ACC Spotlight: Are UVA's and VA Tech's Futures Tied? Conference Realignment | Cavaliers | Hokies

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

Which conference should both UVA and VT end up in?

[@theohiopodcast]

My prediction is UVA to the SEC and VT to the Big XII. Personally, I'd love to see VT in the Big Ten, but I just don't see that happening.

[@WeSRT4]

Virginia Tech and Virginia to the Big Ten.

[@encycl07pedia-]

One gets left behind, if not both. And by left behind, I mean Big 12, ACC, or worse. VT is old news. UVA is older news. VT has a stadium fanbase, but that's it. Nationwide, nobody cares about either of them. Nobody.

[@JohnLin-db3ci]

I don't see both getting in the same P2 conference, I would be surprised if either get's into a P2 conference in the next round of realignment. So my official answer is the ACC.

[@SuperWarJam]

@@encycl07pedia-There is def a state of Virginia bubble in this conversation here and they need to consider the big picture and the other teams competing to get into these two conferences - not what school would be the best fit for where. Theses conferences are only going to take so many teams, and currently the Big10/SEC would rather have FSU, Clemson, ND, UNC, Miami, and even a school like Utah, over VT or UVA. Is there going to be room left? Of course nobody wants to say they are a good fit for the Big12 - but at least one of these teams are headed there. VT to Big12 likely and UVA to Big10 at a significantly reduced share bc they really bring zero football value.

[@theohiopodcast]

Seeing that College Huddle logo in the corner is a beautiful thing! Collaborations like this are awesome! Congratulations everyone.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

Thanks for making the College Huddle happen!

[@chrisbooth3417]

I've heard speculation on that also. But just curious what in the SEC's eyes would make UVA a must have and Tech a tagalong. Because if you go by fan support and football head to head record, it's not Trch who's the little brother.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

UVA over Tech to the SEC doesn't make sense to me, unless it helps land UNC.

[@warrengque]

IMO the "tag along" moniker that's bestowed upon VaTech has more to do with earnings and not exclusively about football. Believe it or not UVA makes a LOT of money off athletics. In terms of overall revenue, they're ranked 14th nationally, just ahead of FSU. Va Tech is ranked 40th. In addition, UVA is the 2nd richest public school with a $9.8B endowment and are strong in BBall and Olympic sports. UVA has had some good years in football in the past, but has fallen off over the last 10-15, though they've made a few splashes here and there by getting ranked over that period, but nothing consistent. Overall I think both the NC and VA schools are prime targets for both conferences. These podcasters and pundits clearly don't understand VA nor the DC/MD/VA (DMV which only comprises the suburbs of DC) television markets based on some of the things I've read and watched. Make no mistake, VaTech runs the state for football, and enjoys a greater viewership across the state. In additon, living in MD, I can tell you the same holds true in in the DMV market as well. I would contend VaTech has a huge viewership in the Baltimore market as well (fyi...Baltimore is not part of the DMV) becuase VaTech recruits DC, MD and Baltimore well (Think Fuller Brothers). Between, VA and MD and DC you have close to 19M people so If football viewership is what's important, Va Tech moves that needle. Not to mention there's a huge VaTech fan base in Charlotte because its only 2 hrs away and there's a huge alumni base there.

[@wally8787]

Check your SPAM. You missed an email. The B1G presidents require that any expansion deal be "additive." UVA/VT or UVA/UNC don't come close to clearing that financial hurdle. If I had to guess, I would guess that UVA and UNC end up in the SEC.

[@frankpotter5936]

So your point is that the SEC doesn't care about football?

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

True, and I think these schools could be, especially if they join on a discount like UW and UO. They bring very desirable markets, which matters.

[@robertgibbs6480]

Neither unc nor uva are FB schools, have FB fanbases, like VaTech and NCSU. If this is all about $, and fb moves the needle, why would se.

[@terryfox9344]

Wow! I am surprised. No, I am shocked. I lived in Virginia for almost 3 years. I always knew that Virginians thought highly of themselves. But wow! Before this, I didn't think Virginians were delusional. Hell, they're right up there with the FSU people, and I never thought I would ever say that.

[@SuperWarJam]

Spotted the low level SEC fan here. Arkansas, South Carolina, MissSt?

[@TheOracleOfYouTube]

I thought the same thing after watching. I was thinking maybe UVA could get in the power 2, but damn they had the Power 2 even taking Louisville. Thats delusional or scared.

[@frankpotter5936]

Virginia Tech makes sense for the SEC since the SEC has no market in DC and no one there cares about UVa football. UVa is the best Women's Tiddlywinks school but VT has won 18 of the past 19 against them in football - literally the most lopsided rivalry in all of sports. Choosing UVA over VT says a lot about the chooser.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

I was surprised they all said they want to go to the Big 10, because the SEC feels like the obvious fit for them.

[@WilliamBush-bg7ei]

Virginia tech athletic department is completely atrocious and bad. They don’t have great academics. Yes uva football isn’t good but they are great in 10 other sports but Va tech is a mid to good team with nothing else but that. I mean their one of what 2 P5 schools without a natty is a big representation of that. Yes the rivalry is lopsided in football but uva outperformed in so many other sport it doesn’t really matter. Uva makes the most revenue in sports in the acc, they are the AAU, consistently ranked a top 5 athletic program, plus DC markets. A conference like b10 and sec isn’t going to decide who’s joining off a football rivalry record.

[@frankpotter5936]

@@WilliamBush-bg7ei I'm sorry you're so poorly informed. Let me help you out a bit. Virginia Tech ranks above William and Mary and many other good schools and would be the highest ranked university in more than half of the states. Virginia Tech is ranked above 7 Big10 schools, including Penn State, and there are only 2 current SEC schools ranked higher than VT. But I see you struggle with English. I'll be kind and leave it at that. UVa has the lowest performing football team in the ACC over the past 20 years - LAST PLACE. No one wants another Vandy and UVA's fans are famously insufferable. To say football doesn't matter is to be completely and utterly ignorant of conference realignment and certainly speaks to why the SEC will have no interest in UVa.

[@WilliamBush-bg7ei]

@@frankpotter5936 ok…… 😀

[@Untouchablesteppa]

B1G here 🤟🏾 we want FSU and Clemson… everyone else nice knowing yah

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

Sounds like if that's who the B1G wants, they'll get them.

[@frankpotter5936]

Virginia Tech is ranked above 7 Big-10 schools academically (US NEWS). The idea that it isn't a good enough school is a joke. Also, Clemson and Florida State are not AAU schools and they are both commonly rumored to the Big-10 while both rank below Virginia Tech academically.

[@Humble_7_7]

Nobody is playing school for billions of dollars!

[@frankpotter5936]

@@Humble_7_7 Please have someone translate this for me. It makes no sense in English.

[@encycl07pedia-]

@@frankpotter5936 Conference realignment isn't tied to academics. The "play school" is a reference to a Cardale Jones quote. But I know you couldn't figure that out without a helping hand.

[@frankpotter5936]

@@encycl07pedia- You're right. I don't know many Cardale Jones quotes. LOL. But academics do matter to some conferences. Of course, not the Big 12. Why do you think the ACC added Stanford and Cal?

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

AAU is not a requirement. And we all know football drives realignment. But I do think the Big 10 has certain academic profiles they look for. VT is a really good school and do research as well. But UVA is elite academically. I guess we'll see what matters more to the Big 10.

[@elliotthoward4738]

If UVA and VT fates are tied it will be tied to the Big 12 or big east

[@WeSRT4]

Yep, if these state officials want to hamstring the larger program, that's on them. NEITHER Virginia or North Carolina are that attractive in my honest opinion. If it was my decision Virginia doesn't make the list at all!

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

It's so hard to tell what will happen, because there are so many good reasons to either take or not take any of these schools, but they're different for each school. So who the conferences choose will be very telling.

[@robertgibbs6480]

Ncsu and unc lock together is not only legislature, but also unc system BoG. Appear that VaTech uva lock is dependent on one man.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

I need to dig deeper into exactly how it works in VA, but it does seem less Iron clad than in NC.

[@robertsanders6858]

Well, acording to the Virginia Attorney General the two schools are tied togeather. Likewise UNC and NC State are connected according to the state's government. Duke, Stanford, Cal and SMU dont want out, Wake, Syracuse and BC have no place to go. In reality the only schools really likely to go anywhere are Louisiville & Pitt MAY join the Big XII (but money-wise thats a lateral move so maybe not), Miami, Georgia Tech and Clemson are the most likely. I dont even consider FSU an ACC school any longer.And, Notre Dame will stay as long as they get their sweetheart deal. The ACC will remain viable, all they will probably do is lose maybe 5 members [if that many] and just replace them with schools like South Florida, UConn, Memphis, Boise State and Temple. Or maybe see if Oregon State & Washington State would slide in after reforming the PAC....there are options. The membership may change a bit but the ACC isnt going anywhere because ESPN & Notre Dame want it around. And, no other conference wants two "linked" schools except maybe the PAC & the Big XII and those two leagues are as desperate as you can get.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

I like this take. It would be a win for keeping more traditional and regional conferences together.

[@jeffreywhitlock4882]

It is a challenging situation for Tech and UVA. On the surface, Virgina looks like a fit for the B1G and Tech looks like a good fit for the SEC. I doubt that happens though, because B1G already has the DMV market with Maryland and the SEC would probably prefer UVA as the flagship university of the state (no knock on Tech, it is a great school) to get into a new market, but would be unlikely to take both, even though Tech has more attendance at games more viewers on TV and more of a winning tradition. The best bet is to probably separate the teams in terms of Conferences, UVA to the SEC or B1G and Tech to the Big 12. UVA does not have the pull to bring Tech with them to either conference.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

I agree with you that it'll be in their best interest to let them separate, but I think VT makes more sense for the SEC for the reasons you said. They have a much better football brand. I don't see how being a flagship university is worth more than the thing driving realignment.

[@deantaylor6919]

@@saturdayswarriorbyu A flagship University does mean more, the SEC will not pick second in both states, Virginia and North Carolina they will not play second fiddle they are get at least one flagship in my opinion.

[@TheOracleOfYouTube]

@@deantaylor6919 Agreed. The people in that video are some dumbass dudes. VT to SEC? Not going to happen.

[@robertgibbs6480]

Strong rumor never verified that ncsu flipped its vote for Stanford and Cal, to gain Stanford Academic support for NCState AAU membership.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

Interesting. I hadn't heard that rumor. Never could figure out their motivation on that.

[@RobertG1234]

If the two VA schools are tied to hip then both are in trouble. I don't see P2 expanding by for than 2 each without ND. FSU/Clemson and UNC and NC State will get those spots. B12 will want Duke, UM, L-ville and Pitt more

[@basedjiren3889]

UNC isn't valuable enough for the P2 to take them AND NC State. If them and UVA and VA Tech are tied at the hip, they will all miss out

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

I think if VT will have strong interest from the Big 12. But I also don't see a P2 taking both VA schools unless maybe if they're growing really big.

[@thegravy42]

Clemson and FSU have landed spots already. The other schools better get the horn and find a spot

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

You'd think so for all the trouble they're taking to get out. It would be a huge gamble otherwise.

[@thegravy42]

Clemson was top 10 in the country in viewership even in a down year. They are getting in somewhere

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

The list I see has them at 19th in 2023, but that's still really impressive.

[@Size-11]

I understand that you guys may want Virginia Tech to go to as to the SEC, but the SEC is not interested in Virginia Tech more so Virginia Tech have been known to end up with an invite from the big 12

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

The SEC considered VT in the past. What makes you think they aren't interested?

[@darrellunderwood1021]

Wvu and V.tech to the Sec ...Gets both states and what a rivalry !!!!

[@Size-11]

@@saturdayswarriorbyu I am looking at this from a practical standpoint however many years have passed with this theory, but nothing has happened for us action. The SEC had multiple times to implement this theory that you mentioned, but still teams like Missouri Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Texas, so on and so forth has been put to action not to mention the SEC considers Virginia Tech as a third tier program, I don’t see how they skip over North Carolina Clemson and so forth all right Leah y’all time to go

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

Where does it say they see them as a third tier program? Granted right now they are pretty bad, but traditionally they've been solid. Plus it's a market they'd surely like to get into.

[@SuperWarJam]

There is def a state of Virginia bubble in this conversation here and they need to consider the big picture and the other teams competing to get into these two conferences - not what school would be the best fit for where. Theses conferences are only going to take so many teams, and currently the Big10/SEC would rather have FSU, Clemson, ND, UNC, Miami, and even a school like Utah, over VT or UVA. Is there going to be room left? Of course nobody wants to say they are a good fit for the Big12 - but at least one of these teams are headed there. VT to Big12 likely and UVA to Big10 at a significantly reduced share bc they really bring zero football value

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

Yes, you have to look at the big picture. I see range of scenarios from where both get into the P2 to neither of them get in.

[@jonboxleitner7354]

Question for UVa people. If UNC would go to the SEC would you go with them? Or, assuming you had an invite to both, would you go to the B1G? The reason why I ask is I've heard that that is where UNC is headed.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

Great question I wish I thought of. I'll see if I can't get them to get on here to answer.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

They say Big 10. Not what I expected.

[@WilliamBush-bg7ei]

Nope we going north. 😂

[@Size-11]

The super conferences is over the Big Ten and the SEC pay grade. They do not have a say, and Weather it happens or not that will be determined by lawmakers NFL executives and private interest firms.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

Even if that's the case, they aren't taking more schools without the understanding of the direction things are going.

[@deantaylor6919]

Ok, didn’t realize how much BigTen fandom there was in the upper south. Just to be honest, y’all don’t want none of the SEC all the best up there. Enjoy those snowfield cold winter days.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

Honestly, I did not expect that from the VT fans.

[@warrengque]

The ACC is great in sports and really doesn't have a product problem, the ACC has a marketing problem. Every conference has 3-5 really good football teams, a few in the middle, then several bad ones, however the ACC didn't trumpet how good the football actually is and just sat back and let the narrative grow into the prevailing opinion that ACC football is bad. Regarding the DC/MD/VA TV markets, living in MD and I can tell you that UMD football is not widely watched in this area. VaTech football is watched and followed more, therefore the narrative that the B1G has the DMV media market is simply not true. Do they have a team in the market, yes, but not the premier team that drives viewers. That said, I think both VA Tech and UVA should be absorbed into the B1G and/or SEC. I think the UVA is an attractive target for the B1G and I think VaTech could go to either, but geographically and from a football pedigree perspective the SEC would be the fit. Preferably, I would like to see both in the B1G, because they both fit academically and both can compete in B1G.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

I generally agree with this, I'm just shocked at how much VT support there is for the Big 10. Not what I would've guessed. Why is that?

[@hudson5112]

​​@@saturdayswarriorbyu Could be due in part to the fact that most out- of-state VT students come from the northeastern states. Many VT alumni also live in the northeast, myself included. I much prefer the B10 over the SEC.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

I would've never thought. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

[@SnowmanTF2]

While I would agree with a decent amount of what you say in the past, especially before the Big 12 lost the first round of teams around a decade ago, the SEC and B1G have completely stripped the best programs of the PAC and Big 12 over the last decade. The resource gap is already huge, and has been increasingly affecting staffing and recruiting, and probably becomes even larger if court cases push schools to directly start paying players. Some of their expansion targets did not seem to pan out, but still seem more hits than misses.

[@warrengque]

@@saturdayswarriorbyu I can't speak for all VT fans and supporters, however for me my overall preference is that VT doesn't get left out. That said my preference for being in the B1G stems from the mix of both academic and sports prowess. Academically, lack of AAU membership aside, VT fits in the B1G perfectly academically and actually would be one of the top ranked schools in the conference, and would be one of the top Engineering schools. I more so support VT in the B1G for football because I am very comfortable in saying I know VT can come in and compete and consistently be in contention for a B1G title. I would love to be at Lane to watch the Hokies play the Wolverines or Buckeyes, or Nittany Lions and conversely going to their stadiums as well. That said if VT joined the SEC, I wouldn't be mad. VT would be in the top 2-3 schools academically, so if academics don't matter, then VT will be fine sitting near the top. However in football, I believe VT would have a much rougher road to consistent success in the SEC, but I know they can compete. I think Tech would eventually build to be a consistent top team, but consistently where would they fall. With Bama, GA, TX,, Ole Miss and LSU, VT's rise would take longer. From a pure football culture, I think VT has that SEC culture and would fit nicely. VT is within a 6.5 hrs drive to USC, GA, TX, Vandy, and UK and shares borders with Tennessee and Kentucky, thus creating natural rivalries. I'm not in favor of moving to the Big 12. Lets be honest, after TX and OK leave who is really left? I'll give you OK St., Utah and Colorado (only b/c of the Dion factor). The rest are group of five material IMO. It burns my arse to see these Big 12 Podcasts talking about landing ACC schools and inferring that other than Clem and FSU, the ACC schools would maybe fall in the lower middle to bottom of the pack if they're lucky. Then some podcasts have even had the audacity to say "Duke, UVA, UNC, and GT would fit in academically" I laughed at that statement. They only have one school that cracks the top 100 nationally. Based on what I've seen on many of these podcasts, the most attractive ACC programs are Clem, FSU, Miami, UNC, UVA, VT, NC State and maybe Ga Tech. If these teams were to all go to the Big 12. They would all immediately be the highest ranked academic schools in the conference, would have the largest stadiums in the conference, and five of those seven would be the biggest national brands in the conference. As you can tell i'm not a fan of moving to the Big 12.

[@robertgibbs6480]

Why is. There so much comment about unc and ncsu being tied together, yet no one has much to say about VaTech and uva being tied ?

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

I thought we did cover it. Also, it seems like it may be easier to untie the Virginia schools. Maybe not though.

[@TheOracleOfYouTube]

Bless his heart, it sounds like Curtis is going to have PTSD when Va Tech ends up in the Big 12. UVA/VT will not be tied together. Is both schools to be held back if the other is not offered a spot? That would be stupid! Oklahoma St is a better football program than VT. Oklahoma St. thought they was "tied" to Oklahoma. They was left behind when Oklahoma came to the SEC. The only people who say schools are locked together are the fans of schools that wont make the power 2. At least BYU was appreciative to be in the Big 12.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

I think they can get out of being tied together, I just wanted their this, and they agreed.

[@waynebennett745]

Yes, I know fb is a strong factor, but don't y'all think that choices are made by what OTHER areas/sports schools excel at?

[@encycl07pedia-]

Football is not a strong factor. It's the only factor. This conference realignment has nothing to do with academics, basketball, tennis, or golf.

[@waynebennett745]

If that were true: WHO would be worth taking from the ACC - FSU, Clemson, & VT? & WHY all the debates over anybody else?

[@encycl07pedia-]

@@waynebennett745 Why would VT be worth taking? lol. They are horrible. I think it speaks volumes that UNC is such a "hot property" but still hasn't filed a lawsuit yet. If "other sports" matter, why haven't they? And why does nobody (seriously) talk about Duke in expansion?

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

The driving factor is $$$, football just happens to be the biggest driver of that. There's a lot of factors that matter to the decision makers, so I think academics, which is a big money driver for these schools, does matter. It just matters more at some places than others. Since money matters, it's about getting viewers, which usually means brands. Like Nebraska who continually drives viewership even though they are not good in the field. UNC is a big brand, which is why they're in the conversation. VT has been a pretty decent brand and has the potential to get back to that.

[@encycl07pedia-]

@@saturdayswarriorbyu UNC isn't a big brand in football. That's why they're called a basketball school. VT fell off a cliff when Beamer left. Their viewership is terrible... so they're like Nebraska without the eyeballs.

[@robertsanders6858]

UNC has always been by far UVA's biggest rival anyway

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

It feels like UVA has a better chance of getting into a P2 if they hitch their wagon to UNC.

[@vtroygohokies3230]

Uva belongs in the sun belt conference

[@WilliamBush-bg7ei]

@@vtroygohokies3230I highly doubt that 😂

[@WilliamBush-bg7ei]

Heck nah

[@SnowmanTF2]

It seems unlikely a potential super league would have 80 slots, if anything is clear from recent B1G/SEC moves and teams moving into them is they would prefer pool of teams smaller to have more concentrated revenue. The only way I see it even getting up to 65-66 is if need half the voting members of FBS.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

With more teams, there's more inventory to sell. As long as it's structured in a way that makes them more money, I think they could be happy. Having said that, I still don't see it happening. But we can dream.

[@christopherhooter1937]

Who says the ACC is "undervalued"? IMO, it's a B12 peer group, and they are moreless at same annual media revenue

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

Perhaps his point was that the deal hasn't appreciated well over time. But that's usually the case. The Pac-12 had a killer deal when they signed it. The problem for the ACC is that the deal is so long that'll it'll continue to look worse and worse before it ends. Also, they feel that the ACC has a branding problem, which it does.

[@christopherhooter1937]

@saturdayswarriorbyu the ACC sold the farm to ESPN to claim to have a Conference Network (not that i've ever seen the ACC network), and the price paid was ~20 year GoRs deal (at the time). Why ANYONE of sane mind would sign an almost ~TWO DECADES long deal - almost like a marriage! - in the ever changing college athletics business world, where it was obvious the SEC & B1G would renegotiate 2-3x each over the same span, is either fiduciarily IRRESPONSIBLE or down right DESPERATE! But that does not mean it's undervalued (now)or hasn't appreciated appropriately. The entire conference deserves all this, IMO.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

I'm with you on all that. I'm just trying to extrapolate the intended meaning behind his statement.

[@jonboxleitner7354]

If the ACC is undervalued, the individual schools should be hoping that ESPN doesn't renew the contract or hoping that the conference implodes. Then they can find their real value. I have no idea if it's undervalued. But there's only one way to find out.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

A lot of the value also depends on timing. It would be a terrible time to renegotiate. Which is your point. And I'm not saying the ACC is undervalued. Making about the same as the Big 12 makes sense.

[@The_Makr_]

I think UVA would make a great B12 addition. VT is more P2 material to be honest. Need to get to a super conference so we can go back to regionally compelling matchups or they will kill the overall interest in the sport. Only the P2 fanbases will care and that is not a recipe for long term health/sustainability.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

Why UVA, not VT?

[@The_Makr_]

@@saturdayswarriorbyu VT plays a much at a much higher ceiling in football than uva. Has a much larger fanbase. It fits the profile of what ESPN/Fox want. VT is about to have a big season this year and remind people what VT looks like when they are right.

[@encycl07pedia-]

VT is not P2 material. They peaked at losing the national championship to FSU. TCU actually has a better pedigree.

[@encycl07pedia-]

@@saturdayswarriorbyu Because OP is a VT fan. lol

[@frankpotter5936]

@@encycl07pedia- Laughable

[@ryanharrell2950]

I am sorry but SEC will not take VT without UVA. Likewise take NC ST without UNC.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

What's your reasoning? Why would they need both VA schools?

[@tylernelson3343]

@@saturdayswarriorbyu I think that something to do with State of Virginia wanted to make sure that either schools get left behind in realignment. This might be more political reasons for the schools to stay together.

[@JohnDry]

Like they wouldn't take OK, and OK St, or Texas without Texas Tech? Lol

[@ryanharrell2950]

@@saturdayswarriorbyu I'm sorry but VT and NC ST are not an option without UNC and UVA. Yes the SEC would love to have a presence in NC and Virginia but it comes down to value. VT and NC ST are not as valuable. Plus realize FSU, Clemson and possibly Notre Dame are in play and all three are an added value over any Virginia or NC school. The SEC doesn't need to expand right now. The SEC will not play games with politicians in Virginia or NC.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

That sounds more like a reason not to take either. With limited spaces, I don't see them wanting 2 from a state. Also, in not sure UVA is more valuable than VT.

[@noles9998]

No, eyeballs on UNC quit drinking the Kool-Aid when push comes to shove conferences will pick who’s gonna draw them money. What is the point of bringing you over if nobody watches you or nobody goes to your games

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

It's about picking up big brands and getting into good markets.

[@noles9998]

@@saturdayswarriorbyu the markets you mentioned only focus on basketball and other areas that don’t bring in money. I like basketball and enjoy watching it but it doesn’t mean jack s***. Those eyeball don’t focus on football which is why when they were doing good and FSU was winning 4 games a year for about 4 years FSU still was bring in bigger tv revenue. It wasn’t even close.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

People like football everywhere. And that's a lot of casual viewers they can bring in to watch now that their teams play bigger brands.

[@noles9998]

@@saturdayswarriorbyu are you delusional? When FSU plays lesser brands ratings are still good because the brand people are watching is FSU, it carries over to whoever they are playing. Nobody will watch Northwestern play N.C. but they will if it is Clemson or FSU.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

@@noles9998 I'm delusional because I think people like football everywhere, including a state that has an NFL team? Then yes I am.

[@trevezford83]

I think u guys are missing the picture. The eduthing isnt a big thing for students any just look at college basketball players. These decisions are about not getting left behind. The big 10 got ruckers thinkin it was valuable because of nyc. But with that move sec schools still make more per school with less teams. The sec will get fsu, clemson, unc, and va. Va tech, Nc st are not the flagship schools in their states

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

I still think the whole flagship thing is weird and outdated.

[@TheOracleOfYouTube]

@@saturdayswarriorbyu Do you think your perception is based on BYU's relationship with Utah?

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

I wasn't even thinking about Utah.

[@CoachHoffmanOL]

UVA & UNC to the B1G. VT & NCST to the SEC.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

Makes the most sense, but that means it probably won't happen.

[@TheOracleOfYouTube]

@@saturdayswarriorbyu Obviously, this is so much bigger than your brains can interpret.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

Very intelligent argument.

[@TheOracleOfYouTube]

@@saturdayswarriorbyu Almost as intelligent as suggesting that the SEC would take VT & NCst. I'm sure the SEC would bend over backwards to give those two schools SEC money. SMH. Geezzz....

[@hudson5112]

The six ACC schools in North Carolina and Virginia have it within their power to keep the ACC together if they so choose. Sure it would probably mean less $$$$$ for some than leaving for the P2, but all six have something special in their close proximity to one another and the fierce rivalries they have developed over the years. Would some of them leave just for the money? Probably, but in time I think they would come to regret it. What a sorry mess college sports has become.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

I think any that have a chance to leave for money will. But I totally agree that it's a mess. It's quickly losing everything that made it special.

[@jrcsvrvsc]

Espn will not pay as much for the big 12, if the ACC goes.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

You mean the next Big 12 deal will be worth less than it is now?

[@trevezford83]

Super conference would be silly. There's not 70 teams that realistically play exciting meaningful football. Thats pretty much what we already have. A bunch of schools like va vanderbilt, northwestern ect that are makin $ off football that they dont deserve

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

But that's what makes college sports special though - traditional rivalries and regionality. And right now, of there are a lot of bad teams in the power 2 making bank while other good schools are missing out.

[@gregnelson1330]

It's funny how out of touch they are. They think the greedy 2 want to hand them money. Virginia gets the northern seat in the Big 12, VT becomes G5 with Pitt, WF, GT & BC. Cuse has a slim shot at the Big 12.

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

The Big 12 has already shown they'll take culture fit over prestige. In this scenario, I think they'd take VT over UVA.

[@gregnelson1330]

Got even worse. Neither shpuld be offored a spot in the Big 12 . Bad attitudes go to G5. Good luck yall.

[@WeSRT4]

So, the conference isn't worth more because of all the crap CFB programs within the conference. The schools voted to make things EVEN WORSE with the latest additions. Looking down the list.... Syracuse, Duke, Wake Forest, SMU, Cal, Boston College, Virginia, Georgia Tech, North Carolina all historically SUCK in football. Your conference can't hold a candle to the other major conferences. It's GARBAGE!

[@saturdayswarriorbyu]

Losing its top football brands would sink their value, and I don't think there're enough teams out there to help retool like the Big 12 did.

[@WeSRT4]

@@saturdayswarriorbyu No there isn’t anywhere to turn for retooling in fact the Big 12 will pick the mid tier schools after the SEC and Big Ten gets their picks. The remaining few will end up somewhere like the American conference