"ACCIDENTLY" THE MOST OVERPOWERED TANK IN WAR THUNDER? - T-80BVM

[@OddBawZ]

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[@NewDemocraticMan]

Is it the new decal yet? I've plastered most of my stuff with the original one!

[@whatev888]

Yes please SPAA videos that would be awesome thanks Odd!!!!!!!!!

[@ImBosmann]

please play the T80 and T28e in the USSR 2.3br, they are great fun and you have never done a video on both tanks (40th try)

[@uniquescorpions4802]

If your going to point out “biased armor” let’s not forget the Relict plates underneath the relict bags. Yeah I’m watching you being shady as always. You either do it for views or attention, maybe your just a liar. Be factual or don’t bother saying “bias”

[@Spacko]

Got the Decal, still hate playing the game :P

[@Raigoth]

"The best thing about playing russia is not facing russia." Couldnt have said it better myself.

[@mk88vvv]

lmao

[@capncrispypoo]

Live Air RB Reaction:

[@RedVRCC]

so glad I mained russia

[@villie86]

When you can't beat them, join them.

[@tunguska2370]

The amount of time I playing Russian mirror getting out of hands at top tier

[@MJRSoap]

ERA blocks do provide some kinetic protection. However only (Russian) tanks actually have it modeled, any other vehicle is 5mm equivelant. According to released French documents, the BRENUS ERA blocks provide about 100mm of kinetic protection. In game it's 5.

[@SwissPatriot88]

Another proof like hundreds of others that they make russian tanks better than they are AND even more important, they make the other tanks bad, because they wouldn't stand a chance...

[@MJRSoap]

@@SwissPatriot88 It's not even like this information is still classified, the BRENUS data can be confirmed by 3 different sources, an issue of Janes Armor, the French Military documents themselves, and the Greek AMX-30 trials. All sources that Gaijin has used before.

[@pixula7542]

yeah is so bs that kontakt 1 can block some Depleted Uranium round with more than 500mm of pen

[@duvagr007]

To be fair Kontakt ERA was specifically designed to stop kinetic rounds as well as chemical. It is true that all era still does something to kinetic, but kontakt does a lot more than most. Still should be modeled for everybody else though.

[@LeMeowAu]

@@pixula7542 i dont think the tank in that scenario was the problem my friend, i believe you just got gaijin'd, a universal glitch where projectiles go to the shadow realm

[@sivertkind]

I used to have huge issues with dealing with the soviet tanks like the BVM but after training for a long time, learning its weakspots and keeping my calm and aim really well I can safely say that i still have huge issues with dealing with the soviet tanks like the BVM

[@yspear_]

It's like when you first go against a tiger but after a few time you realized that the ammo rack go boom

[@KorporalNoobs]

Learning to shoot breach and lower plate is only so useful, if rounds just disappear . _ .

[@xirzepelin]

lol

[@ghost0d077]

​@Corp Neo lol I love when you shoot the fuel tank of this thing and there's 0 spalling it just stops the tank not the thing from shooting you😊

[@lars7747]

Or just play Russia and turn your brain off

[@vinx3156]

Odd: Why do people keep asking how i got so good, i literally just shoot people lol Also Odd: Wipes out half the enemy team in 40s, detects every armored vehicle on every distance on every plane of existance, pinpoint shoots enemies for one shot kills going light speed while blindfolded

[@chrisstopher2277]

Could you do that if it was your job?

[@NotSoSerious69420]

@@chrisstopher2277 I don’t know if I could learn this level of skill if I played 10 hours a day every day.

[@chrisstopher2277]

@@NotSoSerious69420 it takes a special person to be able to pay this game 10 hrs in a day. I would become unhinged.

[@smolwavingsnail9028]

Also also Odd: claims to have "boomers eyes" 😂 can see things in tree lines 2km away

[@Rico-v7r]

@@NotSoSerious69420 The secret is Adderall

[@MrIlovetogame]

Its literally impossible to deal with in a stock M1A2, ERA and contact everywhere so your HEAT does absolutely nothing. Hope the BVM doesnt have a clue and you might have a chance

[@juanbait9670]

Use your speed and mobility to flank, "less" protection in the back and sides or enemy tanks. But when shooting at russian tanks in general expect a bounce or the tracks/sprocket eating the shot ect, so reverse as soon as you shoot and pray to RNG for the next shot.

[@Honoer]

@@juanbait9670 yeah I think his comment was more concerning the balance, pointing out the tanks are not balanced. Obviously you can flank, you could flank it with a jumbo and possibly burn it out. But it’s not about being 3x better player you should be tanks vs tanks that are generally equally balanced so you don’t have to completely outplay the enemy. Or get lucky.

[@IanAwfuls]

My advice? Don’t use stock tanks. XD

[@user625FNDA]

I hope they add T90M

[@juanbait9670]

@@IanAwfuls thats bad advice, grind through the pain and adapt to the situation. Instead of trying to kill mbts directly, assist your team by tracking tanks they are fighting and try and focus on assists. By struggling through the dificult parts you get better

[@roguestriker8889]

Balance at top tier has been broken for forever and the Russian line up has just been dominating for so long. Doesn't help though that anytime this is pointed on the forums people just respond with just "well X nation dominated at X time" so that makes it ok.

[@troutwarrior6735]

Also doesn’t help that whenever something disrupts the meta everyone suddenly starts screaming “Germany OP” “USA OP” or hell, even “Japan op”

[@emmanuelchavez7748]

War thunder players when you tell them that video games needs to be balanced, fun and real events do not matter: 😡

[@Haaton-of-the-Basement]

@@troutwarrior6735 As a Japan Main when it's our time to do the funny. Our vehicles do be OP, however when the clock marks 12, The Snail abandon us and we return to the never ending pain. I don't have other nations at Top tier (mostly at 7.3-7.7) so i don't know how OP they can be when it's their time to be the funny.

[@Rico-v7r]

The Russian line up does get more and longer periods of favoritism by Gaijin

[@bobsjepanzerkampfwagen4150]

@@troutwarrior6735 germany is like the fifth best nation for top tier

[@Sacrilege7294]

That XM-803 hit at 04:58 is insane because of the amount of spalling, while your T-72/T-80/T-90 series are just laughing while taking ammo rack shots without detonating.

[@OddBawZ]

Not a single piece of shrapnel even got the crew either! Lol

[@Sacrilege7294]

@@OddBawZ Yeah, it's downright insane how handheld they are. They're not even hiding it, it's just there, downright shameless on the blatancy.

[@thecrab2791]

@@OddBawZ genuine question: Do you think Russian bias exists? Im only at 9.0 so from my perspective, its just seemed like gross incompetence from gaijin but it seems horrible at top tier.

[@rettichdergeile9361]

@@thecrab2791 I believe it does exist, but only to a degree, there are also issues like Ghost Shells, bad hit calculation, server connection problems and actual skill issues

[@hardlylivin6602]

@@rettichdergeile9361 The lack of spalling seems like a pretty big degree. Seeing as though it could make or break a shot.

[@Phapchamp]

T-72/80 series tanks have pure absolute bs damage model ever since they added bvm. You would shoot the tank in the carousel and it would still somehow """""passes between""""" the charges and wont do jackshit. Despite the fact irl carousel covers the entire tank frontally... or a sabot impact against a few hundred milimeters of armor would make the inside of the tank like a damn bee hive sharapnels jumping everywhere. IRL THE CAROUSEL HAS NO GAPS BETWEEN CHARGES IT IS LIKE A WALL EVERY PENETRATION HULL PEN ON T-80 SHOULD BE AN AMMORACK

[@Conraf]

and the relikt ERA pack will eat darts for breakfast (the upgrade covers entire vehicle in chemical protection, imagine You are in your new, completely stock, top tier tank with HEAT. what can You do?)

[@another_humann9588]

Stalin summnons a portal so the round and shrapnel pass through the tank without doing anything.

[@user625FNDA]

@@Conraf Very unfair a stock tank no be competitive as spaded ones.

[@user625FNDA]

@@Conraf Should Ace crew be the same as 0 points crew?

[@Gary_The_Metro]

@@user625FNDA Honestly, yes. ace crew and just in general crew skills are a blatant pay to win mechanic. yes you can technically get it by grinding, but reality is... it's often just pay to win. Because it takes hundreds upon hundreds of hours to get even just one crew to level 150, not even mentioning several. A premium tank can be powerful, but generally speaking they don't necessarily give any extreme OP benefits with a few notable exceptions. A high crew skill reduces your reload rate, increases how fast you turn your turret, how fast you repair, etc. It very actively makes every tank you have orders of magnitude better

[@keno2048]

A short while back Odd asked about whether the standard video or the narrative videos were preferred. I'd kinda like to see a little of both. Like, a narrative intro where he shows off the vehicle in narrative fashion "This, is the T-80BVM, a marvelous work of Russian war time destructive power with xxxxxx armor that's capable of yyyyyyyyy, a xxxxx main cannon that can penetrate yyyyyyy mm of armor, etc etc etc", while showing game footage of the armor or gun or whichever doing the thing that it does. Then proceed to a normal video of game footage.

[@slayedice1647]

So Spartan Elite? That'd be kinda cool actually

[@ericschmidt2085]

i agree with this.

[@OddBawZ]

I’ve done this a couple of times but the editing is very time consuming. It can take me 10-14 hours of editing to get it right. Hard to strike a balance! Spending 8 or so hours on 2 minutes of footage is a lot of time.

[@daniel_f4050]

@@OddBawZ But the ones with "Steve" are incredibly funny. You've got a talent for those funny little intros. It's a shame they are so time consuming as I find them very enjoyable.

[@keno2048]

@@OddBawZ I hear ya... That was just the thought that was in my head, but I get it that it would be a bear to get done. Keep doin your thing dude, I was not at ALL trying to say that I don't enjoy your content the way it is. /salute/

[@Pawniac]

It's not even funny anymore; Shot at 8:27 pens your side and oranges your fuel tank behind the turret but absolutely nothing else. No spall, no ammo, no crew, nothing.

[@marekmazurek98]

What did you even expect, it's a Russian game

[@schrodinger_cat-d9h]

@@marekmazurek98 Skill issue

[@danielpincu6030]

I’m tired of people denying Russian bias. I used to think it was bs and there was none but that was in the ranks 1 and 2. Once you get to rank 3 the armour of Russian tanks is absurdly effective at deflecting shells to the point I just run away from them or try to flank them.

[@schrodinger_cat-d9h]

@@danielpincu6030Yeah, russian armour is so effective at rank 3 that I being one shot in 97% cases of getting hits on my overpowered t-34-85 (it should be a light tank with these 45mm of armour). Even heavy tanks like IS-1/2 can be easily killed in front But if using is-1/2 you drive backwards + know how to angle you can bounce a lot of shells. Just a matter of skill

[@schrodinger_cat-d9h]

@@danielpincu6030 You just don't know where to aim For experienced player IS-1/2 is no more than a free kill with it's 30s reload and leaky armour. Aim to turret cheeks, centre of upper front panel, or the whole lower front panel You can penetrate it, believe me

[@AlexDahl]

One thing I've noticed personally and have seen around a little bit is specifically a lot of russian tanks seem to have issues stemming from volumetric shells where if the turret is moving, even hitting one of these things right in the ammo rack with a KE round doesn't do anything significant, if it even affects the ammo at all. This thing is just so fucking annoying to play against though and has been for such a long time.

[@Agm1995gamer]

Russian tanks in war thunder have anywhere between 10 to 25 percent more armor value than they actually should have, it isn't even being shown in the game. Proven several times by people who calculated the penetration values in game and c9mpared them to real life ballistic testings of russian armor. So basically all russian mbt's are about 15% more armored than they should be and you can't even see the numbers in game.

[@polykidd1817]

Russian bias is real!

[@kasparkallin7229]

@@polykidd1817 YES. Like the dshk mg can just 1 hit planes and russian AI back gunners 1 or 2 hit planes. But there is like a lot of that hidel BS in war thunder like the russian GAZ truck crew not geting hit but in the replay u can see the guy takeing like 50 rounds.

[@OTCaptainSean]

Watch Spooksten's Russian Bias vid he shows that in the game files Russian tanks have spall set to false.

[@aidonger42069]

⁠@@OTCaptainSeanhe was the first to bring it to my attention and I have 2K + hours now. Spookstons a G

[@shadewolfe3131]

To answer your question about ERA, a lot of modern ERA is specifically being designed to be able to counter kinetic rounds as well. This includes Relikt ERA which is CLAIMED (hah) to cut the effectiveness of APFSDS rounds by about 50% or so? I'm not sure about the factuality behind that, but it makes sense for modern ERA to work against darts at least a bit. That being said the lack of internal spalling on the BVM is still silly.

[@Hovis_Enjoyer]

It's designed to, but modern NATO APFSDS such as DM53, use tips that are designed to defeat Russian ERA, and practically render it worthless

[@288gto7]

Bag era isnt relikt it only works against heat. The "relikt side panels" are also completely different than the relikt bricks that you see on the front of the tank which do work against KE rounds. "Relikt side panels" only work against CE despite having the same relikt name as its brick counterpart. Also depends on the round but the general figure i ve seen is 40% which even with that bvms shitty ufp should not be able to stop dm53 out of the l55

[@TheFadZero]

I wouldnt be surprised if the claim about relikt ERA is true. Most tanks we have seen getting destroyed in the ukraine war are from top down attacks or artillery/missiles.

[@288gto7]

@@Hovis_Enjoyer that works against kontakt 5 , not relikt

[@shadewolfe3131]

@@Hovis_Enjoyer There were rounds design to counter ERA, and then ERA designed to counter the counter-ERA rounds. Relikt is the second kind of ERA

[@supersimon126]

"These weird bags here (That are empty irl lmao)" Had me dying and i had to rewind and hear it again. Thanks for a good laugh, Bawz

[@ascherlafayette8572]

Odbawz: bouncing every shot me: instantly loses breech

[@M109_KAWEST]

U didnt mentioned that all the kills he got was because enemy was deaf and blind, and the armor did nothing. the speed and maneuverability + the agressivity did everything

[@raizencore]

I've lost count of the times I've shot the ammo on Russian mbts with nothing happening, a lot of us say stuff like "Russian bias" as a joke but maybe it isn't really a joke. I also would love to see you take out the Type 10, this thing is fantastic and someone of your skill will surely make some great content with it!

[@LeMeowAu]

Ive shot ammunition on countless vehicles with it disappearing of all nations, mainly Germany

[@Rico-v7r]

Russian Bias is definently real. Data mining the game files literally shows multiple buffs for Soviet tanks. Not to mention Gaijin is literally a Russian company with connections to the Kremlin

[@Rico-v7r]

@@LeMeowAu Germany is the second nation with the most bias.

[@schrodinger_cat-d9h]

@@Rico-v7r Skill issue, lol

[@ludio5447]

Maybe becouse you mostly play against USSR, and only soviet tanks can be oneshoted in ammo, so everyone shots ammo and in case of nothing happend think "russian bias"? Try to play against Abrams, Leo's, Challangers in tank assault and shot their ammo from behind, it cant explode either

[@andrewvazzana383]

I didn't realize an apfsds round could spall like that. All the other rounds from other tanks seem anemic in comparison in that respect

[@tyrbaan7295]

Crazy what playing in a Russian tank can do for you in this game.

[@sushiman3817]

I've never been one to call something blatantly op in this game because in general everything you see has some way to effectively and reliabiliy kill it. The jumbo for example. Hit the mg port or the ufp seam and it's dead. But this is the only tank that has basically no weaknesses at all. Useable reverse, good forward gear/acceleration, good thermals, a .50 cal, good round, good reload, unbelievable spall mechanics, and absolutely ridiculous armor. The only thing that could kind of be said is the gun depression, but that's something Russia has dealt with just fine since the start. Bvm genuinely needs to be the first 11.3 tank.

[@HellbirdIV]

Better would be if the Russian tanks in WT were actually modeled internally after real Russian tanks and not fantasy tanks made from pixie dust and dreams.

[@LeMeowAu]

The armor is over modelled i think but the era is fine. Is spall liners modelled into the game?

[@sushiman3817]

@@LeMeowAu the era is kinda ridiculous I think, I hit a bvm at about 30 meters. Side shot and the era are the whole ass round. It was silver bullet too. As for the spall liners, no it just doesn't spall when you hit the sides or lfp at all. You can test it in the protection analysis

[@chief5861]

@@LeMeowAu Gaijin have specifically turned off Spalling for the T Series tanks. They do it from time to time. We first found out about this filthy move when someone found it in the code while data mining.

[@Plant3468]

The only issue with the Russain Tanks is the magic no spall device. I use the Chally 2s and hardly have issues killing them. You just shoot the same weakpoints you would normally shoot, driver port, lfp, roof (if visible same with gunner sight) mantlets are hard to shoot on the Russian Tanks but if it pens, they're fucked by their 7kmh reverse speed.

[@tkg__]

The newer ERA models do have some kinetic protection. The first generation ones found on early T-72/T-64s should only work on chemical rounds.

[@arturbalakhnin9770]

contact 1 is not really used on newer ´tanks only that was unablle to work against cinetic but contakt 5 and all the otzhers are excellent at working against cinetig helping with deminishing the penetration by arround 50-60% and the t72 b3 has contact5 so it works against cinetic and they are not empty or filled with eg carton those seen on video are plastic spacers that give the era on the sides a 60 degree angle so it works more efficeantlly.

[@lifedroid]

@@arturbalakhnin9770 Ukrainian media propaganda at it's finest now everyone thinks that BVM ERA is filled with eg cartons

[@arturbalakhnin9770]

@@lifedroid I mean only idiots that do not know shit or do not have the idea to research something that sound absurd but what a world we are living right now what a world stupidity as a norm and status quo.

[@LeMeowAu]

@@arturbalakhnin9770 bit over contak 5 is effective just not 50-60%, its relict i believe with that much

[@arturbalakhnin9770]

@@LeMeowAu malahit is up to 90% because of longer plates contact was around 50 to 60 and relict was somewhere in between but contact 5 doesn't work against tandem, relict does.

[@zavienyoung7117]

could you imagine if germany or the US had a tank that was as good as the BVM. it would get fixed immediately

[@peachok3564]

Tanks of almost all countries are good at different times. When the abrams were introduced into the game, they were the best

[@zavienyoung7117]

@@peachok3564 yeah i dont care, im regarding right now that russian tanks magically dont allow kinetic rounds to spall. but if it were a leo or abrams, that shit would get fixed in a day or two. thats my point

[@johanapolinarioveliz6754]

@@peachok3564 The problem is, Russia has EVERYTHING, best ground (t series with ERA capable of eat DM53), jets (Mig 27K/M), helis (Ka50/52, Mi28).

[@aflyingcowboy31]

@@peachok3564 The difference is, Russia has had a 70-80% WR at top tier for 1 year now.

[@peachok3564]

@@aflyingcowboy31 the same was for USA top tier teams a few years ago lol. USSR players was displeased. It's all about war thunder - somebody must be sufferer

[@Registered_Simp]

T-80BVM in WT: **Tanks 80% of shots fired at it and proceeds to laugh** T-80BVM IRL: **Explodes upon observation from AT systems**

[@4ik4irik43]

No, you didn’t see the T-80BVM, they showed how 1 tank without infantry cover would lower Ukrainian positions, while receiving 5 shots and continuing to work and shoot back! So do not invent fairy tales! No matter how you cry, but this is a good tank!

[@Registered_Simp]

@@4ik4irik43 First off, when I said AT systems, I was referring to modern ones like Javelin, which has a fantastic reputation among Ukrainian operators. Second off, I would like to see a source for your claim of shrugging off hit after hit.

[@divinesan7786]

Big difference between where the tank got shot: 1 from the front, 1 from the top which btw most tanks weakspot.

[@4ik4irik43]

@T B , lol t-80bvm is not the best tank of the Russian Federation, but it can withstand multiple hits by NATO's best anti-tank systems! Just don’t cry, just think your abrams from napkins explode, but ours are not pierced!

[@mrprism5382]

@@4ik4irik43 put on your cope cages, maybe it will stop a Javelin

[@berndmaier915]

If I am not mistaken the T-80BVM started being manufactured in either 2014 or 2016 for comparison the leopard 2a5 which is also 11.0 is from 1995, I dont get how gaijin figured tje T-80BVM is 11.0 this thing should have started a new br bracket for the most modern vehicles

[@cezarhg2007]

trust me, its not as op as it seems, everyone one shots your lower front plate because its so weak

[@berndmaier915]

@@cezarhg2007 Having your main weakness be the lower front plate is actually very strong since thats the first thing to disappear behind cover

[@cezarhg2007]

@@berndmaier915 well not for me since i enjoy CQC and when im peaking corners usually my engine is in cover and everyone target my massive lower front plate

[@berndmaier915]

@@cezarhg2007 Still doesnt make it any less strong. It has weaknesses and can be killed, like every other tank, but its weakspot is less exploitable than with tanks that have weak mantlets or upper front plates plus its got that weird almost no spalling going on so that doesnt make it any easier to kill

[@_Beans_]

@@cezarhg2007 lmao on every other mbt at top tier the entire hull is a weakspot (except sweden), let alone a small strip of armor at the very bottom of the hull.

[@tmseh]

A T-80 walks into a bar. The bartender says "We don't serve your kind." The T-80 says "So-viet."

[@D4rk3mperor]

ffs I got it good joke lol

[@ExcavationNation]

I can't wait to see the seal clubbing video odd puts out after all this top tier game play😋

[@setaripantheon8801]

Here we have a seal, and here is a Russian made Sledge, let's see how they get along...!

[@hansiminator69]

Heyyy Dude! :)

[@ExcavationNation]

@@hansiminator69 sup bro!

[@silverfortytwo9506]

Bruh the difference in post-pen damage between t3BM60 and every other top tier round is insane

[@heffron25]

Only thing I dont understand - if we have T-80BVM in game why dont we have also new M1A2 SEP variants, Leo2A7 etc. so there is some competition agains BVM. The US top tier is pain with shitty thermals and zero reactive armor.

[@thegamingpieguy2797]

russian bias my child. the shrapnelling, the insane armour of russian tanks, the downgraded armour and dart performance of western tanks etc etc... its russian bias

[@Honoer]

Then how is gaijin gonna paint the russian tanks are better picture they have been trying to do for soo long? We will see the t14 armada before the m1a2 sep.

[@redips8947]

@@thegamingpieguy2797 Braindead teammates when playing NATO doesn't help either.

[@yashma4187]

It's only a matter of time. Gaijin's entire business model is predicated on making people pay to grind. I don't think there is anyway Gaijin won't add these tanks eventually if they have the ability to model them.

[@johanapolinarioveliz6754]

at least USA has good CAS and the ADATS. Germany has regular CAS with the Su22UMK (which was added recently), the F4F is 11.0 with no reason (only 2 AGMs and no homing radar missiles). And let's not even mention the other nations like Japan, or Italy with its starfighter.

[@firecracker7736]

As soon as you posted this vid, I was like “might as well play the bvm, I got a freaking nuke and was never shaking so much because i got it on record”

[@7shelties]

That OP ERA on the side has swallowed so many darts on me. Even DM53 from the 2A6 has disappeared. It’s armor is so broken. It honestly deserves a nerf.

[@TowerJumper]

Look closely. Behind the white bags on the side is another layer of ERA. So its not broken, everyone is just blind af. No joke there actually are 2 layers of ERA, the second layer is just almost fully covered up by the bags.

[@VenomGamingCenter]

@@TowerJumper And it still needs a nerf. Having two layers doesn't take away from that fact.

[@TowerJumper]

@@VenomGamingCenter true, but i just get annoyed when people say its broken because the facts are there, most people just look over it and dont notice the second layer. Because the 2nd layer stops 200mm kenetic, and thats a lot. But yeah it is still russian bias

[@MASB29]

@@TowerJumper that is not how era works, and era that short wont do anything against KE, only the long one. This thing is op and need nerf asap

[@TowerJumper]

@@MASB29 short ERA?

[@rawandmohammed5642]

The issue with t80bvm and other russian mbts are that kinetic rounds dont have any spalling in them , not throught the era blocks, they dont spall even when u shoot them in drivers port or lower glacis, their spalling damage is set to 0 in the files for more than a few months spookston showed this with proof, top tier against russian has been a nightmare

[@dragonmania8853]

The Italian p40 has an apcbc shell with 250g of explosive. One taps everything it pens, even no armor tanks

[@corsairsofnarshaddaa]

And sneaky trolly armor too. I love the P40

[@IcedEmu]

And guess what, its gonna remain the best tank in war thunder despite real world combat proving otherwise

[@288gto7]

"Real world combat" aka ukraine hasnt proven shit about tank on tank engagement. Just repeats what we already saw in grozny in the 90s

[@clausroquefort9545]

the fact that it's easy to kill with modern top attack missiles does not invalidate the resistance of the frontal armor against kinetic penetrators. ERA missing irl is cringe tho

[@WarBomb117]

yes cuz gaijin loves all nations the same ;)

[@clientcomun1958]

@@clausroquefort9545 That shows how incompetent and disinterested they are in crew protection. Easier to send the invaders to space with their turret without it , so i for one am happy they cheapened out on it.

[@clausroquefort9545]

@@clientcomun1958 another popular theory is that they did have the ERA but it was sold off due to corruption. there are enough operators of soviet style tanks in the world that would love to get some top of the line ERA for cheap and the lack of fuel in the initial invasion was most likely due to corruption too - the fuel had either been pumped out and sold or was never even bought with the allocated funds.

[@TrueCanad1an]

Well we've seen enough photo's of Russian tanks with their turret blow off so just add the Javelin to the game.

[@justduro1527]

If they do that pretty much any tank in the game without aps would be doomed

[@zinnsoldat6493]

Soviet tanks were designed to fight tanks,not the mobile infantry with atgms .

[@dylanclark9488]

@@zinnsoldat6493 there's a Stryker with javelins as it's main armament

[@Brian-qj4kk]

javelin is useless

[@bubba9r]

No one will ever be able to tell me , after nearly 9 years of playing WT. That Russian tanks and Heli dont have different sets of damage taken and damage output numbers compared to other tanks and Helis.! lol

[@Rico-v7r]

It's literally present in the game files.

[@AsphaltCowboyUSA]

It’s also present with planes and ships. RU is superior to all other nations. LOL 😂

[@Rico-v7r]

@@AsphaltCowboyUSA Hence the Russian Propoganda (.i.e bias) in the game

[@teemuvesala9575]

I've played since 2013 and while some of that is true, each nation has been OP for a time. I remember when they made tracer rounds OP on American .50 cals, I remember you only needed to scratch enemy aircraft and they were set on fire always instantly. Or I remember how Germans used to dominate tanks completely for a long while. So the bias isn't just for Russia.

[@Rico-v7r]

@@teemuvesala9575 The only problem is Russia is OP more often than any country and the periods last longer. They're also more OP consistently

[@thisguyyyyyyy2723]

5:53 amazing ricochet physics there, Gaijin.

[@EnterTheFenix]

"Russia at top tier is amazing"... WT has made the transition to fantasy genre i see

[@Azerkeux]

Remember when T-34 were bouncing rounds that were as much as 50degrees outside of the deflection window or that the KV-1 and 2 'Accidentally' had 100 extra mm of frontal protection that didn't appear in armor analysis, or that mid/late war Russian tanks were using ammunition developed in the 1990's... Yeah, WT definitely doesn't use their game to stroke national pride or ego at all, that's absurd to even suggest it.

[@blockwood316]

It's as if Gaijin has ramped up the bias in direct relation to how shittily Russian armor is currently performing in their "special military operation".

[@SPrince-t9u]

They are doing great, it's the ukrops getting rekt.

[@MostAmayzingThing]

@@SPrince-t9u Cope harder lol

[@SPrince-t9u]

@@MostAmayzingThing "c0pE harrzdeerr" As i said, urkrops are getting rekt, getting inside cauldrons like sheep to the slaughter. Slava zuccini!! :D

[@infinity67833]

How are leotards, abrams and challengers doin sir?

[@justinw.7045]

This patch has more visual issues than a cross eyed blind man.

[@magisterrleth3129]

With glaucoma.

[@Agarwaen06]

Listening to a Scotsman whilst drinking japanese Whisky is the heresy I just needed today.

[@Twisted_Hades]

Lmao

[@Zack_knifed]

Damn Bawz! I was in this game with you! Ryzon47, I was in the BVM flanking on the right on the first game (Spaceport). I actually took out a M1A1 who was flanking you on the right. Never knew I had you in my team. No wonder we steamrolled ❤

[@Mark-ft7nw]

its unreal and irl we saw all they got in those pouches are egg cartons anyway

[@Polygon-yug-9581]

Hehe, it's quite funny how many people still believe in this myth...

[@Mark-ft7nw]

@@Polygon-yug-9581 its funny how many people still support russia invading ukraine

[@Polygon-yug-9581]

@@Mark-ft7nw I don't really know how that correlates with what I wrote, but sure, mate. ;D

[@AFT_05G]

@@Polygon-yug-9581 Myth?Nah, many Russian tank crews got promoted as cosmonauts irl.

[@Polygon-yug-9581]

@@AFT_05G Your mockery is wasted... Anyway, it doesn't change the fact that what this NPC above me stated is a simple myth originating from a lack of knowledge about ERA blocks and how they actually function or look like. Although feel free to try to prove the "egg carton" myth, I'm waiting. ;D

[@Nertaku_zockt]

Never thought there would be a game, even less balanced than WoT. Gajin be like: "Hold my Vodka!"

[@chalion8399]

It's not just the vehicle is a bit off, Odd usually is playing against sheer morons. I usually get Patton or Wittman to fight against while Laurel and Hardy are on my team, with Abbot and Costello sitting in spawn talking about baseball.

[@enda0man]

Ah Russia, what feels like the only nation where you black out multiple rounds in the ammo rack and still not get a kill

[@pixula7542]

im pretty sure the "russian bias" thing still exist in this game, i played and almost finished the entire ussr tech tree and its so disgusting that some russian vehicle are really under BR, and also some russian ERA are too strong against kinetic rounds. you might be wondering why Kontakt 1 ERA can fully stopped M900. they are russian dev, so i can't complain about that lol.

[@peachok3564]

Not because they are Russian developers, but because there are many players from Russia. In general, when Abrams were introduced into the game, for a long time they were the best tanks, and Soviet / Russian tanks were weak against them

[@LeMeowAu]

If it is a rare occurrence you could've just misjudged an angle or could've just been gaijin'd

[@pixula7542]

idk man, i've played this game for a long time and reached rank 7 on every single nations in the game, so i can tell that russian top tier has the most bullsh*t line up and damage model in the game rn, sometimes i feel bad for ruining people game with MiG-27K & Ka-52.

[@ryzkiguruh2942]

@@pixula7542 idk man i played the Ussr and the only great thing about top tier russian lineup is 11.0 with BVM,27K and 2s6, other than that russian lineup its pretty meh, they also late in the technology departement like only got thermal at 10.0, and they're slow as hell compared to other nation gun handling is bad and Cas is non guided. My point is yes T80BVM is OP, but other than that i dont think russia that conpetitive in the game

[@Rico-v7r]

@@ryzkiguruh2942 Regardless, damage output and modeling numbers for Russian vehicles are all buffed.

[@mauer594]

I've seen several (accurate) computer simulations of what ERA does to APFSDS rounds. It does have an effect, but it's not extreme.

[@edim108]

Relikt ERA was designed to protect against kinetic rounds. It woks in a similar way to HEAT-FS rounds- it has multiple shaped charges going at an angle that upon impact are supposed to push away or even break APFSDS darts. It works really well, but NATO doesn't use that type of ERA bc it poses much greater risk to nearby infantry and is a lot heavier than regular ERA.

[@KaanTechCrazy]

funny how irl, these tanks have milk and egg carton as ERA on the sides.

[@bb-152ussmeta9]

At 1:00 The ERA on the side of the BVM actually does have equivalent of 200mm of kinetic protection, because you only really hover your mouse over the first layer. The second layer is behind the first and looks more like the CONTACT-5 package on the 80U, so you have to actually find it behind the first layer to see it. The best way to see it is if you go into the Protection Analysis and hover your mouse over where the ERA is on the side of the hull, it offers far more protection than the base side of the tank.

[@haydendill6288]

I was gonna make the empty irl joke too XD. Probably going to hang at the lower tier for eva, so neat seeing the top tier gameplay.

[@canned__meat]

I haven't played top BR in the game yet but looking at how damn quick everything is, it's crazy for me 😂😂 I look forward to it but I think it'll be one hell of a learning curve. Awesome video, Odd!

[@848hjhmg]

Top tier is like completely new game. Forget everything you learned in lower BR, And if you dont play russia, you will suffer endlessly!

[@MrSv7dzg]

Last time I played the BVM I was getting bullied by the Swedish Leo

[@marklipsinic7916]

Meanwhile in Ukraine, the real T-80BVMs are popping off just like any other T-60/T-70/T-80 series tank.

[@thespectator2976]

exactly my thought. I call them "polite tanks" they do lift the hat kinda often to the Ukrainian forces :)

[@ReviveHF]

Recently, they also buff the TU4's max speed in Air Assault Arcade, good luck intercept them with ME262. Earlier on, they deliberately nerf the Type99A and F14A, so it would make T80BVM and MIG27 more powerful.

[@AllinWhenPlaying]

It's incredible how naturally and non-effort funny you are. Like Phly in the old days ;)

[@YourBasicPatriot]

Could you do a video on the L-62 AKA the Swedish bathtub. It has so much HE it can kill a B1 or 105 Sherman through the roof 💀 also 1 shot panzers with ease

[@ThatGuyOrby]

How this tank can be allowed while the most modern M1s still don't have their improved armor packages is beyond me...

[@guigasz]

It's supposed to be one of the best tanks in game since is one of the newest that entered service on the Russian military, this being on 2017, and kontact 5 era was designed to stop chemical rounds and severely reduce the penetration on Kinect rounds, but unfortunately that's only modeled on some tanks on WT

[@yomaster12345]

Meanwhile M1A2 cries in no ERA, tiny armor coverage and Gen 1 thermals lmao

[@TheTeehee11111]

irl it's a different story

[@thatregularguy]

Who would have thought a mbt upgrade revealed in 2017 would beat other mbts from much earlier. Exception being the type 10

[@mauswaffe]

The Type 10 is also not very well represented in game. The mantlet shouldn't be a weak spot and the LFP should have spaced armor. That still would be worse protection than everyone else though. That is because the main point of this tank is mobility. Compared to the Type 90 it should have better accelleration but Gaijin made it worse because "they don't know how much better". You'd assume they'd at least make it equal. And the autoloader can reload way faster but I'll just assume that is balancing. So no, the Type 10 isn't worse than other tanks of the time, it just focuses on other aspects. And Gaijin fucked those up in game...

[@thatregularguy]

@@mauswaffe yeah no I 100% agree with you, I was more comparing them based on what year they were introduced.

[@Northern00]

@@mauswaffe welcome to the leclerc gang, been begging for the ahistorical nerfs to be removed for years but the snail will never listen to anyone but Germany or Russia mains

[@StormArmy96]

Imagine being able to watch russian bias unfold in front of you. 4:43

[@wtechboy18]

ERA armor also provides effective disruption of tungsten penetrator rounds, not just shaped-charge rounds. But those two things are about the only thing they're designed for - shaped charge explosives and tungsten penetrator darts. The long skinny penetrator can be sheared in multiple places by the ERA which reduces the effective penetration depth accordingly.

[@TophatnTea]

Watching top tier gameplay of WT (particular on smaller maps) really just further kills my enthusiasm for the game... Did ANYONE who played against Odd have fun? Not likely...

[@projectmjolnierunsc3511]

still to this day i wanna know when tf will the abrams family get their external armour packages like wtaf

[@tyrbaan7295]

When Russia gets its newest overpowered tank, so the external armour for Western tanks can stop like 15mm of KE and 200mm of HEAT while whatever is mounted on their next tank has an APS with 40 ammo that stops all projectiles.

[@RaduAdrian-f7k]

I have started to play War Thunder 2 months ago and after watching dozens of videos from various channels, you were the one who convinced me to play this game and to also play Russia. Keep up the good content.

[@Wafflewerfer-1st]

I’m researching t-90a

[@bigolbrainworm219]

Russia simps will say "Oh but ackshually the ERA was made to stop APFSDS rounds" when in reality it likely does not do that

[@MASB29]

Depends on the type of ERA but yeah, those side bags? I bet it makes absolutely no difference against modern kinetic round, despites its many layers

[@boredanesthesiologist7673]

meanwhile in real life: *turret goes yeet*

[@daniel_f4050]

The question is wether Gaijin will actually do anything about the tank being effectively immune to 95% of incoming fire? Which, if they would be objective, is purely post Gulf War level Abrams omnipotence wishful thinking considering the power of those weapons at War Thunder ranges. Or with they snail it and boost its repair cost to divert attention?

[@tyrbaan7295]

Nah, they'll just leave it as it is. Gaijin just want a tank they can roll around in and decimate everyone without even trying.

[@legotechnictrains8999]

*must be nice not having to worry about soldiers with javelins*

[@TheeActualKeyboardWarrior]

I'd get more shrap with a stock tier 1 French apcr round than an apfsds shell when shooting at a T anything.

[@Modeus_]

Early T tanks can actually spall up until the T-72

[@Brzeczyszczykiewicz1899]

Game: FUCKING bias Real life: FUCKING free frags

[@csorbalaszlo1920]

Both M829A2 and DM53 has anti ERA tip what is not modelled in-game Kinda strange

[@tyrbaan7295]

Only Russian tanks may be modelled "Accurately".

[@josephuschrisb.parages4827]

Odd reached level 100 without playing the tutorial for naval

[@derritter3873]

Alright. I’ve got to be missing something. Is there a reason why Odd has called the Type 10 a Leclerc multiple times?

[@Codename_Horizon]

Had an “are your eyeballs working chief” moment today, as a t80UK passed by a building looking straight at my backend, and guess what, he don’t see me, I did see him, and I shot his engine and tracks.

[@dingoe8841]

Trust a primarily Russian/Hungarian development team to make the Russian tanks effectively the best tanks in the game (not to mention the fact that their ERA is the only explosive armour that has a realisticaly moddeled effective protection effect compared to every other country in game)

[@p3r7urb3dSkumbag.69]

hungary is just a financial safe heaven, if they want to operate in EU they must have an office in EU, that's it. also their bank accounts are in Cyprus because no taxes on businesses. All the design and development is done in ruSSia by mentally disabled high-school students (see sounds development over the years) under the direct supervision of GRU and propaganda dept. they must follow Putler's narrative otherwise they go to jail for 15 years.

[@neural9875]

@@p3r7urb3dSkumbag.69 ahhahahahahah

[@blight6972]

@@p3r7urb3dSkumbag.69 Oml the western propaganda has fucked you up 😂

[@p3r7urb3dSkumbag.69]

@@blight6972 funny how all the ruSSians run to the west when the conscription starts... 2nd aRmY iN tHe wOrLd lEtS aSk iRaN fOr DrOnEs aNd cRuiSe MiSsiLeS

[@blight6972]

@@p3r7urb3dSkumbag.69 Keep crying, and also Russia has heaps of missiles they just don't produced enough drones so they're buying them in bulk from Iran for about 20k each? I don't see a problem with this?

[@aepceo1]

That ERA type deflects and breaks up APFSDS.

[@janchovanec8624]

Are you sure that 50mm of steel is going to deflect and break up a dart that penetrates 800mm + of steel? Before you answer, please ask yourself how much is 2+2 and why does it matter.

[@jbperrinnl]

I strongly suspect the mobility should not be so high with the additional hanging side armor. But of course, that's nearly impossible to prove.

[@notnurfcreanga]

most russian sources use false/boosted information for the sake of propaganda, gaijin knows this and uses it as a scape goat to blame all criticism when people confront them about the russian tanks being op, they know what they're doing, they're conscious about it, they just hope we don't get fed up

[@screwstatists7324]

modules don't do squat when the crews are conscripts ordered to drive single file into enemy lines across an empty field

[@nazargalak460]

this tank looks cool!

[@fairguinevere666]

Not sure if they simulate the composition of APFSDS rounds, but the abrams should have a bit of an edge over some other modern ones as they can use DU which is renowned for its ability to shrapnel and fuck people up.

[@destroyerarmor2846]

Wow

[@blight6972]

Abrams isn't as good as u think irl. they get a good rep because they fight farmers and toyotas with mounted machine guns

[@KittehONaLeash]

it should work on older APFSDS but newer APFSDS were made with defeating ERA in mind. Sanything like M829A1/DM23 and newer were made in mind help pen any added armor thickness ERA might do to the APFSDS. But thats if the ERA even goes off in the first place. The newer rounds like DM43/53 or M829a2/3/4 are made to negate any effect ERA has on the rounds to begin with. SO no they should not work anywhere as good as they do in game.

[@pusheenthecat9264]

OddBawZ is good because he knows about proper placement A tank in the right place at the right time is very deadly.

[@joetuktyyuktuk8635]

Maybe some "realism" should be implemented to restore balance... a 50/50 chance your t-80 spawns with no ammo, empty reactive armor or half crew... not holding my breath, though.

[@LeMeowAu]

Great i would also love the implementation of ww2 german armor being 50/25/25 good, overhardened or iron, and universal engine problems for everyone, can't have the good without the bad, also slight chance in every nation that the tank has a minor missing part, shitty crew commiting theft isnt just for Russia.

[@furikuri6585]

I do enjoy the ironically hint behind the fact that a pretty much broken OP tank wear the "e-sports ready" skin

[@minidingbat265]

I only have Italy and British top tier stuff and I don't really struggle against any top tier Russian tank ( they don't seem bad I just find them easy to kill) . The tanks I seem to struggle with the most are Swedish and German. And the easiest I find to fight is Chinese tanks .

[@emulation2369]

No, you should cry about russian bias!

[@minidingbat265]

@emulation2369 you respond to a year old comment

[@thyunholysinner5389]

I watch your videos to get pumped up to play, 1st game 0 kills 746 deaths. Haha great vid as always!

[@hooywamd00pe95]

Good thing that Russian tanks can be overpowered or even good only in games.

[@KurovasSenpai5]

If you're skilled enough

[@hooywamd00pe95]

@@KurovasSenpai5 Skill will not stop terrible design flaws from having it explode when anything hits it. These tanks are champions of turret launching olympics because they are very bad design not suitable for modern battle field.

[@Ingris1441]

On the Abrams albeit thin but extremely angled upper plate which is at 80 degrees. Shouldnt Sabot rounds just shatter or ricochet off that? Even the main armor plate of the hull of the Abram variants just seem to be auto penned by everything, but not that I know the real classified effectiveness of that armor.

[@TowerJumper]

If you look closely, behind the ERA on the sides is another layer of ERA. (They are like flat plates) These ERA packs is what stops the kenetic rounds. The egg cartons in the white bags only stop HEATFS.

[@bradleyrigby6105]

I love your content, youre better at WT than ill ever be, but my brain cannot shake the image of 'Soap' from MW2 playing the game and im constantly chuckling to myself

[@oliverkecko5953]

Behind the bags on the sides of the BVM and T-72B3, there are ERA panels with 200 mm kinetic energy munitions.

[@M3dicayne]

This tank in game: Unstoppable iron curtain. This tank irl: Rusty coffin with cardboard protection and a turret that likes to play rocket. And I am happy that Russia lives in constant fear of Western ATGM.

[@geniusderweise400]

dont know if this is supposed to be sarcasm but if not you need a reality check that doesnt come directly from Ukraine and the claim about cardboard protection has been disproven many many times

[@M3dicayne]

@@geniusderweise400 No sarcasm involved here ;) And I rely on sources from neither involved parties. Russia has this protection but only a few tanks have ever been fitted with it and even fewer work as intended and a lot have already been destroyed. Also this kind of protection doesn't work against top down ATGMs.

[@BentCheeks]

The bags in real life are spacers that go overtop ERA which is why you see the carton looking things inside of the, ERA doesn’t go inside of the bags

[@gabenchrist7331]

interesting to see that the BVM is the best tank in the game, while seeing how incredibly bad it performs irl. With only around 200 existing, around 20% of them were already lost

[@nguyenminhquan3584]

It is the best performing tank in the entire war irl, what are you talking about? The zerg rush of febuary and march is over and the tank is proving itself

[@camh4656]

@@nguyenminhquan3584 proving itself in Ukrainian hands 🤣 most are captured and shooting at their own makers.

[@geniusderweise400]

@@camh4656 This is just plain false. After the past few weeks people who are understandably pro ukriane but don't manage to disconnect their political view from military reality, seem to be getting a lot more desperate so they fall back more and more to straight up lies and claims presented as hard facts. Everyone who isnt directly in Ukraine know that the early days and weeks of the war only showed that good weapons can seem bad if it is used the wrong way, logistics are stretched and the front is understaffed and the recent events and not so recent news about catastrophic ukrainian casualties have shown that if used correctly russian equipment can be very deadly and efficient

[@camh4656]

@@geniusderweise400 I ain't reading that

[@tankeriv]

Well actually the T-80BVM is one of the best tanks in the world right now. It destroyed Leopard 2A6's with ease in the Ukraine.

[@tankeriv]

@number7red619 well funded and based reply 🤣🤣🤣 Ok.. T-80BVM destroyed Leopard 2A6 from the front 2km with a Refleks missile during the opening phase of the Ukrainian summer offensive. A T-80BVM destroyed a Leopard 2A6 from the side late during the failed Ukrainian summer offensive; A T-72B3 destroyed two Leopard 2A6's from a 2Km distance front / side. And lately the T-72B3M destroyed an M1 Abrams in the Ukraine... But the other way around the Leopards and Abrams haven't destroyed a single Russian tank to date.

[@tankeriv]

@number7red619 i knew the Bradley argument would come up. But the Bradley incident was a very peculiar one. They and not it indeed disabled (learn: not destroy) the T90M3 together. Two Bradleys against a T90M3 that was blind as a bat after its visuals had been taken out by a fpv drone. It succeeded in keeping its crew alive. But it was defeated. That is something that I have to give to you. That all said. I believe Russian tanks are better than NATO ones. But first hear me why that is my opinion. Before this war I was of opinion that Western tanks had the edge just like you are saying. However after reading Ukrainian combat reports and Russian test reports I have come to the conclusion that indeed for except the T90M3 and the T80BVM and some T72B3M models (but not all) the optics of the Western tanks are better. However terrain handling on Russian tanks is simply superior to NATO tanks. (Remark that the French Leclerc hasn't been tested.. So it can still surprise us.) Maintenance is something else on NATO tanks. Wartime maintenance meaning a rough and quick service isn't possible. NATO tanks are designed for fighting in ideal circumstances like they had in Iraq. Flat roads long distances and no ATGMs in mind. (This is why the Russians are so fond of their Refleks missile system, also the first Leopard 2A6 got destroyed by one). The Ukrainian war has shown us that NATO tanks are prone to break down under wartime stress conditions. Taking them off the field causes them to be off the field for a while. That's why after the failed summer offensive all of a sudden... Poof no more Leopards.. Simply they were withdrawn for maintenance. (Those that survived however) This is also why in a sparsely dosed sequence you see one or to arrive at the front again. Only for them to be bombarded by artillery or fpv drones. It was actually a miracle that two weeks ago a T72B3 destroyed an M1 Abrams. I expected them all to be destroyed by drones.

[@evilnigga68]

i think a better description is 'could be' one of the best tanks in the world

[@luggilu7864]

Relict ERA which is on the sides there is meant to also degrade apfsds rounds. Which is why it looks like grates. Basically it sends a bunch of knives at the sabot upon impact to chop it into tiny sabot pieces. Won't completely destroy modern apfsds rounds but will drastically lower their performance.

[@USN1985dos]

The bags aren't actually empty IRL. They're filled with a form of disruptive material against EFP weapons. You can see video of Ukrainian AT4's, Matadors, and NLAWs impacting on the sides with no effect.

[@pinkyfull]

There were some units, particularly around kyiv, who were either not installing the era, or selling it due to the systematic corruption in the Russian army. They should be filled, but there are some instances of it not happening, as evidenced by a shed load of videos of captured t72 and t80's by Ukraine.

[@USN1985dos]

@@pinkyfull I guess they paid for it with their lives. Now that the full extent of the threat is realized, I doubt there are many empty ERA bags on the tanks that have them.

[@Nickl1610]

Game unrealistic. IRL there are literal egg cartons in those pouches.

[@the_average_canadian]

Speaking to the Soviet 'Relikt' ERA seen on this tank, it's specifically designed to reduce the penetration of kinetic rounds in addition to chemical rounds. When the explosive detonates, it forces two metal plates to move sideways as they're penetrated, forcing a kinetic round to have to cut through both the thickness of the plate as well as the length of it, reducing the overall penetration by the time the round reaches the tank's armor. Additionally, the powerful sideways forces have the potential to shear a kinetic penetrator in half, which significantly reduces the penetration of the round. It also defends against tandem warheads on chemical munitions, so it's really an all-rounder ERA system.

[@bruman182]

Well there is nato ammo that can go right through but gaijin will wait as long as they can to add that.

[@TrumpeterOnFire]

ah so I have something in common with a T-80BVM: we're both empty IRL.