Acolyte CANCELLED - What’s Next for Star Wars - EXPLAINED

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[@AL-ho1id]

Don't really comment, like ever, but I'm too curious not to ask. Ryan, you mentioned it was out of order, that it's better if you tell the story in order. What is this order you speak of and does screencrush have an episode order recommendation? Also, order. Order, order order order order. Sry lol. Thanks for the great show and hope to watch The Acolyte again in Screencrush ...ORDER

[@lordlobster3793]

Ryan. No offence but you and Colton need to chill out on your hypocrite takes. You can’t call those complaining about Kit Andi Mundi’s age “amateur fans”. Amateur fans wouldn’t care about such a detail. And in the same video how can Colton call anyone “whiny” while complaining about criticisms? The show could’ve been better and fans deserved better. It has nothing to do with wokeism, lesbian witches, twins of colour, etc. How can we care about these characters when they’ve done nothing to warrant such emotions? Mae constantly changing her mind every episode was so off-putting. Lastly, as fans of SW. Do better. Stop looking at non-criticisms and actually look at real ones.

[@matsschuiling3429]

I don't understand how you can call yourself an Star Wars fan and still liked the acolyte. Crazy

[@matsschuiling3429]

There was really nothing great about this show

[@johnmclean5978]

I will never see that sock puppet the same way again

[@elsongs]

PALPATINE: Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? ANAKIN: No PALPATINE: I thought not. It's not a story Disney+ would tell you.

[@Joe-xo4yg]

Oh snap Shots fired Eh Sabers ignited

[@richardyounger5129]

This made me laugh way harder than expected 😂

[@galahcockatoo]

I agree. Missed opportunity from the Mouse.

[@jedipadwan20]

PALPATINE: You see Anakin, Disney+ made a series known as the acolyte it was fine but Darth Plagues only showed up during the episode of the show and we never got to learn how he taught me I mean his student the way of the Sith. They say the mouse was wise but in fact it wasn’t it was dam to bring my master I mean Darth Plagues into a show before it was his time to reveal himself. How ironic they thought they could save Star Wars buy bring him in but they didn’t they only hasten its death. ANAKIN: Palpatine what is the acolyte? PALPATINE: I told you my boy a tv series about a supposedly student of the great and wise Darth Plagues I mean Darth Plagues my boy. Haha! ANAKIN: Why did this show fail. PALPATINE: They thought they knew about Star Wars. Which was in fact they didn’t. ANAKIN: What’s a Star Wars? PALPATINE: My boy that our story told in a realm outside our own. ANAKIN: Outside our own? What do you mean the Jedi have nothing like about another place outside our galaxy.?! PALPATINE: My boy that why the Jedi will fall I mean fail in ending this war we’re in. ANAKIN: Is there a way to end this war? PALPATINE: Yes by joining me in becoming a sith I mean by finding the Sith responsible for the war count DOOKU was not the real master I’m sure of it. ANAKIN: How do you know he wasn’t the real master Sith? PALPATINE: my boy follow me. WALK FROM WHERE THEY WERE TO PALPATINE OFFICE. PALPATINE: My boy this here is my lightsaber I built it under my master watch. ANAKIN: Master watch Chancellor what do you mean are you a Jedi who left the order years ago?. PALPATINE: no Anakin, my true nature is Sith the Jedi are looking for. The very same one who Darth Plagues The Wise took has his student in the dark side of the force. The acolyte show was meant to be a show about my master finding me only it was not really true, they turn into a show about space witches knowing the secret to create life. ANAKIN: Chancellor I don’t want to say but by order of the Jedi order I place under arrest! PALPATINE: My boy don’t do this I won’t harm you but if you don’t let me stay in power as Chancellor your wife will die like in your dreams. ANAKIN: What you say Chancellor. RAISING HIS SABER TO THE CHANCELLOR THROAT. PALPATINE: Anakin please drop your saber please. ANAKIN: I won’t say it again give up and come to the Jedi Council will decide your fate. PALPATINE: so be it Jedi. PALPATINE ATTACKS ANAKIN AN IN DEFENSE ANAKIN COUNTERS WITH ATTACKS OF HIS WHER HE ABLE TO CUT OFF PALPATINE HANDS ENDING THE DUEL IN LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES. PALPATINE: You know my boy you would have made a good Sith your name could have been Darth Vader. ANAKIN: Chancellor by order of the galactic republic you are here under arrest. The Jedi Council an senate will decide your fate. MONTHS LATER PALPATINE IS FOUND GULITY OF BEING A SITH AN SENTENCED TO JEDI JAIL FOR THE REST OF SITH LIFE. PADME LIVE AN GIVE BORN TO TWINS NAME QUIGON AN LEA. THE IDEA FOR MY VERSION OF THE STORY GOES TO @ELSONGS FOR WRITING THE BEGINNING OF THE STORY IN THE COMMENT CONNECTED TO THIS THANK YOU @ELSONGS FOR THE IDEA.

[@robsolf]

Love it! Lemme try... PALPATINE: Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? ANAKIN: No PALPATINE: Well, he used to creep around this buff dark jedi like some kinda pervert. So let me tell you about the dark jedi's new girlfriend...

[@bovbovverson4973]

“Tell the story you’re telling, don’t tell me the next story” is a perfect quote regarding the larger problems

[@Necroside145]

Nothing is guaranteed, and so many shows/studios fall victim to it.

[@nickohhh]

big time

[@bly87823]

Exactly, tell a good story and don't do Tarantino time jumps if you don't know how to do it properly. End of story. Give us proper story arcs.

[@TheAlphaKap]

Tell me what you're gonna tell me, tell me, tell me what you told me. Exactly. The Acolyte was only mystery boxes, because we all enjoyed the JJ Abrams crap so much.

[@FantasmaEVH]

Couldn’t agree more. This is exactly what we all want from these stories

[@davidwindell]

Andor was perfectly self contained and done exceptionally well.

[@lawrenceberny4490]

Last good project from Star Wars does any even like modern day Star Wars makes me hate my childhood

[@katraapplesauce1203]

Let's be honest, andor worked well because rogue one preceded it. It worked because we knew the stakes and we know the outcome in advance. try imagine watching andor if rogue one didn't exist, most people would absolutely not watch past the first 2 episodes

[@Seldz1]

@@katraapplesauce1203 Absolutely wrong. Andor worked because of excellent dialogue, plot, themes, etc.. I’m pretty sure no one is recalling “Rogue One” in order to appreciate it. It was a show with brains, unlike the other crap Disney has released.

[@Seldz1]

@@katraapplesauce1203 In fact, I’ll go one step further and suggest that the fact that Andor was associated to Rouge One, created an even greater uphill struggle to get an audience.

[@Lordoftheramble]

@@katraapplesauce1203 I was actively avoiding Andor because of the Rogue One connection, but I saw a review I trusted that recommended it. I watched Andor with a friend has never seen Rogue One. We both loved it. I do agree the 1st 2 episodes are the weakest of the season. But the show easily stands on its own, best use of the Star Wars IP I have seen in many years.

[@gregmize01]

TLDR -The show cost a lot of money -not a lot of people watched it

[@TheDarkrebel131]

Because it was trash like it was hard to watch 😭

[@yansideabacoa6257]

@@TheDarkrebel131it wasn’t hard to watch, it was entertaining

[@TheDarkrebel131]

@@yansideabacoa6257 so entertaining that it got canceled and couldn’t even finish a story with 180 million budget 😭

[@arifkimy4700]

​@@TheDarkrebel131😂😂😂 The power one

[@ArielDiaz-ec6zi]

Labeling fans won't fix the flaws, it's good stories that earn applause.

[@miguelferrazcosta]

Yep, it seems that fans that are more loudly critics are the ones to blame. 🤷‍♂️

[@Landofhim]

It was a good show though.

[@magicalmanfromwonderland]

​@@Landofhim I couldn't finish it. Was just too boring.

[@markwager8294]

They should continue the story with a show called Star Wars: The Rule of Two and completely focus on the Sith and show us how we got from here to Sidious.

[@2kooldancin]

Love that idea! I was kinda just hoping that was what this show was going to be but it wasn’t given the chance.

[@playboig4696]

Bro write an episode and prepose it to the studio

[@thescousecleaner]

And in the first episode they should have Plaguis chant "the rule of one, the rule of two, the rule of maaaaaaaaaannnyyyy"

[@marcusbethea7724]

Facts because almost all Star Wars media that talks about the force focuses on the “light” or Jedi ways of the force.

[@SuperMattman21]

Yoda’s downfall was lack of foresight and ignorance, not straight up corruption. Not a story I want to hear.

[@wesley8616]

A show doesn't get cancelled just because of reviews, but mainly on viewership. And the viewers decided the Acolyte wasn't worth watching. I hope another group of handlers/writers gets a chance to explore this era. Stressing another group...

[@exodus0316]

reviews play a major part in it though too... there have been many good even great shows and viewership is up but reviews are down and companies get rid of those shows... just recently much of that has happened... it sucks... but it isn't unheard of...

[@shift7808]

​@@exodus0316no one does this. If a show is being watched, it doesn't matter what people say about it online, and company will keep running it back until the well is dried up. Reviews can impact viewership, but not a company's willingness to renew a show.

[@boltneck1853]

​@@shift7808 but how many potential viewers didn't both watching due to the shade the haters were throwing at the show even before it was screened! Go back and read comments on the episode breakdowns and was full of people saying they hadn't bothered to watch due to the reviews (that weren't reviews just haters!)

[@shift7808]

@@boltneck1853 It wouldn't have mattered. Viewership immediately fell off a cliff after the first 2 episodes. Meaning, plenty of people gave it a chance, weren't entertained, and stopped watching. So, if more people started watching initially, that just means more people would've "stopped" watching too.

[@ladytaka432]

They need to release the whole season at once. We love to binge now.

[@KirillGarder]

Easy question why Ahsoka gets S2 and Acolyte doesn’t: Ahsoka inherits the momentum of Rebels and Thrawn

[@DailyNihilism]

Ahsoka was a known character. Who the hell is the acolyte? Turns out no one they don't even call anyone that in the show.

[@doubleohnine]

@@KirillGarder I loved Ahsoka as a show on its own. I haven't seen Any of the cgi star wars or read any of those books or any of that, so coming from someone who only knows that show it was amazing and stood on its own. No forcing in (no pun) the real life views of the director or actors.

[@oplars6487]

​@@doubleohnineboth rebels ans cw were way better, you're missing out

[@ThomasRocha-yl9wo]

Ahsoka was even garbage

[@doubleohnine]

@@oplars6487 I can't get into that artstyle, but I can give it credit for good story telling

[@shadowTheRizzhog1]

The biggest problem with the shows on Disney Plus, and Netflix IMO, are the runtimes. Both HBO and Prime shows seem more intense because they give us ten one hour episodes. Some episodes are even longer than an hour. Nothing seems rushed or skipped over. The Acolyte also screwed up by trying out the mystery format and failing miserably. Just show us the story in order, combine the flashback episodes into one, and focus more on the emotional fallout. The Jedi suicide would have been more believable and tragic, the Wookie losing his mind and becoming a hermit would have been more believable and tragic. Sol's story would have been the most tragic of all. Everything would have been much more intense.

[@miguelferrazcosta]

Yup and they are now asking for more money for 30 minute episodes.

[@Vermax-n6j]

Let’s not forget that if you have a Disney Plus account Disney can legally kill you

[@Antec76]

lol what?

[@Vermax-n6j]

@@Antec76 the dudes and his wife went to a restaurant at some Disney resort or something and she had a peanut allergy. They told the staff and the restaurant and they assured the couple that the food was safe to eat. The women ended up dying from a food allergy because the food was not safe like they said. The husband tried to sue Disney and they told him he can’t sue because he has a Disney plus account.

[@doro626]

@@Antec76 There is a clause in the Disney Plus subscription where you agree not to sue Disney. You have to go through arbitration.

[@CSNA_Gaming]

That can't be legal. You can't just bury some clause in your terms of service that you can't sue them for something unrelated to the subscription service you have been subscribed to.

[@McKeeNJackson]

@@Vermax-n6jit wasn’t even a restaurant owned by Disney tho. It was a restaurant just at the resort but was not owned by Disney at all

[@steveno7058]

Trolls can be jerks and the show can be crap. Both were true

[@tejida815]

💯

[@andrewkeller2842]

That’s kinda not false

[@danielkim672]

True. But it’s ur trolling when the show is genuinely terrible and the powers that be want to prop it up as good ?

[@talesyuki]

@@danielkim672 I mean, sure the show wasn't great, but it had negative reviews like three months before even airing so, no, there's not going to be any credits for the trolls.

[@Inurdot]

​@@talesyuki, that's not true. If you use the Wayback Machine, you'll find that no reviews were there until the day it aired.

[@PlayerEternal]

I would love to see Colton and StarWarsTheory go at it about the whole canon bit. StarWarsTheory completely disagrees so it would be interesting to see that back and forth and who brings the empirical research!😍

[@FromTrash2Treasure]

Agreed. Conversations are so important and they must continue to happen related to entertainment like this or even politics. We need to continue to talk to each other.

[@ShinySephiroth1]

Colton's citations have trumped all I've seen come from SW Theory imo

[@zerolegacy7821]

Colton would get crushed by Star Wars Theory. That’s why he never will debate anyone. It’s easy to say what you want in a room of people who agree with you but he’d never debate a legit counter thinker.

[@jbeattie02]

@@zerolegacy7821shouting loudest doesn’t equal being right. SWT version of canon is his personal head canon, he ignores that Disney eradicated the old expanded universe, even then he is consistently wrong about the old expanded universe.

[@ShinySephiroth1]

@@jbeattie02 Like how Ki Adi's birthdate isn't canon anymore.

[@jeremyneilsen1263]

I actually liked: - Sets and practical effects/ environments - alien to human ratios - some of the fights - seeing plageus - half the jedi getting taken out - didn't hate qimir

[@nardlane1578]

@@jeremyneilsen1263 -The sets looked cheap compared to the budget -Most of the characters were human -Some if the fight scene were cool, but most of them didn't belong in the star wars universe - having the jedi be taken was cool, but it was already done, plus they didn't build any of the characters enough to make this impactful, which also took away from the fight scenes - I didn't hate qimir, but I didn't like him either. Nothing compelling about him he's just there. This show sucked so much ass. I can't find anything good about it because even the good things are done so poorly, it just ruins it. There best hope is that people forget they made this show.

[@flyingmatteo89]

They had 3 or 4 locations in total lol And they all looked incredibly cheap considered the show costed 180 millions

[@blairhoughton7918]

You don't mention Jecki. You're cancelled.

[@SurlockGnomez]

Having an actual TV series instead of a chopped up bad film would be a good way to go. Being able to explore individual characters in depth as they can in novels can easily be done by having separate episodes for different characters. This is something that Boba Fett did very well in terms of character introduction; what it did wrong was have to share this 50/50 with the plot of the overall series due to the limited amount of shows. Proper TV shows (Star Trek TNG and Quantum Leap) have a start middle and end and can be watched out of order and some episodes even missed (for example if it's a Deanna heavy episode). This is due to each episode maybe only having a 5% connection to the overall series arc, rather than 50%. They then use 2 part episodes to take the role of having a film like experience where all characters are involved. All Disney+ shows have been trying to turn a 2 part episode into a whole series - which is why it feels like there is a lot of filler even though there aren't many episodes. They have to much time and to little time at the same time, so you end up with the messes we've been FORCE fed.

[@dawolfman1973]

And here was Ryan, all simpin’ for Disney when everyone else wasn’t afraid to tell the truth: The Acolyte sucked.

[@Betazeno]

1-4 were not great but 5-8 were really good. Still better than any of the Marvel TV shows and movies... With the exception of Deadpool which was finally pretty good.

[@sahdirellis4901]

Exactly! And this shit was NOT better than X-Men '97. That show was well written.............this was not. So to all who are trying to blame this on reviews..........COPE harder!

[@Gator5000e]

I think a big part of the problem is these episodes,are so short. You just start getting into the story and there’s a sudden ending of the episode. These shows need at least a full 50 minutes of time per episode at 8 episodes a season. This way they can develop characters, backstories and plot in a more satisfying way.

[@raymosmookle9373]

How about more than 8 episodes !? Fewer shows, better shows, more arcs.

[@wendyagogocasting]

I completely agree… or they should have just had 6 episodes-

[@nickohhh]

Yeah totally! Each episode felt rushed, even when it plodded along, because of that super tight container. Shortest possible season of shortest possible episodes, so we lose all the juicy detail and the time to cook

[@velraith]

Yeah I don't understand this trend of very short seasons. You can have a 30 min show but you have to expand on the season for characters to have time to grow.

[@Dan55888]

Big companies love to cut seasons and episodes shorter and shorter

[@ShonuffDaMasta]

My issue with any show or movie of a big franchise nowadays is that the creatives have no control. You can feel the studio or committee interference when you watch it. Disney just happens to be one of the biggest (and worst) offenders because of all the big franchises they own. All of the flaws come from that.

[@Mirage475]

That doesn’t absolve Leslie from making the acolyte so mediocrely. Power 1, 2 and too many scene shows she was not well equipped to do this

[@ShonuffDaMasta]

@@Mirage475 I feel like you’re putting words in my mouth as I made a generalization. But to your topic I agree with you but it still falls in line with what I was saying. Because they’re the ones that hired her for the purpose of her falling in line with them. On the other end you have directors leaving because of “creative differences “ all the time. Of course I’m completely speculating and don’t know because I wasn’t there. Also I still laugh at farts so don’t take my opinion seriously. But 100% stand with my main comment. Studio interference = bad movie/show

[@music4thesoul80]

​@@Mirage475 "mediocrely"??

[@kevinmora8551]

That's usually the case but not with acolyte

[@LAZER-WoLF]

Screenscrush is just a disney shill 😂 never had this energy when reviewing the first time . The back peddling 🤣

[@ThatAccumulator]

Colton complains about fans whining about something they’re passionate about then proceeds to whine about said people

[@mythicodm]

Wow. Colton is the epitome of toxic and hypocritical. Calling those that disliked this "whiny", "dorks", "amateur fans" etc. Lost all respect for him when he just goes on his own tantrum and flings around insults. There must be a reason that it was canceled. Could it be that it has the worse ratings on RT? Or that it did not even hit the top 10 on the Neilson chart after EP4? Even the final episode came in at 10th and is the least viewed D+ StarWars series of all time? The fact it cost 180-190M for 8 30ish minute episodes? Nah, has to be the amateur fans applying all the negativity to Disney... Colton needs to really reflect on his own negativity. At least Ryan and Heather can be a bit more "level" in their praise and criticism.

[@AustinDaniel33]

Facts. He is more whiny than most toxic fans. He is just upset SWT had a following and he doesn’t and it’s just tooo obvious. He is more disrespectful than most😂 keeps trying to play the good guy but the dude is clearly angry about something

[@robsolf]

They killed off almost every character I cared about. There's this bizarre trend in Disney and other producers where they seem to want to tell a story adjacent to the story that would actually be interesting, and I don't get it. It's like if George pitched ESB and ended up releasing "Lobot, the Movie". You have this great group of jedi in Acolyte that I'd have loved to see go do cool stuff, but nope. Disney be like: "Hey check out this pair of girls whose main force power is "drastically changing their minds for no apparent reason".

[@PlasticandRage]

This is exactly how I felt about it. Couldn't have said it better.

[@pipin90]

True. It would have been nice to get this characters a little longer and get them off at the end of second season, when we actually care a lot for them. In 8 episodes of 30 minutes is just not enough time with a cast like this.

[@Plush.Hunter]

I agree with that though lore wise it was absolute necessary to cover up the return of the Sith.

[@someidiotchild]

How could you care about any character in this show when they had a maximum of 10 minutes of screen time? The stupid rodent saboteur had more time than half the cast.

[@kasino007]

I'm so glad you wrote this, so I don't have to. It perfectly sums up my feelings about The Acolyte.

[@SraMacaco]

I’ve said it before and I’ll keep saying it: Disney struck gold with Manny Jacinto’s character Qimir and they’d be stupid if they didn’t take advantage of that.

[@Viper_75th_RR]

He can live on in your gay fan fiction.

[@SraMacaco]

@@Viper_75th_RR Mine?!? I’m afraid you’re barking up the wrong tree there, boyo.

[@yansideabacoa6257]

@@Viper_75th_RROUR*

[@robsolf]

2:35 The Yoda reveal did absolutely nothing for me. It's like getting a meal of runny oatmeal and having someone say: "Just wait til' dessert!" Eternals is a good comparison; a film that was dull as drying paint, with a tease at the end of what probably could have been a more interesting movie.

[@jedisparky]

@robsolf Well, if it didn't do anything for YOU, then F 'it. Let's just cancel Star Wars all together then. That should really pop your rocks off.

[@ragweedmakesmesneeze]

That's how I felt about Luke's appearance in Mandalorian...it was a great few minutes of fun TV, but didn't save the show for me.

[@jethrosketch]

Wow on that thought if it was a Black Knight movie instead then the Eternals could have just been characters he meets along the movie... and Blade shows up in the end... I would watch that!

[@kevthepoet]

It actually pissed me off cos LH just wanted to further demonise the jedi by having Yoda part of the lies and conspiracy. Just no.

[@null6634]

​@@jedisparky That's not a bad idea. Let SW rest for a while until they have a decent idea of what to do with it.

[@fredouellette8813]

Weird how they say they’re sad it’s cancelled but yet have a hard time saying anything positive about it…..odd

[@timodonnell4270]

Also Colton whining about people who criticize the show is top tier hypocrisy 😂

[@TheJkisboss]

The power of 1 the power of 2 the power of MANYYYYYY….. cliffhangers that won’t be answered.

[@TheDarkrebel131]

They won’t even mention the bad writing 😭they’re shills

[@rubendelgado5098]

To me, the big problem with the show, is that it feel like a lot of built up with underwhelming payoff, like they were hoping to complete the story in other season instead of making the season feel like a complete story (you can do that, but you had to engage the audience and sell them the idea that the rest of the story is whorth it), if the audince isn't hook on the story of Mei and Osha by the end of S1, Darth Plagueis and Yoda cameos doesn't mean much. I agree with this part 12:13

[@geekyhive]

Has any actor, director, producers, anyone from the series actually spoke anything about this yet? Isn't it weird to have radio silence from all people tied to it?

[@Chamerlengo]

Well if I spent a year talking shit and gloating about my success and detractors being all the -ists and phobes in the book, only to implode when it turns out the viewership was in the dirt, I'd wanna hide too lol. The numbers are out and they can't hide it anymore. If it was as successful as they gloated about, then this wouldn't have happened. Include all the diversity you want IMHO, but for God's sake, WRITE IT WELL

[@DaddyWARBuxx]

Kennedy and Stemblerg have already

[@discobroccoli198]

@@DaddyWARBuxxAmandla Stenberg hasn’t said anything about this, nor has Kathleen Kennedy.

[@geekyhive]

@@discobroccoli198 yeah, I also searched and found nothing. And still no official comment from Disney.

[@MrLostMD]

​@@ChamerlengoTell me what kind of person you are without telling me the kind of person you are lol. Something tells me not but 4 weeks ago you were probably complaining about Master Bighead's age 😂

[@nicks2934]

At what point r we gonna realize that people were never mad about ki adi mundis age, rather the fact that he was aware that someone has murdered multiple Jedi less than a “millennia” prior to phantom menace

[@BrandonH619]

Colton's take was wildly insane. "Dorks"? If You're a fan of something and it sucks of course you're going to call it out.

[@miguelferrazcosta]

It seems that we need to eat everything they do. 🤷‍♂️

[@franklinrapp6635]

It’s more that people were raising dumb criticisms about the show without seeing it prior. He’s right that everyone complaining about Ki-Adi’s age is overreacting and just latching on to whatever to get themselves mad. However, the people hating the show prior to its release doesn’t retract from genuine criticisms toward the show or the fact it wasn’t well received overall

[@penril_tv6353]

This channels lost the plot line, they wanna get those Disney/Marvel interviews with his kids that are just not it.

[@ZayaMillis]

I totally agree about the Eternals comparison.

[@ElysiaBrenner]

Another one I loved.

[@MrFantocan]

Eternals was much better, the Craplyte had great concepts taken from games legends And expanded universe, BUT they made it all garbage, better not touch it.

[@ramdelure]

How dare you to compare them?

[@mo00000]

Don’t come at @starwarstheory , he has more Star Wars knowledge than all of your production team put together

[@alejandrokhan3815]

Preach

[@lawlkat5397]

Ryan simultaneously gets it, and he doesn't. "serious story telling and pacing issues. told out of order. we couldn't connect with the characters because all of their backstories were kept secret." and his list goes on. but then he praises the light saber battles, Darth P, and timeline it was set in. Well here's the thing: Disney can rehire the CG artists, fight choreographers, and keep telling high republic stories with a Darth P and Knights of Ren payoff in a "Rise of the Sith" series or something. But Disney could hire a showrunner/writer that knows how to pace a series, tell stories in a proper order, develop characters, etc. You know, the baseline of show development. so weird man.

[@karlanderson7436]

I've lost so much respect for Ryan and Colton, trying to carry water for this show. Only now do they say they had "a lot of issues" with this show, but they seemed to have nothing but glowingly positive comments during its run. Ryan mentioned that he really wanted to see what came next with Yoda and Plagueis because he's a Star Wars fan. It's because I'm a lifelong SW fan (I'm 51 and have never really known a time without SW) that I and so many others hate what Disney is doing to ruin the franchise. I simply cannot bring myself to watch ScreenCrush videos about Start Wars in the future.

[@TheDarkrebel131]

They called the fans whiny when they were telling the fans it was a great show, notice now they’re trashing the show after it’s over with like they did with she hulk ? 😭

[@pks627]

Colton: the king of Strawmen. Way to mis-characterize nearly all arguments made against the show. Just go away, dude.

[@saviorselfX29]

Colton was spot-on about the whiny, spoiled, and (he didn’t say it, but I will) racist “fans” who attacked this show unfairly rather than actually focusing on the show’s many problems.

[@Vermax-n6j]

?????

[@TheDarkrebel131]

Right made so many videos saying the show was good and now saying it had flaws now that the show is canceled 😭shills

[@saviorselfX29]

@@TheDarkrebel131 They never said the show was good. They complained about the flaws all the way through. What they said is that they liked the show, or aspects of the show, and it was not the unmitigated dumpster fire with no redeeming qualities that racist internet bottom-feeders claimed it was before the first episode even aired.

[@TheDarkrebel131]

@@saviorselfX29 are you insane they made so many videos saying the show was good and how it exploded the universe and how just so much shit like stop lying when there’s literally so many video of them defending the show and calling the fans whiny, they said oh it had droids just shut up and watch and “ that was some great Star Wars “ 😭

[@xtrmmjl1]

Every time I've seen Colton Ogburn introduced in a chat as being trapped in the TV and doesn't know it, he coincidentally removes his earbuds at the same time. I think this is a great detail nobody talks enough about.

[@MyUnsecretIdentity]

Shhh there's a reason nobody talks about it, We're not supposed to tell him remember?!😁

[@zerolegacy7821]

It’s gotten too old to bother talking about.

[@JimmyJazzDystopian]

When you’re calling everyone whiny you’re talking about yourself, stop projecting, just because you are always wrong and whining about things we never cared about, the show is trash, like your take on the real fans, your arguments are wrong or horrible

[@coops074]

I love how they “love the show” but complain about every major thing they makes a good show a..good show;pacing, lack of character depth, bad writing. But yeah no they “loved the show”

[@tjbullis1491]

Ah yess, lets make a 30 minute video about how the fans are wrong or “toxic” and not about how the show has terrible nonsensical writing with shitty characters with motivations that make no sense and constantly flip flop.

[@rjpittman4510]

Colton's dedication to the bit about him, every time he takes out his headphones every time it is mentioned, I appreciate it even if no one else does!

[@chamiam1]

1:06 I feel like the difference is Eternals didnt have enough time, and The Acolyte mismanaged their time.

[@TheChampCave]

Awful show. Hope the next shows aren't a mess like this.

[@custodiancolorzoo870]

The Ki Adi Mundi issue is legit. The date issue wasn’t the point of the anger about KAM being used, it was that they used him to troll the fans about him knowing about some Dark Side user(s) emerging and then saying the line in The Phantom Menace. He had NO REASON to be used. He was used for the above reason. He and everyone else chilling in the room when this was revealed knew. They went out of there way to show gossip got around that scene and the info wasn’t secured. Everyone there would have had to die along with the landing crew red shirt Jedis who actually saw a red saber. And even if you take issue with my point there… what about the rodent tracker alien??! Oh! A story to be told at another time.

[@GeekazonMerchHub]

Yup, he literally didn't need to be in there at all. Obviously put there to create controversy and create discussion. It was pointless

[@saviorselfX29]

Um … Ki Adi Mundi was an arrogant idiot who ignored the evidence in front of him. His two biggest lines in the Prequels are being DEAD WRONG about the Sith and being DEAD WRONG about Count Dooku. He was the perfect cameo for this show for that very reason. He’s exactly the kind of dipsh!t Jedi who would see someone wielding a red saber and not think Sith because OF COURSE there aren’t any Sith left. Ki Adi Mundi is emblematic of the rot at the core of the Jedi Order and why the Sith were able to bring it down.

[@talesyuki]

@@saviorselfX29 Also he didn't see any red saber. He was only there to be wrong. You know, as he usually is.

[@Necroside145]

For all KAM knows it's just a Jedi going rogue, and nothing dark side via sith related. For all we know, it's just another Jedi coverup that Lucas himself had them do for Clone Wars.

[@ronaldking1054]

You mean the rodent tracker alien that saw what a jedi master knows is a fallen jedi as she felt his presence directly?

[@karencoyle3011]

Bad writing, wooden acting, low (and getting lower by the episode) ratings ... OF COURSE it was cancelled. A TV show is a TV show, whether it's in the Star Wars genre or any other, and the usual rules apply.

[@Thesentry31]

Complaining about toxic fans while being toxic. Good story bro

[@BloodDripss]

what was toxic about this?

[@DiGi9Live]

Always impressed by Ryan - You could tell Colton was getting frustrated & Heather making the claim - "theyre not real" is a little absurd from someone appearing on this channel. What makes it real is the fandom and channels like ScreenCrush. Not a dig at the other two but more so praise for Ryan for being able to stay intentional in his discourse always.

[@SmallBEANville]

Why should uncompelling or uninteresting stories be continued just for the sake of continuing? They tried but didn't grab enough people's attention. I would rather see those resources applied to something else that can be crafted in this universe.

[@marx41mans]

Acolyte was bad...but it didn't suck a$$. It was disappointing in some aspects, but I still wanted a Season 2 because it was only 8 episodes. Most shows "Seasons" aren't just 8 episodes, if it was a 12-16 episode season and it was bad the whole time...then yeah that's a big enough sample size to say "yeah it sucked". I watched every episode a few times each, and watched tons of hours of KZbin reviews...which was like the MOST FUN thing ever...but yes, it was kind of disappointing, but it NEEDS a Season 2

[@shift7808]

If it's bad, why would you want a season 2?

[@daviddehass6877]

These 3 still don't understand the problem with Ki-Adi-Mundi showing up.🙄

[@doro626]

The really funny thing, is WHY did she have to include him? I dont even know or like that character, but it seems she only added him for another " mystery box". If Mundi said there were no Sith for a Millennia and these are Sith, then what's going on? Ooooooh!!!!! Poor writing reasons, are poor.

[@ronaldking1054]

Please, explain how a character who never heard there was a force user that was a Sith understood there to be a Sith when there are multitudes of force users.

[@GGBlaster]

@@doro626 I’ve been asking myself the same question. Like, what purpose did Mundi serve that couldn’t be fulfilled by a new character? The birthdate isn’t even remotely the issue, and since I didn’t watch the show past Ep1 I’ll assume the best that it doesn’t make any problematic implications on the prequel canon - but why Mundi? Why was he important enough to bother changing his birthdate (again, not the main issue) and including him in the Acolyte?

[@doro626]

@@GGBlaster Greg Owen has a really good video ( warning its over 2 hours long) where he breaks down all the awful writing and things that Headland just threw into the Acolyte. He uses interviews with her own words to show she didnt know what she was doing.

[@sergiosanchez2012]

Problem with Acolyte is that is a bad show. Characters are uninsteresting, their motivations artificial, their choices completely random and contradictory to the character. The mystery was a bit on the nose and stupid, etc. You can’t blame people for not following the show. Star Wars used to be an academy award worthy franchise and has been lowering the level for a long time now. People are used to better stories from that franchise and fans ara aware of better stories in legends or even video games worthy of been put on screen.

[@HiJKing315]

I just wanna see Plagieus on the big screen

[@jurgen1395]

Same but not in this mess

[@enlightenedude]

Peeping Tom Plagieus

[@jurgen1395]

@@enlightenedude for 3 seconds

[@_Amit_Sunil]

The tragedy of Cancelled Plageius

[@jurgen1395]

@@_Amit_Sunil limited edition

[@scorpio_9810]

Who the hell says, "Attack me with all your strength", while doing that silly stance? We should all be out in the streets celebrating the cancellation of this garbage of a show.

[@Burritobandits]

Be real you guys were NOT critical of The Acolyte at all, and it makes sense you want to keep receiving those early review copies. The Acolyte was BAD and it deserved to be cancelled and Disney should feel embarrassed it even exist.

[@Not_A_Hat]

The copium is real with yall.

[@Mayegelt]

I often suspect that the people who pitch the shows and get given a budget for the show given to them are told they must make at least 6 episodes and no more than X. And the show runners/writers end up going for 6 higher budget episodes rather than try to stretch the budget to go for 7-8-9-10... As the budget remains the same for the series, rather than done per episode.

[@davidwindell]

Nobody really cares about the cannon they rewrote surrounding Mundi’s age- they care about his presence going in direct contrast with a spoken line in one of the films, as well as the undermining of Anakin’s unique birth. Those aren’t trivial aspects of some playing card or CD rom, they’re fundamental truths of the universe that these people rewrote because they were too lazy (or bad at their jobs) to build a story around the existing IP

[@saviorselfX29]

How do you people not get that Ki Adi Mundi’s cameo reinforces the exact point Lucas made with him in the prequels? Ki Adi Mundi was an arrogant, close-minded fool who rejected the return of the Sith when presented with evidence by Qui-Gon Jinn. Ki Adi Mundi was an arrogant, close-minded fool who rejected the idea that Count Dooku could possibly be a murderer. He represents the arrogance and willful blindness of the Jedi Order. He is emblematic of the exact failings that the Sith exploited to overthrow the Order. Him being there a hundred years ago, having the chance to see that the Sith were never wiped out, AND STILL BEING WRONG when Qui-Gon reports his encounter with Maul to the Council makes his idiocy and arrogance more apparent and more tragic.

[@boltneck1853]

And at no point did he mention sith and, if I remember correctly, nobody in that conference room said sith! Just talk about a possible former padawan or Jedi or someone with training! But never sith, so no cannon issues! As to Anakin, nothing override his unique creation and with DP in the background we would have seen how he could have unlocked that secret to create the circumstances of Anakin's birth but you didn't have the patience to wait and see that unfold as it wasn't revealed 30 seconds into episode 1!

[@Schwizzzz]

Every part of this show is absolute garbage. You can just say it.

[@joshpapaleo2602]

I definitely don't agree that Acolyte was better than Ahsoka and overall didn't love Acolyte. That being said I'm getting tired of these Star Wars setups that get cancelled. Please do something with what this shows setup! Explaining the events that happened after from the point of view of Plagueis or a young Palpatine would be a cool way to do it. Knowing about a Jedi cover-up being a catalyst that leads him to the dark side maybe? Side-bar, whats with the recent dislike on the Ahsoka show? When it first came out everyone seemed pretty on board with it. I admit it has pacing problems and forced some characters together for the sake of storytelling but overall I think it had a decent story. Secret planet stuff kind of gives me hope we might see Cal get some sort of cameo come season 2 or the movie.

[@SraMacaco]

THIS is constructive criticism. 👍🏻

[@oskarskalski2982]

Maybe they just need to hire proper writers not just activists that pose as writers. That's something that marvel (probably) understood and lucasfilm execs should also. Although Kathleen Kennedy probably would just double down on "the message" instead of taking cues of what's going on.

[@joshpapaleo2602]

@@oskarskalski2982 ehh I kinda hear ya but I really think the whole "pushing an agenda" thing got overblown for this show and that's the fault of the director and actors through interviews and such. I think there is one "they" mention and then Osha is immediately corrected that the gerbal is a "he" so... I do agree with you on better writers. The dialogue in Acolyte was pretty rough at points but then again Star Wars is not exactly known for the most elegant dialogue lol. The story telling has to be solid though which in this case it wasn't.

[@SraMacaco]

@@oskarskalski2982 To be fair, while some of the cast might have been a bit “woo-woo” themselves, very little of that actually made it into the show. I got the impression that the “they” that’s been mentioned was included as a humorous little poke at the people who were just WAITING for something like that. With all the hullabaloo surrounding Leslye Headlund, I fully expected most of the cast to be female. I was delighted to discover that it was actually 50% male. Also, one popular channel ridiculed the fact that she included a character from her teen fan fiction. I fully expected it to be a busty female, but it turned out to be Yord. While there were plenty of issues with the show, I was surprised and happy to see that it wasn’t as bad as so many of us feared. What makes me sad is that so many of the channels that badmouthed the show before it even started could not bring themselves to pull back and admit that they might have jumped the gun a little. Instead, they had to double down and refused to find even ONE thing to like about the show. To me, that’s quite a small-minded stance. In my mind, the twin story didn’t work, but I’d love to see more Qimir and Plagueis!

[@oskarskalski2982]

@@joshpapaleo2602 exactly, it's the showrunner's and some of the actors' fault. It's they that have made such a big deal of all those "diversity" topics that it got them biting in the ass. If the story was good and the show could defend itself nobody would bat an eye. Well, maybe not nobody because there always will be those that tell they don't like this or that but most people wouldn't make a big deal.

[@MomFearsMyMusic]

I mean... not every "cliffhanger" (like the Yoda cameo) needs to have a resolution. But this show absolutely needed a second season. The lore building was incredible.

[@MrLocokrang]

That's a great point, Ahsoka and Bobba shows had characters already built, not just as cameo tho, so even the show might be vague and blend sometimes, you do want to see where these characters go next. Andor on the other hand kind of portrayed Andor's character completely different from what he was in the movie, but it used the format, pacing, narrative, story and character depth to make it 2 whole seasons of a full time tv show. Andor is a great character, said noone ever, but there he is awesome af ...

[@markadams7046]

Did Netflix buy Disney? I thought it was just Netflix who got trigger happy with the cancel gun.

[@jamiehoneycutt4865]

This girl is 100% correct and sad to watch the guys try to defend the show. It’s bad writing and that makes a bad show period. No one cares about these random deep cuts if the writing is garbage.

[@DasBaumable]

You summed up the ridiculous discourse going on extremely well and I just want to hug Colton right now, his little rant was spot on! Reading video titles like "we won" after the Acolyte got canceled is just so full of hubris and missplaced self-importance it hurts. To see this channel keeps growing is a testament to the fact not everyone is eager to feed the outrage algorithm that fuels some of the, sadly, biggest channels on this platform and I'm looking forward to everything ScreenCrush! Much love !

[@lordneeko]

That final episode with Yoda on stars wars clone wars really feels more important now that we have a story of Yoda's attachments and potential 'dark side'

[@ddylandd]

The power of 1. 1 person making a decision for 1 season is just so powerful.

[@steveno7058]

They still don’t understand the Ki Adi Mundi gaff. It was about Ki Adi knowing a darkside user murdering a dozen Jedi and then saying decades later the Sith have been gone for 1000 years…

[@Lyssa.8824]

Exactly. Too fixated on the age.

[@RevDrTarr]

Ki Adi Mundi doesn't know anything about what happened in the events of this show. Anyone arguing that he does didn't watch the show. Everything was explained out loud why he wouldn't know.

[@steveno7058]

@@RevDrTarr what are you talking about. He was right in the room where there were talking about a force user murdering Jedi

[@MyUnsecretIdentity]

​@@steveno7058 sure but that doesn't mean he reached the conclusion that the Sith were back. All he knows is that someone was killing Jedi, and in the end they blamed most of it on Sol and the case was resolved, so from his POV the Sith have nothing to do with it

[@RevDrTarr]

@@MyUnsecretIdentity You watched and understood.

[@williamshaw5716]

I’m sad I wanted to see where it will go

[@bobbiedylan9758]

The toxicity came from Leslie and Amanda! Let’s not act like this wasn’t She Hulk 2! Minority? If there was a majority they’d reflect in the ratings.

[@rjkm]

Ryan wearing a hat during the ad tells me that we saw the second version of the ad. The first one Ryan tried manscaping his own head with disastrous consequences.

[@PaulMKeehn]

I just want to say, this show has become my main choice for SW commentary because of how Ryan always comes at a show or movie in a positive and constructive perspective when other SW themed shows have become so negative. Thank you Screen Crush for keeping things positive and still bringing quality discussions to all of us life-long Star Wars fans.

[@JoeIPA]

I’m so tired of toxic fans who seem to watch Star Wars to hate then to watch Star Wars to enjoy. The fandom menace sucks because like you said they make actual criticism not the issue but find these tiny things no one cares about.

[@samrichens2962]

2:19 none of what you said made sense

[@Jderr3]

wait ....wait... wait-you are going to Telllllling me! lol that Acolyte is better than Ahsoka???? what kind of crack smoking has the man in the TV done! matter of fact! turn off his TV!! loljk but for real! Ahsoka is better because it continues on with Rebels, and Rebels is some of the best starwars, and i love Ahsoka as a character! ooooOOO and one more reason Ahsoka is better? it doesnt cut down the original trilogy but adds to it... acolyte trys to change a lot of the original trilogy...

[@ThomasRocha-yl9wo]

I think a good story and characters you could invest with, go hand in hand. You can’t have one or the other. You need both.

[@dallenbaldwin3484]

ok, but qimir is absolutely a character i feel everyone who even watched clips of, would die for.

[@Nalier]

I was with you guys until you started attacking fans. Myself, I think RoP was a bad show. If it was a generic fantasy show, I wouldn't watch it to the end. I don't mind new stories or fanfiction when it's good. I wish Acolyte wasn't canceled. The first season wasn't good, but it had potential. I wish they'd given it a chance. The guy in the black shirt whining about whining fans. Seriously, dude, some of the critiques had merit. And I'm not talking about idiots bothered by women, leftist tropes, or LBTQ+. Edit: I wanted to add: If the Acolyte wasn't Star Wars, I wouldn't mind the cancellation AT ALL. Many better shows were canceled after one season, which deserved to be greenlit. Acolyte is mediocre at best.

[@kennitz8155]

It was too expensive and didn't produce results. No ROI so get rid of it. Was this the first show for the director or producer? and why so few episodes now-a-days? regular TV is at least 20 and costs less!!!

[@patricko3487]

Saying that the behavior of those responsible for Acolyte had no influence is bullshit. The very words these women said about the series, what they included in it and what they wanted to achieve made me less interested in watching it. You can also add to this that I had to watch a person on screen who off-screen calls people sexists, misogynists and racists just because they didn't like the series. Of course it is of great importance. One of the positive influences on Marvel was that people liked actors outside the movies - e.g. RDJ. The behavior of the main actress and screenwriter of The Acolyte also had an impact - but a negative one.

[@alejandromagallanez193]

Every point you all made is 100% spot on. 28:28 is the key point. “Disney gets money.” They threw the bank at this show and from a “return on investment” POV Acolyte bombed. They threw more money at this show than the production cost of a lot of movies. You CANNOT justify continuing that kind of spending for that low of a viewership.

[@benoitgagnon1258]

My thoughts are this 1) when you searched acolyte on YT or Twitter all you would see is how bad the show was and how you shouldnt watch it. Which i really think influenced a lot of people. 2) the short run time on episodes made it hard for people to properly get invested because they were forced to speed up the story. 3) bob igar has stated he wanted to bring disney away from messaging and focusing on story and i 100% believe he put this show in the "message" category as i feel he aligns with the toxic community. I want season 2, but IMO Bob put the axe down and forced lucasfilm to cancel the show.

[@Hoeech]

If the internet had been around in 1987, we would never have seen a second season of Star Trek The Next Generation. The first season was embarrassingly bad with only four worthwhile episodes (Datalore, Heart of Glory, Conspiracy and The Neutral Zone). Everything else was unwatchable. However, the writers had a chance to take in that feedback and course-correct in the second season. By season 3, we had the classic Trek show that people love to this day. There are SOOOOO many other shows that would have been shelved after their debut season if a handful of squeaky wheels had their way -- Cheers, All in the Family, Seinfeld, DS9, Breaking Bad, Parks & Recreation, The Office... none of them would have seen a second season if those dullards had their way. Sadly, Acolyte won't get the chance to tweak their pacing (which was off more than it was on) or adopt a more linear storytelling format. Instead, it was tossed unceremoniously Good job, "fans"

[@gryce9077]

They still had critics and Neilson ratings back then, and there were dozens of cancelled shows for every show that got renewed just like now.

[@doro626]

That had less to do with the internet and more to do with how television is made now. Shows want instant results, rather than letting a show go into reruns and then check the ratings then. Leslie Headland also would have never been allowed to be a show runner back then with so little experience. I doubt she would have even been a head writer from what I have seen.

[@oskarskalski2982]

Breaking Bad was a hit from the start, what are you talking about.

[@Hoeech]

@@oskarskalski2982 - It absolutely was great. But the Bible thumpers in the mid-west and deep south were all up in arms about the subject matter and wanted the show cancelled. They saw Bryan Cranston in a new show and expected another "Malcolm in the Middle" show, but got a drug dealing high school teacher instead. A show that wasn't what they expected, so they complained about it and screamed for it to be cancelled. Sound familiar?

[@raymundodelacruz5173]

I just want 3 seasons of gritty Knight of the Old Republic show, one hour each and I'll never complain again

[@Croakin]

Probably never will now that everybody sobbed over mid

[@saltycsc1358]

In fairness, at this point, I don't want them going anywhere near the Old Republic. I'm too scared what they'll do with it.

[@nathandts3401]

Fuck no. I don't want to see Knights of the Old Republic ever come back.

[@nathandts3401]

​@@saltycsc1358It was shit to begin with.

[@squaeman_2644]

You'll never get that with Disney.... Just compare the art differences to the early 2000s... Star Wars is marketed for small children now... Which means they don't need as good of stories...

[@Devinci297]

I unsubscribed from all the toxic Star Wars channels. I'm sure they must be celebrating right now.

[@nickohhh]

I know same! I think if the acolyte didn’t get enough viewership it was coz of a lack of promotion, not coz it wasn’t a good watch. The fact a bunch of noisy ‘fans’ on the internet spat on it didn’t help either obviously. And yeah I expect they’re all cheering for their fine work, a victory against some of us enjoying nice things.

[@steveno7058]

Looks like they were right. The show sucked to the great majority of Star Wars fans

[@DailyNihilism]

We eating good lol

[@DailyNihilism]

@@alanchung6843that's lack of viewership lol

[@FromTrash2Treasure]

What does toxic mean? In this context.

[@DaMunkey1]

Ive never watched Rebels, and barely watched Clone Wars so I had no familiarity with Ahsoka's crew, but each episode I wanted to know more. With the Acolyte I watched each episode hoping it would get better and it didnt. They could have solved the whole show with communication. Every character seemed to have a secret that would have solved the issues if they would have just said something. Wedging Yoda and Plagues in at the end just pissed me off since it felt very forced and click baity.

[@trailzilla5934]

This used to be my go to channel…sad to hear the fans getting blamed here. Fans should be catered to, not blamed by creators

[@YoTrunksKun]

Saying that it was about ki adi mundis age is a wild over simplification of what it was actually about.

[@JIBoizo]

Disney execs will interpret the acolyte's failure as product of not using established characters and female-centric cast... so... yep. Expect more skywalker

[@steveno7058]

If you don’t like Skywalker you should stop watching Star Wars

[@_Amit_Sunil]

​@@steveno7058how much more dry do those teats need to be before you quit milking

[@TKINcaidduh3jp]

@@_Amit_Sunil how about you stop being a troll

[@AnjinThomas]

@@steveno7058 Star Wars is more interesting when everything doesn't revolve around the Skywalkers

[@amadhatter3280]

Shame there's no Skywalker's left to exploit (and no Rey doesn't count she isn't a Skywalker) guess that means the franchise is officially dead then.

[@Betmonty]

Colton, man, you really need to get new earbuds; they seem like they break every time you're onscreen!

[@Shoelessjoe78]

Bad Dialogue, plotlines that go nowhere, creating holes in an established franchise lore, telling not showing, poor viewership, overly expensive to produce, bad reviews by the professionals and public alike, trashing your fan base, toxic personalities... I wonder why it was cancelled.

[@TheCloveart]

9:28 The issue wasn’t quality. The issue was viewership. You can’t make money if a series that costs millions of dollars has low viewership numbers. The show itself doesn’t justify the cost.

[@gryce9077]

They’re taking a Mulligan. They announced that they’re canceling it instead of just ignoring it - that means “disregard everything that happened in this show.”

[@ilovegodzilla]

Erase erase erase…

[@AllTenThousand]

I lied, stayed til 1:28 - you really wanted to see the founding of the knights of ren, the objectively most useless bunch of faceless mini bosses from the sequels? Now you are really having a laugh.

[@graizen6190]

Y’all are crazy for defending the Acolyte. It was definitively one of the worst Star Wars project ever. There’s a lot of things I agree with yall with, like having a 15 + episode season to better flush out character arcs ect. But come on dude, even 30 episodes wouldn’t be able to redeem this show. From beginning to end, this story was horrible. You’re telling me Osha, who did not wield a light saber or use the force much this whole season, is now this all powerful Sith Lord who can force choke? And don’t tell me it’s because she’s a vergence, because if that is true, it diminishes Anakin. In fact, her whole existence and story arc diminishes Anakin. And for what reason did she kill Sol? If she is this all powerful force user, she could’ve peered into Sols mind and found the truth. That it was an honest accident. I mean, if someone turned into a black smoke with no explanation, naturally, I’d get defensive too. The light saber fights were super cool though, no lie. But come on dude, it’s hard to mess up a lightsaber fight. It’s almost guaranteed to get a rise when someone activates. There’s just so many holes in this show and there was just way too much political agenda nonsense in here. It’s poorly written, the actors are subpar, and it’s just plain boring. Y’all are probably just getting paid to say nice things about this show. That, or you’re just afraid to hurt someone’s feelings by telling the truth.

[@ronaldking1054]

Her sister could force block with minimal instruction, but Osha, who never had a reason to force choke someone and has no defensive capabilities, could not figure out how to do it after having seen herself do it in a force vision. The Force literally instructed her, and the story showed that she did not have control over her negative emotions. It's why she failed at being a jedi. She killed Sol because he blamed her sister and didn't tell her in private what he had done. It's not hard. He lied to her, and when Mae showed up, he still lied to her.

[@DbossHasGrit]

@@ronaldking1054Wow, as someone who dropped this garbage show after episode 1, reading this just made it sound incredibly lame, and its clear I've made the right choice in dropping it.

[@OshieBichar]

I think the best thing they could do is a straight up adaptation of the Plagueis novel as a series. Drop a little hint in there about the events of the acolyte. Then fill in the gap between the acolyte and Plagueis in a novel or comics to wrap up the Osha/Qimir story.

[@EJ_Crough]

Honestly I’m mostly relieved the show got cancelled. The writing in s1 had so many issues that I didn’t feel like the creators could do justice to any of the interesting concepts they did touch on.

[@joeycarlin6305]

Very disappointed to see it cancelled. A good (but not great) show with amazing potential future seasons.

[@chaddayton6314]

You lost me after you decided to attack the "dorks" who protested against decisions made in the Acolyte and Rings of Power. Just because you don't understand the disconnect, doesn't mean those who disagree are toxic or "dorks." Rings of Power isn't just a "fantasy world." Middle Earth was Tolkien's world. Tolkien intended the LotR saga to be a sort of British mythology. Like it or not, Tolkien described the races and peoples of Middle Earth. It was his world. Anything that went against Tolkien's descriptions is wrong. It breaks immersion. Going against Tolkien's descriptions of characters such as Galadrial is wrong. If Amazon wants to create their own fantasy show, fine. But don't shit on Tolkien's world; a world millions of people of all human races love. Keep your fanfiction. Tolkien told many stories. If Amazon couldn't get the rights, they shouldn't have just assumed they could do equal or better with just a name.

[@brianales5489]

Blaming the fans again.

[@jwroot]

And not the people who made this garbage. How convenient.

[@franklinrapp6635]

I thought it was pretty clear they blamed the writing, pacing, and storytelling more than the fans but they acknowledged that some toxic fans were passing on the show before it came out

[@BloodDripss]

literally 90 percent of this video is calling out the bad pacing and writing. you must have been one of the ones crying online before the show came out

[@yotaruvegeta]

Who is?

[@yotaruvegeta]

FACTUALLY, no one blamed the fans. Ryan, specifically, said that he did not think that fandom had anything to do with the cancellation. Then Colton called some of the fandom a bunch of whiny knuckle draggers who didn’t actually watch the show and don’t know what they’re talking about. Still, no fan was blamed. I guess that proves Colton’s point about fans just going off and not actually paying attention.

[@krain19]

Y’all be translating what I’m thinking and feeling so eloquently and thought out. Made this season of HoD more enjoyable and while I found you for acolyte late….you were my source for legends information when I went down the rabbit hole 😂 Would love to hear your thoughts on over the garden wall

[@Steven-lg3zk]

- Last ScreenCrush video: not hairy enough? Get Keeps! - Next ScreenCrush video: too hairy? Get Manscaped!