Accident Case Study: Conflict in the Cockpit

[@nickjames6813]

More case studies please! Actual production quality and by far the best of many aviation and plane crash channels. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

[@schweizer3301]

Hey is that that a jab at mentor pilot

[@jonginder5494]

👍👍👍

[@darkprose]

Either that or less accidents to study. Both are fine.

[@nickjames6813]

@@darkprose ahh… an idealist

[@rfcdgaf]

I would literally pay for these to be made, yearly subscription or whatever

[@Darkvirgo88xx]

I'm glad air safety did this video. Listening to the radio traffic you would have never picked up on the conflict in the cockpit. This paints a much more complete picture of the incident.

[@TheWalachecman]

Thank you for keeping this series alive. RIP Richard

[@Jmg831]

😢

[@cellokid5104]

Huh?

[@Jmg831]

@@cellokid5104 the person who used to narrate this series was involved in a plane crash a while ago and he didn’t make it 😞

[@Jmg831]

@@badmonkey2222 he wasn’t the pilot on that flight

[@ldl230-r8m]

@@badmonkey2222 opinions are like assholes, but I'll share mine anyways. Speaking ill of the dead is unseemly & inconsiderate to those they left behind. Analyzing the mistakes they made is one thing, attacking character is another.

[@michaelrichter8766]

I think the first officer attitude contributed a huge amount on the accident. Even though he knows he’s the more experienced pilot, he should’ve tried to help the captain and don’t put free stress on him. It’s seems to me he was always trying to humiliate him.

[@mikeshoults4155]

It doesn't matter, the captain let his hurt ego cloud his judgement. What is more important, protecting your ego or staying alive?

[@moiraatkinson]

I don’t think it was that as much as he was cowed by the FO’s arrogance and shockingly unprofessional remarks. Sure, the Captain should have reacted differently, but we aren’t all perfect. If anything he was just trying to remind the FO who was PIC. And let’s face it, it wouldn’t be hard for those sarcy comments to affect someone. “My friend” - what happened to “Captain”? If the FO was older than the Captain that would have made it even harder for him to speak up. I felt sorry for the younger Captain. The FO being older, had more life experience and should have been able to see the effect his attitude was having on the younger man and done something about it.

[@jelliebird37]

@@mikeshoults4155 The FO’s priority clearly was not working with the captain to fly the airplane; they weren’t having a disagreement or an argument or even something as relatively benign as a power struggle. The FO had an *agenda*. Every interaction was intended to dominate, humiliate and subjugate the captain, *bullying* him by mocking, gaslighting, second guessing, condescending, countermanding, insulting him with tone and innuendo… and *destroying* the captain’s ability to think, work things out, and *function* effectively - as he otherwise would have. The captain was a human being, not an automaton. This has nothing to do with the captain’s ego… in fact, what the FO did was to *destroy* his ego. And it does not imply that the captain is somehow weak or isn’t manly enough to take it. Bullying isn’t something that happens to a schoolyard to kids who aren’t “tough enough”. It happens in all walks of life, to all sorts of people, including strong men in positions of great responsibility. Because puny little narcissistic men like this FO, who lack character and decency, suffer serious personal deficiencies. They can’t stand the fact that the world doesn’t give them the respect that they have *failed to earn*. Like obnoxious nine year olds who push and shove their way to the front of the ice cream line and expect mommy to do their homework for them. And instead of doing what any normal, respectable adult working would do by working to improve themselves, they take the lazy approach of tearing everyone else down to get ahead. The First Officer did what he was good at, tearing the pilot down. In fact, he succeeded so well that he killed the pilot and everyone else on that airplane, and inflicted a permanent, devastating, trauma on their families, all in them service of his own pathetic ego. And you reserve criticism for the pilot. Wow.

[@YodpilotID]

Wow this FO is really passive aggressive

[@BeyBoy17]

Wow, unbelievable. An accident was bound to happen with this type of cockpit dynamic. The FO was essentially trying to assert control the entire time, and successfully did so. The Captain’s lack of awareness during the hold & the approach clearly shows that his psychological bucket was full from stress. To me, it sounds like the FO’s attitude was a major contributor in this accident. I’m baffled by how uncooperative the Fo was, he was trying to dominate instead of support the new Capt. Would’ve been nice if this video dove more in to the perspectives of each pilot & used it to teach about personality, emotions & control.

[@chrisbeauchamp5563]

I agree it seems the Captain has ceded authority to the FO and is somewhat resigned. In my opinion the FO was doing a very bad job of been 2IC. I suspect he thought he should have been PIC given his higher hours on the aircraft. If it was my aircraft I would have stopped the approach conducted the hold and had a discussion that I Was the PIC and I needed the other pilot to support me as the PIC and only take the lead if there was an hazardous situation I was not responding to. The rest could be resolved on the ground.

[@chrisbeauchamp5563]

Interestingly the 2IC stepped on his toes the whole flight but the time he should have actually taken control near the end and announced it he didn’t.

[@SMMiles]

To me the main culprit is the company giving the captain position to the guy with 20x less experience in the airplane and far less total time also. The FO wouldn’t feel the need to interject if the captain knew the basics of the plane like how to program the navs and follow basic atc instructions.

[@chrisbeauchamp5563]

@@SMMiles this is not unusual, once qualified command isn’t normally determined by experience. It’s possible the Captain wasn’t strong in which case they will often put them with someone more experienced that can HELP. The 2IC could have done a lot to help the captain and unload him. It’s part of the role for a co Captain follow not lead. Think of a sports team sometime you have to rotate your striker etc so other members can gain experience.

[@SMMiles]

@@chrisbeauchamp5563 was the captain really qualified? He didn’t even know how to do the basic rnav programming-something he should have become familiar with long before becoming a captain in that aircraft. So who at the company was giving this guy the “fast track” and promoted him improperly?

[@valberlin9239]

Get-there-itis is unforgivable. Ego and pride are even more so.

[@datdudecollins]

I don’t really think that ‘get-there-itis’ has anything to do with anything that went on here. This is simply a guy with an ego he couldn’t control creating a whole lot of pain and sadness for his friends and family, AND those of his captain.

[@badmonkey2222]

Lack of proficiency and skills as well

[@shandawilliams4069]

Yep exactly 💯

[@tonylevine2716]

No “Get-There-Itis” on this one.

[@djquick]

This is not ‘get there itis’

[@inspector4133]

I really, really like the accident case studies. This one just about turned my stomach. I've flown with guys like these, and I'm done with that. Nothing is worth that.

[@apackwestbound5946]

I am curious when you say "guys like these" to whom are you referring: Captain, First Officer or both of them?

[@inspector4133]

@@apackwestbound5946 Both. One indecisive but in charge, and one decisive and snarky, not in charge but thinks he is

[@apackwestbound5946]

@@inspector4133 Thank you for the reply and clarification!

[@websherp]

Captain is incompetent and FO is antagonistic, yikes

[@ClearedAsFiled]

OMG..what a combo....

[@websherp]

@user-of9qq6op5u rewatch, they both share healthy servings of blame from the NTSB. Both had opportunities for this thing to go much better and both made decisions that actively contributed to the crash

[@heinzriemann3213]

​@user-of9qq6op5uLunacy. The FO was actually a pilot.

[@tangocharlie9291]

Yep. "I'm gonna get your speed under control for you."

[@johnkeith2450]

"We don't want to be on the news"

[@foobarf8766]

FO saw it coming from FL400 given his comments

[@Cokie907]

Ironic that he put them on the news a few minutes later. Oy vey...

[@mebeingU2]

Cockpit controls at 40,000 feet is no place for ego boxing. Neither will have to worry about who is a more accomplished pilot again.

[@joshuahudson2170]

To be fair, ego boxing at 40,000 feet is a lot safer than ego boxing at 400 feet.

[@enshk79]

The argument has been settled. Right into the ground.

[@j700jam4]

How could he be made captain without knowing how you use the flight computer?

[@ClearedAsFiled]

Absolutely.....

[@PhilAndersonOutside]

Budget constraints. Profit trumping everything.

[@themalacast]

@@PhilAndersonOutside I doubt losing planes and pilots is profitable.

[@Mshi-]

MY thoughts too

[@jaytowne8016]

The FO was working against the Captain not with him. And why he was an FO is probably to be found in his work history.

[@sarahalbers5555]

FO sounds condescending. Not helpful, further rattling the captain. Total lack of CRM. Very, very sad. And avoidable.

[@Lightning_aus]

@@sarahalbers5555 the captain flew the plane into the ground. don't know how that's the FOs fault.

[@getsmarter5412]

The Capt. was fighting both his own inexperience and the FO. FO’s condescending attitude only put the Capt. further behind the 8 ball. How did that work out for the FO?

[@johnstudd4245]

@@getsmarter5412 The FO was not helping matters but the Captain was utterly incompetent.

[@jonasbaine3538]

It’s just as shocking watching it a second time!

[@paulbrunner1818]

I like the attention to detail in this video. You even showed the Burning Man site on their flight path!

[@YodpilotID]

No way! I gotta look

[@MrZloodie]

Accident case studies are top notch, always get excited when I see a new one uploaded!!!

[@jbsack]

As I re listen to this, it’s clear from the audio that the FO had a huge attitude problem and it’s his snarky remarks that seem to initiate the conflict in the cockpit. Well, now he has all of eternity to think about his attitude problem.

[@Fuzzypotato2]

Wildly disagree. The captain was defensive and ignoring advice that would have saved his life. Who cares if someone is snarky if your life is on the line s

[@AlzhinSon]

@@Fuzzypotato2 The captain cared apparently. When your life literally is in the hands of somebody, it's best not to antagonize them too much. Humans do not do their best work when they're in a bad emotional state.

[@YodpilotID]

@@Fuzzypotato2 oh geez, you disagree, seriously? Both can be true. The captain obviously has some shortcomings but the FO was being an absolute dick.

[@YodpilotID]

@@Fuzzypotato2 so you think it's OK to have an attitude like that in the cockpit?

[@matthendricks9666]

Being a pilot myself I must say that there is nothing worse than a co-pilot that is not a teamplayer. Sometimes we have a bad day, and sometimes the other guy has a bad day. And every single pilot is absolutely in need of help of a good teamplayer at his/her side. But this first officer diminished flight safety every single time he opened his mouth.

[@shimmer8289]

Yes 1 questioned the pilots desire on what approach 2 did not provide info on smoke in area 3 made a sparky remark about whispering 4 dropped the flaps during left turn without informing pic imo his arrogance really contributed to the pilots confidence and perhaps comfort in accessing the plane and situation was getting ahead if him. A really terrible pairing of personalities and experience in that place.

[@felixthecat3n2]

It begs the question as to why the FO was still an FO at 14,000 hours..?

[@DQ_Mine]

F O was a jerk.

[@MileyPuppers]

the co plilot of this flight was a "teamplayer" for safety.. just the pilot ignored him and they died

[@matthendricks9666]

@@MileyPuppers There is no such thing as a "Teamplayer For Safety". Either you are a teamplayer or you are not. Pilots are trained to communicate and to get the buddy back on track by easy techniques. A simple " Hey bud...let´s just level off and talk about the approach" would have saved their lives. Or just a simple question like: "Hey man....how are you feeling?". Empathy, contemplating about what exactly might help the only other person in the cockpit that could save your life. That´s the basics of being a pilot besides of flying left, right, up and down.

[@andrewmgoss]

FO’s ego in the beginning set them up to fail. There was obviously something not right with the Captain, he was in over his head. Being a jerk only added to whatever was going on. FO is there to assist and should have recognized what was going on earlier. Scary to think what is going on in the cockpit when you are in the back along for the ride.

[@CLR2TKF]

First Officers fly just as much as captains. They alternate legs. And the FO does not have to sit there and let the captain put the plane in peril.

[@chad9166]

​@@CLR2TKFThe FO was fucking with the plane without the captains knowledge.

[@maka5065]

Thank you for the fix! Please give us more accident case studies though. My dad and I love these!

[@AirSafetyInstitute]

Consider donating to the Air Safety Institute so that we can keep making these videos! Link is in the description.

[@jimsmith1856]

We appreciate your patience and understanding. We appreciate your videos.

[@427SuperSnake1]

Deadly dynamic that’s for sure.

[@Heyu7her3]

Your conclusion is SO important in any leadership situation or relationship!

[@unggrabb]

Narration top class

[@JSFGuy]

Definitely spoiler deployment did them in. You can feel those things when they are out there's buffeting, with everything else going on however, low visibility that was a recipe for disaster. The decision to go around needs to be made and kept. You're not going to save an over center line approach at that DA density altitude with something like that. Lot of mistakes.

[@darkprose]

“We don’t want to be in the news. Or one of those AOPA accident case studies. They’d make us look like incompetent jerks. Ha-ha-ha. Ha-ha... Ah.”

[@petrolekh]

These are the best production quality accident case studies on KZbin. Would you consider doing commercial flights too?

[@anna_in_aotearoa3166]

As always, the lessons from these incidents are applicable far outside the air industry!Allowing ego & interpersonal conflict to impede one's professional judgement and to degrade one's teamwork always leads to major problems, and depending on context, actual danger. Ditto not having the humility & self-awareness to accept when we're out of our depth and seek help... Staying professional & not losing good judgement in a situation of active bullying can be extremely difficult, so I do feel for the captain here. Altogether a very sad incident, & I very much hope it led to a major overhaul of company personnel management & CRM training. RIP to the poor passengers caught in a toxic situation completely unawares! 😔

[@YodpilotID]

@@anna_in_aotearoa3166 "active bullying" I wasn't going to go there, but you're exactly right. It's hard to say if I ever flew with this guy that things would've been similar because I probably wouldn't of been behind the airplane like the captain was but if I picked up on any of that, I would've refused to fly with that FO. Life is too short to fly with an asshole.

[@baylokcommanderoftheflagsh9424]

They forgot the old adage we preach at ASDC ( Aerospace Defense Command ) Take your time and do it right, I thank there is a song I listen to before I fly by the S.O.S. Band - Take your time (Do it right)

[@tonylevine2716]

A Gen X vs Gen Y fight that killed everyone! Senseless! 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@CyberSystemOverload]

Right up there with some of the most unprofessional crews. Astounding. What the Captain SHOULD have done is ask for a hold well before to gather his thoughts and do a proper brief. Passengers put their trust in the 2 people up front .We all do every single time we step on an airliner. These two betrayed not just that trust but threw out all their training. It shows no one is safe from the accident chain no matter how many hours you have. You have to stay on point. No one cares if you flew to the moon. What matters is the next flight. Excellent video, the production quality is top tier.

[@intheshell35ify]

They let that plane fall out of the sky. FO should have checked his snark at the departure airport.

[@69ChevyGarage]

I totally disagree. They were in the wrong seats. FO knew he had a Capt that was lost.

[@intheshell35ify]

@@69ChevyGarage it was his job to assist the captain, not give him attitude. They both had roles to play and neither one did.

[@rattler254]

@@69ChevyGarageso what? Doesn’t mean you have to be an asshole. Stow that attitude and get the plane safely on the ground. THEN you can “debrief” the new captain any which way you want.

[@marc21256]

@@intheshell35ify I would never fly with you. Your "the right way is my way" attitude is fatal. The FO was trying to assist the captain. The captain killed them. Yet you blame the one trying to help, not the one that killed them both. That is proof of your irrationality and immense ego.

[@intheshell35ify]

@@marc21256 you sure know a lot about me from just 2 sentences.

[@Acrowat40]

was due to “the first officer’s improper decision to attempt to salvage an unstabilized approach by executing a steep left turn to realign the airplane with the runway centerline, and the captain’s failure to intervene after recognizing the FO’s erroneous action,”

[@jf8138]

While both had blame to share, the First officer was an absolute antagonist and had no intention of flying the plane first. His emotions and ego got a hold of him.

[@kalamageo]

So far no one is mentioning division of labor. A lot was made of the PF ( pilot flying ) not being able to manage the FMS. The PM ( pilot monitoring ) was contemptuous of the FP for his lack of ability. In my fractional company the PM ALWAYS manages the FMS unless the FP instructs otherwise. The NFP also works the radios. The FP FLYS THE F'N PLANE!!!! Responsibilities were completely screwed up. THAT led to this outcome.

[@PeterStaniforth]

. . . . . . . And despite their best efforts, they still ended up on the news.

[@drbooo]

Anything that Sporty's supports is fantastic.

[@utah20gflyer76]

200 hours in an aircraft seems like not a lot of time to be the one in charge and at the same time 200 plus hours this guy should have been able to operate the aircraft in a professional manner. The FO was unprofessional and aggressive. Neither should have been flying that airplane that day.

[@cjrindustries9748]

Captain was way behind the aircraft when he struggled to punch in the data in the computers plus the FO mocking him so at this moment their fate was sealed. RIP

[@rallyden]

Pilots like this FO is why bizjet pilots are not viewed favorably in the airlines. This guy probably would not pass probation with attitudes like those exhibited on this flight.

[@gonetoearth2588]

WE WANT MORE VIDEOS! thanks....

[@Straswa]

Great video, thanks for the case studies.

[@chuckwhitson654]

Worst f/o ever. Reckon he beat his wife and dog? CRM is EVERYTHING

[@donaldswett640]

I only have a few hundred hours of Jet team flying, But it seems to me that the older more experienced pilot in the right seat lost track of the mission of getting your passengers on the ground safely his ego of not being in the left prevented him from saying " you're flying great Capt how about I program the box and you keep us on course I'll navigate you fly" in the immortal words of Iceman " you may not like the guy you're flying with he may not like you but in the end who's side are you on".

[@Kaenguruu]

Can someone explain to me how it is possible that someone who seems to be relatively unfamiliar with the aircraft they are flying to be the captain on that flight? This just doesn't make any sense to me

[@imdabeast100]

surely it’s to acquire hours, since they’re in the presence of an experienced pilot. although with passengers and in real weather is questionable (coming from an idiot who’s never been off the ground)

[@toddb930]

"It's not what you know, but who you know "

[@chrisstromberg6527]

Most of the industry is seniority based, that is time with said company determines what seat you occupy, what equipment you fly, what days you work. I sit left seat in a 737 with 18,000 hours and I have had one or 2 grumpy FO's with well over 20,000 hours in the right seat. When you switch airlines or move to another airline, you move to the bottom of the seniority list, your flight time does determine when you will occupy the Captains seat, your Date Of Hire determines that.

[@Darthvader-oc5tp]

@@imdabeast100it’s way to expensive to run these aircraft without passengers or cargo. Airlines/commercial operators trying to make money don’t just have spare aircraft to train pilots on. Most airline pilots get their type ratings(the ratings needed to fly a specific aircraft) in a simulator and the first time they fly the actual aircraft is with passengers and cargo. There’s usually 2 more pilots on board, a check examiner making sure the new pilot can safely fly the aircraft, and another experienced pilot, ready to take over. Although there might only be just the examiner with the new pilot, again, ready to take over should the new pilot make too many mistakes.

[@mickeygraeme2201]

He was hispanic if that helps you.

[@adiakiyes6354]

Upon looking at the figures, it makes sense how the first officer commands in authority thinking like " I have more experience than you",

[@TheMilkman-k7p]

I’m amazed that FC didn’t pick up the tension and lay out more options for a fly around given their altitude and speed…they must have known the plan needed another go around and the pilots both were restored the failure and deaths. This scares me that EGO killed all these souls…nothing more. The captain knew he was in a situation when he said “We don’t want to be on the news” this right their should have had an effect on the FO and should have, with maturity handed over the controls to the Capital and went visual for him. A simply apology would have saved all of their lives. Shocking

[@RRM13]

Hello & respect from São Paulo, Brazil 🇧🇷.

[@muzero2642]

The First Officer is dismissive of the captain from the get-go. Patronizing the captain for wanting to do an instument approach in an unfamiliar aircraft? Terrible airmanship.

[@rymartinez]

*Not* a fan of the recreated CVR transcripts. Just incorporate the dialogue into the script of the video.

[@YodpilotID]

I don't think they are allowed to.

[@NicolasEsparza45]

I’ll never understand how a cockpit can have such bad CRM. This is fucking terrible

[@datdudecollins]

May be a silly question, but I’ll ask it. Why use the actual audio for a portion of it, and reenactment audio for the majority of it?

[@Hedgeflexlfz]

reenactment

[@AirSafetyInstitute]

Thanks for your question! The NTSB does not make CVR (cockpit voice recorder) audio available to the public. Usually the only audio recordings available are calls that are transmitted over the radio. The NTSB does, however, provide a written transcript of CVR dialogue, which we used for this video.

[@JustMe00257]

Instead of blaming any particular individual, which is not terribly helpful in improving safety, one should rather question the company's CRM training and safety culture that allowed such cockpit dynamics to develop.

[@SplashJohn]

I can't help wondering about the FO's career arc, and what that says about his competence. He had 14,401 total hours, including 4,410 on type, he is older than the PIC, yet he's still an FO, not a captain? I'd like to hear from experienced ATPs: does that seem reasonable to you, or strange?

[@etherealrose2139]

Seniority doesn't care about age or flight hours. Unions make sure of this.

[@CLR2TKF]

It isn't about flight experience. Just how long you've been with the company. If your airline goes bankrupt and you're a Captain with 15,000 hours then you will start over as the most junior First Officer at your new airline.

[@YodpilotID]

In corporate aviation oftentimes you switch seats on legs and sometimes you're the trip captain and sometimes your not.

[@ClearedAsFiled]

Unbelievable that a captain would pilot an aircraft without understanding ALL the on-board equipment.....

[@BoxerEngineSounds]

Exactly

[@veganbutcherhackepeter]

Incompetent captain with a jerk as a first officer who can't get over his own ego. None of these guys should have ever been in a cockpit. Unfit.

[@isukatgams]

I sucked to watch it happen on 267 heading to the airport. glad to see aopa making a video explaining it.

[@YodpilotID]

You saw it happen?

[@isukatgams]

@@YodpilotID Yep have lived in truckee for 16 years have seen the Challenger Crash on the golf course and the tbm 960 crash off of glenshire drive

[@isukatgams]

@@YodpilotID The TBM Crash Happened 9 Months Ago

[@isukatgams]

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[@YodpilotID]

@isukatgams where I learned to ski in 1983

[@jbsack]

Thanks for reuploading this.

[@skipssmn3754]

I've been in several very stressful situations in my life and I've felt my mind being hindered significantly by stress. I feel like I can relate to the captain's mental state. Also I'll be honest... There's nothing quite like another human being pissing you off. Especially in a high stakes environment where you can't just call a time out and resolve your beef. What I don't understand is the FOs's final decision to extend the spoilers... That was a death blow.

[@kortisbraun9798]

Most pilots are professional and fly safely These pilots were exception and not the rule Thankfully.

[@EUCPR]

I had to rewind and watch twice because how senseless this crash is...totally preventable and avoidable..I blame both.

[@_Joy_Unleashed]

One word describes this tragedy. *EGO*

[@manfredstrappen7491]

Two captains trying to be ‘The Captain’ = No Captain. Nothing more ripe for mistakes than two captains (or two CFI’s) in the cockpit.

[@w-peter]

...use CRM stricktly and discuss topics in post-flight briefing to make it better next time. ✈️

[@geekygardener1730]

Thank you for this

[@CapitalismSuxx]

Why is a 200 hr Capt while the 4000 hr is an FO?

[@tonybeam]

Precisely my thought. The operator of the aircraft should share some liability for pairing these two off.

[@jaytowne8016]

The FO was likely a permanent FO and for a reason .... He never should have been a pilot at all.

[@mickeygraeme2201]

He was hispanic that's why

[@Username-2]

Because most of these companies operate based on seniority. Meaning hours don’t determine who sits in the captains seat, date of hire does.

[@jaytowne8016]

Based on the FO s lack of professional behavior it is very likely that he was never going to be a Captain, and management knew that or that was their choice... With his total flight hours the reasons he was still in that end of the industry in that capacity is very suspect. The seniority suggestion is highly naive at best since with that many hours that guy had been around the block, for just one point. Odds are he had been around many blocks, and that is why he was still an FO for somebody and blaming the world and everyone he was around for his lack of success...His working against the Captain got him the result he was working towards, whether he knew it or not.

[@mwp1088]

Why not do a straight in approach! Good learning here

[@Herlongian]

When landing a jet, one must fly a stable approach because this ensures the highest probability of not dying in a crash.

[@Cokie907]

Right seat captains....hoo boy. They can make life miserable. Throwing out full spoilers with full flaps in a 36 degree bank? Definitely not a good idea.

[@ganthrithor]

Dudes who fly jets: "I fly jets." ~*puts on sunglasses*~ Also dudes who fly jets: "I don't know how to turn without crashing." Circle-to-land strikes again 😅

[@ThatBobGuy850]

Nice video...and a very interesting accident! I would **guess** that the personality problem that these pilots had began...maybe before takeoff. Clearly, the SIC had a bad attitude. Was it an age thing? Was it the steep experience gradient in that make/model? Or the fact that the SIC quickly perceived that the PIC was not up to speed on the avionics of the jet he was supposed to be commanding? Something. But you can tell that the SIC did not think very highly of the PIC's abilities. If the other pilot in **my** cockpit ever refers to me as, "my friend" even once, we're going to have words. I'm not your friend; you're not mine. It's sad that these two guys could not get along well enough to conduct a relatively "easy" flight. When passengers book a plane with two pilots, they assume that the level of safety is increased. That is not always the case, as this tragedy proved.

[@badmonkey2222]

There's a reason US airlines don't allow circling approaches anymore, that being said these two had no business anywhere near an airplane much less in the cockpit of a high-performance jet. I can't count how many part 135 lear jet crashes have happened due to bungled circling approaches and it's disgraceful that the FAA still allows it..

[@OnYourSquare]

Brutal 😢.

[@BB85253]

The Captain was an idiot and the FO was unprofessional. The FO should have *taken* control of the AC, leveled the wings and gone around in any safe direction. Deal with the BS on the ground, not in flight.

[@johnpro2847]

2:10 the surgeon is unfamiliar with the operating procedure and use of the surgical instruments, so the nurse steps in.

[@stevehuffman1495]

Banking sharply, at high altitude, in a circling approach is bad enough. Seems like deploying spoilers at that moment was a grossly bad idea.

[@WorldTravelerCooking]

One thing I take away from this is that this is why missed approach procedures and criteria should probably be stated on every approach briefing. Plan continuation bias is a real problem and one really has to plan to go around every time to avoid something like this.

[@Rama41]

The only thing worse than no pilot flying the airplane is two pilots flying the airplane.

[@lizettewanzer8650]

Or trying to.

[@tommyrjensen]

Very nice analysis. The pilots' interactions appeared strangely dysfunctional. In particular the FO comes off as an individual who is difficult to work alongside.

[@rethablair6902]

New subscriber here 😊why is it necessary to have attitude with someone ur gonna need to land😢

[@YodpilotID]

You hit the nail on the head. FO was being passive aggressive and condescending. Captain sounded passive and unsure about some particulars. There is a completely different way to approach the situation as an FO that would have saved their lives. 10k hour pilot here. 7500 in jets.

[@darrylr]

So hard to watch, but a great report on a horrible CRM cluster fark. The behavior here of Aeolus Charter hiring pilots they should have had more caution about, and failing to ensure proper training and adherence to safety standards seems a significant part of the problem. I hope the lawsuits against Aerolus dismantles that company and keeps their principles out of the aviation industry forever.

[@gandalf501]

What really gets me is that pilots are still ignoring the stick shaker/stall warnings and continuing their flawed flight path. Doesn't all pilot training reinforce and commit to muscle memory the actions abort what ever they are in the middle of and point the nose up and add full throttle when the stall warnings go off. All flight paths have deteriorated to the point of being unsalvageable when the stall warning happens.

[@joemomma1763v]

Makes my day when a new accident case study pops up

[@KenJames9911]

That was a pissing contest... 😎

[@lizettewanzer8650]

...with no winners.

[@andrewivanov4731]

I said it in the previous video that got deleted and I’ll say it again. The AH attitude of the first officer is a distraction. The real cause of the accident is both pilots’ complete incompetence at using the TAA avionics. There was absolutely no reason to accept the IAP to the short runway and follow it by a dangerous circle-to-land maneuver when there was another IAP available to the desired runway. The pilot’s preference of visual flight procedures and unfamiliarity with instrument flying is evident throughout the flight. For fucks sake please stop flying modern 21st century aircraft as if it’s 1970s. If you can’t reprogram your navigator in flight you don’t belong in the cockpit.

[@bluetickfreddy101]

1st rule Fly the plane. 2nd rule Oh Well you know. 3rd rule Oh geez whiz😂

[@franfran6152]

"We don't want to be on the news" 😬

[@SuperSulus]

When new to a plane, you should exercise conservatism in your operations in every aspect. Go arounds are not failures, they are evidence of good pilot judgement.

[@billysoccerboypayne]

I think air companies should pay more attention to pilots personalities, monitoring much closer their attitude during flights, if pilot and co pilot don´t get along it is a serious risk to passengers and crew, and this accident is a clear example.

[@seraphik]

FO's attitude is probably why, despite his age and experience, he never made Captain. it's all to clear he resents it and took every possible opportunity to assert dominance, with disastrous consequences.

[@PatFarra-t5z]

Why is the Captain inputting the data. That’s the pilot not flying job.

[@SeattlePioneer]

As a non aviator, perhaps someone will explain to me.... The First Officer had far more experience in the aircraft being flown. The Captain didn't appear to have enough experience top be competent to command the aircraft. So why was that situation allowed to exist? I would have guessed that the pilot would have taken the initiative to switch roles with his more experienced First Officer. ??? Shouldn't one or the other haver pressed that issue before taking off?

[@maryanne1367]

I ain’t no pilot but flew lot recreational in small planes with my dad. Even I know they should have stabilazed and go around.

[@toddb930]

It sure seems like the captain would have been the one who made the steep bank angle. Yet the findings state it was the co-pilot. Since the younger person with much less hours, (total and aircraft tupe), was the captain, I have to wonder if it is one of those "it's not what you know, but who you know" things.

[@chrisstromberg6527]

Most of the Airline business is based upon seniority, your date of hire determines when you move to the left seat, not your total hours.

[@mickeygraeme2201]

The pilot was hispanic

[@Username-2]

@@mickeygraeme2201irrelevant

[@SiliconValleyHighValue]

As a lay person, I must say that the actions of the first officer were unconscionable. He literally let his ego, and his need to talk down to a person who is already under stress, kill himself and others!!!!!!! People and their crap

[@jimbo4375]

Passive aggression in the cockpit

[@johnpro2847]

The captain got behind the aircraft, but declined to allow the FO command...even so, landing a plane is not that difficult..providing you go round when you mess up rather than trying to correct at allow altitude,

[@bubbafatas2588]

Hard to understand what was going on here! Is the copilot actually giving instruction which would actually make him the PIC or just a jerk! The captain was clearly intimidated by his copilot which is a situation that would cause a severe communication issue. Putting the speed brakes out and fighting over the aircraft control on short final was the direct cause of the accident!

[@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing]

re-upload?

[@jhoseanhernandez5692]

Se extraña a Richard 😢.

[@ZeroSOFInfinity]

"We don't want to be in the news, do we?" Uh.... about that.. .