What DDR5 to buy December 2023

DO NOT BUY 4x8, 4x16 or 4x24
for 2x16/2x24/2x32/2x48 to get Hynix the following works:
6000-6600 with a CL of 32 or lower
6800-7200 with a CL of 34 or lower
7200+ the CL doesn't matter because the clock is so high
4x32 and 4x48 don't have many official options and are incredibly hard on the CPU's memory controller sooo good luck.
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[@atirta777]

*TIMESTAMPS* 0:00 - 7:49 *Intro rambling and important info* (TL;DR only buy 2 sticks of DDR5) 7:49 *2x16GB kits* 7:52 Overclocking for the least money 9:54 Cheapest fast XMP with Hynix 16:29 Fastest 6000MT/s bin 19:26 Fastest XMP that every 13th & 14th Gen CPU can run 20:43 Fastest kit BZ would buy unless you're feeling lucky 31:18 *2x24GB kits* 35:13 Best affordable kit 36:17 Good kit for Intel 38:21 *2x32GB kits* 39:18 Cost-effective capacity 52:35 *4 stick configurations AKA the stupid stuff* 1:05:56 *RECAP!!!* *Important stuff rambled* 9:54 Hynix M-die vs A-die 14:05 DDR5 speeds on AMD 17:19 AMD vs Intel 18:30 Hynix A-die on Intel 23:48 7200MT/s+ & silicon lottery on CPUs 31:33 2x24GB M-die vs 2x16GB A-die 34:17 Memory controller location... 43:29 BEWARE of Corsair! They do "speedy" bins with loose timings that might include Micron chips *_For the full BZ experience, watch the whole video_*

[@Raikas]

u are the goat

[@atirta777]

@@ChrispyNut Actually the most Buildzoid thing to do... I guess it's not missing the popular 2x16 stuff so others can go and actually watch the video😂. Trust me it's very educational to watch a BZ video all the way through.

[@ChrispyNut]

@@atirta777 Hence being a long-ish time subscriber, who watched the entirety of the 10 hours stream (over the course of a couple of days)

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@atirta777 I didn't notice the don't pin this thing.

[@atirta777]

​@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking You can pin this now if you want, thanks for the video🙏

[@zanzabar4ky7]

If you want to look like you have 4 sticks get the corsair or Gskill dummy sticks with LED and no data pins.

[@RealMrStoofus]

They don’t exist yet for ddr5 unfortunately.

[@angelg3986]

Yes, those LEDs add 15% more fps in games 😂

[@Beforedeth]

I got 32gb 6400 trident z5 considering getting 2 more for ai… gigabyte boards always did me well with 4 stick and have gaming x ax z790 and 13600kf can it work?…

[@funbucket09]

​@@Beforedethit will work yes. Poorer overclocked/looser timings/more voltage/more effort to overclock. Daisy chained topology. Not great for 4 dimns. If you don't care about overclocking (doubtful since you are watching this video) you could run this config. TLDR yes it will work. Just not optimally.

[@kungfoojay]

@@angelg3986 bros about to cry because someone wants their PC to look nice

[@sigel7773]

Jesus Christ, 7 min into it and hes still talkin about how not to use more than 1 stick per channel.

[@Cashmeister96]

😂😂😂😂

[@Kapono5150]

Picking up 7800X3D today!!! I’m pretty excited

[@owieczkacs]

What ram you went with your 7800x3d?

[@owieczkacs]

I bought today G.Skill Ripjaw 2x16gb 6000hz CL 30, 7800x3d, AsRock mobo B650E riptide wifi

[@Kapono5150]

@@owieczkacs Hey 👋, Very Nice! You got some really good hardware. Hopefully you was able to get a great deal as well. Currently, I’m using G.Skill Flare X5 6000 MT CL30 32GB. I did a slight overclock and it’s stable at 6200 MT. I hope you enjoy the 7800X3D, extremely fast and very easy to keep cool.

[@owieczkacs]

@@Kapono5150 i need to find cooler for processor but that is not going to be issue. Still thinking what pc case i should use. Need a big one for 4080 super palit jetstream to fit inside ;) i worked for 3 months all extra hours i could get my hands on, big sacrifices had to be made but this pc especially with this motherboard is future proof.

[@DB-47]

I learned the hard way, that 4x 16GB is only way to get insane and hate your setup and blame your motherboard, CPU or your CPU's IMC that those are trash. I did that mistake and bought 4x 16 GB Apacer 6400 MT/s CL32 kit (It had SK Hynix chips) and guess what it was result. It was tragedy since day zero. While I was able to run that kit on 5600 MT/s and timings from XMP profile 2 I was never able to fully stabilise the system above 4000 MT/s in OCCT and Prime95, I was also forced to shovel much more voltage into VDDIO and VSoC, last nail into coffin was UEFI update which rendered anything above 4000 MT/s unstable even in memtest86 so I gave up. I purchased G Skill Trident Z5 2x32 GB 6000 MT/s CL30 kit and getting whole system stable was piece of cake, just selecting DOCP II profile and making sure that UCLK is equal to MCLK. I was able to undervolt VDDIO to 1.100V (UEFI shows 1.128V as actual value) and VSoC to 1.155V (local reading 1.445V) and on 7950X I can pass any OCCT or Prime95 test you can think of. TL/DR my current undervolt profile: CPU: 7950X - Curve optimiser = -15 all cores - Vcore offset = -0.040 - PPT/TDC/EDC = 250/200/240 - VSoC = 1.155 V - VDDIO = 1.100 V RAM: G-Skill 64 GB 6000 MT/s CL30 - DOCP II preset - UCLK = MCLK (by default my mobo sets 0.5 * MCLK)

[@dimitriosbolbasis6896]

Went with a set of kingston set KF560C32RSK2-96 (6000MT/s 32-38-38 1.35V) which is m-die hynix on a 7900x and asus prime x670e motherboard. Just wanted to report that I tried your " Low effort Single rank Hynix 16Gb A/M-die timings for Ryzen 7000" and it worked flawlessly without any problems so they are valid for duall rank dimms also(at least for mine). Would appreciate if you updated the fields that refered to dual ram-> tWRWRSD and tRDRDSD: AUTO (only relevant for dual rank)

[@renzcarlosalanga6077]

I wish I had watched this before buying 16gb x 4 ddr5 ram for fuck sake

[@Caboose2563]

I got a 4x32 setup at work and it was a pain getting it stable at a measly 5200 MT/s on a 13900K. The kit was rated for 5600.

[@darchandarchan7036]

is it corsair dominator platinum?

[@Caboose2563]

@@darchandarchan7036 No it is G.Skill I believe.

[@nhbjhbbhbhgvb]

@@darchandarchan7036 I wanted 128gb so I got 2 sets of Corsair dominator titanium (2x32) 6600 cl32. I was able to get them 100% stable at 5600 cl34. I have seen people running 128gb at 6000 with the Kingston ram. How big of a difference in frames does it really make though? Going from 5600 to 6000 to 6600? Like people obsess over it but how much does it actually help in game

[@hsyndicate7585]

I have a 4x16 using gskills trident z M die running 6000 28 38 38 30. It can be touchy when trying to dial it in and if you misstep you can end up with a softbrick but once you get it set right it can be stable. Although it is a pain sometimes, I actually avoided some bios updates to not have to go through the process. I know a 2x32 would be easier but I had those sticks and I am sorta a masochist. This is with a x670 elite ax and a 5900 x3d.

My gskill samsung 64GB ran only 5200MHz and heated to 54C during counterstrike 2 with 300 fps. CL timing was 40.

[@grapeandwhiskey]

Listen to this guy. He's awesome and straight forward. I've done what he has since I was a kid but I still come here and learn more from your videos. Thanks for these.

[@zongopbongo]

Thank you, I find these sorts of videos really really helpful and much appreciated!

[@MaxNakfoor]

The most annoying thing about ddr5 stability imo is that the memory can be unstable but rarely causes crashes or bluescreens. You basically have to be at broken levels of stability to see obvious problems. Meanwhile something that might appear stable but isn't will likely just cause some performance degradation. The only way to know for sure is to run VT3 overnight, which I really think anyone who runs 6800 or higher should do.

[@PowellCat745]

35:20 2x24GB 6400 CL32 is actually very doable on AM5 with the latest AGESA. I don’t think anyone needs to down clock for them to work. That’s why G.Skill released a 2x24GB 6400 CL32 EXPO kit.

[@andrewvirtue5048]

G.Skill the champ! 😎

[@outa7192]

@@andrewvirtue5048 Doesn't G.Skill not have thermal pads on their PMIC?

[@andrewvirtue5048]

@@outa7192 Idk. My G.skill hasn't failed me since 2019.

[@steezegod2768]

Doesn't thermal pad performance on pmic only really matter for OC? so that's on you and not something the spec should concern itself with hehe @@outa7192

[@6r3ys0n]

@@outa7192 Yes they have the absolute worst heat spreaders but then again so do most manufacturers. T-Force Create has a good stock HS with thermal pads.

[@yelts24]

I have a 7800X3D with a 4070ti and a MSI b650 edge wifi motherboard. I want ram with cl 30 and 6000mhz minimum. I currently bought the G Skill z5 neo I think it has pretty good RGB and stats. Also, I really love the look of the Corsair dominator ram and I’ve heard you can get “dummy” kits to fill the other two ram slots? That would be ideal.

[@godzilla5549]

For 2x48 GB, I recently got the Corsair 6000 CL30 kit shown at 47:30 and have it running with a 7800X3D on a MSI X670E Carbon. It does take about a minute to boot every time but I haven’t had any issues with it so far, and it will be nice to not worry about running out of memory for a while lol

[@m33_r6]

Disable USB legacy, enable hotplug ALL SATA, enable Memory Context Restore(memory power down ENABLED). Compare startup time.

[@darkotteroo]

@@m33_r6How do you do that like in which sections are in the BIOS what you said?

[@Taldirok]

@@m33_r6 Make sure you have memory power down ENABLED if you use MCR, you need both enabled or both disabled, you can't mismatch.

[@m33_r6]

Yes, that's right.

[@Isaiiahii]

I have 2X24GB 7200Mhz CL34 Teamgroup RAM with a 7950x3D on an ASRock X670E Taichi Carrara with tighter than XMP custom timings running good. The weird thing is that it won't boot with XMP, but does with manual values that are better than XMP. Also, it boots very fast.

[@Euniceiscool]

I was able to get G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB 48GB DDR5 @ 7400 MT/s CL34 (F5-7200J3646F24GX2-TZ5RK) on an MSI MPG Z790 CARBON WIFI DDR5 with an Intel i9-14900k. It ain't much, but it's honest work getting that extra 200 MHz on the RAM. I could post 7800 but after a few days I couldn't figure out how to stabilize it with the voltages so I gave up.

[@Tpecep]

How tf? I have Tomahawk z790, 7400 kit and 14700k. It doesnt even go for 7000mhz. What your voltages are?

[@Euniceiscool]

@@Tpecep well, you can't copy mine, you'll have to find your own settings, but here's what I have: CPU SA - 1.250 CPU VDDQ - 1.400 CPU VDD2 - 1.400 CPU PLL SFR - 0.990 RING PLL SFR - 0.990 SA PLL SFR - 0.990 MC PLL SFR - 1.050 DRAM DIMM - 1.400 DRAM DIMM VDDQ - 1.400 2N 34-46-16-46 TRAS 32 TRFC2 592 TRFCPB 392 TREFI 65535 TRRD 4 TRRDL 10 TRTP 12 TFAW 16 TCWL 22 TCKE 4 TRDRDSG 14 TRDRDDG 8 TWRWRSG 14 TWRWRDG 8 TRDWRSG 20 TRDWRDG 20 TWRRDSG 64 TWRRDDG 42 TWRPRE 48 TRDPRE 8 TXPDLL 2 TRPRDEN 4 TRDPDEN 4 If I remember correctly, BZ recommended trying with and without round trip latency enabled and with late command training disabled. This is not financial advice.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@Tpecep intel memory controller RNG

[@Ben-ld1qi]

@@Tpecep I have Tomahawk as well, it does 7400, currently using latest BIOS H9. CPU VDDQ Auto 1.4v, CPU VDD2 Auto 1.43v, SA Manual 1.2v. DRAM VDD / VDDQ 1.45v You can be %100 sure these voltages (besides DRAM) can be lowered, I just did not bother. Try to run it on loose timing first i.e. 7400 36-46-46-46-115. My kit does 34-43-43-43 and 32-43-43-43 (but requires a lot more DRAM VDD). It does not even require active cooling to pass stress testing. RAM is stable up to about 80c but only reaches 70c in testing. This is with subtimings manually tuned as well.

[@funbucket09]

​@@EuniceiscoolI didn't see the last line of your comment. I used the info to invest my life savings in crypto and now I've got no crypto as well as no money (on top of my awful ram timings). It's all your fault!!!

[@sjoerd104]

I have a vengeance 6000CL30 (Cpu-z reports hynix) 2x16 kit and a 7800x3d. Im running it at 6000mhz (2033 FCLK) with expo primary timings and the other timings from buildzoid. 6200 boots fine but the north bridge clock halves; is that normal and/or anything to worry about in terms of performance? Thanks

[@overduetax]

"If you don't care about overclocking, then I don't know why you're watching this video." I'll tell you why, Buildzoid. I started overclocking with an AMD K6 CPU in like 1998 (i'm 37 now lol) and while I don't really overclock anymore, I still have a love for the craft of modifying and tweaking PC's. I'm in the market for a 14700K and just would like a nice stable 7000+ memory kit so this video helped! Keep up the good work, love listening to the rambling while I'm cooking for my kids and hopefully will teach them this hobby in due time. Cheers.

[@robertharper3754]

Damn, now I feel old looking at my old Intel 100mhz that I started on! 😰😱😢😭

[@funbucket09]

So you do care about overclocking.

[@1sredna]

Hey buildzoid, do you have any comment on running EXPO ram on a Intel platform?

[@StishFicks]

I love how nobody talked about memory controllers in the DDR3/DDR2 days. And I especially love buying a motherboard with 4 dimm slots only to use 2.

[@gozutheDJ]

buy a 2 dimm then and stop whining.

[@abelgutierrez3603]

It was not a big deal for most, but it was still talked about. For instance my 2600K topped out around 2200 DDR3 tight timings. But my 4970K could do 2666 ultra tight timings. That setup was a beast. Memory has always been important to me. DDR4 was mostly dominated by Samsung B die, if I recall correctly b die was released around the 6700K/7700K era, so a year or so after DDR4 was introduced into mainstream.

[@StishFicks]

@@gozutheDJ Okay, champion. I don't know how you think I'm whining based on the fact I specifically stated "I especially love buying a motherboard with 4 dimm slots only to use 2."

[@alemanmx1980]

Because it was on the chipset and not inside the CPU

[@willjohnsonjohnson]

I was there. Memory controllers were talked about. Some CPUs couldn't run certain memory ICs at high frequencies because the memory controller didn't support high enough memory timings. Most Athlon II couldn't do much more than DDR3 2000, while the Phenom II could do 2200+. For Intel, DDR2 and early DDR3 was on the chipset, but was the same concept. Sometimes you got unlucky with a bad motherboard.

[@Sarajiel]

Small tip for getting Hynix A-/M-die sticks: check for AMD EXPO self certification reports by the manufacturer. Kingston & G.Skill are excellent at those. My personal experience with 128 GB RAM on AM5: Two Kingston KF560C36BBEK2-64 kits (4 sticks) on an Aorus B650E Master with a R9-7950X3D run DDR5-5600 (2nd XMP/EXPO profile) out of the box. Drawback is that you have to retrain memory each boot, which takes 147 seconds into Win 10 Pro. After some fiddling with timings, I nowadays run 28-36-28-30 (1.435V)* with tight sub-timings. Stress testing took me about two weeks and I had to strap a 80mm Noctua fan for the memory sticks onto the back of my RTX 4090 for reliable operation. Works great for my Unreal Engine 5 & DaVinci Resolve virtual production stuff. 😇😋 *edit: typo & more info

You went from CL36 to CL28? Then can those CL30 sticks go CL22?

[@silfrido1768]

In my experience it doesn’t matter whether the ram says xmp or amd expo. if you have a really good board you’ll be able to get 7200-7800mhz on amd with xmp or expo sticks. This will work with a 7800x3d. idk about other cpus at the moment. Currently running 7200 cl 34-44-44-84 1.4v (xmp ready) on a b650 aorus elite pro ax I’ve paired with my 4070ti & a 7800x3d. Keep in mind tho… anything passed 6400mhz will have your system running uncoupled. However… the latency is way lower & the fps is way more stable compared to when my system was 1:1 with 6400 cl32-39-39-102 1.4v. Another disclaimer about my mobo… I have 2 settings & without those I would have been f’d lol. Anyone with this board should have “ high bandwidth support “ & low latency support “ turned on.

@@silfrido1768 Whats low latency sup equivalent in msi x670 tomahawk? High efficiency mode?

@@silfrido1768 Today I bought trident z5 neo rgb 6000 32-38-38-96-130. Guess its hynix-m. Should I give "high efficiency" mode of tomahawk mobo a try? Tight? Tightest? I see 59ns in aida64 with 2133fclk, 50000 tREFI, some disabled features. I wont oc. Just tighten.

[@Sarajiel]

@ Keep in mind that those sticks are underclocked and ran at 1.435V for CL28 since I need 128+ GB for my work-related stuff. No idea how fast they go at higher speeds, because my 7950X3D can't even do 6200MT/s stable with a single 64GB kit. 😪 After playing around with some 96GB G.Skill kits and encountering some weird crashes involving the SuperIO chip, I'm using the 128GB setup at 30-36-30-30 @1.35V atm, until I get a better RAM fan to keep the sticks below 60°C during Furmark+Prime95 torture testing. @silfrido1768 Looking at the EXPO certification isn't about speeds or timings, it's about finding out which chips are used in a certain SKU. 🤓 For example, the Kingston kit I mentioned is Hynix A-die only according to the self-certification report, while lower speed bins or smaller sizes of the same Kingston series can be both Hynix M-die, A-die or some Micron/Spectek chips. Sadly, the hard part is finding those certification reports on the manufacturer's website.

[@Дмитрий-с3п4ы]

Thank you so much for your videos bz! Really good info about which ram to choose. Previous one about DDR5 RAM make me to choose right one sticks. So I'm now running perfectly fine 7200 cl34-42-42-84 1.45 v patriot viper venom on asus z790 TUF and 13700k. At first I was trying to find team group ones, coz they have lower heatsink than patriot, and didn't find in local online shops, so now I'm happy with the patriot. 2000x(cl34):7200=9.4ns🎉. And for 7000xmp, that I will try later 2000x(cl32):7000=9.1ns.

[@jettbezos8074]

I just finished my build with the three month old buying guide so i know this guide will help some one else love this kind of long content thank you oh and i watch this in full multiple times makes buying stuff not confusing

[@RangerAmateur]

For the 5600 C46 kit, it's really interesting. I have 2 kits on two different 7800X3D, I can't even do Trcd 40 at 6400/C30, meanwhile I can't go below 500 Trfc so it can't be M die. The sweet spot so far for me is 6200 C28-36 at 1.46V. Oh also the Trp can't go below 36 which is weird for A die.. For 6400 C32 kits, especially those 1.4V ones, at least all G.skill kits are overwhelmingly M die lately, I'm actually quite surprised

[@Ben-ld1qi]

Yeah, a friend recently picked up GSkill 6400c32 and it was M. The TG kit 5600c46 also was M. During 11/11 I purchased KingBank 6400c32 guaranteed A-Die for $80, will see how they hold up on the Apex.

[@Just-Random-Gamer]

Isn't memory voltage limited to 1.35v for amd 7000 after the CPU burned thing?

[@NVMDSTEvil]

@@Just-Random-Gamer no, memory voltage was never a problem.

[@jaszjsz]

I have one that's M-die. TRFC2 can do 320 on 6400 via 12900k.

[@Ben-ld1qi]

Just an update the KingBank 6400c32 doing 8000 38-48-48-44 at 1.43 vdimm (did not try lower vdimm) in 1:2 on the Gigabyte B650M Aorus Elite AX. Passes HCI, ycruncher VT3. Didn't need to activately cool the memory. The heatsinks are probably not that great because the 2 other heatsink-less kits I have run a few degrees cooler. But at least they look nice, RGB is alright too. They also do 6400c28 at 1.5v, no active cooling required.

[@AnaKk1N]

Hey, could you please make a video for ram timings on a dual rank 2x32gb ram for ryzen 7000? I have a G.Skill 2x32gb cl32 6000mhz and I ran your settings on that video. Worked fine a few days till today when I started getting bsods and bios freezes every minute. Went back to EXPO II and it fixed.

[@funbucket09]

Sounds like you got it sorted mate.

[@Just-Random-Gamer]

Went from a 2*16g 6000 c30 team group kit to the 2*24g 6400 c32 gskill z5 neo kit, runs without issue with 7800x3d on msi b650 edge so far. Was thinking about the 2*32g 6400 c32 kit but that was rated for 1.4v and I'm worried after the CPU burned thing and mem voltage got limited at 1.35v. Btw, didn't notice much performance diff in game after the upgrade lol.

[@MyAmazingUsername]

Those should both be within 1% of each other's FPS. One has lower latency. One has higher data rate. In the end, same result. Especially since games care more about low latency than high data rates.

[@nicholaswicks3077]

I honestly don’t understand why they won’t just upgrade the memory controller on the higher end cpus

[@AnonymousUser-ww6ns]

They should. But I think they didn’t do it to save costs and rake in profits which is unacceptable if you are spending a lot of money on a cpu.

[@unsivilaudio]

Instructions unclear. Bought 4x16gb.

[@JamieTDC]

I’ve just bought 32gb Corsair dominator titanium 6600MTs ddr5 and I can’t get it to post and my motherboard is a gigabyte z790 elite ax. Could it be my i5 12600k it’s constantly on a orange cpu light on the motherboard and won’t post at all

[@MrRillesemo]

Got 2x24GB 8GHz (G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RW) to pair with my X670e Gene, quite happy, lowering latency was quite easy :) EDIT (7800X3D)

[@waym9409]

I have the same kit and the same board but a 7950X3D. What timings did you use?

[@MrRillesemo]

@@waym9409 Eh IIRC 38-44-44-128 CR1 and the rest I forgot, can't look right now. Voltage is 1.35v, Just loaded XMP and made the tweaks where it needed it.

[@MrRillesemo]

@@noir-13 I haven't tried that, and I might not do it, stuff is stable as it is :) Going to need it working the next few weeks.

[@alb.1911]

Thank you.

[@dynamlllilte4230]

This is video is a MASTERPIECE ON RAM❤❤❤ Thanks so much for this invaluable information.❤❤❤

[@PAIN-ot4cj]

What’s max safe voltage for the memory controller and ivr transmitter vddq voltage on 14th gen for daily use

[@Private.Person]

I got a 4x32 Kingston KF556C40BBK2-64 (2 set), i.e. 128 Gb total. They are on SK Hynix A-die chips, works fine @ 5600 with XMP on ASUS Prime Z790-P and i9-13900K (boxed). All tests done - Karhu, y-cruncher, memtest86 (8 hours for 4 pass), and others. Perfect stability at all.

[@catonturtle3202]

for 2×8 i think KF552C36BBEK2-16 are A-die (according to some qvls) and here in France you can save 40 bucks over anything 2×16 guaranteed hynix

[@Profetorum]

2x8 looks really like a bad idea, honestly. Like ok you want to pay less money...go ddr4 on an older ryzen?

[@qfan8852]

So for 128GB, still stay with DDR4?

[@brenbot2]

what 2x48 should i pair with a 13900ks on z690?

[@SgtBluntman]

Youre the best for making content like this! Is there a Mobo roundup, or did i miss it?

[@ICANHAZKILLZ]

Yeah 4 days ago, go to the past streams section. It's PEAK ramble and a grand 10 hours long lmao

[@SgtBluntman]

@@ICANHAZKILLZ omg.. ill find and comb thru it.

[@sincitystone]

I could only get 6000 to work but not really stable with 2x48(x2) trident zs.. they are rated for 6400cl32, but even at 5600 I still had issues with random crashes and other instability. 4800 was the fastest that was actually stable. I switched to just the 2x48 6400xmp tweaked profile and is working much better for now. Going to try again soon once I get my other build up and running. This was all before watching this video and a couple others Use case for these are mostly workstations for 3d cad and other stuff, gaming a bonus. Had a threadripper build in cart and decided to go with 2 workstations for the price of the one.. still miles ahead of what I had before either way. Originally I was going for 2x systems with 96gb, but I wanted to see if I could overcome the stability issues I've heard of with DDR5.. Wish me luck, definitely more confident I can get more stability out of my 2 kits since I've gotten a little more familiar with the 14th gen cpu.. my first high end intel build in 15 years and I get to keep it!

[@Djk0t]

Hey Buildzoid, great video, thank you. Between a Hynix kit of 2x32 or the corsair vengeance 2x48 6600 c32 gb that you recommend which one would your choose? Would it work at 6800 c32 with your settings that you shared for the Hardware unboxed video? They run perfect with 2x16 Hynix m Kingston kit with a 13700 at 6800 c32. Or is better to try 6600 c32 with same timings ? Happy New Year to you and all of the fellow hobbyists. Just for reference Only using the pc for gaming simulators like msfs , iracing.MB gigabyte gaming x z790, 4090.

[@raulland4830]

i have this kit F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5NR along with 7800x3d I also play DCS simulator and works just fine

[@aliensounddigital8729]

Planning on getting x770/e or whatever the next amd mobos will be. Skipping x650/e and x670/e series.

[@ImportRace]

Same over here

[@AnonymousUser-ww6ns]

Same here. Processor and motherboard manufacturers need to do better with DRR5 support. Otherwise it’s a lose lose situation for everybody.

[@bashke_]

I got AsRock B650M-HDV/M.2 and Ryzen 5 7500F. Is there any difference between XMP and EXPO memory kits? I'm considering G.Skill Flare X5 or Ripjaws S5, both 6000 CL30 or CL32, depending on which one is available.

[@ZioG]

What did you go for eventually? Results?

[@OPGamified]

I don’t have plans to overclock my memory, but still wanna learn more about these stuff😂

[@manuelortega5035]

Good content, but man i need x3 speed up.

[@AnonymousUser-ww6ns]

So basically DRR5 is unstable for the processors memory controller and the motherboard. This is completely unacceptable. I would have thought that both AMD and Intel would have improved their memory controller so that it can run DRR5 at high speeds. But no they didn’t. Also the motherboard manufacturers should also properly link the DRR5 signaling as well no Daisy chaining. Just because of that I’m going to wait for Intel 15th gen with a new motherboard platform called the Z890. Or if going for AMD the Ryzen 9000 with the new B750/E or X770/E. They better fix it otherwise people are going to slowly give up on pc building. Also if I were to buy DRR5 today I would go with 2 stick of 32GB RAM @ 5600MHZ or to be on the safe side 5200MHZ (Note that 6000MHz can work but people seem to be playing the luck game with those) If I were to populate all of the RAM slots in the near future I would just go with the cheapest DRR5 possible. I would get the Curial one @4800MHZ knowing that the memory control will probably get stressed and will slow it down to around 3600MHZ for stability. If I needed that much ram that would be a tradeoff that I would be willing to accept. Honestly I kind of wish that DRR5 didn’t exist to begin with. Also it’s been 2 years now since it’s released. So it’s Sad that this is still happening. I sometimes wish that DRR5 didn’t exist.

[@michaelcarson8375]

It's not big deal to stress test a new system with a large amount of ram. The reason I say this is you should stress test your new system while you do what you need to do on the OLD system BEFORE you decide to get rid of your old system. Often times people make the mistake of selling or parting out the old system before getting a new system. The reason it's a mistake is you do not know the way the new parts will react to the system you want to have up and running as the new configuration might have have issues you were not expecting and maybe you need to wait for a bios update to come out to fix these issues. In the end it's not like you can make ALL your money back on the old system unless you happen to have parts that are in high demand.

[@overduetax]

This is wise advice. Treat your new build as pre-production and run it through all the QA tests you need. The only caveat is people on a budget sometimes can't afford this. They have to sell their current build, scrounge up all the cash they can and then just dive in. It sucks but I do understand as I was there once.

[@NVMDSTEvil]

Genius. WIll get right onto slotting some DDR5 into my old DDR4 board.

[@overduetax]

@@NVMDSTEvil He said test the NEW system while your OLD system is still functional. I'm literally doing that this weekend. I've got a 14700K board just sitting in open air running y cruncher and testing vcore settings while my current box is doing all my daily tasks. I don't know what you're on about?

[@NVMDSTEvil]

@@overduetax I misread something, not sure where I thought they were talking about putting the new ram into the old system to test with? Also this is based on building an entire new system, not upgrading a system. Maybe that is where I thought of it.

[@overduetax]

hey i like your faming videos! off topic i know but thats so cool how much the GPS helps on those tractors@@NVMDSTEvil

[@benjaminreynolds3659]

Just started the vid but I recently bought G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series 96GB (2 x 48GB) DDR5 6400 Model F5-6400J3239F48GX2-TZ5RK working awesome for my needs. Probably trash though eh?

[@funbucket09]

Nah cobber if it's meeting your needs it isn't trash.

[@kairos__]

If you downclock from 6000 to 5600 but keep the timings the same, will that inprove stability?

[@KeinNiemand]

The 2x32GB at 6000 CL 32-38-38-96 I bought ended up beeing Hynix M die, so it is still possible to get M die.

[@funbucket09]

What are these dimms registered on anyway? Confirmed sex offenders list? I would steer clear of registered dimms just on principal.

[@ranggiarohmansani]

Just bought 7200mhz kit to makes sure I get A-die and run it at 6000mhz peacefully.

[@plushquasar653]

Any plans on doing a dual rank DDR5 timing video?

[@Taldirok]

I'm using the single rank timings on my dual rank kit and it works well, although i left the dual rank timings at default expo.

[@zlibz4582]

cani get the gskill 16gb 5600mhz for my i5 12400 and h610 asus mobo ? will it be good choice ?

[@stasik4anskiifullon604]

But here no word about EXPO. Is there need of EXPO for AMD or it doesn't matter and XMP will be the same and don`t do any difference?

[@Praetorr]

Hey Buildzoid, great video! Quick question for you: I recently ordered the G.SKILL 24GB x 2 6400MT/s CL32 kit. Would you expect that your old "easy memory timings for Hynix..." speed / timings would still work for these 24bit chips? I'm going to try Expo on my 7800x3d, but not expecting it to work at that speed.

[@dimitriosbolbasis6896]

They worked for me with 2x48gb 6000 32-38-38 1.35 with Asus prime x670e and 7900x on the first try.

[@BestMomentsTwitch]

will ddr5 flare x5 30-38-38-96 will work with asrock hdv m2 b650? maybe anyone knows answer please

[@liftedcj7on44s]

I'm running the T-create 2x24 7200 kit at 8400 CL 38 1.47VDD/VDDQ on a 14900k/Apex Encore setup. Karhu,TM5 and Y-cruncher stable. The good thing about the 2x24 7200 kit's is they are pretty much all the same kit from 7200 on up and are the new Hynix M-die.

[@RNG-999]

Yeah my CL34 7200Mhz 16Gb x 2 kit is also Hynix MJR-die. And it runs well. Do you think I could push these up to 7800Mhz? My motherboard supports up to 8000Mhz but that's too much for too little imo.

[@liftedcj7on44s]

@@RNG-999 those are different than the M-die in the 2x24gb kits. If you have a motherboard that has more than 4 dimm slots trying to go past 7600 will be hard.

[@johnboy2436]

You got the part number to the ram sticks your using? Im using 2x16gb a-die with icemans heat sinks at 8400 cl34. 1.62 on both with a ram fan. 14900k. 1.3tx, 1.2sa. 1.5mc. I need these newer sticks as i can lower my voltages/heat.

[@silfrido1768]

the specs tho ❤

[@Isaiiahii]

I have the same kit on my 7950x3D X670E system. I haven't tried anything higher than 7200MHZ though, but it runs rock solid at 7200Mhz with tight custom timings.

[@Crossfire2003]

I do not care about overclocking, but I did watch the video.

[@chomper720]

If me 4 sticks of Crucial, done!

[@xiphosNL]

Thanks for your super video as always, always interesting to watch and learn from it. However, I have a question about the DDR5 RAM modules vs supported memory from the motherboard manufacturer. From chapter 31:18 2x24GB kits you mentioned G.Skill Ripjaws DDR5 RAM modules, but the motherboard "ASUS ProArt Z790-CREATOR" doesn't support it for the Intel 14th gen CPU. What should I do? Stick to the supported memory modules from the list on the Asus website? In combination with 14900K CPU.

[@TheMrInadecuada]

If it's not on the qvl it doesn't mean that the motherboard will not support it. It's just that there was no testing done on this particular memory kit by the mobo manufacturer. If the store you're buying from has a good return policy, you are welcome to try it out.

[@josephdelaney1598]

dominator titanium vs trident z5 cl30 6000 mhz is all i want to no ???

[@kerotomas1]

From what i have gathered the G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32gb 7600Mhz/Cl36 kit is 100% A-die if someone is looking for a cheaper Hynix A-die. 7200 and most of the 7400 kits are just M-die.

[@Ben-ld1qi]

Is this regarding 2x16GB? I personally have not encountered a single 2x16GB 7200c34 GSkill kit that has not been A-Die. Are there even any GSkill 7200 MDie kits? That would be very unlikely. The 7600 kit might ultimately end up being a slightly better A-Die bin, but not always necessarily. In general tho, the GSkill 7200 kit is very solid. Their heatspreaders tho...

[@kerotomas1]

@@Ben-ld1qi yes you are right the 7200 cl 34 is A-die my mistake then

[@almighal]

please, can any expert answer? I have a 7800x3d and an MSI x670e... I can't get the RAM to run at 6200/6400 or even at 6000 without crashing and with basic timing... what could it be? Is it the CPU's fault? or could it be the faulty motherboard? or in these cases the motherboard has nothing to do with it?

[@definitelyhexed]

You checked white colour only for some reason.

[@ElijahSamsonWiltonChen]

it would be cool if youd cover ecc udimms too

[@zhaf]

Someone is going to make so much money making dummy DDR5 sticks with just the RGB lights so people can populate all the slots with Christmas light vomit.

[@ronnyspanneveld8110]

just going to upgrade my 5900x GB Master x570 2x16Gb G.skill 4000Mhz c16-16-16-36 with 2000 on the imc and if (i need 64gb so going AM5) So i think lets make some COFFEE and watch that rambling guy on yt to see if we got the memory right. Gone for an 7800x3d, Asus x670E Creator, and 2x32Gb G.skill Trident z5 6000Mhz c30 (bought the XMP one since that was 30$ cheaper then that EXPO stuff) So should work. else i get back here and ramble myself :P

[@gerald8289]

I dono if I'm just super unlucky but I have a 32gb 6000 m-die kit along with a 13700kf and I can't get it over 6000 no matter what I do. I was using a 690 elite AX and though it was maybe the problem, so i got a 790 elite ax and its the same. It seems more stable on the 790 now, but still even just trying 6200, wont post. It will do 6000 tuning timings fine though. Maybe I have a total dogshit imc? or maybe faulty sticks.

[@Marksm50]

Dogshit cpu probably. I just upgraded to ddr5 with my 12700k and runs 7200mhz xmp no probs

[@xXRealXx]

I have a 7600X with a ASUS ROG Strix B650E-E with Gskill Trident F5-6400J3239G16GX2-TZ5RS 2x16GB DDR5 RAM at 6400 MHz CL32 and it's been rock solid on it's DOCP I profile (DOCP II looks the same to me in the UEFI) since I bought it in September. I haven't tuned it manually, I just run it in the default DOCP I profile. PBO Enhancement is enabled with the 80C target (90C traget doesn't increase my CPU's clockspeed, just increases the CPU temps by like 3C for no benefit).

[@salehabdulla9177]

Which Z790 motherboard is best for 4 ddr5 7200mhz? I'm using ASUS 690 hero it doesn't work with 4 kit. right now, I'm using only 2.

[@pradeepchinna5545]

I think messed up big time by buying G.Skill DDR5-7200 CL34 kit for "13600K/Gigabyte Z790 Gaming X". They all are in transit, let's see how lucky I get.

[@LegitBacKd00rNiNJa69]

can you conisder dark mode for PCpartpicker

[@Carbon_]

well, i should have watched this video before buying

[@spudz7405]

My r7 7800x3d didnt run at 6000 no post

[@kmered1]

got my irs refund and decided to go with 2x48 6400mhz rip jaws you spoke about for my 7950x3d. ill downclock it 6200 or 6000. cant wait to try it out.

[@unnamedsoldier1]

Bought Chinese 32gb 6800 MHz kit for $80. Preparing for pain in the ass xD

[@matvii329]

Kingbank one?

[@rodiculous9464]

Had no idea there was so much to ram

[@gallahant]

I have limited options from where i can buy memory. Is the corsair vengeance 2x32gb 6000MT/s 30-36-3-76 1.40v an sk hynix die? I want to pair them with an i7-14700.

[@Ravenx217]

i cant even get 6600Mhz to run what a shit memory controller i got. 14900KS needs to drop already.

[@ejosephsimon]

I have a set of 2x16 Team Group T-Force DDR5 6800MHZ 34-44-44-84, On a 13700K ASUS ROG Strix Z790-A Gaming WiFi, i enabled XMP Tweaked then bumped the speed to 7200, stability tested with mem test & Karhu all stable. then one of my sticks stopped working. My question is i can get the same Team Group Kit but the 7200MT/s kit for the same price as the 6800 kit I'm returning. IF i could run the 6800 kit @ 7200 i should be able to run the 7200 kit right?

[@chriss1558]

i was too late to watch this, now i have Samsung ddr5 6000mhz, it feels 90% stable, i run couple stress test for few hour and it pass, but when in gaming session sometime my game just close ,what to do now ? the crash is haunted me, i don't want to go to raid with friend and my game randomly close

[@Tsharkeye]

I really need 128gb of ram (a weird niche as a film composer that used a lot of VSTi's). Maybe i can manage with 96gb. Do you think the 2x64gb that will come in the future will be any good?

[@Aviduduskar]

Any 2x48 (6000 MT) GB dual-channel kit suggestions preferably with EXPO for an Asus X670E-E? All I found was CMK96GX5M2B6000C30 which isn't EXPO and the reviews are mixed.

[@2Kaleb]

43:24 Luckily I watched this video before buying Crucial 2x16 5600 CL46 for 69€. It would be a scam?

[@NotAFanMan88]

I'm one of those stupid people that got 4x16 (Hynix M) but still running at 6000 30-36-36-76 on one of the memory-try-it settings on an MSI AMD board. No clue.

[@felicityc]

Can you show some, like, quantitative data over these signalling issues? This seems like a fake or at least exaggerated issue at a consumer, non-sensitive level.

[@mylittlepwny3447]

All the people buying 4 stucks for aesthetic reasons are stupid. Ill take it one step further, anyone huying a 4 dimm mobo for a gaming PC is dumb. 2 dimm ddr5 mobos are the only ones that make sense.

[@_ynnek]

Everything in my country is atleast 130$ to get a good ram kit for example the Corsair RGB 6000C36 is 130$ the rest is history

[@conpa18dany]

My Ryzen 7800X3D paired with DDR5 6400 CL32 system is running flawlessly

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

Sometimes you win the silicon lottery. You just shouldn't expect to win the silicon lottery.

[@conpa18dany]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking exactly, it’s happened twice already. I won it before with an AMD FX 8350 that was able to be stable OC to 4.8 GHz

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@conpa18dany 4.8GHz is kinda normal for FX8350s. A gold FX8350 would be like 5.2GHz on watercooling.

[@AjintaMusashi]

I got gskill 6400 cl32 2x16gb kit last december for 13900k on strix Z790 motherboard. I got an A die version and it can run at 7000 cl 38 41 41 41 easily and stable. I think this kit is still one of the best to get.

[@AjintaMusashi]

and stable I mean...almost a year of usage after 24h karhu pass.

[@funbucket09]

Ok

[@_RedWizard]

I got the 4x32 Corsair dimms you looked at at Black Friday for like $270. I'm currently running at 5200. Wouldn't boot with EXPO so had to judt manually set it.

[@silentnoobkilla]

I currently own a Asus z690-a board with 6000mhz cl36 i9 13900k. Would I be able to get a newer ram kit for example 7200mhz kit or would my board be the limiting factor forcing me to upgrade to a z790 board ?

[@notexactlyrocketscience]

bought samsung b-die corsair ddr6000 cl36. z790 aorus elite ax, 13600k. used buildzoid guides to "tighten" timings, cl 30 etc primaries and also some important secondary timings. doesn't like being clocked higher now. i have aida values of 62ns latency and 90Gb/s read and write. 1T didn't work. quite happy though. y cruncher hasn't complained so far, will have to run a few more longer tests. last ram i modified was ddr2 way back. crazy how much has changed and how many more options are now exposed to users.

[@ChrispyNut]

Thanks for the help and the lols @ roasting companies. I wanna rant @ all the ramblings for the normies, but this is content for nomish, so, I'll forgive ... this once 😉

[@Veptis]

I am planing a workstation build right now. And I need more than 32GB capacity. There are 2x32GB gskil kits with 6800 cl34 as well as Corsair 6400 CL32 for about the same price in the store I am shopping at. I am not sure if 2x24 would be enough capacity for this build but 2x48 seems overkill.

[@funbucket09]

True

[@wombatcombat3770]

Is there a long enough period now that we know what optimal speed to purchase DDR5 RAM? DDR4 was between 3600 - 4000 mhz. Any higher is diminishing returns.

[@bosco9028]

Interesting you claim there are no Hynix A-Die 6000 kits with a higher CAS than 32. I purchased a Kingston Fury Beast 5600 CL36 2X32GB (64GB) kit earlier this year. The non-RGB older heat spreader design with both EXPO/XMP profiles on it and I can confirm it is Hynix A-Die. Kingston no longer sell this particular kit but I picked up dirt cheap during a sale. I've got it stable (24hr Karhu no errors) at 7200 on a Z790 Tachyon.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

So actually the reason I decided to go with the clock + CL rules that I went with for this video is that I really didn't want to go through the intricacies of how say 6000 36-38-38 from Kingston is typically Hynix. While 6000 36-36-36 from various vendors is samsung. Also that a lot 6000 40-40-40 or 6400 40-40-40 is also Hynix. So I decided to just not include anything that is typically Hynix but doesn't have timings that require Hynix.

[@IDDQD1984]

This is really informing video to watch. Help me to choose at pricepoints or performance. Before i wrote-> I think i bougt DDR2 OCZ 800mhz or something, maybe a bit higher but then it was just mhz. Got it becouse it have a heatpipe on both sticks. I wont regret a buy. It was ~300€ for 2 sticks. I have nice time with my Q6600@4ghz, "downclocked" to 3,8 and that was how i played 9 years until PSU blow up and it was enought. Theres 1 between, got some components like haf 700 evo and PSU from seasonic wich i know can last( taking few months to choose what i buy, waterstuff and so on...)

[@LegitMaan]

I bought a TeamGroup 32GB 6000 cl30 kit for my 13600K/ASUS Z790-A and the XMP profile sets the SA and IMC voltages to 1.249v and 1.332v respectively. Are those safe voltages for 24/7?

[@gangstahhh]

hey i have a 13th gen i9 6000 32x2kit is it a waste of time if i was to upgrade to a ddr5 7600mhz kit

[@McLongSausage]

Buildzoid, just watched a video where a guy set a 7950X3D to -40 in Curve Optimizer and then adjusted the LLC setting to Extreme on a Aorus Motherboard to keep it stable, just wondering how safe you think this is?

[@funbucket09]

Very