Actually making THAT chess cheat device

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Mike Boyd

Mike Boyd

Жыл бұрын

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Amidst the cheating controversy that, at the time of publishing, is still unfolding in the chess world between Hans Niemann, Magnus Carlsen and chess.com, I thought I'd try and see if "that" cheat device is actually possible. How easy is it to make? Can it actually be used to defeat high level players? Can I, a programming and electronics n00b make one? Let's find out.
Thanks to Michael Groves for being a good sport and playing so well against Stockfish. He has his own drone company. Check it out here: www.broadwingmedia.co.uk/
I've uploaded my code here:
github.com/MikeBoydCode/Chess...
The original Python programme which I then edited for this project:
github.com/fsmosca/Python-Eas...
Game 1 (Device OFF, Mike Boyd as white):
1. d4 g6 2. Nf3 Bg7 3. g3 Nf6 4. c3 O-O 5. e3 c5 6. Bd3 d6 7. O-O Bg4 8. Nbd2
Nc6 9. h3 Bxh3 10. Re1 Bg4 11. b4 cxb4 12. cxb4 Nxb4 13. Qb3 Nxd3 14. Qxd3 Qa5
15. Nh2 Be6 16. e4 Rfc8 17. d5 Nxd5 18. exd5 Bf5 19. Qe3 Bxa1 20. Qxe7 Qxd5
21. Nb3 Bh3 22. f3 Be5 23. Ng4 Bxg4 24. fxg4 Re8 25. Qd7 Bd4+ 26. Be3 Bxe3+
27. Kf1 Qf3# *
Game 2 (Device ON, Mike Boyd as white):
1. d4 { book } 1... c5 2. Nf3 { book } 2... cxd4 3. Nxd4 { book } 3... Nf6 4. c4 { book } 4... e5 5. Nb5 { book } 5... d6 6. Bg5 Be7 7. Bxf6 gxf6 8. N5c3 Be6 9. Nd5 Nd7 10. e3 f5 11. Be2 Nf6 12. Nbc3 Rg8 13. O-O Kf8 14. b3 Rc8 15. Rc1 a6 16. Nxf6 Bxf6 17. Nd5 Be7 18. Qd2 Rg6 19. g3 Bg5 20. Rfd1 Kg7 21. Bh5 Rh6 22. Bf3 Bd7 23. Bg2 Bc6 24. Qc2 Bd7 25. f4 Bf6 26. Nxf6 Qxf6 27. Bxb7 Rc7 28. Bf3 Qe7 29. Rd2 Rg6 30. Rcd1 exf4 31. exf4 Qe3+ 32. Rf2 Kf8 33. Qd3 Qc5 34. Qc3 Kg8 35. Rd5 Qb6 36. Qd4 Qb4 37. Kg2 Qa3 38. Qd2 Rb7 39. Ra5 Qb4 40. Rxa6 d5 41. Qxb4 Rxb4 42. Rxg6+ hxg6 43. Bxd5 Kf8 44. Rd2 Ke7 45. Kf2 Rb8 46. Bf3 Rh8 47. Ke3 Ke6 48. Kd4 Kd6 49. b4 Kc7 50. Kc5 Re8 51. b5 Bc8 52. Bc6 1-0
Video edited by @Kim_Norrie (Kim Boyd)

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@MikeBoyd
@MikeBoyd Жыл бұрын
Putting this comment here for discussion: Do you think Hans cheated over the board? If so... how? Do you think the way the media and the chess community has handled this is fair?
@rjfaber1991
@rjfaber1991 Жыл бұрын
I just think that if you are going to be involved in a cheating scandal, whether guilty or not, you should probably work on your facial expressions and interview techniques to come off as slightly less sus...
@RinInABin
@RinInABin Жыл бұрын
Magnus was definitely a bit of a diva about it, cheating or no Big fan of the man but resigning after move 2 was kind of uncalled for
@john_voske
@john_voske Жыл бұрын
It's just... Watching him in other matches playing strong but far from perfect, it's just a really tough buy. His match against Hans was absolutely perfect.
@philurbaniak1811
@philurbaniak1811 Жыл бұрын
Carlsen cheated by using his meta knowledge of Niemann's cheating to intentionally throw the game 🤷🏼‍♀️
@MikeBoyd
@MikeBoyd Жыл бұрын
I also think this has contributed to the media turning against him. Which is a shame as he is a chess player, not an actor.
@meestyouyouestme3753
@meestyouyouestme3753 Жыл бұрын
“It was an honor losing to you.” “Please, the pleasure was all mine.”
@far2go375
@far2go375 Жыл бұрын
Up you go
@Weegeethegod69
@Weegeethegod69 Жыл бұрын
@@Thatwasepic34 bot
@wind_traveler
@wind_traveler Жыл бұрын
Lmao
@malegria9641
@malegria9641 Жыл бұрын
I’m getting the holy water
@TommyTheCow13
@TommyTheCow13 Жыл бұрын
@@malegria9641 don't forget the holy hand grenade
@jimphilidor9031
@jimphilidor9031 Жыл бұрын
I think the most logical solution would be that each competitor uses a standardized big buttplug that prevents them from inserting any unofficial buttplugs in their bumbums. This would level out the playing field tremendously.
@auliamate
@auliamate Жыл бұрын
lmfaoo?????
@xleplayVA
@xleplayVA Жыл бұрын
Or: mandatory mid-game anal inspections, public tsa style.
@IAmGodHimself777
@IAmGodHimself777 Жыл бұрын
@@auliamate what?
@josephjoestar953
@josephjoestar953 Жыл бұрын
There also needs to be a full-body strip search to make sure the standardized big buttplug is there.
@kevinrawding6730
@kevinrawding6730 Жыл бұрын
😂 fucking genius
@davidstojcevski4810
@davidstojcevski4810 Жыл бұрын
I found this exact cheating chess device in my moms bedroom the other day. I still can't believe she's a cheater
@Tailspin80
@Tailspin80 Жыл бұрын
More cougar than cheetah.
@kingo5940
@kingo5940 Жыл бұрын
@@Tailspin80 get out
@TuristaArcsi
@TuristaArcsi Жыл бұрын
@@Tailspin80 loool😅😂
@CheshireCad
@CheshireCad 11 ай бұрын
No, no, don't be silly. That's just a sex toy. But the one your *dad* has is a cheating device. That's why it's the size of a soda can.
@Lightninglord12
@Lightninglord12 10 ай бұрын
I don't think that's what it's for my guy
@max_hairloss
@max_hairloss Жыл бұрын
Finally, SOMEONE was brave enough to show us how its done
@tomchandler5907
@tomchandler5907 Жыл бұрын
not rlly - he just stuck it to his leg
@sameer209
@sameer209 Жыл бұрын
Not brave enough to put it in 🤣
@ColonelSandersLite
@ColonelSandersLite Жыл бұрын
@@sameer209 That's kind of a core problem with the general idea. You would have to have one hell of a poker face for this to work.
@sameer209
@sameer209 Жыл бұрын
@@ColonelSandersLite not if you're gay enough
@CrippleStick12
@CrippleStick12 Жыл бұрын
I Did A Thing already did this, Mike just straight up copied his video.
@penedrador
@penedrador Жыл бұрын
Winning that game of chess must have been a pain in the ass
@warau.exe2
@warau.exe2 Жыл бұрын
Lmao, underrated comment
@Yukki64_
@Yukki64_ Жыл бұрын
lmao
@yeetyeet7070
@yeetyeet7070 Жыл бұрын
it's probably been a pleasure
@zoikos2463
@zoikos2463 Жыл бұрын
Same.
@lykaeon8082
@lykaeon8082 Жыл бұрын
And then you lose that game because stockfish got outplayed
@enormhi
@enormhi Жыл бұрын
Okay, but we need a volunteer to REALLY test the device in the intended place.
@lewissmith5759
@lewissmith5759 Жыл бұрын
I volunteer as tribute
@saigonrider
@saigonrider Жыл бұрын
reddit would be a nice place to find them
@TheOriginalIBT
@TheOriginalIBT Жыл бұрын
@@lewissmith5759 me too, wanna duel for the opportunity
@texillaa
@texillaa Жыл бұрын
@@TheOriginalIBT Perhaps you two could sword fight.. if you know what i mean
@TheOriginalIBT
@TheOriginalIBT Жыл бұрын
@@texillaa i was thinking about a duel where our piss streams would meet and see whose is stronger, kind of like voldemort and harry potter in the movies
@juke9674
@juke9674 Жыл бұрын
I think having superglue directly interacting with your butt chemistry is a terrible idea. Its like a vodka tampon but worse
@sleepysera
@sleepysera Жыл бұрын
Can't you just put a condom on it?
@quinnobi42
@quinnobi42 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. When I saw he had just cut one in half instead of making a mold of it properly, I was concerned. I was more concerned when he showed he had used super glue to put it back together. Thankfully he didn't actually 'use' it. It makes the most sense to me that if you actually wanted to make one of those to use, you would want to create a mold and make a custom silicone piece that the electronics fit nicely into, or are otherwise just molded straight into.
@paulthomas8262
@paulthomas8262 Жыл бұрын
Interesting fact super glue was developed to stick skin together. There is still the medical version of CA used to this day by doctors and surgeons. Still not recommended for *that* area.
@paulthomas8262
@paulthomas8262 Жыл бұрын
@@quinnobi42 make sure you use medical grade silicone ;)
@Gustoberg
@Gustoberg Жыл бұрын
@@paulthomas8262 does it glue your ass together?
@lottafandoms
@lottafandoms Жыл бұрын
I will refuse to believe ANY of the devices results until someone actually puts it in it's INTENDED SPOT
@MrCh0o
@MrCh0o Жыл бұрын
@@mildlyinvested2992 I'm sorry, my version uses a 1.5m Bad Dragon dildo as a base, would that be a problem?
@mildlyinvested2992
@mildlyinvested2992 Жыл бұрын
@@MrCh0o damn, you know about bad dragon? Mike Boyd's got some freak-a-leaks in his community, lol.
@heretichazel
@heretichazel Жыл бұрын
@@mildlyinvested2992 to be fair I think just knowing about their existence isn't too uncommon, it's actually owning their products that counts -totally not one of those people, nope-
@mildlyinvested2992
@mildlyinvested2992 Жыл бұрын
@@heretichazel I wanna be one of those people, low-key. Sounds like fun, from what I've heard. -Which one do you have-
@auliamate
@auliamate Жыл бұрын
@@mildlyinvested2992 LMFAO
@InformatrIIcks
@InformatrIIcks Жыл бұрын
The article that first mentioned "vibrating anal beads" also mentioned "vibrating shoe sole" as a cheating method... Which is simpler to make and less "intrusive" if i might say so. But the internet completely forgot about that other suggestion and went crazy for the anal beads hypothesis 😂
@chrisvighagen
@chrisvighagen Жыл бұрын
yeah but here's why that's not as good of a way to cheat. Just ask everyone to play shoeless. Buttplug means you gotta get more invasive in your search. Im not even sure you would detect it with a metal detector if you make your own flexboards and mould it yourself. I'd put the on off button as an smd button in the nose of the plug. with nothing metallic being outside the body, would it be picked up by a metall detector? I dont know.
@InformatrIIcks
@InformatrIIcks Жыл бұрын
@@chrisvighagen the issue with cheating in chess doesn't really have to do with how "detectable" the cheating device is. The real problem is livestreaming it, which allows a friend to plot in the AI every move. You could make an underskin chip made entirely of plastic, if there's a 15min delay in the Livestream it's completely useless. A shoe was more likely used. More space, less intrusive, no weird walk, no moaning during play ... A vibrating buttplug is funny but filled with disadvantages compared to any other vibrating apparatus ... As was clearly demonstrated in this video by just taping it to a leg
@aozzya1563
@aozzya1563 Жыл бұрын
@@InformatrIIcks what if you had a way of inputting the moves to the beads? Like you clench your ass in a pattern and it sends that move to the computer which then tells you what to do. Or maybe even have the computer inside the beads so it doesn’t have to send any information
@chrisvighagen
@chrisvighagen Жыл бұрын
@@InformatrIIcks I agree. Could also possiblybe in a belt. a letrher belt and a custom flexboard with a small actuater, linear or rotary could easily be made if you had the investment in to. Might be a couple of thousand usd, but the pay off would be huge if undetected.
@InformatrIIcks
@InformatrIIcks Жыл бұрын
@@aozzya1563 well i think that tapping your foot or pressing a button with your toe would be just as efficient and much less likely to be detected 😂
@ChrisRamsay52
@ChrisRamsay52 Жыл бұрын
Part of me believed you were going to insert the "Thing"
@meme-hj5rs
@meme-hj5rs Жыл бұрын
wondering what part of you was believing that
@patstaysuckafreeboss8006
@patstaysuckafreeboss8006 Жыл бұрын
That’s how you make ‘em disappear huh, Chris?
@Kiiiyoshiii
@Kiiiyoshiii Жыл бұрын
We all wanted to believe it.
@gamer9smith
@gamer9smith Жыл бұрын
@@Kiiiyoshiii what do you mean by that
@ZEbelgiumfreak
@ZEbelgiumfreak Жыл бұрын
Deep down, I knew he wouldn't.
@qchtohere8636
@qchtohere8636 Жыл бұрын
Referees in a few years: "Ok guys, this is an officially sanctioned tournament. You know what that means." **Fits glove**
@sakuranatsume6347
@sakuranatsume6347 Жыл бұрын
Underrated
@TheRealScooterGuy
@TheRealScooterGuy Жыл бұрын
If the stakes are high enough, someone could have a device surgically implanted.
@felix.mp3639
@felix.mp3639 10 ай бұрын
@@TheRealScooterGuyalright guys *gets scalpel*
@UnicaLuce
@UnicaLuce 10 ай бұрын
@@felix.mp3639 *pulls out xray machine* well guys, it's not gonna be any more different than your normal airport security check, but this time you're going to be the luggage
@milodavis1
@milodavis1 Жыл бұрын
This would have been great for an Adam and Eve sponsorship
@visitorccb968
@visitorccb968 10 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@nastyasfrick
@nastyasfrick 9 ай бұрын
Imagine Hans Niemann streams sponsored by bad dragon lmao
@user-A54AX
@user-A54AX 7 ай бұрын
😂
@JustIsold
@JustIsold Жыл бұрын
I hope Mike realises this but I just have to say for anyone else trying this, if you've cut the silicone it's not body safe any more so please do not put it in any body cavities.
@Oretal
@Oretal Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the heads up
@ashedaces
@ashedaces Жыл бұрын
thanks bro i’ll keep that in mind when making my own 👍
@thenachothief
@thenachothief Жыл бұрын
@zsazsa m. 🤨
@riceandcheese1463
@riceandcheese1463 Жыл бұрын
Andddddd there goes my weekend plans
@rickyorgason2448
@rickyorgason2448 Жыл бұрын
You might be surprised by how many things end up in body cavities that aren't body safe o_o
@bobbobson2291
@bobbobson2291 Жыл бұрын
Garry Chess, inventor of chess, would be so proud
@hypercane2023
@hypercane2023 Жыл бұрын
True
@KevinOMalleyisonlysmallreally
@KevinOMalleyisonlysmallreally Жыл бұрын
And I'm sure that his spouse and muse Mary Chess would be delighted
@breakinglegsandbreakinghea3167
@breakinglegsandbreakinghea3167 Жыл бұрын
The name Jonathan followed by almost any brand or game name somehow works. Jonathan Chess, Jonathan Gucci, Jonathan Ford, etc.
@Bzorlan
@Bzorlan Жыл бұрын
Garry chess is the modded version with the physics gun and chess:source assets
@domc3743
@domc3743 Жыл бұрын
pure anarchy
@nicolasgimenezo.0503
@nicolasgimenezo.0503 Жыл бұрын
Omg i want "that" chess cheat device so bad.... For scientific purposes of course.
@Mr_MacMiller
@Mr_MacMiller Жыл бұрын
Welp, a rule34 comment somehow got into KZbin
@krahser6914
@krahser6914 Жыл бұрын
It’s not safe to use cause the silicone is punctured. So basically don’t stick it up your a-
@AroRalseiWithADoubleSpace
@AroRalseiWithADoubleSpace Жыл бұрын
Sure… “scientific purposes”…
@f.p.2463
@f.p.2463 Жыл бұрын
@@AroRalseiWithADoubleSpace Of course, what other purpose will it serve
@burushifudara
@burushifudara Жыл бұрын
@@krahser6914 Okay, I know that is a good reason I just wanna know *why* exactly
@vorobuh_the_1
@vorobuh_the_1 Жыл бұрын
When he said “more than a thousand years has gone, relatively speaking, without drama, until now. Here’s a recap” i thought man was about to recap all of chess history
@nikk-named
@nikk-named Жыл бұрын
I'd have been there for that, actually
@ghughus
@ghughus Жыл бұрын
This video has some serious Internet Historian vibes and I'm all for it.
@MikeBoyd
@MikeBoyd Жыл бұрын
Huge inspiration!
@Epic501
@Epic501 Жыл бұрын
Chess. What IS chess?
@yawnick408
@yawnick408 Жыл бұрын
Is THIS a chess?
@justsomeguy8982
@justsomeguy8982 Жыл бұрын
Why is CHESS?
@Gr0nal
@Gr0nal Жыл бұрын
I did a thing, too
@Freakinawesome333
@Freakinawesome333 Жыл бұрын
5:38 I'd like to imagine that this is all true, and there was a moment during production of the... "device" when Hans was told, to his horror, "We're gonna need a bigger butt plug."
@samwellick1706
@samwellick1706 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@oasntet
@oasntet Жыл бұрын
Presumably the 'production' device wouldn't have a full arduino dev board, just the microcontroller, antenna and mosfet are needed. And probably a much smaller battery, after having moved even more of the work off the device and into the external cheat engines.
@fan9775
@fan9775 Жыл бұрын
Horror?
@Freakinawesome333
@Freakinawesome333 Жыл бұрын
@@fan9775 I guess it could have been delight, who knows? 😏
@ubermenschmexa
@ubermenschmexa Жыл бұрын
While the buttplug idea is fun to think about, I choose to believe the same principle was applied in a less intrusive and more comfortable way, such as in a shoe insole or in a device taped to a leg lol
@cly_
@cly_ Жыл бұрын
get it surgically implanted under a fake skin graft for the ultimate cheating potential
@ironicdivinemandatestan4262
@ironicdivinemandatestan4262 Жыл бұрын
They already caught a chess grandmaster named Borislav Ivanov cheating by putting a vibrating device in his shoe, so that plan is a no-go.
@ubermenschmexa
@ubermenschmexa Жыл бұрын
@@ironicdivinemandatestan4262 Wasn't aware of that
@fknfoolish
@fknfoolish Жыл бұрын
I think a shoe insole in an buttholemwould hurt more
@cosmix_toast
@cosmix_toast Жыл бұрын
but its funnier that way
@VortexKiller2
@VortexKiller2 Жыл бұрын
If he moves his knight to G-4, does that mean he has successfully found the G Spot?
@the_parkourguy2879
@the_parkourguy2879 Жыл бұрын
underrated comment tbh
@Savajam
@Savajam Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Dream-Academy
@Dream-Academy 5 ай бұрын
No G6 and later G9 pushes the right bottom!
@rosscoghlan
@rosscoghlan Жыл бұрын
I like this new style Mike. Investigative journalism meets challenge video.
@skultikofficial
@skultikofficial Жыл бұрын
These kinds of videos are just kings of youtube, so a good move from him
@intruder9127
@intruder9127 Жыл бұрын
@modest mouse colored person good punishment
@occamshalberd2313
@occamshalberd2313 Жыл бұрын
Mike has acquired skills in engineering, chess, programming, and pleasing his wife and found the perfect way to combine the four.
@vaaaali
@vaaaali Жыл бұрын
That's four mate
@vignetter4802
@vignetter4802 Жыл бұрын
you mean four
@occamshalberd2313
@occamshalberd2313 Жыл бұрын
@@vignetter4802 I threw in pleasing his wife last second and forgot to update the count. Oof.
@mynameissang
@mynameissang Жыл бұрын
@@occamshalberd2313 should have just played it off bro, I thought THAT was the joke lol
@erlendbanken6517
@erlendbanken6517 Жыл бұрын
@@mynameissang how is that a joke?
@Uatemydoodle
@Uatemydoodle Жыл бұрын
I can just imagine Magnus thinking: Why the fuck are my knees wet?
@rinreborn7364
@rinreborn7364 Жыл бұрын
Why wet? Tf
@realzeno_
@realzeno_ Жыл бұрын
@@rinreborn7364 cum there
@mickeyp6639
@mickeyp6639 Жыл бұрын
@@rinreborn7364 It was a shit joke about hans cumming
@ariawatson_
@ariawatson_ Жыл бұрын
@@rinreborn7364 innocent soul
@llawliet7434
@llawliet7434 Жыл бұрын
​​@@rinreborn7364 try to think about it again, please respond if you discovered it.
@oliversmeeton
@oliversmeeton Жыл бұрын
Just make chess players go through security checks before the match then play the actual match inside a opaque Faraday cage with only the players and a camera inside
@qchtohere8636
@qchtohere8636 Жыл бұрын
Next up: Cheater figures way to report moves to custom Pi Pico build using sphincter. Drama ensues.
@oliversmeeton
@oliversmeeton Жыл бұрын
@@qchtohere8636 In an attempt to bypass the Faraday cage a cheater has used a pi zero for local processing and was resultantly burned by the SoC.
@allisonsomething3397
@allisonsomething3397 Жыл бұрын
if they're inside a faraday cage, how would the camera work?
@seowonmin223
@seowonmin223 Жыл бұрын
@@allisonsomething3397 a faraday cage would block incoming and outgoing signals, not the actual electronics inside, i believe
@oliversmeeton
@oliversmeeton Жыл бұрын
@@seowonmin223 yep the camera could still record to sd or even output via a cable, the Faraday cage only blocks wireless signal/communication entering or leaving
@cheezyandgreasy
@cheezyandgreasy Жыл бұрын
Magnus said when playing his own AI “its like competing against an idiot genius.” That’s why it will always be suspicious playing AI generated moves, as the chess player said you’re “hanging on by a thread” while also making impossibly solid moves
@banoodel5121
@banoodel5121 Жыл бұрын
Yeah right. Also, the AI will generate the scenario based on the opponents moves, so it doesn‘t have a plan, where as a human player, as Michael said, has a plan (for the endgame for example)
@Goldap1000
@Goldap1000 Жыл бұрын
"but" program could help you by suggesting moves instead of just giving best answer.
@undeniablySomeGuy
@undeniablySomeGuy Жыл бұрын
that's why computer evals can be so strange sometimes. The eval will go 10 in white's favor, but that's only because it's evaluating based on the one move that completely saves your position, but if you miss that one move (or even like a 5 move sequence) then you're totally losing
@annaclarafenyo8185
@annaclarafenyo8185 Жыл бұрын
Magnus was talking about pre-neural-net dee 1990s style engines, which had no long-term strategic ideas of their own, but simply created genius 20-move tactics to wriggle out of any situation. It's like playing a strategic idiot who beats you every time. Magnus DOESN'T SAY THAT anymore, because the chess engines underwent a revolution with Deep Mind and neural nets, and started playing strategically about 4 years ago. Since then, Magnus has been the quickest to adapt the new ideas coming from the neural nets, and he publicly admires the playing of neural net engines.
@cheezyandgreasy
@cheezyandgreasy Жыл бұрын
@@annaclarafenyo8185 Idk about 1990s engines…He was speaking about playing his own “Play Magnus” app which came out in the last 5 years I think.
@bigheadrhino
@bigheadrhino Жыл бұрын
Hikaru Nakamura said that at the Grandmaster level it would only take a single buzz at a critical position. Just the awareness that a game changing move exists on that turn would be enough and a player at that level would be able to find it.
@quibble9003
@quibble9003 Жыл бұрын
hikaru knows top level chess is more nuanced than that. he's just mad abt the lawsuit.
@RyanC232
@RyanC232 Жыл бұрын
Knowing that you need to spend time to find a tactic would be enough for a 1300. Imagine a super GM
@jonassanoj3045
@jonassanoj3045 Жыл бұрын
@@quibble9003 even if he's wrong, this video shows that it's possible in theory. PS.: emphasis on "theory", given that there is zero evidence of over-the-board cheating by niemann.
@quibble9003
@quibble9003 Жыл бұрын
@@jonassanoj3045 have i ever said otb cheating was impossible?
@arthurdequeiroz8393
@arthurdequeiroz8393 Жыл бұрын
@@quibble9003 he said that multiple times before the lawsuit you goober lmao And to clarify he didn't say he would win every game with that, it would just be a huge advantage
@tigertoxins584
@tigertoxins584 Жыл бұрын
My grandmother grew up in Uzbekistan in the soviet era, and all they had to do way out in the sticks was work and play chess, so everyone in her family was a pro, including her. She's a selfish and selfless woman to a fault who loved hiding behind her work, as woman were forced into that role there, but there was one thing that showed her true colors, which was chess. She put an absurd amount of pride on chess. I always lost to her as a child and every single time it was painful, until I started to learn how to play chess. I matched her, and eventually beat her. We began playing more often and I only got better. Eventually, she got to experience the pure rage and grief that comes with properly losing a chess match and she started to cheat, very simply at first. Moving pieces to where they couldn't go, like a knight harmlessly being placed in the wrong path that put a fork between two good pieces, or moving her own pieces ever so slightly. It came to a point where I was remembering every single piece on the board and calling her out every time she cheated. It was funny at first, but I lost my shit when she pulled out her final strat, a truly unbeatable cheating technique if your opponent doesn't remember the board. She pretended to knock some pieces over, and of course she was the one to put them back, closer to my side of the board, or just somewhere else where she benefited. I stopped playing chess with her after that.
@LeafBro_
@LeafBro_ Жыл бұрын
So it was… online? Sorry i read eveything but i think I missed something😅
@LeafBro_
@LeafBro_ Жыл бұрын
If she did play otb she most likely lost the first few games but got better and showed her true self after that
@tigertoxins584
@tigertoxins584 Жыл бұрын
@@LeafBro_ its otb on a chess board I made, she's a sore loser
@Ten_Thousand_Locusts
@Ten_Thousand_Locusts Жыл бұрын
Selfish and selfless are two absolute opposites, so how can she be both?
@CountingStars333
@CountingStars333 Жыл бұрын
@@Ten_Thousand_Locusts Probably some language barrier or error
@canadiangopnik7007
@canadiangopnik7007 Жыл бұрын
so is every chess tournament going to require a full cavity search from now on?
@windwaker0rules
@windwaker0rules Жыл бұрын
i think they will just start requiring tight shorts and singlets
@TheBenjaman
@TheBenjaman Жыл бұрын
From now on they will be playing chess in the nude, sitting on glass chairs, with a camera underneath it.
@you.findbitches6054
@you.findbitches6054 Жыл бұрын
@@TheBenjaman imagine you get caught watching a replay lmao.
@Tailspin80
@Tailspin80 Жыл бұрын
@@you.findbitches6054 This is bad enough. Now, how do I edit my KZbin history?
@Kahhru
@Kahhru 10 ай бұрын
Frequency signal jammers would be one solution. Then have them play inside an opaque box to prevent any visual input from the outside.
@frequensea9434
@frequensea9434 Жыл бұрын
“My chess speaks for itself” while he quickly turtle walks to the shitter
@WestonNey
@WestonNey Жыл бұрын
We all know why 😅
@BriefOutreach
@BriefOutreach Жыл бұрын
that vibrating chess spoke pretty well
@zayd162
@zayd162 Жыл бұрын
I love how semi serious he is while making a sex toy into a cheating device.
@BarackObamaJedi
@BarackObamaJedi Жыл бұрын
Semi lol
@marielcarey4288
@marielcarey4288 Жыл бұрын
I think it's more completely serious since he actually made THAT device
@mariokarter13
@mariokarter13 Жыл бұрын
If you're "trained," using beads is even faster because *where* it vibrates can give you even more information.
@zayd162
@zayd162 Жыл бұрын
@@mariokarter13 LOL sounds like you tested that bro, come on man it's NNN you can't be doin that
@Chico_Julio
@Chico_Julio Жыл бұрын
Well on high level chess tournaments, there's money involved. Not a small quantity
@Trashley652
@Trashley652 Жыл бұрын
If that's actually how he cheated, he deserves to get away with it
@dxdxdxdxdxd7125
@dxdxdxdxdxd7125 Жыл бұрын
and on the next tournament there will be buzzing heard from all the corners
@SneakyMango
@SneakyMango Жыл бұрын
As much as I disagree, I still gotta give this comment a like 💀
@samoak123
@samoak123 11 ай бұрын
I'd do it at the casino
@SuperDZ555
@SuperDZ555 Жыл бұрын
Obviously the best strategy is to eat the pieces while nobody is looking
@Nerdforge
@Nerdforge Жыл бұрын
10/10 storytelling! We have been waiting eagerly for this one, and it exceeded our expectations! 😂
@ghosthunter0950
@ghosthunter0950 Жыл бұрын
idk why I didn't expect you guys here. makes me happy when so many communities that I follow like chess, art & cosplay and more random things like Mike Boyd suddenly become involved with each other.
@adrijabhattacharyya
@adrijabhattacharyya Жыл бұрын
Reading the nerdforge comment here was a treat ❤❤🤟🤟
@shihabsinha5497
@shihabsinha5497 Жыл бұрын
@@ghosthunter0950 Nerdforge are Norwegian just supporting Magnus Carlson, I reckon
@davidbakke9293
@davidbakke9293 Жыл бұрын
Hey nerd forge!
@tong8619
@tong8619 Жыл бұрын
Hey what you doing here :O I love your crafting videos so much!
@Younex
@Younex Жыл бұрын
How to be a *Chess GM* Before 2022 : *wide* knowledge of Openings, Middle and End games 🧠 After 2022 : *wide* Ass Hole! 🕳️
@MasoHQlC5GW5btFZ
@MasoHQlC5GW5btFZ Жыл бұрын
LMAO
@aXelRedfield
@aXelRedfield Жыл бұрын
wide openings
@_egghead
@_egghead Жыл бұрын
@@aXelRedfield 😆
@ChefofWar33
@ChefofWar33 Жыл бұрын
Tbf. There is another less exciting theory that he used an emplacement within his shoes. Just as sensitive, but far less intrusive, and far easier to hide when walking and standing.
@JamesTDG
@JamesTDG Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I wanna figure out every single possible way to cheat in chess
@end.olives
@end.olives Жыл бұрын
There are probably many ways and the anal beads theory is just the meme version. Like it would he enough to have a little buzzing thing on your jeans.
@end.olives
@end.olives Жыл бұрын
As you could see in this video, the actual anal beads was just excess mass, you could put the whole system inside a hidden pocket on your clothes easy
@taliesine.8343
@taliesine.8343 7 ай бұрын
There was a team competition I believe in 2022 where the coach would stand in certain spots in the room to convey the moves. In the room where two ranks of eight boards, which made it perfect to convey moves. In a critical situation, the coach would move to one board in the first to indicate the rank and then move to the other row to indicate the rank. Now you have the target square of the best move in the position. The players are good enough to figure out which piece to move to the target square. This also only worked because Coaches where allowed to have phones at the tournament. They where caught relatively quickly, because the chess players performance was unusually high and way better than past performances. With those added suspicions the pattern of the coach was also caught.
@parthsavyasachi9348
@parthsavyasachi9348 7 ай бұрын
Also have to figure out how to let stockfish crutch numbers to the depth of 50 and almost instantly make moves too. Simple stuff really.
@dozydoe5245
@dozydoe5245 Жыл бұрын
Actually, there are butt plugs that can be used through apps to control pulsing to such a degree that you can probably do morse code with it because its so customizable that people submit their own custom settings to a list for sharing or keeping it private and theyre meant for long distance relationships or swingers that wanna tell people what butt vibes get them off so you didnt have to hacksaw and glue this one together just for any sort of future reference. i cant space out my sentences but but i dont want anyone to risk supergluing their asshole shut in the name of chess championship titles, happy beading- i mean cheating.
@pinkie723
@pinkie723 Жыл бұрын
wait, why cant you space out your sentences? 👀
@burneraccount7831
@burneraccount7831 Жыл бұрын
@@stuwest5862 nah, it's fr. There's even paired vibes and sleeves that interact with each other (I assume one is on a receive and the other is on react mode)
@kingo5940
@kingo5940 Жыл бұрын
@@burneraccount7831 wait what bro
@JackTheFoxVA
@JackTheFoxVA 10 ай бұрын
The problem is that all of those devices require phones to receive and transmit the signals. Im pretty sure Hans wasnt allowed to have his phone on him.
@emmanon6664
@emmanon6664 9 ай бұрын
😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
@FrenchGuyCooking
@FrenchGuyCooking Жыл бұрын
That's just painful dedication right here. Great ep
@Jason-gq8fo
@Jason-gq8fo Жыл бұрын
I see your KZbin taste is as good as your food taste. Love the vids
@bagieta7
@bagieta7 Жыл бұрын
what are you doing here
@fsilvruiz
@fsilvruiz Жыл бұрын
Alex!!!
@NomadicWVR
@NomadicWVR Жыл бұрын
@Alex I see you too are a man of culture😂
@OmnifyMyAss
@OmnifyMyAss Жыл бұрын
I see you're a true connoisseur of all kinds of salt 😁
@batates74
@batates74 Жыл бұрын
This gives a whole new meaning to embedded systems
@MrCh0o
@MrCh0o Жыл бұрын
Integrated peripherals
@pinkie723
@pinkie723 Жыл бұрын
oh noooooo lmaooooo XD
@burneraccount7831
@burneraccount7831 Жыл бұрын
Intel Inside 😉
@MihailDadun
@MihailDadun 9 ай бұрын
internal library
@mmesamesa
@mmesamesa 9 ай бұрын
Plug and Play
@FlameQwert
@FlameQwert Жыл бұрын
What really surprises me is that the old standby of many players saying "I can just feel he's cheating, the moves don't feel right" is proveñ demonstrated here
@danbrown6210
@danbrown6210 Жыл бұрын
Genuinely thought that you were going to take one for the team for a moment there.
@ZeleonScience
@ZeleonScience Жыл бұрын
Seeing Michael pick up on something fishy as the game progresses is honestly hella interesting! You can see how tense he looks not because of the pressure you are putting on him, but also because it doesn't feel right to him.
@tombladon8064
@tombladon8064 Жыл бұрын
I've played against cheats online and you get a feeling about it fairly quickly. It feels suffocating and nothing you do works but that is also how playing really good players feels too. The main difference is there are moves that seem totally silly that you will never really understand played, also they take 10 seconds to calculate the most complicated move, and also 10 seconds to make the blindingly obvious move. In this particular case it would be even more obvious as he'd just played a fairly poor game just 5 minutes beforehand.
@jhudson_tiedye
@jhudson_tiedye Жыл бұрын
perhaps the same way magnus felt
@NigelTolley
@NigelTolley Жыл бұрын
@@jhudson_tiedye yep. The lack of pressure shown by Magnus' opponent was insane. Very like watching this match, in fact.
@emperorsascharoni9577
@emperorsascharoni9577 Жыл бұрын
Yeah thats why it would be way less suspicious to use ai based engines that play like a human would and not in this impossibly calculated way that stockfish uses. Stockfish often uses a line that has only 1 right solution so making even a slight mistake would be detrimental and noone would play the line if they didnt fully calculate it first. Now when you play such a line without thinking long when there is a line thats much easier to play and just as good or nearly as good or would even seem better when you havent calculated the hard one then it becomes very suspicious. One example would be Leela Chess Zero but while this ai plays like a human it isnt up to the task of beating a world champion. Depends on the training time obviously. The better the ai gets the less human it plays.
@ReiMizere
@ReiMizere Жыл бұрын
16:32 Not only your moves were too strong for you rating, but sometimes the AI just makes a move that humans wouldn't make. Specially moves that get you compensation way later or moves that just improve your position without it being immediately apparent
@LoganCovers91
@LoganCovers91 Жыл бұрын
This. If you want to do it right, you tune the engine to not give such perfect moves, and throw some innacuracy in there. Everyone would notice these moves are cheating.
@lred1383
@lred1383 Жыл бұрын
@@LoganCovers91 The problem is, with the Niemann situation that would not give him any advantage. At top GM level "some inaccuracy" is often enough to lose the game
@kevinmiller218
@kevinmiller218 Жыл бұрын
@@lred1383 I think he meant that the play should be something between magnus and stockfish. Even with "some inaccuracy" moves stockfish would beat magnus 99/100 times if hans cheated. Yes at top GM level "some inaccuracy" is often enough to lose the game but stockfish could blunder first couple moves and still win easily.
@sublivion5024
@sublivion5024 Жыл бұрын
AI also has a tendency to focus on a secure win, rather than a fast or crushing victory like a human would, as it is only trained to win and not given additional points for winning strongly. This seems to be consistent with what his opponent was saying.
@sublivion5024
@sublivion5024 Жыл бұрын
You could probably determine whether he was cheating by playing his moves to known algorithms (whether AI or human written), or analysing his different games to see if there is a change in play style or any pattern
@sebastianfries274
@sebastianfries274 Жыл бұрын
Did this to my friend (with a phone) and he was really confused because the first time I played with him I played by checkers rules :)
@aseheavyindustries798
@aseheavyindustries798 Жыл бұрын
yeah....with a phone
@michealpersicko9531
@michealpersicko9531 Жыл бұрын
​@@aseheavyindustries798 if you insert it vertically and not horizontally it can fit. Remember the human anus can stretch up to 8 in before you run the risk of tearing it.
@volumist
@volumist Жыл бұрын
@@michealpersicko9531 i thought he hooked device on his knee...
@archietheproto7706
@archietheproto7706 Жыл бұрын
I've always liked magnus, but the fact he could tell he was playing against a computer with such conviction mid game is astounding.
@donmiller2908
@donmiller2908 Жыл бұрын
"but the fact he could tell he was playing against a computer with such conviction" That's the problem isn't it? Knowing something and proving it are two different things. Maybe Carlsen was having a bad day and Neimann was having a great day. It could happen. I believe it's just ego talking when Carlsen quit, saying in effect "I'm Magus Carlsen, never in this Universe will I ever be beaten by Hans Neimann, so he cheated" Which is why Neimannn is suing for defamation of character right? Carlsen cannot prove his allegation. You don't get to damage someones reputation because you "Think they cheated"
@trank3166
@trank3166 Жыл бұрын
@@donmiller2908 while that is true you can't be sure someone cheated, there are signs that you are playing against a bot. For an example, moving a king in a perfectly safe spot one tile to the side so you don't get put in check while trying to checkmate your opponent 25 moves ahead
@donmiller2908
@donmiller2908 Жыл бұрын
@@trank3166 Yes, and I read that masters know pretty much which are valid strong moves so they tend to make them quickly. If someone is taking a long time to make an obvious move, they're probably using a computer.
@snorttroll4379
@snorttroll4379 Жыл бұрын
@@donmiller2908 nah. they looked at the numbers and statistics.
@donmiller2908
@donmiller2908 Жыл бұрын
@@snorttroll4379 I saw another video created by a lawyer who said that Neimann is going to have a hard time getting anywhere with his lawsuit and he's pretty much done for reputation wise, which is a shame because flukes happen. Any Grandmaster can beat Carlsen, He just has to play exceptionally well on a day when Carlsen is playing exceptionally poorly, which can happen, flukes happen. I don't think you should be able to label a person a cheat without proof, especially when it could damage their career.
@DylanODonnell
@DylanODonnell Жыл бұрын
You Hans Neiman'ed your poor mate! Props to him for taking it so well. I could see him going through the emotions and his rating is amazing!
@MikeBoyd
@MikeBoyd Жыл бұрын
He’s a good sport!
@andrewdunbar828
@andrewdunbar828 Жыл бұрын
Should've invited Hans Niemann over instead of that guy (-:
@draganitaalex8324
@draganitaalex8324 Жыл бұрын
H8 moves made him orgasm i think
@Nobody-df4is
@Nobody-df4is Жыл бұрын
Michael played pretty good against the engine.
@tijsp.8162
@tijsp.8162 Жыл бұрын
Huh, didn't expect to see you here. Or maybe I should've haha Anyway, just wanted to say I love your channel! Already looking forward to your next video
@markus9020
@markus9020 Жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw this in my notifications the sudden realization came to me and now I can't stop laughing thinking about what you've just created
@matsukoffee
@matsukoffee Жыл бұрын
Imagine getting beaten this way💀
@garethbaus5471
@garethbaus5471 Жыл бұрын
When your opponent suddenly pulls moves out of his ass that are inhumanly good.
@WattWireNet
@WattWireNet Жыл бұрын
The exchange, "That was a really good move." / "I know, that's why I played it." had me dying. To me, that would have been a sure giveaway.
@SUPERMAR10312
@SUPERMAR10312 Жыл бұрын
For future note. Silicone sticks really well to itself. So next time you can use silicone caulk ( should be body safe if actually intended for use lol) instead of super glue.
@Glitch-Gremlin
@Glitch-Gremlin Жыл бұрын
Or use some of Smooth-On's Equinox Silicone Putty. you mix A and B together, then you can model it in your hands into a small Ball that could Coat the electronic, thus making it easy to insert and you could still feel it, without it being "Exposed" more-so, its Food Safe so it wouldn't be Dangerous like Caulk.
@DarkMoon095
@DarkMoon095 Жыл бұрын
How about using a real CAULK ?
@akronikw
@akronikw Жыл бұрын
@@DarkMoon095 💀💀💀
@v4714v
@v4714v Жыл бұрын
NICE CAULK
@tri--light
@tri--light Жыл бұрын
@@DarkMoon095 i need caulk for my deck
@gregorioeduardo
@gregorioeduardo Жыл бұрын
Anyone doing this at home, make sure the superglue is dried before you test out your new play thing 👿
@naverilllang
@naverilllang Жыл бұрын
If it's still wet, you can use it as lube to help it go in
@garethbaus5471
@garethbaus5471 Жыл бұрын
That just brought an insanely painful set of imagery to my mind.
@agustusfarnworth3379
@agustusfarnworth3379 Жыл бұрын
Oh god no
@ebixxdracion
@ebixxdracion Жыл бұрын
No one seems to realise that you could just wrap it in a condom or something to keep from having direct interaction with your inner lining.
@Thisguy2736
@Thisguy2736 Жыл бұрын
@@naverilllang that would most likely result In a embarrassing emergency room visit
@levd4685
@levd4685 Жыл бұрын
i suddenly wanna play chess
@ImKrazyFrench
@ImKrazyFrench Жыл бұрын
There's one precision I would add to the scandal scheme. At their level, they don't need that much information to cheat. All they need is a simple buzz that indicate whether or not a critical move must be done in a specific position. They're just that good at chess. They feel when the position is tense, but they don't absolutely know if there is a critical move to be done. A simple buzz can give them the cue to search for a single winning move that requires to invest more time into calculating their options. Hikaru Nakamura talked about it on Lex Fridman' Podcast. I recommend
@ImKrazyFrench
@ImKrazyFrench Жыл бұрын
Ok, I should of scrolled down a bit more before writing such a long comment. SMH.
@theplayer178
@theplayer178 Жыл бұрын
i saw alot of people trying to make "THAT chess cheat device" and byfar yours is the most realistic. It actually looks the most comfortable to sit on and honestly you have blown it out of the water with how ergonomically comfy it looks.
@ChefofWar33
@ChefofWar33 Жыл бұрын
Bruh. Calm down. I can see the tent from here.
@totsuka2213
@totsuka2213 Жыл бұрын
@@ChefofWar33 it's for science :3
@TurtleHouse
@TurtleHouse Жыл бұрын
Chill bro
@danielprovost
@danielprovost Жыл бұрын
@@TurtleHouse daddy chill...
@theplayer178
@theplayer178 Жыл бұрын
@@TurtleHouse I need that in me now ;)
@Zenterer
@Zenterer Жыл бұрын
He found a way to write off s**toys as business expenses
@Zenterer
@Zenterer Жыл бұрын
@UCtv2K6EqP6DGyl5xmGEY3iw lmao, nice try scamming
Жыл бұрын
Its fun how the brain works that I knew exactly what it was about the second I read the title xD
@raboaton158
@raboaton158 Жыл бұрын
9:32 "time to put it to the test" *unbuttons pants*
@robin.r
@robin.r Жыл бұрын
You know what you have just done? Every high grade chess tournament from now on will have someone checking each players „backdoor“ in case there’s a device like that in there. I think thats actually quite hilarious.
@ninezerotwo1778
@ninezerotwo1778 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think they’re going to be happy about needing to get fingered before every game.
@mr.cauliflower3536
@mr.cauliflower3536 Жыл бұрын
Fide said they wouldn't do it.
@justinjakeashton
@justinjakeashton Жыл бұрын
It ain't gay if it's TSA, I mean FIDE.
@CRanunculus
@CRanunculus Жыл бұрын
@@mr.cauliflower3536 They could use an x-ray or metal detector.
@creatingbeautifulsongs7946
@creatingbeautifulsongs7946 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t it be much easier to just delay the broadcast by a move, or just not let outside viewers watch live? No assistant means no cheating.
@christopherneufelt8971
@christopherneufelt8971 Жыл бұрын
I congratulate the sacrifices for science 🤣 at 10:41
@rougenarwhal8378
@rougenarwhal8378 Жыл бұрын
ah yes, "super glue" I guess that's a way to describe it
@kendelbeard6627
@kendelbeard6627 Жыл бұрын
10:49 OH THANK GOD 😬😂
@Falconer5752
@Falconer5752 10 ай бұрын
Yeah! Putting something covered in glue in your ass is like you're asking to have major health issues
@exodus4405
@exodus4405 Жыл бұрын
7 Years of Learning: How I Beat Hans Niemann at Chess
@zman4002
@zman4002 Жыл бұрын
Well...this is not the video I was expecting to watch at 12 in the morning
@karlnilsson8283
@karlnilsson8283 Жыл бұрын
He just casually drops the words “Butt Arduino” and expects everyone not to laugh hahahaha
@KO47893
@KO47893 Жыл бұрын
They should have a chess match in a faraday cage to block a signal transmitting to any potential cheat devices.
@grimoireapril9529
@grimoireapril9529 Жыл бұрын
This won't work. Consider a smartphone attatched with a sensor, picking up signals from your butt, and computing competely offline.
@KO47893
@KO47893 Жыл бұрын
@@grimoireapril9529 In the hypothetical situation in which Hans wants to prove he's innocent by playing in a faraday cage, I'm sure they could take simple additional measures to assure the integrity of the match, like checking their phones. Also, kudos to anyone who can send a signal with their butt without any errors while under scrutiny.
@iztihadfahim7053
@iztihadfahim7053 Жыл бұрын
The beads speaks for itself.
@andrewdunbar828
@andrewdunbar828 Жыл бұрын
Bzzzzt!
@omegaomega3
@omegaomega3 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewdunbar828 no it's actually silent
@andrewdunbar828
@andrewdunbar828 Жыл бұрын
@@omegaomega3 Shhhhh!
@stephenshook2348
@stephenshook2348 Жыл бұрын
😭😭
@DanTheThirdy
@DanTheThirdy Жыл бұрын
When your opponent does a wild play on you and your friends popping off with the remote in the back
@arcofficial516
@arcofficial516 11 күн бұрын
This is very well produced videos. Kudos to editor and mike
@goldenart1215
@goldenart1215 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been wondering what all the controversy around the cheating was ever since it started. I never thought THIS was the LEADING THEORY
@jonas-om3th
@jonas-om3th Жыл бұрын
Its not. This story was something a chess streamer brought up as a joke and for some reason the media ran with it. There are many other ways cheating could be achived
@emperorsascharoni9577
@emperorsascharoni9577 Жыл бұрын
Well the leading theory is just a concealed vibrating device. Another option would be the sole of his boots.
@1stCallipostle
@1stCallipostle Жыл бұрын
As absurd as it sounds on paper, I can't think of much better ways to hide it Like yeah, the sole is probably more likely for now, but if this becomes a rampant thing, between the cheeks wouldn't take long to take off
@yagnikbose8973
@yagnikbose8973 Жыл бұрын
This proves that chess grandmasters aren't just born-yesterday-talents, they reach their grandmaster status from immense practice and a MANY matches. You may beat them and they'll recognise it if you are truly as good as you seemed to be, but if you aren't legit, they'll probably be able to figure it out.
@__8120
@__8120 Жыл бұрын
3:22 I love that, I would also 100% watch that
@alexandersze49
@alexandersze49 Жыл бұрын
I’m laughing my ass off just listening to Mike explaining the modes and strength of the anal toy 😂
@jacobsotorios8886
@jacobsotorios8886 Жыл бұрын
Pun intended?
@hugomarchand756
@hugomarchand756 Жыл бұрын
"If you're still watching now, you are a nerd" Thanks Mike, absolutely true
@melody3741
@melody3741 Жыл бұрын
Never ever ever cut or glue silicone that will go inside you, EVER.
@Luke-dj3ry
@Luke-dj3ry Жыл бұрын
Never again yeah
@MouseGoat
@MouseGoat Жыл бұрын
I honestly dont think Hans cheated, and the bug plot idea is just to freaking wild to be true. Yes its possible, its also possible Hans was alien all along, we really need a fair bit more than a meme and a odd set of events to prove anything here. And also at some point cheating stops being cheating if you cant proof the cheet.
@midn8588
@midn8588 Жыл бұрын
The fact that Hans couldn't explain why he moved like he did combined with his insane accuracy and record of cheating is pretty good evidence
@jackingwads7513
@jackingwads7513 Жыл бұрын
@@midn8588 sounds like the guy is a sore looser and needs to get over himself he read him like a book and played appropriately now he's mad cause he's not as good as he thinks he is and acts like child when he knew he would loose was surprised he didn't flip the board too Cry some more looser
@a.i.a3949
@a.i.a3949 Жыл бұрын
@@midn8588 It suggests he could have been cheating, its not "evidence" at least not hard enough legal evidence.
@alexblake5369
@alexblake5369 Жыл бұрын
@@a.i.a3949 It's a no win situation. The only way to have proved that Hans cheated would have been to conduct a body search of him right after the match so all you can go on is his weird behavior, history and a grand master chess player's instinct. With that said if Hans really did just get lucky then his career has just been destroyed for no reason so at the end of the day this whole situation is going to feel unfair to somebody.
@a.i.a3949
@a.i.a3949 Жыл бұрын
@@alexblake5369You hit nail on the head with that
@eugene937
@eugene937 Жыл бұрын
At the elite level it is no longer about thinking which moves wins pieces and which moves loses, it is genuinely like 10-20 steps ahead and its just so complex to show and prove to a layman why and how they suspect someone is cheating that its almost impossible to prove without hard evidence which is why its such a big deal.
@carlangelo653
@carlangelo653 Жыл бұрын
Trust is also a huge factor. We have one well respected player accusing another player before who has admitted to cheating in the past. What makes everything look worse for the guy is at the interviews after the ordeal the way he answered the questions were a bit off to say the least.
@eugene937
@eugene937 Жыл бұрын
@@carlangelo653 exactly, he blunders moves in the post game interview as well like how.
@bluemystic7501
@bluemystic7501 Жыл бұрын
And other GMs have suspected Hans of cheating too.
@sarahmcdonough7713
@sarahmcdonough7713 Жыл бұрын
When people talk about elite chess players thinking moves ahead, does that mean they’re imagining all possible next moves, and what they’d do to answer them? And so on with the next set of moves? If that’s the case, they’re thinking simultaneously about many, many possible games and monitoring all of them? Or is it something else?
@jolondacross9726
@jolondacross9726 Жыл бұрын
@@sarahmcdonough7713 this is exactly that
@DimaWSM
@DimaWSM Жыл бұрын
I knew you weren't going to use the device *there* but the way you prepared everything with such a dry approach almost made me reconsider if you reeeaaally weren't going for it. Great job!
@rio-kt7ut
@rio-kt7ut Жыл бұрын
definitely shouldn't be going there with a dry approach 😆
@DimaWSM
@DimaWSM Жыл бұрын
@@rio-kt7ut that one got me really good🤣
@necefovismayil
@necefovismayil Жыл бұрын
Took ANALysis to a whole another level
@CheeseMan68_1
@CheeseMan68_1 10 ай бұрын
“Now we need someone to test it out.”
@charlied8355
@charlied8355 Жыл бұрын
To me, the biggest thing is around 14:50 when your opponent "senses" something is off. I think that's why a lot of people are siding with Magnus, as he has played countless games over the board and has always took losing and losing winning positions to make a draw with grace and with a sense of humour (though obviously he wants to win/is competitive) he instinctively knew something was 'off' about Hans' play whereas he's never said that about anybody else. Also, to go as far as withdraw from the tournament, it's obvious he had the same feeling as your opponent and knew something was up. Magnus is the best chess player in the world and i think most people trust his judgement, especially as he has a pretty spotless record of fairplay and respect.
@techheck3358
@techheck3358 Жыл бұрын
mike's opponent sensed something based on mike's past game & rating. in the tournament, hans was a last-minute replacement, he wouldnt have had enough time to prepare and/or practice
@elementalgolem5498
@elementalgolem5498 Жыл бұрын
@@techheck3358 yet Hikaru, Magnus and many other gms figure out people are cheating online without even knowing who they are
@techheck3358
@techheck3358 Жыл бұрын
@@elementalgolem5498 online, you can still see the persons profile. and again, he was a last minute replacement, and hans has continued to be a great player even through the increased security measures added because of this
@elementalgolem5498
@elementalgolem5498 Жыл бұрын
@@techheck3358 its not like Magnus didnt know of him. He has played him before that was the first game they had against each other. Normann isnt some new kid on the block hes a well known chess player that has multiple suspicious things about his career and rating
@plzletmebefrank
@plzletmebefrank Жыл бұрын
@@techheck3358 if a person is cheating online then their ranking reflects that and wouldn't seem suspicious. What is suspicious is playing like a computer and not a human. To be fair, the best chess players blur that line, but usually there is still some hints there.
@Math.Bandit
@Math.Bandit Жыл бұрын
The interesting thing (that turns this from wild Internet theory to tiny but non-zero chance) is that at the SuperGM level you don't even need to transmit full moves or even any moves. Just a simple "Vibrate when there is one move significantly better than the 2nd-best move" is almost certainly enough for any SuperGM to beat Magnus more often than not. It's the same reason chess puzzles are much easier to solve than finding similar tactics in a game, since in a puzzle you're told there is a solution.
@psychd5374
@psychd5374 Жыл бұрын
You would still need the device to know what position the board is in.
@thediamondpro5050
@thediamondpro5050 Жыл бұрын
@@psychd5374 well a spectator of the game can play the moves on their computer and transmit them back to the device like shown in the video
@rouxbnr
@rouxbnr Жыл бұрын
@@thediamondpro5050 Thats why chess streams for higher level tournaments have delays, so that a spectator cant transmit the moves in time.
@christiantretter4605
@christiantretter4605 Жыл бұрын
@@rouxbnr that didn't start to become common until after the cheating allegations began. I'm pretty sure the original game in question did not have delays.
@rouxbnr
@rouxbnr Жыл бұрын
@@christiantretter4605 ye it didn't, they only had a 15 minute delay after the third round.
@alice20001
@alice20001 10 ай бұрын
OMFG I feel so bad for Michael Grooves (the chess player). He's trying to wrap his brain around: How do you go from that first game, to THIS, more than even focusing on the game. Most of all, he is being a heck of a good player, complimenting and being very well mannered. What a champ!
@AstralArbourSys
@AstralArbourSys Жыл бұрын
The best part is he didn't even need to do all this. Bluetooth/wifi connected, er, devices, already exist. My partner bought one of those on impulse because they thought I'd be interested in using it on them... it was a mortifying conversation but funny looking back on it.
@emilyscloset2648
@emilyscloset2648 Жыл бұрын
As hikaru said, actually all you would need is a single beep in high tension positions to alert the player there is a winning idea. They are so good at calculating, they will find the actual moves themselves
@manixxzz1483
@manixxzz1483 Жыл бұрын
Exactly this. All it takes at that level is just a small pulse on which move to focus on, and it's already a big advantage.
@user-sy2jy1si8f
@user-sy2jy1si8f Жыл бұрын
The problem with this approach is - to get to the position where this winning idea exists, you must outplay your opponent first. You just cannot do average moves against a superior opponent and then somehow find yourself in a winning position
@olympicswimmingpoolpiss
@olympicswimmingpoolpiss Жыл бұрын
@@user-sy2jy1si8f so you're saying these super GMs need to know how to play the game.
@user-sy2jy1si8f
@user-sy2jy1si8f Жыл бұрын
@@olympicswimmingpoolpiss yep, you won't beat them just with a couple of buzzes, no matter how well-timed these buzzes are. IMO, Hikaru greatly overestimates effectiveness of this cheating technique. The improvement it can bring to a player is too small, it can't lift 2400-2500 player into 2700 territory.
@luongmaihunggia
@luongmaihunggia Жыл бұрын
But how would it actually read the position? You need a recording device.
@michael_grogan
@michael_grogan Жыл бұрын
You don't need the device to send you coordinates in morse code, you just need it to buzz once every time your opponent makes a mistake
@domw3239
@domw3239 Жыл бұрын
If you’re already a good chess player, yes. But with this beauty you can stick it up anyones arse and they’ll be a chess god.
@peterruf1462
@peterruf1462 9 ай бұрын
Well that obviously proves that he did cheat
@Baekstrom
@Baekstrom Жыл бұрын
If I was to cheat at chess, my first idea would be something simpler and less invasive, like... a laser pointer blinking the message on a wall or object behind my opponent.
@cly_
@cly_ Жыл бұрын
The point is nobody else is able to see it, and in a real tournament you won't be able to get your partner in to point that laser, it would be too obvious anyway.
@duroxkilo
@duroxkilo Жыл бұрын
@@cly_ not necessarily.. in a large room full of people and all kinds of distractions there are many possibilities. one could make a light bulb flicker ever so slightly and nobody would notice let alone be capable of 'decoding' the messages. think of the small LED in a smoke detector. would you pay attention to that while attending/playing a chess tournament? besides, at their level they don't really need to be given *all* the moves. even just a hint in a single position can influence an entire game. the idea w/ the plug toy was so ridiculous :)
@rtotheizzle
@rtotheizzle 9 ай бұрын
bro that's the worst idea I've ever heard.
@smush4635
@smush4635 Жыл бұрын
The guy that used this really said “Desperate times call for desperate measures...”
@bidaubadeadieu
@bidaubadeadieu Жыл бұрын
I mean, the move at 14:36 is a big tell! It's such a quiet move. It doesn't attack anything, or defend anything that wasn't already defended. It doesn't really set up any tactical ideas, like he didn't need the g1 square free to put another piece there. Improving the the position of your king like that is just not something beginners do, it's really hard to spot when it's the right idea.
@ashscott6068
@ashscott6068 Жыл бұрын
Nothing screams ENGINE like a random king move
@Obi-Wan_Pierogi
@Obi-Wan_Pierogi Жыл бұрын
Michael was such a good sport! It seems he was quite annoyed - I don't think he knew what your intentions were. He knew you were cheating, but he didn't know what your endgame was. I'm so glad he seemed chuffed at the end there.
@jackingwads7513
@jackingwads7513 Жыл бұрын
The real question is did you FEEL that
@umbrellasquid9669
@umbrellasquid9669 Жыл бұрын
I love the how this is used for this
@XIIchiron78
@XIIchiron78 Жыл бұрын
I loved that visible moment of hesitation when you slapped it down on the table before he picked it up at the end lmao
@user-vi4xy1jw7e
@user-vi4xy1jw7e Жыл бұрын
There was no hesitation. Lol
@scruffex3736
@scruffex3736 Жыл бұрын
For me it was really interesting to see how Mike was hiding his hands basically the entire time while he was cheating. Just body language telling you so much more than youre aware of. Nice reminder
@brent4674
@brent4674 Жыл бұрын
yeah especially intresting since the signal went to his ankle so it was just pure unconsious body language
@starlii9690
@starlii9690 Жыл бұрын
My friend was talking about this chess situation and I thought he was being stupid as always and was trying to annoy me and then i came across this video... I'm in tears 😭
@ZER0--
@ZER0-- Жыл бұрын
As other folk have suggested, maybe use a Faraday cage? Or play behind closed doors, and have it on delay. Or make 'em bend over and use a highly sensitive metal detector.
@ifer1280
@ifer1280 Жыл бұрын
If you can distinguish between long and short pulses, you could convert the 1-8 pulses per coordinate to 3.
@dukeofanchor
@dukeofanchor Жыл бұрын
This could be used by the defense attorneys of Magnus and Hikaru in the Hans niemman lawsuit lmao
@sploob865
@sploob865 Жыл бұрын
Don't you just hate it when the defendant pulls out the vibrating anal beads?
@guywiesel2380
@guywiesel2380 Жыл бұрын
I think it's circumstantial
@lumpy6917
@lumpy6917 Жыл бұрын
they also need a physical proof of evidence that Neiman has owned or owns that kind of machine, meaning he will be innocent until proven
@lareginadiquori5888
@lareginadiquori5888 Жыл бұрын
Proving that something is physically possible it's not a proof that someone did it. But it still a great source of memes
@Samsunaattori
@Samsunaattori Жыл бұрын
@@lumpy6917 Does this potentially mean that the police could get a search warrant to confiscate sex toys from Niemann?
@antiLGTBQ
@antiLGTBQ Жыл бұрын
To add: Hans said he had "practiced the moves as in Magnus's preveous games" but magnus had only 1 game similar. for perspective thats 1 set of moves, in 1 game, out of tens of thousands
@rudellius
@rudellius Жыл бұрын
He had studied a transposition that resulted in a position that occurred in a game Magnus had played before, not the exact same set of moves themselves.
@tirkentube
@tirkentube Жыл бұрын
@Maxtor what if THIS was how he did it? Mangus and this guy both had played AI enough to know what playing it feels like, so they both knew someone is cheating. what if a player had played AI enough to learn the moves AI would make in a given scenario, and then memorized those moves? So now, he's going into the tournament armed with the knowledge of an AI that has trained in millions of chess games and came out the other side as a brilliant chess AI. Would that be considered cheating? Could you even undo that or protect against it? So maybe this isn't about cheating with AI, but it's about humans vs AI and how to adapt to it, and perhaps humans finally HAVE mastered chess, in a way. i mean once you know all the BEST MOVES, what else is there to do with the game?
@tirkentube
@tirkentube Жыл бұрын
it's just like the opening moves. almost always, an AI and most human players alike will always move their center pawns out first. what if someone could remember all the other moves necessary to beat almost any scenario?
@sakarilaakkonen5466
@sakarilaakkonen5466 Жыл бұрын
@@tirkentube you sir have certainly never played chess outside of a very basic level
@CaTastrophy427
@CaTastrophy427 Жыл бұрын
@@sakarilaakkonen5466 I feel like he's the kind of guy who would always fall for the Scholar's Mate and eventually learned to avoid it via the Bongcloud Attack, thinking that's the "BEST MOVE" for the situation.
@cellokid5104
@cellokid5104 Жыл бұрын
The reveal made me laugh out loud
@Lemon_Inspector
@Lemon_Inspector Жыл бұрын
It's fairly common for "alien abduction victims" to claim they have a receiver implanted in their skulls or teeth, but this is the first time I've heard of someone receiving radio signals with his prostate.
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