Theist Calls In, Gets Absolutely UNHINGED

[@MalevolentDivinity]

The only absolute thing is THE absolute. And she commands you to march on Baldur's Gate.

[@edwardzignot2681]

"In The Name of Bhall" ending would like to have a word with you.....

[@nordicnemo3512]

I feel like it's kinda telling when you had to corner him over the ethical gay person question but when asked if he'd kill his child if god told him to, he's like "yeah dude, thats what Abraham did" with little hesitation

[@n0etic_f0x]

Oh yeah, Isaac (the guy in the video) really does not like... well humans in general. But he does not like gays at all, he really dislikes us a whole lot.

[@adaj472]

He said monotheism is more “realistic”, but actually, i think multiple beings who manage very specific things is a more reasonable conclusion than 1 omnipotent dude who manages everything in the universe alone… especially when certain phenomena conflict or clash. Edit: Ofc I mean before we knew what we know about science, etc.

[@n0etic_f0x]

Yes, this world being made by a single god is... just an absurd notion. It is strange but if you think about it all the conflict in the world makes a pantheon more reasonable. Not to mention they also don't love us and all that weird stuff.

[@snuggldungeon]

Pagan polytheism even parses with science better, you just have to see the gods as natural forces personified instead of literal entities with personhood. Monotheism cannot be divorced from personhood, or you wind up at pantheism or panpsychism instead

[@mckenzie.latham91]

The only reason it is more "realistic" is because it is cost efficient Having to worship, sacrifice and pay homage to multiple gods is hard on the wallet Better to have one god to focus on, and only have to give 10% of your income to one. That's the only realistic thing and the only reason people went monotheistic.

[@n0etic_f0x]

@@mckenzie.latham91 strangely no. Generally pagans want way less. Burn some good smelling stuff and you are good. Perhaps you don’t get to use a temple but most of them don’t think personalization is sensible. It’s wacky that we use Zeus and Ra as blatantly false when they are less absurd than Jesus. Sure Zeus and Ra are not real beings but they are less absurd than Jesus.

[@snuggldungeon]

@mckenzie.latham91 hahahaha whatever. Druidism is free and you get to pick which gods, ancestors, etc you worship. Norse polytheism/heathenism had no tithing at all. Norse, Greek, and Egyptian still did sacrifices, but only to local gods for boons during harvest etc. Zoroastrianism is why monotheism exists, Judaism destroying the other gods in the Canaanite pantheon is why monotheism spread through the world; and it's not about money in modern times it's about control. It's about social and political power, the ability to force as many people as possible into your control.

[@DayneAW]

A rich person is most likely to commit homicide over having their shoes taken than an extremely poor person that can't afford flip flops.

[@SabertoothedTiger69]

This guy is wild... However, unless you're just trolling, you sometimes do talk over them a little much.. He got mad when you called *him* disgusting because he expected you to agree with him and also thought lying to you would shut you up... Which is kinda delusional on his part ngl... I wish christians would be consistent and just admit they love the suffering of other people...

[@SuperCatfire]

i swear to fucking god these idiots will just complain about interruption (on his own stream by the way, they can just fucking leave if they dont like it) that never happened and you people will just actually believe they were actually interrupted just because they said it. which is very transparently a debate tactic to try and steamroll the host

[@JD-qp7sx]

Before I knew what anti-theism is I knew I was one. There is no way to justify Religion, period.

[@Sam-hk7xt]

The action of said people that follow it, yes, you can't excuse it, but the bare idea of god itself or spirituality in all it's flavors is literally as human as war and is the most primal hope. It's a cope of death, the wish for a hereafter. Make fun of it or anything you want in the modern day, but don't judge everyone and everything over an assumption lest you be the same as your accusers.

[@Pensnmusic]

There's no way to justify belief in religion* '*' '*' rationally

[@JD-qp7sx]

@Sam-hk7xt define what it means for a concept to "be human" and why do you feel religion is that. Doesn't mean there's a way to justify it. There is no justification for war, period. Saying that doesn't make me the same as someone who loves to start wars. Fuck outta here lmao.

[@Sam-hk7xt]

We're not talking rationality. I'm explaining why it exists in the first place and disregarding that is disingenuous or lacking empathy for humanity. Who got blood on the bible's (or any other text) pages, not god, but man. Point being don't deny the humanity inside religion of the struggle of wishing there was more. That's a pretty solid justification for existence if Ive ever seen one, especially for early man, but of course as it does, blood poured. @@Pensnmusic

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

​@@Sam-hk7xtit's not backed up with reality, it doesn't deserve respect

[@broadcastbard]

This caller needs an ethics course desperately!

[@tangibleterror2421]

It's never in the actual "church service", its usually in the youth pragrams before you go into church.

[@Kermit-The-Smaug]

You know what other sin not enough people talk about?… … bacon.

[@jurassicsmackdown6359]

Bacon really isnt all that good tbh. It's fine, but i swear to christ everyone and their mother was obsessed with bacon in like 2010, that general time

[@wondersmarvel483]

The fact that, that Christian would be willing to killing his child if his "God" told him to, is shameful. I bet if he had kids his mindset would immediately change. I hope he has that humanity in him.

[@n0etic_f0x]

I know right? In my TTRPGs, there is literally a faction called "For whom no ram came" that are all immune to fire. Still not surprising they are the Abrahamic faiths, it is one of their most treasured stories, they named themselves after it.

[@bluesolace9459]

It wouldn't change. Christians have no morality

[@miskatonic_alumni]

The eleventh chapter of Judges is very interesting.

[@SuperCatfire]

binding of isaac plot

[@SuperCatfire]

the game i mean. i mean i think the biblical thing is also the same way but thats not what i meant

[@BaronVonQuiply]

Imagine if someone was stealing your blood and living inside you. I know that doesn't compare to stealing a salt shaker, that's just asking for death.

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

Nah he is just fine with that because imaginary friend

[@dreadcircumference]

he dipped from that all with the quickness bro

[@jacobjohnston3983]

“When you say that something is morally better than something else, wouldn’t that imply that there is an ultimate standard that you are measuring it against?” I would say no. Just like you can tell whether a tree is tall or not without comparing it to some infinitely tall ultimate object. You tell whether a tree is tall or not by measuring it. You tell whether an action is good or not by looking at the causes and effects of that action.

[@Happyisboss]

The way he says "pffft of course no" whenever you bring up anything remotely 'woke' kinda shows he doesn't have reasons for anything he believes he just holds emotional stereotypes that inform bigotries lol... just mindless

[@en-voguepugh3472]

this guy could not be more a stereotypical american christian if he tried.

[@thekavestation]

a nocturnal emission is what god calls a freebie

[@sophitiaofhyrule]

One of the most disturbing things I've seen recently was a video youtube recommended to me. The title alone disturbed me. It was about raising a "God-fearing child". Raising your child to be AFRAID is so messed up

[@steelgriffin7716]

I was gonna ask about Jake wanting me to love myself, if he meant physically or emotionally...

[@jamierichardson7683]

Yes

[@username-unavailable]

Dude is casually the main boss of binding of Isaac lmao

[@fiercerodent]

Re: "masturbation is a temptation" - The Masturbation Temptation sounds like the title of a daily wire produced christian version of TBBT.

[@darkplum8]

19:50 call connected

[@markharrison6498]

This was a destiny argument. Saying it’s ok to murder someone in defence of property. He might not have picked it up from him but it’s definitely one he’s used in the past

[@mckenzie.latham91]

And that is reasonable in some instances

[@kermitthorson9719]

abortion is specifically refenced and detailed in the bible. its just that its opposite the modern conservative movement against abortion.

[@Piterdeveirs333]

3 parts 1 bean

[@bleakautomaton4808]

I think if someone feels that they have a m-stu-b-ti-n 'issue' they should make a swear jar, but instead of swearing you put money in every time you're done.

[@everfluctuating]

a cum jar, if you will no, not that kind of cum jar-

[@SuperCatfire]

that dude was legitimately 13

[@puckerings]

Grounding your ethics in a deistic god just demonstrates that you have no idea what a deistic god is.

[@jennanyx4968]

I swear I've heard that guy before... i wanna say either on Vaush or Sam Seder... or not at all lol

[@Derpenscruben]

I mean if they could get some mics whenever they call in, it may help distinguish them. But that may hurt their argument of "Silent majority"; As it turns out to be all of 100 people who are going out for arguments! And still getting bodied!

[@michaelgrant4164]

missed rhe chance to say "Smash Bros. Ultimate exists"

[@puckerings]

I absolutely approve of the normalization of the use of "grooming" to describe how children are indoctrinated into a religion.

[@BoxPossum96]

Juice time

[@SuperCatfire]

complaining about human life being on the level of termites (which isn't the dunk he thinks it is) then saying the price of a human life is equal to a $40 pair of shoes

[@Isit_friend_orfriend_shaped]

Personally this is why we need to poke fun at Christians as much as we can. Not like hate crime or mean. Just poke fun. Like yesterday my boyfriend and I went out for Italian the waitress wasn't rude at first but kept ending her statements with Y'all have a blessed day now. I would reply with And you have a magically enchanted day yourself. It's not mean and it's not meant to be, it is mocking because what your saying (outside of DnD style roleplay) is may my all powerful deity do something nice for you today like grant a wish. It's silly and ridiculous but on other levels. "Oh I'll pray for them" ah good Janet I too plan on doing nothing useful to help, I'm just dealing with the guilt rather than pretending like I'm best buddies with the game designer. I'm not even touching the subject of the vid, chat you should go touch yourself if you wanna. This guy definitely isn't. I'd say Jake isn't but maybe as a treat we all know papa Corn fuchs. Y'all have a good day now.❤❤❤

[@argonianbum]

NGL the picture of you in the thumbnail really does make you look like you're in your 20s

[@mikeavina168]

Kid gets so upset

[@thehermit_777]

First! Never been this early

[@kahnabull1694]

I can’t fucking deal. Ppl be like “the trinity is more reasonable than a bunch of Gods” in argument to Hinduism. They are one God. They are many lives and forms of the same God spirit. Think the Avatar. Or like. THE HOLY TRINITY. jeeeezus. People just talk and talk and don’t even know what they’re talking the fuck about. It’s SO infuriating.

[@Vekette]

plus having many gods taking care of each aspect of life would make more sense in every aspect than a singular being thats actually 3 beings who controls every little single aspect of life.

[@username-unavailable]

Hi vegan here. Termites are just as "valuable" They fill a niche and are massively important to the ecosystems in which they live. Similar to the food that termites eat, foundational and supports life beyond itself. Termites arent great collaboration partners for humans in how we have modernized some aspects of wood buildings. But their saliva has very unique properties and we may collaborate with them again in the future after engineering ways to use their spit to our benefits! Even if we dont, even if we cant talk to them, even if they live short lives compared to us, they are still valid beings that feel pain and want to avoid it???

[@username-unavailable]

There was a whole subplot in Invincible where Omniman goes and makes falls in love with a BUG PERSON who live and die within our human months That love and story was just as intense and real to those people as human stories are to us

[@dakunssd]

Time to cancel all the bird species that mainly eat xylophagic insects, I guess?

[@username-unavailable]

@@dakunssd ?? That's who termites are useful for dawg? I'm not obligated by biology to eat animals Those birds don't have a choice

[@dakunssd]

@@username-unavailable " I'm not obligated by biology to eat animals" The entire system of global trade and industrial agriculture, one which necessarily exploits and kills animals, enables you to make the lifestyle choice of not taking in animal proteins. Because we don't have the digestive system to really live off of the native flora of one ecosystem solely. But that's not my gripe tbh. My problem is the idea of personifying and subjectifying animals, which lack a system of morals, capacity to reason, and in the case of invertibrate insects, anything resembling a mammals' CNS that would enable them to feel pain or consciousness. Saying that termites are necessary parts of a forest ecosystem is fine, but claiming that they have a pain response, something that isn't demonstrated in science, therefore it's amoral to use pesticides to keep them out of structural wood or kill them off, is moralising on the part of a non-moral animal. You might as well cancel birds for eating them.

[@username-unavailable]

@@dakunssd hey buddy, I don't give a s*** I was just making a point that added to Jake's argument about how even if being isn't of us we can still care about them and not want them to suffer.

[@eliduncan4630]

Just so we're clear there's nothing otherwise reasonable about Hakim that tankie is super cringe

[@martin2289]

Less theism and more like pointless contrarianism.

[@n0etic_f0x]

Yes... until you are in the Church.

[@Divalerie]

Hi there, sexual biology type here! You can't have both, one or the other comes from the same rudimentary parts. It is possible to have a split into more than one of the same reproductive parts as far as I'm aware, just very rare. So true hermaphroditism doesn't occur, the closest you can get is genetic chimerism.

[@Mouse_Librarian]

I don't know what you mean by "true" hermaphrodites, but there are absolutely animals that exist with both gametes at the same time, some of which are capable of fertilizing themselves. Earthworms are a good example and the vast majority of flowering plants have both as well.

[@TheLeftistOwl]

This was a shit show. The guy was a coward and it felt like Jake only engaged with this to hear himself talk.

[@jamierichardson7683]

The dude is trying to run a DD apologetics script. It needs a hard push back to stop the script

[@juliusweiss5447]

Grow a spine and realize it's fine to call people out on their bullshit.

[@sophitiaofhyrule]

Jake I agree with you but calling people names is just pointless?? I get that what he said was gross and psychotic, but you're not going to get anywhere by insulting him

[@gothpotato]

He tried talking to him normally, some people won't change no matter how you talk to them

[@emilycrow8278]

Jake's side here is more gotchas than conversation and it misses actually letting the other guy talk, which makes it feel like Jake is just talking over a person and refusing to listen to him. I really suggest letting people build their own narratives and then critique and question parts of it to actually deliver your own narrative more fluidly, instead of like a sledge hammer.

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

Yeah, I don't see how this is constructive. It's more about scoring rhetorical points than convincing people to critically analyze their beliefs and change their minds. Someone who digs in their heels is not likely to deconstruct their beliefs, which is ultimately how people leave the religion into which they were raised.

[@emilycrow8278]

@FrozenWolf150 it's about creating a dialectic for the audience. Which is the whole point of debate. Sledge hammer approaches will just come off as "winning" for those wanting to see their ideological opponent dunked on, but a turn off for moderate or questioning people. If it was something like debating a nazi, whose ideas are ridiculous, then using them to dunk on works, because their ideals are relatively niche enough that making them look ridiculous is actually beneficial. Christianity, or any religion, isn't that and it is also a hundred times more socially and emotionally complex of a conversation.

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

You don't get to make up your own narrative. Either what you say reflects reality or it doesn't

[@emilycrow8278]

@UlexiteTVStoneLexite ...what? Are you just angry at something and don't recognize what it is clearly enough to say it, or...? Like, any attempts of describing reality would be a narrative. A non-fictional narrative, but a narrative none the less. That's because we can not remove our individual subjectivity from our attempts in communicating experience and understanding.

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

@@emilycrow8278 wow you are incompetent. You don't get to make up your own ideas about reality. Either your statements can be tested to see if they reflect reality or they don't. You don't get to keep spouting off bulshit mandating that everyone else lives by your imagination. That's not how reality works at all. Yes I get very angry and annoyed when people try to tell me that I have to live by what their imaginary friend says. I get very annoyed by people voting and taking away my rights based on their imagination which does not reflect reality. You do not get to tell everybody else how they get to live their lives based on your imaginary friend. We live in one reality and all statements must reflect that reality otherwise they are bulshit statements and need to be rejected. You don't get to make up your own narrative that does not reflect reality and expect others to respect it

[@TheGrammarNazi123]

I love forced anti-religion in my KZbin recommendations! Stay out of my recommendations.

[@Vekette]

sorry your god doesn't exist, have you tried not being stupid

[@gothpotato]

I Love forced anti religion, keep religion out of our lives

[@superduper7874]

This guy (who said he was a deist, not a theist) wasn't at all unhinged. He came in with a simple issue, is atheism compatible with a grounding of ethics? Jake instead changes the subject to Christianity, even though the caller says he's not defending it. And trying to psychoanalyze the caller by asking questions about his background, which again, had nothing to do with the question. Then he starts to virtue signal, decrying how disgusting this caller is that he would kill someone over a part of shoes "depending on the value of the shoes and himself". Of course, depending on the situation, one could easily conceive of a situation where it's fair to kill someone to protect your personal property. I suspect Jake does this because he can't answer the question...more reasons why this 2010 anti-theist atheism shouldn't return if this is what we get.

[@nordicnemo3512]

The guy said he's Christian, how is bringing that up a change in subject? Also did you miss the part where the guy said he'd be fine with killing his child if God told him to? I think that's where the unhinged aspect comes in

[@mungpoppo]

20:23 "I'm a christian, yeah." Why you have to pretend things aren't how they are when they do?

[@EricKloeckner]

I would summarize the initial conversation as a bad faith argument to begin with. The caller implied that ethics can't exist without religion, which is absurd. Ethics are simply a standard of behavior that you hold yourself to and is based on a society's collective ideas of what is morally correct. They clearly aren't from a divine creator since what is considered as ethical changes over time varies between areas of the world. Ethics are also a branch of Philosophy and in that context religion is usually removed from consideration.

[@0Fyrebrand0]

It was not a great call on either side, but the dude is not a deist. Jake asked him if he's a Christian, and he said yes. The caller proudly shamed his own father for not praying enough, and for drinking and smoking. He said it would be the right thing to do to kill his own son if God asked him to, like Abraham is willing to do in the Bible. Doesn't sound like the talk of a deist to me. Jake didn't "change the subject" to Christianity, the caller was bringing a heaping load of Christian baggage into this call, and it colours his perspective on everything.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

I'm reminded of the time the local cops were caught napping in the cars and the story on paper's website had a comment defending it saying people should prefer the cops to be well rested.

[@Dread_Gladiator_Spartacus]

It is saddening to see anti-theism be propped up at the expense of the blind and deaf. Abraham did not take his son to die for he did not fear God, but had faith that God would honor his coven, and it troubles me greatly to see Christians who forsake Christ's message. Roman's 13:8 "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law."

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

Lol wow what a garbage post. The god of the Bible is a monster Your God doesn't exist buddy No, Abraham did not kill his own son because the entire story never happened. He still was going to do it and was still being obedient to god. That is absolutely disgusting and it's not this great story that you think it is. It demonstrates the stupidity of religious individuals and it demonstrates the monstrosity that is religion

[@BaronVonQuiply]

Could you de-ritualize that and phrase it in modern English?

[@Dread_Gladiator_Spartacus]

@@BaronVonQuiply its troubling to see something useful discarded due to someone's inability to use it properly. Edit: bare with me as I started this reply at a bad time But both are wrong, yes the old laws are no longer enforced, but not because they have been abandoned but fulfilled. With the ending of one contract a new one is made.(This is the reason for putting down Roman's 13:8 ) Nor was the lesson of Abraham properly understood, as the binding of Issac does not double back to restate that before Issac was born God had told Abraham his children (namely Issac) will grow and multiply. Combined with his response to Issac when asked where they will get the animal to sacrifice, Abraham with unshaking faith responded "God will provide the lamb". Abraham did not agree to kill his son because God wished him to do so, Abraham agreed because if God has already told me what is to pass for my child, I do not need to worry about him dying. (Sorry if this came together in a poor fashion, hope the edit was done in time)

[@cw9475]

I thought your cult was against "he that loveth another man"? Not sure you de-ritualised it at all tbh it just sounds more loopy imo.

[@jamierichardson7683]

​@@Dread_Gladiator_Spartacus I am sure all that was very comforting to the terrified child

[@ahh_yes_mr_bax]

There is nothing more self defeating than a christian questioning atheist moral grounding. Like bro, your moral grounding is a literal sociopath with unlimited powers who’s ethics flip on a whim.

[@corywilson2007]

Don't talk about religion you might accidentally do something that the fans liked you for from the beginning.