Peter Coffin Doubles Down On Bad Plagiarism Take

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[@ragingdevi]

Not Peter pointing out Somerton's queerness as if Mr Bomberguy isn't *also* queer (and pointed it out in the video for that reason)

[@PlatinumAltaria]

Bi erasure at it again.

[@Tp_hedgelinghog]

Yeah Harris made a big deal about James made it seem like that a lot of queer people were never heard, while taking all the attention from the talented queer people.

[@tickaten]

He literally said "the first time i heard james somerton plagiarized i thought it was bigots harassing another fellow gay guy"

[@speed0spank]

​@@tickatengay boy* 😉 sounds cuter when he says it lol

[@Mathee]

HBomberGuy: "Anyway, there's a pretty big plagarism problem on KZbin, here are the biggest examples plus receipts, I want to talk about James Somerton specifically because his plagarism isn't well-known and is still actively hurting people." Peter Coffin: "Umm, this is basically cancel culture"

[@scruffopone3989]

Peter saying that if you don't address things systemically, you just play endless wack-a-mole is funny since he's been making his shitty content for over a decade now.

[@smithblack5945]

Haha. I disagree with your timeline though. Their content got shitty after they got divorced

[@BenjaminGlatt]

​@@smithblack5945 nah, it was always shitty.

[@scruffopone3989]

@@smithblack5945 tbh I genuinely have no idea how long he's been making stuff on youtube but I always thought it was shit. Plus he had like two separate partnerships on youtube with women who were equally insane to him and even then couldn't handle his freak ass.

[@videogamenostalgia]

⁠@@scruffopone3989Peter Coffin has done all the KZbin bandwagons in some form or another. I remember 10 years ago they were doing Let’s Plays and music video parodies.

[@nerdjournal]

It shows his immaturity in the concepts of getting a message across. Systemically implies ideology in the current landscape of idiocy. If Harris had focused or pushed for a systemic solution, the message would have gotten far more lost in the argument over ideology. This second video is a straight-up Gish gallop. This idea that we can not criticize a member of a minority group is as stupid as treating Trump like a king. NO ONE IS ABOVE CRITICISM.

[@divineretribution9605]

Hbomb literally shouted out a ton of awesome queer content creators in his video, putting millions of eyes on queer people who aren't total pieces of shit. How is that not a good thing for the "queer community"?

[@just_mike_]

I dunno why Hbomberguy made a video when he clearly could have just ended capitalism. -peter coffin

[@PlatinumAltaria]

That's the next video.

[@mvo9856]

Hbomberguy: I am going to talk about the information that is relevant and not repeat a bunch of stuff about material conditions and Capitalism that I know my audience already knows. Peter Coffin: This is clearly not the right way to do KZbin. The correct way is for you to repeat the same take in every video until your entire audience gets bored with your content and unsubscribes.

[@nerdjournal]

@@mvo9856 Well, that is certainly the best way to form an echo chamber. Which, may just be what Peter wants. His career and last name already know the score, we just need his brain to catch up with the notion that it's over.

[@Space_Colours]

I think it’s hilarious that he calls Hbomb a bad breadtuber as if breadtubers didn’t attach hbomb to their group to make themselves look better. What a bunch of grifters. 😂

[@zenbear9952]

Capitalism for all it's faults doesn't necessarily facilitate plagiarism in fact it's had a tendency to go over board with copyright. Thats the really funny thing here. Even if you ended capitalism you would still probably find people stealing other peoples content

[@PlatinumAltaria]

Gee, I wonder why Peter doesn't want us to track down and call out scummy people...

[@tomisaacson2762]

Omg you're doing an individualism! What are you a capitalist?!

[@UwUarchy0]

Worlds biggest mystery, not even science, can't explain.

[@Vynjira-chan]

Peter "I'm see nothing wrong with Caleb Maupin, but Hbomberguy is the a a terrible person" Coffin.

[@DanJuega]

Woah. When did he say stuff like that?

[@SpaceManRD]

tl:dr "collectivism means never holding anyone accountable for their actions"

[@paulsmart4672]

The use of individualism as a scary word, the notion that leftists should be afraid of individualism in principle, is a very right-wing conception of the left.

[@kylemumford]

Peter is defending someone stealing the labour of other workers in order to profit.

[@WhatdidtheCountessdo]

He doesn't defend Somerton- he points out that Somerton isn't a "bad apple"- there are a myriad of structural issues created by the new "democratization" of the creative means of production within the marketplace created by undemocratic social media monopolies.

[@Spagettigeist]

Being Queer or not has nothing to do with it. The PLAGIARISM is the problem. If someone needs calling out - for whatever reason - then they need calling out. As a queer person myself, I do want people who did something bad to be called out. Even - or maybe especially - if they are queer too. Mostly because there are too many people who'd blame the whole community for something an individual has done. So as a community we need to be aware of those people and call them out.

[@BenjaminGlatt]

I more take issue with Peter callig Somerton a creator. No he fucking isn't; he's a thief.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

It is being queer for Peter Peter is now using this as a "actually this is just another way to give people the ability to attack queer creators" That Is the angle Peter is using to try and weaponize identity politics and allyship for social clout All he cares about is about gaining social brownie points in his little social circle

[@sluttyMapleSyrup]

Also queer here, you're absolutely right OP

[@phoenixheart79]

Thing is, Hbomberguy isn't straight, he's openly bisexual. So if Peter really wants to bring up Somerton being queer, then this is simply the community policing itself.

[@actualgoblin]

James mostly plagiarized queer writers, and he has repeatedly attempted to erase-- or at least minimize-- the identities of queer women and trans people. So I'd say that calling him out is an easy net positive for the LGBT community

[@cogsworther1639]

Peter Coffin is pretty clearly just farming clickbait at this point

[@aprilk141]

I bought his book. I regret that.

[@Megaritz]

Is Coffin farming clickbait for views? They (Coffin) have started so many fights and burned so many bridges with other creators, their view count is drastically lower than it would otherwise be. Coffin has sabotaged their own career for the last few years. So I'm inclined to think Coffin is not trying to maximize views, and in fact really believes the dumb things they say. However, I'm open to counter-evidence. For instance, it may be that Coffin HAS tried to maximize views but had very poor strategy for doing it?

[@Thobeian]

⁠@@Megaritz Exactly. Making this video to farm clickbait implies that coffin is just saying this dumb shit for views. At this point they’re doing it for the love of the game; or rather, the desire to always sound smarter and more righteous than their “”””peers””””.

[@SSVCloud]

This really just feels like Peter being mad they're not on Nebula.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

Peter was not allowed on Nebula and openly complained about the fact It feels like he either believes some of his BS but he seems to have an ego that makes him want to be internet celebrity status.

[@nathanh9726]

Herrington splimby also explicitly says the reason he doesn't think theres a systemic solution is it would involve handing the power over to youtube which already has a massive issue with people abusing its copyright system (specifically against queer, bipoc, women and left wing creators).

[@emilystewart6175]

Peter Coffin saying "I don't want to say James Somerton is an asshole cos I don't know anything about it" just shows to me how little he's engaged with the topic. I watched the video by Jessie Gender talking about the harassment James gave her, or the Ace Couple talking about how James set his fans on them. James' assholery has been quite well documented by now and Peter isn't bothering to engage with any of it cos they want to be mad at Hbomberguy

[@landon.packrat3281]

I am reminded of the old anti atheist via morality argument. "If you don't believe in god, what is stopping you from going on a murder spree?" The counter argument isn't to accept the premise, but to question it. "What are you talking about? Regular people don't want to go on murder sprees. What does it say about you that you think everyone wants to go on one?" Peter Coffin's videos aren't a condemnation. They are an admission.

[@sluttyMapleSyrup]

Great point, and I got that vibe from his last video on this topic too. Like, "What are you saying, Peter? Is there something you've done you wanna talk about? A consequence you wanna avoid, maybe?"

[@CausingDistress]

So wait, they have a big fucking issue with the hbomb video which clearly shows all the shitty stuff James did and said, yet they don't know anything about the situation? What? They don't know if he 'just didn't credit people'? Like, they've clearly not watched the video. All this whinging over absolutely nothing LOL

[@PlatinumAltaria]

Feigning ignorance is often used by intellectually dishonest people.

[@HellecticMojo]

Cinemasins tier inability to pay attention.

[@zap021]

And Peter Coffin continues to speak just to hear themselves talk.

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

It's not like anyone else wants to.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

If you look at his views He's abiut close to the only one at this point

[@NeoInsomniac]

Peter is doing a lot of posturing for someone who lost their entire god damn mind just because 1 guy called them "a bit of a class reductionist"

[@bunnybreaker]

"This is the type of lefty that makes us look bad." You hit the nail on the head right there. Peter's "commentary" on this whole issue/drama is equally mind numbing and infuriating.

[@ShortForMertchel]

"Be gay do crime" in my mind is "be gay do crime against your oppressors" not "be gay do crime against your fellows"

[@makodolphus7810]

Yep, stabbing each other in the back only causes further harm to a marginalized community, and does nothing to the groups marginalizing us in the first place. On its own, bad enough. When you're practically sabotaging actual queer media like somerton did? That's fucking *vile*.

[@Bori.1776]

It’s funny how none of these channels ever addressed plagiarism to the degree Hbomber guy did but now all of a sudden it’s a problem THE WAY he did it. Interestiiiiing🤡

[@wendyheatherwood]

"If you do listen to me and take me seriously..." Having listened to them quite a bit, I'm pretty sure those are two mutually exclusive actions.

[@mismismism]

Such a weird take. His logic is basically like saying a murderer shouldn't be arrested because the court isn't ending the ability for murder to exist. Like you can't fire an employee that steals from the register because other peope exist that steal too and will exist in the future, therefore because the register and the money exist and it's thus possible to still be stolen by someone else, you are not allowed punish this one person that got caught stealing. And if you arrest one criminal, then people will enjoy it and go seeking other criminals to get arrested. Lol I don't understand how this is the hill he's trying to die on.

[@TMMx]

It sounds like Peter is saying that since the root of the problem is capitalism, we should just let people get away with it until capitalism is abolished.

[@idsbraam]

Guess that is then also why he still has a substack, while people are trying to get substack to get rid of all the open neo-nazis and various cryptofascists.

[@calebharris292]

Capitalism isn't even really the root of plagiarism, it's a lack of respect for others and their work. Harris says as much in the video.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

A lot of online leftists have these takes for multiple things From crime to literal drug addiction

[@sluttyMapleSyrup]

It also sounds like Peter thinks we should just let people get away with plagiarism even after capitalism's abolished - which only makes me wonder what skeletons Peter's afraid of people finding in their closet.

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

​@@mckenzie.latham91Especially US leftists.

[@BATCHARRO]

"Don't complain about things, dismantle Capitalism" is a dumb idea. There's problems in society that existed before capitalism and will exist after it and sometimes you gotta get in there and handle them personally.

[@carolineholland5841]

And I would ask how do we dismantle capitalism *without* complaining about things? Complaining about problems that hurt people often helps start a dialogue and educates. It can help us see the breadth of the problem, when we see a lot of people with the same complaints. Dialogue about the problem can lead to organizing protests and/or strikes. I’m all for taking action, but we have to start with communication in order to have a community.

[@paulsmart4672]

I mean, in principle dismantling capitalism would be great. However that's a project that would in involve a bit more effort and organization than a couple KZbinrs saying "Capitalism Bad"

[@BATCHARRO]

@@paulsmart4672 My problem with it im general is when people are trying to do something good in general like ...asking for higher wages or equality or improving voting systems and some smug asshole is like "lol that's just a bandaid let's end capitalism". Like what do you want, people to break into the government and turn the big lever that says capitalism? There is no just "end capitalism". There's a series of fights to limit the effects of capitalism and a series of fight that chip away at capitalism. At least that's how I see it.

[@BenjaminGlatt]

The scourge that is divorce court strikes again.

[@novidsinthischannel]

It's like Peter somehow knew even less when making the second video than the first. It's so stream of consciousness, all over the place. If someone told me Peter made that without a script, I wouldn't doubt it for a second. *sigh* - I actually liked Peter years ago. How far they've fallen.

[@BenjaminGlatt]

Peter's claims of plagiarism are kinda nebulous.

[@emilystewart6175]

Is that why they didn't link to any direct sources then 😂 cos otherwise we'd figure out they could be spurious

[@seraphonica]

did he even watch Harris's video? I mean I know it's 4+ hours but Harris literally says he (Harris) doesn't have a systemic solution. why frame this as a critique when it's so much easier to frame it as "never fear, I have the solution!" unless... oh, Peter doesn't have a solution either. got it

[@SaturnineCheetah]

I get the feeling that Peter does think that they have a solution, and it's more, "hey, pay attention to me, this is the solution and Hbomb doesn't know what he's talking about!" and then their solution is a simplistic and reductive 'capitalism bad.' Big 'smartest guy in the room' energy.

[@thegmanofEAP]

Someone needs to check Coffin and their videos for PLAGIARISM ASAP

[@Rainbow_Sish_Kabob]

Of all the issues that need to be talked about, the fact that Peter thinks dunking on Harris is best hill to die on baffles me.

[@Megaritz]

I slightly agree with (what seems to be) Coffin’s concern that some of the enthusiasm to go after Somerton is schadenfreude, which is somewhat bad. I also agree we should look at plagiarism systemically, not just in terms of what one guy did. However, their analysis goes awry in many ways, as I complained in my comment on the other video. For one thing, Coffin is ignoring one big way Hbomb’s video may induce some modest systemic change-it may improve the norms of KZbin videos (especially but not exclusively leftwing videos) across the board, encouraging greater scrutiny, more rigorous citational practices, and more accuracy. In any case, Coffin is so inarticulate, rambly, and bad at explaining their own views and arguments, there just isn't much here to engage with. Their allegations of Nebula’s involvement with plagiarism may be important if true. But yeah, Coffin could have cited this and didn’t. Ironically this is Coffin’s failure to engage in practices of citational rigor that are crucial to preventing plagiarism and inaccuracy.

[@samuraibeluga3749]

i think peter should just stick to reading scripts for gameranx.

[@ZandorClegane]

Hahaha I had to check to see if it was him, they sound so similar.

[@Jehanansi]

Does peter coffin think addressing the systemic issues that cause plagiarism will stop people from plagiarizing work?

[@Jehanansi]

Also not to mention it’s extremely obvious that PETER COFFIN DIDNT WATCH THE VIDEO SO WHY TALK ABOUT IT?!!!?

[@inanimatecarbongod]

"If you're directing your ire at individuals, you're not doing anything" ...Well, maybe stop individually targeting Harris, then? Peter is weirdly over-invested in this whole thing. Maybe he'll do a third video explaining why it matters so much to him.

[@Kaylakaze]

"Aren't you self-important" I guess you've never seen any Peter Coffin video before if that surprises you.

[@HellecticMojo]

His entire complaint is that one British guy that's not even the authoritarian sovereign of his state fix global problem because his 4 hour video just wasn't long enough while he himself barely squeezes out 10 min video chasing algorithms like a loser.

[@SRHtheHedgehog]

There is NO way Peter watched hbomberguy's entire video. Harris had more than once where he discussed that plagiarism happens even outside of the motivation of money, stating at one point that people did this crap on young KZbin when money wasn't a factor and the capital to be gained was social. The only other explanation I have for Peter talking like this is that they have some weird hangup personally with James somerton being taken down for some reason, like maybe they themself plagiarize a ton or are salty about how much they're criticized and somehow projected the entire thing onto this situation. I'd guess they just want to feel self important and involved somehow but there's too much genuine vitriol and bitterness.

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

If he's so concerned about the welfare of queer individuals, why isn't he speaking in favor of providing financial help to specific individuals who are victims of the system and in desperate need? Oh, right, because nobody actually cares that much about us to want to do anything like that. We're just objects of discussion to be used for the profit of others.

[@nedzed3663]

Yay, more Peter making a slap ass fool of himself being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian!!

[@n0etic_f0x]

Honestly... they just are bad. They do not know how to form a proper argument. Peter was talking about the law and... that is not what the argument was about. It was about community response. For instance, if James and or Blair just did their job properly nobody would care. He also does this IDPol garbage where James is immune from criticism because gay. I am gay... it does not mean I get to publish "A Song of Ice and Fire" books and put my name on it and just say "UwU I am queer! I am small and dumb Sowwy!" it is very strange.

[@BenjaminGlatt]

​​@@n0etic_f0x no, you'd have to record yourself reading the books while at the same time making it seem like you wrote the stories. Then sure.

[@n0etic_f0x]

@@BenjaminGlatt I also think that I have to misquote a lot of it. I can add Gerald of the Rivera to try to keep people from noticing that I am just stealing from people.

[@richardsonrym]

Peter grabbing the idpol stick in his teeth and shaking it at Hbomb is very funny, it really highlights what a hack and a fraud he is.

[@HellecticMojo]

He made a video saying that he's not a contrarian, which is just a self own of "I've always been this consistently terrible"

[@caseymckenna7111]

Do we think, maybe, the ghouls in his discord are saying “is James Somerton queer” with a bit of their tongue in their cheek, maybe? Perhaps this is meant to be sarcastic? Jesus Christ, Coffin.

[@Flippwn1]

Someone tell Maupin's friend here that they need a pop filter, jesus christ.

[@RancorousSea]

he's plagiarizing bad content creators with his terrible quality and low effort content

[@lorcannagle]

The lack of self-awareness in Peter's video is truly impressive. Like they stop a clip of hBomb and effectively says "no you're wrong", and then goes on to make the point hBomb makes right after the clip ends! They go on about how Somerton - A QUEER CREATOR NO LESS - has been made a baddie and therefore everything he does is bad, while making hBomb (also a queer creator) a baddie and therefore everything he does is bad. They minimise or ignore every single awful thing Somerton does, preferring instead to say "maybe he's done these things", because as soon as they actually acknowledge the things Somerton did they couldn't use Somerton as a prop to attack hBomb. And then of course they end a video where they attack an individual by saying "when you're attacking an individual you're not doing something, it just feels like you're doing something". Good job, Peter.

[@itsnotbrooks]

Honestly, i think it's disgusting to make a video critiquing those who go after those who plagiarize. Doesn't Peter understand there is an economic system in place which pushes Hbomberguy to make these videos about plagiarism? So what the fuck is he doing attacking one person? He needs to go after the goddamn system before he can even start that.

[@PlatinumAltaria]

This is your brain on "material conditions". MLs lose the ability to reason.

[@tomisaacson2762]

It's like he has one dialogue tree that he just cycles through

[@calebharris292]

When you try to boil down high level philosophy into a societal sledgehammer, it seems the nuance gets lost in the process.

[@nathanjasper512]

I like how peter admits he doesnt know anything about James Somerton. Well, there is a four hour video you could watch aboht it. 😂

[@Mokona127]

I am all for systemic changes. Too much is "just suck it up" or "just bootstrap your way out of your misery", a lot of things that I wouldn't wanna argue with elderly relatives, like drug use in a community, riots, weight issues... But dude copying other peoples homework for a quick buck doesn't need "systemic chance". He needs to not do that, and as we see from James vanishing, shaming people into stopping is actually pretty effective. Just because some people will always take it too far, just assuming his "examples" have some validity, doesn't mean that we should let people plagiarise without any consequences forever. Hot take, I know.

[@oddjam]

Yeah this video really baffled me. Coffin couldn't have made himself seem more sus if he tried. These people are so odd

[@Nikodraws149]

I'm confused. Isn't pointing out that individual people are doing a bad thing kind of mandatory to taking the steps further into that conversation into using further action on a larger scale? Don't you have to say "I've noticed that people are doing a thing." In order to acknowledge the thing is being done in the first place? You can't just say. "that guy stole from me but I can't do anything about it because he didn't actually steal from me the system did. We can only stop the system from causing him to steal from me." You have to also address the theft, I'm pretty sure.

[@Ambaaahhh]

I had to come watch this because he popped up in a stream about Vangelina He said that hbomber is making a Plato’s Republic. 💀💀

[@Anghellik9]

Hey Jake, I came across your stuff again for the first time since the TBR days, very cool to see that you turned out incredibly based. With regards to Peter Coffin: Plagiarism would still be an issue even if capitalism were entirely dissolved. Sure, the laws protecting copyright are largely drawn up to serve capital, but stealing other peoples work, and the credit for it, has more than simple monetary value. I'm sorry that HBombs multiple jokes suggesting he knows capital is a major underlying problem were just a tad too subtle for you, Peter.

[@uhu7813]

It's funny how Coffin says "you cannot solve systemic issues by targeting individuals" while they themselves are against police abolition. Calling out someone plagiarising queer authors is a form of community self-defence, Somerton's queerness isn't a factor in that. Focusing on it is a way of deflection, just mudding the waters and signalling you care about a community that was the primary target of Somerton's narcissism.

[@mattmcdonough3282]

I have no idea what coffin's point is. Can we only critique or call out bad actors if we're radically critiquing or altering a system they benefit from?

[@Koribashi]

The way Peter talks about how James is queer or that his queerness has been "revoked" leads me to think that Peter sees queerness as a shield to avoid criticism

[@gayhomosexuallll]

Their whole thing is founded on misinterpreting what H meant when he said "systemically" in that two second clip that this Coffin person has made several videos and a "companion piece" out of lol

[@aprilk141]

Coffin really be making a coffin.

[@restlessoblivion]

Peter Coffin: "criticising queers for plagarism is just as bad as what the right does" Me: I think he doth protest too much. Anybody run any Peter Coffin scripts through Google yet?

[@the_exegete]

If I had to guess what was going through Coffin's broken mind, it would be the couple years he spent making one video after another that was just riffing on The Society of the Spactacle by Debord. And since Coffin didn't actually watch Hbomb's video, he somehow thinks that the plagiarism being complained about is just restating ideas. Which is, of course, not at all what plagiarism is and is certainly not what Hbomb was talking about. So it appears to be very dumb on multiple levels, as usual for ol Pete. What's really happening is that Pietro Casket is jelly. The most jell anyone's ever been, possibly. If society makes it another couple centuries there will be a remake of Amadeus with Hbomb as Mozart and Coffin as Salieri.

[@dinosaysrawr]

Exactly my reaction. This is the sort of plea to mercy people make when they themselves are guilty. Coffin may just be farming clickbait, but they should realize how this argument sounds.

[@andrewollmann304]

@@the_exegeteThey’ve been jelly tor a while.

[@Endless_Spirals]

How does Peter not understand that stealing other people's labor is wrong? Sharing ideas is great and 100% necessary, but even in a communist world you would still attribute your sources so that people can find the original author to read more of their work, or verify the veracity of the information, or just out of respect to the person who originally put in the labor of researching and writing said material. I can't see it as anything other than Peter being jealous of the popularity of Hbomberguy, which is pretty pathetic.

[@n0etic_f0x]

No Peter your video was made to call Harris a baddy. You are as you say very irritated, you don't want people to talk beacuse of their skin color, and you make excuses for people because they are gay. But also Harris is Bi he hits on guys a lot from what I have heard. I just do not understand his point, I found several of the people James plagiarised due to how the algorithm works. It is just a strange take.

[@Tp_hedgelinghog]

Harris last relationship that he's been public about was with another man, Harris is definitely bi.

[@kg4tnp]

He's coping, coping and seething, the truth is scalding and now Peter's maulding.

[@tomisaacson2762]

Poor Peter is desperately fishing for views. All his "arguments" could've been directed towards any video that criticizes an individual. KZbinr: "Hey everyone, this person did something bad!" Peter: "Don't you know criticizing individuals does nothing? 😏 Obviously, they only did [bad thing] because systemic socioeconomic forces incentivize and perpetuate that bad thing." KZbinr: "Let's do something to stop them from doing that bad thing to others!" Peter: "You're doing an individualism! And you call yourself a leftist? 😏" KZbinr: "Thanks to all of you, they can't do the bad thing anymore." Victim of Bad Thing: "Thanks everyone! I'm glad bad thing stopped happening to me." Peter: "You really think you accomplished anything by targeting an individual? Global capitalism is still here 😏. I didn't hear you say 'material conditions' or 'systemic' even once!" Hell, you could imagine a Peter Coffin clone making the exact same video about this Peter Coffin video and all the arguments would equally apply.

[@MsTerkup]

Peter is obviously trying to portray Hbomb as an outsider to the LGBTQ community picking on a marginalized group while not knowing or understanding the full extent of James' plagiarism and how he has hurt other, smaller queer creators and stolen their work for literally every video he's ever done, and completely missing that Harris is openly bisexual, so really it's all within the community. My guess would be wilful ignorance. He claims to have watched Hbomb's video, but his arguments are as if he didn't. If he didn't watch it, then he's just a liar and shouldn't be talking on the issue. If it's not wilful ignorance and he's seen the video he probably needs some lessons on listening comprehension. No matter what way you slice it he's awful.

[@raygedd9693]

Peter says that hbomb is “harming a queer creator” and then goes on to lament that when you are labeled a baddie you are “no longer queer apparently.” That’s EXACTLY what he did with hbomb! Peter had decided hbomb is “the bad guy” and thus no longer part of the “queer community” he wants to defend* *except not, because he’s totally against idpol except when he isn’t.

[@nielsjensen4185]

Peter is seriously salty that no one finds their content worth plagiarising.

[@jennanyx4968]

I guarantee there are more people surprised Coffin is still around and has a discord than there are people who didn't know Sommerton is queer. 😂

[@AxelLeJeff]

Right out the gate with the implication that Mr. Brewis is not a member of the queer community.

[@SpoookiePie]

The problem I see with Peter's mindset here (aside from seeming to think he's the smartest leftist in the room and the ONLY one thinking about systemic issues) is that he's SO focused on fixing long term systemic issues, he's forgotten about immediate harm reduction. It's like getting mad at firefighters for putting out ongoing forest fires instead of fixing climate change, and acting like you're the only one talking about climate change. Like yes, without addressing the bigger issue, it IS like playing whack-a-mole. But those fires do also need to be put out.

[@JohnXuandou]

What's fucking weird about the Benn Jordan tweet he references in this double down, as someone who regularly follows Benn Jordan, he said there was a possible chance that there was an imitation of part of a video he made but he also absolutely didn't care at all and more just thought it was a funny thing to happen, two music focused content creators talking about this specific thing as a launchpad for another thing they were talking about. His use of this one off incident as a sort of gotcha against.... everyone associated with Nebula I guess? Guilt by association? That's a strong argument to make. Anyways, his use of this thing as a gotcha just kinda fundamentally makes no sense since even the accusing party agrees it's a small unimportant incident that doesn't require any additional shaming or punishment. I think what Peter doesn't want to acknowledge in this take is that in the absence of proper systemic prevention of plagiarism, it's on the people who are being stolen from to seek justice or recompense for what was stolen. He brings up how plagiarism is incentivized in our current system but then ignores the other part of our current system where stealing is illegal and it's largely on the individual to fight plagiarism. That's the system we live in. It's insane to argue that there's nothing we can do about the system while arguing about the ways in which our system allows us to fight these problems.

[@JohnXuandou]

After finishing out the rest of the video, it's also INSANE that this guy thinks critique will solve capitalism. As if turning on a fucking camera and saying "capitalism bad" into a microphone just makes billionaires vanish into the aether. "Critiquing an individual doesn't solve problems!" said the man on youtube who has never solved a problem.

[@the_exegete]

Huh, reading this made me think that maybe Coffin's real, unstated belief IS that individuals should never be punished for their actions, or made to suffer for their wrongdoing in any way, since all such issues are systemic and should ONLY be addressed systemically. Which is absurd, but totally fits as the kind of bizarre justification for his intense feelings of divorced grievance this pseud would come up with. Maybe just subconsciously. You know this guy sees his wife leaving him as him being punished for being too correct for her to handle and on his dark reactionary hidden level he believes she shouldn't have been able to do that to him. Peter is the rare example of a motherfucker who spent too much time reading theory.

[@kippiedraws]

I don't think Peter even fucking watched the video. They fundamentally don't understand anything that happened in HBomb's video like they skimmed through the whole thing without actually watching or digesting it. It's fucking ridiculous and embarrassing.

[@Caitlin_TheGreat]

Peter is just trying to ride the wake of this to get whatever views he can. Such a loser, with nothing of value to add. It's all selfishness with Peter.

[@GothBiDemiGirl]

Please talk about the 215 found murdered by police in mississippi. It is horrifying and dytopic

[@philskrzyn]

A bad argument poorly made, it's hard to even see the point Peter is trying to make

[@Megaritz]

I think there sometimes IS a real tendency to deny queerness to some queer people who do shitty things, which is wrong. However, I never saw anyone do this in regard to Somerton in particular. I don't know what Coffin is talking about here.

[@TooDarnEasy]

peter coffin sounds exactly like the cinema sins guy

[@andrewollmann304]

21:49 I used to be subscribed to Peter for a while. Their documentary series is actually called “Very Important Documentaries.”

[@BATCHARRO]

I want to know if I'm getting this right: In the first video theyt was like "who cares it's just copyright why are you defending Man's Law" and in this one they's like "Leave it to the police" do I have this right? Am I misreading things?

[@Jerthanis]

I would say that Peter Coffin probably plagiarized, but if they did, they would absolutely be announcing that plagiarism right now for the attention it would get them.

[@edwinrollins142]

I think Coffin's mad cuz people came after their buddy boy Caleb Maupin

[@Kaileighblue]

The part where he's talking about people in his discord saying they didn't know James Somerton was Queer are telling on themselves because Hbomberguy says it many times in his own video. So they didn't watch it? If people were out here saying "Queer creator; James Somerton" like it's a title Peter'd probably be mad that they were trying to make sure people knew to target the collective of "Queer" instead of an individual Queer.

[@bulletproofblouse]

Peter Coffin is one of a wide range of people that display the folly of being terminally online.

[@Jeremy-hx7zj]

They're genuinely one of the weirdest people I've ever encountered

[@RykerJones28]

Ooft i haven't even thought about Peter Coffin in years and I am not shocked to see how poor their view count is these days. Talking about HBombers video feels like a really desperate attempt to gain some relevancy.

[@dawn4383]

Stop saying "Quote unquote" when you're not quoting, Peter >:L

[@morri254]

i understood what peter meant by addressing things systemically.. im familiar with his content, it makes sense. reducing hbomb to a call out video was needless. plus, and i think kavernacle misunderstood the necessity too (and i liked his video) it was because yes, there are worse crimes than plagiarism and yes, the punishment should be proportional to the crime - somerton didnt just plagiarise. his theft not only stole work from ppl who were then unable to make the same living off of it as he did, but he also sent his fan base after dessenters and essentially chased them off the internet. he subjected his victims to the same backlash he is facing now for simply sticking up for themselves... now the irony is that coffin is against individual punishment, but his continued videos are prolonging somertons individual consequences by keeping his name in our mouths i think what coffin fails to see is that this has been addressed at some sort of grass roots systemic level - he should love that, hes a communist. when h3 went after keems sponsors we all collectively agreed that this was too far and as a youtube community we have normalised leaving the money alone. reporting someone for content theft just because you don't like them has universally been agreed to be a bad move and if you're caught doing it you will lose subscribers... sssniperwolf vs jacksfilms.. look youtube has demonstrated that it will not be doing anything meaningful and even if it did, it would be to the further detriment of fair use. however, as a culture, youtube creators and audiences saw this as a tipping point for crediting work and whilst im sure sssniperwolfs millions of child fans dont care, i think adults have made a shift towards calling out straight up content theft and that normalisation will filter down in a perfect world there wouldnt be capitalism and im sure if anyone could solve that issue it would be hbomberguy, but for the time being, i think moving the coversation of plagiarism and how it hurts content creators to the public sphere and changing how we think about creators we follow and how their actions stack up is a good move. and arguably, despite the need for harsh examples, this has been addressed as a collective. grass roots movements influence systemic issues all the time... i dont know how we were going to solve it to coffins satisfaction without smashing capitalism but its a start somertons mental health is important and i hope he is taking the time he needs to get perspective. from his apology i see a mostly immature guy who still struggles to understand exactly where the issue lies.. filip miucin already did a reddit ama last year.. its sad that ppl are posting bs on his wedding photos but i think you can see that one can effectviely learn your lesson and move on with your life. illuminati continues to post unabated and nothing hurts internet historian. i think somertons whole identity was wrapped up in being the turtleneck guy and letting go of that will be hard, but his fans were pretty hateful towards his victims

[@PlatinumAltaria]

The MLs reacting to the video negatively are, at best, just chasing attention. For them leftism is not about making the world a better place, it's about getting more members in their weird cult. Best to just ignore them.

[@MrHodoAstartes]

Peter Coffin placing themselves juuuuust far enough out of privileged white guy to avoid being called out as such. Priorities right here.

[@Southboundpachyderm]

Adam Neely is a music creator/educator and I'm 100% certain Adam agrees with Hbomber more than he'd agree with this shit from grifter peter coffin.

[@capheind]

Also, it looks like He is on Nebula, so I'm not entirely sure why he'd be in a fight with it...

[@fiercerodent]

I wonder what accusations he's talking about though? I follow Neely and haven't seen or heard anything. That doesn't mean nothing happened but was it a big, noteworthy thing? Edit: Nvm, I found it on his twitter. it seems benign and I don't see how it's connected to Somerton except that people probably have been more vigilant about plagiarism. I don't see that this even had actual consequences for Neely.

[@gehinkun]

"To feel things is a human response", Peter said, feeling deeply left out of all the attention that pesky scoundrel Harris B Guy was bathing in.

[@chefnerd]

Peter Coffin is SO insufferable it hurts.

[@captain_legend7551]

I just realized who Coffin's voice sounds just like, in cadence, snark, and accent is Glenn Beck. Although, now that I think about it more, Peter Coffin just has a voice of a conservative news host or AM radio spokesperson has. Not sure if it means anything but there it is. 😅

[@thomaslance5428]

Coffin DEFINITELY sounds like Falcon--just an animated bird with a voice--from Gameranx!

[@grahamstoner]

I need to know, he's Falcon?

[@michaelcarrig627]

The idea that any of this is said in the name of "socialism" and "leftism" just shows how under read and half-baked our online discourse has gotten. Marx makes a famous proclamation in Capital I about ideas as property, arguing that ideas do not come out of the individual readymade; rather they are born our of community, i.e. a scientist studies for years with others in their field, works with other researchers, and then produces the theory of gravitation, the internal combustion engine, or the cure for a disease. These ideas should not be turned into property and should instead be freely accessible to the community. But any socialist must recognize that we live in an entirely different form of Capital. As Marx also said in his last writings, once we become overseers to a completely automated system the commodity form loses its applicability. And I think this is true in the case of virtual content (in many cases). Individuals have become brands, just as by the law corporations have become individuals. Therefore it is possible for the individual to exploit labor in the same way that a corporation does for the benefit of whatever system (always controlled by a corporation) that they use. Intellectual property does not mean the same thing as what Marx described and we should recognize that the value of it (as a commodity) and as an idea are separate. The point of recognizing plagiarists is not simply to compensate those who were stolen from, though that is necessary since people live off of their ideas. The point is actually to show who is giving what to the community so that more people can learn. Someone like the guy who is the main character of Hbomb's video (sorry, I don't know his name) cuts off our ability to know who is producing the ideas that resonate with us, therefore preventing the expansion of an intellectual (and political) community. Doing the work of putting things into your own words and referencing or quoting those you took ideas from is the bare minimum of communal intellectual labor. And turning this into some culture war bullshit completely misses the point.

[@dinosaysrawr]

This sounds like an elaborate and calculated rationalization that just makes Peter Coffin sound like they're hiding even bigger and sussier skeletons in their closet than James Somerton, which was probably not their intention. Also, isn't Illuminaughtii queer as well?

[@KristofskiKabuki]

100% Coffin just saw that no one was criticising HBomb's video or defending Somerton and saw it as a gap in the market

[@vanniej]

i dont know if its the quality of their upload or their mic but Peter's voice sounds ai generated in this one

[@djmcpingu]

You could say Peter really "capitalised" from that video.

[@Kligor2]

I can’t believe I used to watch this guy (Peter)

[@grahamstoner]

Never heard of Peter Coffin prior to the last video but they're Falcon from Gameranx, right?!

[@thekavestation]

if getting cancelled means you can't be queer anymore then explain jeffree star

[@Pizzarugi]

"Breadtube is mad" Bro is still upset over their boy Caleb getting wrecked by Vaush in that debate, aren't they?

[@VeinyWombat]

Main character syndrome

[@sophitiaofhyrule]

Interesting how Peter complains about people erasing James' queerness, as if James himself hasn't constantly erased other queer people's identities. Ffs James doesn't even think women can be queer

[@mrheisenberg83]

Peter used to have some good takes but over the years they have fallen into insanity and it is not fun to watch. Their brain just imploded one day.