Acura TLX SH-AWD Aspec Vs. Acura TL SH-AWD 6MT Comparison!!

What do you guys think? Would you prefer the TLX with sluggish transmission over the 4th Gen TL?
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[@thesportswarehouse8853]

sound system in the TL is just amazing

[@TL-S_Nation]

I prefer the 4th gen tl over the tlx

[@tannerwillis7936]

TL fan just the v6 fwd in the tlx has a 8 speed dual clutch and it’s pretty quick

[@dmanatan]

Tanner Willis the DCT is only optioned for the 4-cyl. The V6 has a 9-speed auto.

[@RevsALot]

@@dmanatan The RLX 3.5 Sport Hybrid also has the 7 spd DCT👌, 1/4 mile 13.5 stock! Just wish it didn't look so old manish, but I'm sure window tint, chrome delete and wheels could fix that.

[@Mrs.Portia_G]

Me too! I own a SH-AWD TL and I love it!!!

[@svge_1934]

IceBreak 75 v6 trans is different bud

[@da0484]

Still got my ‘14 TL tech pkg. Plan on keeping for a long time

[@heyguys9559]

I just got one same year and it’s tech I love it

[@christiansincich7226]

Got a ‘12 TL with all the bells and whistles as a first car (still have it), smokes many many cars I see at the red lights. I don’t plan on selling for a loooong time. My Acura dealership makes sure to tell me how much of a beast my vehicle is compared to the new TLX’s

[@phillipjohnson5868]

Had the same experience. Traded our 4G TL and looked at the TLX. Boring! Tried the Q50 3.0T and it was way more exciting to drive. Acura needs to step it up!

[@jasonkerby9409]

love your videos! I have the 2009 acura tl sh-awd and put a takeda intake as well as a catback exhaust from endlessrpm! best decision of my life! keep putting videos out

[@RevsALot]

Glad you enjoy them, lots more to come!🤙

[@4DPJ35]

Good work bro, Nice video!! Acura definitely needs to step it up. Hopefully the type s will be a fresh start for new things to come.

[@RevsALot]

Thanks! We can only hope for the best🤞.

[@shawnsavofficial]

Trust me it will be. They know they been scrutinized heavily by the media. They are sure to really slap the competition around. I’m sure you seen the Type R civic, and the NSX has been kicking ass although sales are slow. RDX is also a great suv for the money. They are ready

[@RevsALot]

@@shawnsavofficial I hope so, I know the engine and everything else will be amazing. Just the transmission I have my doubts about.

[@shawnsavofficial]

@@RevsALot Dont, they are most likely going to go DCT.

[@supersabrosinho]

Love my 11 TL 6MT! Driving it after a bad day brings a smile to my face like this --> 😃

[@RevsALot]

I know the feeling🤙!

[@bigwavedave2550]

4th Gen TL... for the win!! 💪👍

[@RevsALot]

💪🤙!

[@bigwavedave2550]

@@RevsALot I think you are spot on. I drove a neighbor's 1G TLX with the 3.5 and I did not feel it pulled nearly as hard as the 3.7, similar power delivery - all at the top, unlike Accords - but felt slower than the 15HP/TQ deficit would lead you to believe.

[@RevsALot]

@@bigwavedave2550 yah they're transmission is what's killing the power👎. Anyone who's driven both understands completely.

[@Infiniterian]

Keep on going bro👌🏻

[@RevsALot]

🤙!

[@goldie260]

i have 2012 3.7 awd tl.. n i love it... i had the 2019 tlx a spec.. I'll keep my tl lol they can have the tlx... i had it for a week while i was getting my coils n plugs changed

[@RevsALot]

Good to know all the 4th gen owners think the same of the TLX👍

[@nickhunter8528]

Keep it up with the 4th gen content! My dad has a 3.7 Q50S, he got a 3.0T silver sport, the 3.7 is definitely the way to go, the 3.7 pulls harder, sounds better, Redsport is too the only other option in my mind 🤷‍♂️

[@RevsALot]

I completely agree. If you plan on tuning or modding the redsport, better off with the silver sport. Same exact everything engine wise, just detuned compared to redsport.

[@nickhunter8528]

RevsALot the redsport is a really bad idea for Infiniti from a car enthusiast perspective, no one buys red sports because u can tune a silver sport and make the same power😂 not worth spending the extra X amount of money, Infiniti got a Stage 2 WRX kill the other day btw, VERY impressive car out of the box

[@RevsALot]

@@nickhunter8528 Exactly! Nice, gotta love beatin' on the subies💪! Lol

[@themac150]

Dude you shift better than most of these dudes even with a camera in one hand lol hell yeah!

[@yulianmarkevych2709]

TL 4GEN in BRUTAL , it is larger, interior is spacious and looks much nicer and sportier, because tlx is continuing of tsx but not the tl )) It will be very interesting you test rlx sport hybrid.

[@RevsALot]

Hopefully someday I'll be able to get my hands on one🤞.

[@redsymphony5471]

Love the jewel lights but the TL won’t age since it’s no longer made 🤣🤣🤣 love that TL!!

[@RevsALot]

I'll eventually just put the jewel eyes, and tlx grill on this👌.

[@2014Khalil]

I own a 19 aspec , I've driven both , I can say the 4g performance wise I great but my aspec and the handling is amazing I'm sorry I toss and throw this car , I wish they could have just done a quick engine upgrade and connected exhaust would have been badass that sound is lovely

[@RevsALot]

I agree, the 4th gen sits too high compared to the aspec, but throw some Coilovers on the 4th gen and I’m sure it would handle just as good!

[@RomaneMaticaliseGordon]

SUBSCRIBED #ACURANATION. I have a 2013 TSX, it’s slow af but it’s so good looking lol. Looking to upgrade when they release their new TLX. Keep the videos coming man.

[@RevsALot]

Can't go wrong with any Acura🤙! Thanks for the support, lots more to come.👊

[@themac150]

I have a G37x and I love it... but I also love the TL!!! Shits clean!

[@littyhim8852]

2017 tlx tech sh awd is Amazing .. no complaints !

[@RevsALot]

We own a 2018 TLX Aspec SH-AWD, definitely an amazing car just doesn't perform like the 3.7 6MT. It's really good on gas, looks amazing and sounds amazing though.

[@sambutler3347]

I love mine 2012 Elite sh-awd such a great car.

[@stellafacey4015]

You right on target bro luv the new grill and head light of the TLX but 2012 TL technology package that my favorite facey

[@adamstakes129]

I have a 2nd gen TL type s love it still a fun car for how old it is

[@RevsALot]

Those are beast too💪.

[@adamstakes129]

@@RevsALot yeah all stock and it moves

[@RevsALot]

@@adamstakes129 I've raced one before in my 92 prelude jdm h22a swap, and never slept on TLs since.

[@adamstakes129]

@@RevsALot yeah it surprises people

[@syxsyx]

I have a 2012 TL, SH-AWD, 6MT and will keep it until the TLX gets SH-AWD Sport Hybrid or something better. Sadly not much cars with AWD, power and a manual transmission these days.

[@RevsALot]

Same here, but I'm going to keep it forever. Definitely getting the new type s if the transmission is good🤞.

[@ankurdewan6992]

I had the oil consumption TSB done on my 4G TL. Had a TLX A-Spec V6 SH-AWD loaner when they were doing the work. The TLX didn't feel like an upgrade from 4G TL. The materials left cheaper.

[@RevsALot]

I agree completely, sad that they're asking more money for less performance and quality.👎 What's wrong with making a baby NSX🤷‍♂️?

[@failureisnooption_finofino87]

I had a video of me racing a TLX but it never uploaded unfortunately. Honestly what they should have done with the TLX is up the motor of the j37 put that in there and go from there. Idk I feel like actually went a bit backwards with the TLX it looks nice but performance wise eh.

[@RevsALot]

They definitely went downhill with performance, just like the Lexus is350 did.

[@dariuscarter4746]

Failureisnooption_fino Fino exactly I have a 08 TL and every time I go to Acura, I call my service advisor and aggravate him about getting my car done ASAP because I hate the new TLX . The looks don’t go with the performance. The TLX was a waste. Plus it can’t beat his lil ugly sister, that 2.0 Accord left the tlx a-spec sh-awd in the dust. 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@metalegion2248]

I have the 4thh gen TL... so much fun

[@SAT1337]

Performance difference isn’t that great to compromise for the TL. The TLX wins on exterior looks, interior looks and functionality and of course the smart driving stuff like adaptive Cruiser and Lane Keep assist.

[@RevsALot]

The manual TL definitely pulls a lot harder then the TLX SH-AWD. I own the TL and the gf now has an '18 Aspec TLX SH-AWD. I love the look and love driving it, but the top end performance is underwhelming, the seats aren't as comfy, and the bass isn't great. Everything else though the TLX is better.

the worst decision I made was to sell my 2012 TL SHAWD :(

[@RevsALot]

Well you can always go get another🤷‍♂️ haha.

@@RevsALot kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpnRdoKsiaqYnM0 it wasnt as fast as the manual TL though

[@robmendoza6210]

@KeSean Woods not for very long,good luck finding a 2002 with low miles.20 year old sports cars Have seen a lot💪😓

[@raphaelfrancis4509]

I went to the Autoshow a few weeks ago and went to the Acura section. I sat in the TLX to refresh my memory of it. The only thing I like about that car was, the seat comfort. The car interior felt cheap, old and outdated. Now that you posted the performance difference. I am happy, that I got the TL SH-AWD. Acura needs to hurry up replace that disappointing TLX.

[@RevsALot]

I found the seat comfort 10 times better in the TL though. The seat appearance are way nice in the TLX though.

[@raphaelfrancis4509]

@@RevsALot I was looking at the seats again, the TLX upper part of the seats were wider. So it fit my back better. The TL is more snug but not too bad

[@RevsALot]

@@raphaelfrancis4509 I just found the cushioning was way comfier, and the seats wrapped around me better in the TL. I guess it's different for different body types lol🤷‍♂️.

[@DMCarReviews]

Why didn't you measure the TLX with the dragy?

[@RevsALot]

I only had the TLX for a little bit, but that would've been interesting to see. Maybe another time🤞.

[@Drivin_Vibing]

I love it brody i drove a tlx for a day and super uncomfortable way less room all around inside the tlx is to compact no pleasurable rough texture seats i got my tl back andd ahhhww baby i love the 4g tl its not a big power house but it gets it done with ease, cant wait to see ur 4g with clutch mods🤫🤔🤐🤨🤗😝 This is the way clutch upgrades then SC:)

[@RevsALot]

Glad to see everyone feels the same with their 4th gens!. It's going to be a good summer full of mods🤙!

[@carlyletom301]

Acura has a 0-60 times of all Acuras. They claim that the 2010 TL does it at 5.2. I have it in the auto, an also a 2007. When I had a 2006 TL, I was clocking 5.7 sec. Haven't tried timing the 2010 yet, but believe it should definitely be quicker than 5.7.

[@RevsALot]

They claim the manual does 5.2, best I got was 5.13s. I think 5spd auto is mid to high 5s.

[@mccraejoey82]

4gn best tl ever made in my opinion and I still have my 2011 and its fwd tech and it's still fast

[@RevsALot]

I agree 100%

[@E82N55]

Have you done any suspension mods? Probably gonna go the route of suspension and wheels before doing any power mods.

[@RevsALot]

Not yet, lightweight wheels can gain you just as much power as certain bolt ons👌!

[@E82N55]

RevsALot still trying to figure out if I should go for lightweight 18s or 19s 🤔 was going for the tein SAZs but I surprisingly found out fortune auto makes coilovers for our car also. Are you eyeing shifter bushings and short shifter as one of your upcoming mods?

[@RevsALot]

@@E82N55 19s will look better, but be a little heavier. Tein are what I was planning to get. Already have the shifter bushings and short shifter on the way with stage 3 clutch and lightweight flywheel.

[@EricTheGreat508]

The TL is better and quicker in a lot of ways. Including price. It’s too bad that even Honda/Acura are moving away from manuals with a V6. Their manual transmissions from their B/K series 4bangers and into the J series are legendary. I love your car. Looking into a 6/6 Accord coupe or a 6 speed 3rd gen TL or a 4th gen. They’re super hard to find in manual. Thoughts??

[@RevsALot]

All 3 of those are excellent choices. Manual sedan I'd go with 3rd Gen TL, 4th Gen TL or 7th Gen 6-6. If you don't need a sedan, then definitely can't go wrong with a 8th or 9th Gen 6-6.🤙

[@robertalicea5585]

I got a 9th gen 6-6 accord definitely a nice daily not the fastest but it's fun to drive

[@RevsALot]

@@robertalicea5585 when you say not the fastest what are you comparing to? It's definitely one of the fastest NA v6 you can get other than a 370z.

[@Javamanjonny]

That TL though 💯

[@RevsALot]

💪!

[@NotDxvee]

What year is your Acura TL? I’m looking to get it as my next car

[@RevsALot]

Mines a '13

[@NotDxvee]

@@RevsALot I have a 08 impala. And I wanna start to race people when I get my Acura. And I’m not to fond of car parts so I’m gonna watch you and have you make my TL fast 😂

[@FDARSENAULT]

Just wondering.. do you switch your air intake with the stock one during winter? Btw I really enjoy your videos! Keep them coming!!!

[@RevsALot]

Yes, I remove it for winter. Either going to customize the SRI to make it a CAI, or buy the CAI that p2r is coming out with.

[@E82N55]

RevsALot link on P2R CAI? Sounds interesting. But if supercharged is the end goal then the money can be saved.

[@RevsALot]

@@E82N55 it's not in production yet. The goal is to see how fast I can get it NA, then going supercharger. It'll be a good giveaway when I don't need it anymore👍.

[@E82N55]

RevsALot maybe P2R bought the rights to the CTE icebox? Unless you have more info that P2R designed it from the ground up

[@RevsALot]

@@E82N55 not sure what they did, we'll have to wait and see🤞.

[@acuraracing5205]

4th Generation TL is best!!!

[@Lov3lychriz]

I’m a female which acura TL should I get and what year ? I keep seeing Sh-awd and then another type as well...im confused.

[@RevsALot]

12-14 , and tech package is front wheel drive 3.5..sh awd is 3.7. Doesn't matter if male or female though, choose wtv is better for you👍.

[@Joshua-nn6dz]

4th gen gang🥰😋

[@earljenkins4671]

So I want a Acura TL sh awd, which is faster the Acura TL sh awd or the Acura tlx sh awd?🧐🤔 both auto

[@RevsALot]

Hard to tell, but I believe the 4G TL SH-AWD is a bit quicker top end and off the line.

[@truonghthe]

The sound that you heard from the TLX is actual come from speaker "synthetic engine sound"

[@RevsALot]

Yah I only found that out after. Kind of not as impressive now lol. J35 roars anyways though, so it would be similar, just not as loud.

[@SwapBlogRU]

Wow, the TL actually isn't slow. I was under the impression that these cars were sort of pigs, like the old Legend/RL.

[@RevsALot]

I do have the 6MT, which I believe is the quickest stock Acura ever made other then the NSX and the RLX sport hybrid.

[@MidnightAspec]

RevsALot Actually, the quickest published times from 0-60 and 1/4 mile time for any TL/TLX variant is the 4G SH-AWD 6MT. But the 15 TLX V6 PAWS will catch up by 100 mph.

[@MidnightAspec]

www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a16580263/2010-acura-tl-sh-awd-manual-road-test-review/

[@MidnightAspec]

www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15106826/2015-acura-tlx-35-v-6-fwd-test-review/

[@RevsALot]

@@MidnightAspec I haven't seen it anywhere. Just from what I could find it was the RLX sport hybrid.

[@engineeringgarage2376]

The TLX did very close to the manual TL. The TLX should be faster than the Automatic TL. Also, I think the traction control was off In the TL and it was on in the TLX

[@RevsALot]

This video is to prove how not close the TLX would be to the manual in a race. It's gaining a couple mph every gear over the TLX. TC on or off don't matter from a 60 roll with SH-AWD, it wasn't losing traction.

[@TLX3.5]

I have the 2016 TLX v6 3.5 fwd......won against a 2014 TL 3.7.........Lexus is 350 F.......G37........so this video is nonsense........Sam test these cars together professionally...and that TL lost everytime.......stop the cap

[@RevsALot]

The Fwd is faster then the sh-awd, I own both 18 TLX SH-AWD & TL SH-AWD 6MT. The manual TL beats the TLX in Sam's video and that's with the TL driver saying he's not used to racing and doesn't shift fast. Also, the first run he bogged the launched and missed 2nd. On a roll the TL would've destroyed the TLX, but his shift knob came off so they didn't roll race. I pulled a TLX SH-AWD from the lights the other day by 3 cars by top of 2nd, I gave him the hit, didn't launch and shifted slow to 2nd(but I'm also modded now). There's yet to be a SH-AWD TLX run high 13s stock, and TL runs low 5s 0-60 and high 13s stock and traps a cpl mph faster then TLX.

[@mileswalters9196]

🔥 content

[@RevsALot]

Appreciate the support!🙏

[@mauricekwurue4974]

Is the automatic 4gen Sh-awd faster than the TLX?

[@RevsALot]

The 6spd auto would be faster top end imo. 0-60 TLX seems to get faster times, but no video test anywhere to prove it.

[@regularru2392]

What year TLX is that you are driving?

[@RevsALot]

2020

[@acuraracing5205]

I agree. The 5th gen TLX transmission sucks!

[@arc797]

I keep beating the 4g with my tlx pinning the manual vs auto is not a good comparison

[@RevsALot]

I'm a 4g 6MT owner, so I compared to see if it was worth trading in. Now I know it isn't, so I'll have to wait for the type s🤞!

[@arc797]

@@RevsALot sadly ZF9 does feel sluggish but one thing i learned playing with that tranny was to shift at high rpms but i would shift by timing my aelf on how long the shift takes so i can click and get to the rpm i want on time. Thats the only way im able to beat my awd 4g and fwd. Manual wise is a different story because you are in control of how much power your car put down as for zf9 the transmission decides. Ive beat a 3g manual by a car and a half and the awd tlx by half a car. Im planning on a project to do a turbo but im afraid ZF wont take that power well

[@RevsALot]

It wouldn't let me go to redline on the tlx even in sport mode, if it would go a few hundred in the red it would be a lot quicker. The FWD TLX seems to pull alot better then the shawd top end.

[@arc797]

@@RevsALot that is correct. FWD is faster than AWD. But remember the TLX was made for different purpose than just a sport sedan. The limitors are pretty bad. If you remove the limitors she will wreck havoc on the road. There is a friend of mine that showed me the difference and it was 4 cars ahead of my fwd

[@Newbuddyzx1]

Don’t leave me hanging 2011 Rl 3.7 shawd 6AT U can thank the RL/zdx for your motor 3.7 gang ✊🏿

[@Newbuddyzx1]

And Sh-Awd

[@RevsALot]

The 3.7 came out in 09 in the TL as well though, so we'll thank Acura👌 haha! Edit: Also, the TL 3.7 is the only one with dual vtec.

[@Newbuddyzx1]

@@RevsALot u really can’t admit your TL has my engine. Cause a TL has 3.5 naturaly

[@Newbuddyzx1]

Not even saying mine dosent have dual vetch on the 11 isn’t true let google deside

[@RevsALot]

@@Newbuddyzx1 I stand corrected, its only the j37a1 that doesn't have the dual vtec. If it makes you happy, sure the TL has your engine lol. I love all jseries 3.0, 3.2, 3.5, 3.7, so don't matter to me what chassis it's in.

[@iccepicc5260]

what year is that TL? 2012?

[@RevsALot]

I answered on the dyno video you commented on, 2013

[@Scottstunts]

4th gen TL for sure.

[@drywalljunkie6969]

When people can afford is when they should comment lol🤣

[@bbbt8090]

I own a Acura and like neither, i would purchase a 3rd gen TL-S lol

[@RevsALot]

I love the type s, hopefully get one someday for the channel. If you ever get the chance to drive a 4th gen 6MT, you'll change your mind🤙!

[@salvatruchoman]

I agree, I got a 2010 TL 4G 6MT and its so much better

[@eruptsrek2275]

I love the tlx my mom got a sh awd and it’s fun

[@RevsALot]

It's a really nice car, but performance wise it could be a lot better.

[@fredeb67]

Acura is simply garbage now. Outdated products, design team on drugs, low quality and price to content ratio is not on par any more to rivals. I have an O5 TL that is going to have a place in my garage until its pistons beat no more. I Love it.

[@RevsALot]

Haha I love the look of the TLX Aspec, but that's about it. We're all hoping for a miracle with the new Type S, if not the NSX is the only other Acura I'd buy.

[@fredeb67]

@@RevsALot I have to agree but I can't afford a NSX. I still think the Type S will be beak but ugly just like the rest of the Acura line-up.

[@RevsALot]

@@fredeb67 I love the look of the concept and the new Acuras tbh🤷‍♂️. Everyone has their different opinions though.

[@fredeb67]

@@RevsALot You are correct again. However, there has to be more than looks. Acura cars once had looks, tech, quality and power. They have none of that today.

[@rightfight100]

Here's me watching this with a 3.2 6MT :(

[@RevsALot]

Nothing wrong with that, it's still a 6MT💪. Could probably hang pretty good with this on a roll.

[@Puneet_chumber]

Doing all this in a -2* weather is hilarious

[@RevsALot]

Canada is that temp like 40% of the year lol

[@Puneet_chumber]

@@RevsALot so I Washington but I smoke tl every day 🤣

[@RevsALot]

@user-mj5gg3ui2u ok, that's fine. What do you drive? TL are slow stock, I'm not stock anymore.

[@Puneet_chumber]

@@RevsALot Acura tlx sh awd ktuned some other mods ( use to smoke them when it was stock either way)

[@Puneet_chumber]

​@@RevsALot But I agree the zf10 tranny suck 😂😂

[@terrynoh7434]

-10°C. Canada eh!?

[@RevsALot]

Yessir!❄

[@topshelf30]

Comparing an auto trans and a manual trans is not fair. Biased. My 99 civic will smoke your slow old TL.

[@RevsALot]

Well now I own the TLX Aspec, so will be making an unbiased review. This was a loaner, and I was hoping for more gforce from it. I've owned my fair share of civics, and I'll never go back😂. The only thing a civic is better for is MPG.

[@Rubicon14]

I’ll keep my tlx awd advanced pkg fuck the tl! Only tl that’s nice Is 07-08 newer ones are ugly an big as shit

[@RevsALot]

As long as your happy with it that's all that matters👍.

[@TLX3.5]

The TLX v6 is quicker than the TL........I own the 2016 TLX fwd........go check out Sam's channel....he did the side by side races...the TLX whipp that TL everytime...so this review is bias.....

[@Rubicon14]

@@TLX3.5 well my 17 Tlx sh-awd is was the V6 and in my opinion was slow as fuck.

[@RevsALot]

The TL missed a gear and I talk to the owner almost daily and he admits he can't shift good or fast. Second run he whips the TLX. I own the '18 TLX Aspec SH-AWD and the TL 3.7 6MT. The TL is definitely a lot quicker.

[@RevsALot]

@@TLX3.5 the fwd 3.5 TLX is a different story though. Those definitely seem a lot quicker than sh-awd, so stock for stock on a roll I think the 4G 6MT would be a very close race with the TL pulling slightly top end.

[@chaychay7734]

4th gen is ugly af thats the only reason ill choose the tlx. but the 3rd gen is were its at

[@RevsALot]

You should look up some 4th gens on IG. If you still think they're ugly when done up right then I don't know what to tell you🤷‍♂️. I hated them before I bought it, now I love the look of them more than 3rd gens. TLX Aspec is definitely nicer then the TLs though🔥. Also, you can retro fit the new 18+ acura grills into the 4th gens and they look amazing.

[@drywalljunkie6969]

How can you compare hater lol handling seats style to your old car not even close 😳

[@RevsALot]

Uhh, how am I hating? TLX Aspec overall appearance way nicer I find, seats LOOK nicer, and handles better. 4th Gen 6MT has better performance, better audio, and way comfier seats. Edit: The Gf bought the TLX SH-AWD Aspec. My opinions on them hasn't changed much, but I still enjoy driving the TLX for mpg and fancy tech.

[@deathkid916]

3rd gen tl for the win!!👍

[@RevsALot]

Love the 3rd gens too, but they didn't come AWD and the 4th gen 6MT is faster.

[@2014Khalil]

I own a 19 aspec , I've driven both , I can say the 4g performance wise I great but my aspec and the handling is amazing I'm sorry I toss and throw this car , I wish they could have just done a quick engine upgrade and connected exhaust would have been badass that sound is lovely

[@RevsALot]

I mentioned in the video I felt the TLX handled better. I would probably need coilovers, and better tires to get the same handling in the turns. The engine is great, but the transmission is killing the power.

[@WIentertainment]

I have a couple 4g tls. Have coilovers and vossen vfs1s on my 2012 advance with super sport 2s for rubber and stoptech brakes. One of the best handling sedans I have ever driven, in tight canyon roads she can stay right with much pricier cars