heroes

[@lieutenant_lucky_rocks]

In this situation yes, but we cannot discuss this site without acknowledging its much more prevalent role as a hotbed of transphobia, racism, targeted harassment, basically everything awful in the world, none of which their honorable actions here can mitigate.

[@neu_dae]

yeah only in this sense. Lolcow is still one of the most hellish sites I've ever had the displeasure of clicking through, and the admins are there to keep that shit running.

[@neu_dae]

@Oli Ver obviously not, but Lolcow is a completely different level of intensity then a KZbin comment section could ever dream of being lol

[@alwayscommenting56]

@Oli Ver KZbin comment sections are Nothing compared to lolcow, you should really check out what's posted there. KZbin, Twitter, etc still have terms of services that limit what you can say (hate speech, targeted harrassment, etc are still not allowed) and you can still report those to get the comments/users taken down. Lolcow has a completely different TOS that allows these disgusting stuff to fester.

[@CrypticPara]

How I see lolcow when knowing about it is like old meme Love them or hate them, they are speaking the truth

[@janeillebraswell2519]

Whoever Shanon is she seems like an absolute disaster of a person. I had no awareness of her until Emily Artful was suggested to me this morning. I wouldn’t know where to begin trying to decipher anything from lol cow, but based on what others have shared it sounds like she kept up a full time job shit talking to herself for attention. That you checked in on her while maintaining your boundaries speaks highly of your character. She is clearly someone who needs help, I hope she gets it. 💖

[@followingangel7540]

Shanon is Creepshow art.

[@niftynic115]

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time", -Maya Angelou Chin up, I know it sucks but we got you.

[@emilyhollis4231]

I knew your silence wasn't you "signing off" on it. Wishing you health, healing and happiness. ❤🧡💛💚💙💜

[@victoriacorbier6983]

Ended a 12 year friendship last year and I’m still processing the realization that sometimes you really don’t know people and what they’re capable of doing. I don’t blame you for how you are handling all of it and actually support the idea of waiting for more concrete footing before you can begin to move forward. Hope you keep your head up through this crap.

[@thegardner1387]

I feel you. Ended a 9 year relationship last may.

[@ddjsoyenby]

*hugs* sorry you have to go through that.

[@Adamant_Adam]

I had to cut off a toxic friendship of 7 years in my senior year of highschool. That shit is ugly, and leaves you fckn traumatized

[@victoriacorbier6983]

May we all grieve unconventional losses we weren’t prepared for and come out stronger, more aware, and less tolerant of BS! Thank you guys. Feeling so bummed by betrayal and dishonesty but.. also comforted by the idea of not being alone in it. There’s no real way to ready yourself for this sorta devastation and you just gotta go through the stages. Was very curious to hear her perspective in this situation and it was therapeutic in a way to me. To know another feels confused and can sit in that discomfort and it’s ok.. 🖤

[@mint.berry.crunch]

It’s interesting seeing this all come out now. I ended up unsubscribing from her a bit ago because she’s kinda… mean (?) in her videos. She was like hardcore roasting the dude’s appearance from that couple who put their dog down for no reason. Like I get it they’re trash and they made a slew of terrible decisions but was that really necessary? I was surprised to see so many comments patting her on the back for it. Anyway, all that just to say I’m not surprised there’s been other issues with her. Hopefully she can get some help and figure her shit out.

[@whoahanant]

A lot of people also did the same, many previous subscribers unsubbed because the content just became really aggressive. Then the lolcow thing happened. The weird aggression made the videos uncomfortable.

[@kelseyhorton8514]

She became super aggressive and it was annoying. I watched her video on the couple who put their dog down, and was thinking why go off on looks when they gave you more than enough ammo.

[@cheeseguzzler6269]

I would roast a man for putting a dog down unreasonably too. Not trying to defend her actions though. Edit: Shannon is in the wrong, and I have believed she was in the wrong since more evidence has come out. I was simply explaining why she did that, but not defending her. Edit 2: why did i even trust her when she was being blatantly mean half the time she was talking in her videos.

[@mint.berry.crunch]

@@cheeseguzzler6269 She was making fun of his appearance which is entirely unrelated to him putting his dog down. Criticize their actions and decisions all you want but I found her commentary about the way he looks pretty off-putting.

[@mint.berry.crunch]

@@kelseyhorton8514 riiiight like she didn’t need to go there at all

[@itsrainingmelons6202]

I could tell she was a mess. She went from an art channel to basically keemstar in a matter of months, because it was boosting her views.

[@RJ-sd6uc]

KARMA did her so good. This is what hapoen when mix art and try to cancel other ppl

[@lydiaboll2872]

You either die Jenna Marbles (I couldn’t think of a better example) or live long enough to see yourself become Keemstar.

[@IllucinateXx]

I always had a bad feeling about creepshow art. She come off as too aggressive. READYTOGLARE always came off as kind of a sweetheart ❤ too kind for her own good

[@livturner5696]

Honestly same, I liked her sort of content but didn't like the attitude she gave off at all so never followed her, well this just solidifies for me now that I definitely do not like her at all

[@aliciazombie8699]

She also covered some stories where she was shitty to people who didn't deserve it is Jameela Jamil

[@PaigeChristieUK]

❤️

[@kaitschmidt452]

Congrats on your beautiful baby!

[@purge440]

❤️❤️❤️

[@sierikaninaj2107]

I can’t wrap my head spring the fact that there are vile jealous people out there that literally exists to destroy someone else for no reason. It’s sickening.

[@CrypticPara]

I couldn't too, like their hatred lasted to how much extent is fucking mind boggling

[@jeaniejbutler4911]

people like that try to destroy those they are not able to be and know they cant learn to be like

[@ImbriumDream]

After everything that has come out about her and Emily, it’s clear to me that she invented the “Amy” character and story so that if she ever got backed into a corner she could “come out” and name Emily as “her stalker”. I’m so glad Emily beat her to the punch and told her story before that could happen.

[@crystalb4178]

I think she invented the story so she could discredit Emily\make it look like Emily copied her story if Emily decided to publicly talk about being stalked.

[@PageShearling]

The betrayal is palpable. Shannon is incredibly two faced.

[@THAT444GIRL]

wait who’s shannon?

[@Tayl0r_]

@@THAT444GIRL creepshow art

[@manifestationsofasort]

@angel In case you don't know anything about the whole situation, I know Omnia and Truth Sleuth have both made videos covering the situation. Emily Artful has a very long video recounting her experience of being stalked by Creepshow. It's...a lot. And it's bad.

[@erin4321]

you know as a kid(lol) I used to think goats were boys and lambs were girls. lol

[@ThisIsNuckingFuts]

@@erin4321 lol that’s cute

[@sayarome8507]

I can hear the pain in your voice, I am so sorry you're dealing with something like this yet again. It is an indescribable feeling to be betrayed by someone who you considered a friend. You are a person who has gone through some shit and it has made you stronger and empathetic, you know how it feels to be in the dark so you strive to help people find the light. Thank you for sharing your side of the situation, we need more people like you on this platform and just in the world in general. Keep shining

[@luvuberrymuch49]

Y'know it's messed up, but I wasn't super surprised when I heard about this situation. It was out of left feild but about a year ago I fell out of love with Shannon's content due to it shifting from her making points and criticizing creators into her basically just talking shit. It just started feeling less like her making a point against someone and more like she was just hateful. So when I read what she had said about people on lolcow, no I wasn't surprised. I'm so sorry to her friends she hurt and communities she offended with her use of slurs, it will get better but in the mean time just take time to take care of yourselves 💖

[@MonstehDinosawr]

100%

[@SleepyConure]

Yupp same. I actually did continue to watch her despite being put off by her getting more and more agressive in her videos and I hoped she'd eventually return to her old not so negative content but obviously that never happened. I wish I could say I was suprised when all of this came out but honestly after the Peaches drama it was already hard to pretend she was always acting in good faith (btw this is not me saying that none of Shannon's criticisms against Peaches were valid but you can't tell me that Shannon making serious speculations about Peaches and presenting them as a fact wasn't her being malicious). I kinda saw something coming is what I'm trying to say and while I didn't expect it to be this bad I can't say I'm surprised either, it's really sad.

[@picklep9812]

I agree

[@lavenderkoi4931]

Same

[@silentfriend369]

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