Nietzsche and the True World

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[@tomrhodes1629]

There is a "true world" (real world), but it still makes use of form and perceptions, and it is but a stepping stone to absolute Reality, which is beyond form. Hinduism is correct, in the aspects that you mention here. But orthodox Christianity has totally distorted the "Good News" of Jesus Christ. If you wish to go beyond theories, read my book "The Holy Grail is Found." (I have begun a KZbin lecture series that reveals the full Meaning of Life.) No brag; just fact. Truth is known to the few who desire Truth without prejudice....I don't receive KZbin comments notifications, but you can reach me through my website "contact" page.

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[@animegamernerdo]

I was thinking about nihilism after your lecture and thought to myself. Isn't it possible to be a nihilist and simply not care that there is no meaning in life? I mean, I don't feel better or worse about it at all. Maybe it's because I never believed in "heaven" in the first place. But knowing that whatever I do in life will mean nothing in the end is fine with me. I'm just gonna live my life the best I can, die and be done with it, no hard feelings. Or maybe I'm just missing something...

[@animegamernerdo]

No, I get what you mean. I said that because I chose not to live my life in a nihilistic manner. To me, understanding that nothing I do will mean anything in the big picture, was kinda like finding out that the girl you have a crush on, doesn't feel the same way. You discovered a truth, and carry on with live knowing that. Plus, my actions will still have consequences. Punching someone in the face, could end with me getting horribly beaten, not gonna actively put myself through that. I'll continue to live my life as I see fit, and just consume as much knowledge as I can. For me it's mostly about understanding.

[@CG0077]

Ahh but are the consequences meaningful? Sure you get beat up but in a few weeks/months youll be fine again, in 10 years youll barely remember it, your children will never even know. Life is temporal and thus inevitably futile and meaningless in the long run. Saying that, to a point I agree. Ive been reading a bit of Camus who speaks similarly. He essentially says we must acknowledge that life has no inherent meaning and rebel against the nihilism to triumphantly live a meaningful life anyway. We produce meaning by refusing to fall prey to nihilism, first of course to Camus you have to first acknowledge that life is meaningless or you are living a lie. Food for thought, youd probably enjoy his books.

[@sunstarethosa8878]

what's the reason?

[@kennethlerman5369]

from my understanding, the idea that there is no inherent meaning in life is usually what brings a sense of despair. However, nihilism and despair should be two separate things. It is our egos and our sociobiological need to find lasting happiness that sometimes conflicts with the idea of meaninglessness. It is the DESPAIR of man that should be surpassed, not nihilism itself. Nihilism is like a rifle: it is a tool that can be dangerous, but you can use it to hunt down truths, or you can turn it towards yourself. I would advocate the former choice, but doing so requires resolve and intellectual honesty, not self-delusion.

[@ilustrado7291]

Interesting thread. Knock Knock! Get the door, it's Nihilism! "Bro, life has no meaning." "Oh shit, what do I do now?" (1) Just continue to exist like a potato, until I decide to completely annihilate myself. (2) Create my own meaning in this life, even though I KNOW the grand scheme of life itself is pointless. As what I've learned from these AOI videos, human beings need meaning to survive, otherwise we inevitably succumb to depression, won't function at all and maybe ultimately kill ourselves. Or just do things, for the purpose of just doing it. Still has a purpose of existence: "to live my life the best I can", just no clear explanation why you're doing a pointless thing. An explanation is what your missing, perhaps? I don't know. Well, what I think doesn't matter. But you can read and give opinions if you want to, this is merely a story. Assuming we don't know Nihilism, there are 3 scenarios we can create (or latch into - if it is an existing idea like "religion") to give meaning to our suffering and eventual death. (1) After we die, there's heaven (or true world) with EVERLASTING HAPPINESS. Yay! Redemption at last. But nuh uh, there are rules you need to follow in this life: do good, shun evil, and obey (along with your mundane human suffering). That's it. That's your purpose (and some donation for the church piano too, you know we need music and shit). You are then willing to follow this, because WHY THE FUCK NOT? Eternal Happiness, baby. (2) After we die, there's LITERALLY NOTHING. We cease to exist. That's it. I can't explain it any further. Your miserable life just ends. Therefore, I will live my life the way I wanted to - I don't give a crap about anything. I will live it the "BEST WAY" I can. I want to experience as much happiness and comfort. Maybe play computer games most of the time, eat food I find delicious like Chicken McNuggets, live with my parents. Tap buttons and scrolling feeds. Instant Gratification. (3) After I die, I will live the life that I JUST LIVED, ONCE AGAIN... ON A LOOP... FOREVER... (Eternal Recurrence) Same experiences, same suffering, same happiness, same people you've met. Everything is the same. If that is the case, then what you realize BOOM! YOU HIT SOME IMAGINARY ROAD STOP! Maybe from now on, I'll live a very fulfilling life, exercise, diet, all those healthy living shit. Like the people on Instagram. Travel, #Blessed kinda life. An oh! Family and Friends! To be there for them, to love them so fucking much. That will be my purpose. Oh! What a wonderful life. Experiencing the now! Like how many people are living their lives, and SUPPOSED TO LIVE THEIR LIVES. To experience pure happiness most of the time. But REALITY CHECK! Life *IS* Suffering and Misery - and having a delusion of escapism will lead to guess what? MORE FUCKING SUFFERING. You can never escape the Demons within. So at this point, while you are reading this, will determine the rest of the loop. It's already predetermined, sure, you just don't know how it will turn out. BUT WHAT ARE YOU THINKING RIGHT NOW? ARE YOU FEELING IN CHARGE? What do you think the previous you thought of AT THIS VERY MOMENT? SO, WHAT THE FUCK DO I DO NOW? Should I shove a knife up my ass? Not yet. I'd rather turn this life into ART. A carefully designed symphony or painting - that will be culminated at my death. And maybe, will be playing and living for eternity. OH HELL YES! All these suffering and pain is part of my art - as with happiness and bliss. To set aside the poetic blah blahs, my body can be a canvas or perhaps other people's bodies? How I eat, how I take care of my body, the knowledge that I'll consume, the places that I'll explore, people that I will surround myself with, the skills that I want to learn, the concepts that I need to understand, my chosen audience - All contributes to the Ultimate Goal. The Realization of this Grand Art I call MY LIFE: MY LEGACY. Fuck Mediocrity, Fuck the Hive Mind. This is my design. I take as much control, as I can over anything and anyone. Plato, Pythagoras, Socrates, Allah, Buddha, Christ, Napoleon, Caesar, Cleopatra, Nietzsche, Einstein, Darwin, Ford, Carl Jung, Nikola Tesla, Adolf Hitler, Obama, Saddam Hussein, Bush, Bin Laden, Pablo Escobar, Luis Garavito, Donald Trump, Kim Jong Un, Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, and of course, the rest of the "successful" people in the world especially those who toiled silently through the monotony, boredom and suffering to realise their grand scheme anonymously. So what is your Grand Design?

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[@ralfrath699]

Nietzsche was Human, All Too Human!

[@imdeexpert5828]

No. He's not too human but rather an animal of nature

[@holypain8152]

He described the human as an animal, so I think he was both.

[@creatorchris712]

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[@acobflp]

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[@dosgamer000]

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[@goofywill90]

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[@GamesCooky]

So religion exists to give people the impression that life has meaning. This is very interesting

[@Marween]

Games Cooky that's what I'm seeing now that I'm listening to this lectures! Very interesting perspective.

[@ilustrado7291]

I'm genuinely happy for you, brothers.

[@TheHouseontheHill]

You should hear what George Carlin has to say about that haha

[@lanceuppercut2013]

philosophy exists for the same reason!

[@samvandervelden8243]

​@@lanceuppercut2013 obtaining value in life through strength and wisdom is much different than getting in from a delusion grounded in weakness

[@thinkneothink3055]

Nietzsche’s philosophy would be a lot different if he were alive today. In his days, it wasn’t unreasonable to believe there was hope for the human race. Today, it would be much more difficult.

[@Athanatoi]

If your ancestors were live under colonialism like mine and not the colonizer. They would definitely had more difficult life than today.

[@callummason6589]

It's time we made this world our true world and live lives worthy of any suffering.

[@schnoz2372]

Not as a group but individually.

[@noteem5726]

@@schnoz2372 or individually as a group

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[@DannySullivanMusic]

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[@ilustrado7291]

Knock Knock! Get the door, it's Nihilism! "Bro, life has no meaning." "Oh shit, what do I do now?" (1) Just continue to exist like a potato, until I decide to completely annihilate myself. (2) Create my own meaning in this life, even though I KNOW the grand scheme of life itself is pointless. As what I've learned from these AOI videos, human beings need meaning to survive, otherwise we inevitably succumb to depression, won't function at all and maybe ultimately kill ourselves. Or just do things, for the purpose of just doing it. Still has a purpose of existence: "to live my life the best I can", just no clear explanation why you're doing a pointless thing. Well, what I think doesn't matter. But you can read and give opinions if you want to, this is merely a story. Assuming we don't know Nihilism, there are 3 scenarios we can create (or latch into - if it is an existing idea like "religion") to give meaning to our suffering and eventual death. (1) After we die, there's heaven (or true world) with EVERLASTING HAPPINESS. Yay! Redemption at last. But nuh uh, there are rules you need to follow in this life: do good, shun evil, and obey (along with your mundane human suffering). That's it. That's your purpose (and some donation for the church piano too, you know we need music and shit). You are then willing to follow this, because WHY THE FUCK NOT? Eternal Happiness, baby. (2) After we die, there's LITERALLY NOTHING. We cease to exist. That's it. I can't explain it any further. Your miserable life just ends. Therefore, I will live my life the way I wanted to - I don't give a crap about anything. I will live it the "BEST WAY" I can. I want to experience as much happiness and comfort. Maybe play computer games most of the time, eat food I find delicious like Chicken McNuggets, live with my parents. Tap buttons and scrolling feeds. Instant Gratification. (3) After I die, I will live the life that I JUST LIVED, ONCE AGAIN... ON A LOOP... FOREVER... (Eternal Recurrence) Same experiences, same suffering, same happiness, same people you've met. Everything is the same. If that is the case, then what you realize BOOM! YOU HIT SOME IMAGINARY ROAD STOP! Maybe from now on, I'll live a very fulfilling life, exercise, diet, all those healthy living shit. Like the people on Instagram. Travel, #Blessed kinda life. An oh! Family and Friends! To be there for them, to love them so fucking much. That will be my purpose. Oh! What a wonderful life. Experiencing the now! Like how many people are living their lives, and SUPPOSED TO LIVE THEIR LIVES. To experience pure happiness most of the time. But REALITY CHECK! Life *IS* Suffering and Misery - and having a delusion of escapism will lead to guess what? MORE FUCKING SUFFERING. You can never escape the Demons within. So at this point, while you are reading this, will determine the rest of the loop. It's already predetermined, sure, you just don't know how it will turn out. BUT WHAT ARE YOU THINKING RIGHT NOW? ARE YOU FEELING IN CHARGE? What do you think the previous you thought of AT THIS VERY MOMENT? SO, WHAT THE FUCK DO I DO NOW? Should I shove a knife up my ass? Not yet. I'd rather turn this life into ART. A carefully designed symphony or painting - that will be culminated at my death. And maybe, will be playing and living for eternity. OH HELL YES! All these suffering and pain is part of my art - as with happiness and bliss. To set aside the poetic blah blahs, my body can be a canvas or perhaps other people's bodies? How I eat, how I take care of my body, the knowledge that I'll consume, the places that I'll explore, people that I will surround myself with, the skills that I want to learn, the concepts that I need to understand, my chosen audience - All contributes to the Ultimate Goal. The Realization of this Grand Art I call MY LIFE: MY LEGACY. Fuck Mediocrity, Fuck the Hive Mind. This is my design. I take as much control, as I can over anything and anyone. Plato, Pythagoras, Socrates, Allah, Buddha, Christ, Napoleon, Caesar, Cleopatra, Nietzsche, Einstein, Darwin, Ford, Carl Jung, Nikola Tesla, Adolf Hitler, Obama, Saddam Hussein, Bush, Bin Laden, Pablo Escobar, Luis Garavito, Donald Trump, Kim Jong Un, Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, and of course, the rest of the "successful" people in the world especially those who toiled silently through the monotony, boredom and suffering to realise their grand scheme anonymously. So what is your Grand Design?

[@pantsenfuego9986]

If one absolutely KNOWS the grand scheme of life is pointless, then one has made a knowledgeable point. Congrats, in that statement alone you conjured up meaning despite your professed knowledge.

[@ravendocto6840]

literally me

[@charityw1020]

This really kept my attention. Thanks for the great info 😊

[@ramphularved3785]

Salute mr Nietzsche for imparting ,giving and sharing these poignant philosophy of life .Thks sir.thks.

[@Athanatoi]

He won't hear or feel your thanks. He is long dead.

[@AbsoluteMonarchist]

His name is Robert Paulson. His name is Robert Paulson. His name is Robert Paulson.

[@wesleyuptown9751]

AbsoluteMonarchist only in deaths we have names?

[@schnoz2372]

Wesley Uptown Don’t ask questions about Project Mayhem.

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[@cybergetae5608]

"Just as an individual wave is identical with ocean it emerges from, an individual's true self is identical with the universal true self of which it is an expression of" Gawd Damn!

[@fyted3060]

Awesome man, appreciate your cause.

[@mattgilbert7347]

I blame Plato.

[@NUCLEARDASH]

Blame for what

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[@stevepruthvi7009]

i Love this pleasure of knowledge .

[@livondiramerian6999]

The true world is based on love, compassion, kindness, empathy, tolerance, forgiveness, justice, peace, health, safety, collaboration, beauty, courage, confidence, trust, honesty, naturalness, & universalism.

[@letshavefun5210]

And evil misery depression cold hearts just like the nature Winter Summer Fall

[@heilant777]

Love your channel. Thank you for the insight.

[@zaczourbang4454]

Mama. I don’t wanna die. Sometimes wish I’d never been born at all.

[@jordanapolis]

This teachings presented in this video seem to contradict the popular notion that Nietzsche was a depressing nihilist. Rather, it seems he was one who accepted the existence of meaninglessness and sought to combat it. Overall I have found this web series encouraging. Thank you for a wonderfully constructed video lecture!

[@Animal_Mother]

Jordan Ash, "the popular notion" is incorrect (as usual) he was a naturalist philosopher who wished to counter nihilism.

[@niceprincesslucky]

I’m obsessed with this series! ❤

[@Fireneedsair]

Much appreciate these lectures

[@c.galindo9639]

Very interesting input

[@thecoolfarhan1]

Loved this series. Is it possible that you provide the description or just the title of the artworks you use in your videos. They seem very enchanting to me and i would love to know more about them. Thanks

[@AM-nm6kn]

It would appear that the True world starts with death. If they believe its through death that we enter this True world (on the condition of purity and etc) how could this current world be dismissed as of lesser value simply because it ends with death? Here, there is a balance of both.

[@spaceginger7627]

oh look, I have depression now

[@lanceuppercut2013]

Space Ginger good story!

[@freedomworks3976]

Good stuff thank you !!!!

[@DeadEndFrog]

Why i agree with his analysis. Why the need for an ubermensch if not an delusion of grandure, both for himself and for the future.

[@PublicCommerce]

Do you think it would be accurate to say that at the core of Nietzsche's philosophy was the rejection of the idea of transcendence (of the world)? I was just thinking of how to describe his ideas to others. The problem with using the term "True World" I find is that people don't really have a feel for what it means and I'm wondering if there's a more accessible term.

[@ilustrado7291]

Brother, try explaining to them Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence. It's a more comprehendible mental exercise, to start with.

[@henkerr]

I thank you greatly for this content.

[@Mirrtamirrv]

Amazing video

[@notsoancientpelican]

Thank You

[@tylernewman6503]

The material productive forces of history are not static in Marx's theory. According to Marx, whenever those forces take on a concrete form, a mode of production takes hold. Material productive forces best thought of as an analytic category rather than a literal one.

[@Somniostatic]

Nietzsche knew what it was all about....

[@Mink0twink]

Great videos! Thanks

[@AbsoluteMonarchist]

His name is Robert Paulson.

[@sabacone]

If i were to ask anyone who they are they would most likely tell me their job title or profession before they tell me their name. so what does that say about man's purpose ? the apathetic feeling of Nihilism lowers as a sense of complacency rises. if finding a purpose in life is your only purpose then it isn't hard for one to think they found it

[@jacksonvalad8012]

It would be interesting of Nietzche and Kierkegaard couldve met and had a conversation!

[@MeYou-ut4kr]

The brahmen sounds similar to the toaist Chinese philosophy where all are connected as one. Or for those who love star wars it's the philosophy that was used for the jedi

[@esgandeotavio9987]

By thinking life has no meaning, aren’t we falling into the same supposed "mistake" as True world believers do? We are so small and clueless to all, that we can’t even say that life has no meaning... Asserting that life means nothing, is the same as asserting life has a meaning, it’s talking about something, that we, in our insignificance, will never know.

[@Ma-yb9zt]

Thats why our best years we should spend with "the one" !

[@virvisquevir3320]

Obviously, each one of us is dependant on an environment - if we care to stay alive. A fetus declaring its independence from the womb is the height of foolishness. The central question is: where does "care" come from? Why do we care at all? Why do we care to stay alive? Where does aspiration come from? But, OK, given this mysterious care to stay alive and aspiration to improve life, we interact with an environment that allows us to stay alive and to improve life. Great progress has been made to improve life, especially over the last century and a half, in terns of technology - electricity, modern farming, modern manufacturing, modern medicine, literacy, the internet, etc., mainly a Western Civilization phenomenon spread to the rest of the world. What more can we come up with? We don't know, otherwise we would have done it already. What decides if any of out ideas are good or not? The environment. What are the limits of human ingenuity and what will work in the environment? We don't know. We are in the process of finding out. But whatever it is, that is the "true world". What works exposes the "true world". Whatever works IS the "true world". Works towards what? Staying alive? Improving life? Keeping the family together? Keeping society together? Guaranteeing freedom? Guaranteeing safety? Domination over others? Health? Happiness? Expanding space to grow? What potential is there? For the mind? For what will work in the environment? It's an open question. It's not nailed down. The "true world" is a process, it's not a place. And we are all in this process, the great human adventure. What will the world let us get away with? What will the world let us achieve? I would differentiate between an "ideal world" - "wouldn't it be nice if... ", a hope, an aspiration - and a "true world" that says "yes" or "no" or "maybe" or 'somewhat" or "almost getting there, try again, tweak the variables", to our hopes and aspirations. But we can only find out what's possible by asking questions. By trying. By testing. We can only get acquainted with the "real world" by positing an "ideal world". The "ideal world" comes first and in the process of working towards it, the "real world" is more and more exposed. The "real world" - at least the one we are aware of - is a reflection of the "ideal world" - you cannot separate them. So, keep dreaming, keep striving, keep trying - keep asking questions. The answer is a reflection of the question. The question comes first. All science does is create provisional models for the purpose of prediction and control - as soon as a better model comes along, the old models are set aside. We never get to a final, exclusive, complete "truth". "Truth" is just an abstraction, a metaphor, the word "truth" has the same etymology as the word "tree", something solid, dependable and useful. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIqpdmaqjrqXgLc It's all a work in progress. A glorious becoming. A Darwinian selection. A heavenly grace. A joy.

[@martinwarner1178]

lovely comment, i was thinking something, more simply put, but similar, whilst drinking beer on the garden. Thank you, you have made my thoughts into something exquisite.

[@virvisquevir3320]

martin warner - Thank you, Martin. Whatever works. What do you want achieve? Enjoy your beer! Cheers!

[@user-yk9sk7pg6v]

Thanks !

[@ellenravelli6254]

That's why we fully take care of the next generation. ...into the true world. We ought not discard it in any way.....human not animal kingdom and possibly a true world

[@Beiskraft]

Some people in the comments just stumbled upon this. Cool! I should think that there are also people who wrestle with these things for many years. Amor Fati.

[@xRockycherrYx]

Interesting, the reason why I need a true world is that I need peace (maybe not absolute peace, but at least way less conflict). I don't need a meaning or self-esteem, I need a world where noone needs a meaning or self-esteem. Where everyone is just nice (not absolutely nice, but way nicer) and happy (not absolutely happy, but way happier). (Sadly, I don't believe in a true world, but I believe there should be one........................like, instead of the one we live on.)

[@dariscar5218]

xRockycherrYx Times change and the universe has secrets that may not be discovered for millions of years. It may be millions more before we journey outside of the universe. But our future is what we make of it. Our bones will be the building blocks for each future generation. Live your life the way you want the world to be and lay your bones straight.

[@xRockycherrYx]

That's beautiful. I wish I was strong enough to do that.

[@mrgruffy4499]

"There are some here who think that life is but a joke"--Jimi Hendrix. Life is not a joke, just the pointlessness of human life. I'm a Nihilist. Show me where I'm wrong. Are we condemned to nothing but recurring incarnations? Isn't True World just wishful thinking, or an illusion? "The purpose of this Earthly existence is to liberate one's soul from the confines of the body, and have it return to the reality of Forms."--Plato How does one do that? The memories from prior incarnations were erased. So we must start from zero, and endure the same old BS. How could some theories grant meaning to our existence? Nihilism rules!

[@youngbloodsthename]

That aint nihlism, youre just asking questions, dont expect an answer, you make one for yourself and live with it, or do what you do

[@charlesdahmital8095]

Strive for Self necessity over self esteem.

[@justincanter8037]

What if the basic desire is to return to an animal state? I’m not sure what’s wrong with that desire

[@letshavefun5210]

There's nothing wrong with it

[@nathanielcampos4152]

Ive been listening and reading to this stuff and..its almost scary like; damn.... ive had these feelings since i was a kid. Like kindergarten/early grade school. Then feelings became thoughts. This description is whats been in my head even if just in the back...im 29 now, i read the myth of sysphus, ive had an absurd mind all my life.

[@maximvandaele4825]

The true meaning of life could be to bring as much of the True World into the 'Domain of Lower Value', to make that Domain as much of a True World as possible (regardless of whether any True World theory is true). Super interesting philosophy video in any case

[@andrewbowen2837]

That's the project of modernism, to make heaven on earth

[@skubinski]

“Ve believe in nothing Lebowski!” “Yeah, nothing!”

[@Athanatoi]

The idea of Plato about the afterlife is often seen as imitating in many respect some of the ideas of Moses and the Torah. Most prominently in regards of ideas of afterlife.

[@billzepp69]

These videos are awesome. Life does have a purpose but meaning is a maybe unless it’s purpose gives it a meaning like a hammer. The first two seem like two parts of a single theory. The duality of reality to spirit... Reality holds forms Spirit holds their will. When does a rock not act like a rock? When it losses it’s will to be a rock lol

[@seenogodspeaknogodhearnogo4531]

Very good.

[@dragma907]

Is the desire to attain self-knowledge and evolve in that way it's own two world theory? This world of dumb suffering I occupy from my own faults is the deception, my true self is yet to be and my purpose in this suffering is to gain entry to that personhood. Could the two world theory simply be an archetype of human thought?

[@dragma907]

Just got to the 7:30 mark, glad to see that was addressed.

[@Game7Mode]

True worlders make the biggest possible unverifiable claim about reality, yet, those with a propensity for such pulsating bouts of stupidity and feeble grasping are least equipped for the role of the highest judge our fleshy mess can spew.

[@bananabongo9568]

David C true worlders

[@NikolaiKojevnikov]

What's the source of the art piece at 1:50 ?

[@rufuskeller7266]

Hieronymus Bosch (c. 1450 - 1516) Dutch painter / "Ascent of the Blessed"

[@sanz7820]

There has to be a 3rd option. 3) To be a nihilist, but do what you can to create a real and positive change in THIS world, hence reducing suffering, making nihilism easier to live with. Both options (1) to either lose all sense of hope/motivation and (2) to create a fantasy world in your head are extremely damaging to our actual world and only serve to increase the suffering. I see too many people justifying bad things by religion. For example, it is scientifically proven that the consumption/production of animal products is one of the biggest contributors to climate change, but a large number of Christians would justify this with "But God said that they are there for us to eat" and that's that. (I know this because I have a religious friend who says this..) And there are many, many other examples, both in regards to consumption and general behavior in the world/towards others where religious convictions just fuck everything up. They live so much for their supposed fantasy world that they forget to do good in this world. I find it extremely ironic that so much of suffering in the world is caused by us humans. We have the ability to live long, healthy, happy lives, but our life choices and the general, unhealthy way that the world is set up is causing way more suffering than is necessary. True, you could always get sick. But if you live a healthy life, odds are that you'll do pretty good. And there are VERY sick people in the world who still manage to keep their heads high. Fear of suffering is not justified - grow up. Shit happens. I'm a nihilist, but I believe that "meaning" can be found only through personal experience. By this I mean that we should strive to reduce suffering - both for us, other species and our planet. The most good you can do is to be kind to everyone, help everywhere you can - reducing their suffering. THAT is the only real meaning there is - to work to make everyone's experience of life as good as possible. This would greatly reduce all suffering - it IS possible to live a good life on this planet, just not with how the world is today. But we created this, and we can create something better - butwe have to actuallt focus on THIS world.

[@ningate8024]

nah cause you're purpose is changing the world for the better

[@DraconianPolicy]

Your 3rd option is not nihilism.

[@ilustrado7291]

In the distant past, a random guy invents language and evolved into what we know today and thinks "this will fuck shit up in the future.. hue hue..".

[@88Sith88]

In my opinion, seeing True World as the domain of higher value is false. A life full of suffering (as it is normally viewed) would be the domain of lower value, a life full of pleasure would be the domain of higher value. True world, however, would be the place in which both of these occur.

[@karaquick395]

We must not forget we are Not Human beings having a spiritual experience, we are Spiritual beings having a Human one.

[@someguyIvan]

why must nihilism be connected to pesimisam;?does the world without meaning loses his beauty?

[@noteem5726]

No, but a man without meaning can lose his way. And what is beauty in a universe of nothingness but simple nostalgia for a world that no longer exists.

[@someguyIvan]

@@noteem5726 well we are obligated to grow up one day so it may as well be this day,...sure there is nostalgia,it would be unnatural not to be in love with such romance like everlasting good and plaeasure,but the bleakest truth is allways better than a perfect lie,isnt it?

[@noteem5726]

@@someguyIvan The entirely depends on your definition of *truth* and honestly just saying that as an absolute without quantifying it is very telling that you have yet to "grow up"

[@someguyIvan]

@@noteem5726 allthough your answer is unclear,and your point seems to be hiding behind the will to sound and be smart,even to that degree where you see a question as an absolutistic statement,i must say you are right...are you truly insightfull or you just got lucky i dont know,but yes that is the truth,i must do some growing up,i must mature

[@noteem5726]

@@someguyIvan Haha, let's just call it a bit of both. Ok let's see if we can get you on the right path then. When someone sees a need for nihilism it's usually because they've realized that the societal construct that they've been raised in has somehow been shattered. Due to the nihilist having come to the realization that there are contradictory beliefs that the society rejects that is equally or more true than the ones they espouse or it has merely collapsed under the weight of its own falsehoods. Am I right so far?

[@RegnaSaturna]

The idea is to enter the true world BEFORE you die, using the will to power. Now here's a challenge.

[@Existentialist-earthling52]

Once you accept that this world is it, you see things you wouldn't have seen otherwise.

[@thevoiceofthelost]

Ah shit, i always thought of myself as a Nihilistic Communist, but it seems those two concepts are a bit contradictory? Is it still contradictory if i realize that even if existence in a Communist esque society would be better, it'd still be equally as meaningless? For me, the only reason for bettering the world in any way is because there is no meaning, so since we're all trapped here in this reality, it just logically makes sense for me to want to trim the fat of existence and at least make it less of a chore. But in my mind, a communist utopia and a capitalist distopia will both move along the path to eventual oblivion, and both will be wiped from the face of the universe before the far future, where the universe itself is wiped clean. But hey, if the ship is going down, we may as well make our time on it more pleasant right? Does that still make me a Nihilistic Communist?

[@happierabroad]

Nietzsche doesn't take a lot of things into account. For example, we can see INTELLIGENT DESIGN everywhere, in nature and especially in our human bodies. Open any human anatomy or biology textbook and you can see this. Intelligent design everywhere disproves Nihilism and proves that everything happens for a reason and purpose, whether you can see it or not. There are higher levels of order that we can't see. Look up the lectures of Dr. Stephen Meyer, the top expert on intelligent design. He totally whips atheists and makes them run away like cowards because they aren't refute his intelligent design arguments which are solid and airtight and irrefutable. Atheism is the weakest and worst belief system with no value and no truth and goes against all the evidence too.

[@annibhardwaj6914]

Sir, I think there is a slight error. When you describe the true world theory wrt to Hinduism, rather than calling it monism, you should called it by the true name which is Advaita (non dual, transcending both gross and subtle). Monism can be conflated with Abrahamic religions and the meaning thus is lost. What are your views on this?

[@diegonayalazo]

Thanks

[@fellsmoke]

Reincarnation is real if you understand and appreciate the beginning...yours and every other...you woke up crying...in life...and were given enough to survive...the difference between us is also a result of the form and quality of sustaining care you received... environment and genetics all also play a part...what emerged is us...me you...you might as well be me...or I you

[@djayjp]

11:40 An unchanging true world... oh you mean death.

[@dazaalexandra518]

WATCHING THIS MAKES ME FREE FROM RELIGION. NOW I FEEL LIGHTER

[@cheemsoftheocean7569]

I personally think we are already living in a Temporal True World in which the whole history of philosophy fits in a device the size of one's hand.

[@MGHOoL5]

Where did you get the Hindu quote: "Men call it by many names, but the sages know it is one." ? I only found: "Truth is one, the wise call it by many names." Which is the opposite of what you quoted.

[@Ma-yb9zt]

Journey toward grave

[@nihilisticoccultist8524]

Everyone guards their pleasure from suffering.

[@siyaindagulag.]

Interesting. The use of Neitzsche's earlier work to illustrate the topic. Ok. Next. Seems I have some catching up to do.

[@Harshpenny]

Stoicism contains a true world theory?

[@kaltronkrasniqi1568]

lmao, i literally got shown an a AD for the bible in the beginning of this video

[@azerazam]

amen to the theory that life is alive

[@BladeEffect]

Carl Gustav Jung and Jospeph Campbell didn't see two world theories in such a negative light as Nietzsche even though both of these thinkers admired him. Jung and Campbell often explain two world theories as a symbolic expression of division between consciousness and the unconscious. Therefore, they saw two world theories as quite positive, because by having a relationship with a "true world" we actually set a relationship with ourselves, with the deepest layers of our soul and gain access to it's potencial. That's why two world theories were such an effective tool to deal with nihilism in the first place.

[@fellsmoke]

Turn lower domain into ever greater higher domain in this earthly reality...bring the shadow called "higher domain" to light...in life...

[@TheAhmedMAhmed]

great lecture, thanks! It makes me wonder what if there was a true world? Of course, if the idea itself is shown to rise from psychological necessity, then a true world is very unlikely to exist. too bad?

[@academyofideas]

+Ahmed Medhat Thanks! Nietzsche addressed that very idea. A true world could exist, but our cognitive apparatus would be unable to grasp anything about it, therefore according to Nietzsche it would be a thing with "negative qualities" "For there is nothing at all we could state about the metaphysical world except its differentness, a differentness inaccessible and incomprehensible to us. It would be a thing with negative qualities. No matter how well proven the existence of such a world might be, it would still hold true that the knowledge of it would be the most inconsequential of all knowledge, even more inconsequential than the knowledge of the chemical analysis of water must be to the boatman facing a storm."(Human, all too Human)

[@TheAhmedMAhmed]

+Academy of Ideas I am a big fan your channel. After watching this lecture, I also watched the one on 'God is dead' where you talked about this in more detail. Incidently, I also thought that purpose or meaning rarely comes to mind as we go about our daily lives; hence, there is a lack of consequences in knowing whether they exist. Anyway, thanks again for these wonderful lectures. Where I live, it is illegal (i.e. punishable by death o_o) to "believe" in philosophies such as these which is why we have no philosophy departments in any universities. But I am absolutely in love with the subject. So, thank you for making these lectures. Perhaps, you could turn them into a MOOC if you are interested and if it is possible.

[@smaugthedragon975]

+Ahmed Medhat ok I have a fourth kind of true world. Its just like this one, changing and turning, and sometimes you get annoyed or hurt, but if you did good and avoided evil in this earthly life, your pains would be less severe and shorter in duration. But there would still be some pain and suffering, only not as bad as earth. And you live forevr. What do you think of the idea? Lets call it the Nayzakean True World.

[@ilustrado7291]

That's the concept of Reincarnation in Hinduism and Buddhism (somewhat closer) . The Idea of Karma. That's why whenever you're interested in a subject, you have to dive in deeper... Read more books, Watch more educational videos. Way deeper that you question your own ideas.

[@virvisquevir3320]

Ahmed Medhat - I am sorry that you live in a place where it is illegal to question, wonder, speculate, experiment, try. I hope you are liberated soon. Good luck to you! Let me share with you my two cents in a nutshell on this vast topic: Obviously, each one of us is dependant on an environment - if we care to stay alive. A fetus declaring its independence from the womb is the height of foolishness. The central question is: where does "care" come from? Why do we care at all? Why do we care to stay alive? Where does aspiration come from? But, OK, given this mysterious care to stay alive and aspiration to improve life, we interact with an environment that allows us to stay alive and to improve life. Great progress has been made to improve life, especially over the last century and a half, in terns of technology - electricity, modern farming, modern manufacturing, modern medicine, literacy, the internet, etc., mainly a Western Civilization phenomenon spread to the rest of the world. What more can we come up with? We don't know, otherwise we would have done it already. What decides if any of out ideas are good or not? The environment. What are the limits of human ingenuity and what will work in the environment? We don't know. We are in the process of finding out. But whatever it is, that is the "true world". What works exposes the "true world". Whatever works IS the "true world". Works towards what? Staying alive? Improving life? Keeping the family together? Keeping society together? Guaranteeing freedom? Guaranteeing safety? Domination over others? Health? Happiness? Expanding space to grow? What potential is there? For the mind? For what will work in the environment? It's an open question. It's not nailed down. The "true world" is a process, it's not a place. And we are all in this process, the great human adventure. What will the world let us get away with? What will the world let us achieve? I would differentiate between an "ideal world" - "wouldn't it be nice if... ", a hope, an aspiration - and a "true world" that says "yes" or "no" or "maybe" or 'somewhat" or "almost getting there, try again, tweak the variables", to our hopes and aspirations. But we can only find out what's possible by asking questions. By trying. By testing. We can only get acquainted with the "real world" by imposing an "ideal world". The "ideal world" comes first and in the process of working towards it, the "real world" is more and more exposed. The "real world" - at least the one we are aware of - is a reflection of the "ideal world" - you cannot separate them. So, keep dreaming, keep striving, keep trying - keep asking questions. The answer is a reflection of the question. The question comes first. All science does is create provisional models for the purpose of prediction and control - as soon as a better model comes along, the old models are set aside. We never get to a final, exclusive, complete "truth". "Truth" is just an abstraction, a metaphor, the word "truth" has the same etymology as the word "tree", something solid, dependable and useful. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIqpdmaqjrqXgLc It's all a work in progress. A glorious becoming. A Darwinian selection. A heavenly grace. A joy.

[@fellsmoke]

The so-called true world is still...perfect... unchanging...if it were to be...you would go from a constant changing evolving life into a common permanent statue or photograph...

[@wbx9126]

how can there be a true world when the meaning of truth and the world are negated?

[@siyaindagulag.]

Now apply temporal true world theory toward an individual level of analysis, (Yes, complete with suffering )body as centre. Monistic towards Mind. Then ascetic flavoured external with the spirit. When tired of this dance;, interchange application with aspect ( of self ) and just keep weaving that tapestry of life. (Though beware lest it revert to a nihilistic basket ) ha ha !

[@djayjp]

I don't follow the supposed connection made between subjective emotional state and objective life meaning.

[@mrboobiesrider9212]

Do you think meaning can be objective?

[@djayjp]

@@mrboobiesrider9212 I was referring to the section where he linked poor emotional state with nihilism; they should not be related. But yes meaning is objective; you'll have to wait for my book I'm afraid.

[@pabloneruda9024]

Nietzsche, however genius, misundrstadood Schopenhauer's whole point on Suffering and Nihilism, which is based on Buddhism philosophy... like most western minds, Nietzsche simply could not understand the concept of Shunyata, and was actually completely frightened by it, just like the western mind is frightened as shit by the idea of nothing... what every philosophy has tried since Plato, with few exceptions, is to replace the mythical religious bulshiit of 'something rather than nothing' with some purpose to negate nihilism. In sum, even great minds like Nietzsche can be frightened by the possibility of nothingness and the meaninglessness of being.

[@bananabongo9568]

Pablo Neruda You're claiming a lot of stuff which you have no evidence for man. Don't lie to yourself and follow your own reality. Don't tell what you know not to be true

[@oneatpeace5450]

But that's not what Shunyta actually means. Shunyata is not the meaninglessness of being, nor mere nothingness. It's Emptiness, or described as the Essence, and the way it's described, it's basically the root for everything. The 5 skandhas are empty of self-essence. They are not self, nor should they be regarded as self. This is what is meant by Emptiness. But, that does not mean emptiness as it is commonly known, devoid of everything. Rather, Shunyata is devoid of these 5 skandhas. Check out the Heart Sutra to see what Avalokiteshvara said to Shariputra, and also some of Hsu Yun's teachings.

[@Game7Mode]

There is no ideal in ascetism there is just pain, and often suffering.

[@InnerPeaceFoundation]

Ongoing happiness is attainable.. It is inward alone... The universes within revealed.. The not being able to find happiness is the view of one that only knows mind and an ignorance as the mind is the very device causing the unhappiness and the same device pontificating there is no respite. It's a trap. The very few know this and historically, in the West hid their seeing to avoid herd persecution and often death. Do not believe ongoing happiness is not attainable it's only true from mind view. The gaoler.

[@scottkraft1062]

The ego is in full control only a few will escape

[@ralphricart3177]

Here are some samples of the true world: Jesus is the sun, all knowledge comes from Ireland and we live in a concave Earth.

[@junkscience6397]

I worry about your continual use of the posthumous stich-up job "The Will To Power," which was pliced together from notebook fragments into a "book" by his sister long after Nietsche's descent into madness and inertia. I would be embarrassed if you were to take the half-baked ideas in my many notebooks and try to peddle it as my "interpretation" of this or that, as I'm quite sure Nietzsche would be if he knew about it, too! Anyway, you did this years ago, but still: BUYER BEWARE: "The Will To Power" is a non-official after-the-fact work which should definitely NOT be taken as representing Nietzsche's finished ideas!

[@snoozeking7497]

Is this lecturer Canadian?