How to Handle: an Employee Seeking a Raise

[@jskrabac]

For those that care, in 2019 dollars, he's currently making about 90k a year, asking to bump to 140k, and he agrees to about 100k.

[@foofooblenda734]

ecuse me THANK YOU I APPRECIATE YOUR OBSESIVE COMPULSIVE AND...... AND YOUR NOT LAZY. A BIZZARE COMBNATION

[@Bushmansmeg]

Thank fuck for that, I was like. TWO HUNDRED DOLLARYDOO'S A WEEK???? TYBAIS! CALL THE PRIME MINISTER!!

[@wilkinsonyachtbrokerUK]

So its x10 the dollar back then. How do you know its that much?

[@joshuaarroyo7235]

@@wilkinsonyachtbrokerUK there's a shit ton of money calculation sites that can show the value of the dollar from one year to the other. Just right the year that you want to know and put how much was a certain amount at the time.

[@PocketRocket_]

Mists & Shadows My guy just wrote a whole novel on a youtube comment

[@ellwoolf]

"No one around here makes that." ... oldest line in the book.

[@almoniousor3112]

Going into such a meeting without having an answer , that was his mistake.

[@sammylava]

He couldn't have said, "I know" because it might be grounds for firing. There's a reason companies put such an emphasis on confidentiality of salaries.

[@almoniousor3112]

True; He should be ready with an answer about his performance, market worth.

[@roccoreig3711]

😂😂😂😂love your user photo

[@walksoflifesixnine]

Did that law exist back in those days?

[@PatDaley]

pay close attention to 5:38 - Harry asks for raise, boss gets up to make him a drink and gives it to him. The rule of reciprocity. He gave him that drink for a reason. To have more leverage over Harry. In sales, when you give something for free the receiver of said freebie will feel slightly indebted to you. and in this case, Harry felt indebted enough to not ask for higher pay than what was counter offered.

[@Zacq768]

Personally i liked how he added a "Say yes" to his offer

[@MaelRadec42]

Exactly adding that say yes pretty much forces the other individual to think about accepting the offer plus commanding them to do so before even thinking about declining.

[@tonee899]

That's really interesting what a boss

[@Saffrone221]

No. It means “ say yes or get fired” when a hustler offers you something, he expects you to act on it or get sharked.

[@Zacq768]

But not directly

[@btvbrndn]

Just so everyone knows the company doesn’t want you to discuss salaries with your peers but they’ve proven that discussing salaries doesn’t cause envy among employees it gets them to ask for raises they deserve

[@BigNothingMonsterMan]

I'm honest where i work with what i make and never understood people who hide it. I have a coworker who constantly gets perfect grades for her assessments, has been there for 4 years longer then me, and in general is an amazing working. I get 3s in my assesments (she gets 5s), i've been there for half as long as her and never work overtime, and constantly use my pto the moment i get it. She makes less then a dollar more then me. Less then a dollar. Companies only want you to not talk about how much you make because they don't want all their bullshit to be visible.

[@djLagwayEnjoyer]

Yea my first job I got hired on they never told me not to discuss wages so when the girl who’d been working there for like 2 years asked me what I made when it was my first job and my starting pay, I made over 60 cents more than her an hour. Needless to say she quit a few weeks later 😂

[@lobstertexas]

@@BigNothingMonsterMan ...and what's worse, she knows how to spell the word "than" .. The pay inequity is off the charts, I'm tellin' you... :p

[@alexanderchenf1]

Justin M then Justin, YOU should ask for a raise on HER behalf

[@US_ARMY_25_INF._DIV.]

True....i worked for a company where I know I made more then my peers starting out...I kept my trap shut about that......

[@SamueITan]

Roger : *Waves Hand in a Holy Cross fashion* You are now the head of a Television Department comprised solely of you, Anything else? HAHAHAHAHA cracks me up everytime.

[@YoungPatronsoyelChingon]

He makes a cross like a priest

[@adams1458]

he blessed him my son!

[@LethalPigeon7]

MAGICKS

[@SamueITan]

I know its a Priest blessing, I noticed it after I commented. I just have better things to do than nitpick small things on the comments section of KZbin.

[@203_Boy]

Na you don't know SHIT. It's a " Catholic* blessing"

[@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg]

Ken was always sort of the golden child of the accounts department. Lane said it when he was talking to Pete about the head of account services position; he told him that while he (Pete) was good at satisfying a clients every need, Ken had the uncanny ability to make clients feel as though they had no needs at all.

[@mottebailley4122]

Which…I never understood why that’s a good thing. If your client feels they have no needs, then they’re not going to need *you*. Which means they will no longer be your client.

[@lucasdoido96]

Ken was always 2 steps ahead of what the client needs

[@dudelange4301]

​@@mottebailley4122or maybe they are so comfortable that making a change can only bring them displeasure

[@captainweekend5276]

Tbh I never really got that, when Ken was given half the accounts he got handed a plate of gold and didn't drop it, but Pete was handed a plate of lead and turned it into gold, yet Ken was the one that was rewarded for basically bullshit reasons. I kinda get that it was part of Pete's growth as a character, but he really was mistreated for basically no logical reason by the agency.

[@timovangalen1589]

@@captainweekend5276 Personality matters, and Pete was a weasel. Ken had far more charisma than him.

[@guyhaseeb]

"You're here now, i'm smiling, what do you want?" *deadpan stare* Classic Roger

[@Fleshcut]

ALWAYS talk to your peers about money and NEVER hate on them if they make more. It's the company that not only accepts but actively supports the silence around paychecks. An example: My mother was roughly 6 years away from retirement when she heard that an entry level woman earned more than she does. She was working in the backrooms of a bank, checking checks, sending money from A to B etc. etc.. She was the only one who knew how to work every station which always meant she was the person to step in when someone was sick. She helped organize countless company x-mas partys for free. And, most importantly, she was always nice and cheerful while doing that mindnumbing deadend job. She came to me for help and I told her that they better raise her salary by a lot. Not only because she is literally the only person able to do everything but also because she should earn more for being a senior worker + the fact that she already missed years of receiving a raise. She eventually came home with pure pride written all over her face because she gets 50 bucks more...a month. After taxes that's literally like 2 DVDs a month for being the only and best worker. Even though I received special conditions for being the kid of a worker, I closed my accounts there.

[@rubixqueb1229]

I had the same thing happen to me at my first job in high school. I was washing dishes for over a year making $10 an hour. There was a huge turnover rate because dishwashing sucks, so I was the longest working dish washer in the restaurant after about a year. One day, they hired a new guy who was also my age. I had to train him since it was his first day and I was the only other one working that shift. I knew my way around the kitchen really well and told him how long I had been working for. He was curious how much more I was making than him so he asked what I made an hour. Turns out, he was making $2 more an hour that night, as I was training him. I talked about it to my boss that night after the shift and she so graciously bumped my pay up to what he was making. I tried to argue for a little more, but I was pretty timid back then and she pulled the "I already gave you a 20% raise" card so I gave up pretty easily. The raise didn't apply to me that night, so the guy I trained still made more than me. I only stuck around for another month after that. I'm glad I learned that lesson early, at least.

[@goddessofwar4955]

BINGO. This is why companies have tried hard to destroy unions

[@ayokay123]

@@goddessofwar4955 And succeeded. Unions are dead.

[@NickVTA]

@@goddessofwar4955 yes, and that can also go the other direction. I worked for a city here and you had a handfuls of lazy workers and I even got told twice by my supervisor to slow down and one of the union reps even warned me about working too hard, basically It's hard to fire anybody if they're in a union so they get comfortable. Have you even seen them parking their city vehicles behind shopping centers and then hanging out at the coffee shops on their 10 or 15 minute breaks for 1 and 1/2 hours, seen some shopping in the mall on their lunch breaks for well over an hour. There's our tax dollars paying them. And they get good benefits and pensions taking care of by the city. There's sucky extremes to both options, non-union and union. Maybe more so public sector unions.

[@duross101]

I regret clicking read more

[@X152535]

Never asked for a raise in my life...went and got job offers, asked my boss for help in picking which one would be a good fit...gets me a raise every time!

[@dranelemakol]

well, passive aggression is always an option!

[@mezalong]

i normally suck my boss off.

[@smitty7988]

hahaha, no you don't I work in recruitment, and maybe that worked once, but if you did that, guaranteed your boss would have you lined up first for firing and would be talking to me about finding a replacement for you. Never tell your boss your looking for a job and try to use it as leverage to basically blackmail people, you're easily replaceable.

[@pnnorton]

smitty voller eventually you get to a point you don't care and you just want to milk the cow one last time.

[@pnnorton]

smitty voller also that assumes someone will do the job you're doing cheaper and similar quality... if you've been in your job a while and the market is buoyant then your employer probably has been creating a gap between the market rate so it probably is logical to give you the raise. Of course people can be vendictive and you can't do anything about that. Also depending on the organisation if you force your boss to get you a raise, they probably had to put the case forward with their boss, so they like most people don't like to appear inconsistent if when it comes for redundancies they put forward the name of the person they were saying a month ago deserved a raise.

[@Cl0ckcl0ck]

A 12.5% raise for 30 seconds of showing balls is pretty sweet.

[@DavidKFZ]

Showing balls would have been declining and pressing for a 25% raise

[@FuhqEwe]

@@DavidKFZ What is this show?

[@DavidKFZ]

@@FuhqEwe Mad Men

[@FuhqEwe]

@@DavidKFZ Thank you.

[@zzKirus]

@@DavidKFZ he would have been fired if he didn't say yes.

[@sterlingsteve]

"I'll throw in new business cards. You drive a helluva bargain." There's NO ONE like Roger Sterling.

[@DoubleUProds]

*Grabs whiskey glass aggressively*

[@danielroose8607]

It’s also interesting because this is a side of him we don’t often get to see. Up until this point, I think, we had only seen him buttering up creative, giving clients hand jobs, or womanizing, so this shows he knows how to deal with subordinates, as well.

[@darkmagician2521]

Steven Kreps Don't you mean Howard Stark?

[@jadentrez]

Did Paul Allen get business cards too?

[@skwerl4030]

"you arguing with me?"

[@TheLoyalOfficer]

"How do I do that?" "Then you're worth every penny they're paying you." Wow. So perfectly true.

[@lion21297]

could you explain that?

[@doltyable]

@@lion21297 He didn't know how to do that. That implies he's not smart enough to deserve a raise.

[@Fraggr92]

+Youtro Basically if you can't figure out how to make yourself absolutely essential to the operation of the company, that shows that you don't have what it takes to move forward and thus you aren't deserving of a raise. And since you aren't deserving of a raise, that must mean that whatever they're paying you is all you're worth. I personally don't really agree with this ideology for multiple reasons, mainly because it causes problems on so many different levels but that's beside the point.

[@ruk2023--]

If an employee comes to me to ask for a raise the first question I ask them is "what would justify that" or a variant thereof. If people can't tell you why they deserve more money then they don't deserve it. At the same time if they can justify what they are doing above their remit to deserve it then they get it. There are too many entitled people around these days who think they should be paid more because they want it.

[@islommicgommunist6404]

and there are many employers that think they can just pay people below market wages just because they want to

[@DragosDreamer1989]

"You are now the head of the television department, which is comprised solely of you. Anything else?"

[@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg]

To be honest, this set Harry's career on a very substantial trajectory. He built the TV department from the ground up and by the end of the series he was rubbing shoulders with celebrities in Hollywood and one of the most important men at the agency.

[@tuomasu1657]

EVOCATEUR Agreed, the whole deparment felt like a joke at first.

[@trappnest4490]

@@tuomasu1657 I don't like Harry but I can easily admit that he was ahead of everyone in this agency

[@yogeshmalviya6529]

@@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg what program is this?

[@lifecamerakaran]

@@yogeshmalviya6529 Mad Men

[@Guitarsoul24734]

Sal was such an amazingly written character, and excellent actor, in Seasons 1-3. Really wish he had been kept as one of the key players in the Mad Men world as the show went along.

[@DaralenManta]

Dave Trachtenberg it seems strange that they never brought him back after Lucky Strike dumped them.

[@locotx215]

Absolutely. His wit and class was top notch.

[@Slop_Dogg]

Yeah his entire character just ended in “he wouldn’t do gay stuff so he got fired & went to go do some gay stuff”

[@archkull]

@@Slop_Dogg The director did plan for him to come back later on but if I remember right the actor wasn't up for it.

[@redhood444]

@@Slop_Dogg i believe he had beef with the directors son that’s why he never came back or was even mentioned again

[@thedoctorand]

"Can I get a raise?" "No, it's up to head office, and we have no control over your salary."

[@jefferyallen5030]

I lobe the pass the buck game.

[@MohammadAli-sg8bj]

My manger tells this to me every time i ask for a raise.

[@seanbailey317]

Mohammad Ali Then ask him for head offices contact info or even better an appointment to speak to them.

[@Kozenger]

@@seanbailey317 Sometimes that's the truth.

[@mushypotatoes5906]

I was just told today that my pay is decided by three separate grants and the board of directors lol 😂

[@steven7846]

- "200 dollars a week" - "Plus drink" lol

[@FanboyFilms]

Roger never knows what anyone makes. He should have said 250 and Roger would have raised him to 275.

[@PhantomJavelin]

@@FanboyFilms Roger couldn't even put a name to a face at first. He could have started at 275.

[@yazal9884]

when they go to books to make the adjustment they'll see he started at 200 so there's no way around it lol

[@norwegianblue2017]

Well it's official. I'm going to have to watch the entire series AGAIN! This show is ridiculously well written and cast.

[@BenDover-mo4jd]

What's it called? Thanks

[@norwegianblue2017]

@@BenDover-mo4jd Mad Men. Top 5 series of all time for me.

[@BenDover-mo4jd]

@@norwegianblue2017 since I like your taste, I'm gonna need the other 4. THANKS

[@norwegianblue2017]

@@BenDover-mo4jd The Sopranos, Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul, The Wire, Seinfeld. Favorite miniseries: Chernobyl. Favorite single first season: True Detective, The Terror, Rome, Firefly.

[@bencarlson4300]

The way Sterling asks his name like he doesn’t quite know him immediately establishes the power dynamic. “You matter enough to meet me but not enough for me to immediately know your name.”

[@Cenot4ph]

if an office drives on politics like this to such a degree there's already something fundamentally wrong. For a TV show I can see why it works.

[@mikeg2491]

@@Cenot4ph it’s wrong but that is how many companies are. Remember in the series they are inherently am older, conservative company and joke about the smaller agencies who smoke pot all day having better ideas.

[@adequatequality]

Damn, in today's dollars, the boss literally just bumped up his salary from $97K to $109K in a few second conversation...I'd say he got a pretty fair deal for his initiative

[@vincem4756]

"So you're in here now, I'm smiling, whataya want"? 😂 Best character ever..most American expression ever. Wish this show was still going.

[@SimMaster]

plus drinks!

[@ZoobaMaFooProDuction]

The absolute worst type of boss right there....

[@mikhail6884]

roger sterling is so smooth.

[@johnathandouglas007]

K... $299.50 That'd be me....

[@woffus]

I liked Sal’s character. Shame they cut him!

[@Mysteri0usD]

I really feel like he would have been interesting to explore, a gay man in the 60's and 70's. Real shame they didn't go further.

[@brainrich1358]

He was a great character. I mean all of the characters in this show stood out in their own ways.

[@arthurbaker8703]

I really just started watching the show but I like Sal to.

[@jameelmohammedsyed8888]

He must've asked for a raise i guess

[@rosestone8542]

@@Mysteri0usD 1

[@IRHasDiabetes911]

Harry has no idea how much power and influence he truly gained from that. I don't think he truly ever does until the end of the show.

[@BryTheNiceGuy]

There was a scene where Harry speaks his mind about something he doesn't like and walks out of a meeting. Cooper says something like "that's the best thing that kid has done in his whole time here."

[@jadentrez]

Harry is a doofus. Smart, capable, but hapless. That's why Megan basically told him to drop dead in season 7. Harry will get you to the party, but would you go home with him? Seriously. That's why Roger, Don and the other guys run rings around him.

[@jenlindley7780]

And as he was becoming better at doing his job, he was also becoming douchey, and people started to deslike him. I guess that asshole persona was really him all along, but it only came to light after he gained power and ownership.

[@maxhydekyle2425]

Idk man, he spends the later seasons basically not working and just partying in Hollywood. I think he knew how important he was and how much everyone hated him.

[@trple2]

@@jadentrez That's the simple impression but he was smart realizing the big move was asking to be a department head. there's another gear to his outlook.

[@trackmaster152002]

"Say yes."

[@Andriak2]

yes

@@Andriak2 I'll throw in new business cards; you drive a hell of a bargain!

[@Fairfieldfencer]

Lesson to everyone: ALWAYS TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU GET PAID WITH YOUR COWORKERS! Don't let your bosses con you like this guy did.

[@USMCTexan]

Never accept a counter-offer either, counter-offers are insulting. I went to my old boss and gave my two weeks notice, he said congratulations on my new endeavor. Two hours later I get called down to HR and my boss is in there with the HR dork and they put up a "counteroffer" letter, not only was it insulting compared to my new company's offer, but I told them "if I was worth more to you all this time, why did it take effort on my own part for you to pay me more?".....ZIIINNNGGGGGG

[@QixTheDS]

Yeah except he’s not worth as much as the coworker he is envious off.

[@michamarkiewicz5355]

Con? We don't live in socialist world, you make what you're worth AND what you can negotiate. Nobody should make same money.

[@Fairfieldfencer]

@@michamarkiewicz5355 Dude, if you do the same job, you should earn the same amount. Otherwise you are just helping your boss save money by letting them pay their employees less.

[@michamarkiewicz5355]

@@Fairfieldfencer imo if we have same position but my coworker make better results he should be paid better. Now if my coworker makes worse results or same results and gets paid better thats a problem. Titles mean nothing. But I can agree to disagree if you want.

[@MrTStat]

Not sure why, but the dialog in this show is just a treat to me, not just the dialog, the accents the voices, really well done!

[@bill1936]

Rule number one. Always have an equal or better paying job offer elsewhere before you ask for a raise. That way you can leave if they stop your forward career progress by denying your requested raise. If you are denied a raise you will then know what your current employer thinks about you, just a cog in a wheel and replaceable. Rule Number two. When asking for a raise by all means always always always ask for way more than you think you might get. That worked for me a few times and my pay jumped overnight by a sizable amount. Funny thing is you can do the exact same job at two different companies and what each pays for that position can be miles apart. Find the one that pays the most, you deserve it. Always be prepared to quit if your progress upward is stifled. Even when you are happy in your position always keep feelers out in the event a real opportunity becomes known. Hint: The competition knows that what you know is costly to train someone else to do.

[@USMCTexan]

Your biggest pay jumps come from jumping ship 99% of the time, work somewhere 3-5 years, jump ship. When I see these goons that are "Sr. Analyst" after giving 26 years to a company, it makes me die inside on their behalf. I jump every 3-5 years and enjoy 20-30% raises.

[@ColoradoStreaming]

It doesn't hurt to take a 1/2 day PTO earlier in the week then ask for the raise later like on Thursday. Then they assume you took a half day to meet the other employer for lunch etc.

[@mattm7798]

On your second point...i disagree. You don't go way over. You go somewhat over so there's some wiggle room. If you go way over, you demonstrate you completely overvalue your value to the company

[@mukiwabanda2794]

6 minutes of great writing, direction, performances, and everything else. Bravo

[@wealthykind8322]

what movie is this?

[@SpaghettiToaster]

@@wealthykind8322 It's from the TV show mad men.

[@markhager2216]

Funny old trope. Marching in to ask the name partner for a raise...a guy who says, "you're Crane, right?" Haha. It was quicker in the 60s to get your own department and a 10 percent raise, apparently. No HR to go through or "wait until the annual review, then ask".

[@wjatube]

Two pearls of wisdom from a retired president of a company regarding raises, so you can follow them and get your raise or dismiss them like all the other average people in the workforce: 1. It's always cheaper to retain a good employee then to hire anew. 2. I have NEVER given a raise to an employee who didn't ask for one.

[@user-ix6qr5if5y]

I hope you didn't switch up then and than in your business correspondence, too. Mr president

[@elco9791]

You probably lost many good employee's by not being proactive with raises...

[@elco9791]

@DaToNyOyO lots of people think asking for a raise is too forward and will avoid it. Whether someone is the kind of person to ask for a raise has nothing to do with whether they're good at their job. And you want employees who are good at their job, not employees who are good at playing the game.

[@Terrekain]

(1) relies on the discretion of good middle managers. (2) is often true because there are very few people with the gumption to ask for something unless they are fully justified. For "audacity" alone, such people deserve a second look to see if their raise has merit.

[@Terrekain]

@@elco9791 In my experience, people who have the kind of self-respect to speak up are also the kind of people who are go-getters. You can be surprised how much their personality and productivity (and the productivity of the people around them) can improve when they are given validation of themselves. So there were times when I relished one of my managers telling me that they had someone "angling" for a raise. Having those kinds of "problems" are signs of a healthy business. If you don't have those kinds of problems, something's wrong.

[@Willsturd]

"300...." "2 and a quarter.... say yes ..." *most intense stare with your boss* "yes" shit in pants walking on the way out MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!

[@jbot91]

I love how Roger stands up as soon as the raise is mentioned. Like it's a bake and he doesn't want to be on less than equal footing.

[@stn321]

Adjusted for inflation that raise bumped his yearly salary from $86,000 to $97,000. He didn't come out too bad

[@DaralenManta]

lynch5552933 In New York City though? His wife was a telephone operator so I’m sure that helped, but they also had a kid on the way. Personally, I wouldn’t have wanted to be in their shoes.

[@joker-0723]

@@DaralenManta NYC wasn't so bad back then. You could be poor and live in Manhattan anyway.

[@BigNothingMonsterMan]

yeah, a 12% raise isn't bad at all.

[@jonathantan2469]

@@DaralenManta In the 60s, there were parts of Manhattan that were still affordable. Greenwich Village was still cheap & boho. The LES was a dump & you could get lofts for cheap, but I'm sure the likes of Harry would avoid it. Andy Warhol was probably setting up there though...

[@jki808]

@@DaralenManta yes in New York City - New York City at that time was far more affordable, as was everywhere and everything else. University of Pennsylvania students in the 1950s were charged $600 per semester to attend an Ivy League school. Adjusted for inflation, that’s $6000 which is still nothing compared to todays costs. Today that very school asks for $70,000 a year. Also in case that wasn’t clear for the older folks in the back, that’s why when this generation asks to forgive student loans, it’s not a fucking handout. Do you think we’d be saying anything if we paid $250 a semester like you did?

[@billiamsquilliam5149]

Roger sarcastically giving Harry the head of the TV Department really changed his life and the company forever. Shows you how important it is to make sure you’re “the guy” for something

[@trple2]

very true. very smart by crane. also gives immediate leverage to leave for somewhere else. sterling wasn't exactly sarcastic. it just cost him very little to say yes. crane has almost no value to the company other than as a sort of backup to other positions and manpower. so giving him whatever he wants and where you can see what he does with it is an easy yes.

[@mattm7798]

Also making yourself indisposable

[@Ben-ly6pe]

"As in, this place can't run without you?" "Well, how the hell do I do that?" It's coincidental that in becoming head of the Media Department, by the later seasons Harry's work is fundamental to the success of the agency, to the point of him almost becoming a partner. He learnt how to become indispensable.

[@tom_something]

"How about two and a quarter?" I think he was just offered $200.25.

[@LittleMacscorner]

Funny....but, he was offer $225.00 :P

[@charles-ng6jj]

Lol I thought it was $2.25

[@80sOutrunFan]

25 dollars, in those days not bad

[@stevenportillo7353]

Little Mac 225 dollars don't you understand metaphors!?

[@voteZDLR]

Obviously it's $225 lol

[@masukuma]

"No one around here makes that." - "I know! That's why I want it! No one runs the television department around here!

[@IFA1]

Ben Ngumi damn, the plays that would of been nice comeback

[@jasonpham4554]

And not a nice outcome.

[@kevinp665]

Jason Pham could be a nice outcome if you laughed it off and leveled with him again saying you want 250 a week and it matters that it’s at 250 and nothing less.

[@RubbelisPro]

it's always the greedy ones calling those who want a raise greedy

[@mista_fur3346]

Testify.

[@mista_fur3346]

I think it's called projecting in psychology.

[@DrZaius3141]

@Inebriatd The boss is usually the boss because he won the lottery of life. Roger is boss because his daddy was rich. He never really shows any business acumen and is in fact extremly wasteful with money. However as it goes with money, once you got enough you can pay others to do the work, it's difficult to ever lose money. Unless you're as utterly bad as Donald Trump who inherented a boat load and hemorrhaged money whatever he did. Dude is so incapable, he lost money running a casino.

[@5000MikeMaster]

Inebriatd if you call “cunning” a virtue of being political and knowing the right person or being related to them even more so then yes

[@obi-wankenobi1750]

@DrZaius3141 And yet he is a billionaire and was president of the most powerful country in the world… and you are…?

[@AnthonyMcCaul-c9g]

I could watch MAD MEN over and over again. Everything about it is perfect, down to the desk accessories. Can't get better!

[@mrm4921]

Client: I wish we were a different kind of company. Don: We all work for someone The writing on this MadMen is the best

[@vickjr98]

So so good

[@michaelthompson3284]

It's almost a worse feeling when you try to sound tough with your initial request by asking for more than you think you're worth and they go "oh pff, no problem"

[@daxisperry7644]

Yeah. When that happens you want to go, "Hang on, I meant to say more." XD

[@BatmanHQYT]

@@daxisperry7644 Nightcrawler has a clever and insidious version of this scenario.

[@daxisperry7644]

@@BatmanHQYT Oh yeah! I remember that scene. That was a wild movie.

[@peter455sd]

You drive one hell of a bargain,LOL,yeah right !

[@Schugger1]

Getting owned by your boss :D Well with that kind of Boss you certainly know your company will do fine no matter what.

[@LeftIsBest]

If you're not getting owned in a negotiation by your boss at a marketing and sales company, it might be time to apply for their position.

[@epie6]

Such a solid show with great acting and research. Miss it.

[@tomservo5347]

It's what I like about being a skilled maintenance worker, jack of all trades type. It allows me a degree of autonomy because of my skills that doesn't keep me chained to a machine like a production worker. Tried that for 2 weeks and hated it. Taking an industrial maintenance course with my GI Bill was the best decision I've ever made.

[@DudeWatIsThis]

What does that have to do with this video? Lmao.

[@tomservo5347]

@@DudeWatIsThis You have a lot more leverage asking for a raise if you possess technical skills-especially today as there's a shortage of skilled workers because college is all that's pushed.

[@jonathanlocke6404]

Roger was one of those bosses who you went in to see, had this whole case planned out in your mind that you were gonna present to him, then it went nothing like you thought it would. You walked out thinking: "What the hell just happened?"

[@kinsgaming8197]

Man I wish asking for a raise worked like that in the real world. Every time I have ever asked for a raise I got the run around "we will talk about that during your review next week" "I dont control that its set up by XYZ department" "You are already making the max we pay people in X position" And then in a month or two I get that raise at a new company.... I am tired of looking for a new job every time I ask for a raise.

[@Excalibur2]

Same. Never gotten a raise from asking for one, but I've gotten big pay bumps by switching jobs altogether.

[@mattm7798]

LOL....someone said it in another comment. A great way to phrase it is something like "what do I have to do to make $x(or acheive x pay grade)". That way you make it known you are willing to work for it and there is a clear path upward. If they respond to that with nonesense...find a new job that pays more.

[@thescoutabout]

You are now the head of the Television Department. Which comprised solely of you. Anything else?

[@danlorett2184]

I haven't asked for many raises at jobs I already had, but every time I get a job I always negotiate for a higher wage. Really it's not terribly hard: know your selling points, know what the going rate for the job is in the area, and use those to your advantage. Are they hiring you for going rate or below? Never take less than going rate. Really, if you're a decent employee (or there's no reason the person hiring you doesn't know you're NOT a decent employee, lol) never take going rate either. Just have some good reasons why you should get more and say you're interested in working for them, but you need more money because X. Don't be afraid to ask for more (or just different) benefits if you can't get more money. Ask for a preferred working schedule. Or the reverse: use your ability to work a schedule they really need to get more money. It's mostly just using your brain and either having or faking confidence. Only twice have I not gotten more money, and both those times I got something else (once I got my employer to pay my contribution for healthcare instead, once I got a better schedule).

[@AngelLopez-gq7jy]

its been proven that just repeating asking a raise gives you a raise as the boss just wants to shut u up

[@j_freed]

I would've countered *"225 is good, 235 would be better…"* And then dropped a friendly expectant smile. This is both respectfully appreciative and sporting the opportunistic. His boss would've respected him more either way. It wasn't like he'd lose for asking.

[@AtreVire]

Pfft, i wouldve shot for two and three quarters. He was gunning for a 50% raise and settled for a 10% one. That's weak negotiation.

[@mattm7798]

In this case since he asked for $300(which IMO is WAY too much from his current salary), he could have countered with $250 and still sounded reasonable. The counter offer is always the hard part for me, because what you want to say is "i couldnt accept any less than $250", but then you're giving an ultimatum, which you don't always want to do. Instead, I would tend to say "how about $250?", which is a weak way to phrase it. I think something like "I appreciate the offer but I feel my work warrants at least $250" . That way, it's not an ultimatum, and you don't tip your hand that you never expected $300 anyway.

[@ColinMI75]

It's simple, if you don't think your being paid well enough or treated well enough, start looking for another job. Once the job is found, you go to your employer and tell them politely you have been offered better options if they value you they won't let you walk, if your not valuable you walk on to better prospects.

[@SpaceDad42]

People are a dime a dozen. They would let you walk. They don’t care

[@ripuup]

if you take inflation into account $300 in 1960 is nearly $2500 today

[@VivaMessico]

lol

[@davidp2707]

I make 3500 a week. Big deal

[@papimiloson2854]

what do you do sir

[@CountArtha]

Yeah, but he's married in New York City. Even back then the cost of living was sky-high.

[@tomoakley760]

"You drive a hell of a bargain" -- if you ever hear these words in a negotiation, you've already lost.

[@amattchronism]

"Mr. Krabs can I have a raise?" "No"

[@mastahcheff]

I love how Roger ask Peggy how much she makes. Her reply is "you don't know? that's helpful". Roger used the same tactic with Harry when he asked for a raise and he ended up not getting the amount he wanted. This shows how ambitious and able to take charge of the situation. Unlike her counterparts, who were viewed higher by just being a man.

[@thenewyearsgrinch]

Sweet pickup! I never noticed this.

[@cbusjones2657]

Or the writers just wanted to have each situation play out differently.

[@Terszel]

Exactly, same reason you should never tell a new job how much you make currently, ask for what you want, if they dont budge they will never give you your value

[@LucasFernandez-fk8se]

They weren’t “viewed higher for being a man” they had different skill sets. However there was sexism in the show towards Peggy but Peggy trained to be a secretary (a low paid position) and expecting her to make as much as a man in a different job position with 5-8 years experience is silly. The real issue is how don refused to give her raises when she became more skilled at her job

[@TighelanderII]

That's right! OMG. So he could have told Roger that he made $275, and Roger would have raised it up to the $300 he was looking for.

[@blinkfan305]

4:08 Don says everything without saying anything “Take it easy. You’re not going to win every battle.”

[@chrisbilling]

scene starts at 4:30

[@Gruesome_j]

Chris billing in this case i dont mind watching the entire thing, no need for the time stamp

[@Laurian21]

roger and crane had the funniest interactions on this show

[@CountArtha]

"You're always up to SOMETHING, aren't you Crane?"

[@Magido89]

"Yes, happy birthday"

[@InfectedByZanza]

Make yourself valuable, I started on shit salary, learnt the system, volunteered to teach others, made myself hard to replace, I have asked for a raise (3k more), they said no, 2 weeks later I have handed in my notice (3 weeks) as I found better paying job, but shitty location so I would need to commute for longer, last week of my job had a chat with branch manager, offered to give me the 3k raise, I said no, got 5.5k instead,

He was offered 12.5% raise in salary. When you're offered that kind of raise, you just say yes.

[@mattm7798]

Hmmm, when you're initial request is 50%, accepting 12.5% makes you look really weak. I would say a counter of $250 would have been smart, maybe settling for $240-$245.

[@kurt7937]

@@mattm7798 its really beyond baffling nobody is mentioning this. its called a barter/negotiation for a reason. how anyone can see his composure, demeanor, and lack of counter offer and not think of it as weak is mind-boggling. everyone thinks its a big win when boss was fine with 250$.

[@Wish8312]

Michael Scott already taught us how to handle an employee seeking a raise!

[@joejohn.]

Gotta mumble under your breath and lean back in your chair to achieve a position of dominance.

[@Wish8312]

Joe John That’s it!

[@SJReid82]

He also taught us how to properly declare bankruptcy.

[@tripsbacks]

Yeah. Roger wasn't cross dressed.

[@danielm8151]

Harry's little visits with Roger are always comedy gold.

[@jamielancaster01]

That extra $25 a week is about $225 in today’s money (2020). He makes about $105,350 a year.

[@DannyPerski]

This actually works. Shoot high when negotiating a raise, they will often meet you in the middle.

[@INeedHerPomPomJuice]

yeah moron, that's why he got 225. definitely in the middle

[@HOTEPSTEVEMARTIN]

Never shoot too high or they will just laugh you out the room

[@bennyrodriguez8788]

Thelondonbadger how do I get a burger 🍔

[@TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Jordan McKenzie: That's what she said.

[@nyterpfan]

EXACTLY!! If you aim too high they'll look at you like you're deluded and then you're screwed!! Aim higher...but just enough where they'll negotiate with you and you can get what you truly want (or close.) The trick is to make THEM feel like they got a good deal as well....it takes finesse.

[@sonnysantana5454]

ive gotten raises when i should've been promoted , and of the 2'times that ive asked for a raise was mildly surprised when they gave them to me , one of my odd bosses a nam vet once told me that it wasn't always hard work and sweat that got 1' a raise , timing and a good sense of humor and quick wit add to the punch bowl

[@christopherramsey7027]

Watching this the first time it felt like he was getting cheated, but he actually got a 12.5% raise in a quick conversation which is pretty good.

[@KashiwaDaisuke]

This happened to me when I asked for a raise once. I didn't give my boss an exact number offer, but in passing, I told him that I felt my workload was too high for my current salary. He simply said he'd put in a good word for me, and about a month later, I randomly got a 17% raise. Felt pretty good.

[@SpaghettiToaster]

No, he got ripped because he knows full well that people make over 300 a week.

[@RaoulDuke77]

Roger is spectacular, my favorite character by far

[@tommyahadldldl6331]

Hes the real deal

[@dontask6863]

“I’ll throw in business cards- you drive a hellova bargain.” Lmfao

[@RobertKaydoo]

"Sal" (Bryan Batt) is a great character. I hope they find a way to bring him back into the story. Peace.

[@benn1181]

They won't. They pretty much said that he's been killed off. They wanted to have some "deaths" be permanent like in other shows.

[@August3B]

Michael Dominici good, that's disgusting...

[@Iamnickrobinson]

He was killed off because the actor didn't get along with Matthew Weiner.

[@matthewminchillo4865]

He was Homosexual but wouldn't sleep with a male client, this is Advertising if you cant handle clients even when there agreeing with you wont last long.

[@mikhail6884]

matthew minchillo he had a girlfriend in the show.

[@josealejandrolirafuerte2654]

- ¨Hoy much money do you make?¨ . ¨Two hundred a week.¨ - ¨PLUS drinks.¨ I lost it! lol

[@Skerdy]

You drive a hell of a bargain... the most ironic quote of the entire show!

[@Brakarei]

I loved Sal. He was sorely missed in the 2nd half of the show.

[@BMoore556]

a shame he got written out of the show

[@benno291980]

How to Handle: an employer who doesn't want to give a raise. When you know you're due in about 6-8mos, go to your superior and ask "what do I have to do to get X raise"? Aim high but not ridiculously high. They'll sound foolish if they say "that's not possible" because it sounds like they're discouraging productivity and employee growth. If you're already a great employee, you'll probably get a response like "uhhh just keep doing what you're doing", and boom you just locked them into a set raise of your choosing. And if you've gotten them to agree to 12-15% there's no way you'll get less than 10. Done this myself a few times.

[@knightsonofjack]

Talk to your co-workers about how much you all make. It gives all of you leverage over management.

[@robertm4050]

It also makes you bitter when you realize that you are making substantially less than someone you think is below you. Or it puts a target on your back when someone thinks you make more than you should. It will not get you more money more times than not. Most jobs do not value you. I found finding a huge legal issue is the best way to find more money. My house agrees.

[@Zkkr429]

You didn’t listen to Sal at all! The weakest way to negotiate a pay rise is saying I deserve more because such and such earns this. The best way is to say I deserve more because I deliver XY&Z.

[@unreal513]

Roger kills me in this scene. In total control. Great writing and acting.

[@ykMMD]

I just love the cross sign when he names him head of the media department 😂 Cracks me up every time

[@slippinslidewayz]

If you're in a field, you probably want to make a few company shifts before settling. Oftentimes your pay will stagnate at a single company. I received a 4% raise and a 10% one time bonus for my promotion at my last employer last year. This year I accepted the next level promotion at a new company for a 54% raise and a 10% bonus per annum.

[@mattm7798]

Yep, this!!! It's amazing how you can do the exact same job and get paid quite more with one company than the other. Also to bosses, asking for a rasie is NOT easy and shows the employees wants to stay and work for the company...reward that if it's a reasonable request(unless they're a terrible employee and you don't care if they leave)

[@David-sq2en]

The fastest way to get a raise is to get hired by someone new... This guy is making $200 they are not going to give him $300, no matter what... but if they hire a new guy, it is likely they start him up at $300... so the solution is, to be the new guy, somewhere else.

[@MrAriel4444]

Well you can ask, and if they refuse, then yes, you go find a new job with better pay.

[@David-sq2en]

@DjRawd0g Move up to where?

[@David-sq2en]

@DjRawd0g You can apply to any job position on any company, as long as you have the requirements... How long have you being on the job market?

[@David-sq2en]

@DjRawd0g So why companies try to recruit top executives form other companies instead off giving the job to the guy that started 30 years ago as janitor? If you are good in 1 company you are pretty much good on all of them... so let them offer and take the best one... Just saying...

[@GalaxyGreySi]

This is why performance based pay plans will always be superior. Pay as a percentage of profits with bonuses available for performance above and beyond. Pay is dynamic and rises with inflation and company profits, employees are highly invested in the success of their department and their company.

[@millergoldagency]

"How to handle an employee seeking a raise" - Give him a raise

[@aaronbays4]

I always thought the writers did Sal dirty when they fired him/got rid of him in season 3, really wish Sal had been around to the end of the show. Maybe Bryan Batt wanted out to do other work, not sure about that. Sal was one of my favorite characters, the "dual" life he lived like so many of the other male characters was much more treacherous for him if somebody discovered it.

[@glengamble526]

Aaron Bays agreed. The potential for that character was huge. Great actor, too.

[@andrewbarker2422]

Just finished binge watching Mad Men again, interesting to note how Harry headed the TV dept, ends up advertising on the west coast in Hollywood, brings in the computer which took up a ton of space and near the end he asks for a partnership near the end of SC & P in which ended up getting him a fat check instead. At the end he is the butt of a joke to Roger when they get absorbed by McCann Erickson, so I would say they got their money's worth with that raise....they kept him in his place. Reminds me of the common working man, you can do so much fot your company, spend years building and watching it grow only to get zilch at the end. Great show, love it

[@DarthSathion]

Asking for raises doesn’t always work. I worked at a Restaraunt doing the jobs of multiple people getting paid the second lowest wage. Boss knew my value, knew that if I walked his life would become drastically more complicated without me to do everything that I did. I asked for a raise to what would put me on less than equal footing with my peers for the amount of work I did, boss declined crying poor and the money just wasn’t there, contrary to the fact. Boss then fired me a month or two later because his pride was too wounded that I would insulate that my wages were fair to the rest of the crew. Lesson of the story: never work too hard for too long unless your getting your fair share because there is no loyalty in the business world. Found a better job with higher wages at the fraction of the work load.

[@clayjack9969]

A lot of jobs, especially entry level or lower wage jobs, don’t care how hard you work as long as you get it done by the end of the day. All you have to be is good enough for them not to fire you, anymore then that is just wasted energy.

[@davegreene1198]

I asked for a raise back in the day... He said no. I went out and got a better job. Years later I heard he got shocked by a high voltage wire off a boom lift. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Thing is... I'd been the guy running the boom lift and easily avoided the high voltage wire if he had given me a buck an hour raise. Mores the pity.

[@SirEriol]

Look at him, still clumsy, still a bit of a jerk, but overall a sweet and caring guy. A guy with avobe average morals. He doesn't know it yet. This is the exact moment when Harry Crane began climbing up his own downfall.

[@sergeantseven4240]

In most other countries except for the US, its standard to discuss your wage. In the US its been hammered in to our work culture that you keep it hush hush, who started that? the employers. The same people who busted unions and regulations that protect the employee. If they had it their way they would have slaves working for them instead of employees.

[@SantaWithGuns]

I find I always get offered a good raise after I put in my 2 weeks notice. I still must be doing something wrong, as they don't believe of my departure until my last few days on their company.

[@Lieutenant_Dude]

2 and a quarter: say yes Yes You drive a helluva bargain. Love roger.

[@viktorsilva4017]

Teacher: "you got a D" Me: *"it's an A, say yes"*

[@mdflorida1233]

Roger had all the power in that meeting. And he knew it.

[@pp-bb6jj]

FF to where he has to bribe Harry for office change.

[@mdflorida1233]

@@pp-bb6jj and he had very little power in that meeting. And he knew it.

[@RedNovaMedia]

This end scene couldn't be more perfect. When he did the cross sign I almost wet myself laughing.

[@foxfiresidechats5227]

“Are you arguing with me” Best Answer “No, I’m disagreeing with you”

[@k.chriscaldwell4141]

The best way to get a raise is to Always Be Looking (ABL) for a new position elsewhere. If they valued you and your work, they’d give you a raise or promote you without you needing to ask. Funny is how, nine times out of ten, your current employer will make you an honest offer right after the first employment history check call. DON’T fall for the _what will it take to keep you_ line. Let them offer what they think you’re worth to them. ABL

[@OsamaBinLooney]

you are now the head of the television department....which is comprised solely of you... LMAO

[@Quickeasyguitarlessons]

Offering a drink is actually a psychological trick to make person feel like they now owe something to you for receiving that drink.

[@patakisatori4861]

Man. $300 a week. Must have been nice when that was a lot of money.

[@MissSavvy]

I really miss Sal.

[@kleenx73]

Same

[@fluentinsilence]

$300 * 52 = $15,600 before taxes in 1960; inflation adjusted = $157,744.22 ($300 adjusted is $3,033.54). Handsome salary for someone in ads.

[@justkidshavinfun764]

What's the show? I'm in Australia and never heard of or seen it

[@digolaverdad7313]

Harry was actually a good employer. He saw the importance that TV and then computers were going to have in the upcoming years. Same with Pete Campell who saw times changing with the female and black consumers. In fact Don was a great bs artist but bad businessman because he was always on the wrong side of all of these issues. In fact some fans of the show allowed themselves to be mesmerized by Don Drapper's cool persona and didn't realize any of this lol

[@comedeyzone]

Damn I didn't know they made that much back then.

[@ethanholshouser5648]

What, $10-15k?

[@TheKbooey]

Calculating for inflation in the 1960s it's $90,507 US in today's monetary value.

[@whoisandreyy]

comedeyzone make America great again

[@MegaMagicdog]

Taxes are theft. I don't get welfare/ebt/etc. I don't get midnight basketball, free school lunches (even when school is not in session), free education, free housing, help with paying rent, free legal help, etc. I do get to ride on rough roads and poor infrastructure, dodging druggie bums on the street, while politicians raise my taxes because in their eyes I'm making too much.

[@issue200]

You absolute idiot

[@enzov9772]

Roger here: “No one makes that around here” Roger with Peggy: “How much do you make sweetheart?” Peggy: “You don’t know huh? That’s helpful.” So either 1) Roger doesn’t know, or 2) Roger liked Peggy enough to have her give him an offer like an equal.

[@JustSomeCanadianGuy]

1:31 - Such an accurate depiction of going to someone for help. Because I would NEVER think to just throw it out and assume the guy goes and asks for a new one! 😆

[@onmarsnow]

The problem is when John Doe makes 10$ per hour and has been there 5 years dedicated and ole Jane makes 11$ per hour as a new hire. John will half ass his job from now on when he finds out and or ask for a raise. The fact is an experienced employee shouldn’t have to beg with cap in hand to make as much as new hires.