Civic Type R FD2 vs Accord Type S CL9 - K20 vs K24

[@silverfd2r]

I just bought a FD2R. The constant bouncing on the road, the turning radius, it really feels like you're driving a race car. I still have the original exhaust and so the VTEC feels even more intense when the car which is usually pretty quiet suddenly starts screaming.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Haha nice yeah it's a bit too race car for me. Driving dynamics are spot on, but it pays for it in the liveability

[@mando3703]

I want an fd2 so bad but I'm in the US 🥲 luckily I have an evo x but still I love the fd2 in my opinion the best looking type r

[@08CL9]

The FD definitely needs a ram/cold air intake of some sort, its always the first mod I do to any honda and I've had a few over the years as it always puts a smile on your face 🙂 the vtec sound just isn't the same without it 🤷‍♂️

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah for sure the K20A sounds great with a poddy

[@08CL9]

Off topic question but what's the camber wear like on your tyres since you lowered it?

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@08CL9 fine because it's not cambered - I got it aligned

[@battosaijenkins946]

God, the FD2 is so mythical. To many of us here in North America it is the best looking honda ever made!!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Mmm it is very very lovely

[@fionnbharrmoorehead880]

I have had a bone stock FD2R for a few years now and every single time I drive this car I smile. The handling is just amazing and you can feel when its right on the edge. Just feels like the last Type R for someone who likes to feel like they are racing.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah man they’re awesome aye

[@doghorsefish9320]

“You’ve gotta just decide whether the FD2 is 3x better” Well put.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah thought that was a good non biased way to sum it up

[@Esdru221]

RRC intake manifold (the FD2 ones) jr35 throttle body, tsx cams and 50° vtc pinion + hondata. Add that and you will get 250hp NA. And for finish, i'd put an fn2 lighter flywheel (maybe you already have it?) and a dc5 LSD. with that your accord could destroy any NA type R

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah very true... would be cool to do!

[@funghung6918]

Do the same mods with any type r and you will see the type r pulls away no doubt. What it matters is the weight. Pointless to compare modify vs stock imo.

[@Esdru221]

@@funghung6918 No, because the mainly mods that unleash the k24 power, are pieces the k20 already have. An all motor K24 makes around 15hp more than a k20 with a huuuuge difference in torque

[@kaiwilliams12]

No rolling race? Would've been intresting to see how you're modifications stack up to the type R. No doubt the civic would pull away, but how well can you keep up 🤷🏽

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah civic would've probably pulled a little, then again mine kept up with a euro r. Couldn't do the rolling race due to time contraints unfortunately

[@greengoblin343]

@@KiwiCarLife I think the FD would have the edge power to weight but yeah a rolling and standing drag race would be great to see

[@gabrielgalindo4515]

I think the K 24 would have take it all the way. I have a 2013 si Sedan with fbo, man let me tell you. I walk all kinds of cars lmao 😂

[@Intothyvoid666]

The good old us 25 year import law 🥲

[@luisfreites2387]

I have an 09 FA5 Si (FD2s lil brother) i have the accord K24A block with the Si k20z3 head & cams, DC5 oil pump, RBC manifold, 64mm TB and FBO… tuned on Hondata it made 240hp and 190tq and revs till 8700 rpms with Vtec at 4500. I think it’s the best of both worlds between the K20 & K24

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah man if you're getting 8700rpm from a k24 that would be awesome - biggest Achilles heel is the oil pump that won't let it rev out beyond 8. Once you fix that, the K24 is infinitely better than the K20

[@crankZOD]

You have a full 3" exhaust? You need a bigger TB also. I put down 235whp 165wtq on a k20a2, ktuned swap header, rbc, ktuned 72mm, rdx 410cc, custom 3" exhaust and z1 cams

[@Gamer_Marcy_God]

Would have preferred more review about the handling of the fd2r compared to the CL

[@KiwiCarLife]

Fd2 is better, more sharp. Pretty sure I talked about that in the video?

[@marcusandginareacts5197]

You should compare an fn2 with the fd2! same generation civic type r

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah that would be interesting

[@jwinters5306]

That type r looks really fun to drive and truly is a timeless design just like your type s. Can we get a break down of your complete suspension setup?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah good fun and just lowering springs

[@thatguyben3128]

*FD2 type R* 🔥🙌🏼🔥

[@KiwiCarLife]

It's one of the best hondas ever made my man. So good

[@JA-si5rf]

I've a K24 EP3 if you want to review it. In Auckland though

[@KiwiCarLife]

Funny you say that haha - I've had a guy with a k24 fit and a k24 s2000 message me. Surely we film a k24 accord vs civic vs s2000 vs fit vs integra video haha. Hit me up on insta @kiwicarlife.yt

[@HashDogg06]

@@KiwiCarLife You should all meet at a drag track day in Meremere, would be interesting to see all these cars go head to head.

[@insomniactm7528]

Love the vids, keep em coming

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man will do!

[@oscarkabowski8413]

Would have been nice to line the two up. Power to weight ratio would have me believe that the FD2 would be quicker, especially in and out of corners on the twisty back roads. I think you should keep modifying the CL9 though, just to see how much chop you can get out of that K24. A k20 head and some cams would really make your Euro something else.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah for sure man I reckon it would've given it a run, but yeah given the weight difference and the fact he had hondata and 5.1fd I'd say the FD would pull. Definitely pull through corners

[@oscarkabowski8413]

@@KiwiCarLife either way, I’m still so impressed how that Accord goes for what it is. I’m green with envy my Kiwi friend.

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@oscarkabowski8413 Thanks man

[@yukonstriker1703]

Aren't you concerned about the K&N air filter allowing way more fine particles into the engine as opposed to the stock air filter? Recently heard using a K&N filter is close to having no air filter at all..

[@KiwiCarLife]

No not in the slightest

[@Kickn_NZ]

Best looking in Honda's IMO ( no particular order ):- DA/DC Integra's (after DC's they just got ugly) EF/EK Civics CL9 Accords BA7 Preludes

[@zeroyon4562]

Agreed. A guy on my street has a beat up maroon DA6 teg xsi, I’d like to rescue it. They just look so good.

[@KiwiCarLife]

I'd say: AP2 S2000 NA2 NSX CL7 Euro R FD2 Type R The older Hondas are good, and might deliver the most "raw" driving experience, but they're just too old for me. No features, cramped, rattly interior, impractical and old so they'll start having paint fade, rust, burning oil issues. To me the golden era of Honda was the later K series era: DC5, FD2, CL7/9, AP2 and so on. These were the last "truly great" Honda sports cars before they all disappeared for a bit.

[@civic95reborn]

I use to say the same thing about FD2 TypeR but after owning 3 FN2R's, 6 CL9 and 1 CL7, they are not even in the same league as FD2R. I don't know what has Honda done to this car but its in a class of its own, its an engineering marvel. I also own an FK8 and S2000 btw so yeah i know how to drive fast cars :D

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah it's good, not worth three times the price of a CL7 tho

[@golf1diesel]

​@@KiwiCarLifeHow about CL7 or FD2 ? Difference in price between them is at least £8k.. ive got a 2009 Mazda 2 sport, probably won't be able to own 2 cars. Can FD2 cope with being a family car as well? Does it have cruise control?

[@NowIknowCh]

Is steering same as Euro r? Both are electric

[@KiwiCarLife]

Nah both are hydraulic

[@NikolaMar1nov]

It would be very interesting video to compare your accord k24 vs tuned 2.2 i-ctdi

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yes well I've got someone with a diesel accord he's just waiting to get it coz covid

[@jermainemorgan171]

Is the k24A2 apart displacement any different from a k20A2?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah definitely, different oil pump, different head, eps vs hps, among many other things

[@うっわぁおう]

FD2 was sold in UK and any other countries? Not only Japan?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Type r wasn't. The only ones in the uk are japanese imports

[@mohdsaifulhafeez8765]

Fd2 was sold in Japan & malaysia only

[@laukevin5504]

I owned CL7 , FD2 and Boost blue FK8 at the same time, finally decided to sell FK8 cuz feel like a family car.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Interesting, yeah if you like the old school Honda engines, fk8 won't cut it...

[@kennygeoffrey]

Really lau im in the middle choosing fd2 or fk8 iv tested fk8 but not the fd2

[@Monsters-bs1vm]

@@kennygeoffrey me too. Lol

[@DulceSeeker]

why did you actually sell Intergra may I ask?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Too hard and uncomfortable for daily use. I do 30,000km a year

[@Peterz32tt]

I love the videos bud !!! I've got an S.A Spec CL9 Type S - and i am planning on a few basic mods while still keeping it as a daily. What would you say is the best FIRST mod ?

[@Esdru221]

Reflash, without any doubt. Then intake and a good exhaust manifold and you get 220hp

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah reflash, header (exhaust manifold) and cold air intake

[@omerjamil195]

Hello, Can you compare euro r with this civic type r?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Potentially

[@omerjamil195]

Can you compare a Euro R with an FD 2 type r? They both have the same engine so they should be similar or are they?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yes very similar, fd2 is more raw

[@omerjamil195]

@@KiwiCarLife hmm interesting

[@Kurtster600]

My two favorite 4 banger Honda sedans!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Good choices!

[@ArunaVidu]

Can you do a comparison between your car and a 8 gen Galant

[@KiwiCarLife]

If we get one traded at Honda I will

[@cozifpv2069]

Dream car for me but they go for big money here in the UK

[@KiwiCarLife]

Oh yeah absolutely man

[@kolec76]

Bro I wanted to find out about the cornering difference, because of the weight of the car etc, write me a short comparison!!!!!!!

[@KiwiCarLife]

FD2R is definitely a better handling car, lighter, glued chassis, firmer suspension, but a well set up euro r or euro s will also handle well because double wishbone. But in this comparison there’s no comparison between a civic type r and normal accord

[@kolec76]

@@KiwiCarLife thanks mann

[@nle_init2751]

Gidddey harry

[@KiwiCarLife]

Gidday

[@everachong2067]

Do a manual v6 7th gen accord comparison to your car. It'd make a great video

[@KiwiCarLife]

It would, however they don't exist here. US only

[@everachong2067]

@@KiwiCarLife you don't get access to manual versions of the cm5, cm6, cm7, cm8?? In the us the manual cm6 was limited to two years, 06 and 07.

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@everachong2067 nah no manual, only the cl9 came as manual

[@MElekiaZ]

Im from Spain and fd2 not released here but in mids 2000s i remember the Accord win Championships in Portugal against other japanesse and europea brands. Imagine fd2 is better because is lighter.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah and a host of improvements as it’s a purpose built type r

[@saabiq1441]

Hey bro howd u chrome delete your window trim?

[@KiwiCarLife]

I didn’t? Some came with chrome others didn’t

[@Michael-he1uj]

have you plugged in and run the available aux port on your stock headunit?

[@KiwiCarLife]

I have not, I just use an FM transmitter

[@Michael-he1uj]

@@KiwiCarLife aux quality is so much better, there's a free port if you take that big compartment out. I'll find what its called on Amazon

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@Michael-he1uj thanks man, would be interested to get it installed but having Bluetooth to me is just convenient because I don't have to plug my phone in all the time...

[@Michael-he1uj]

@@KiwiCarLife not hard at all to do yourself, id say it's worth it atleast to me. Not that expensive either just to try it. Audio difference was night and day but I might've had a bad fm transmitter.

[@jrhpng]

Super tidy tasteful Civic, need to lose those horrible taillights though... 🤙

[@KiwiCarLife]

haha yeah not my first choice lol

[@HashDogg06]

Yep, that is the only let down with the FD2.

[@ucesaftf9383]

PLEASE DO A VIDEO ON THE 2009 HONDA ACCORD 🔥

[@KiwiCarLife]

I've already done quite a few - search cl9 vs cu2 kiwicarlife it'll show up

[@ucesaftf9383]

@@KiwiCarLife watching it now bro!! Mean. I noticed youre a welly boy with your tests up the gorge and around jville haha ma man 👌🏼

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@ucesaftf9383 haha awesome man yeah Welly born and raised 🙌

[@endless_touge]

You just can't compare. Best N/A FWD ever made for track with a car for retired people on steroids. As you said. Lucky to even drive that FD

[@Esdru221]

That accord could wipe the floor with fd2, he just haven't the proper mods

[@KiwiCarLife]

If I compared the CL7R with the FD2R I bet you wouldn't be saying the same thing. Mine is basically just a K24 Euro R and I've proven it's faster. No retired people here.

[@walton1231]

I take it you haven't seen the m&m accord? I get it though, the fd2 body is a step up straight away on the cl9, at least the cl7 euro r is strengthened in certain areas 👍

[@endless_touge]

I said a word that everyone seems to miss in my comment. Track! . For straight lines any car can be fast or very fast with the right money pumped in.

[@walton1231]

@@endless_touge agreed. Out the box a fd2 is an absolute gem round a track and that was its goal from the go although a euro r can be made just as good or better, when modded of course. Double wishbone front is a big one with the cl as favoured by spoon and m&m but weight reduction is required.

[@mroneday3670]

I got accord cf9 and accord type s k24

[@KiwiCarLife]

Lovely vehicles

[@TorpedoJohnson]

I love my Civic SI FG2 similar to the FD2. Just not quite as cool as the FD2 of course, but one can dream atleast... :P

[@KiwiCarLife]

Nice yeah the 8th gen SI is a great car

[@norrisj.z5819]

It looks ADM Honda's ACCORD Euro S. EDM and JDM has TYPE S ACCORD.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Same thing

[@AutoRevLife]

I've always found the European civics of this generation to look fresher than the American release

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah definitely

[@Carmelov2012]

Try a k20/24 build for your cl9 and you’ll never envy a type r again.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah I’ve driven k24 frank builds and they’re definitely the best of both worlds

[@peterzingel2541]

Turbo ?? CL9 coming sooon

[@KiwiCarLife]

Haha maybe

[@Xenirie]

that accord is sharper and more timeless than the civic imo

[@KiwiCarLife]

I'd agree

[@etirnty3837]

Is bros KZbin channel just to talk about how much better his car is then every other car?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Haha not entirely but I was a bit more biased in my old videos

[@meiji9720]

7:29 Honda Civic gearboxes be like:

[@KiwiCarLife]

Haha yeah just my clutch delay valve being annoying

[@lindonandlisa8114]

You lucky New Zealanders I don't know why so many of yous move to Australia no VTEC hear

[@KiwiCarLife]

True man. I'm happy here haha too hot in aus

[@HashDogg06]

Because we can get paid double (if not more) to do the same job in Australia & the living expenses are roughly the same so for some it's a no-brainer.

[@Hatsukemi]

Honda one of best car manufacturer

[@KiwiCarLife]

Indeed

[@HashDogg06]

Was.

[@nicholaswong9922]

I'm gonna make 40k aud and buy an fd2r. Mannn that's my dream carrr

[@KiwiCarLife]

They're so nice! 25-35k NZD here

[@pikachuflys321]

Put a dc5R oil pump on the k24 accord and watch it come to life

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah absolutely - it makes a big difference

[@nothing9271]

Horse powers my dude?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Google it man both making roughly 225hp

[@M_Pirke]

Accord 08 K24 executive(AT) always ;)

[@KiwiCarLife]

Lovely vehicle

[@M_Pirke]

@@KiwiCarLife Thank you for some advices.Tomorow uprgrading brakes,suspension is done,custom exaust,ecu-reflash and more.Greetings from Serbia!

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@M_Pirke very nice!

[@manitv9708]

FD2 すごく楽しそう😆😆

[@KiwiCarLife]

それは確かです

[@Intothyvoid666]

Fd2 looks so better than my fg2

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeahh it's nice

[@matinirudolph8420]

Hmmm I know the gear ratios, and with the shift changes you were doing, pretty sure that was easily 100kmh 🤣🤣🤣

[@KiwiCarLife]

Maybe...

[@The_Noticer.]

Too bad they are stupid expensive. Was looking for one, 25k for a grade 4b. Nah thanks..

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah back when they were like 18k I would've bought one but not now. 30k is too much

[@shauntan2266]

@@KiwiCarLife yeah crazily expensive now. When I bought it at the country I live in 2019 it was already NZD37K 😅

[@tonydingoldbro]

In Aussie, normal condition one with 150k on odo asks roughly 40k AUD.

[@AT-tv7gi]

Its going for about USD100k in singapore

[@victorwilks88]

Wow 2 beautiful cars Please review a R18 civic Like share and subscribe 👆

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks and yeah at some point still waiting for us to trade a decent one haha

[@thinkforyourself5672]

Newton Meters when talking about horsepower lol? What kind of witchcraft is this

[@KiwiCarLife]

New Zealand mate we have no idea what we’re doing

[@thinkforyourself5672]

@@KiwiCarLife 😂

[@B16A5_EK4]

*FD2R 👍 Accord Type-S* 👎

[@KiwiCarLife]

Fair enough