Rambling about the Ryzen 5000 series CPUs

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[@jordibt1789]

Did you know that SuperPi is actually real world performance? -Intel Marketing Team

[@DNAReader]

Actually, SuperPi is legitimately irrational world performance :)

[@AgentLokVokun]

Also Intel: Benchmarks don't matter!

[@Dr_b_]

lol

[@AlBr80]

SuperPI is 32-bit x86 application compiled by the Borland C++ Compiler 5 (1996 year). It makes extensive use of x87 FPU instructions. Thus, SuperPI score was extremely relevant in the last millennium.

[@AkilanKamarajan]

@@DNAReader 👏👏👏👏

[@boban250]

Some youtubers have a stopwatch to measure their videos. Buildzoid has a 30 minute track :D

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

I think I've done this track in 24mins with NOS and a faster car

[@TheLateral18]

That's something I've Wonder, why they say, they have no time or limited amount of time. I'm thinking how 😂

[@stanisawszczypua9076]

Nahh the track is there only to keep VRMs warm and cozy 🤣

[@happygster922]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking hotlapper

[@hari_fyi]

Ultra compressed knowledge tightly packed into 30min videoz

[@Rubentus-]

"Runs really high clock speeds, and is kinda skinny" Kinda like buildzoid :D

[@kylehagertybanana]

he has a huge integrated heatspreader(hair) like I do

[@OCDyno]

I don't have a heat spreader but I have a ton of airflow so it balances out

[@frederikholfeld868]

it depends on ambient temperature (;

And we should STILL wait for the benchmarks :D

[@GameBacardi]

Yes. When Zen2 announced, it should have clock over 4.5GHz. At the end it's around 4.2GHz

[@fishyc43sar]

@@GameBacardi exactly what I'm thinking. And yes, if the price tag doesn't change, people would avoid AMD and settle for Intel.

[@fishyc43sar]

Also, if we look at the pricing vs branding, 5600x is priced at 299usd whereas 3600 was 200usd. This means there's no Product at the 200usd price point. Now, I understand that there's a significant improvement in the IPC, but still, if we look at people who say "you get more performance, so the company deserves to charge you more", doesn't Intel's 10600KF makes more sense than 3600, according to their statement? And if we look at "cheap performance", I'd prefer 3600 and 3300x over AMD's 5th Gen counterparts. I'm not saying Ry5000 is bad, (5900x is a killer for the price), I'm saying "there must be an option for people who don't want to spend much".

[@givemeajackson]

@@fishyc43sar that's gonna come later, they launch the high margin parts first until their supply is plentiful.

[@fishyc43sar]

@@givemeajackson I too hope that... Well if 5300 comes they can have lunch with me;)

[@syth-1]

Imo there's no way amd won't release a xt variant some time later in the year -- just to hit that magic 5GHZ number

[@stale2665]

That does sound likely, if TSMCs process improves ever so slightly. They might save it to have an answer to whatever Intel's cooking up for Q1'21.

[@blackrat1675]

It does pay if your winning to leave your best toys for an instant counter punch to the competitions response

[@604RPM]

They may just launch Zen 4 in late 2021 instead.

[@kaseyboles30]

@@604RPM or both.

[@stargazer162]

I can't wait to pair a 5700XT with a 5700XT

[@lixiaochen6]

More Buildzoid ramblings, yay!

[@TheEternalDreamers]

I can’t wait for the 5950x, and then the next gen of threadripper is gonna be killer

[@TheEternalDreamers]

TurboCMinusMinus my current system is fast enough, I just think new tech is cool, never said I was gonna buy it. Though If you want to know how I afford my tech, listen to my force theme cover

[@Damicske]

@TurboCMinusMinus Depends where you live, I just kept working because there was work and doing social distancing and stuff (I live in Belgium).

[@stargazer162]

64 cores with a 5GHz max single core boost would be pretty insane

[@fishyc43sar]

@@stargazer162 with another $1000 increase in price cuz of Zen 3

[@marcusborderlands6177]

@TurboCMinusMinus "overpaid" they could just be in an important job...

[@BarrettKillz]

One of the best youtubers I've ever stumbled upon. Thank you for your quality content!

[@shpingalet7895]

Smooth driving Smooth rambling :thumbsup:

[@smashface3080]

Except for the poor signs he blasts

[@MajorOutage]

>Smooth driving And the only way to ever accomplish that in NFS World is to race alone. Cuz even if you're in the lead you still have to deal with some sore loser spamming slingshot or traffic magnet.

[@0Wayland]

Really nice to hear your thoughts on new product reveals, thanks for the ramble lol

[@andrewlawrence5299]

love your rambles.

[@rawrss]

@buildzoid Will you do a "rambling about PS5 teardown video"? Interested in your take!

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

I'm waiting for better board shots

[@DNAReader]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking VRAM and NAND are Samsung, I think. The RAM is 16Gb ICs, 14Gbps, disappointing that Samsung doesn't share their raw NAND product page unlike SK Hynix.

[@ZoneofA]

Most amazing part of this video is how good Buildzoid is at this game.

[@Lets_get_wealthy]

Another amazing video mate

[@YourSkyliner]

I keep being amazed at how good you are at this game!

[@The_Chad_]

My 3900XT boosts over 4.8Ghz, and if I remember correctly, I all cored it to like 4.5 or 4.6, but i ended up setting it back to stock w/PBO to keep temps under control in the HTPC case I have it in. But do you think the 5600X will have a lot of overclocking headroom since it's only 65W or do you think they're just binned so low that that's about the best they will do?

[@penguinton7691]

Are you going to tighten timings on video card memory?

[@penningtonlfc]

good video buildzoid,hope you better,hope you trying 5950 with the msi x570 mag tomahawk,

[@p4radigm989]

which board for 5950x or 5900x? I got 2 1080Tis lying around. can somebody recommend a good SLI board for Zen3? thanks! ...with SP/DIF if possible.

[@bmarkx2595]

steve do bike ride video when rambling, buildzoid do car race gaming

[@NightMotorcyclist]

All we need now is someone to fly a plane in Flight Simulator 2020 while rambling.

[@gabrielecarbone8235]

@@NightMotorcyclist like that french ex Intel engineer

[@LinxESP]

@@NightMotorcyclist HUB, were waiting

[@Robert-Wip]

Jeeeeey, a new video from Buildzoid ;-)

[@WTP_DAVE]

The funny thing is i actually watch the video while you talk

[@user-cf6xu5tu4g]

In my country, I can buy 106KF(bulk, with 1year warranty)+Z490M prime plus+samsung B-die based kit at same price as 5600X(expectied price)+B550M DS3H+samsung OEM 8GB. AMD really should've raised their price by ratio, not fixed 50 dollar

[@caribougoo349]

They could drop the ryzen 5 and 7 prices by $50 and raise the ryzen 9 prices by $50. If you're comparing against 3600/3700x msrp, it'd still be a smaller percentage price hike as you go up the stack. Really strange decision.

[@ImTheSlyDevil]

ty for the video, sir.

[@Dr_b_]

ok i kinda want to play that game now, what are you playing ?

[@jacobwhittaker6241]

Can't wait to see what whats coming the Channel! I have a 3900X that I got a few months ago with a Aorus Pro WiFi ITX and a free kit of memory. The cpu runs at 4.25-4.4Ghz in games after using your video on the free gigabyte performance video. I also looked up my MoBo support list to see the new bios available and the checked out the memory support list and the memory support went from I think a Max of 4200Mhz to 5100Mhz which is crazy. lol

[@kar351]

to be honest, I would pay more quickly for a 5950x then for a 3080...

[@LunarLaker]

I think I need a rationale here, are you not using/amortizing the gpu? Are we comparing to conpetitors/previous generation? Assuming MSRP and buying from the latest product stack, you get 33% more cores for $250/45% more dollas (5900x vs 5950x) compared to 47% more SMs for $200/40% more cashiola (3070 vs 3080). If it's about availability, I'd imagine they'd both have supply issues that end around the same time, assuming meaningful Nvidia supply has been made in the last month

[@kar351]

@@LunarLaker I could easily said the same for a 3900x. Lets get real, the only people that need a high end video card are content creators, and gamers that stream (and even on this last one, they do not need high end video card). The thing is, if anyone could remember, when the 2080ti came out and the RX5700xt, there were differences in games. The 2080ti always gave much more fps then a 5700, but at what cost? No one will ever tell me, that my gameplay will be better in any game if I can get more 30 or 40 fps above a 5700 when both cards in almost all games pass 100 fps in high settings. The race to the higher FPS is just bs, a brainwash made by the brands to say "our product is better". In the last steam survey, about 75% of gamers use a Intel, why not? It is still the best CPU in a single core performance, but at a high price, while 25% uses AMD. In the month of september Intel has lost a few points and AMD gain those points. I just think they will be even more distant now. The most popular video card is a 1060 with 10.63% of users, the 2070 super has 2.14% of users, followed by the rx580 with 2.13%, the 2080ti is way bellow with cards like the rx570 and the rx5700 above it, by a minimal margin, granted, but we can see why. The primary resolution used by over 60% of gamers in steam is 1080. So, in that resolution you do not need a high end card, to have a great game experience. Now, if we put dollars in the equation, AMD gets the lead in terms of price / performance / fps. Both for CPU's and GPU's. Even if now, the top of the line from the 5000 series cpu barely pass or reach 10900k, (which to be honest I doubt it) in single core (because we know very well i terms of productivity, AMD already won the war 4 years ago) and even if the new gpu's 6000 series do not get near a 3080 (notice that I did not even mention the 3090) the price / performance comparison will be a win for AMD. Even considering that products from AMD will be a bit more expensive that we were used to. Why not? They know they have a quality product now that can compete with Intel and Nvidia. If that would not be the case, why did Nvidia release the 3080 with that MSRP? They know very well whats coming, probably more then any of us. In a time where efficiency is key and power draw is the norm, they put a product to sale that I have to move house, by a new house near a dam just to feed a hungry 3090, oh, and lets hope I do not overclock otherwise I am going to blow up all the lights on peoples home in my town. The only thing I see good in a 3090 is the amount of ram, nothing else. But for a normal PC consumer, be that a gamer or not, both cards are not worthy. I am not going even to address the OC problems they came out, so in essence, it looks like Nvidia made something on purpose just to get a bit more of performance against the brands that sell the other cards (Asus, MSI, etc), then they release a driver, that slow down the card, a great fix. Or maybe a bad engineering decision from the start. Also, I find it funny, delaying the release of the 3070 after AMD. So, again, they know something, or so they think. They probably think a 3070 will be enough to kill any 6000 series AMD will release, so, they are basically following the same strategy from the other releases, like the RX500 series, and the 5000 series. For example lets look at the 5600Xt, that is an amazing card, for gaming and very efficient in power, something that most cards of Nvidia are not. The same is happening with Intel CPU's, hot like hell, power hungry, expensive, in a old architecture that seams they cannot pass over that. I have been waiting to upgrade my PC for 3 years now, I bought a cheap RX580 8gb because my or R7 was in the shit, but, it seams this is the year, I will get a new PC. Oh and even if they did "claim" they have no plans to launch different sku's of the cpu's, we all know that is bs, they first have to sell the most quality the wafers dropped first. Then we will see the "no X) versions and probably following the same lineup of the 3000 series. About availability, is bad logistics from Nvidia, in fact, the whole launch from Nvidia, seemed a bit in a hurry... I wonder why. We can blame the pandemic and all of that, and I can even admit that might cause some issues, but a massive worldwide out of stock? So they just made gpu's for youtubers? Give me a break.

[@LunarLaker]

@@kar351 that's an awful lot of text there buddy. All I'm saying is that it makes no sense to choose a more expensive CPU than GPU for high end gaming. If you consider 1080p60 a great game experience, that's fine. But I'll say that the NES was a great game experience too at 480p30

[@KadiusFTW]

@@LunarLaker if you play games like Civ 6, csgo/valorant and Star Citizen, then it does because of the cpu bound nature. But even in gpu bound none of these current offerings from nvidia make sense for anyone who is at 1080p or dare I say 1440p. I have both a vega 56 in my main rig and a 2060 KO in my workstation and both of them give me 100+ fps in most titles at 1440p with high setting and medium shadows.

[@LunarLaker]

@@KadiusFTW Hold on. I had a comment written with 3 arguments against your points, but every time I read your comment, I got more confused. So I'll assume you read my *first* comment, and we're thinking of the same scenario of whether 5900x -> 5950x or 3070 -> 3080 gives better value. You're arguing that CPU bound games will benefit more from 100 Mhz boost and 4 cores than GPU bound games will benefit from a 47% larger GPU, because GPU bound games won't benefit at 1080p and 1440p? Why won't they benefit? The ROP count? High framerates only count if the game's CPU-bound? Also, why aren't we talking about 4k or UWQHD for parts that cost more than some PC builds? And the fact you can OC a 5600x to get similar clocks? And that games don't all have the same workloads?

[@ErraticPT]

What exact game game are you playing there BZ? It look familiar to me but can't quite place it.

[@ernestotheaux294]

nice to see someone playing racing games (well) with keyboard!. it's always so criticised as an input method for racing games but i find it much better than gamepads. Maybe because i grew up playing that way many many years ago (too much grand prix circuit from 1988, stunts, the cycles from 1989)

[@Razor2048]

Will the single CCD be an issue for RAM write speeds, such as when the 3600 and 3700 took a 50% write speed hit?

[@carbonsx3]

The IO die config is the same... the single CCD will have the same 50% write bandwidth as Zen2. It's not an 'issue' for Zen2 general computing performance either, outside of software that reports memory write bandwidth...

[@L1Q]

I'd appreciate a YT playlist for all the ramblings, would make a nice podcast.

[@Jaz69s]

what motherboard will be the best for the 5900x or 5950x?

[@FinnishComrade]

Whats your opinion on 5900x or 5950x having SMT turned off for higher core speeds for gaming? I'm upgrading from a 5.2Ghz 9700k.

[@potatotyme]

How do you know so much? What is your background. I really like your videos, I am learning so much information about ram, motherboards, cpus, gpus, and the reasons things work the way they do. My favorite vid so far was when you explained the different types of degradation, since I am trying to daily drive my OC with no acceleration on cpu aging. Anyway, great content, if you learn this stuff from books or forums or whatever, I’d love to know where exactly that is.

[@Wasmachineman]

BZ dropped out of EE in college.

[@skypickle29]

what's a good motherboard for overclocking the 5000 series? Does VRM switching frequency matter? Does the ASUS dark hero w 90 amp instead of 60 matter?

[@Fix_It_Again_Tony]

I don't doubt the substrate is limiting infinity fabric clocks, but do you have a reference?

[@TheBigjake240]

any thoughts on the new crosshair hero dark x570 board? more refresh with new colors to get ppl to pay more for their new cpus?

[@TrueMegaManiac]

Seeing as I own a CH8, I just decided to look at the dark and my 8. They look to have identical PCB layouts. Would not surprise me if the VRM is the exact same. The chipset heatsink on the dark is passive, whereas on the 8 it uses a fan. So I guess the dark has one notable advantage in that you don't have a little noisemaker/point of failure.

[@CorporalHudson]

My launch date 3600 never managed to hit 4.2ghz. Regardless of what voltage was thrown at it it always hit the wall at 4175. With the EDC bug it did 4.2 for some milisecs. Recently I swapped it for 3600 again but its built in late May. It boosts to 4.275ghz easy, stock settings. Ofc I wanted to see what it can do - 4.5 all core 1.275v, gg.

[@yosharian]

I have a 3700X and a 3080, I'm looking at the 5800X because of the boost clock increase from 4.4GHz to 4.7GHz (as well as all the architecture improvements). I'm on an X570 board. I'm gaming at 1440p. What do you think of this upgrade? Putting aside the issue of cost (because I'll find a use for the 3700X in another rig), do you think this will be a decent upgrade, or pointless?

[@DarkLinkAD]

$ : VRM , whats the best value motherboard??

[@neildutoit5177]

If you have an IO bound task then getting some more threads can be pretty helpful

[@dandaly7305]

What MB will you match the 5950 with?

[@garymonaghan4528]

i bought a msi x570 tomahawk motherboard and im planning to buy the 5900x cpu. do you think thats a good pairing? love the vids btw.

[@deivytrajan]

For sure, there is no reason even 5950x wouldn't work on your mobo. Tomahawk is a beast on x570

[@summushieremiasclarkson4700]

Unless MSI screws something up on the firmware/software side, which has happened (but not for long, updates fixed it), you should be golden.

[@willgart1]

Gamers nexus: doing a video from his bike in a mountain... AHO: playing a game without moving from his chair ;-)

[@andruloni]

@@wiremash to be fair, on a mountain bike you're more sitting up

[@Hi-levels]

Pro

[@notreallyhoffman]

For gaming, I think the 5800x is going to be the best processor out there. Its 105w TDP and it has all its cores on one CCX with unified cache. This will let you take advantage of much faster memory (DDR4-4600 for example) without worrying about the infinity fabric speeds being decoupled. Reason being that the communication is kept within the 1 ccx with no need to talk to any other ccd's. There is no penalty that I can think of now for running fast memory speeds. the bigger processors, 5900x and 5950x still have a 2 chiplet design and wont be able to take advantage of the higher memory speeds without hurting the infinity fabric speed that it relies on. Thats why I think the 5800x is going to be the smart choice for gaming rigs. More so than their big brothers.

[@user-yc5fq9bv3u]

17:59 the headroom will be reflected in better boost I think, not in base clock.

[@idontwatchtv]

As someone who owns a 2500K and 2700K, they are fun to play around. I managed to clock the 2500K to 5GHz @ 1.45v and 2700K to 5.1GHz @ 1.55v. I also have a 4770K but haven't played around with it but I'm going to assume they won't be as much fun due to architectural changes.

[@DigitalMoonlight]

the 4700k hits a limit with the toothpaste before you run into the GHz wall. Delidding will net you some real gains (15 to 20 degree temp drops are not unheard of) though in anything that doesn't use AVX2 instructions it's not really that much faster than sandy bridge. Personally I got 4.8 @ 1.35v on the 4770k

[@idontwatchtv]

@mister.T Jr Nothing extreme, just a Z77 Extreme4 and NH-U14S.

[@idontwatchtv]

@@DigitalMoonlight Yea my 4770K is not as fun. 4.3GHz @ 1.3v is the limit due to temperatures. Kinda boring compared to Sandy Bridge, Haswell has to be delidded for the fun part.

[@snook.1]

I have some questions I'd love to get some answers to if someone have the time. First, I got the 3700X in november 2019, so when Buildzoid talks about CPU improvements from lanuch to current stock, what kinds of improvements are we talking about? I'm mostly curious. Also, I'm planning to get one of the new AMD RDNA 2 cards depending on pricing and review. I'm also planning to get a 1440p screen next year but I'm currently rocking a 1080p resolution and I'm thinking about upgrading the CPU to a 12 core Ryzen as well. My reasoning for this would be that *a.)* I got the 3700X on a below MSRP deal last year and *b.)* I want to do more virtualization on my PC now and later down the road. I actually only got a new PC because I knew that AM4 would be supported for another cycle, but I'm not really sure what my needs are and that often answers the question "should I upgrade", though a 12 or even 16 core CPU is really appealing to me if I would be able to do more virtualization. Any tips on how to get a better picture of what amount of power one needs to do virtualization, like could I realistically start using Linux as a main OS and run W10 in VM and not loose a significant amount of frames or get bad frame pacing? Also, should I go with a AMD or Nvidia card for good VM support? Ideally I would use a new card for the W10 VM and use my older Nvidia 1060 3gb for Linux. Lastly, what amount of RAM should I look for -- 32 gb or 64 gb?

[@nosveratu7140]

The current batch/2020 batch is a better version than the launch batch,you can read up some discussion on Reddit or something...

[@philippbeckonert1678]

: You were talking about the price of 5600x vs 3700 and that they were priced similarly but that you would still buy the 5600 because 20% ipc increase which would be like having 20% more cores. But 8c to 6c is an increase of a third. Is the 5600 still going to be the better choice because it might clock higher and has better memory?

[@807800]

That's much more information than I expected.

[@alistairblaire6001]

I'm somewhat excited but my hype levels are in check. My 3600 already does everything I want. We are at the point where it's not really a big deal unless you need 240fps gaming IMO. If the 8 and 12 core Zen 2 CPUs go down in price as a result then I'll be excited.

[@atraismachina8748]

Saw the title and went “fuck yea” out loud. I could listen to a podcast by you.

[@1kyleabc]

Wasn't NFS World shut down years ago? How are you playing it?

[@NinjaXHide]

Hey! I was wondering, since the Cache is a single unit and it's not shared does this mean better latency and better memory speed? And also, since it's one unit, won't the Cache be able to run at higher speeds? I really was wishing AMD would be able to reach 5GHZ This year single core all the time and at least 4.8 GHz all core, imagine the performance :O I'm still stuck with my trash I7 7700K .... which only works in single channel bcs of a faulty delid :( I really want to build a new PC, like i'm wishing to get a Ryzen 7 5700X and a RTX 3070 when they come out, or see what AMD brings out, but i really love the NVENC encoder and that any program that uses Hardware Acceleration they all use CUDA and if they use AMD they don't take full advantage of it :\ And the DLSS seems super wow since you can run 1440p at 1080p fps (i know it's not native 1440p) :D

[@fy7589]

What do you think about the X570 chipset motherboard lineup for delivering the power to the 5950x in this scenario. I have a Gigabyte Aorus Elite, actually bought it after watching your video about the X570 motherboards. And i am considering to upgrade into the 16 core this time.

[@robi6659]

It will be fine

[@andruloni]

they were built for 3950x use, and I didn't check but 5950x is probably the same power bracket, so they will do just fine especially at stock

[@fy7589]

Thanks guys, i just decided not to upgrade unless i decide to gift this system to my brother so it's okay, i'll have to buy another motherboard anyways... Also i think 5nm tsmc would probably be a whole lot better than anything socket am4 has. So i will probably wait for zen 4 since it will have a new socket which will probably support next generations unlike am4. And also ddr 5 support sounds fantastic. I believe the largest performance uplift is yet to come and it will be around zen 4 or intel something. Plus i am pretty happy with my non degraded, "non launch date :)" ryzen 3700x which i can overclock up to 4.25ghz all core @1.35V. I am sure i do not need anything more than this. It already is really snappy and good with productivity + gaming at the same time. Maybe i'll buy a radeon 6900xt reference card just to have the finest overclocking gpu and get a waterblock onto that. I think that would be pretty neat.

[@coryandrum]

How did I miss this ramble? Got the B550 and some B-die in the mail! Just when 1usmus takes the fun out of zen2, it's interesting how each zen is so different when tweaking.

[@UltraDXSASC]

Hey BZ, do you think that top end X370 could still get support for 5000 series? I don't want to change my Taichi right now. Also in the slide, it said that muy maybe 5000 will work on 3000 BIOS because there is not much difference with both, that is what i understand

[@BonusCrook]

People are saying it wouldn't work all that well.

[@UltraDXSASC]

@@BonusCrook Shit, well, i'll be sticking to 3000 series on my Taichi and get 6000 with a new socket mobo.

[@r3drumg33k3]

People will mod the bios to allow support. But honestly your losing so many features at that point it is hardly worth it.

[@ukspawn666]

with a hacked bios maybe but not officially

[@givemeajackson]

Not even a joke, get a 2 dimm a520 board if you're staying below 12 cores.

[@bakakafka4428]

@Buildzoid What mainboards will you use your 5950x on, by preference?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

we'll see when I get it.

[@Gen_66]

I was hoping my b550 tomahawk to be enough for it on stock

[@bakakafka4428]

@@Gen_66 Should be enough. MSI announced a memory OC board, the Unify-X on B550. With 4 M.2 slots. Not sure how they manage to get 4x M.2 on B550, and definitely not getting why a memory OC board, with just 2 RAM sockets for that purpose, would want or need 4x M.2. With 4 RAM sockets it would be a great little workstation board.

[@aytokpatop]

Does upgrading from 3950X to 5950X for gaming in 3440X1440 matters? And how much fps someone will gain in this resolution ?

[@TheSilviu8x]

Just ordered a b550 two weeks ago, dunno if it's ready for this. I'm not going to pull my hair out and I'm gonna settle for a pleeby 8 cores late production something, 3700 used or something like that.

[@svenf5888]

I'm really thinking about buying a 5600/5800, but my 3600 is just as old as yours. It would be stupid but I really like the oc on Ryzen... Have to think more about it the next 4 weeks ;D

[@mmmichael655]

will the zen 2 prices drop though :/

[@nosveratu7140]

@mister.T Jr which one is that? 3600 is always at $200 and up at some point,2 days ago it drops like $175 on Walmart,but when I checked again it's back at $199 again..

[@calistin1]

I think the issue with pricing of the 5600x vx the 5800x is that lots were looking at the 5600x like they do the 3600 which is good budget cpu for gaming and the 5800x like the 3700x as a good budget gaming cpu in which you will also be streaming etc but this time around AMD seems to be wanting to upsell 3700x/5800x purchases to 5900x.

[@joebourgoin6554]

Which NFS is this? Looks like a modded map that has different NFS games in it, I can see the 2005 Most Wanted map in this. Thats awesome

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

need for speed world it combines the Carbon and MW maps

[@joebourgoin6554]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclockingOh thats neat. Driving physics same as Carbon then?

[@futui4752]

Bit sad that there is no 5700x yet, gona have to buy 5800x witch probably wont be that much better than 5700x if it show ups anytime next year.But anyway what mainboard u would suggest to use with it thinking about msi tomahawk x570 or asus tuf ?

[@sbinnalaseb9276]

Wouldn't it has really close naming with the 5700(XT) GPUs? That would cause a lot of confusion. I guess they might axe it altogether.

[@futui4752]

@@sbinnalaseb9276 Ye u might be righ tho i kinda think that 5800x is actually 5700x just they named it that way to make it higher price since 3700x was 330dola and lets say if they would have named it 5700x they couldnt make that price for it since it would be like 120dola price jump not 50. And probably after they grabs the money they might or might not release 5700x and since we know from 3000 series 700 and 800 arent that far away in performante

[@RobertBrooksiii47]

I Love this video and this game, What a Driver.... I've put it on Loop and have Driving Music playing... 31 minutes with only one oops... before then I thought it's was a bot playing the game... Buildzoid !, Buildzoid !, Buildzoid !, Buildzoid ! you make us Speed Racer fans proud

[@SkillSet2]

I'll prob upgrade my 3800XT but I'm not in a hurry to potentially run lower clock speed than I am now(4.65/4.6 @1.331v).

[@bgtubber]

Is it safe to say that Threadripper 5000 should massively benefit from the unified CCX design in Zen 3 because it has so many cores and chiplets (hence CCXes)? Maybe more so even than the AM4 chips?

[@andruloni]

@mister.T Jr not yet, but why wouldn't they use the same approach there?

[@andruloni]

@mister.T Jr I hear some people buy those workstation grade cpus for their pcie lanes and such. If those made their way into top cpus on mainstream socket it would be nice, but could bump up the prices

[@bgtubber]

​@mister.T Jr Not yet.

[@kevinyu6615]

For gaming, 5900x better or 5950x better?

[@DylRicho]

20:01 Not yet, but rumors suggest that Intel will finally be giving that feature to the lower-end chipsets.

[@WandererOfWorlds0]

On a B450 mobo I'm torn between waiting for a large discount on the 3700x or waiting until 2021 for a hopefully stable bios for Ryzen 3. I don't want to change the mobo to be honest.

[@maxclaire732]

Was waiting for this, hit the likes guys.

[@chrono_tigger]

Meanwhile I am currently running an I5-6600k @4.6Ghz on a Z170x Gigabyte mobo that I bought back in 2016. I had no idea that the new Intel CPUs are all using Skylake cores XD. My laptop has a Ryzen 7 3700U in it still wins against my I5 just barely in cinebench, although that is due to multithreading. It still loses to single core performance which makes sense. It would be nice to upgrade but I certainly don't need to and I don't have the money for it anyways lol. Also, I am running 2x8GB GSkill DDR4 DIMMs at 2400 Mhz and I am wondering what I would need to do to overclock them. I have seen benchmarks of people running it at 3200 Mhz and higher but I am a numpty when it comes to memory overclocking. Any suggestions where I can find more info?

[@xXDESTINYMBXx]

Careful, XMP will void your warranty. It's not dangerous or anything but don't mention it if you do a rma.

[@chrono_tigger]

Thanks for the help! I have had these sticks for 5 years now, so I don't think RMA is an option anymore lol. Turns out they were only rated to go up to 2400 Mhz, so I guess I can't push them further without manual OC'ing (and I don't think I have the experience or time to do that).

[@xXDESTINYMBXx]

@@chrono_tigger nono, I mean if you were to rma the cpu.

[@MagicIceMan]

im not sure that it will beat my 9900ks @ 5.3Ghz AVX offset 0 + 4800 cl17 RAM in games.. but let wait real benchs not only video from amd...

[@MagicIceMan]

@mister.T Jr im was talkin about fps/performance in games they show us... but u right too mate

[@hidde663]

20:32 its not hard to get high clock speeds out of ddr4... it took me soo many boot attempts to get 3733CL15@1.6 or 3733CL14@1.675 to post on Z170 (-K) probably some hidden mem setting :''') no retry button either... just turn it off & on again, save changes & reboot, after 20 tries it suddenly posts with no errors. def. not gonna tune the secondary timings for this one tho, cuz every time you change 1 setting it needs to retrain.

[@Dazzxp]

I presently have a 3900X but i am thinking of the 5800X now, just cause having 8 cores able to communicate with each other and the bouncing threads on AMD CPU's as it over volts the core then offloads to another just having the one CCX/CCD maybe better than threads being moved over to another CCD. This time round however i am not going to be a day one user

[@ijustsawthat]

With the approaching release of DDR5 - probably next year - does it really make sense to upgrade to Ryzen 5000 or better wait for next year ? I have a Ryzen 2600 with a cheap mobo + 8gb 2400mhz XFX R9 390 Pc is used only for gaming.

[@userise222]

if you waited everytime because there is newer tech coming, you wouldn't upgrade anything. if you have a motherboard that support 5000 series, then its not a bad choice to go to 5000 series if you want it, unless otherwise then maybe wait if you have the time to see the performance of 6000? series

[@stale2665]

Depends on a lot. Do you have a lot of money? DDR5 chips that are actually significantly better than DDR4 are likely going to cost a lot more. The budget DDR5 options might not be noticeably faster than current mid-tier DDR4. Do you already have a motherboard and RAM that supports Ryzen 5k? The upgrade is going to be a lot cheaper than the all-new system you'd have to buy if you wanted a 6k series. Are you fine with not having PCIe4? If so, decent motherboards can be found very cheap.

[@killerMILLER117]

I remember when we moved from 3 to 4, there was a lot of hype but I don't see much difference in real world performance. It was hella expensive though!

[@LiveType]

I mean yes. Zen 3 looks very impressive as advertised by the leaks. The 5950x is looking _extremely_ appealing. If you want DDR5 and pcie5 you'll be waiting another year and a half at least like I currently am and when those are launched they are going to cost somewhere around double what exists right now. If you have something that is good enough for you and doesn't constantly frustrate you, you do what I did and literally skip ddr4.

[@ijustsawthat]

@@stale2665 that is the thing : I now have money to upgrade to a Ryzen 5000 + 3080 + good mobo - later on the memory . But if ddr5 releases next year I will be screwed.

[@lukaslauermann1984]

what x570 board would be the best for the 5950x? in terms of features as well as overclocking? thried to figure out myself by watching your videos, but you seem to have some negative point on all of them ^^

[@danisflying]

the x570 aorus master is really great

[@lukaslauermann1984]

@@danisflying isn't that only a 14 phase board? Wouldn't 16 be a better choice? Sry don't know that much about mobos ^^ Feature wise it looks great

[@cenkocenk]

i am waiting for better binned, higher base/turbo clock variants

[@nafisahmed6247]

can you do 1:10.xxx in heritage heights ?

[@K3ha10]

So should i get a 5600x and b550 or an i7 10700k and a z490? Both at the same price and gaming only

[@buzzman4860]

Don't buy a 3.0 pcie motherboard

[@dwikydarmawan6373]

Wait ain't 10700k cost more? I say wait until independent benchmark. If the performance is not that far, rather go for 10700k since it has more cores and has igpu

[@rdmz135]

5600x and b450. b550 is unnecessary for a measly 5600x unless you really need pcie 4 for fast storage.

[@DavoidJohnson]

Guess there will be one in the post for AHOC after this.

[@whiskeyoscarlimafox]

As someone who FINALLY got a 10900k at msrp last week and motherboard and is still struggling to secure a 30 series GPU, should I just return the 10900k and motherboard at this point and get a Ryzen 5900x or 5950x if I can afford it?

[@givemeajackson]

I'd at least wait for rdna2 reviews before potentially overpaying for a 3080. The 10900K will be very fast still, but it will chug power like a pig compared to an equally fast or even faster 5800x. I'd personally go for the zen3 build and decide on gpu later, or try to grab a cheap used 2080s. B550 boards are awesome value, and the platform is so much more flexible than z490.

[@whiskeyoscarlimafox]

@@givemeajackson Appreciate the advice. I am probably going to RMA the motherboard and 10900k this week and then just wait for big navi reviews before finalizing all my choices.

[@jmanbrizzle]

If the early batch of 5000 series will not have much headroom for overclocking, does that mean a 10850k overclocked might preform better at gaming?

[@Wahinies]

It would need to OC to between 5.1 and 5.6GHz depending on the game and the power usage for a 10850k at those clocks gets a yikes from me bro

[@N7Trekkie]

Wait, the gameplay for these videos IS LIVE!? Holy guacamole, you can really flex your PC knowledge while multitasking. I'm wholly impressed, love your content man.

[@hoveylu7231]

Did you not know buildzoid has simultaneous multithreading?

[@N7Trekkie]

@@hoveylu7231 genius

[@samfedorka5629]

Your game won't run on a computer with more than 16 threads? What did all those people do in 2011 when the 10-core Westmere-EX Xeons came out in 2011?

[@Wasbo]

This video made me check my @stock 3600 for OC headroom. Seems like I can hit 4.3 all core with a safe voltage. Nice.

[@cin2110]

Are you playing offline or on soapbox

[@kevinfoster4862]

Nice to finally see AMD on top again (on paper for now, in reality soon). Don't think Rocket Lake will take the crown back either. Maybe Alder Lake...

[@gioXLVI]

yea my 3800xt does 4.6 all core on cinebench r20 on air...

[@SkillSet2]

4.6 at what voltage? What single core score?

[@klaus.luppert]

Drinking game: Everytime your hear „like“ you must drink a shot, just kidding, big fan here 😉

[@kanondespreocupadox]

already drunk

[@klaus.luppert]

felipe nunez haha

[@klaus.luppert]

Dam DibiDum you will die of too much shots 🥴💀☠️ and then you are not a fan anymore, you have been a fan for the longest time

[@klaus.luppert]

Dam DibiDum I do not drink shots 😜

[@hoveylu7231]

You should have been there at the whole capacitor debacle vid; dead from alcohol poisoning within the first 5 mins 💀

[@jintsuubest9331]

Then Bz follow up video complain about how this low effort vid get more views than high effort vid.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

eh this decent IMO

[@bonfingertip]

Easy. I had to watch this one 3 times. 1st time after working for 12 hours straight or so, hoping for some nice extra info, but the actual info density quickly overwhelmed my tired brain and I dozed off. 2nd time was when I got to watch it properly. 3rd time was like "shit, that's too much cool stuff, need to write it down so I could get back to it when helping my pals build their PCs or actually upgrading myself". Whilst the usual videos here, I approach them ready to take notes from the get go :))

[@fredEVOIX]

Set cpu affinity to launch pour game ? Or process Lasso If you dont even have time to open task manager, must do trick for hedt or threadripper, some dx11 use 2 threads ans run crap with more 🙄

[@MarkusOsmers]

Please compare the 5950X to a i9 10980XE !?

[@supa1954]

what need for speed u playing??

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

world

[@supa1954]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking TY

[@psionski]

Which NFS is this?

[@joefowble]

Xeon-sized cache is godtier How is AMD handbrake and avx2 doing?

[@carbonsx3]

AVX2 has always been good on Zen2 outside of the latest Intel MKL library shenanigans...

[@joefowble]

@@carbonsx3 I am more wondering if 16 cores with access to the unified cache had some blistering performance uplifts in AVX or zip.

[@LawrenceTimme]

Good take

[@velghion]

What game is this? Love the content!

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

need for speed world on a private server

[@velghion]

Thanks, didn't know this game existed and felt weird recognizing parts from most wanted. Great driving, too!

[@OCDyno]

Going through updated rockport felt weird

[@zeekmx1970]

I know this gonna sound very out of the blue yet I seem to have established that PBO 2.0 has two locations in the Asus ROG Strix x570 wifi Maximus VIII One is on the Advanced Page and the other is in the Over Clocking Page. After a couple of weeks of looking things over I duplicate settings in both pages. Best results with Mem XMP On 3200 CL 14 T1 Core Enhanced Enabled, Ratio Auto, PBO 5950x Fmax Enabled, Manual 142, 95, 140, Curve All Core -10 / 679.2 Single T GPUZ