Accord Euro R CL7 vs Accord Type S CL9 - K20 vs K24

[@KiwiCarLife]

Turns out I got an important detail wrong in this video: They actually have double wishbone suspension in front, and multi-link in the rear. Apologies, should've checked my sources!

[@jdm-uk-yank]

Thanks for pinning this, I was FREAKING OUT.

[@xcharles1]

@KiwiCarLife are you heaps happier now, with a manual trans in the CL9? Is the CU2 auto sluggish in comparison, and if you have driven a manual in the CU2 - what are your thoughts?

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@xcharles1 I have driven a CU2 manual and tbh it's a bit of a boat with the manual being a bit of an afterthought. It didn't feel bad, and it does definitely have shorter ratios than the CL9 which is nice, but the car so do heavy its definitely no sports car. It is a "nice" car for sure tho

[@The_Noticer.]

@@xcharles1 I think it's def. better to compare the CU1/CU2 with more luxury-oriented sedans than their previous gens. And they are definitely better suited with a V6 (or turbocharger) rather than a K-series screamer. Was thinking about K-swapping my CU1, but the more I think about it, the less it excites me. The 1.513kg car will require more torque I think than the K-engines can provide, especially outside of VTEC. And since it's goint to cost thousands of euro's, that'd be quite the let-down if it doesn't feel fast. The boat-y feel is probably down to the way-too-soft suspension, because it is Double wishbone front and rear, so it's not a bad geometry. Now I have to decide to either turbocharge the R20 or spoon in the J35Z6 of the Acura TSX V6 (same body/chassis) of the same year. :)

[@ClayWong]

When I reviewed the Euro R, I was just so taken away by how epic that JDM K20A motor is. That alone has me on the R Camp.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Oh heck yeah, it's a brilliant motor

[@416rides5]

Honda Accord CL1 Euro R >>> m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/pofQZ42gl9BrrKM

[@WhisperingSloth]

K20A engine is one of the best sounding engine ever. 4AGE is also on this podium. :)

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah definitely - got a mate with a 4age Corolla and it sounds amazing!

[@golf1diesel]

B18C

[@weaponisedpotato7352]

2zzge is right up there.

[@farazmuddasir9221]

@@weaponisedpotato7352 exactly i was about to say that . 2zz ge is also a really good sounding engine

[@farazmuddasir9221]

Mayn u clearly havent heard a 2zz ge screaming 😍

[@ritchiemeza]

the cl7 seats are my all time favorite looking seats

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah they are pretty awesome - a lot more comfortable than the DC5 seats

[@strictlymob869]

Mk4 gli recaro seats are better

[@MrrNacho]

Ngawww this video brings back memories!! About 10yrs ago i bought my 1st ever accord euro n loved it, then i bought a euroR n loved it even more, then my typeR journey started with a dc5R which i sold about 2yrs ago, now i own a fd2R which sadly is going tomorrow to be replaced by the almighty fk8R which i am so extremely excited!. Yes i am a honda fanboy n i will keep buying type Rs for as long as honda keeps making them

[@KiwiCarLife]

Awesome man! I gotta find someone with an FD2 to review

[@melbournejackyjai-euror629]

You should go with RR now

[@jimbojims]

Hell yeah bro My first R was a JDM EP3 civic Type R, I have that still My CL7 Accord Euro R arrived from Japan a few days ago and is waiting at the port for me to pick up. I plan on owning all the JDM type R’s made. Except the Insanely unaffordable NSX-R😀

[@MrrNacho]

@@melbournejackyjai-euror629 those things are so rare and crazy expensive now, around the 70k mark.

[@MrrNacho]

@@jimbojims i never owned a ep3 but would love to so if u wanna sell it? 🤣 And the cl7 euro R is such am amazing car, i personally love the looks of it. How do you import your cars from japan? I bet is a lot cheaper

[@danialshah616]

His face when he changes gear always gets me 😂😂😂

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah lol I dunno why I do that

[@drecarmods]

@@KiwiCarLife the joy of driving haha

[@seanl3424]

Great video mate. CL7R owner here, absolutely love it

[@KiwiCarLife]

Cool! It's a great car for sure. 8600rpm in a family sedan is such a wacky idea

[@mirianmshvenieradze9379]

I have euro r that revs to 9k rpm

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@mirianmshvenieradze9379 awesome!

[@caioronnau5226]

Hey, regarding the euro r, would you be able to answer a few questions I have? in 6th gear at 100 kmph, what sort of rpm are you sitting on? is the seats as uncomfortable as portraited in the video? I am considering getting an Euro R, however I fear that the drone of high revving at normal speeds will make it a not so enjoyable car. Your comment is appreciated

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@caioronnau5226 I've owned a DC5 with recaro sr4's and they are definitely not comfortable because of the aggressive bolstering. They're hard to get in and out of, don't have much cushioning, and they squash your knees together making it hard to just relax. The Euro R's seats by comparison are less aggressively bolstered, however they are still quite hard seats which I don't like. In terms of revs, I believe it sits about 3000rpm. With all stock exhaust and Intake however its not droney at all. My dc5 on the other hand sat at 3500rpm and that was a little droney on the motorway. Hope this helps!

[@Declan14182]

love your channel, had my euro for 1 year and a half now, wish I'd found this channel earlier

[@KiwiCarLife]

Cheers man! Glad you're enjoying it

[@thrillhouse8787]

2006 Acura TSX 6MT owner here! Basically identical to the Euro S with some different interior details (leather, nicer shift knob, dash, and tuned slightly higher here in North America I believe-about 205hp). Picked one up with 145k on it. Really does tick all the right boxes: comfortable, fun-ish to drive, and disturbingly reliable. I wish it had just a touch more power stock is my only quibble! Also my god that Euro R sounds incredible!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Awesome man

[@seangallagher3865]

Get that reflash and you will have an extra 30hp in the midrange. Such a great mod, I should have gotten it when I bought the car 10 years ago

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@seangallagher3865 I did the reflash on mine and tbh I barely noticed any difference except the increase in redline

[@juniorwilliam1624]

Question out of curiosity, does the headlight and tail lights of both models the same? and if there's any differences, what are they? (I'm still looking to see any differences! lol)

[@ransackmaori5725]

I have the 06 euroR sitting in storage, 97k km on the clock collecting dust lol.. moved overseas 3years ago and have missed since, can't wait to holiday home and take it for a drive. This vid made me miss it more 😢

[@KiwiCarLife]

Wow that's pretty cool! Hopefully once covid's all over you'll get a chance to hit some good vtec

[@ransackmaori5725]

@@KiwiCarLife hopefully 😁

[@rogantaylor1885]

Underrated channel. especially nice to have an opinion from the kiwi market for once.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks

[@dontfollowyouwontmakeit8462]

Just to let you know they’ve actually got double wishbone in the front and 5 link in the back that’s what made them such formidable touring cars ❤

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah I corrected that in the pinned comment

[@dontfollowyouwontmakeit8462]

@@KiwiCarLife okay never mind I’m retarded 😂😂😂😂

[@chenpingge]

Euro R CL7 owner here from Auckland, I love my car

[@KiwiCarLife]

Nice!

[@brucezhan208]

i am planning to get one. Anything need to be replaced if i get one ?

[@KiwiCarLife]

@Bruce Zhan just give it a service and replace stuff if it breaks - these cars are dead reliable with few known issues like porsche's ims bearing or bmw's water pump

[@caioronnau5226]

Great video. I mentioned in a comment a few months back about the review of the CL7R and now you finally got a chance to do it.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah I remember that! Had a few other people comment saying they wanted a Euro R vs Euro S video so thought I better make it happen.

[@Kr0n3kLe]

The Euro R trans hooked up to a CL9 motor is a lot of fun as well

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah that's what I want to so with mine

[@Leonhart306]

Thank you so much for this review. Overall, I think I like the Type S.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah all good man

[@christopherconway2185]

Excellent commentary as always!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks!

[@dylananderson7110]

Awesome comparison, thank you man.

[@KiwiCarLife]

No problem man

[@TassieLorenzo]

It looks like the same bodykit as the Euro-R was used on the Australian-market Accord Sport I think? Same wheels too by the looks of it? :)

[@KiwiCarLife]

You are correct, and the jdm type s had it too

[@junggyuszko]

It's actually double wishbone on the front and multi (5) link on the back, have another look, mate! No crappy MacPherson like Civic/Integra

[@KiwiCarLife]

Should've checked my sources! My apologies, you are correct.

[@TassieLorenzo]

@@KiwiCarLife You could've looked under the wheel arch mate! :P But that's alright. These Accords have way better geometry than the EP3 & DC5. :)

[@brendanburns9857]

if im not mistaken, euro r calipers are aluminum and the type s is not

[@KiwiCarLife]

Could be who knows

[@AE92FX-GT]

I have a CL7R 2002 only has 80k on clock, I love my car so much! Just recently have transmission fluid changed. clutch sensor dead few weeks ago, maybe it is one of the common issues on this car.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Nice - certainly a rarity with that many k's - hold onto it man! It'll be worth some dosh in a few years

[@AE92FX-GT]

@@KiwiCarLife got 3 cars at the moment, barely drive it...

[@aldiezuniga1086]

Is this Top Gear? lmao Love the content! From Auckland btw

[@KiwiCarLife]

Cheers man

[@nikolazivkovic8146]

In Serbia (Europe), CL accord with k24 had 2 trims. TypeS, exactly the same look as euroR, with k24 inside and MT, and Executive, pretty much bare bone exterior (no lips, and spoilers), same grill and wheels as euro S in video, followed with leather interior, sun roof, heated auto seats, and all that luxury stuff. I first time see in this video this euro S version, and it looks wierd to me, kinda like executive and typeS hybrid

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah it is a bit - we don't get the type S here

[@NowIknowCh]

What if you put same gear ratios and lsd into cl9?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah there's a guy on YT called BrainsWorld who did that - looks like a good combo! First for me tho is a tune to liven up the top end of the K24

[@golf1diesel]

@@KiwiCarLife cl7 is lighter and will corner better anyway

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@golf1diesel Not necessarily, at a skeleton level the CL7 and CL9 are virtually identical - it's not like the Euro R has heaps more aluminum to shed weight. Stock for stock the CL7 has firmer suspension, but some lowering springs in the CL9 can easily square that up.

[@golf1diesel]

@@KiwiCarLife lowering springs ruin the geometry of the car up,don't they.I have eibach springs on my fn2,had them on my 1.8 i-vtec mk8 Civic as well

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@golf1diesel I dunno mine handles real good with teins

[@あろうず-c3l]

Greeting from JPN:) Awesome vid. I have my 05 euro R, but I’m really interested in your euro S. Because JDM 2.4L accord called “type S” doesn’t have manual gearbox...

[@KiwiCarLife]

Oh! I didn't realise your type s didn't come in manual.... It's a great car for sure

[@keithlieuwon]

Also have Jdm typeS that came auto from factory, bought a whole car out of UK for all the parts to do the swap

[@maxxibro]

The manual CL9 is actually renamed as Honda Accord CL9 Sport in New Zealand. It specifically made for Australian and New Zealand. They don't exist in Japan. This is similar to The US version of Acura TSX CL9. This is why Japan never had the option of a manual CL9 from factory.

[@AK-Star007]

euro r is good. my father had 1988 accord with A16 engine, best low to mid range torque i ever have driven.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah nice! Got a review on one of those old accords coming soon

[@choiceparalysis]

Is the "Type S" CL9 actually different from a standard Euro/Euro Lux, or is it just the one in AU/NZDM?

[@KiwiCarLife]

It is different yes, has a k24a2

[@choiceparalysis]

@@KiwiCarLife So less kw? AUS/NZDM got the K24A3 @150kw

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@choiceparalysis k24a3 is 140kw, k24a2 is 150kw

[@choiceparalysis]

@@KiwiCarLife The Honda K series wiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_K_engine has it listed as: 197 hp; 147 kW @ 6800 rpm for the JDM Type-S and 150 kW; 200 hp) @ 6800 rpm for the Accord Euro AU/NZDM

[@choiceparalysis]

Ok I did some research, it is 148kW in AU/NZ for Accord EURO, 140kW elsewhere, Type-S JDM offers 153kW.

[@tanyaryan5281]

Gotta love that vtec cross over on the euro🙌 Has anybody on here put a turbo on their cl7?Iv totally stripped the car down to do a full restoration and even though I love that fresh out of the factory look...its time for some changes like More power, gt wing, vented carbon bonnet that kind of vibe ...I’d love to know if people recommend a turbo kit or custom kit ?any advice is welcome 🙏

[@KiwiCarLife]

Sounds like you've got quite the project on your hands! In terms of turbo kit I'd be about the worst person to ask for advice haha, but I'm sure there'll be someone on here that has experience in that area

[@tanyaryan5281]

@@KiwiCarLife lockdowns got us doing crazy stuff 🙈🙈🙈🤣 thanks for the reply really appreciate it 🙌

[@lillyanderton3620]

@@tanyaryan5281 im about to turbo my cl7

[@momentosdude2565]

hey bro just to be abit blunt ..your silver accord is a executive model not type S ...but great reviews

[@KiwiCarLife]

I know it even says in the title and many times during the video that it's a Euro S...

[@blackrainblackrain2080]

Yes sir I have a regular 2005 tsx and it's still all good with 2,01100 miles on her lol!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Not bad!

[@justintran9134]

Just curious on the steering feel of the two cars. I find one of the CL9s weak points is the steering stability can be a bit lacking (ie. Car tramlines) and isn't the most precise. How does the CL7 EPS system compare?

[@KiwiCarLife]

The Momo steering wheel feels a lot nicer, smaller wheel so easier to make quick adjustments. I'd really have to get them out on track to notice any difference tbh. Euro S is definitely a heavier rack but isn't necessarily more direct feeling, and definitely tram lines as you say which is very annoying

[@maxxibro]

My CL7 euro R steering is very direct and responsive when turning. It responding to every subtle changes of steering position. But I can't say this for other Euro R CL7 though because of my suspension set up isn't the same as a lot of them. I kept mine at good height and the car came with factory optional Mugen Suspension. The ride height wasn't as low as lowering springs or the adjustable but for me it is perfect for daily usage.

[@a_dubs_]

Im guessing the NZDM Type S CL9 6 speed has the same ratios and FD and the USDM TSX CL9?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Nah different

[@ArunaVidu]

Hi, I am curious about the fuel economy of your type s? Stock vs modified

[@KiwiCarLife]

Hasn't really changed

[@gambit_toys6554]

Nice review! It seems each car has it's own flavor. Pick the right one for you. :)

[@KiwiCarLife]

Indeed

[@v.nikiforov]

I also recommend you to turn attention to Torneo EuroR. And to compare it with both of these cars. ;-)

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yes got that in the pipelines too!

[@hemri3432]

dude, euroR also have cruise control with the momo steering

[@KiwiCarLife]

I've never seen one

[@hemri3432]

@@KiwiCarLife there are 4 spec, 1) basic as the one u show in video, 2) with the smartcard only,3) with GPS only, and 4) last one with both GPS and smartcarf. The last one will have the cruise control as standard and rear spoiler similar to your type S

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@hemri3432 hmmmmmm I dunno, I've certainly seen euro R's imported here to NZ with nav but never with cruise. Only ones I've seen with buttons on the steering wheel are for speaking to the nav system.

[@hemri3432]

@@KiwiCarLife sorry my bad, not navigation but smart card 🤣🤣🤣, and yeay u are correct they are not cruise control, its just a voice activation button. My bad 😅

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@hemri3432 All g man

[@byronleung5402]

Nice video, if you try a tuned one you will fall in love with the Euro r more !! (Euro r owner in NZ here) 😉😉😉😉

[@KiwiCarLife]

Indeed I'm sure it's very tasty

[@kanefowler434]

Hey tune you have if you don't mind me asking?

[@thrasha7992]

I have the Cl7 euro r but mine has a nice gt3076r turbo on the engine,twin external wastegates,1000cc injectors, aem wideband controller, epman adjustable fuel pressure regulator, custom sidewinder exhaust manifold, custom 3 inch exhaust system, front mount intercooler, hondata kpro v4 ecu, stock internals,dyno tuned 265kw 8psi😁

[@KiwiCarLife]

Good grief! Sounds expensive hahah

[@thrasha7992]

@@KiwiCarLife no not at all bought it for 11k turboed dynoed and fully certified 😉

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@thrasha7992 by any chance did u buy my mates car with the plate like ERK843 or something?

[@thrasha7992]

@@KiwiCarLife yup that's the bugger

[@thrasha7992]

@@KiwiCarLife what's ur mates name

[@Macau1]

I wonder to all those people who said the Euro R won’t stand a chance as soon as you flash/remap the k24 Euro S, how many of them has actually driven a Euro R to say

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah agreed - sure the Euro S has potential but the Euro R is no slouch that's for sure

[@theshansingh]

how come my '08 has a K20Z2 and not a K20A? I'm from South Africa

[@KiwiCarLife]

CL7 refers to any Accord Euro with a 2.0L so can refer to K20A or K20A6 or K20Z2

[@sugarrfree]

Masterpiece of a car so the accord was

[@KiwiCarLife]

Indeed!

[@benjaminwingchun9665]

R comes with color coded door handles, as all the euros have chrome

[@KiwiCarLife]

True

[@jaradchand3806]

hey just a quick question, do accord euro R catback systems (like the legalis R exhaust system) fit base models accord euro luxury (03-05)

[@KiwiCarLife]

In theory yeah? The exhaust system on the euro R and CL9 is basically the same I think. It's just the base 2.0L ones that are different because they only have one tip

[@amg190e5]

I think EuroR's recaro seats is setup for japanese body shape. Or the recaro seats cushion in this EuroR are bad conditions.

[@KiwiCarLife]

The seats seemed in decent shape on this one and for me there's nothing wrong with the shape of them. I fit fine, as opposed to the DC5 seats which squashed my torso and legs in. The main thing is there's no cushioning. You get in and it's like sitting on a church pew. Whereas the CL9 seats as I said are "squashy". Also I've found with all recaros there's little back support. Legit I'm still having lower back problems to this day thanks to 9 months in my integra's recaros

[@SolarMoth]

what model years are these cars? They look outta 2006

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah they're both 2006

[@championxxlNL]

I do feel a high revving k24 would have made more sense for this car. Something like the Frankenstein k series build but then oem. Don't get me wrong the k20a is an amazing engine but it would have compensated a bit more for the added weight. Granted I have only driven the type s and the k20 is the lighter honda bodies not in the accord.

[@KiwiCarLife]

That's true, I personally find the K20 pulls the Euro R just fine, and it is the traditional Japanese way to arguably put an engine "too small" in a car, but that revs really high to make power. But yes, in the aftermarket scene, a K24 frank build is the way to go.

[@najmaadam4010]

The euro S he speaks of is available in South Africa as a Honda accord cl9 executive. The type S has the euro R trim and body kit excluding the seats . Imo once you flash the k24 that euro R simply just won't be any competition , even on the track with that LSD I'd still put my money on the type S. The 2.4 engine is the one to have .

[@KiwiCarLife]

Hmmmmmm I dunno, the reflash certainly doesn't add 30hp, and the Euro R has shorter ratios... Sure the K24 has more potential for upgrades because its not as highly strung from factory, but I think you'd have to put a euro r gearbox and diff in it, along with a CAI, headers and tune before you start making euro r power levels.

[@hansscar3592]

@@KiwiCarLife I got a CL9 Accord Type-S, my "mods" are K&N cai, serge bo headers, fox cat-back exhaust and a reflash. Before the reflash with the mods on i was making 213 hp after the reflash i was making 225 hp. Believe me the reflash is worth it! Even without mods. You'll be able to engage VTEC much earlier, mine starts at 4.500 rpm, and before the reflash it started at around 6.500 rpm.

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@hansscar3592 Very nice! Some good gains there

[@monojhqm]

Hopefully I can come across a CL7 Euro R in Canada, I've been trying to buy one for so long..

[@KiwiCarLife]

Won't be cheap! Tbh I'd just get a tsx and mod it. Euro rs have no torque

[@monojhqm]

@@KiwiCarLife I do have a tsx but I kinda want to own a Euro R too :D

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@monojhqm Ahh yeah got that k20 fever

[@ALLCOMPTON]

I have a question for the cl9/cl7 community... My 2005 cl9 acura tsx is worrying me because of high Air Intake Temperature. My (A-I-T) ranges from 113-130°f with 70-90°f ambient. Can you tell me what your air intake temperature is? I think this is not normal because other vehicles I've gauged stay around 10°f above ambient temperature. I noticed in this video that the intake on one of the cars has tape around the intake hose and im wondering if it is normal for this vehicle to have a hot air intake???

[@KiwiCarLife]

Not sure sorry man

[@junhaozhang533]

wellington?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yes

[@funkycarlover]

I have a US spec accord 7th gen but wow… I gotta say I’m jealous of that Euro R

[@KiwiCarLife]

Mmm yes it's lovely

[@clashclans6197]

Hey Mate, how do the Auto Type s accords run compared to the Euro R?

[@KiwiCarLife]

The Auto ones are nice, but they've got very long gears, and only 5 as opposed to 6. As a result, they've got a bit of grunt, but it's hard to keep it in the powerband with a limited gear selection and long gaps between them. Tbh it's hard to compare them

[@clashclans6197]

@@KiwiCarLife Okayy, Guess I'll look out for Manual's! Thanks Mate!

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@clashclans6197 yeahhh the manuals are a lot better hahah

[@jamesanderson2921]

I had an auto Euro S. Nice car to drive but the auto's are notorious for giving up the ghost. Apparently it is recommended that the transmission fluid and filter changed every 40,000km. Which I found out the hard way when the gearbox packed up.

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@jamesanderson2921 oh bother, yeah 40,000km for an auto trans is probably standard for any auto box tbh

[@rcast3763]

The type r on stock exhaust?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yep both are

[@rcast3763]

@@KiwiCarLife wow that sounds good. By the way, great content mate! Keep it up👍

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@rcast3763 cheers man!

[@soniq291]

Can you do a rolling race now with your new set up vs the euro r?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Just organizing one as we speak! Will have to be after lockdown though

[@soniq291]

Any chance of doing a build cost video as well?

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@soniq291 got that planned too! You read my mind

[@danepaulsen367]

Our Accord Type S exterior looks exactly the same as a Euro R here in South Africa 🇿🇦 i have a silver 1🥰

[@KiwiCarLife]

Nice! Yeah all Type S models do - my silver one is an Accord Euro S

[@jean-claudedavis7024]

@Dane Hi there. Are you looking to sell?

[@trippy_bananaz638]

hey man a lot of people say that the euros are good but the only problem is that the gearbox isnt good can i just get ur opinion on that because im tryna think if ur always slamming the gears and killing the car the gearbox is gonna break but if u dont is it still good

[@KiwiCarLife]

The gearboxes on these are fine? I dunno what you're on about. They can handle a lot of power

[@shaneellison3562]

That all depends what lemon u end up buying haha i own a cl1 and the gearbox has taking a hiding for over 13 years and is still rather smooth yea i had to replca the clutch but there gearboxes are made strong

[@KavinFan0803]

You ever gonna review 8th gen civics?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah got a Mugen RR I might be able to review

[@KavinFan0803]

@@KiwiCarLife Oh wow where are you finding these rare cars lol, NSX and then a Mugen RR? Would definitely want to watch that.

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@KavinFan0803 customers at work who I've come to know (I work at Honda)

[@Esdru221]

Dude, how you dont know yet, in 2020, that you haaave to get the 2.4 reflashed?? Do it and you wont notice a Big difference with the euro R

[@KiwiCarLife]

I do know, just haven't got around to it yet

[@155stw]

@@KiwiCarLife flash it and remove the big resonator at the end of the intake. Works well on my 06 TSX. K20 is a bit too small for the heavy CL9, ok for the FD2R.

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@155stw yeah already done that on mine, haven't noticed that much of a difference... I got a Serge Bo tune, everyone seems to be saying I should get Hondata or something better...

[@155stw]

@@KiwiCarLife I saw someone posted Hondata vs Serge Bo’s tune, Hondata has more power. Maybe Serge move the VTEC crossover point lower making it feel more responsive. I got the Hondata. Also at the end of the intake tube in the bumper area, l Installed a big bell mouth, sounds less deep but racier.

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@155stw I see, so do you reckon its worth spending heaps to get it retuned again? Or just stick with the Serge bo and get an intake, headers etc.

[@tsxtuning4079]

Cool video bro.. tbh u inspired me to start my own channel. It’s all about DIY MODS for the tsx .,, I appreciate your hustle and thanks for putting out amazing content!!! Thanks again🔥🔥video

[@KiwiCarLife]

Nice man!

[@chrispraz5198]

Another interesting Accord is that sir-t with the 2.0Ldestroked H.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yes

[@bblaccck15]

Does any else accord drink petrol fast

[@KiwiCarLife]

How fast is fast? Mine usually (if I'm not thrashing it round for a video) gets about 8-9l/100km which isn't half bad

[@TassieLorenzo]

Compared to a Prius, yes, compared to a Commodore V8, no. It's all relative. :)

[@motleydude73]

I once got 6.6l/100 out of mine so no. That was after a lot of long hot running. My average was around 7.5. Pretty good for a 2.4 auto.

[@onamissionltd]

the spec of your Euro S looks more like an exec in the uk the Type S here has the red dials a full lip kit and metal gearknob

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah it is, just easier to say type s becaude it's a bit more universal for a K24 Accord

[@lukearnold6896]

Bro if I want to drive my cl7 euro s

[@KiwiCarLife]

Wot?

[@lukearnold6896]

Yeah bro if your every in papamoa or Auckland u can bro its has some basic mode

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@lukearnold6896 Ok mean as will let u know

[@stevengelling5616]

Best car I ever had was my 2003 Accord Type S (I'm in UK....Type sounds better than Euro lol). Stunning looking vehicle and still stands up today to my eye. When they redesigned the Accord in 02/03 they stopped the Type R. Sometime in the future I'll get one on import. I know I may as well empty my wallet down the drain, but I don't care!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Would recommend the euro r man you’ll love it!

[@wb3ds390]

Thought i reckonized the roads Johnsonville 💯

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah brah

[@paulstevens9409]

The 2.4 type S engine is very de tuned. As soon as its re mapped its game over for the euro R, the K24 has so much more power and torque

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah figured - more displacement in theory means more potential - I definitely noticed a difference after I returned mine

[@harukine]

Need to add the Acura TSX into the comparison!

[@KiwiCarLife]

I would if we could get em here - to us, the Accord Euro is the acura tsx...

[@harukine]

But the interior is so much better

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@harukine than what?

[@jakes2326]

do you mean Acura TSX?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Same car - Just called the Accord euro here in NZ

[@yahtadi5152]

Please do review that euro r!

[@KiwiCarLife]

I did in this video? Or do you want more of a standalone review?

[@yahtadi5152]

@@KiwiCarLife of stand alone review mate

[@travismarshall1481]

So this is a NZ new Euro S. The JDM Euro S is higher spec with a more powerful engine etc.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yep

[@soldier7_]

You should compare both with a 6 Speed 07-08 Acura TL Type S 😁

[@KiwiCarLife]

Would totally be keen as I think the TL is an awesome car, but alas its for the us market only

[@soldier7_]

@@KiwiCarLife Oh dang, I wasn’t aware it was only available to the US market :/ keep up the Good Videos 👍🏽

[@wing0291]

This cars are collectibles now bc low sales in the united state I love my tsx 2005

[@KiwiCarLife]

Nice - tsx has the better engine than ours too

[@wing0291]

Basically the tsx is a type r k24 dtune from the factory Honda dirty little secret and i make little kids looking stupid with my supercharger k24 2005 tsx

[@oneshot-po9qk]

I searched over a year for a 08 tsx in Ontario Canada. Picked up a mint 05 with 144k km 6 speed manual. I've seen bidding wars for the first gen tsx and 08 tl type s. They don't make them like that anymore sadly.

[@wing0291]

@@oneshot-po9qk well i have my tsx and I am not going to sale it bc they getting hard to find and my family loves my tsx we use it in the weekends or some doctors appointments for my parents and the rest of the month we use the crapy car for everything and the first generation tsx will be classic cars soon so i only will drive my tsx on weekends this cars are going up in price bc the k24 they have and history off racing so if you got one get a crapy car and put the tsx in the garage

[@ae86conor]

Good video....in my opinion if ur over 65yrs old buy the Type s if not buy the Euro R and live a little😁

[@KiwiCarLife]

Eh that's offensive I've got a Type S and I'm not over 65 😂😂

[@ae86conor]

@@KiwiCarLife 🤣🤣

[@butterz3488]

meet you round Makara mate! CL1 all de way lol

[@KiwiCarLife]

Wait so you've got a CL1? Or you want to meet up? or the CL1 is the superior car? I'm confused haha

[@jardinboot4845]

@@KiwiCarLife AS a drivers car , the cl1 has a more raw feel to it . good old school vtec engagement , no traction control or stability control . smaller , lighter and same power as the Cl7 . Think of it like a slightly bigger more powerful db8 itr

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@jardinboot4845 Haven't driven it so can't make a comment but from what I've heard it's an epic car

[@skux93]

Subaru legacy bl5 vs euro r

[@KiwiCarLife]

On the way bro! Pitching a Legacy 3.0R 6mt up against my Euro S sometime in Dec

[@Petozzi]

euro r sounds so good

[@KiwiCarLife]

Indeed

[@TheMastersWayTV]

Both facelift and Prefacelift eu Type-s and Euro r look identical. Your grill is not a Type-s grill.

[@KiwiCarLife]

My car is not a type s either - merely comparing K20 vs K24

[@TheMastersWayTV]

@@KiwiCarLife I can see, was just confused with the 'Euro S'. back to the comparison... K20 for fun, K24 for long distance/daily driving ;) Both great motors

[@TassieLorenzo]

I think in Australia, the Accord Euro Sport also got the body-coloured grille like the Euro-R (as well as the bodykit, the wheels and the shift knob).

[@trippy_bananaz638]

great video but i love it

[@KiwiCarLife]

Good to hear!

[@leodoingthings1706]

you should get GPS for acceleration times, stopwatch is irrelevant. IF you make car videos, invest into this. Like dragy

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yes agreed GPS would be better but they cost an awful lot of money

[@leodoingthings1706]

@@KiwiCarLife about 150$:D

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@leodoingthings1706 not here the cheapest one I found was $800!

[@leodoingthings1706]

@@KiwiCarLife dragy 10Hz GPS Based Performance Meter. Put this to google or go to burgertuning dot com and buy there its around same price

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@leodoingthings1706 oh yep nah its all good I bought a second hand racelogic vbox for $300 - you're probably right, it's a good investment for future videos

[@abaj006]

I'm quite sure they both have double wishbone on the front.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah mentioned that I got that wrong in the pinned comment

[@maxxibro]

Man, you could have used a more decent Euro R engine bay. Or at least have it cleaned 😅. If have you want, I have a black preface lift CL7 euro R if you would like to review it. I have a tidy one in Hamilton.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah I know it wasn't the best, but I just took what I could get! Cheers for the offer I really appreciate it, but now I've reviewed this one, probably don't need to do another...

[@maxxibro]

@@KiwiCarLife let me know if you changed your mind. I'm from Hamilton. My car is one of the first CL7 but it has Spoon ECU and Mugen Suspension plus a lot more. It was built for handling over power and practicality for daily. It has been tastefully modified.

[@maxxibro]

@@KiwiCarLife Overall review, it is quite on point on a lot of things.

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@maxxibro cheers man! Sounds like you've got quite a tastefully modified car

[@maxxibro]

@@KiwiCarLife I'm keen for you to come and experience it yourself :)

[@skydive7054]

honestly, if i saw a carmeet specifically for the cl7 and cl9 accords, i'd bringmy TSX there just to annoy ppl with an acura

[@KiwiCarLife]

You wouldn't annoy anyone haha - it's basically the same car with a different badge. We'd love to have you along

[@skydive7054]

@@KiwiCarLife true, XD

[@enigmaticcruz2483]

LSD in the Euro R is the true difference maker between the two cars.

[@KiwiCarLife]

It definitely helps

[@dannyhefner]

What’s a Euro S? Isn’t it “ Type S “. Would make more sense calling them Type R & Type S. Also your comparison is misleading. Theres a Type S version with the same honeycomb grill & lip kit. The lip on your Type S is more of an Aspec style lip kit.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Euro S has 140kW K24A3, Type S has 148kW K24A2. Type S is only sold in Japan, Euro S is sold in NZ, AUS and Europe. It's called a "Euro S" because they came in two variants the S (base model) and L (model with leather, HID's and sunroof etc.), hence Euro S and Euro L. Type S and Type R are JDM only. The thumbnail has Type S in it because I couldn't find a logo saying "Euro S" but either way the difference between the Euro S and Type S is a couple of styling differences, and a negligible amount of power.

[@trippy_bananaz638]

ofc its gonna be sluggish around 3-4 thousand rpms after 5 is when vtec kicks in

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah

[@jscarter600]

Dude yes the seats on the Euro R, Are very annoying at times. I honestly miss my type s seats. But The Euro R is a way much funner car.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yes agreed

[@FireManiac58]

I can't find a single type s accord manual on trademe or facebook, I think this video must've influenced everyone to get one haha

[@KiwiCarLife]

Wanna buy mine?

[@streetrider2487]

but....my S60 T5 will crush even the Euro R .....and insurance is cheaper and way more comfy. how?

[@KiwiCarLife]

They're not really competing cars... volvo is cheap insurance because it's very safe and unlikely to be stolen, and ofc it's faster in a straight line coz it's n/a 2.0L vs turbo 2.5... on track tho I'd back the euro r over a boaty volvo

[@streetrider2487]

@@KiwiCarLife what if i switched the volvo suspension to coilovers and tune the brakes hahaha. and possibly lighten the entire car. I think then it wouldn't be a fight.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Again, your volvo does not compete with the accord. It competes with the bmw 335i, audi s4 and Mercedes C43, and against these cars it is greatly overshadowed (hence why no one buys them). The euro R competes with the Mazda 6, legacy 2.5 and Toyota camry. The euro r has much better double wishbone suspension design not strut, lsd, stiffer suspension and arb, manual not aisin auto, much lighter. You can do what you want to your volvo and it would be walked on through corners. It's a luxury car. And remember, you're only making 180-190kW. Given the euro r is 162, I'm not convinced the extra power is enough to overcome the weight penalty even in a straight line. I think if you came across a euro r wanting to race, I'd be holding my breath.

[@jaimecenteno1747]

Best car ever made by honda ❤

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yessss I agree

[@goforbroke2]

I have a USDM 08 TSX 6-speed with the 2.4 motor, I would NEVER want the 2.0L engine in this 3400lb car. Mine has Hondata and a few other goodies, completely transformed the car. The gearing is what hurts this car along with the terrible stock Honda tune.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah agreed - perfect combo is K24 with a tune and CAI, with euro r gearbox

[@goforbroke2]

@@KiwiCarLife They need a little more then that to wake them up. The stock dual exhaust system is super restrictive along with the header. There is 30-40 WHP their with a quality header and single 3” exhaust(oh the noise) along with a tune. Guys make 230-240WHP all day long with these motors with simple bolt-ons. Yes, the gearing sucks the car falls out of the powerband in 2nd gear, but Hondata fixes that. The gearing is still too long though...haha

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@goforbroke2 Hmm yeah, definitely have a lot of potential for sure!

[@Mattouge]

You sold the Integra because it didnt't have cruise control... rip

[@KiwiCarLife]

And too impractical and uncomfortable

[@joey1458]

To bad was never sold here in the states

[@KiwiCarLife]

You got the TSX which is more powerful than my Euro S, but yeah no Euro R sadly

[@shaneedgar3332]

Euro r with type s seats for comfort = win allround

[@KiwiCarLife]

Mmm nah coz the engine is still torqueless and no cruise. I owned that cl9 for 2 years, now have a euro r and the k24 is objectively better

[@hoklasstnasd957]

somehow youtube recommend brought me here..... BY CL1 EURO R owner

[@KiwiCarLife]

I guess that's a good thing?

[@amiesports]

they know too much 😂

[@bombsquad-mr9uu]

My tsx has alot of the euro parts should have just got the accord

[@KiwiCarLife]

Haha I see, tsx still good tho

[@danielvasev7264]

hahah long gears you need to try Accord S 2010 2.4 + auto 1 gear - 60 + km /h / 2 gear - 120../ 3 gear - 190 + / 4gear - infinity :))))

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah the auto ones have extremely long gears aye

[@redcloud4741]

i like the letter R more

[@KiwiCarLife]

Me too

[@jtland4842]

I’m just here as a jealous American who got neither of those awesome cars

[@KiwiCarLife]

Got the TSX which has more power than the Euro S

[@MidnightAspec]

No reason to be jealous as you can just pick up an Acura TSX.

[@TassieLorenzo]

You can get the Acura TL Type S! V6 LSD manual goodness! :)

[@anthonyroma1767]

Get a altezza 3sge and compare with your Honda

[@KiwiCarLife]

Got that exact comparison in the pipelines don't you worry!