Sargon and Shad Larp About Being Real Men

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[@rambofan334]

I used to think Shad wore a gambeson cause he loved medieval armor, now I realize it's because he's so thin skinned.

[@novuspatriarch]

Have you seen his reply videos? Don't ever make a video saying he is wrong about nunchaku. He'll make a dozen response videos. Thinnest of skin.

[@Nerobyrne]

​@@novuspatriarchthose were great I loved them. But then I do love drama content 😮

[@christophergreen6595]

Boom

[@reform-revolution]

f*ckin got em

[@MrPiotrV]

And also because that's the time period that he thinks women's rights were appropriate.

[@Nemo12417]

"I wouldn't normally cite Andrew Tate, but he said women lose their value every time they sleep with a man...." Yes, Sargon, you absolutely would normally cite Andrew Tate.

[@allekatrase3751]

I'm extremely skeptical that there was ever a time in history where doing great deeds to win fair maidens hand was a common practice. Seriously, just fairy tale larping. Oh, and when Shad talks about what a woman loses when engaging in these things, he's drawing from his religious background. There's nothing tangible they can point to, but Mormons are taught there's a spiritual loss and basically it damages your ability to have future relationships. So I second your advice. Don't fuck religious men.

[@reform-revolution]

it is fairy tale larping as it was never a real practice if it has any historical bases behind it its from battles and sieges where they just r*ped women they found afterwards and it was romanticized like everything else from the time period

[@julietfischer5056]

There is disagreement about whether the cult of courtly love was a real thing or a storytelling trope. That's why there are all these stories about knights fighting for their ladies and avenging wrongs (ending up with the girl).

[@allekatrase3751]

@@julietfischer5056 the fact there's disagreement indicates to me that if it ever existed, it wasn't widespread. Also, it seems limited to a certain class, not the majority of people. Even if there's a historical basis, it seems clear it was never a norm adopted by most people. So, it's larping about something entirely fictitious or larping about a narrow custom of an elite. It's larping either way. Not trying to disagree with you. It's just extremely ridiculous to me that someone would point to that as a serious example of "the good old days."

[@rhett3185]

There are literal secular studies on the subject of the effect virginity or a lack thereof has on future relationships. Virgins typically stick together longer and healthier for long term relationships. Non-virgins have less stable relationships as their body count increases. No need for God or religion bashing. This is objective reality, live in it.

[@kurtacus3581]

Yes sargon, no feminist has ever talked about women being objectified and traumatized by men. They've definitely never talked about that subject, especially in the context of the sex work industry. 😒

[@zenbear9952]

He used to be against feminists that were criticizing media for objectifying women way back in the gamer gate days. He knows this, he's just a slimy weasel and a hypocrite

[@-kurow-7113]

It's always like that. These chuds will suddently care about a topic and assume that nobody has ever talked about it.

[@a-rat-in-your-walls]

​​@-kurow-7113 It's politicized narcissism. The belief that an issue only ever came into being the second you became aware of it.

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

It's a lot like their claim that the art they loved growing up was not political, and that political messaging in art is a very recent phenomenon. They have zero awareness of the fact that they were not mature or informed enough to see the politics in art when they were growing up. All art is political, because it's made by people who live in a particular time and place that is shaped by world politics.

[@YEY0806]

​@FrozenWolf150, or it's because they agreed with the politics of the media they liked since they are convinced their politics is reality. This is common with conservative and liberal thought

[@esbenm6544]

Neither Shad or Sargon would survive 5 min. on an medieval battlefield. They have the bodytypes of the inbred nobles who paid them rather than the fighters themselves.

[@VelaiciaCreator]

But what about his patented move of tucking his legs back as he swings like a 14 year old? Surely that would afford him another minute.

[@Gatitasecsii]

The guy hosting this video does too haha! I bet you do too!

[@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286]

Stop yapping@@Gatitasecsii

[@TheSilkKing1]

In the middle ages, a good chunk of the nobles were actually adept cavalrymen. Except the English who prefered to fight on foot past about 1300. So, no. Not only would he not be a noble, he would disgrace his noble family if he was. He wouldn't even be fit to be levied into service.

[@TheSilkKing1]

@@Gatitasecsii I have a suit of late 14th century plate armor. Depending on the time period I'll probably be fine. And unlike Shad's shitty brigandine, my harness is actually good.

[@novuspatriarch]

Five seconds in. Yes Sargon as we have cave paintings of people having sex. Porn is as ancient as writing. Augustus wouldn't have cared like any modern ACTUAL man.

[@karsten11553]

Sargon would have been the kind of Roman crying about the debauchery of the empire, and that things were much better and more virtuous back in Republican times, godsdammit!

[@novuspatriarch]

@karstenelkjr2540 "This new byzantine ideology is corrupting our youth. Nobody wants to whip their slaves as hard as they used to." I wonder if they realize how ridiculous and old they actually sound.

[@FulgriniusSanguim]

"Men grow tired of sleep, love, singing and dancing sooner than war." - Homer, writer and poet from Ancient Greece. Even if Sargon was offered love, he would turn away from it because he despises the Left.

[@Dominus_Augustus]

Not to mention literal prostitution was LEGAL during the time of Augustus, and he did nothing at all to stop it. So yeah, I think it's safe to say Augustus wouldn't give a sh*t about OF, lmao

[@novuspatriarch]

@@Dominus_Augustus Everybody knows that Augustus fucks.

[@StefanStriegl]

Waste no more time arguing what a good man should be. Be one. -Marcus Aurelius

[@FulgriniusSanguim]

"Few men are born brave, many become so through training and force of discipline." - Vegetius, Roman writer from the 4th Century. He is famous for his books Epitoma rei militaris, and Digesta Artis Mulomedicinae.

[@Nerobyrne]

That man was so based he made it impossible to carry acid anywhere in Rome

[@dontpanic7153]

A phrase which carries more wisdom then at first glance. Not only is it a call to action to actually improve yourself but it acknowledges the fact that different people have different ideas about what a good man should be. Instead of arguing why your idea of a good man is better then someone elses just be your own version of a good man and let other men be what they consider to be a good man. That way everyone gets to be the best version of themselves instead of following someone elses idea of how they should be.

[@stevendorries]

Mark said “Do It!”

[@ethicalfoundation]

"You won't. No balls!" -Marcus, probably

[@jadistucker2073]

"Ladies, you *can* be powerful! You just have to realize that the only value you've ever had or ever will have is to be the sexual conquest of a man and then you can hold that over him and hope he's not the sort of guy that'll just take what he wants, which, statistically, isn't terribly likely. It's an incredibly empowering thing!" Also, there's nooooo fucking way they would have any issue with Andrew Tate if it was societally okay to do so...

[@jeremiahbullfrog226]

I had no clue Shad was like this until he argued with Skallagrim about feminism and the Barbie movie on Twitter. Got increased respect for Skall though.

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

There were some early signs Shad was right wing, like when he argued the Crusades were defensive, which is the same exact thing Steven Crowder said. Three Arrows did a good video debunking this claim.

[@reform-revolution]

Skall rarely gets involved with the politics so that had to be pretty bad for him to step in

[@jeremiahbullfrog226]

@reform-revolution Fron what I remember, Shad basically said that Barbie was feminazi cancer, and Skall was basically like, "Dude you're an adult stop embarrassing yourself." And Shad kept posting cringe from there.

[@julietfischer5056]

Shad got upset about _Masters of the Universe: Revelations_ for some reason. "Boys need heroes!" And all I could do was think of several millennia of stories about heroic men, and more recent literature full of stories about boys. Boys don't lack for role models.

[@EmperorMegas]

@@julietfischer5056 Especially toxic ones.

[@seansteele6532]

Cam girl “I consent.” Paying customer “I consent” Augustus Caesar “I DONT!”

[@reform-revolution]

Caesar would have 100% been a simp for cam girls lets be honest old politician that spent most of his time with his army on campaign doesnt get much time to drop the hog with his wife

[@reaverfang377]

Augustus Caesar "Actually maybe I do." Shad in joker makeup "WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY"

[@iron-thorne]

You made me spit take. Now i have 7-up in my nose.

[@lonelyone69]

Sargon: I love the free market its great Free market: Theres a hole here for hyper-convenient cheaper sexual content Sargon: No not that free market

[@VicViper1984]

Sargon, and insecure men everywhere.

[@zakkizer2490]

Capitalism is perfect in every way shape and form, except when people spend money in ways I don’t like

[@ennayanne]

a hole

[@jaymorgan7728]

​@@ennayanne Many holes!

[@Nerobyrne]

I find it really telling that OF is the downfall of civilization. Not all the things that have been going on before, where men controlled and profited from women's sexuality. No, only once women are in control of it does it become a problem.

[@videogamenostalgia]

It's so funny seeing Sargon with his unbelievably smug facial expressions and his little suit, acting like he's this great scholar on history, culture etc. when he's just some Internet rando with zero meaningful accomplishments to his name.

[@ethanaskey7285]

He sunk UKIP into irrelevance, I'd say that's an accomplishment just not one sargon would be proud of

[@Sgt-Wolf]

Well he has one thing to his name. Sexual misconduct allegations.

[@-kurow-7113]

He managed to turn edgy white boys into far right extremists

[@joearnold6881]

He single-handedly destroyed UKIP, that party of British fascist. He didn’t mean to, but he did accomplish it 😂

[@petrfedor1851]

Task failed succesfully.

[@Salvanas42]

I used to watch shad and he had some great insights into midevil history but I broke it off when he said he was going to take Mormon scripture over any historical evidence

[@chillinsquirtle]

He's mormon? I didn't realize he was dumb dumb

[@khill8645]

I'm not surprised he'd do it, but I _am_ surprised he'd say it out loud...

[@mutalemwananshiku4098]

He is a mormon?

[@Rob_Fordd]

When I learned Shad is mormon (despite living in australia lol), things started to make more sense...

[@karsten11553]

To me as well.

[@thrillhouse4151]

Wow I didn’t even know that was even a thing, Australian Mormons, that’s pretty pathetic, couldn’t even make up their own religion where Jesus lived in Australia.

[@michaeldeaton]

That's batshit lmao but Aussie and New Zealand religious cultists are really batshit. Ken Ham and Ray Comfort are your go to examples.

[@Rob_Fordd]

yeah they've tried to spread their tentacles internationally the last few decades as church growth in the US stagnated. There's even like 100k of them in Japan lol@@thrillhouse4151

[@comyuse9103]

i suppose i can get why an american can fall into the 'im special' hole, but how does an australian fall into the 'america is special' hole? seriously, what the fuck? this is another level of pathetic

[@Nerobyrne]

I know it was real subtle, but Carl called Shad's wife a cow to his face and Shad just agreed.

[@happytofu5]

What? Where?!

[@DrPonner]

All those years ago when Shad mentioned he was Mormon, I pretty much knew this was the route he'd go if he kept inserting his politics in his videos.

[@Nuvizzle]

I was shocked to learn there are Mormons outside of the US. A religion that believes Jesus was American feels like it wouldn't have much broad appeal on the world stage.

[@DrPonner]

@@Nuvizzle you can mental gymnastics your way to any conclusion.

[@darthbrooks4933]

@@Nuvizzlewow, you didn’t do the slightest amount of research before saying dumb shit huh?

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

That also explains why he believes in "love at first sight" both as a fictional trope and a real life phenomenon. He did a video about how he met his wife, which just so happened to be in a church gathering, which is part of a religious institution with strict gender roles and control over people's personal lives. If you know anything about the history of the Mormon church, it doesn't surprise me that things happened this way.

[@goukeban6197]

@@FrozEnbyWolf150 And now he has a family with 5 beautiful children. Keep seething.

[@dhampirdp3489]

As a sword guy shad doesn't speak for us most aren't cringe just odd

[@reform-revolution]

I mean ..... we are cringe but not shad level cringe

[@dhampirdp3489]

@@reform-revolution everyone is a bit cringe deep down

[@reform-revolution]

@@dhampirdp3489 what is man but a bag of cringe

[@Gwennerini]

@@reform-revolutionA bag of cringe with a side of base.

[@boojunkles]

Honestly! Most creatives and passionate people are somewhat odd, but most of us don't argue against basic equality lmao

[@firefly5677]

I'm not sure if anyone else has fallen off as fast and hard as Shad did. I used to watch his HEMA videos and fight breakdowns all the time. Now he's just another far-right anti-sjw type who is unbearable to listen to

[@maaderllin]

He was shit at HEMA anyways. No one in the HEMA communities take him seriously because he constantly rambles stuff out of his ass, and whines when he gets criticized. He even called HEMA "elitist" for that.

[@callusklaus2413]

Ugh, same. I moved on when I found a real and loving HEMA community IRL, but it's ugly seeing him like this. I wonder if I'll ever run across him, or if the Euro scene has disbarred him like the NA scene has disbarred Lee Smith.

[@maaderllin]

@@callusklaus2413 As far as I know, he's not in any HEMA club. He can't handle being considered a noob and being criticized on his forms so he leaves and surrounds himself with noobs he can recruit in his cult instead.

[@nikhtzatzi]

He was always a bit strange on society topics

[@Pensnmusic]

"That type of connection and intimacy" What Shad meant to say was "that type of control and control" because he feels like he can't control women unless they're totally naive and have never experienced human relationships with anyone but him Because then they'll know he's an insecure control freak and they'll escape his basement on the first day. The very first day they'll be out of there. Gone.

[@Pensnmusic]

"They've robbed themselves of that potential" The potential slavish devotion to your husband because he has the resources that you need to not die? He's literally talking about a form of Stockholm syndrome. I'm gonna vomit.

[@CuddlesTheSlayer]

“Men did great things to see boobs” I genuinely thought Shad was going to go on a diatribe about men writing poetry and sonnets, or painted and sculpted to win the hearts of the fair maidens. But, no. He talked about romantic journeys of conquests, because art is feminine and his audience (all men) only care about combat and fighting.

[@VelaiciaCreator]

The irony being that recordings of such endeavours can be counted on two fingers. Well, historical examples outside of mythology.

[@CuddlesTheSlayer]

@@VelaiciaCreator to be clear, I’m not saying he would be right if he did say it. I’m just saying he could have given that answer and it would have been better then “combat”. It was just an observation that I had made.

[@VelaiciaCreator]

@@CuddlesTheSlayer My comment was a "yes, and". Adding more to what you were saying.

[@raydgreenwald7788]

​@@VelaiciaCreatorthe one time I can think of somebody doing combat for the hand of a fair maiden off the top of my head it was a woman swinging the sword

[@Tareltonlives]

Fun facts: Caesar and Genghis Khan were already married before they left their home country and Alexander didn't even conquer for his boyfriend, let alone his wives. He did name a city after his boyfriend, but that's not why he conquered Persia.

[@generalsci3831]

It's sad to see Shad go this route. But, ever since he got mad about artist protests against AI images it was clear to me that he's not worth anyone's time. Now he's a guest on Sargon's no-need-to-dog-whistle-anymore show? Yikes.

[@Rawr1752]

Oh he even got mad about people protesting AI stuff Man I watched some of Shad's stuff, and found it fun, but knowing this now is disheartening

[@aetherkid]

I can't believe I used to listen to Shad. Ugh. He started off as decent and nerdy and now he's on fash channels all the time

[@Xynth22]

It is sad to see Shad go down this route, but he wasn't wrong about the whole AI art thing. People are spreading a lot of misinformation about how AI art generators work in order to try and kill it before it gets going because they are job scared. And the idea that AI art generators steal art is one of the big lies. People wouldn't be nearly as scared of it if they did work off stealing art.

[@Vincentpanh]

@@aetherkid I don't even know who he is anymore, your lil bro is a artist for fck sake :V

[@Nerobyrne]

The thing is, if you watch his early content, there's some really good academic stuff on there where he goes through a ton of sources and stuff. Shame he never bothered to do that for his politics.

[@ben9441]

Laughed my god damn ass off when shad said women have a lesser drive. No shad, its just that no woman wants to fk you.

[@CharlieApples]

Also that women are threatened and shamed about having a sex drive starting on the day that they’re born, being told women aren’t supposed to want sex and if they do it makes them a bad person

[@Tentegen]

​@@CharlieApples400%

[@NoHiro-qc4dv]

Lets go one step further: Its that your wife is disgusted by you Shad. Cant wait for that eventual divorce.

[@ben9441]

@@NoHiro-qc4dv nah they won't divorce, they're Mormons, it's basically the biggest sin to get sperated, then she gets kicked out of the church and exiled by everyone she knows. Unfortunately for these trapped women it's easier and safer for them to stay in loveless marriages then divorce. It's really really sad how these cults work

[@NoHiro-qc4dv]

@@ben9441 god that is depressing but good point, appreciate the correction.

[@skyeguy7914]

Y’know, it’s funny. Sargon and Shad are the kind of people who would get upset that you brought “whataboutisms” into conversations about men’s rights and Men’s issues. Failing to understand that THEY are the ones who brought the issues and rights of women, trans people, and gay people into the conversation in the first place. Like, bro, the reason we have to constantly bring up women’s rights when you talk about Men’s rights, is literally because you keep talking about how much you wish women didn’t have rights.

[@GeteMachine]

Men who dont think women should be allowed to wear pants or think for themselves, talking about how oppressed men are by feminism, always kiss me. Their example of mens rights is always the military (where they want to ban queer people from) and the not-happening-draft. Or how men who generally make more than women, are who often pay alimony, but then they say there is no wage gap.

[@themachine5647]

Well you see, they HAD to bring up the problem with men's rights and men's issues because as successful men who grift mountains of money from lonely teenager boys on the internet, they are OBVIOUSLY the most oppressed, most subjugated people in the world and need this valuable platform to reach out for help. Think of the children! (Them. They are the children.)

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

I stopped watching Shad the moment I saw his crying over Wonder Woman. I heard he made a second channel dedicated to crying over media, but I had no idea he went this downhill.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

If he knew anything about Wonder Woman he would not cry about her. Her explicit weakness is that she loses her superpowers IF she gets tied by man. Of course she is still large and fit woman so trying to make use of that is not that easy.

[@bradh6980]

Shad: I'M THE LAST WARRIOR IN THE WEST! *proceeds to attack pool noodles in his back yard*

[@thomasphillips885]

Hyaaaaaargh! *Stops for 10 minutes to get his energy back*

[@thebeavpercabethftw9604]

I almost forgot Sargon was a thing.

[@JPH1138]

He seems to have gotten some kind of funding because he's apparently trying to effectively start British Infowars.

[@Nerobyrne]

@@JPH1138 God I hope he calls it "Britfowars"

[@Mark-jr6ld]

I can't believe he's graciously hosting a heretic Mormon cultist infidel

[@ih8myfriends]

This is the worst. As a man who is not very sexual. I resent being painted as a closeted sex fiend that these jokers suggest I am.

[@whatsupinspace854]

As a man who is a closeted sex-fiend, Carl Sargon Benjamin does not speak for me, and I disavow and condemn any and everything about that Rome-worshipping fascist.

[@hotmealdotcomma]

@@whatsupinspace854 As a man that HATES sex, I must thank Sargon for making sex seem lame by association.

[@happytofu5]

​@hotmealdotcomma Hail to the almighty garlic bread! 🧄

[@kurtacus3581]

The reason they keep emphasizing the whole "she felt empowered but then became miserable" narative is 100% in order to then transition this same talking point down the line to women in the workplace. There's a reason its such a vague and unspecific talking point. "Ah, see? You women thought you would be empowered by joining the workforce, but look at the statistics! Women are more miserable than ever! This is just like what we said with onlyfans. You feminists thought this wouod be so empowering but now look where you are. This is why we believe in natural, traditional, organic, cage-free christian values. Where women dont have to have these horrible stressful lives. They can jist ve at home and take care of the children, as is their place and where they are happy. Just look at how happy mothers are! Not a care in the world! Happy to be our servants-I mean slaves-i mean dutiful wives." Its all about setting the groundwork. Attacking onlyfans is the "sensible" thing to do. Its more palatable to attack. But once people are comfortable with that then it becomes attacking women in the workplace in general. Then its women making any sort of money on theur own or having any way of sustaining themselves, to ultimately push the goal of keeping women trapped in marriage, in the home, busy taking care of the children

[@julietfischer5056]

Never mind that women have worked and earned money for millennia, often while taking care of the children and running the household.

[@nikhtzatzi]

Responsibility brings anxiety, they literally ask women to pretend they never saw anything or accomplished anything and take the oblivion pill.

[@mercedeswalt6621]

I’m only 13 minutes in, but I find it very amusing to think that back when men commodified women themselves, they did respect them. This braindead attitude that women are hurting themselves because their taking their own means of production, their bodies, is weird. It’s rather…anti-Capitalist. Also, I used to like Shad a lot, I used to love watching him and other sword nerds. I stopped watching Mettatron when he started talking about gay people because I instinctively knew he was chuddifying before my eyes. I hope Jake addresses him too.

[@Dreigonix]

The virgin Shadiversity vs. the chad Skallagrim.

[@SugaMot]

"The problem is women being free" Wow. I think that sums up their views on women very nicely

[@elijah8251]

27:20 If you read Shad's book Shadow of the Conquer that number can be as low as 14.

[@cajunguy6502]

None of the other HEMA guys need to get political. But as soon as one does, I know Shad will unironically try to chastise them for bringing politics into the hobby he loves.

[@callusklaus2413]

I think that may be partially why he has. We have done a lot of work in the Euro and North America scene to get our nazi problem under control. On the west coast we banned Lee Smith and a few other right wingers who held influential positions from our tournaments and events. Some similar moves have been made in English and Central Euro HEMA scenes.

[@cajunguy6502]

@@callusklaus2413 makes sense. The whole reenactment adjacent scene has had a toxic streak to it. I know the LARP community has worked hard to curb their toxicity. The guy who founded Amtgard isn't even allowed in amtgard 😂 and with so many more cosplay girls and TikTok influencers joining the Ren faire scene, rennies have had to clean up their white trash problem or risk losing all the hot young ladies. Outside of the Civil war guy, historical reenactment and sim as a whole has done a good job combatting (no pun intended) their issues with racism and trashy snobbiness. Guess it's all to much for a conservative Aussie with a bad attitude

[@Whightknight16]

Shad fell down the far right rabbit hole fast, I remember when he collabed with OSP about Medieval Weapons, not surprising they dont affliate with him

[@DrPonner]

Shad's a Mormon so it was inevitable

[@Whightknight16]

@DrPonner Wendigoon is religious but pretty basec

[@666FallenShadow]

wendigoon gives me yikes vibes as well, i don't think it's long before he drops the façade too@@Whightknight16

[@saltdriven9137]

It’s wild to realize that Shad and Jazza are real brothers. I wonder how Jazza feels about this guy

[@EmperorMegas]

Wait, not Jazza the artist, right!?

[@darkshadowrule2952]

​@@EmperorMegasholy fuck, I just looked it up, yes that Jazza

[@Sgt-Wolf]

What the hells a jazza?

[@darkshadowrule2952]

@@Sgt-Wolf kind of like the big name in the KZbin art scene

[@c.m.9369]

The guy who steals other people‘s art, so he can call himself an „artist“ after an AI has mangled it together, and the guy who ran for political office by making rape jokes about female politicians… Yes, I‘m sure THOSE are the people we should listen to about how society should be.

[@jackmcglion8337]

I said it once and I'll say it again. Skallagrim is the chad of the community. Shadiversity is the virgin.

[@skalliedA]

I was only vaguely aware of Shadiversity for the longest time, and only learned he was a chud from his drama with Jack Saint. I can't say I'm surprised to see him there with Carl, but I feel like chumming it up with that peabrain must be a new low. Watching those two was brutal...

[@reform-revolution]

"a cuckold of house gay"

[@avlaenamnell6994]

i used to be a big fan of his but my god.... i didnt know he was such a fucking waste.

[@LauraTeAhoWhite]

Shad is an Australian Mormon LARPing as an medieval English knight. I feel sorry for his family. The guy is clearly not doing well mentally. Good thing he is wearing a gambeson, that drop down the alt-right rabbit hole is a long one.

[@DahVoozel]

You have committed the most unforgivable offense against me, Jake. You reminded me that Sargon exists.

[@Rawr1752]

I mean, I will continue designing my characters, and writing my stories often involving what is considered pornography by these two, and I will go back to work, help my friends and family in the way I can, while also writing those stories with them, continue working on my hobbies, and still probably do those things. It really is an unfun, unsafe, and unexpressive world that they would make us live in. I'm glad that when I had my slide down the right wing pipe line, that my understanding that people are people no matter what they are doing, or what they're like held out. With a lot of help, and those morals still strong, I got out.

[@jackthereader]

Man, we’ve come a long way from when Sargon was a guest on Bibble Reloaded.

[@blackbloom8552]

Yeah, time has this way to change your perception of things. one of my favorite video was the last generation chick tract and its pretty bittersweet to go back to it, knowing how greg turned out.

[@michaeldeaton]

That's how sociopaths operate, they play pretend to get close before they begin to reveal what utter trash they are

[@mercedeswalt6621]

Yeah, me too, the Last Generation is bitter sweet. But the one with Steve Shives in it gets even funnier.

[@SilverDragonJay]

Dark days, those were. I still see Hannah's cope beard in my nightmares sometimes. (okay, it wasn't that bad, but she definitely looks prettier and happier without it)

[@mercedeswalt6621]

@@SilverDragonJay sorry? Cope beard?

[@TorvusVae]

No, I knew I didn't want this crossover. But after seeing Shad mistreat his little helper minions in his videos, I kinda knew something like this was in the pipeline

[@TorvusVae]

also also, Shad's leaving out the part where courtly love was explicitly non-sexual. The whole point of the Lancelot/Guinevere plot was that they broke the conventions of courtly love by actually cuckolding Arthur

[@tyrongkojy]

I've seen Cuties. It's about how sexualizing kids is BAD. If these morons do not grasp that, then THEY are the problem.

[@EmperorMegas]

I had no idea Shad was a CHUD. I just thought he was a medieval weapons geek. Jesus Christ...

[@chillinsquirtle]

He was one of those dudes crying about princess peach being too strong in the mario movie

[@dg7815]

Yeah it was a real bummer when I found out how much of fuckwit he really is.

[@christophergreen6595]

Heartbreaking, innit? And he chose to make this part of his media persona, so now its canon.

[@EmperorMegas]

I haven't seen a Shad video in over a year, so I wasn't aware of any of that goofiness. And Sargon, I knew he was a POS for YEARS, but he's acting like he's on some weird religious shit now. What the hell is wrong with these guys? What are they always so threatened about? I honestly don't get this weird new chauvinist thing they're all on now. Even the CHUDs that are atheist are parroting sexist Chrisitian and Muslim dogma like they're theists or something. I feel like they should stop playing games and just all just fuck each other and get it over with.

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

He once argued the Crusades were defensive, as Steven Crowder did. That was a sign he was putting political ideology over facts and evidence.

[@banonKING]

Oh boy... I think these two might break the meter on snobbery, whinny, little, nerds.

[@Sgt-Wolf]

Time to take there lunch money and shove them in a locker.

[@RecRoomPlays]

i only found out shad was a right-wing freak when he lost his mind about the mario movie and jack saint, but seeing him on sargon now certainly isn't a surprise anymore. feel really bad for his daughters. (highly recommend jack's videos on him btw, they're quite funny)

[@JEEBUSxHIMSELF]

shads own brother, jazza, has denounced him lmao

[@VelaiciaCreator]

The irony of Shad's take on Chivalry.... there are like two examples of that ever remotely happening. Two. One was an excuse to set off the already prepared-for war, and the other I can't strictly recall the details. One was your typical fight over a woman and the other was the "rescuer's" mother or stepmother.

[@VelaiciaCreator]

And if he's talking about the matter as if women were trophies.... first off EW. Secondly.... no. I think he skipped over all the chattel talk.

[@RaccKing21]

Honestly, the best part about OF is that it takes some power away from large companies, like MindGeek (they own pornhub), producing companies and model companies. You can easily look up how pitifully pornstars are paid, the issues with testing for STIs, and especially the issues with sexual assault, which is often brushed under the rug by model companies. Companies often post clips or even full videos on PH and the stars in the video earn jack from the ad revenue. At least on OF people can pick who they'll work with, make sure people are tested, and get paid the income they earned.

[@urahi830]

Oh wow so shad is completely mask off

[@rentristandelacruz]

Don't mess around Jake. That one with the glasses is a student of the blade. In fact, he graduate valedictorian from Blade High School. Don't make him unsheathed his sword by provoking him.

[@musicf3b]

It’s hilarious how these are the men who feel qualified to opine about how society should be. You’d think they’d be more successful given how hard they push for people to live as they demand.

[@goldfishmentality]

The irony of asking if a Roman would be upset that women are making successful businesses with their bodies... as Romans do whatever tf they want with women whenever they want is actually wild.

[@thereccher8746]

I can't take having my heart broken anymore. Too many people I respected fell for this cult. It has to be stopped. (talking about Shad not Sargon).

[@EmperorMegas]

Sargon has always been a POS since hexs been on KZbin. I didn't realize Shad was until today, but I only heard him talk about weapons before and nothing else.

[@kermitthorson9719]

every once in a while i was tempted to watch a shad video. 30 seconds in every time and i remember that he's a total tool

[@GeteMachine]

How is getting thousands or millions a month in ad revenue just to spew unsourced opinions every few days not lazy? How is anything these guys do not lazy? They don't work 9 to 5. They arent doing backbreaking male, masculine labor jobs (that they want women out of) at all themselves. Matt Walsh has an ear piece where his lines are fed to him, to say.

[@VicViper1984]

Right. These dudes will sit there and wax poetic about the virtues of hard, manly labor that requires true grit, while having done nothing but make money off sitting around giving poorly informed hot takes and pretending they speak truth to facts. Sex work is harder, more skilled work than what most of these clowns have ever done.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

@@VicViper1984 Johnny Sins and Nina Hartley are better rolemodels than they could be. Both have stable marriages and are extremely professional performers.

[@VicViper1984]

@@vksasdgaming9472 I honestly have no idea who either of those are.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

@@VicViper1984 Johnny Sins is highest-rated male adult performer on this moment. Nina Hartley has perhaps longest active career in that industry from 1980s to to today. Her male counterpart is Ron Jeremy.

[@VicViper1984]

@@vksasdgaming9472 Haha gotcha, and I absolutely wouldn't be surprised. Not to discredit Johnny or Nina, but Shad and Sargon are setting a profoundly low bar.

[@GraveReaperCushions]

Pitch: Sargon and Shad starting a joint OF account where they parade around in bikini armour...

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

Next to people who are very big fans of Roman history, guys who are really into medieval larping always seem to have an fasci side to them. I knew a group of guys I used to do SCA with who were WAY into their "viking heritage", which is not an automatic red flag to me.

[@FulgriniusSanguim]

the difficulty is that the Fasces is a literal roman symbol....it's a also a literal bundle of sticks. so, you have a LOT of symbology there.

[@GeteMachine]

A lot of medieval guys tend to be. They seem to think medieval times was an ideology rather than a literal period of human history, and those guys usually think that it looked like Game of Thrones, and larp about "how noble and pure Europe was were back then." They're usually somewhere on the white nationalist, white supremacist spectrum, because they always complain about woke history, if it contradicts their ideology. Like the guys who got mad at God of War for not portraying Thor as Chris Hemsworth or that Gays and black people did exist then.

[@christophergreen6595]

Ehhhh, the other side is out there too. I know some good lefties into pagan/sca scenes. ADF grove, specifically. But yeah... up here near Cle, we had the 'Alt-knight'... a dude who goes to anti-muslim (and later anti-BLM etc) protests in full crusader gear.

[@erikhendrickson59]

OnlyFans is such a definitive example of late-stage capitalism, but these guys cant directly criticize that.

[@jackrichardson9863]

I think the reason Shad and Sargon think prostitutes in the Roman Empire were only allowed to have one client at a time is because they're confused and the opposite was true in Edo era Japan: Clients of the pleasure district were technically only allowed to see one courtesan at a time. The reverse was very unfortunately not true and it lead to courtesans having to do shit up to and including cutting off their fingers to "prove their love" to their clients.

[@flexibleskedule]

The whole "giving the magic away" thing has zero logic. It's literally just them being insecure about their sex skills. what.

[@extrams0]

would Augustus have allowed OF. ... I'm sorry - are we talking about Augustus as in Ancient Rome? DFQ!? "Prostitution was legal, public, and widespread" "It was considered natural and unremarkable for men to be sexually attracted to teen-aged youths of both sexes" "prostitutes sometimes displayed themselves naked at the entrance to their brothel cubicles" ~~ wikipedia, "s*xuality in ancient rome" And OF ain't even prostitution. ... Augustus? Augustus??? Augustus would probbaby be thinking "what are these crybabies crying about, I got an empire to run and wars to fight".

[@GeteMachine]

"Yesss.. When women had more restrictions on their social lives, men got to do more!"

[@sly2076]

After all these years Sargon STILL loves talking about that Cuties movie. Whats that saying about protesting *too* much?

[@sbushido5547]

_"What can they do?"_ He asks, having never actually talked to a feminist about the subject. Such a towering intellect.

[@bleakautomaton4808]

What losers

[@Gatitasecsii]

There's no such thing as a "problem of prostitution" Unless you're talking about exploitation.

[@amehayami934]

I was a cam girl. And yes it's Commodifying our bodies because we choose to. We're just using the Assets we have 😂 Girls like us is very positive about sex. Some people says it's degrading. I don't think it is and I'm kinky Degradation can be fun if negotiations and consent is involved. Point is women make the choice for themselves. They're just mad because we're the type of women that just does wtf we want. And fallow the Wiccan rule doesn't matter if you're Wiccan or not. "If ain't it harm none, do what you will"

[@reaverfang377]

It's also a bit different from more historical examples because modern sex workers can say no without getting into trouble and there is a higher chance the police will protect the worker then say like 1800s for instance. You could even argue the empowerment angle can be stronger then the commodifying depending on how the worker handles the whole affair

[@amehayami934]

@reaverfang377 yes I agree I'm Gen X. Got kicked out of my dad's house when I was 18 I know about prostitution. This is back in the early 90s don't think cellphones took of yet? And if it did it wasn't smart phone's. We had pagers back then it was dangerous. We don't know who we're get. The other option is finding a pimp but they take 80% But now days we can vet our clients and do it in safty behind a camera 😊 I hope this empowers women. Back then they couldn't say no, but today we can claim this for ourselves. Besides prostitution was created by women, for women. Without us this country wouldn't exist Because of prostitution. That's when women started having power and that's when men started demonizing it.

[@happytofu5]

​@@amehayami934They are angry because its outside of their control. You rock on!

[@TheMagpyeTrader]

For $20,0000 there would be no limits on what I would be willing to insert.

[@kermitthorson9719]

these people empower the creeps that are horrible to OF creators

[@Draconianoverlord55]

1, not all christians are like american christians, that assumption is very derogatory and discriminating 2. Mormons are not Christmas

[@G.reviewz]

I never knew shad was such a reddit mod. This is news to me not that i watch his fkn channel ive seena few vids but im not subbed thank god. Ok you should NEVER quote andrew tate EVER “I was around the age off uh 11 when i started having sex” *D O U B T*

[@thomasphillips885]

These guys don't realise that some cultures don't cover their boobs. They still get stuff done.

[@Lyscian420]

I just recently stumbled onto your channel. Really enjoy your commentary. Love seeing a guy on YT who isn’t a fucking wierdo. And has good and normal advice and presents masculinity in a way that doesn’t make me throw up in my mouth.

[@nielsjensen4185]

The next God's Not Death title is, "God's Not Death 4 - OnlyGod!"

[@alliejasmine]

I’m glad I stopped watching Shad when he got whiny because fantasy isn’t realistic.

[@Alresu]

Hey now! Not fair calling them out on their jobs of non-heroics! They got distracted by only fans! Didn't you listen?!^^

[@AnyHeroBlake]

"men did great things when they couldn't just see breasts all the time" is such a wild thing from a dude who clearly doesn't even wash his face regularly

[@SLAUGHTERAMA]

Dammit, the Venn Diagram between medieval history geek and chud is a circle at this point. I need to reconsider my hobbies now.

[@rakelodakel]

As a huge Warhammer 40k fan, I recognise your discomfort. There's no lack of actual, out-and-about fascists in the fandom, sadly.

[@Mercenary0712]

​@@rakelodakelas a fellow 40k fan, we've got a big fascist problem in the community and fuck all of them

[@darthslain]

@@rakelodakel anime isnt much better....guess who runs in all three circles.....sometimes i wonder how i didnt become one of these losers....cause tbh all the ingredients are there

[@rakelodakel]

@@darthslain most depressing thing about 40k is that it's an anti-imperialist, anti-authoritarian, anti-fascist satire conceived by British punks and goths who's formative years were spent under Thatcher's rule. The message is so on the nose, and STILL, the chuds think it's GLORIFYING them when it's been making relentless fun of them for 40 years.

[@666FallenShadow]

​@darthslain dude anime is massively popular at this point, not some niche thing like warhammer or the medieval thing. Saying anime fans are chuds is like saying movie watchers are chuds at this point.

[@TheThing4444]

I find it strange they would think Augustus would be against it. Wasn't prostitution legal in Rome?

[@myteethareshiny]

Sargon: If the boyfriend is ok with you having an onlyfans, he's not a man, or at least not a man I respect. Me: Please, men. I want all of you to strive to be men that Sargon wouldn't respect. All the things he thinks men should be: don't. He is the low-quality man here.

[@Vi--ss7tt]

The dudes who keep going on about "legacy" are the same dudes who always going on about "Our grandchildren NEED to carry on our family name!" When their last name is Johnson

[@Dominus_Augustus]

Literal prostitution was LEGAL during the time of Augustus, so yes, Only Fans doesn't hold a candle to that, and so yeah, pretty sure Augustus wouldn't have given a sh*t, lmao

[@maaderllin]

From what I've seen in my university history classes, Augustus could actually be considered as a conservative for his time. He managed to transform the crumbling Republic into an autocracy, but always wanted to force romans into a more "moral" way of life, passing laws to promote "family values". However, those same laws forced him to arrest his own daughter for "adultery and treason". He never could even impose those "family values" on his own daughter.

[@mamaluigi74]

It's funny Sargon is a Christian now when about a decade ago he read chic tracks with Hannah and Jake

[@travis_thompson]

Honestly shocked to see shad here, I havnt seen anything from him in a few years, I used to enjoy his takes on historical weapons.

[@demorik6794]

These two definitely still snicker when they say boobs to each other in their day to day lives.

[@jackrichardson9863]

Maybe it's because I don't know much about the Roman Empire, but given that Augustus Caesar lived well before Constantine I'm pretty sure he would have absolutely no problem with porn.

[@jaredandrews5806]

'Guys did great things when it was difficult to see boobs' Well, that explains you lot then

[@justinwalters9811]

These two guys define performative masculinity.

[@ParanormalEncyclopedia]

There's a bunch of problems with prostitution: the human trafficking portion, underage, drug use, still. Only fans fixes some, mitigates others and outlawing doesn't work as well as as regulation.

[@dantheman2907]

Shadiversity more like shidiversity

[@vksasdgaming9472]

I guess I wasn't the only one who adopted Shitiversity as his more proper nickname. Word "shad" itself means fish related to herring.

[@mathiasbartl903]

Augustus wasn't really a chad, he usually let other dudes like Agrippa do the fighting.

[@DJJD669]

The opening question made me laugh. “Shad, how do you feel about other people making their own choices with their lives?” Lmfao, who gives af what Shad thinks about it? Who gives af what Sargon thinks??

[@Mr.potato-d9d]

You know you’re a loser when the legendary corn man roasts you In his title Shad is getting roasted by corn 😂

[@The5armdamput33]

I can't believe I ever used to watch that guy (Shad, not Sargon)... Seeing him now embarrasses me...

[@dorianleakey]

Sargon has been shitty for a very long time, but he used to be too detached emotionally from what he discussed and made everything clinical, he couldnt comprehend empathy. Yet now he sounds like all his opinions are driven by emotion.

[@scruggs108]

Noooo, not Shad 😢!!

[@dg7815]

I’m afraid so. He’s quite the religious fanatic. Also the fact that he’s getting all hot in the collar meeting Sargon is really sad.

[@scruggs108]

@@dg7815 I loved his content. Seriously hurts my heart

[@Sgt-Wolf]

Never meet your heros kid.

[@scruggs108]

@@Sgt-Wolf Roger that Sarge...roger that😔

[@jerodinges7781]

When these types talk about what a man is I always feel insulted like I'm so much more as a man and I wish to be so much more as a man.