Adam and Eve in the Qur'an, the Bible, and Rabbinic Lit. | Original Sin | Lilith? | Dr. Shari Lowin

[@christiangadfly24]

I just bought two of your books after your interview with Capturing Christianity. It's impossible to tell what you believe religiously, and every time you say something I learn something. Keep up the great work, I'll listen to this next time I'm on a commute!

[@guardingsoul6652]

I like this, for someone to maintain such a level of ideological empathy that it’s difficult to see what the individual actually believes is amazing.

[@holyfool343]

Same here! I have immense respect for scholars who appear be believers of some sort, but are ideologically neutral and respective towards believers of many faiths and secular academics alike.

[@MrBerto800]

I enjoyed this. You have a GREAT channel. Hope to see Dr Lowin back.

[@kb4432]

There is an excellent lecture by Dr Jeffrey Lang where he explains the story of Adam and Eve in the Quranic context. It is titled "the purpose of life" and he shows how it served as a catalyst for changing his strongly held athiestic views. A fascinating watch.

[@JohnGeometresMaximos]

The koran plagiarized the story from the Apocalypse of Moses.

[@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156]

​@@JohnGeometresMaximos Specify apocalypse of Moses?

[@JohnGeometresMaximos]

@@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156 aka "The Life of Adam and Eve". Search for THE PENITENCE OF OUR FOREFATHER ADAM - University of Virginia

[@JohnGeometresMaximos]

@@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156 Then find the Chapter "The Fall of Satan"

[@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156]

​@@JohnGeometresMaximos What I meant was, what do you mean apocalypse of Moses, it has no meaning to me in reading the Qur’aan. In other words, where in the Qur’aan, Aayat and Suurat? Hence, specify in the Qur’aan.

[@1976Copper]

Wonderful, rich conversation.

[@zubairhollow]

more of dr,sheri lowin please

[@alanyachurch2347]

Explanation about ezer was mind blowing for me❤❤ I mean it was more revelational

[@bloodnf]

I wish you would bring an Islamic scholar on to explain how Muslims understand the Quranic stories. There is a fundamental difference in how Muslims view God and how the Jews and Christians seem to view God and it is reflected in how the stories are presented in the Quran and the Bible.

[@JUSLOFI]

"In their stories is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not a fabricated tale, but a confirmation of what came before it, and a detailed explanation of all things, and guidance, and mercy for people who believe." Qur'an 12:111

[@bloodnf]

@@JUSLOFI Yes. That's how Muslims understand the Quran. Here we have a Jewish scholar explaining how jews and their Rabbi's explain the message in the Bible. But neither Dr. Lowin or Dr. Reynolds really seem to understand how Muslims view what's in the Quran.

[@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156]

​​​@@bloodnf The problem with the so-called Muslim scholars (in the same way as western scholars) rely too much on men's collections of nonfactual hearsay narratives, rather than the actual Qur’aan itself they supposed to have studied, and yet know nothing about Aadam!

[@mirihamika664]

The lovely lady seems to speculate a lot even flat-out errors. Is she a proff?

[@jacobortega3424]

@@mirihamika664speculating which errors?

[@ZenIslam19]

Very thoughtful

[@christianprinceears4653]

From my understanding, Quran does not use nakedness as body nakedness, but as a Spiritual nakedness, Allah explains this when it says "Righteousness is the best Cover for the Nakedness" So, Satan wanted to expose their nakedness means that Satan wanted to expose their sinful Nature, and Righteousness was covering their Sinful Nature until they sinned--so, Righteousness is the best clothing for sin, it means that when you are righteous you avoid sin. we, need to remember that Satan says to Allah: give me time, to test their faith, and expose the hypocrites among them, and lead them away from your worship, so, exposing their nakedness is the doing exactly that.

[@jacobortega3424]

Thats why they are looking at the specific wording in Arabic used to discuss “nakedness”. Spiritual genitalia? Seems like a stretch

[@clearskybluewaters]

God in talmud is basically a bigger rabbi he argues, corrects, sides with, rebukes, and often gets rebuked by other jewish rabbis where God admits to being wrong in "heaven"

[@stevesmith4901]

This was a very funny observation. Made me laugh.

[@arsalanshaikh3763]

Very informative discussion, one point in the quran Adam does repent I believe, "Rabana zalamna an fusana" - "Lord I have wronged myself" which is a popular dua / prayer in the muslim world as opposed to Satan who said "Had God not asked to bow down I would be not be out of heaven", I think Adam shifting the blame onto Eve contrasts here in the Quran where Satan is blaming God and not himself for his current state.

[@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156]

Qur’aan 7:23 "... Rabbanaa, ḏ̣alamnaa anfusanaa... = ... Our Lord, we have wronged ourselves..."

[@dodgysmum8340]

I really enjoyed the first 10 mins and the last. Would have liked to hear much more about the two creation stories, developments by the (especially 1 C) Talmudic patriarchy. Thanks though.

[@robmckay5421]

Adam is mentioned in the Qu'ran but there is no mention of Eve.

[@jasonatreides2542]

The odd thing is the New Testament is the highest relationship of love is between a Father and Son.

[@mohammadnaushad5221]

There are no name of eve in Quran please correct thumbnail

[@LongerLasting]

Easily the raunchiest episode to date. Rabbinical authorities devoting this much thought to sex is wild.

[@alanyachurch2347]

Dr Shari, I would like to talk about some matters, for example isn't it a sentence describe fell of nakhash? Not about his hands or legs? Actually bible never mentioned God took his hands and legs, mabe he had wings, who said it refers to hands and legs? And the sentence like the curse of woman or man is not litteral, eating from the dust is like I make u the least and bring u down, I think in Isaiah 14 or Ezekiel 28 say it again

[@stevesmith4901]

What I find really interesting about the Adam and Eve story is that God knew full well they would eat from the tree at the time He forbade them. He is God, the All-knowing. Their disobedience shouldn't have come as a surprise to God. And yet, when they eat from the tree, God is all like, 'What have you done? Did you do what I knew you would do when I told you not to do it?' I mean, come on, what's with all the feigned surprise God?

[@PathharaPathik]

This exercise was to teach Adam and Eve to ask for forgiveness when they fall short due to their capacity to do sin out of freewill. This is as per my understanding of Islam on this story.

[@stevesmith4901]

@@PathharaPathik So what you're saying is, it was all a setup from the start. It went exactly as planned and Adam and Eve got banished from paradise for it. Doesn't reflect well on God, don't you think?

[@magnusjacobssonsoderportgy2530]

Sorry to state the obvious: The myth is probably much older than the idea of an omniscient god.

[@adamsnow4979]

⁠@@stevesmith4901how so ? God tested Adam and Eve and choose by their own free will to sin. Even if God knew they would fall into that trap the responsibility belongs to them

[@PathharaPathik]

@@stevesmith4901 I see it as a mercy and love to us (human kind) from the most High who created us with freewill. So that every time we do sin, all we have to do is sincerely ask Him for forgiveness. Like our Parents. If you do not see it that way, I can not help.

[@isa-atm]

EATING THE FRUIT It may be that the fruit gave us the "sense of shame", and may also represent the development of the sense of moral behaviour, especially in relation to sexual moralities. That's why the following ayāt 7:28-33 talk about adorning ourselves with clothing and not display our nakedness like how the polytheists did, at least ritualistically. The interesting thing is: We were first naked, and we didn't care. Then we ate the fruit, developed the sense of shame and started using clothes (at least to cover our sexual parts). And interestingly we are also commanded not to ignore that sense, and to act by it. We also developed moral behaviour as a consequence. "Satan stripped off our clothing" (7:27) may refer to stripping off our innocence, and increasing the awareness of sexual morality This sense of sexual morality, along with the sense of justice, is probably what is referred to as "amānah" in surah 33:72, but Allah rebukes us as being unjust and ignorant to have taken it up.

[@ahmedshah6360]

I find it interesting that Jewish interpreters are so obsessed with the Hebrew when these stories predate Hebrew itself. and it is a very “Lawyer” type of interpretation. “Eve never seduced she just gave the Apple….” “Adam never said she SEDUCED me… he just said the woman you gave next to me gave it to me” This is typical literal re-interpretation a lawyer would do in a court. Devoid of the underlying themes making mythology beautiful…. With that said. Very entertaining guest and I learnt a lot from her ! :)

[@jacobortega3424]

“These stories predate Hebrew itself” huh? The Torah was and always has been written in ancient Hebrew, so I think you’re mistaken or mistyped

[@ahmedshah6360]

Similar myths were found in ancient Mesopotamia

[@JackDivision]

Adam and Eve were an adaptation by the Hebrews from the first of the mythical kingly succession of earlier civilisation Sumeria. Nîn-khursag was called the Lady of the Embryo or the Lady of Life, and she was the surrogate mother for Atâbba and Kâva, who were created from human ova fertilised by the Lord Enki. It was because of Nîn-khursag’s title, Lady of Life, that Kâva was later given the same distinction by the Hebrews. Indeed, the name Kâva (Ava or Eve) was subsequently said to mean life. In Sumerian, the style Lady of Life was Nîn-tî (Nîn meaning lady, and tî meaning life). Another Sumerian word, ti (with the longer pronunciation- tee) meant rib - and it was by virtue of the Hebrews’ misunderstanding of the two words, tî and ti, that Eve became incorrectly associated with Adam’s rib. According to the Professor Sumuel Noah Kramer there is sufficient reason to believe that the concept of a Divine Paradise originated in Sumerian lore. Since Abraham parents were from Ur, it is not unlikely to connect the proto hebrew shaping of myths are directly influenced by the source material found in Sumerian & later Babylonian narrative patterns.

[@momo19991]

Why is Eden on Earth in the Bible and described as paradise/heaven in the Quran?

[@georgiacap9294]

Because the Quranic version is false.

[@almazchati4178]

@@georgiacap9294 How do you know? There are more than one 'adam' in quranic narrative as well, multiple ancestors for humans. There is no 'Eden'. If there was, it would be in Gazza. That rules out Biblical narrative outright.

[@JUSLOFI]

@@georgiacap9294 The Quran version is as false as the Biblical version of the stories. I know of at least 5 ancient Mesopotamian stories that pre-date the Adam and Eve story. While these stories dont match the Quranic and Biblical narrative exactly, they contain similar elements, such as creating humanity from the ground, trees and serpents, which are often associated with life, knowledge, and immortality in ancient mythology.

[@georgiacap9294]

@@JUSLOFI I’d be interested in reading just one ancient Mesopotamian story about the creation of man that pre-dates Adam and Eve. Source and date of text please.

[@JUSLOFI]

In Kabbalah, there are two levels of Eden, an upper level in a realm called beriah and a lower level in a realm called yetzirah. Outside of Eden is the realm called Asiyah. This lines up with the Quranic Narrative. Adam was created in heaven (upper Eden), then placed on earth (lower Eden), then kicked out of the garden. islamichebrew.blogspot.com/2024/09/adams-creation-in-heaven-and-earth.html

[@Mariamblu]

They both made a mistake and repented. They both were misled. The female is to be seen as delicate and must be treated kindly

[@ahmediqbalsheik9246]

Comparison is based on the false premise that three different ways of life ( religions )were revealed .This is absurd that GOD in his wisdom would reveal different ways .This confusion stems from the fact that Christianity started as a fellowship and gradually became a philosophy then to an institution followed by developing into a culture and finally into an enterprise of the 20th century .All the aforementioned phases were born in different countries far from its origin

[@jason666king]

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[@williambrewer]

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[@chrisazure1624]

In her mind, what was the purpose of the sacrificial system? Why the day if atonement?

[@dadrewtv2]

the story of adam and "eve (not mentioned explisitly in quran) are much similarity with the early christian apocryphon writing (pre-islamic) titled "The life of adam and eve"

[@abbasr.7422]

My idea about their nakedness being exposed is that Adam and Eve had fur according to the evolution narrative of creation. After they ate from the forbidden fruit, it caused them hairloss (that's why probably it was forbidden) which caused their skin being exposed. Hence they were covering themselves with leaves. This creation story then fits the evolution story as well.

[@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156]

"... their nakedness being exposed is that Aadam and Eve had a fur, according to the evolution narrative." What's "the evolution narrative"?!? You just made it up😂

[@abbasr.7422]

@@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156 That the first hominides had fur like other animals but with homo sapience it dissapeared for some reason or another.

[@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156]

@@abbasr.7422 Okay, thanks for your reply!

[@isa-atm]

May be ... This "fur" interpretation of 7:20-27 seems to fit with the verse, but I'm not quite sure if that is what is meant. But yes, we are the only species that are so naked while the other primates are so furry. But i think, it may simply be that the fruit gave us the "sense of shame" as is usually understood. That involves less speculation. The interesting thing is: We were first naked, and we didn't care much about it. (We probably had clothing only for adornment - see 20:118). Then we ate the fruit, developed the sense of shame and started using clothes (at least to cover our sexual parts). And interestingly we are also commanded not to ignore that sense which we have take upon ourselves, and are also commanded to act by it. We may also have developed moralities regarding sexual behaviour as a consequence of this sin. "Satan stripped off our clothing" (7:27) refers to "clothing of God-conciousness (taqwā)" as referred to in the previous ayah 7:26, since Adam forgot about God's commands and his watch over him.

[@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156]

@isa-atm There is no connection with your comment to Allaah’s creation and evolution in the Qur’aan, except that you are making it up!

[@JackDivision]

At 53.00 dr. Shari is clueless about the reason why the nakedness is a problem all of a sudden. It is bcs they became self conscious after eating the fruit and let go of their animal mindset. Because basically they were clueless about being like animals in a zoo in paradise. After that realisation they needed clothes for protection. "For they have become like us", meaning they are not ignorant about their true existence anymore.

[@jacobortega3424]

She’s not clueless. You really think that a Old Testament scholar and professor isn’t aware of this Sunday school understanding? Lolol

[@Mizrahbless]

Es difícil creer estas historia ya que el ser humano tiene cientos de miles de años entonces para que dios crea a Adam y luego Eva ya eso es ciencia

[@jacobortega3424]

Muéstranos la ciencia

[@timothyfowers]

Do you believe in a literal Adam and Eve? How would that work with evolution? Was there preadamites that evolved enough that then God chose two of them for Adam and Eve? Why would God provide so much prove of evolution and create this strange way of choosing the first man and woman? Why can't Adam and Eve just be a myth that teaches some cool lessons about human behavior which is quite helpful, such as free will.

[@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156]

So, where did you get your supposed Free Will? Did science personally talked to you and told you? With your power of Free Will, inform me how you chose to be part of humankind!

[@timothyfowers]

@@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156 I don't understand what evolution has to do with free will

[@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156]

@timothyfowers You are a human, and "free will" is associated with the human by humans, and as all the physical non-living and living, including humankind, came to be by way of evolution, then there's is your "what evolution has to do with free will"!

[@timothyfowers]

@@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156 so are you agreeing that humans make up free will?

[@sandlikhaled]

della sporcizia della terra creato Adam ?? chi vi l,ha detto ??

[@lightvideos4542]

This has been proven on the authority of the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, as narrated by Al-Bukhari in his “Sahih” (3331) and Muslim in his “Sahih” (1468) on the authority of Abu Hurairah, may God be pleased with him, who said: The Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, said: Treat women well. The woman She was created from a rib, and the crookedest part of the rib is at the top, so if you go to straighten it, you will break it, and if you leave it, it will remain crooked, so treat women well . And the wording of “Muslim”: (Indeed, woman was created from a rib and will not be straight for you in any way, so if you enjoy her, you will enjoy her, and she is crooked, and if you go, you will avoid it Her mother, her brokenness, and her divorce.) The scholars differed regarding the meaning of (I was created from a rib): Is it from Adam’s ribs or from his crookedness?

[@munbruk]

No Eve in the Quran. It is what we call ayat "Mutashabihat". Also, no Cain or Abel. Some stories percolated to muslim minds through the tafsir or hadith. But not to the Quran.

[@hanh9707]

it depends on what you mean by eve. there is certainly "Adam's wife" in the Quran. but no name is given.

[@ace9924]

​@hanh9707 just because her name isn't mentioned, it doesn't mean that her name wasn't Eve. The Quran doesn't mention dinosaurs, does that mean that dinosaurs didn't exist? No.

[@homer1273]

NO the name eve is not in the Quran

[@homer1273]

​@@ace9924just because the Quran doesn't say she was blond doesnt mean she was not blond

[@ZenIslam19]

Cain and Abel are in Màidah 27 +/-

[@EquipteHarry]

Hall Betty Harris Gary Davis Gary

[@TheCaylu]

میرا ناصر صاحب سے سوال ہے کہ اگر جسٹس منیب بہترین قانونی دماغ ہیں تو پھر وہ کیس میں کیوں نہیں بیٹھے تاکہ ان کے دماغ کی قانونی روشنی سے دنیا بھی روشن ہوتی اور دوسرے جج بھی کچھ تبرک حاصل کر کے اپنی قانونی قابلیت کو بڑھاتے. آج کی کاروائی سے تو لگا ہے کہ وہ انتہائی بھونڈی دلیلوں سے آئین کے ساتھ کھلواڑ کر کے گئے ہیں؟

[@ahmediqbalsheik9246]

The original scriptures do not exist both in Judaism and Christianity, instead interpretations by way of Talmud and the books of the bible,both of which have multiple authors who have included fables, interpolations, contradictions, genocidal verses, pornography and slander. Therefore they are unreliable source of information which lends to the scepticism .Furthermore all the prophets preached (by revelation via Angel Gabriel ) the same set of commandments and they according to Matthew 26:39 and Numbers 16:4 prayed like Muslims by prostating .

[@AdamDylanMajor]

can you come in a more peaceful way into the discussion? or are you going to regurgitate whatever you heard from your local preacher? the discussion here is at a much higher level, caring about what Islam teaches and you're puking negative comments about the other sources? I'm ashamed of having the same religion as you do

[@dodgysmum8340]

You are just parroting your own Quranic dictum here - not an especially helpful or relevant comment on a comparative religion forum!

[@ahmediqbalsheik9246]

You must be more realistic since you are comparing​ the three so-called religions notwithstanding the fallacies inherent@@dodgysmum8340

[@zosiawane8235]

Every claim you have made about the previous scriptures applies equally to the Quran.

[@christianprinceears4653]

Quran describing Eve actions as one with Adams actions, is to represent them as one Body, it could also mean that Eve came from Adam---this is why Eve is Not Mentioned, she is part of Adams body. The Hadith which says "Because of Eve, women learned the feeling of betraying Husbands" this Hadith is explaining how Eve listened to Satan word, going against the word of Her Husband and against the Word of God who said to her do not listen to Satan. so, Eve started the sin of women listening to others over their Husbands, Hadith is not saying that Eve slept with Satan. The Story about the Food decaying--------is describing the Story of the Food that God gave to Israelis in the desert: God sends to Israelis food down from heaven/cloud, and God brings to Israelis Birds for meat, Israelis are commanded to take Food/bread and meat into their tents/Houses for one day, but they do not listen to God, so, they take food and meat in their tents for many days, and their Food starts to smell/decay. But, you are right this hadith copies directly from the Bible.

[@yasinmuhammadahmad7171]

Please do give reference of the Hadith?

[@33Nooberly]

The translations of the Quran related to Satan are in the same context as the Book of Job. However, since the earliest translations of the Quran came through Greek, many adopted the Greek interpretation. The Satan of the Quran is the same as in the Book of Job-God has no true adversaries.

[@jacobortega3424]

I’d say most translations of the Quran that we use today are not through Greek…

[@CHAKIBBRIXI-x8t]

The Jewish professor is jealous of Quran

[@adamsnow4979]

Bit harsh of you lol

[@momo19991]

pretty silly thing to say! There is nothing to be jealous of. Have you read the Torah?

[@CHAKIBBRIXI-x8t]

@@adamsnow4979 Many of the People of the Scripture wish they could turn you back to disbelief after you have believed, out of envy from themselves [even] after the truth has become clear to them. So pardon and overlook until Allah delivers His command. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent. 2:109

[@CHAKIBBRIXI-x8t]

@@momo19991 Many of the People of the Scripture wish they could turn you back to disbelief after you have believed, out of envy from themselves [even] after the truth has become clear to them. So pardon and overlook until Allah delivers His command. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent.2:109

[@momo19991]

@@CHAKIBBRIXI-x8t Sorry this is the standard aggrieved Islamic narrative. I am an atheist and do not believe in the divinity of any of these books. I am just interested in the history and reality.

[@bachamadu2076]

Too much imposition of feminist readings into anceint text won't help anyone. I'm in 17 :47 mark and I hope it will get better. Or with the pace she is going with who knows it's gonna get worse.

[@Shalom-gu7zz]

Jesus of Nazareth. Nasrallah is holy name for Christians. The name Nasrallah is derived from the name Nazareth . Arab Christians call G-d Allah. Nasrallah = Nasr + Allah. Nasr and Nazareth النَّاصِرَة is same word as Nasr ناصر . 🇵🇸 Free Palestine 🇵🇸 🍉 💚

[@doyouknoworjustbelieve6694]

Now look up Adam and Eve in ancient Mesopotamian, Canaanite and Egyptian mythology to learn about the mythical origins for this childish story.