Z790 DARK DDR5 overclocking progress update: 7800CL34 STABLE at last.

[@davekelloway3337]

As an EVGA fanboi with both a z690 and a z790, I welcome all this content. So glad they finally sent you a board, hopefully they recognize that you're the type of content that the buyers of this board look for. Keep up the awesome content!

[@mythbuster4315]

Did the z790 improve over z690? By how many MT/s

[@davekelloway3337]

@@mythbuster4315 it is way more stable at speed than the z690. I was basically running XMP 7200MT CL34 on the z690. On the z790 I run an extremely stable for daily (not 100% more like 99.999%) at 8000MT CL35 @ 1.490v. Same chip, same sticks.

[@jgvtc559]

​@@davekelloway3337dang So in ddr5 does the lower cl number not matter as much persey I'm thinking about getting some sticks trying to figure the best ones for oc

[@davekelloway3337]

@@jgvtc559 primary timings are still important, but not nearly as much as they were with DDR4. Raw bandwidth seems to give more gains now. Really though if you have 6000MT+ with mid 30 timings you're in pretty good shape

[@newls1]

IF YOU USE THE LATEST MICRO CODE option from bios 1.11, the core speeds wont drop 100MHz anymore

[@arkama67]

wow that's a great 13600k, great content

[@ArcanusLupus]

So waiting for 8000MT/s :)

[@L0wPull]

I love ddr5 soooooooo much. So much I’ve gone back to binning ddr3. If you want to live a happier life don’t attempt binning RPL CPU’s for IMC, you throw every variable out the window for each cpu. Hell on a stick.

[@edropiangaminglivestreams]

Great content as always man! Nice work! I would love though to see you doing the same on a 4 DIMM slot mobo too and that because lots of people end up with a 4 slot mobo (Like the Ace or Hero) due to their "needs" from the mobo and unfortunately the available 2 Slot z790 are poor on that end. It would be really helpful to have a solid thought proccess / Methodology (+ the tips) on figuring out the actual mobo's/cpu limits.

[@nizzen2]

Looks like z790 Apex still is the GOAT for DDR5 overclocking on ambient temperature :) I'm running 8400c34, and I'm not the only one with Apex

[@justagamer1985]

May I ask which stick you are using? Thanks!

[@nizzen2]

@@justagamer1985 g.skill 7600, g.skill 8000 and hynix green 5600 oem. All of them did and doig 8400c34 100% stable. Cpu is the bottleneck :)

[@commanderoof4578]

Im truly wondering if thats actually stable Because much like people using a locked frequency on processors and calling it stable You cannot know for sure without testing to over 400% on DDR4 and i would suggest 800% for DDR5 with memtest 5 and the latest one And throw in something like Ychruncher and what not Because going back to my example not a single person who has claimed a stable locked frequency overclock actually had a stable overclock when i asked them to throw LinPack at it But i dont know what the LinPack equivalent of the memory testing world is tho

[@nizzen2]

@@commanderoof4578 There is no "100%" stable, only degree of stable in given enviorment. I just played 5 hours of BF 2042, It's 10k karhu stable and 10x y-cruncher back to back stable. Stable enough for my gaming :) So it's 100% stable for me. I don't care about LinPack. That job has my threadripper workstation.

[@commanderoof4578]

@@nizzen2 fair enough i suppose… Me bring up linpack was mostly to poke fun at those dumbasses that use locked frequency’s still I mean for me my tuned PBO sits at 4.1GHz in Linpack 4.45GHz cinebench and between 4.75GHz and 4.85GHz in most games That would be 750MHz lost if i used a fixed frequency thats LinPack stable Tho for RAM its way more important thats its stable because so much as a single bit here and there flipping will eventually break something important and make you regret going FK it its good enough if your not careful with backups Tho from what you’ve said im sire thats unlikely But buildzoids experience does beg to differer but meh what ever

[@shreyasdharashivkar8027]

I love these informative videos.

[@danielabbott9312]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who wastes hours of my life trying to overclock ddr5

[@tipostrano5151]

Das Board sieht schon mega nice aus👌

[@xBINARYGODx]

Oh, for the love of - so what if WHEA is a way to see errors while the test goes on? It's not hard to run and even get it sound a nice alarm once an error is thrown and log it too. Easy peasy. If anything, I like that better than "either its blues screens or the test crashes".

[@timrogers9191]

That’s a pretty high voltage for 7800 c34. I haven’t seen it talked about, but try those same settings at 1.52V. I’m seeing lots of people putting higher voltage into their sticks than I’ve experienced is necessary, causing instability

[@godanihc]

Got mine running at 7800 c34 1.52v fully stable

[@THANHNGUYEN-uq8zk]

Got mine running 8600c38 at 1.53v fully stable.

[@chrisbreaktherules]

Love you!❤

[@MrDutch1e]

I can't even tune sub timings without crashing in games without a fan because they hit high 60s in games despite only hitting high 40s after hours of memory stress testing. That's with 1.4v and xmp 6000 and tuned timings lol. Ddr5 is very temp sensitive.

[@Frozoken]

Get better front fans. Also test mem 5 will at minimum give u gaming temps but it should be even higher. My ram is at 1.45vddq/1.48vdd and I live in Australia and have no active cooling obv and I still only get to the low 50's in test mem 5 and high 40's at worst in games.

[@mcgmgc]

Wanted to get this board at first but it seems the Apex is better. Many people getting good results on OCN using Apex.

[@RathOX]

i have the Apex and its great!

[@RathOX]

@@suggestable its also better at CPU OC, the dark is a bit of a meme atm. 690 dark is better than the 790 dark.

[@xBINARYGODx]

@@RathOX 690 Dark is also only $399 right now (as of this post, if they have any left, but probably, EVGA is niche in boards and people flock to the latest hotness even when maybe they shouldn't)

[@ThunderingRoar]

@@RathOX z790 apex had issues where some boards wer doing trash speeds and a lot of people were RMAing them, also BZ had z690 apex early revision which was much worse than later ones and i also think his A channel was broken

[@RathOX]

@@ThunderingRoar i know ived owned a few. But my 1st 790 apex does 8200 no problem as a daily driver. Theres also pcb bending issues on the 790. Also The 690 apex 1st rev was meh. The 690 dark has less issues but newer revs fixes most apex issues.

[@Ks-zz9lh]

thx for this vid. its nice! Im currently running stable 7400cl36 - z5trident rated 7800-36 1.45v - with hero z790 + i7 13700k, SA+MC @1.35v and VDD+VDDQ@1.40v and XMPII enabled. Its y cruncher VST Test stable for 37 iterations or 75min. Memtest86 stable but still have to check for Testmem5. Im hoping to push 7600 somehow. Without Fan on them i get stress temps of 51c for the dimm close to cpu and 48c for the other one for the stable oc.

[@techluvin7691]

That SA voltage is a little high IMO. I would try 1.25, and you could raise and sync the ram voltage at 1.4.

[@winebartender6653]

The vdd2 CPU is strange, especially with the pmic turbo mode settings enabled. Not sure if you have tried disabling that but I have found it did more harm than good for stabilizing a daily setup

[@Carsalesman47]

PMIC Turbo mode only presets the TX (CPU VDDQ) voltage. Overrides the setting you set in BIOS.

[@troeteimarsch]

I hope EVGA will make a W790 board. I would pay anything to own a 16 core Intel CPU paired with something like this mobo. I'd turn off hyperthreading, get octa-channel DDR5 at speeds over 7200 and tune that systeme to do me well for almost a decade, like in the 1366 / 2066 days. Paired with two "whatever nvidia pulls off next"-halo products this beast could do anything

[@ole7736]

My only RAM oc experience is with Skylake/DDR4. I might just go X3D for my next build and call it a day. Mem oc with DDR5 sounds like too much of a headache for me.

[@Frozoken]

So true it's actually a pain in the ass. Tbh if you want a extremley safe and relatively large performance uplift just set your trefi/refresh interval to 32000. Your trfc/trefi gives you an exact performance hit to your memory as it's literally how much of its time is spent doing nothing. By default trfc is about 800 and trefi is about 8000. 800/8000 = 0.1 so that's a 10% hit to your memory performance so just setting it to 32000 gives you a roughly 7% performance increase. At really high trefi, high heat can make it unstable but that's like 60k+ and if ur voltages are stock it won't be an issue. I was running high voltages +265k trefi (intels limit) in Australia with no fan for like a week without issue so 32k is really safe.

[@xBINARYGODx]

OMG that f@cking avx bug was driving me crazy, and I thought it was an issue with mobo/bios - but its an intel bug. cool - when the hell is the fix? lolz

[@xBINARYGODx]

I come from the future, to say, my 13900k and now my 14900K dont have it, thank god.

[@od1sseas663]

tRFCpb doesn't go lower than 400 in Hynix A-Die? Did you say it for your case where you're running 7800Mhz or in general? Because I set it at 360. My RAM is running at 7200Mhz CL34

[@commanderoof4578]

Correct me if im wrong but that should be the case That timing scales with frequency so your 360 at 7200 would need to be 390 at 7800 But as it is not liner and you would need to increase it higher to compensate for physics you would find yourself setting it to at least 400

[@a_void]

Mine was unstable below 400 at 7200. Maybe I have a bad bin or you have a good bin? Or it's a voltage issue... DDR5 overclocking seems borderline black magic at this point

[@yubrandomain]

me trying to zero in on a XMP Trident Z5 7800 kit, wont go past 7600 LOL. I feel the "Sweet Spot" comment... HOURS and hours and got 7600 stable but GAH 7800 WTF. Board is rated for 7800+

[@soulbytes]

Hi thanks for the vid. A question is it okay to run the Ram daily on 1.5V ? Cheers

[@Frozoken]

it is very dependent on your load ram temps. With an active fan, obv. If you can stay below the mid 50's in temp at the very worst, sure. Otherwise, don't.

[@Decki777]

Passing these stress tests are nothing the real memory stress test is 4 hours 128 players conquest battlefield 2042 gameplay😅

[@dvr1337]

For 8267 u just need 1,65v on the memkits mainly.

[@Goku-dh5fx]

Hello, what is max safe voltage to VDD and VDD2? 24/7 VDDQ XT and SA

[@Ojciec_Swiety_Pancerny8]

Hi, I recently increased voltage on my RX6800XT via MPT (normally it has a limit of 1,15V) I increased it to 1,162mV for better stability. Do you think that this can speed up the GPU degradation process ?

[@emini6]

maybe, but I sold my 6700xt half a year ago

[@dvr1337]

I got a 7600-cl34 i think. So ye they do use low cl

[@DD-es6qd]

I have a Msi z790 and two sticks of ddr5 6000 but I cannot get the A2B2 slots to work only B1B2 at 4000 any help?

[@cruelfish4824]

I just put trefi at 14x frequency in mhz. Works perfectly.

[@od1sseas663]

Where did you get that 14x number

[@a_void]

@@od1sseas663 I don't know but it works for me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@BigBidNus]

I wonder if im going to have this problem. I hope my 13900ks has a better memory controller than a 13600kf

[@xBINARYGODx]

it almost certainty does for the vast majority - Build has lots of stuff handed to him or procured in a way you cannot.

[@BigBidNus]

@@xBINARYGODx So I got my KS in and a set of 7800mhz ram.. I didnt use my kingpin yet, bc im waiting for the rest of my part to come in, but I put it in my unify x after updating bios and I hit 7800 with xmp and not tweaking anything!! KS for the win for sure.. not too bad of a price for a good bin

[@dvr1337]

tREFI doesnt go above 65k for me. Instant unstable on the apex above 7600mhz

[@HollywoodEDC]

odd, Im runing 8400 at cl 36 with 252k on tREFI

[@Typhon888]

BIYOUS AIREERS ALLUT

[@hkiller8885]

Sorry for asking an unrelated question to the video but Is there an idiot's guide to calculating and seeing if a mother board basically can handle a CPU or not? the short version of it is i wanna see if Asus Tuf A520M - Plus WiFi Can handle a 5800X3D or 5800X. the VRM on that board is i think 5+3? ( maybe even asus didn't answer my support ticket about its VRM ) but assuming it's even crappier 4 phase...is it gonna die under 5800X or 5800X3D? (the model i am mentioning has a bit of bigger heat sink than the previous one released with the same name)

[@emini6]

Just find a b550 board

[@tomaszj.9741]

Can you make PCB comparison of rtx 4080s?

[@macht242]

8000mhz HERE WE COME....hopefully.

[@GalacticExplorerNASA]

please make a video in tighten subtiming of corsair vengence lpx 3200 mhz ram please

[@rulik006]

Mine 14600k 8000 VT3 stable on Z690 Dark board can boot 8400 > 8000 stable

[@evgenyskokov3090]

I change from Apex 790 to Evga 790 . Not a big deal for Ambient OC memory ... But With water Evga better

[@nizzen2]

Show us :) Can't wait to see 8600+++ on Evga z790 from you ;)

[@evgenyskokov3090]

@@nizzen2 I waint my rams radiators + waterblock on them )) then i can go more then 8000, Now only stable 8000c34 (( Tm5

[@techluvin7691]

I have a ryzen 7 5800x3d with 4 sticks (yes 4) of DDR4-3600 and it gets over 50gb/sec in Maxmem2. I’ve confirmed this in Aida64. I’ve done nothing to tune the ram. WTF…….

[@emini6]

Are they single rank or duo rank?

[@techluvin7691]

@@emini6 They are single rank.

[@emini6]

@@techluvin7691 yeah that's normal of zen3 with x3D. I've seen this on Linux too, also if you tune the refresh timings it could help out performance

[@a_void]

Is the EVGA CPU VDDQ same as VDDQ TX in the Asus UEFI?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

yes

[@a_void]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I figured as much since 1.4v was giving me instability. Lowering it to 1.35v helped on a Z790 Apex too

[@Matias-wu6xp]

Is the z690 unify x still worth getting to try and hit these high speeds or nah?

[@cybyrd9615]

Unify X is worse than Z690i Unify

[@Matias-wu6xp]

@@cybyrd9615 Do you know why that is?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

The Z690 Unify X has been the worst of the 1DPC boards I've tried with 13th gen.

[@Matias-wu6xp]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Well I guess I'll scratch that off my list 😕

[@cybyrd9615]

@@Matias-wu6xp @@Matias-wu6xp you only get one CPU 8 pin with z690i or z790i ITX motherboards if you want OC headroom up to 350 watts for the 13900K, your cheapest option on the US with decent RAM OC is a $400 used Z690 Kingpin on amazon. That is for 2 dimm mobos, idk if using 2 dimms on 4 dimm boards can work although Luumi got 8600Mhz on the classified Z790. If you want to game you could get away with using 4 dimm maybe with dual rank 6400 C32, I know I got 64 GB of Hynix A-die when I bought G.skill sticks. The SN is 820A instead of 820M for A-die, worked with auto voltages on z690i + 13900K so did single rank 7200 C34, and I was able to to OC it to 7400 all on auto too. But the msi Z790i MPG is better.

[@edwardromero5560]

I have a ddr 5 6400 cl 32 overclocked at 7600 cl 36 1.40v

[@TheLevitatingChin]

Surprised you couldn't go higher. Alot of people hitting or exceeding 7800. If you need any pointers on better settings you can DM me.

[@Multimeter1]

What about mdie

[@ciopl4892]

How to set oem aide to keep stable 8000mhz

[@Multimeter1]

@@ciopl4892 HYNIX A die? You’re going to have a long time taking to set that up tbh

[@dvr1337]

How can bios even make a difference.

[@commanderoof4578]

A BIOS essentially just allows parts to communicate and are human made So improvements can be made and bugs do happen Think of it like vehicle manufacturing over time manufacturing tolerance can be tightened allowing faster production at the same quality Its the same with your computers drivers as well updates can happen to say your GPU drivers without them being nitpick fixes for existing games or adding certain fixes or improvements for newer or just released games

[@karol6322]

Why are z790 msi mpgs so expensive??? My old z590 was only 200€..

[@commanderoof4578]

RND tax for PCIe 5.0 and DDR5 Due to signal integrity needing to be much more tightly controlled and needing to minimise trace lengths at the same time So prices should slowly go down Much like DDR5 prices ha e come down as manufacturing has been refined over and over making it cheaper to make and the heavy lifting of RND is basically finished and any further RND is for improvements

[@314LA]

7800c34 and 1.59v ? Too much. On Apex I have 8400c36 and 1.57v for 24/7. For 7800c34 is 1.5v Ok

[@johnboy2436]

too much? dont you understand all ram kits are different and need different voltages the same as CPU's? Whats wrong with you?

[@314LA]

@@johnboy2436 you're kind of nervous. All memory 2x16 8000+ based on Hynix. And the voltages are the same there. overclocking potential is different. But 7800 is not overclocking at all, but an easy walk.

[@johnboy2436]

@@314LAThey are not the same. Thats why people "bin" differant ram kits. You need to stop pretending you know what your talking about. NO VOLTAGES ARE THE SAME!!! Ram voltages aka VDIMM are all different as all A-die kits are binned differenently and need different voltages @ different freqency's. The rest of the voltages like SA, CPU VDD2 (MC on Asus), CPU VDDQ (tx on asus) are all depending on the CPU and again ARE ALL DIFFERENT. all cpus have different sweet spots. dude you have no clue what your talking about. not even close. please stop giving out bad advice.

[@314LA]

@@johnboy2436 dude, you're writing complete nonsense. The difference between the memory is visible from 8200 and above. Up to 7800 Hynix is absolutely the same in voltage. I don’t know where you read this, but it’s better to buy some memory for yourself and try it yourself with your own hands. Don't write here anymore, it's ridiculous.

[@johnboy2436]

@@314LA NO IT ISNT. I HAVE TWO DDR5 hynix kits. One will do 8200 at 1.5v and the other will do 8200 at 1.62v. Both are Hynix A-die. You do understand people bin ram kits and sell them? You dont have a clue what your talking about. Please stop giving out bad information. You're not an overlocker your silly. People litterally bin kits because some kits are WAY DIFFERENT to others. You act like you know what your talking about but binning ram kits is a huge thing in the overclocking world. Your a kid and have much to learn.

[@UptownNYC]

Can anyone tell me what's the point of overclocking memory? Test after test shows you get MAAAAYBE 2-3fps extra in games.... Unless you're into going for world records in SuperPi 32M then I just don't see the point 🤔

[@commanderoof4578]

Depending on the game the increased bandwidth makes a near linear difference in performance Other games benefit more from lower ram latency Some games dont care even if you compound the 2 So while it is true it can have tiny improvements if any its also true that going from 4800MHz to 7800MHz or even higher could result in a 62.5% increase or near enough in FPS I know Star Citizen is a game you can push through bandwidth alone and decreasing latency also pushes up frame rates Well at least until your CPU’s memory controller runs out of headroom then its only latency that can improve things For example 3000 vs 4000 DDR4 nets you 30-34% more FPS so long as your CPU memory controller doesn’t hit a bandwidth wall

[@xBINARYGODx]

Assuming you're running your DDR5 at no lesser than 5800, you are not likely to see much gain going higher in most games. Its that thing where speeds below X matter, but not above. Or rather you reach diminishing returns past 6Ghz. Like anyone with a z690 running 6Ghz ram is not going to be materially held back verse all else the same but on a z790 with 7Ghz ram. Most of the time to see difference, you need something limited in a way your gaming rig never will be unless you were trying - like when CPU benchmarks run a non-cutting-edge game at a lower resolution to see difference of 340FP vs 360fps. Basically, what is the maximum OC your board lists in the parenthesis value - just be close enough to that and you are fine. Anyway, turn on RT or throw some other setting high, and your GPU will be the limit 99.9% of the time.

[@UptownNYC]

@@xBINARYGODx And that's why year after year reviewers have ALWAYS shown the sweet spot (the point after which you start getting diminishing returns on MEM OC) has been 3600Mhz. Now DDR5 comes around and everyone starts losing their minds over finding the right mobo to overclock it not realizing its does practically NOTHING for gaming. I don't even wanna hear about niche games like Tarkov which nobody even plays these days due to rampant cheating. Mem OC still doesn't affect 98%+ of games... so what's the point?

[@emini6]

​@@UptownNYC I do ram oc for emulation and arcade games. For 11th gen 3600mbps is kinda the sweet spot, but 10th gen 4000mbps is sweet as well. Zen3 best to go 3800mbps or above if the infinity fabric lets you go higher than 1800, like lucky bins at fabric at 2000 & ram at 4000mbps.

[@-MaXuS-]

Intel chips would likely not see any anomalous MC behavior if u dialed back your mem speeds to the way lower speeds that AMD chips are capable of at the moment. So about AMD not having the memory controller issues BZ mentions around the 13:00 mark give or take..would thus probably be true as well for Intel with Intel much more capable MC on the 13th gen. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ just saying…when nagging about something it’s sometime a good idea to take a step back, remind oneself that it’s good to try to keep things in perspective. Like not, unreasonably expecting a CPU with a specific 7200MT/s@CL38 pushed to 7800MT/s@CL34 to behave similarly to an AMD CPU that I seriously doubt could ever even come close to that. Ok I don’t mean to sound like a bitch ass fanboy as that’s the dumbest thing one can be. And I’m making no claim that Intel is better because faster mem speeds. They handle memory quite differently, yet ofc, since it is DDR5 spec there will naturally be things that are similar and even identical in how shit works. I guess all I’m saying is I just think it’s a stupid remark to make as I honestly don’t think it’s reasonable to push so far above what would be possible were it an AMD equivalent system while still expecting shit behave as if it isn’t pushed to its limit of stability. But hey who the fuck am I aaand what the fuck do I know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Nobody and not much to be fair. I still enjoy watching your content BZ even though, I’m just now realizing..🥺..you’re apparently not perfect, like I always thought u were. 😒😄. 😉 🙏👍✌️🖖

[@emini6]

amd zen 3&4 memory controller is quite sturdy with a stable stress test(like 1-2hr linpackX) at its usual speed range at good temps under 85c, but with zen4 the cpu temps is wack high which needed to be battled with to keep it surviving long daily oc. intel 12&13th gen memory controller has capability to go higher speeds & tight timings than amd with it's "GearsOfWar 1 or 2 Clockwork" from 11th gen which is a pain to find stability until its found with vst+linpackX+hci+anta777, but it could have a weird rare silicon degrading suicide may stop working that stable tune from weird heterogeneous architectural shenanigans or temperature stress cycling at a year or more who knows. 10th gen is tough(I had 2 z490 itx mobos died on me, 2 cpu lives) and speedy(4000+mbps), but could crack as well from high temps & volts. Yeah, I I agree with you that there should be a balance for setting up a daily 24/7 oc to survive for years, both corporations cpus could die sooner than we think because of planned obsolescence.

[@DJaquithFL]

DDR5 speeds..I think you're overlooking the biggest variable which is your CPU; silicon lottery. Not to mention as much as I like EVGA, I prefer ASUS. In the real world I see very little benefit above DDR5 7000 and I'm running my combined DDR5 6800 kits, yes plural kits, at DDR5 6200 speeds. Having two sticks in a four stick board is like a supermodel missing half her teeth. CPU-Z JJU8GT

[@emini6]

I feel like I've seen you at boardzy channel, are you that dude who plays with an insanely high-dpi for cod?? you are making me lol, who cares about brands I got experience with all of them and I'll try to get whatever is the best for ram oc like back then the msi b550 unifi-x, or gigabyte z490,z590 tachyon or asus z490 apex. BZ & I knew about the cpu lottery is gonna happen anyways however a good motherboard is the "biggest variable" that matters the most, as is right now the later revisions of the Apex is a very strong z790 board to get 8000+mbps speeds, this dark board is still pretty good sometimes a new bios update can change it up, since evga has a small team of people writing the bios. I'm also sorry to say this, but we are in a daisy chain generation of motherboards for ddr5, t-topology is rare and silly on d5 so it's not a very good idea to run 4 kits instead of two for maximum performance. The z690 formula 4X16gb can hit 6000-6200mbps like your board, asus got their daisy figured out, however 2X'whatever'gb is still better.

[@DJaquithFL]

@@emini6 .. Yes I'm that guy (6000 CPI). In my use case it's an expensive rig with chromed metal tubed EK water blocks on an ASUS ROG Maximus Extreme with an RTX 4090 driving a Corsair Flex 240Hz OLED monitor .. so having RAM___RAM___ vs RAM|RAM|RAM|RAM (supermodel with half her teeth missing) is an esthetic thing more so than any other reason.

[@emini6]

@@DJaquithFL @D Jaquith small world, but why are you doing here? some of us don't play much games here at ahoc except hwbot score and parts hunting. oh lord, ek nickel-plated water blocks suck and the nickel can easily peel off, only their copper blocks are safe. If you hired me to build your PC, I would have told you to slow down your FOMO unless if you got paid big from a cash pool competitive game price or whatever business paid you to do ai work like I'm doing. Also read BZ's channel name carefully and you'll see why I'm replying very harshly from a overclocker perspective as I'm trying to help you understand that 2 ram kits for ddr5 is mandatory for extreme performance instead of 4 kits because ram gets very sensitive above 4000mbps and those manufacturers put 4 dimm slots because sometimes enterprise businesses buy "gaming motherboards" and needed ram capacity priority over speeds, if you want to use all 4 slots then you have to look for a motherboard with a t-topology tracing which is rare on ddr5 instead of high speed daisy chain tracing.

[@Jacob-hl6sn]

ddr4 3600 forever!

[@od1sseas663]

DDR5 is king 🤴

[@commanderoof4578]

DDR4 3600MHz… Either Intel or older Ryzen DDR4 4000MHz CL18 or less is end game i say CL18 or less because good luck getting 2x32GB kits to 4000MHz CL18 without buying them specifically rated for it much less lower the CL Because Ryzen absolutely needs the fastest ram and lowest latency you can throw at it which happens to be typically 4000MHz because of the infinity fabric I will not switch to a DDR5 system till kits start coming out at CL28 with minimum 6200MHz Because otherwise my DDR4 woops its as in latency

[@Jacob-hl6sn]

​@@commanderoof4578 4000 mhz will not work for me with an intel processor in gear 1 no matter what i do

[@Jacob-hl6sn]

@@od1sseas663 ddr5 ram is pointless for gaming and idk about other applications

[@commanderoof4578]

@@Jacob-hl6sn difference between gear 1 and gear 2 is practically non existant For me gear 1 locks me at 3600 gear 2 i can go to 4000 both require the same CL But you bet your ass 4000MHz vs 3600MHz gear 2 vs gear 1 respectively wins Choosing gear 1 vs 2 is for ram is essentially meaningless as far as i am aware anyway Its not like in a car where 1 vs 2 is 80% difference its more like 1% max or something insignificant vs the higher limits gear 2 allows that is negated Well for intel anyway Ryzen probably gets hit with a nuke gear 1 vs gear 2 because its so sensitive to memory

[@klounader]

Boot time Windows 30 seconds.. It's looong...

[@jdw715]

Too many likes.

[@thatguy7595]

CPUs were never supposed to have this much cache

[@od1sseas663]

Why

[@rotor13]

Says who?

[@commanderoof4578]

Things move forward in the tech world The Cache increasing is obvious and im surprised it took AMD coming up with Vcache to make intel include more cache And it also took AMD increasing core counts to make intel do that as well The cache of CPU’s should increase until a point of diminishing returns is hit Then a few years after that the point of diminishing returns will increase yet again Its like the good old days when multi GB drives came out and was said to he the end game But look where we are today 20TB per drive for spinning rust 100TB for oversized SSD’s Things may not be intended but they will happen anyway

[@xBINARYGODx]

@@commanderoof4578 the cores moving up is AMD pressure, the cache increase is not. Not everything good Intel does is because of AMD.

[@commanderoof4578]

@@xBINARYGODx 10900k 20MB, 11900k 16MB, 5800X3D 96MB, 12900k 30MB, 13900k 36MB AMD made the cache rise

[@christopherjackson2157]

So basically ddr5 is ddr2

[@od1sseas663]

Why

[@emini6]

bruh, no way bro lmao. d5 is a mistake

[@petrforst7358]

first

[@billkillernic]

pfff try to run on an AM5 something above 6400 stable THAT would be a feat

[@AA-kx5es]

It’s been done

[@billkillernic]

@@AA-kx5es What's the title of the video ?

[@Multimeter1]

You guys thing the x3D CPUs have better memory controllers?

[@billkillernic]

@@Multimeter1 can't find it

[@AA-kx5es]

@@billkillernic Z790 DARK DDR5 overclocking progress update: 7800CL34 STABLE at last.

[@godanihc]

Built a new pc for my friend today. First time ocing ddr5, got my g skill 2x16 7200 c34 kit running at 7800 c34-44-44-44-36 13700k Z790-A Gaming WIFI D5 4 dimm vdd 1.53v vddq 1.42v ivr vddq 1.42v sa 1.2v dunno should I touch it or not since my z790-A d4 doesn’t do anything even I change the SA Timings are basically same as yours. TRAS couldn’t go as low as 28 Passed memtest86 and testmem5 absolutenew. trying Y-Cruncher

[@godanihc]

Actually surprised that 4 dimm does 7800 at c34

[@godanihc]

CPU SP = 90 P cores 56x E cores 43x Ring 48x Adaptive voltage -0.001 LLC 6