Accurate Gunmen in Westerns

Some say it’s the quick draws that have the advantage. Others say it's the accuracy, it doesn't matter how fast you are if you can’t hit the side of a barn. Some could do both!
Today let's take a look at those who knew how to hit their mark.
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[@paulwolf7562]

A "Quigley rifle" is exactly like it was described. "Sharps rifle converted to a 45-110 (110 grains of black powder) metallic cartridge, with a 34 inch barrel and double set triggers..." Not every Sharps was a "Quigley"... Personally, I think it's one of the best scenes to introduce such an iconic rifle, as it wasn't even seen until Tom Selleck pulled it out at the ranch...

[@deanmeyer1815]

550 grain lead, paper patched bullet.

[@snoman003]

I have a Shiloh Sharps 34" "Quigley" and can tell you it is one of the most frustrating and satisfying rifle I have ever owned and reloaded for. The variables are infinite when reloading, such as bullet type, weight, combined with powder load / compression wad stack ect leaves a pile of things to be considered. However when it is finally dialed in, the accuracy of these Sharps rifles astounds many at the range. There are people today still shooting these rifles at distances out to 1 mile...

[@ardshielcomplex8917]

Try holding a full length barrel Sharps off hand and making the Quigly shots in the movie, its utter BS.

[@deanmeyer1815]

Have you shot one?@@ardshielcomplex8917

[@deanmeyer1815]

Have you tried one?@@ardshielcomplex8917

[@unbreakable7633]

Quigley Down Under is maybe the ultimate sharpshooter movie, meaning shooting skills are essential to the plot, but long distance shooting is critical to the plot of Valdez Is Coming too.

[@cbroz7492]

..my thoughts also..saw that movie over 50 years ago at the post theater in Illesheim, Germany...thought it was an excellent scene..especially reloading the 45 70 case

[@user-ov3xu8zk1z]

Around 1905 when Wyatt Earp was being interviewed for a new book ( there were already dozens of them ) he was asked how he survived so many gunfights. His answer, " fast is fine, but accuracy is final, you have to learn how to take your time in a hurry"

[@mythgreatbritain5634]

I thought it was because he normally shot unarmed men.

[@JohnDoeSmith08]

Robert Duvall in Lonesome Dove! Probably my favorite scene so satisfying & the look on everybody's faces is priceless.

[@famouspeople63]

Agreed!

[@TS-wh4ey]

Burt Lancaster's character in the 1971 movie 'Valdez is Coming' uses his Sharps rifle to pick off a relentless posse pursuing him with deadly accuracy at a distance of better than a thousand yards.

[@garfieldsmith332]

Great film . "It's some kind of Buffalo Gun;.... or a cannon". "You know how many you kill?" "Eleven". "You keep count".

[@TS-wh4ey]

@@garfieldsmith332 Valdez: "You better" 👍

[@johnnyquest3707]

thanks. I clicked on here to mention that very movie. I’ve noticed the Sharps rifle he used, obviously a movie rental, prop up in Kiefer Sutherland’s hands in Young Guns and Kris Kristofferson in The Tracker.

[@TS-wh4ey]

@@johnnyquest3707 'The Tracker' is an excellent film. Noble Adams : "There's no third way"

[@nicholaspastorino5122]

Valdez is coming real should of been at the top

[@silverjohn6037]

If you do a follow up on the same theme Winchester 73 with Jimmy Stewart might be a good choice. And, while it's not the main theme of the movie, Old Yeller actually gave a decent representation of hunting with a muzzle loader.

[@sheepsfoot2]

Two excellent 1970s movie's " The Missouri Breaks" with Marlin Brando armed with a Sharps shoots long distance and kills the guy sitting on the toilet ! and the movie "Tom Horn "> Steve McQueen armed with a 45/60 Winchester thinning out the cattle rustler's !

[@bobcole612]

“It ain’t about being fast, or accurate. It’s about being willing. Some men will blink an eye, or draw a breath before they pull the trigger. I won’t.” John Wayne as J.B. Books, The Shootist (1976).

[@famouspeople63]

Words to live by

[@ltdc426]

Best advice ever.

[@davethom73]

I remember twenty odd years ago when Tony Bonner and family lived at Mudjimba on the Sunny Coast, he mentioned that the Quigly Down Under armourer had a Sharps replica rifle made of aluminium to ensure the actors didn’t get sore arms carrying the real one whilst riding horses. At that stage, Tony was successfully running Alcoholics Anonymous here on the Coast.

[@1Bonex]

Although all four protagonists were top notch with their guns in Silverado, I think that the character Mal played by Danny Glover should be considered because of his rifle skills.

[@pb68slab18]

The Henry rifle fired what was a relatively weak round. The way Kevin Costner's character Lt. Dunbar raised that ladder sight and stopped a charging buffalo with one shot was well, pure BS!

[@adamethridge7824]

Glad y’all put ole Gus in this

[@ludwigderzanker9767]

Billy Two Hats is one of the best western of the 70s and shameless underrated! In Germany it was named Bury the wolves in the cañon, however. Peck shows was a man of honor in his role has to do..The Quick and the Dead, in Germany Faster than Death was a mixture out of Hongkong opera, computer game and Disney. Hackman made it way better in Unforgiven. God's Blessings from Northern Germany Ludwig.

[@johnzeszut3170]

On t.v. Roger Moore on "Maverick" used a two handed grip on his revolver which had to help accuracy.

[@alfonsocantu9992]

Buster Scruggs an Outlaw that doesn't spend the day convincing people he's an outlaw..his shooting convinces you that...yours very truly Alfonso Cantu USMC

[@davidbrown386]

It is easy to figure out who is the most accurate with a gun. That was Audie Murphy. So you can pick out a number of films where that qualifies. I will use The Quick Gun ( 1963). Why? Watch Murphy as Clint Cooper ( all time great western name), in and around the hotel and you will see what I mean. Honorable mention: Gunsmoke ( 1953), Murphy, Susan Cabot and Charles Drake.

[@unbreakable7633]

Gunsmoke is a great Murphy film. I'm a big Murphy fan, not only his movies but he was the real thing.

[@TS-wh4ey]

@@unbreakable7633 I believe he did 35 westerns where he was the headliner. Mr. Murphy was definitely a western movie icon and each of his films are very entertaining.

[@brianjones7907]

@davidbrown386,,,, my own favourites are "Duel at Silver Creek" & "Posse from Hell"

[@unbreakable7633]

@@TS-wh4ey I agree. And he was a great American on top of all that.

[@TS-wh4ey]

@@unbreakable7633 He was 👍

[@dirtfarmer7472]

I just subscribed to this channel & I think that it’ll be interesting, we’ll just have to wait & see Thank you Sir

[@famouspeople63]

Thanks for the sub! Let me know what you think about my videos in the channel.

[@bgbeck55]

You left out Valdez Is Coming. Burt Lancaster (Valdez) shoots his pursuers at 1000 yards.

[@famouspeople63]

Thanks for the addition

[@micahhull5126]

Steve McQueen in Wanted Dead Or Alive, with his sawed off weapon.

[@samuretsky9251]

For the movies and TV you seem to have missed two excellent examples. In Support Your Local Sherriff, James Garner's character shows that he can hit a coin thrown in the air. When someone says it may be luck, the Garner character bought a postage stamp to put over the hole in the coin, and shows that he could put a bullet in the same hole. My choice for #1 was S1 E19 of Have Gun Will Travel. I believe the episode title was The Highgraders. Paladin (Richard Boone) was in a scene with a character called "The Jockey" played by the great westen B movie actor Bob Steele. In one scene the two were facing the same threat, and the Jockey is a marginally faster draw than Paladin. Then, in the last scene, the two men had to face off against each other. Paladin won the fight, and he words of dialogue were "Fast, but not accurate."

[@hansjansen7047]

Actually it was a washer with a hole already in it and the shop keeper doubts that it went through the hole, so he puts some tape over the hole for the second shot after Garner's character says " I already put one hole in your roof , but okay!"

[@outdoorlife5396]

Most are BS scenes, that only happen in the movies. It is a lot harder to hit your target when it is moving and shooting back at you. Gus and Quigley are probably the most believable. Valdez is Coming should have been on the list.

[@artemusp.folgelmeyer4821]

Hitting a man on a galloping horse at over 1000 yards with the Sharps in "Valdez Is Coming" is about as realistic as "Snow White And the Seven Dwarfs". Valdez never missed any shots taken in that movie. The line of "My own load" is a bit of crap also, as those cartridges were loaded with black powder, which means that was the ONLY load available and the bullets were really limited...especially in the circumstances of the film's location. The shot taken by Quigley has been duplicated, but I hardly believe it can be done so as depicted in the film as in multiple "hits"...with not a single "miss". Shooting a rope with these old guns is B.S. as shown in these films. One should not the simulated recoil of Wale's Sharps and the telescopic sight. However, I question it's existence in the immediate years after the Civil War enabling Josey to get his mitts on one. The cartridge mode didn't come out until 1874, a considerable span of years for poor Josey to be evading his pursuers as occurs in the movie. You Tube is loaded with shooting videos that show the real accuracy of rifles and handguns...these films are not part of them, but they are entertaining.

[@outdoorlife5396]

@@artemusp.folgelmeyer4821 You will notice the movies are full of inaccuracies. I thought the subject was great shots in the movies. Shooting a rope has been tried by sharpshooters, using the same Henry they used in the movies. I think it took the guy three times. Then it only cut the rope, if I remember correctly, it has been a minute. You will notice in the movies, they use the Winchester model 92 a lot, on TV I see a lot of 94's. If you need a Henry take off the forearms. Thing is, the later westerns use Confederate guns, Henry's, Winchesters, Colts and S&W that at least look the time period. A lot better job.

[@artemusp.folgelmeyer4821]

With the Italians putting out replicas that are basically indistinguishable from the originals, there is no reason to use anything but them today. The muzzle shown when Eastwood cuts the rope has a ramped front sight with bead...Winchester 94? Anyone shooting a rope with a Henry (or 94 for that matter) will have to be really close or have adjustable power eyeballs. Hitting a man on a running horse at over 1000 yards with any firearm using iron sights (or a scope) is a fluke. Sure, use a twenty round magazine in a semi-auto, and your chances go us considerably, but Valdez had a single shot black rifle with a tang sight. I have such a rifle...Sharps Shiloh Business Rifle in .45-70 with a tang rear sight and globe front sight. A .45-70 405 grain bullet at 1250 fps has a 67 foot drop at 1000 yards. If you hold for 950 you will be short and miss. If you hold for 1050, you will shoot over the target. It is essential to know the exact range for the shooting done in that movie or any other such as "Billy Two Hats" to hit something at extreme ranges. Those buffalo hunters did not shoot at extreme ranges. "Sniper" (the first one) was a good one. The duel with rifles in "Hurt Locker" was not too good. The "bad guys" were using .30 caliber rifles (7.62x54R and 7.62x39 = sniper rifle and "assault rifles") against the "good guys" using the Barrett .50 cal BMG. The AK were basically useless for the range depicted. The other rifle was a real threat, but the .50 had the ability to penetrate barriers at the distance that the 7.62x54R did not. That first "Reacher" with Robert Duvall was really realistic. @@outdoorlife5396

[@CapnDan2022]

You missed Valdez Is Coming

[@grahamthebaronhesketh.]

Subscribed.

[@bill3641]

4:58 , "Sharps-Shooter"

[@sheepsfoot2]

Correct'a'moondo where the name comes from , during the American civil war union officer Col Hiram Burden raised a regiment ? of snipers to pick of important targets like officers , they were issued 52 cal sharps rifles and soon earned the name Berden Sharps-shooters !

[@emava]

Terence Hill - "My Name is Nobody"

[@samuretsky9251]

I agree that the film, aside from being fun, had a good example of Hollywood (or Italian) accuracy, but the best display of accuracy in the movie was performed by the Henry Fonda character.

[@downunderrob]

What, no The Hunting Party or The Missouri Breaks? Tsk tsk tsk.

[@cag1763]

Chuck Conners...the Rifleman....

[@giovannif-cc6xd]

Manca Valdez Is coming

[@bobcole612]

Speed is fine. Accuracy is final.

[@RodCalidge]

Loving all the opinions here, and Hollywood aside, there is merit to the type of gun used. However, anything to do with long-range shots relies heavily on the shooter. I own some nice rifles and have been shooting for the better part of 55 years. And I have days when I can drive tacks with the best of them, and other days, I swear I'm a blind ma with parkinsons.

[@user-ho4nw5sf3w]

There is one marksman that doesn't get his comeuppance. And yet he had a national reputation for being perhaps the best shot in the country. In fact his fame was even international. The Mexicans found out about his skills. And had his bullets hit six inches to the right, there never would have been a battle at the Alamo. Crockett

[@charlieadams8417]

If you're going to stand across from another man and actually bet your life against his, there's a few things to remember: 1. Ya gotta be *fast*. If I get off the first shot, there ain't gonna be a second one. 2. Ya gotta be *smooth*. You can be faster than lightning, but if ya fumble getting yer gun out, it's prob'ly gonna be yer last fumble. 3. Ya gotta be *willing*. You can be faster than lightning, and smoother than silk, but if ya hesitate pulling the trigger, that hundredth of a second will kill ya. 4. Ya gotta be *accurate*. You can be faster than lightning, smoother than silk, cold-blooded as a rattlesnake, but if you miss that first shot...you're dead. 5. None of that means squat if ya can't clear leather before the other guy plugs ya, so ya gotta be *fast*. Aren't we all glad that these movies are mostly just a load of BS? 🤣

[@famouspeople63]

Face to face gunfights are really an invention of hollywood. Not common at all in the wild west.

[@charlieadams8417]

@@famouspeople63 That was kinda my point. I only remember reading about two, *maybe* three times where two men faced off in the street and "slapped leather". In one of them, both "gunslingers" emptied their pistols and scored not a single hit on each other. Usually, a gunfight involved the first man to see the other dragging out his hogleg and opening fire - or simply waylaying his victim from hiding. I've done the stand-and-draw routine with friends, using low-level black powder blanks. Even then, it gives you a small taste of what it would be like to face someone down. Enough to prove to anyone who actually uses firearms that this was not a realistic scenario.

[@billmacarthur5310]

Joe Kidd features a ridiculous long shot and the Magnificent 7 has a great near miss.

[@fsoiberg]

I liked the video, but you were talking over the shooting seens.

[@that_thing_I_do]

Destry rides again..Jimmy Stewart demonstrates that his rep as a dandy is mistaken.

[@famouspeople63]

Yes I believe the two had an off screen action as well.

[@RangerMelB]

side note.. Quigley didn't 'leave'... he was beaten nearly to death by the hands at the station and then hauled miles out into the bush with the also unconscious female 'crazy Cora' and left for the climate to kill. Playing on the haulers greed at least set him up with his long gun and a bit of rig and food, but not much...

[@lordeden2732]

V/sexy Cora

[@jimdavenport8020]

Other than Gus using the ladder sight on the Henry, there isn't a realistic shooting scene in the bunch. Entertaining? You bet! But you can't part a rope with a single shot from a rifle, at least not reliably. Tom Selleck's 'Quigley' seen in the famous 'Bucket Shot' was actually an aluminum prop gun: nobody can shoot a real 34" Sharps from offhand like that. It is all showbiz folks! Even the real Annie Oakley used smoothbore rifles firing birdshot for many of her famous tricks.

[@artemusp.folgelmeyer4821]

Actually, that bucket shot in "Quigley" was accomplished. It is somewhere here on You Tube. However, it was a one shot hit, not a string of shots as in the film, and I don't know how many times the shot was taken for one successful shot...maybe 50? "It is all showbiz folks!" pretty much sums it up.

[@sheepsfoot2]

It wasn't an aluminium prop gun ! The Shiloh Rifle company made 2 exact functioning rifles for the Quigley movie , the only difference one had an aluminium barrel for fast action scenes ! After the movie the Producer kept the one with the steel barrel , Tom Selleck got to keep the stunt rifle , and soon had the aluminium barrel removed and replaced with a fully functional 34 inch steel Shiloh rifle barrel ! Several years back Tom donated his Quigley rifle including the spare aluminium barrel to the NRA Museum !

[@artemusp.folgelmeyer4821]

That aluminum barrel should have sustained firing blanks, but never standard loads. It is quite common to employ alloy for Hollywood, especially those films using sharp pointy items such as swords. @@sheepsfoot2

[@PlanetEarth3141]

I don't worry about accuracy. I prefer howitzers💥 for long range and grenades 🍍 for close. However, drones are becoming fashionable. Yes FP, I'm not quite in step with you're video. 😉

[@garfieldsmith332]

"Daisy Cutter". Gets the job done.

[@user-ho4nw5sf3w]

Damn, we are kindred fools. I also like to use Cigars and a couple shots of Bourbon. I figure it can't hurt to negotiate. Might as well be prepared.

[@PlanetEarth3141]

@@garfieldsmith332 I like when the NVA were having jungle parties but not enough open area to drink and party. Then the US could give them an instant meadow with that Daisy Cutter .

[@garfieldsmith332]

@@PlanetEarth3141 Yes. That was very nice of them. Everyone invited usually brings food and drink, but no one thinks to bring some space to party in.

[@roblewis226]

I can't decide if the narrator is on drugs or the worst AI ever.

[@bravehome4276]

There's an old adage in the West: "Speed is fine, but accuracy is final...."

[@rodyates4771]

Wasn’t shot horse fell on him.

[@battievandermerwe9121]

Winchester '73 ?????

[@famouspeople63]

It was on my list couldn't find any footage that didn't have copyright issues

[@lupodimontenero661]

d not forget sharp the Sharp scene in Valdez is Coming kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJaVfJKtptFpnsU

[@niveknospmoht8743]

All this is moot. It's Hollywood. Only thing as close to real is Quigley. Sharps rifles historically were known for their accuracy. Buster Scruggs is more of a comedy

[@francisgarner1751]

I thought you we're going to show information on the real old west 👎🏾😡👹👎🏾 SHAME ON YOU.

[@markhale8084]

Uuhhh…SAA is the acronym for Single Action Army…computer generated voice reading some text pilfered from elsewhere….lazy and lame.