Assassin's Creed - History of the Seven Methods of Salvation (from AC Revelations until AC Valhalla)

[@nicholasalley7324]

Watching this again. The AC3 soundtrack hits hard there. Love this page and this family. Don't comment much but played since AC1 came out.

[@alexdonca1567]

So Basim will have to find a way to get Aletheia's conscience out of the staff, by getting someone else's in. And at the same time, she'll need a body to possess, obviously. Rift might have some very interestings plotlines :D

[@AccessAnimus]

Indeed, that's what I would expect, unless the writers have it that it was a variation on the original Sixth Method or something like that. But yes, if it's the same tech, then it should work the same way. And yes, Aletheia should need another vessel, potentially a body - but not a normal human body (that didn't work with Juno), it should be some kind of Isu-DNA-based kind of body for it to work (that's how it worked for Juno in the comics). So yeah, the idea is that the Sixth and Seventh Method may play an important part in Rift, both for Basim and Aletheia

[@65firered]

Damn, we lost the chance for Layla to be used for that.

[@alexdonca1567]

@@AccessAnimus "isu-dna-based kind of body".. could that mean a sage? Cause that could lead to an interesting conflict. Or even if the ISU conscience takes over the body, it is still considered just a human?

[@AccessAnimus]

@@alexdonca1567 In Juno's case, when she was bound to be reborn (in the Uprising comics), scientist Alvaro Gramàtica used a Shroud of Eden on a piece of Isu DNA in order to recreate a Precursor body from scratch, where Juno's consciousness was then transferred. So not really a Sage (Sages are human bodies where the Isu consciousness tries to take control), more of a proper Precursor body where the consciousness could work exactly as it did in the Isu Era. But I'm not sure if Basim / Loki is able to replicate that?

[@alexdonca1567]

@@AccessAnimus it was just a random theory that popped in my head which could connect Desmond's son to the game story (even though it would be too late to use Elijah, but Basim doesn't know that :p).

[@RodZombie]

Happy 9th Anniversary! This channel is honestly the best source, and resource, for Assassin's Creed content on KZbin. Insightful commentary, in-depth analysis, and respect for the lore of the franchise, while being fair about criticism of the franchise from a place of wanting to suggest improvement for the good of the franchise. Here's to many more years of awesome content! "Nothing is True. Everything is Permitted."

[@AccessAnimus]

Hey hey!! Thank you so much for all the kind words, I really try my best to shine some spotlight on the best story aspects of the franchise while also having some criticism when I think it's deserved ^^ Thank you so much for the heartfelt message Rod!

[@aristrosa]

This has to be my most favourite assassin's creed channel. I love all the interesting lore and explaination of every assassin storyline. Great stuff can't wait to see more incredible things coming up for present and future installments love more AC content especially the lore behind it all.👍🧬☯️🎀🌎

[@RahatTheKiller]

Even with the recent, not-so-great trends in this franchise, it's amazing how much lore is in it. And it's amazing how Darby and his team were able to salvage so much of it for Valhalla after Odyssey. I always say that Valhalla is far from perfect, but I have to give it off to the narrative for doing what it could to salvage the lore.

[@AccessAnimus]

Yep, I would dare say that AC3 - even though it was criticized so much at the time - brought so much to the table in terms of modern day and Isu lore that it's still being used today after so many years. That must account for something. Plus, I'm also pretty happy that writers still leverage content from that time. It makes the franchise more cohesive and interesting to follow

[@65firered]

Despite all the problems with Valhalla, at least it saved a lot of the lore... even if the DLC nearly put us right back where we were before.

[@AccessAnimus]

@@65firered Indeed, Valhalla's main game did a very good job in weaving its story with the established narrative and giving value to some of the methods of Salvation while also introducing some very interesting elements

[@Marquis-Sade]

But its way to convoluted. Also: Why not show the ISU like they really look like? That would be something different, no one else does. But now we have *another* nordic mythology game, like so many others.

[@RahatTheKiller]

@@Marquis-Sade that would be trend-chasing, I suppose. The mythological layer allows them to capture the casual fan base.

[@lavin214]

Off topic here but I wish instead of doing Odyssey and Valhalla, after origins, they would have made games for each of the assassin's in the sanctuary starting with an origins sequel about Amunet in ancient Rome that continues to show her and Cleopatra's relationship deteriorate until Amunet kills her with an asp.

[@AccessAnimus]

Eh, their strategy has always been that of new setting, new character, never leveraging existing characters as main characters. Too bad cause Amunet would have made for a great protagonist to be honest!

[@lavin214]

@@AccessAnimus I definitely enjoy Odyssey and Valhalla but they missed out not doing a sequel to origins. They had the most compelling characters since their run of ezio, Connor, and Edward Kenway.

[@drskelebone]

Thank you! I learned a lot about the Isu history here, as I'm solely a Origins/Odyssey/Valhalla player. :)

[@AccessAnimus]

Glad you enjoyed it, this was one of the purposes of the video, especially for fans and players that have joined the franchise recently ^^ Hopefully this history will come in handy in the future!

[@tffknowledgekeeper1088]

Happy anniversary, Access the Animus! We can always trust you guys to bring us the most detailed analysis of the Isu metastory. I'm sure that the DoR DLC wouldn't have been that enjoyable without your explanations imo. Thank you so much!

[@AccessAnimus]

Awww thank you so much! We always try our best to be as detailed as possible, so thank you for your kind words ❤️ It's comments like this that repay us of all the hard work!

[@IamSupreme333]

been waiting for this one

[@AccessAnimus]

Ha! Did you expect we would have done this at some point in the future?

[@IamSupreme333]

@@AccessAnimus of course. After Dawn of Ragnarok showed the Eitri Tower, I was sure there would be some video deeply discussing all 7 methods, or at the very least, the 1st method. Of course, the video was great and fun to watch

[@AccessAnimus]

@@IamSupreme333 Santiago, you do see the future then! You truly have mastered the calculations

[@amildlymadlad8671]

Fantastic video and analysis! I've been collecting information and lore data like this for ages to piece it all together. I completely forgot about the letter from black flag that we can see in the video so I've always assumed that Juno rushed to save Aita without really planning how they can both be together again (But seeing how much attention she put to make sure she survives and how she didn't used Aita reincarnations really creates an interesting perspective about their love). At this point my 3 main unanswered questions about Valhalla are: 1) What do you think about Alethia/Loki plan? Something definitely went wrong based on Basim dialogue when he approached Eivors grave. I assume he intended to kill Eivor and then use a Norway Chamber to contact Alethia to review their next steps or to convince Kassandra to bring the staff to him and *maybe* use some ISU tech to extract Eivors/Odins memories to find information about their children (I wonder why they think the children still can be alive). However, based on Alethia dialogue she seems to already know (or calculated) that the staff needs to be passed on the Heir of the Memories instead of trying to find Loki. 2) Fenrir - was it an humanoid Isu? A deformed offspring of two different races of Isu? An actual wolf? I do understand the Nordic visualisation of it, but if you think about it, Eivor was bitten by the wolf which have made Odin's consciousness to resurface. It has to have some connection to the wolf. 3) What happend to Freya? I've expected her to sabotage Loki's calculations or explaining Isu history to the reader, but it seems when Layla got there Valka's mum body is still there but in the simulation she is nowhere to be found. Hope next ac will explain a bit more about Loki's future and plans. Happy anniversary! Keep up the good work!

[@Marquis-Sade]

Eivor was only bitten by a random wolf and not Fenrir, right?

[@Mugenryujin]

Happy Anniversary! Thank y'all for your hard work ^^

[@AccessAnimus]

Thank you so much sir!

[@DMPTC]

Its always good to remember this isu metahistory, i always intérpreted the way consus tranfered his mind tô the shroud as a copy, not a Full transfer as its looks in salakar, subject 11, klay, It tranfered his mind tô the animus as a copy as well, not a Full transfer, hoping some day tô know If Juno made a Full transfer of her conciouness tô that orgânic body presented in AC Uprising, or Just maded a copy as well, and somehow It Still around thought the Gray, more weak and without folowers

[@AccessAnimus]

Yeah, it was actually a proper and original full transfer of Consus in the prototype shroud as far as I know, because he actually complained about realizing he was trapped there and couldn't get out for 75 millennia. As for Juno, I'd honestly be surprised if they had her come back and be alive again after making such a fuss about her being dead. Then again, after she was killed in the comics, she appeared in pretty much every game in different forms so...

[@VulcanTrekkie45]

I'm wondering if maybe Aita had some sort of mental condition that complicated the consciousness transferring experiments. Maybe the Fifth Method would've worked on most Isu. It was just this condition that Aita had that meant it didn't work on him. And that's why so many of his Sages went mad.

[@towellight9400]

Love your videos and recently discovered them. I'm honestly surprised at how few views you get with how well made they are. I don't know if it is because barely anyone actually cares about the AC lore or if it was because it was always fairly easy to follow what was going on if you dug deep until this last game. I never looked up any lore because I had a friend who we would theory craft and analyze everything together, but he was wayyy behind on playing Valhalla so I ended up finding your videos. Anyway, keep up the good work and have another sub! Hopefully in the future you'll break that 100k and beyond!

[@Marquis-Sade]

I guess no one really cares. The old fans left long ago. The new ones dont have a clue about the things that are not surface level (the mythology being ISU and so on)

[@craftingranger7552]

Happy anniversary 🎉🎉🎉😁😁😁

[@AccessAnimus]

Thank you Crafty!!!

[@craftingranger7552]

@@AccessAnimus no problem also the video was amazing. Its been a while since I played AC3 and the methods of salvation have always confused me slightly but I'm beginning to think the next few games will show more and more isu having successfully used or modified these methods.

[@arpharazon999]

It really suprises me that they didn't tried suspended animation, flee into space/another planet temporarily, hide in a deep underground bunker or try to figure out how the humans could survive and use that for isu. Maybe they did try all of those and failed, but if there was some way for the humans survive whithout all that tech and genetics, it had to be a simpler solution they overlooked.

[@ZanderJaverson]

It makes me think that ghost is just actually a conciousness that has no vessel

[@roachct9076]

In Valhalla there's an email about time travel and if I remember correctly an ISU said that maybe it was possible to upgrade the Animus to change history

[@e.xcalibre]

I genuinely believe baldrs consciousness fragmented to become the reader and the author (Desmond and Layla[?]) mentioned by the messengers in origins. They both become engulfed in light as they further themselves in the calculations and they both carry the same defining quality of baldrs death and more that I cannot remember. They were all poisoned in some way. Desmond and Layla through radiation and baldr, mistletoe or whatever it's meant to represent. When the Salakar unleashed its wave perhaps that's what fragmented baldrs consciousness? Or perhaps when Juno let the consciousness go after interacting with the salakar?

[@samramos310]

All of this just makes me wonder if we can end up seeing Odin again, that would be interesting. I mean, it wouldn't be Eivor (that wouldn't make much sense) but seeing odin would be cool. Also, technically speaking, if the animus shows the genetic memories of ancestors, that means people like Altair, Ezio, or Connor are still kind of alive in their descendants. If they're clever enough, and play their cards right they could have some kind of freaky-Friday/Quantum Leap situation where maybe one can appear similar to a Sage. If they run out of Ideas that would be interesting to explore.

[@protectbabysif]

(Serious mode activated) Actually a nice deep dive into the different methods. I do hope Isu rebirth remains a core part of the story throughout history and we see more sages appear in future storylines (especially a return to Aita since just because his story has been wrapped up, it wouldn't make sense for him to just never appear again in the universe). I know the direction of the franchise has been contentious due to the lack of focus on Assassins and I definitely think there should be a return to that but I don't want them to lean too heavily into either side, both are important to the franchise and ideally we'd get a good balance between both that fully utilizes AC to its potential.

[@AccessAnimus]

Wow, we got both a sifpost and a serious post - it really is our anniversary 😄 I do hope too that they keep the Isu Rebirth but I wouldn’t like to see new ones using the same method because it’s described as a scarce and banished method. Instead, I would be actually happy to see a return to Aita too: because of how it is described, these guys are always meant to reappear even if Juno died and their story is wrapped. I’d expect some kind of focus on the Hidden Ones in Rift - that game might couple the Assassin-like feeling with the consequences of the Seventh Method, it could be interesting. And it’s also one of the reasons I prepped the video ahead of any potential announcement 😄

[@SirNoobWulf]

This raises a a lot of questions to be answered. Loki wants his family back so I am assuming he is definitely going to try and set Alethia free. And we know he needs an ISU or atleast a semi ISU body to do it. Adn right now I cannot think of any. I hope The modern day of Rift will have a lot to say

[@AccessAnimus]

Yep indeed! If they’re continuing his story in the modern day, then he should be on the look out for the consciousnesses of his three children. And then some vessels to place them - and Aletheia - in, of course

[@oscarisaac3989]

They could use Elina Berg (Berg's daughter) and some of the last descendants.

[@erenjageralmuhed6029]

few of Methods was successful but juno dosent get what she want exeactky great job my freind

[@AccessAnimus]

Some of them were but almost none of the Isu got what they wanted in the end… Save for Basim maybe? And thanks for the kind words!

[@jeremyw.5729]

So, when Hyrrokin takes the Salakar to the Grand Temple to enter the grey, another consciousness gets out, and that could be Baldr! So where is he? Well, I don't think his original consciousness could have survived being released from the grey without anywhere to go, and also survive the catastrophe. But a copy of him is still in the computer simulation of Niflheim, which I believe Loki/Basm will try to reach using either his or William Miles ancestors who discovered it's location, or better yet, an Eivor-like reincarnation of an Isu who knew where it was and how to use it.

[@thefl9493]

So in my minds theory , so sage has isu DNA as Desmond had which means that Desmond also came from ISU God, so I feel the conflict of human DNA (being a free Spirit from slavery ) and the Isu DNA (order and obedience of others). This conflict inside created the 2 different ideas and created the conflict of assassin's and templars.

[@Silvia_Arienti]

Could the Third Method be the explanation to what happens in Curse of the Pharaohs?

[@AccessAnimus]

As far as I know the explanation was just that the Apple caused a lot of illusions... but it is true that some of those illusions actually literally killed the locals in Thebes and around it, so I guess you could say that it can be interpreted like that, yeah!

[@Ahasverus92]

That's always been the explanation

[@Churrowhisperer]

What’s the difference between the serum and the catalyst for the seventh method? I know one of them is the mead, so what’s the other?

[@SweetlySilverSylvie]

I just finished Dawn of Ragnarok and I had interpreted the dwarves as representing humans, not another group of Isu

[@roachct9076]

12:22 you lost your chance SON!!!

[@floriannoel362]

Tbh i've some problems with the 7th method. First it's hard to accept that they implement DNA, that it replicate and traverse the ages but that it "wakes up" only once. I find the Aita sage's one more consistent, dna is copied thorugh history, anyone having it becomes a sage. Secondly : how can they copy the DNA to 3 (unnaturally big) human foetus, have the 3 foetus survive Toba catastrophe, then grow up on their own. But somehow they couldn't hide and survive themselve. Off topic but i'm convinced Reda is a surviving ISU who found/discovered (accidentally or not) a way to stop aging

[@michaelamail4407]

Hey. 21:50 where to find that letter? I would to read it full. Thank you ❤

[@AccessAnimus]

That's in Assassin's Creed Valhalla at the end of the Order of the Ancients arc! After you find out who the leader of the Order is, you get a key for a specific location where you can find this and other letters! Sorry, not sure if this could be a spoiler for you or not so I tried to not say too much!

[@michaelamail4407]

@@AccessAnimusthat’s great, I haven’t got to that part yet so will keep an eye out! I like to see everything 😅 you’re a star thank you ❤

[@davidestabilini4468]

One thing I don't like is the fact that Aita's sages have heterochromia because Aita had it. I prefered thinking it was due to their complex DNA, maybe fault of the changes forced upon it to replicate him. The fact that the only Isu with sages (until then) had it is too much of a coincidence.

[@quanti5]

If I'm understanding you right, you said the Grey is different from the hardware storage solution of the 6th solution? Then what the hell actually IS the Grey? Seems like it has been referenced a whole lot more than any of the solutions.

[@samflood5631]

Shouldn’t there be an eight method, place the Isu in cryogenic suspension and wait for the Great Catastrophe dies down so they can wake up and rebuild what’s left of their civilization?

[@lumineniananubis4161]

What I realized is that AC Odyssey and Valhalla's main plots are all about ISU stuff. Origins seemed like the only one to give us a true backstory.

[@AccessAnimus]

I would say that Odyssey *tries* to be very much about Isu stuff (both in terms of story and sometimes even to merely justify the various magic abilities and powers). Valhalla does that too, but in a way that mixes with history as it was the case for the old games. In Origins... it was different, especially because the Isu elements were almost always relegated to the side and optional content. So yes, in that game there was more history and backstory for the characters maybe (but to imho there's a good chunk of backstory for Eivor and Kassandra too)

[@bibbiena]

Access the animus è la casa di intelletto puro

[@AccessAnimus]

Oh wow, grazie!

[@ZanderJaverson]

It makes me think that ghost is just actually a conciousness that has no vessel

[@jacobholly2096]

If the method Juno used to bring aita back later on then how is it Aita is in AC Odyssey during the Atlantis dlc it would seem that it already worked and the whole sage stuff wouldn't have been needed.

[@Silvia_Arienti]

The "memories" in that DLC are set _before_ all of this.

[@AccessAnimus]

Yep, exactly, what you see in Fate of Atlantis are *doctored* memories from the Isu Era - and more specifically before the Isu tested all the methods (or at the very least before they tested the fifth one)

[@cakeassassin6277]

So the apple can work like ep 11 of sandman, if enough dream, it becomes reality

[@kareemlake5185]

I was wondering how did Juno met loki ?

[@AccessAnimus]

I’m not sure if they actually ever met each other - though it’s likely they did - but the dialogues in the Animus anomalies and the Jotunheim Arc show that Aletheia (Loki’s mistress) and Juno did know each other and interacted a few times 👀

[@ZanderJaverson]

How did jupiter uses gun in very ancient ancient times? It was absurd

[@ZanderJaverson]

It means ancient people worship a god who uses blicky to slain their enemy? It was absurd yet funny

[@capnpeace5988]

Valhalla made the best use of lore,yet they weren't abled to be grasped by non-hardcore AC fans.

[@jimsus69]

I think the Isu are definitely the most interesting part of assassins creed. and I'm sure they will continue to be a large part of the game franchise.. I hope so anyway. Gunlodr is not Juno though. Juno is Hyrrokin, Gunlodr is her daughter, and the witch of the woods Angrboda is her other daughter aka Alethia. so I'm confused as to why u referred to Gunlodr as Juno, when it's not it's her daughter. Hyrrokin even says that exact thing to Odin in the Asgard (Garden of the Aseir) dlc

[@AccessAnimus]

Uhm I don't think I mentioned that Gunlodr was meant to represent Juno. In the Jotunheim arc Gunlodr represents Minerva (that afaik is only confirmed to be Jupiter's daughter) and when discussing the Fourth Method I was referencing how Minerva used the Eye to send messages across time - which is what we see under the mythological veil when Gunlodr and Havi try and send the message and Ezio Auditore answers some time later.

[@jimsus69]

@@AccessAnimus Ezio? I thought Gunlodr was talking to an Elf, considering that dark green crystal u call the eye is Elven Technology. Who says anything about it being Ezio? I hope it isn't. He was by far the worst assassin ever.

[@jimsus69]

@@AccessAnimus and u did refer to gunlodr as Juno, that's why I said it 😆 it doesn't matter really we all make mistakes but I just didn't think u made mistakes on here.

[@jimsus69]

@@AccessAnimus I thought the eye, is the eye of Odin, a different piece of Idunn entirely.

[@e.xcalibre]

@@jimsus69 we aren't really sure if the eye is the salakar or if the eye is just a pale imitation of it. Also we know it's ezio beyond the door as he utters the exact same voice line that Ezio utters to Minerva when he first sees her in the first isu vault he explores.

[@rohit_parashar]

Just 2 successful methods from it huh?

[@AccessAnimus]

I'd say 2.5, the fourth method worked too, though Minerva didn't get what she was hoping for ☹

[@rohit_parashar]

@@AccessAnimus fair point 👍

[@Iyumni]

Uhm, I don't recall any mention of Surtur being North African. Besides, Surtur is a character from Scandinavian cosmology, not African.

[@e.xcalibre]

Watch his dawn of ragnarok analysis, gives why he calls them north African isu. He's only interpreted through eivors perception of Odins memory as a fire giant, when past the veil of mythology in ac he was possibly one of the egyptian caste of isu, possibly Ra

[@e.xcalibre]

Also the narrative director has outright stated that the nine realms are made to correspond with large geographical locations on earth. Publicly known analogs we have are asgard as Northern Europe, southern/Mediterranean Europe for Jotunheimr and North Africa for Muspelheimr. Svartalfheimr seems loosely to me to be the landmass in the body of water above turkey that's owned by Ukraine and stops at the shore of Russia, although others think it's a more middle Eastern location like turkey, maybe syria or lebanon

[@vectorfox4782]

Lore Good, Ubisoft bad *never Preorder*

[@marvinmartian6516]

elohim

[@indikuh6741]

The seventh was the anti-Christ.