Why DOWNEY DOOM is the PERFECT Villain for Marvel’s Multiverse Saga

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[@mainepty]

It is $129 upfront for the discount and you don’t get the information until checkout

[@Immortal_Liberty]

at 8:45 you said Black Widow is part of the multiverse saga, theme of found families. You are WRONG, it was set during time of infinity saga,noob!

[@davidng7645]

Disney gonna have him doing this until he’s 90

[@Dutch-Crush]

Ryan’s journey from “I hate Downey as Doom” to “Downey Doom is the perfect villain” took 6 videos 😂

[@waynestevens4297]

They Gotta keep them clicks up.

[@addisonwong2472]

That’s what Coltons for ! Let Ryan stay skeptical 🙏🏼

[@Cosm1c_Donut]

He's just reading the script given to him lol

[@jacobcook7]

MARVEL is keeping the lights on.

[@undeadfilmcritic]

How else is he going to sell shirts?

[@isaacsalgado6502]

Colton is doing more PR work than marvel on this one

[@virtualrealityfitness283]

Facts

[@chandru4584]

@@isaacsalgado6502 Exactly! I feel like the entirety of the film KZbin is trying to be Marvel's PR firm. New Rockstars, Emergency Awesome, Heavy Spoilers and many more.

[@xNewSidx]

Almost as much as he did for the Flash

[@DanielMartinez7]

💯

[@Terrible0x0Trivium]

Always is

[@lewiep]

In 616, seeking to prevent an incursion destroying his home universe. "If I can't save this universe, you'll be damn sure I'll Doom it".

[@aliengranpa]

10:40 i don't mean to nitpick, but technically every movie ever made revolves around choice. Just over your left shoulder for example.... Ferris CHOOSES to skip school Chucky CHOOSES to murder people, etc, etc.

[@gowsa2233]

Do we really have free will though. Do choices actually exist?

[@SetYourScapegoatsFree]

red pill or blue pill?

[@aliengranpa]

@@gowsa2233 I CHOOSE not to answer this. 😉

[@gowsa2233]

@@aliengranpa you think you did

[@brianschultz8719]

@@SetYourScapegoatsFreeboth 😵‍💫

[@josepgutierrez22]

You can literally put this “choice” theory to any movie/show

[@cat8506]

saying every movie is connected by the theme of choice is like saying every movie is connected by having a main character

[@bishamma]

From “Not my Doom” to “Perfect Doom” in record time

[@aod9910]

A big reach. Tons of stories from all over different types of media are based on choice. This argument could apply to just about anything. Plus a huge portion of this video was spent supporting the point of choice being a centerpoint of the entire MCU, yet around a minute of that was spent connecting this support to the main point. I dont think this is a good argument.

[@mon_nobi]

Choice is not an even an option for a theme in this genre because it is such a central element to the heroes journey, which is the basic standard in which these kinds of narratives are told. Choice cannot be the theme as it is merely an element of the narrative that derives the actual themes through defining the character's actions. In other words, to identify a theme, you have to understand WHY a certain choice was made, not just the fact of a choice being presented. Saying "choice" is the theme of stories in this genre is like saying "heroism" is the theme, when any reasonable person would say "no shit, but that doesn't really count". One could get away with saying that things like legacy or sacrifice are more accurate themes as they actually speak to choices that characters made, but the mere presentation of choice in and of itself is not a theme. This essay's thesis would've been ripped to shreds by the profs back in my film theory or college English classes...

[@VinAnrba]

Choice isn't a "theme", its just OBVIOUS for it to be for any story to literally HAPPEN lol

[@drgirlfriend211]

Incorrect. choice is absolutely a theme. That’s like saying love isn’t a theme because it is in every story….

[@VinAnrba]

@drgirlfriend211 it's a REACH. Like saying consequence is the theme of these movies. Its good guys vs bad guys, of course there's consequences. Yes, "choice" is an occurrence in these movies. But not a "theme". Its a broad thing

[@dylan15243]

​@@drgirlfriend211choice is a part of every story ever told. As well avls every mcu movie before phase 4 and 5..... so yah. This isn't a video worth making. This channels gotten worse

[@ecokrazy]

Choice is definitely a theme. It's not always a primary arc, but it is certainly a theme

[@mon_nobi]

@@ecokrazy Choice is not an even an option for a theme in this genre because it is such a central element to the heroes journey, which is the basic standard in which these kinds of narratives are told. Choice cannot be the theme as it is merely an element of the narrative that derives the actual themes through defining the character's actions. In other words, to identify a theme, you have to understand WHY a certain choice was made, not just the fact of a choice being presented. Saying "choice" is the theme of stories in this genre is like saying "heroism" is the theme, when any reasonable person would say "no shit, but that doesn't really count". One could get away with saying that things like legacy or sacrifice are more accurate themes as they actually speak to choices that characters made, but the mere presentation of choice in and of itself is not a theme. This video essay's script would've been ripped to shreds back by the profs in my film theory or college English classes...

[@bigcray08]

“Choice”? Even Reed Richards thinks that’s an awfully large stretch.

[@Extinguisher10]

Even the Sorcerer Supreme thinks making a video on this is Strange

[@alexwixom4599]

This channel is all about finding a redemption arc for bad films. The way they explained black panther 2 made it sound way cooler than it was. The themes they mentioned were not remotely expressed or addressed as well as they imply.

[@Terrible0x0Trivium]

​@@alexwixom4599This channel is all about exploiting the popularity of films at the right time to maximize the effectiveness of the KZbin algorithm to get clicks and ad traffic and sell t shirts. Wym?

[@tyrenmcelwee1404]

I think SC is reaching to find a connection that isn't there.

[@cheddar76k]

This video was 30 minutes of nothing

[@SkeletonBones_Ghoulie]

@@cheddar76kand it’s the fifth video in the last week doing exactly that, they’ve been reposting the same conversation over and over again

[@gowsa2233]

​@@SkeletonBones_Ghoulie and we watch em all

[@SetYourScapegoatsFree]

Choice is the best through line I've heard, but it's ubiquitous, like the multiverse, and likely giving the MCU credit they didn't develop.

[@Jas_per_]

​@@SetYourScapegoatsFree Every single movie ever made contains some sort of choice for the hero of the story.. 😂 This video doesn't make a single point

[@DJ_Music_Man2]

Downey Doom sounds offensive

[@KingsTownGaming]

I'm here for it

[@crossetti]

Waaaaah cry about it

[@turbochargedfilms]

​@@crossetti??

[@Tortilla.Reform]

@@crossettiThey’re clearly joking, but you’re so desperate to be an edgelord 😂

[@DJ_Music_Man2]

@@crossetti I’m not actually offended by it 😆

[@dippin4dots]

Can’t wait for Chris Evans to play Magneto next

[@daredevil6494]

😂😂😂

[@BenWillyums]

Hulk is going to use the 'Van thing" to send time through old Steve and make him young just like he made Scott Lang a baby

[@eon001]

@dippin4dots And I can't wait for the screencrush video doing a cope explanation on how Chris Evans is the perfect Magneto.

[@BitoyV3]

​@@BenWillyums damn, exactly like HISHE's Endgame video

[@BenWillyums]

@@BitoyV3 never saw that

[@igitaq]

Had to stop watching after the thirtieth use of choice and choose. Forcing a theme onto the saga to make Tony being Dr. Doom is just too much. You could just as easily say the theme is sacrifice. Jane sacrificed her health to help Thor. Peter sacrificed everyone's memories of him to stop an incursion. Wanda sacrificed herself to do the same. Thor sacrificed his chance to bring back Jane. Monica sacrificed herself to close the rift. The Scarlet Scarab sacrificed her independence to become an avatar. Loki sacrificed his freedom to hold the multiverse together. There are so many more examples of sacrifices being made but that doesn't make it the theme of the saga. Saying Tony made a choice that resulted in him being Doom doesn't elevate the saga it just lessens the character of Doom. Doom has a compelling story on its own that is cheapened if it is now tied to Ironman just made a choice. Doom is Doom. He faces Mephisto to try to save his mother's soul and is arrogant enough to believe he can win every time. He destroyed an entire universe ruled by a Doom because he thought he didn't gain power the way he would have which is the only correct way in his eyes. He started the incursions and refused to work with anyone to stop them because they didn't think to ask him for help at the beginning. Having Doom just be a variant of Tony is such a disservice to the character that helped inspire Darth Vader.

[@deenmohamed494]

Thank you so much for basically summarising what I've been telling everyone since this news dropped. I like the dynamic Ryan and Colton have of opposing viewpoints on the matter but this video just seems like it's pandering to the majority who are behind RDJ's return

[@kokygonzalez]

Truth is if marvel wouldn’t be in so much trouble, RDJ would’ve never come back. Marvel is desperate, and RDJ sells. Period.

[@nowonspecial]

But just imagine it. Like what if he was attempting to save everyone from the snap and build time travel like the original. But loses. He again travels and gets stuck in the fantastic four universe and attempts to leave it but fails. He becomes miserable. He has no family. No Pepper. No Happy. No Peter or his daughter . He learns magic to escape but it doesn’t work. Soon Reed Richards comes along and together they build an device to help him return. But he ends up in the 616 MCU. He is different. Colder. So the people who knew the other Tony, wants nothing to do with him. Now you have an Tony Stark who knows magic, still have the intellect but just angry. He can do an lot of damage. Who can even stop him?

[@kaidenmaynez3148]

I agree the choice of doom dilutes his og story but I think we will get a real doom story after the reboot. But also I don’t agree with your sacrifice theme. Sacrifice is more like the theme of the hero’s journey. But the theme is more than just the end. All those people who made sacrifices made choices that effect more than them. Like loki for example. He wasn’t going to sacrifice himself, that was never his goal, plan, or even assumption. Only in the last 20 mins of the last episode does that “theme”become clear. Think about all of season 2. It was all about the choices made by variants and how those multiversal misshapes can change the entire multiverse with a choice. Even Enchantress choice to kill he who remains. That’s the whole basis for season 2, so much so they revisit it as the entire reason any of the multiverse is happening. She didn’t sacrifice anything atleast that’s not how she sees it. It was a choice made by one person with multiversal effects. Which I think is exactly what marvel is going for. Even if it does dilute one of our favorite characters. I’m not saying it’s a good theme I’m just saying it doesn’t seem forced, or atleast less forced then a sacrifice theme would be . Like is it really a sacrifice to become the avatar of the goddess that determines if you go to heaven or not. I feel like that’s a free ticket to the field of reeds…. Okay when I say it like that it sounds like a sacrifice

[@sarringt1]

I agree. I chose to stop watching the video.

[@GetOnMyHypeJP]

I swear every time Marvel makes a big decision 90% of the internet turns into the Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons.

[@thefrothingotter8772]

ScreenCrush drinking game: Every time Ryan says choice, take a drink

[@offwhitebombshelta6691]

No offense but “choice” is an easy theme to take out of a movie cause almost every movie is based around the choice of the protagonist. This is sort of a reach

[@natureboy77777]

I think CHOICE is present in every movie. That's how a movie story continues. If you try, you will find that it is a part of any movie story.

[@snappystettner]

Y'all, this is reaching a little. Choice is what propels all stories with an active protagonist. And most stories have an active protagonist, so you can say choice is a theme of almost any film. It made sense for the ones where free will was in jeopardy, but when it came to Spider-Man, you were kind of just listing all the choices Peter had to make. That said, y'all are excellent. I love your videos

[@phdcpe01]

Is there a movie in existence that isn't, in some way, about choice? You could argue this theme in 90% of action movies. Wasn't the whole original Star Wars saga about Anakin choosing between the dark side and the light? Wasn't the Terminator series about humanity choosing to create AI?

[@Illphella]

Phase 5- how to milk a cow Phase 6 - how to drink milk in a cup

[@TheChocoboKid]

Phase 7 - Accept our new cow overlords

[@rogue4340]

Yeah

[@dirtypest44]

Phase 8 - Doctor Moo drops everyone on Cattle World

[@SetYourScapegoatsFree]

Phase 9 - Just call it cottage cheese

[@SamSnoekBrown]

@@dirtypest44 Underrated comment. The Pun is strong with this one.

[@gimpsor]

100% agree. These themes were very clearly established in Loki - Freewill v determinism and chaos v order. One path vs infinite paths. I recommend the Gardens of the Forking paths to contextualize any multiverse themed media.

[@dannypike8648]

For me, the only thing that will make sense of RDJ being Dr. Doom, is if it turns out at the end he's just a Doombot or something sent by the actual Dr. Doom. Like, he sends them to a bunch of different realities, and shapes them in the image of that reality's greatest hero. To test the heroes of each reality or just to fuck with them. Maybe there is a reality where he leads the illuminati, he sends the other members to other realities and they take up his name when they do. They're his disciples or something. I don't read a lot of comics, but even I know is Dr. Doom is one of the best villains Marvel has. Similar to Magneto in terms of complexity, depth, backstory, etc. He's been poorly done in the FF4 movies, and now in the MCU he isn't even going to be Victor? But just a variant of Tony Stark? That seems even worse than what Fox did to him. I don't have a problem with RDJ coming back, but I think there were way better ways to do it. That being said, we don't have all of the details about it. They could make it all work, but I'm very skeptical. Things have been pretty hit or miss sense Endgame. Mostly miss. To me, it seems like it would have been better to just recast Kang and stick with the story threads they had already set up, rather than pivoting this sharply into a new villain.

[@omaralonzo7764]

If you look at any story involving people, you could probably always conclude there's a theme involving choice. So you could make the same argument for the Infinity Saga.

[@gfunkpalace1252]

This is a two minute video. Skip to 20:53 to get the content

[@lewysigns]

This sounds a lot like my high senior year paper about the "theme" of the book

[@mon_nobi]

Lol definitely not their sharpest argument in this video. Choice is barely even an option for a theme in this genre because it is such a central element to the heroes journey, which is the basic standard in which these kinds of narratives are told. Choice cannot be the theme as it is merely an element of the narrative that derives the actual themes through defining the character's actions. In other words, to identify a theme, you have to understand WHY a certain choice was made, not just the fact of a choice being presented. Saying "choice" is the theme of stories in this genre is like saying "heroism" is the theme, when any reasonable person would say "no shit, but that doesn't really count". One could get away with saying that things like legacy or sacrifice are more accurate themes as they actually speak to choices that characters made, but the mere presentation of choice in and of itself is not a theme. This essay's thesis would've been ripped to shreds by the profs back in my film theory or college English classes...

[@vincent23432]

Stories in general are about people making choices. Thats just a fundamental building block of modern storytelling. You could literally do this with every MCU Movie, every DC movie, every Star Wars movie and any other Movie.

[@Birch123-z9p]

Out of curiosity, if you were to pick any movie ever wouldn’t choice be a theme. It is such a basic thing that every story in which any character has any agency which is all good stories has choice. It feels like we are stretching to defend RDJs casting

[@lyangelo]

You can make any film be about 'choice'. It's the foundation of the hero's journey story structure. Has nothing to do with the multiverse saga.

[@cheddar76k]

I couldn't agree more. This video is nothing but fluff, just 30 minutes of filler.

[@vincent23432]

Exactly

[@VinAnrba]

Almost every video from this channel seems like nonsense filler blabber lol​@@cheddar76k

[@AdvaithR.]

@@M53747But it really is choice. I thought everyone realized that when what if came out

[@mon_nobi]

I was just saying the same thing in a few other comments I made. It's sad that I used to equate screencrush to other "academic analysis" channels like Wisecrack in terms of their research and analysis of pop culture and film theory but just applied specifically to superhero media, but it seems that these days screencrush is very far removed from anything resembling an academic or critical analysis of the texts they cover.

[@nckey42]

By this logic, all the movies ever made revolve around choice, since every action ever taken is a result of “choice”.. Including Thanos’ choice of eliminating 50% of all life.. Perhaps a better word would be “Decision/s” and the aftermath of.. As it is much more impactful in a variety of ways..

[@engarlop]

Saying that the theme is "consequences of choices" is a stretch... Every movie can be described by a theme of "consequences of choice" for example: A Bugs Life is about the consequence of an ant choosing to get big bad bugs to help defend his colony from evil grasshoppers

[@somewhereinbrisbane6813]

Every movie & character is always about choice. Not just marvel or infinity saga. Every movie written or will be written is and always about choice

[@-MrFozzy-]

Just because you say choice and choose doesn’t mean it’s a theme. It’s so vague. Change choice with….lifts right arm…or breathed…….spoke. Come on man……choice is literally in ANY/EVERY movie

[@reavestone308]

If you think choice is a theme, I can’t wait to see your thematic analysis of how all of the characters have taken breathes on screen since Iron Man, really riveting stuff.

[@calebroth2064]

Thank you! I've actually enjoyed most all of the Multiverse Saga but did, like many, struggle on trying to find the thread that connects them all and these past few videos discussing choice have opened my eyes. All the projects make for beautiful tellings of choice and it's power. Slow clap for you guys on discovering this. Makes me enjoy the MCU even more!

[@tanman99]

I’m calling it now. Right here. 8/8/24 at 0030. They introduce Tony Doom by recreating the very first MCU scene. The Funvee. But instead of Tony, Rody gets hit with the bomb but instead of surviving he dies. So instead of his humbling experience in the cave with Yensin learning to deal with his disability and conquering his inner demons and humility he goes into a rage over the death of his friend eventually leading him to want to control everything and everyone thus eventually giving birth to Tony Doom. Obviously I could be totally wrong. I guess we’ll see.

[@NewtNova]

I love how Ryan _chose_ not to spoil X-Men '97 , the only MCU project I haven't seen, whereas he didn't mind spoiling *Deadpool & Wolverine* , the most recent MCU project, that's been on theathers for just a couple of theathers. Props to this guy!

[@TribianiRamoray]

Now we need a follow up video where the topic will be “How MCU changed a character’s backstory completely comparing to it comic book counterpart” 😅 That video will definitely show Ryan re-taking the stance on “why RDJ casting as Dr. Doom is not a good one” lol

[@t00sa]

Lol. Imagine, there's probably a timeline that the TVA had to prune where all the heroes have perfect families😂 Hero: What is this? Where am I? Judge: Sir, your reality is going to be erased, you included. Hero: What?! Why? I am happy. I have family and friends...it's almost too perfect. Judge: Indeed... However, your happiness won't lead to a team-up that is required to save the universe. Hero: Wha-- *gets pruned*

[@kanetsugu21]

"Choice is the theme of the multiverse saga, so we think a variant of Tony that has become Doom will sacrifice himself like Tony because that's who Iron Man always is" has to be one of the takes of all time

[@TheTheatreKing]

Even Mr. Fantastic can’t reach as far as this video does. Doom being hurled into the story was bad enough but making him a Tony variant is just disrespectful to an excellent character.

[@ceramiccoconut]

Also, these movies often have villains connected to Tony in some way. What a better way to end this cycle than to have a villain that is literally Tony? It works well with the themes of being lost or trying to find new leadership in Tony and Steve's absences. This new ragtag group is now going to have to go up against a variant of their old leader. It's very poetic. Also also, a perfect choice point IS the snap. In some universe, Tony wishes for absolute power instead. The stones scar him in the process, but now he's Doom.

[@mon_nobi]

Choice is not an even an option for a theme in this genre because it is such a central element to the heroes journey, which is the basic standard in which these kinds of narratives are told. Choice cannot be the theme as it is merely an element of the narrative that derives the actual themes through defining the character's actions. In other words, to identify a theme, you have to understand WHY a certain choice was made, not just the fact of a choice being presented. Saying "choice" is the theme of stories in this genre is like saying "heroism" is the theme, when any reasonable person would say "no shit, but that doesn't really count". One could get away with saying that things like legacy or sacrifice are more accurate themes as they actually speak to choices that characters made, but the mere presentation of choice in and of itself is not a theme. This video essay's script would've been ripped to shreds back by the profs in my film theory or college English classes...

[@bigmouse321]

wow, look at all these movies where characters CHOOSE to do things! very rare concept, thanks for explaining!

[@TooTallTony]

I feel like you could say literally any movie is about choice.

[@keshavanand]

Choice is the theme of every movie ever made. If it’s only about choice then a Superior Iron man story would make so much more sense than RDJ as Doomsday.

[@mon_nobi]

thats honestly my biggest issue, even more so than the choice to not just recast Kang, is that they muddied up Doom so badly with this casting when Superior Iron Man was right there! Now everyone divided and half of fans hate it and other half are bending over backwards to justify how Doom equates to Iron Man when this split reception could've easily been avoided had they brought RDJ back as Superior Iron Man or just say "evil iron man". Even if that's exactly what RDJs role in the movie will end up being, having used Victor Von Doom's name to tell that story is just so muddy.

[@vultan2000]

It’s about choice, but also consequences. The multiverse and multi-timelines are the manifestation of the fallout from characters choices. In the same way flashbacks were a literary invention to represent memory.

[@conradsalaiz5523]

Probability is not about choice. Probability is about what could/can happen and the direction(s) things continue.

[@mon_nobi]

Exactly! This video essay's analysis really misses the mark by focusing so intently on choice yet missing the point that the Multiverse as a concept is much more about probability than about choice. And when it comes to storytelling, it's about seeing how those probabilities play out based off specific branching points that may or may not be derived from a characters choice (if RDJ is born a native to Fantastic4 universe as their Victor but "just happens" to look like 616Tony, that's not really a choice he made now is it? or if a universe is filled with zombified versions of beloved characters, the story is not about the choices they make since we already know the choices they are likely to make, the story is instead about the probability that their skills, abilities, and choices will help them resolve/survive the apocalypse scenario).

[@AndyseousOdyssey]

The thing that confuses me is kang. So the marvel universe already happened , kang created the kang group , fought each other. Then Restarted the time line. I think the kang thing just messed Everything up

[@chrisdavfrancis]

The choice theme seems like it’s giving the mcu a lot of credit. All the movies in the MCU (including the infinity saga) involve characters and choices

[@tarantasaurus4177]

The Snap II (III?) could have been the different choice - instead of Iron Man Tony snapping away all of Thanos' forces, Doom Tony could have snapped himself into God Emperor Doom mode

[@optimusprime4090]

Cool idea but seems abit of a stretch for our Tony to think of that and exactly that no?

[@GRAFRU68]

Wouldnt that would mess with a decade of movies and narrative context for that to happen?

[@SetYourScapegoatsFree]

You talked about "choice" an awful lot without including a single clip of Neo telling Smith "because I choose to." ScreenCrush will have to live with that choice.

[@cosmiclegend5050]

3:19 Doug: LET'S SET ALL THE PHONES ON FIRE!! 🔥🔥

[@kevinwright1971]

While I see the connections trying to be made, couldn't you spin even phase 1 movies to be about "choice"? Thor chooses to not be party guy and to embrace his rank and position. Tony chooses to be a hero instead of making money being a war profiter, Steve chooses to sacrifice his future to save the planet and to wreck the plane. Just seems a bit of reaching to only look at these with an eye toward choice when it just applies so generally

[@apoorvsingh4459]

Talking about found families and not mentioning Nat? Probably the biggest exponent of that

[@Kidapollo92]

When Steve finds out Bucky is alive he finds he has some family left.

[@Chad0023]

Bro just explained the reason behind anyone doing basically anything in any movie, literally everyone has made a choice, Thanos chose to snap everyone, Hulk chose not to help the army, Ultron chose to extint the human race etc etc😂😂

[@R0bbathehutt]

“Choise is an illusion, created between those with power and those without.”

[@noahm398]

This was a great video! Keep up the great work!

[@jamessuter1598]

The only thing I’m really upset about is Deadpool and Wolverine were to be atomized by that machine but, they walk out unharmed? I’m still lost. Deadpool and Wolverine was amazing but the ending? Lackluster. Im not trying to be a downer or anything that’s just my opinion on the movie and I haven’t seen anyone talk about it

[@kolcs]

I have a different theory. The overarching theme of all rge MCU movies is "beint alive". Think about it. All the MCU heroes are alive. But then Iron Man stopped being alive. But Dr. Doom is alive. Robert Downey Jr is also alive. He is clearly the perfect choice for the role.

[@kornobi_3165]

I still don’t like it, but hundreds of millions of dollars can’t be wrong. But rewatching infinity war/end game RDJr. had such a great ending…

[@mcmonster1084]

Literally every movie that has ever been made is about choices. Trying to make it make sense is making yall look silly af

[@ramboluib2752]

I thought Ryan didn't like the idea of RDJ as Doctor Doom. How the turntables 😆

[@NinPossible]

Can’t believe the Multiverse Saga is about to end. Everything went so much banana that it felt like the Saga hadn’t even started. The only show that progressed the most is Loki. Just like every universe needs an anchor being, this saga needs an anchor stuff like Infinity Stones. I know that the Multivitamins thing is the center of this saga but it still feels like it’s impossible enough! What a mess. I love RDJ but I doubt the Secret War will make 5 billion USD. If Doomsday flopped, get ready to wait another 5 years for the Secret Wars! I complained because I care. Who knows? In the next decade, after overanalyzing things, we might end up loving this Saga just like we love the Prequels now. The theme of choice sounded good but it also sounded very basic. It's a basic story writing. Each character must make a choice to grow and so on. I can say that Thanos made a choice to erase half of the universe to save it. Tony made a choice to help the Avengers when he could have chosen to be with his family. See? You could go for "free will vs determinism" but that will work on Loki and Moon Knight (kinda) only. I know I've said things you've covered in the video. It's because I wrote comments before I watched the video. Hope you're right though. It would be so cool if it did.

[@theastronomiefreak]

I feel like you could put „choice“ into any movie ever made 🤪

[@mikehall7189]

Wait, what?! You made a vid saying dropping Kang and introducing Doom was a big mistake. Did the Disney cheque clear? lol.

[@SigmaLance3375]

Legendary Drinking Game: Take a shot everytime you hear the word "choice"

[@Zehneee]

You'll be getting your stomach pumped in no time! Lol

[@dillonstephenson8762]

Take a shot any time you hear and then

[@mattlettieri9663]

Blacked out before the end of phase 4

[@cosiodesign9202]

You can literally break down any movie is based by “Choice”… example, the fist iron man Tony chooses to change. And in Dr Strange and the multiverse of madness, Wanda is trying to have a family 😅 yet she makes so many bad choices

[@mitchfontes1]

but Peter chose to kill Norman tho. Peter 2 chose to stop him he didn't chose to not kill him he was full swing with his glider

[@MarvinMartinez2001]

Werewolf by Night deserved a mention truly the best phase 4 project ever!

[@navidshuda3475]

Doug is unhinged

[@chrisrodgers8255]

Lol😂.

[@mattlettieri9663]

Great goonies reference

[@kennessy510]

man disney must be paying them off handsomely

[@Chaoticduuude]

Bruh you could say even the infinity saga was around choice u could say thanos chose to snap, Ironman chose to snap, black widow chose to die, Thor chose to go for the head the second time, spidey chose to steal cap’s shield Everything’s a choice man what are u on about, this video is very far stretched come on

[@mikeb5067]

I half way listened to this until I heard breaking down echo as if there's any semblance of greater narrative and purpose 🤣

[@BiggHead_T]

It should be Kang, end of story. If they swing Kang back into it, it’ll make the most sense. No amount of videos will make it a good idea 😂

[@ralphrabago4957]

im not flexible enough for this amount of stretching

[@ADjustinG2013]

Every MCU movie has been about "choice". Homecoming had big choicies, Civil was mad choicies everywhere. Don't get your choicies in a bunch, it's superhero nature. RDJ will be a fantastic Doom. But we don't have to make these false reasons for it.

[@thuglinesoldier]

Love all the breakdowns, it helps me keep up. Some people on here are negative but it’s screen crush opinions on good and bad films, if they don’t like it don’t watch it. Simple 😁

[@paulmaloney4387]

Ehh "choices" isn't really a theme. A theme could be something like, "Dealing with the consequences of your actions" but we don't have anything like this explored in the MCU post-Endgame.

[@drblaque521]

THIS WAS SOOOOO GOOD, very insightful

[@DanielMartinez7]

Choice? I’m sorry this is a stretch. Sometimes things can be cash grabs or marvel pushing the panic button… and that’s what the RDJ hiring is

[@Terrible0x0Trivium]

Im trying not to hate this casting decision but its really hard.

[@sirtriston8882]

This is all because of 2 things!! 1. Lokis ascension to God of Storied allows for Multiversal growth. 2. Deadpool 3 Chris Evan’s returns as Johnny Storm. Two very different characters that contrast so well.

[@elisandroku]

Great analysis. One step further is also being on one side of two different sides: Order's side (Kang) vs Chaos's side (Chton -> Wanda)

[@fireproofart5526]

The MCU is like a every comic book I ever read. You read a comic, then the story continues for a couple of more issue, then a whole new story, cliffhangers, teamups, new villians etc...

[@Tomszirnis2]

Screen Crush is back baby 😎

[@abnerfilio27]

Nah thats reaching theyre bringing RDJ back as they cant risk the next Avengers movie to not make money DP3 is not enough to keep them afloat.

[@elkrice]

Robert Downey jr.= Iron Man! He is not Dr. Doom and is going to ruin his legacy by trying to play him.

[@gazwilliams-nc7jp]

I cant wait until the finali of Secret wars, and just as the final battle is about to go down She Hulk turns to the camera and asks "Is this working for anyone?" And swaps the battle for a giant meal scene, where everyone comes together to sit on a mile long picnic table and enjoy a BBQ

[@lyle9793]

I think I’d genuinely enjoy this if it meant we’d get to see she hulk again at all lol

[@gazwilliams-nc7jp]

@@lyle9793 Well they fucked that up by making her shit all over Bruce in the first episode, and be the most unlikeable character in the MCU

[@marcmarciano4276]

Love the theory!!! Makes the most sense with RDJ’s casting.

[@rebeccacampbell7726]

I like this way of thinking-- it fits in with what I see happening in the Multiverse saga, too. The infinity saga was all unified, with a single story and a single endpoint. It was a pretty straight-forward heroic world-saving kind of a story. Then the multiverse saga ends up being about what happens after the heroic world-saving is over. What do you do with what's left behind, when you survive? With Steve's shield, and Ronin's old costume, and Vision's body, and your estranged father's ten rings, and leftover drones. Of course the stories are going to get chaotic and diverse, because the singular story is over. We're in something stranger and wilder. This is also why Armour Wars would have been awesome-- fits into the idea of taking up the remains of the old world. Not to get super academic, but it feels like Iliad-v-Odyssey. From a coherent, clear narrative of war, to a series of stories about the aftermath of war, and how you make sense of the chaos.

[@Kidapollo92]

You think we will ever get the black panther pirate queen or was just for the comics and cartoon?

[@josepgutierrez22]

Man I just wish they would of recasted Kang. None of this would be happening

[@DagNeb_It]

If your theory is correct. The choice the Tony Stark choice would have been in End Game where Tony is talking to Pepper and asking if he shared the secrets of time travel to the Avengers or does he shelve the information. You mess with Time. Time tends to mess back.

[@GaaraFPS]

The always sunny music always makes anything funny 🤣

[@silvahawk]

As Thanos said, “You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me.”

[@codekhalil6437]

Yes. We've seen that said 60 times now 😅 You're not wrong though

[@teddytaylor2099]

I think more of a theme for the multiverse saga is identity, primarily espoused through variants but also through kate Bishop taking up the "identity" of hawkeye, Sam's captain america, shang chi's mothers heritage etc...

[@julioiglesias8067]

i think the best way to "reveal" Doom having Tony's face is having Doom always have the mask, so nobody knows his face, until he gets unlimited cosmic powers. Then he fixes his face and says something like "so this is what your hero looks like?". it would just make it so Doom is Doom who just wants a perfect image. Perfect being Tony Stark, the savior of the universe.