ADAM COX SHARES NEVER HEARD BEFORE DETAILS ABOUT HIS SISTER LORI VALLOW DAYBELL

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

CHAPTERS: Intro: 0:00-1:40 Rex's relationship with Lori/ Cox Family: 1:41-3:47 Adam's and Rex's current emotions: 3:48-7:19 Brian Entin’s story about court: 7:20-8:48 John asks Adam how he has changed: 8:49-11:04 Adam's relationships now vs then w/ family: 11:05-20:39 Cox family reaction to the verdict: 20:40-23:01 Did Lori change?: 23:02-38:40 Did Lori's have trauma: 38:41-43:03 Chad copying other authors: 43:04

[@millerbeez9310]

"Did Lori's have trauma: 38:41-43:03" I wanted to hear about that mom and dad of theirs (Barry and Janice Cox). First of all, there's something VERY off about Janice Cox...and Lori's cousin has said some really damning things about Barry. TALK ABOUT THAT, Adam. I have a feeling that Adam is trying to shield his parents. Barry and Janice literally raised Lori, and I have no doubt that there are some skeletons that would add great perspective to this entire situation.

[@kateashley950]

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[@trurush]

My father was convicted of a double murder. He used my grampas gun from the war, came back to my grandparents house and turned the mud room into a crime scene trying to clean himself up. Very small town of Hood River Oregon, my grandparents, our family were well known in town. I’ve never gotten over the shock of my father doing that. He died in prison in 2001. Im still stunned and trying to understand. Edit: I do want to be clear that this is my biological father. We got away from him when I was 2, I was not raised by him.. I did go on to have a wonderful stepfather who changed my life forever. I lost him to cancer when I was 21 but he is still with me, 27 years later.. still guiding me and showing me real love from a father. 💜

[@khm2128]

Bless your heart. 💙🙏💙

[@fridaytieday]

Did you ever have contact with your bio father in jail?

[@trurush]

@@fridaytieday no i did not. I couldn’t imagine any conversation on any topic could produce anything positive. And I was so very angry that he brought the crime into my grandparents home. It was better to turn away and just try to heal.

[@sueknoll8567]

@@trurush you know sometimes that is the best thing, and you know who loves you.

[@RedRubyFarm]

Awww, I'm so sorry you had to through this pain. 🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️

[@sbaumgartner9848]

It's nice to see Adam and Rex speaking out and being a team. I look forward to listening to their podcasts. I realize murdering Tylee and JJ was the worst thing a parent can be involved in, I also feel for Charles. No one talks about Charles as much as I think they should, not just because he was Lori's husband and JJ's adopted step-father, but also because he was totally sane and kept warning people yet no one was able to stop what happened to him.

[@Michelebell74]

You're so right about Charles. It's still difficult for me to watch the bodycam footage of him trying to tell the police about her behavior. Heartbreaking 💔

[@jodievukmir3187]

​@@Michelebell74why didn't Lori's brother Adam show up that morning like they had planned on the intervention that morning?

[@Michelebell74]

@@jodievukmir3187 I wish I knew.

[@Goldie9899]

💯 agree and couldn’t have said it all better!! I feel the same way when it comes also to Lori’s other husband that was accused of SA and died Joe…like Adam said…there was a pattern. I think she manipulated and deceived so many people for a long time…it’s so heartbreaking how many lives were impacted by this horrific situation!!

[@larse9999]

​@@jodievukmir3187they were supposed to get together after Charles picked up JJ. In addition, Alex was supposed to host Adam at this house and they were supposed to hang out together but when Adam arrived in town, Alex was MIA and instead was at Lori's.

[@Jennifermcintyre]

Wow… Charles was paying for a nanny for the kids even though Lori didn’t work?!? So much for the “she’s such a great mother”.

[@merricat3025]

Yeah, she had good life with him. Just wasn't worshipped like a Goddess. Quite the psychopath

[@Jennifermcintyre]

@@merricat3025 I found it ironic that Adam would say Lori would end up with a NFL player or someone amazing… Charles was 100% that guy and Lori killed him to be with the butterball dimwit. 🤦‍♀️.

[@merricat3025]

@@Jennifermcintyre guess, nothing was ever good enough for her.

[@Sonjalynn97]

Khama….. omg and isn’t she actually hideous now that her Botox and injections have worn off? 💩💩 Yikes!!! Or maybe jail has just done a number on her…. Regardless, she’s a horrible person inside and out…. a true monster.

[@nonyabiz550]

That whole family is narcissistic. These two people have no feeling for the victims. They're enjoying the attention and trying to capitalize

[@globalcitizenn]

I hope Charles gets justice and Joe Ryan and Brandon too for false accusations and attempted murder

[@slix96]

I never realized how much Colby looks like Adam. I hope for everyone who has ever been associated with Lori Daybell( she does not deserve to have Charles’ last name) finds healing and true peace.

[@RogueMomma25]

" Love is unconditional. Relationship is not." Powerful statement for family members of those with personality disorders.

[@angelanew72]

I’m saving this one for my own family relationships. Thanks for these words I can add to my toolbox. “ My love for you is unconditional. Our relationship is conditional. Powerful!

[@marshapieroni6677]

​@@angelanew72same here. When I heard it I wanted to jot it down so I would not forget.

[@CatkinNomi]

Which one said that? Adam or Rex?

[@love2watchmovies1]

@@CatkinNomiRex said that

[@CatkinNomi]

@@love2watchmovies1 ok, sorry and thank you

[@christinahall3991]

Love what Rex says: love is unconditional but relationships are not

[@jeannemarie5908]

This does not make sense to me. What then is love? My mother walked away from all her children. She professed to love us. How could she? She didn’t know us and she abandoned each of us. She did NOT love us. It made her feel good to think for herself as loving us. I love my very difficult family. I maintain relationships with them. I care about them. No, no one has unalived anyone. I do have a brother who did something that I can not forget .. do I continue to love him? I forgave him .. but, I have estranged myself from him. Love him? I am not sure. Definitely something to think about. When someone does something so egregious; such a violation to another’s value system .. yea, it causes an internal conflict .. we have to choose which we value more. I chose to value the innocence of a child more than the bond of siblings. I can’t say honestly say I love or care about him any longer.

[@dz7a756]

I think you can have love for someone, but because of their actions that can lead to detrimental consequences, you have to have boundaries...where having unfiltered access is not possible. I believe that's where he is coming from with that statement. Be well and be at peace.

[@connerra]

@@dz7a756 Thank you - well said!

[@dz7a756]

@connerra I don't even know where to begin. I am so sorry for all that your family has to bear. Please know that I can truly say that I am praying for you, Adam, Colby, Summer, and the rest of the family. Although a good number of people who are into true crime seem to be taking it in like entertainment (and sometimes that tends to happen), at least let me say for myself, that I always try to remind myself that there are very real people who are grieving and are deeply hurt by this level of darkness that has seemingly taken over a family. Wishing you all true peace, light, and love. Be well and be at peace.

[@hopeful6157]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@seren9613]

I'm sitting here tonight in Australia after finding out a family member may have been involved in the murder of a baby. Watching the news and finding out your family member is under investigation absolutely gutted me. I came on KZbin to watch the news stories related and this came up. It felt like kismet. God Bless you both Adam & Rex and all the extended family I pray for healing for you all. 🙏 😞 RIP Charles, Tylee, JJ & Tammy 😢

[@nadzach]

I'm so sorry.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

I am so very sorry ❤

[@seren9613]

@zero-wl3rz I am so gutted for that poor little baby and his parents. I don't know what to do with the rest of it yet. Hugs thank you 🤍

[@seren9613]

@HiddenTrueCrime thank you me too for a sweet baby and his parents. He never got a chance at life his life's been stolen from him in the most horrific way. 💔

[@tagr7269]

❤

[@justanothersmith6012]

I don’t think Adam is just depressed, I think he’s grieving. He not only lost those that died, but the sister and their family’s relationship as it once was. He also went through a divorce not long ago. Rex seems like a great person to help him talk through it and build a different, but wonderful life.

[@denysemcalister3390]

My thoughts too...I think you're 'spot on'.

[@lornam3637]

I agree. Every morning he wakes up to a reality that no normal person could compute. He sounds amazing to me, very strong, very healthy mentally. I'm not surprised Charles turned to him. No one could truly come to terms with such unpredictable surreal goings on. He shouldn't have to. He should be so proud of how he dealt with everything, as should Brendan. I hope he can put this behind him and that the rest of the family can regain his respect - very much worth having! Good luck Adam, your uncle seems like a great guy too!

[@KissMyBiscuits]

Yes, totally agree!

[@reneecoulthard338]

It's totally common for those who are grieving to be depressed, usually it's "short-lived". But it's still depression.

[@marsharowaihy6725]

Great Point!! Yes, he’s grieving the relationship he once had with his sister-which he said they were very close prior to this tragedy. He lost his niece & nephew. No more gatherings for holidays & birthdays. Therapy would really help along with faith in God

[@lesilmcguire4690]

Adam Cox “ she wanted to be somebody special in the church. She wasn’t getting the special things she wanted so she made them up. She wanted validation that she was somebody special”. What an amazing insight and how brave of him to go in for the analysis that leads to better understanding when horrible things happen. ❤️

[@kabbystevens5167]

In retrospect..Can the family and friends of Lori see she has always had the need for special validation?

[@lorrainefranchi9105]

Ya know what- I really think you're right. She (and a lot of people) seem to desperately need to feel special, and it's this desperate need that drives them to heinous acts.

[@gointothedogs4634]

Sure, but what glitch in her thinking led her to believe that being special meant becoming a serial killer?

[@jeannemarie5908]

Dr. John, you have definitely mastered the art of interviewing to get to the heart of issues without causing defensiveness or having the interviewee shut down.

[@annjacobs1298]

If you listen to Annie Cushing's A Murderous Heart podcast, you see a different picture of Adam Cox. His ex wife talked to the police, he didn't. The inability to talk about family dynamics speaks volumes and his loyalty to family secrets remain. There is a lot more going on than we will ever know. Folks can't heal when they keep secrets.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Welcome to the channel where we always state “you are as sane or as sick as the secrets you keep” -Dr John I’m not sure there is a vast different picture, as much as a different way of presenting info

[@graedot]

I haven't listened to the podcast but I can see it. This whole family is buried in tainted secrets and can't seem to dig their way out. Obviously, Lori also has major biological mental health issues. Just heard the story about Summer slapping Lori and he's laughing about it. Dude. That's just weird for 8-year old kids to be doing this.

[@lindaolsen7089]

@@HiddenTrueCrime The laughter and sort of Happy Shiny Mormon Family affect has unnerved me throughout this family over time. It's off and misplaced. In their podcast, they say they do it as a coping mechanism with this dark story. But I see it as hiding heavy things, or secrets, behind joking and light banter and bizarre little family stories that seem to highlight the disconnect between family members rather than showing intimate or warm moments. Most telling was Adam and Uncle Rex both admitting they had not see your interview with Megan Conner. But Rex wanted to explain. And then he basically said 1. I love Megan 2. I don't need to listen to two sides 3. I think sharing is important for healing 4. I don't need to mediate and 5. I can just let Megan be Megan. It was bizarre and made no sense. It was so completely passive / aggressive towards her, and he rolls out his line about sharing being important for healing but I'll just let Megan be Megan. (implied: over there). Completely othering Megan. It was non-responsive word salad really, when a simple, "No, I haven't heard it yet." But even stranger was his smiling and his affect. Like THAT was his positive spin. Total mismatch between message and affect he's presenting. Complete red flag. Like Alex being the smiling, joking assassin. Like Janis Cox outright laughing and turning her head dismissing the idea that Lori is "brainwashed" and that Alex is the family assassin. Laughing while her daughter is in jail for failing to produce her children for a well being check, her son has died suddenly and mysteriously, and 2 of her minor grandchildren are nowhere anybody but Lori knows. But she can laugh and smile during this on her "knowing Lori is a wonderful mother." Completely off in her affect. I have never seen a family dynamic like this but strange and misplaced affect seems designed to minimize, distract and deflect and get people to stop trusting their instincts. I don't believe Lori changed in a dramatic way. I think she was on a trajectory and was enabled her entire life. Golden Child syndrome. And this family has a deep need to project fun, closeness and funny, cute family stories that quite frankly show how disconnected members are from each other. And laughter and smiling throughout is the thin veneer they use for a smooth finish.

[@mistymac9345]

To be completely honest.... there's the red flag.

[@esindirik4447]

can you point me towards which episode?

[@jennydiver100]

Charles didn't just "die," he didn't "pass." He was murdered.

[@candiceparr4174]

Yes. It us disturbing to listen to the difference in Adam's return call to investigators August 9 2019, and what he says now. Sounds a lot like lying

[@MissJensk1]

​@@candiceparr4174I agree with you guys

[@ainokea911]

Listening to Adam say I know their was more that Tylee wanted say. Tylee probably had the look of, I'm scared. I cringed when he said that because if Lori could scare that woman who testified about threatening to kill her, I'm sure she threatened Tylee. They got rid of Tylee because they were afraid that she would say something about what truly happen that day Alex shot Charles dead. Lori is a cold blooded killer. And Chad is the same thing no different, cold blooded killer. They used innocent children to prey on. Cold blooded killers. 🤮🤮🤮

[@ppw2393]

​@@ajordan1976 No he didn't, he was manipulated. Alex had him coming to his home from the airport, but didn't show up.

[@tinamcleod3928]

I agree 💯 That needs to be reiterated a LOT !!

[@SunnyDay335]

Would Adam's depression be considered a natural and healthy response to this abhorrent crime? Like a death, the process of healing in the aftermath has many stages. Yet this is not only the death of an extended family system, but actually numerous deaths of loved ones. So sad. This is going to take a lot of time to heal from.

[@hopeg8031]

Yes, I agree. Not only that, but I would assume his own personal reality and what he thought he knew to be true in the world has shifted. There are so many layers to his grief.

[@gtaylor6937]

Plus it's the death of how he held his family - he has said in a past interview that he thought he was loved and respected by his family, only to be cut off by them when he was trying to help. The hurt from something like that goes really deep, even if you have forgiven everyone involved.

[@sew161]

He also could've been killed, by his own flesh and blood. That would shake anyone to the core.

[@justkiddin84]

Yes, definitely. The loss of the two kids in the family, a sister, a brother, and the rejection by his family of his warnings and his trying to tell them. Lord yes, it would take years to get back from that.

[@jessieessex]

@@hopeg8031Agreed, it’s complex.

[@glamdolly30]

Alex Cox's first wife Deborah went on record to say they divorced in part, due to his inappropriately sexual behaviour with his sister Lori. Alex would say Lori was 'hot', pick her up with her legs wrapped round his waist, and bounce her up and down, simulating sex. When Deborah challenged him about his creepy dynamic with Lori, he said it was a joke, and told her she was getting upset over nothing. She told him she wouldn't behave that way with a brother - and asked him if he would be OK about any children they had acting in the same, sexual way together. Deborah also said Alex and Lori's parents Janice and Barry would talk about their sex life in graphic detail in front of their adult kids. She was shocked and embarrassed - but none of the Cox children thought anything of it. I would like Adam to talk about this aspect of his childhood - and specifically, his brother and sister's strange relationship. It is surely beyond doubt they had a weirdly close bond, more like lovers than siblings. Alex was known as Lori's personal hit man - he hated her first husband Joseph Ryan, and served jail time for attacking him with a taser gun, and threatening to kill him (I believe he eventually did). As we know, Alex also shot her next husband Charles Vallow dead in an ambush when he came to her home to collect their little boy JJ and take him to school. Alex also joined Lori and her lover/husband Chad Daybell, in murdering her two children, and likely Chad's wife Tammy too (his cellphone was near the Daybell home on the night of her mysterious death). Alex own sudden death was extremely suspicious. He has spoken about being used by Lori as the 'fall guy'. Does Adam think his sister killed/had him killed, to take the rap for her crimes? As Adam has now launched this new podcast in the name of his murdered niece and nephew, I hope he is willing to be honest, and talk openly about some difficult subjects - out of respect to those two tragic children.

[@lomoliving5528]

As far as the childhood part, I think people forget that Adam was out of the house by the time Lori was in her rowdy teens. He also moved out of their city (possibly state, I don't remember). I'm just saying that because there are so many comments expecting him to know all of these answers about the family and I personally think he just didn't witness what others did.

[@missyroberts100]

“Loving” Megan means LISTENING to Megan. Not neglecting or ignoring her experience no matter how “politely” not listening to her was couched/stated. There are problems around female voices in this interview. Alex Cox’s ex wife’s experience of Alex and Lori was dismissed/scoffed at in this interview as well.

[@StellaFl]

Yup! Very dismissive and not believable.

[@jeannemarie5908]

I was flabbergasted that he doesn’t even see the oxymoronic nature of his statements. He professes to want everyone to express their experiences and heal .. they will listen to anything .. uh hu … sure you don’t listen to Megan. Why listen to anyone else? Why should I share my experience with him? He doesn’t really want to know.

[@StellaFl]

@@jeannemarie5908 Megan was very believable to me in her interviews, much more than I can say for the other members of the family

[@jeannemarie5908]

@@StellaFl Agreed. Megan is authentic and raw. Believable.

[@graedot]

Yes. These people are still in denial of how screwed up they are.

[@eyes_wide_open23]

You hit the nail on the head Dr. John. There seems to be a lot of denial that runs deep in this family dynamic. Often times an abuse like Adam describes sounds like a family secret that possibly got swept into the closet. Older siblings can live a lifetime never really knowing their families true secrets. I've seen it happen in my mom's family. No one knew what my mom went through with a family member until after that family member died. Then the truth came out. So very sad for everyone involved. My heart breaks for all of them. My thoughts and prayers are with the familes. Early drugs, early marriage, abusive marriage, family alienation, all classic signs. I see the direction you are going John. Wanting to understand her history that helped shape her. Thank you for asking those questions. I've been beside myself wondering myself.

[@earthrooster1969]

Wow...elder siblings not getting the family dynamics resonates with me a LOT!

[@dejuhvu1793]

@@earthrooster1969what do you mean by that? Why elder siblings specifically?

[@iffyangel3380]

Dr. John asked the questions, but Adam skirted around all of them! Look at Dr. John's facial reactions!

[@beanyboomer5391]

@@dejuhvu1793I get this….five of us kids, I’m second to youngest..My oldest sister, six years, had the better part of our parents marriage. Then she was out of the house and wasn’t really there to see the aftermath of divorce and all…she doesn’t get my experience at home at all.

[@gtaylor6937]

Poor Adam. To have your whole life derailed by this nightmare. For a fun, lighthearted guy to lose the ability to be happy and enjoy life, that just breaks my heart. Hopefully the years ahead will help him get that back. Bless his heart.

[@macb8309]

And to lose his marriage, to boot. 💔

[@AuntVicki10]

He chose to move to St George. I mean this makes no sense. His wife made a decision that made sense.

[@motherbear327]

Poor guy has been traumatized by all of this. I can't imagine what they've all been through.

[@cyntmacz]

Listen to his ex. Adam and the perverted Cox family were lousy in-laws. She should run- not walk away from him. It was the best thing she could do for herself. He is still in deep denial. What will he say when it becomes known that his nieces and possibly nephews were molested by his father and brother. Probably from an early age. Very early. Tylee was killed by a molester. The brother of this guy.

[@susanberg5817]

Yes, and he tried to warn his family, that something was wrong with Lori and nobody would listen. I can imagine, that makes it so much harder to look back on.

[@hopeg8031]

Lauren: I hope you don’t let a few people in chat taint your view of this interview. It was incredibly well done and insightful. I will be listening to their podcast, and I would love to see them on this channel again. Thank you Adam, Rex, Lauren, and John for allowing us to listen in on your discussion. For me, it is healing to talk/listen more about this situation.

[@ashleykane4951]

Me too!! Totally agree! Adam & Rex are really the most genuine as a whole bunch!

[@kathleenk7170]

Yes. Thank you so much for allowing us inside the family storm. We all come from families and it’s never something we anticipate to experience first hand❤.

[@kathleenk7170]

John and Lauren not often here bb it your work is Divine and holy. Thanks so much. ❤

[@jessm719]

Love is unconditional, relationships are not. Wow. That sent chills down my spine. What a great conversation! Thank you all 🤍

[@merricat3025]

Not true though

[@shannonsutorius3944]

Love is conditional!

[@BlueSky-se8oy]

@@merricat3025why isn’t it true? Interested to hear your take.

[@merricat3025]

@BlueSky-se8oy well, there are people that love others that has conditions. A sister is always going to be your sister regardless on how you get along. The relationship being siblings.. Your relationship (how you get along) can be good, bad or indifferent. Eta. His love for Lori sounds conditional. She is a murderer so no longer loves her. I am not saying that how he feels about her is right or wrong

[@ilenhalogram]

I felt similar - never heard it put that way before 💖. Made a lot of sense to me 🫶

[@kristendavis7870]

There is an unbelievable amount of denial in this family!

[@jeannemarie5908]

And I thought I was the only one who recognized this!! Enormous!!

[@graedot]

Thank you. Something doesn't sit right with me. But I was glad to hear them say Lori deserves to be in jail for the rest of her life to be miserable. Yet, still - maybe it was that I haven't heard anything about their therapy and too much about pickleball. 🤔

[@esindirik4447]

I think I'm missing something. what do you think Adam's denying? just curious.

[@Nonameforyoudangit]

​@@esindirik4447 How deeply dysfunctional his family was / is, and how it has shaped him. He carries complicated feelings about what has happened and I guarantee you that he is not 100% clear on what they are. It's one thing for him to be clearer on Lori... but he is not Lori. What about him?

[@crystalwright9655]

They all act weird

[@Jennifermcintyre]

Of course they killed Joe Ryan… it makes 100% more sense Than anything. And it’s not normal for people to say their going to “take someone out”. Joseph Ryan was determined to be innocent of all of the allegations against him. Lori destroyed then killed Joseph Ryan. 100%

[@Cruella-mm6qo]

Joe Ryan was a child abuser you can be a child abuser and a victim of a murder at the same time. It’s very sick to pretend that he wasn’t.

[@xsparklinggemzx]

I thought he died of natural causes?

[@amyjt35]

Something tells me there was foul play with Joe’s passing too! What is troubling for me with him being cleared of all allegations though as I recall an interview with Colby, who confirmed and validated the allegations were true, and admitting he was molested by Joe. To my knowledge, he has not retracted that admission or owned up to knowingly lying to support Lorie’s narrative. I suppose it may be possible that somehow she succeeded at manipulating Colby so that he actually began to believe it in being true or those things actually happened when they really didn’t, but he seemed to be certain in his statements supporting the allegations. I’d like to be confident in saying the legal system and authorities determined Joe was innocent and cleared him of all charges so he was innocent, but unfortunately it’s not a perfect system, and I’ve seen it determine the incorrect or wrong outcome in my lifetime as much as I’ve witnessed it being correct. It’s an occurrence far too often for me to give logic to it happening on rare occasion. Still, whether Joe was truly innocent or not, I’m not saying it would be understandable why Lori and/or Lori & Alex conspired and murdered him. If they did actually kill him, I doubt that truth had anything to do with Lori’s motivation, even if it did for Alex since he maintained that’s why he had conflict with Joe and tased him previously. I’m sure the money and power would’ve still been her motive , true to her pattern and m.o.

[@amyshew1151]

I feel so bad for Colby . I don’t want to invalidate a child victim , but looking at the whole of it makes me lean toward Lori convincing him of a lie .

[@louhortonsculpture]

It’s possible to get kids to admit to things that didn’t happen. That’s what happened with the book, Michelle Remembers, that was part of the Satanic Panic. I don’t think I’d be able to admit to myself that Joe died for no good reason if I had been under his care as a child.

[@juneandrews4378]

I have always admired Adam. He listened to the voice of reason with Charles. Bless you. (You too Rex.)

[@Charlize3333]

Adam’s loyalty to his immediate family is still evident ; despite the way they’ve treated him, and so far I’m yet to hear him being prepared to examine his father, and the role he may have played in who Laurie and Alex turned out to be. The family secrets, so to speak. I’m only halfway through, interested to see if he’s prepared to go there.

[@BlueSky-se8oy]

Do you feel like he is?

[@erinstaley2885]

I came to the comments looking for something about this. I’m also only halfway through but I somewhat pick up on Adam being uncomfortable when Dr. John is asking about childhood trauma that was mentioned about Laurie AND Alex. That could be something in childhood or it could be all of their freaking murders. I don’t think either of them felt an ounce of guilt or trauma when it came to the murders so I’m going to lean toward childhood…. We shall see if Adam mentions anything else.

[@MK-sv4vy]

Very interesting that Adam doesn’t mention more about the family dynamics/ beliefs (Mormonism) growing up. I’m wondering about sister Stacy’s death.. could the parents/Alex have had something to do with it? Was there life insurance?

[@lianehihath3439]

I was thinking the same thing. Nobody speaks about the Patriarch Barry. I feel certain there is a very good reason for that. I feel sorry for anybody except Lori who has Barry and Janice for parents. Huge hippocrtics.

[@wesliepowell5698]

Yes, I would expect to find sexual abuse in Lori's childhood, just from her early marriage history and what her cousin Megan Conner reported from her early teen experiences with Lori. He was not a good guy-- the whole family system was twisted.

[@paulaoppedisano6460]

I wonder what they have to say about their sister Stacy’s death? Alex being there and the family not returning from Hawaii for the funeral.

[@rachelsmith2524]

That is a super bizarre story, like no one could be bothered to care for Stacy.. huge red flag

[@anastasiabeaverhausen2996]

They had the funeral when they got back from Hawaii, but they let her die alone in hospice when they knew she was dying.

[@melodieshimon]

Ugh the whole lot of them

[@jeneagillespie1641]

Adam either doesn’t know about it or he doesn’t want to talk about the sexual abuse that went on with Laurie from her father. There were some really twisted things going on in that Cox home.

[@candiceparr4174]

Adam is lying and gaslighting

[@jeannemarie5908]

He cast doubt on it by accusing the 5th grade school teacher. I wonder if that is true of a way to deflect attention from the family.

[@wendyandrew3707]

Lori was very sexually precocious at too young an age as reported by her cousin. Alex doing weird things in front of family by his ex wife. They must have been aware of those things unless that was normal for them. Stacy's death was dubious to say the least.

[@Tawadeb]

And Lori and Alex

[@Jessica-wo6px]

He is in denial

[@lamesafilipinofoodclub6202]

I am so grateful that as the years pass and we learn more and more and more you and dr John continue to explore in a caring way rather than exploitative ways. This happened to REAL people and you both have never ever once lost sight of that. The domino effect of Lori and chads behaviours are so astronomical

[@lyndaczika6327]

@@DakotaLoving who cares??? Seriously?? Maybe the family members of those so callously murdered??

[@michellegallegos8749]

Wow! Just wow! Amazing episode!! Lauren, with your journalistic background and natural instinct to ask questions we all want answers to, and Dr. John, providing a mentally balanced approach. Truly great to see you both at your best during this episode. Thank you!

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you!

[@Globelle]

I did notice on the Netflix documentary that Lori's mother did not mention her older daughter that passed away or the young one that passed away. That was really odd to me. I lost my 19 yr old step son almost 4yrs ago and when asked about my kids, I still say he's one of my kids. For me, death doesn't stop that.

[@StellaFl]

I noticed that too but it could be an editing error.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

It was editing and a choice of the Netflix director to not bring up Stacey

[@Globelle]

I also noticed that Janice described each of her kids in glowing terms but as far as Summer, nothing was said.

[@conniebradley1840]

The moment that Adam and Rex both get big smiles ….. so nice to see! Thanks for the interview!

[@janeen70]

This was a fantastic interview. Lauren asks so many of the questions we all have, even the uncomfortable ones with such grace.

[@susie4Him]

Many of us have been through family pain. But most of us havent been at this level nor likely never be.... with the world watching and judging. These guys have courage. Compassion and understanding for all the emotions that Adam, especially is going through, would be appropriate here. Great interview.

[@pattic4513]

👏👏👏

[@eleanorbrown8005]

I like Adam and his son zack they are a breath of fresh air in that dysfunctional family I can feel their sadness 🎉

[@Michelebell74]

Exactly how I feel too. They are both very likeable and "normal," especially compared to the rest of their family and associates.

[@lianehihath3439]

I think it was beneficial that Adam and Zach had some degree of separation from the wacked out Cox family.

[@lindavirgilio4225]

In Lori’s mom’s mind, Lori could do no wrong. They believed Lori regardless of how outrageous her words, beliefs, and accusations were.

[@barbarabrewer7086]

Do you know them personally?

[@kathleenk7170]

The conditioning is deep

[@jessieessex]

Up to a point.

[@Jennifermcintyre]

She was enabled and if it was up to Lori’s family… Lori and Chad would still be free

[@sbaumgartner9848]

I think the father was also obsessed with Lori. I saw a KZbin episode where he paid for her to have breast implants so she would look better for her teenage beauty contest. I think she may have been married at that time.

[@TuberRose333]

Noticing a strong family resemblance between Rex and Alex. These are good men working through a family tragedy. Best of luck to them both.

[@janicescott7338]

Me too, first thing I noticed was how much Alex looked like his uncle.

[@kathywayman6436]

I just added a comment about it-it just struck me today in watching the video.

[@wompppwompwomppp]

Adam literally has blood on his hands. He and two of his radio hosts killed a woman by forcing her to drink so much water she died. They are on air joking about it and talking about a case of a young man who died from the same thing. They ignored nurses calling in and warning them people could die. They laughed. And a mother of three died. He's just as bad as Alex and Lori

[@cathflorence761]

It is quite noticeable.

[@MKConnecticut]

Thank you, Lauren and Dr John , for doing (and GETTING) this interview and handling it with such professionalism and equally, with such CARE. No regular media “gotcha” questions or for putting these traumatized victims through yet more trauma. That’s a SKILL you both possess- along with big hearts ❤️You’re making a BIG difference and you’re both appreciated so much. I didn’t cringe once

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you!!

[@NonaMlou]

So true! No one interviews better in tandem than Lauren & Dr John!! Honorable mention and 2nd place goes to John Dehlin & Margy but Mormon Stories has a different tone all together. Hidden True Crime is my go to Podcast!! Yes, I am so ready to move on to other stories but this one is so crazy - like boiling 5 lbs of spaghetti, dumping it on a platter, and trying to unravel all of the strands!!! Lauren & Dr Babe are the Lady & the Tramp of getting to the meatball with tact, subtlety, and a deep sincere nurturing caring manner. God bless you both!

[@laurengarcia1023]

My heart breaks for Adam. I really admire his strength and honesty. He is doing way better than I would be. In a world of clickbait videos with little regard for honesty, your channel really is a gem. I love how you and Dr John strike a great balance and let the guests speak openly but ask thoughtful questions. Your channel and interviews really are special. Thank you for all your hard work ❤

[@wompppwompwomppp]

He literally got a mother of three killed on his radio show but yeah let's feel bad for him.

[@NonaMlou]

@walkanother9268 what? Please elaborate on that?! Who was the mother of three? In which city? Adam was in radio for many years in many different cities! I am so invested in this whole crazy convoluted story. The tentacles of evil are SO far reaching!!

[@canisamator7937]

Adam- I'm so sorry what you've been through. Talking about trauma can be very healing and that is what I wish you & your family.

[@shannanbegley8189]

Thank you for doing this interview, Adam and Rex!

[@marytracy2904]

Adam, I’m sorry about the divorce. I imagine the past four years would’ve been very trying. Alex and I were friends and I knew him when y’all had a tight family. I remember the Sunday football score tradition. I was so impressed by that. You’re allowed to be sad and depressed. You’re also allowed to be happy. ❤

[@wompppwompwomppp]

Adam can rot. He killed a mother of three. Look up the audio of him and his hosts mocking her before she died of water intoxication that they knew was a possibility because multiple nurses called in to warn them they were going to kill someone. That entire family can rot

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

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[@millerbeez9310]

"Did you see Alex and Lori have an inappropriate relationship" Adam's laughing reaction is the same as Janice's and Summer's when the interviewer asked them if Lori might have been brainwashed. Very notable.

[@sugargold4126]

Good pick up.

[@badger313]

The fact that they think these behaviors, including Summer flipping her uncle off at the age of 2 & scratching Adam's friends & Alex being inappropriately "funny" unless you knew him, is normal & funny kind of says a lot

[@spongebobsqueeze]

I can’t imagine the nightmare Adam Cox must have been going through being so close to his family and suddenly finding himself alone with his perspective ,his common sense and his suspicions. It must have been such a confusing and helpless feeling. Like being alone, In the dark screaming with no one who would listen.

[@Springmemory139]

I love that Uncle Rex has replied to some of the insensitive comments that some have made, but in such a healthy and loving way. It shows even more what a good man he is.

[@sfilkins2009]

I had heard the Adam Cox telephone call during the trial and said to myself, 'there is the sanest of the whole bunch' and it was amazing to hear his take on the whole thing. I am curious if there was any apology given to Adam by his parents after the Lori Daybell trial or if they still keep him at a distance as being 'dark' in their own estimation. By the way, just because you can preach a good funeral does not make you 'spiritual.' Who can truly know the heart but God? No wonder it was a family joke.

[@ashleykane4951]

Exactly, same thoughts!

[@juliewerner4024]

I saw Adam and Rex interviewed by Brian etten...Adam stated he has reconnected with his parents, they gave dinner once a week...but that the relationship is changed...he needs to forgive as hard as that is to survive

[@sfilkins2009]

@@juliewerner4024 oh! thanks for that. I just happened across that video and haven't had a chance to listen to it yet. Thanks for the heads up on that info.

[@tinapack3162]

That is a good question. Man the heartaches kept compounding upon their family even the truest ones left to survive. In a way I am glad those that have passed are not having to suffer the aftermath and fallout of these atrocities. But I pray for these guys and their families to find peace in their hearts and minds. And their struggles for peace in their hearts will be great trying to find a way to forgive all of the wrongdoing, otherwise they will suffer more deeply living the memories over and over. It truly is the only way to survive in this world.

[@grammichal6759]

@@juliewerner4024 I heard Nate Eaton thoughtfully interviewing these gentlemen.

[@clairegray6027]

It really hurts my heart that Tylee is not here safe with her family who loves her..and away from those who used her and took her for granted. She looks a lot like her Uncle Adam..

[@janetbackes6298]

It really hurts my heart that you only mention Tylee. JJ should also be safe alive with his family too. These children are not forgotten ♥️

[@shrutefarms4741]

@@janetbackes6298stop it!

[@candiceparr4174]

Tylee was not safe with her family.

[@jayli53]

@@candiceparr4174 yes unfortunately I believe Lori saw Tylee as a loose end. Tylee was witness to Charles’s murder and Lori couldn’t guarantee she wouldn’t confess/implicate her in the crime. Along with everything else, of course (sex, lust, greed) that motivated Lori.

[@candiceparr4174]

@jayli53 I've thought it's likely Tylee saw the actual murder of Charles. I do not think she knew of the "plan" but was given the 3rd degree by Lori as JJ was being taken to school. Yes, she was a liability. Poor kid.

[@KimberlyMack2005]

Just now watching this❤ I pray for this family, along with the Vallow family. This has helped me in trying to understand my own family. My oldest son died in a car accident, his brother, my second son , has been on Meth, etc. Things I don’t even know about. He’s broken me into a million pieces , but thankful for the support of my family, who has always been there to pick me up

[@crystaldawn9255]

It's sad when something serious happens and somebody's life and you see the change. Or happens in your life and you feel the change. It's almost like a part of you that was innocent is taken away. Somebody who was lighthearted and fun and free goes through something horrid and there's a new seriousness to them. I totally understand Adam

[@BlueSky-se8oy]

Great points.

[@raegrinstead963]

Adam, you have every right to be depressed by this, it's so sad! You guys lost so many family members at once. It's a lot!!

[@wompppwompwomppp]

Hopefully he feels an ounce of the pain inflicted on the three children who's mom he murdered on his stupid radio show.

[@MK-sv4vy]

Lauren just hit the nail on the head! Where were these men when Tylee and JJ were missing? PROTECTING THEMSELVES 😔 God please bring light to this entire situation 🙏💕 A book and podcast highlighting the children’s names (quick recognition) 😔 I AM SO SORRY TYLEE AND JJ😔 millions of good people LOVE YOU 💖💕

[@lomoliving5528]

Adam was out doing different TV shows and getting media coverage for the story before the kids were found.

[@ackhak]

I also find it noteworthy that Adam refers to Lori marrying a drug dealer while she’s also doing drugs as “odd behavior”. This is so similar to Mel G referring to Lori’s & Chad’s adultery as “odd”. Why is it so hard for both Adam & Mel G to say that this behavior is wrong? It isn’t odd. It’s wrong.

[@tonics7121]

Listening to Mel's testimony last week, I was appalled by her use of the word "odd" re Lori's and Chad's affair. You are 💯 on target.

[@ZSC92]

Love this! One thing I noticed about Tylee is how incredibly intelligent she was. I look forward to hearing more about her.

[@ConnieLeinicke]

Something similar to what LVD did to Charles happened to my sibling. Like Adam, my first reaction was “This doesn’t happen in my family!” The shock rippled thru our family for many months.

[@mtngrl5859]

Interesting Interview. I noticed cold anger on Rex's face when Lauren mentioned her interview with Megan Connor. That interview with Megan was insightful into the dysfunctional Cox family. Megan opened the door into the shady aspects of the family. Look at how the 2 men didn't offer any insight into what could of given Lori any trauma. So, when it was mentioned that Lori could of been abused by a teacher at school who was a known abuser, they have zero response. When Lauren mentions how terrible that was, they do not react at all. Seriously out of a family of 5 children, 2 are have committed multiple murderers. This is not an every day American family. While they laughed at Barry Cox being "spiritual" he did participate in upper level activities at the LDS temple. He spent time in jail for his refusing to pay taxes. I was reading a book that was published 2 years ago that recounted a high school friend of Lori's that wasn't named. This person recounted that Lori told her that her brother Alex was pushing her to have sex with him. Megan talked about that she felt uncomfortable around Barry Cox, he touched her in a way that made her feel uncomfortable. Megan said she was shocked when she first stayed with Lori's family, that they had much looser morals. Megan said that she wasn't surprised to hear that Barry and his wife were rumored to have a sexually open relationship, she noted that Lori's mom wore tight clothes and appeared sexually provocative. Megan also heard rumors that Barry had photos of children in a sexualized manner on his computer.

[@connerra]

Thank you for these thoughtful comments, mtngrl! If their was cold anger on my face when Lauren mentioned Megan - that's my bad! I have no anger toward Megan - I've never had a reason for it. I don't doubt Megan's observations at all, I just didn't have the same experiences as she did. I believe Lori was abused by that teacher at school, and possibly by others. I have no evidence of that, so I generally don't weigh-in on that discussion. As far as this not being an every day American family - I'm with you 100%! Thank you for being engaged in this effort to find justice for the victims!!

[@mtngrl5859]

@@connerra Thanks for your reply, I didn't expect it;) Sometimes people can have micro expressions they aren't aware of. I watched another interview with Megan after the verdict was read and she was deeply affected so she is still trying to process like you two are. While clearly everyone is deeply distressed by the mayhem of Lori, Chad, and Alex. On a deeper level, my thoughts have been on what created Lori's pathology. While its easy to understand why many are repelled by Lori, but I feel her foundational issues rest with her family. I'm not saying this to create pain, but more as a learning experience. If we are going to avoid further crimes like this, understanding is key. There are a number of recent killings of children and spouses that really touch on some disturbing elements in our society. My thoughts have centered what we can do as a society to help prevent these crimes.

[@MK-sv4vy]

Adam and Rex seem to be pretty proud/ laughing about Barry’s only sound bite (lifting himself up in a way) and Adam mentioned Barry’s “strong” testimony and throws in he knows “the church is true”. This is starting to sound like Mormon church cleanup crew 😔 Now he’s bringing up Alex being such a great comedian and that Lori and Alex had nothing “going on” sexually when they were “acting/playing” sexual acts upon each other. These men seem to be creating another picture. Megan needs to be very careful!! I pray for God to expose all this soooooon 🙏💖

[@mtngrl5859]

@@MK-sv4vy I definitely feel there was a lot of damage control going on. Personally I think they are both trying to monetize their book and their podcast as well as smooth things in the family. Of all the people around this case, Megan could have really written a great book, but clearly no one in the family would ever speak to her again. I felt Lauren' interview with Megan was incredible. Megan did live with Lori for a brief period and I think this is why Lori lived with Adam. So, its really strange that Adam never mentions Megan.

[@candiceparr4174]

Ridiculous obvious gaslighting

[@spacejunkjen]

I know exactly what Adam is describing that he has changed.Loss of multiple family members is so overwhelming. I will never be the same. It is more than depression.

[@JY-tq8dr]

Wow! “Love is unconditional but relationships are not.” Those wise words resonated with me on a level so deep I can’t express. Thank you Uncle Rex. Blown away. I have never heard it expressed that way. So true.

[@tinapack3162]

It is ironic that these horrible events led us to this moment with us getting to know you and how kind and loving you both are. But all of this magnifies the loss and pain of how JJ, Kylee, Tammy and Charles lost their lives. And we have gotten to know them through you and your families doing these interviews. So just know that you are doing a wonderful justice to them and painting beautiful pictures of them that we so sadly have not got to see when they were living. It goes to show how deep is your pain and sorrow, because with the same stroke of the brush, how lovely they were in your eyes and and in your hearts.

[@ilenhalogram]

I’m so glad the Cox family also has these strong men with integrity holding it together. Adam has been such a voice of reason since this case broke. I seriously admire this and so impressive how you handle an unthinkable situation. Kudos from the Northwest. 💖🙏💖 sending big prayers up for y’all’s healing. 💖

[@wompppwompwomppp]

Adam killed a mother of three on his radio show. Look it up.

[@hnormizzle]

Listening to Adam describe his new existence was so relatable. My sister didn’t murder 4 people, but my brother died unexpectedly 2.5 years ago and I still wake up feeling like Adam does. No joy. No desire for the things that once made me happy. It’s not just depression. It’s grief. He’s lost his world and his family as he once knew it.

[@laurataylor8179]

Well put I wish you the best

[@kkheflin3]

Congrats on cruising right past 100K! I've been with you since you had 18K and have seen you rocket to success with no end in sight. No one deserves it more. Professional, empathetic, genuine, authentic and such articulate people are a joy to listen to! Kudos Lauren and Dr. John!

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thanks so much!! Such a kind thing to say!

[@shellichurch5321]

Great interview! Peace, love, and prayers for them, John, Lauren, and families!

[@omarazam123]

Thank You so much for this wonderful interview. You two have really opened me up to seeing true crime in a better way. It's amazing the commuity that you have found and to see such diverse and yet perfect connections formed ✌🏽

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

This means so much to us. Thank you!

[@BananaExpress-er8sm]

Does anyone see Colby? He’s in my heart so much. Does he have support? So much prayers and love to you gentlemen in healing from these giant losses.

[@loricochrane9784]

Can someone get Adam to talk about the day Charles was shot and how he left that day to go to a friends out of town yet he was worried about Charles that morning and then didn't find out about Charles death till days later. I don't want to judge but can't understand how so many days went by.

[@AnnaMorris411]

I hope he will get to that in his podcast!

[@hayalistanbul5418]

They are all about themselves, more or less all narcissistic people. Charles is paying for his flight but he doesn't even bother to meet Charles.

[@BurgerCity]

There is no accountability. Adam and Rex are in it to ‘win it’ How about these family members helping Colby understand what’s happening in his life. Oh let’s not mention him, let’s just discuss Lori and OURSELVES.

[@candiceparr4174]

He never called law enforcement. They called him repeatedly and he finally returned their call August 9 2019. Adam did nothing to help Charles.

[@candiceparr4174]

@@hayalistanbul5418 Yes. He betrayed Charles

[@melb2258]

Wow, it’s actually refreshing to see Adam be so sensible, coming from the Cox family he did himself a favor by moving away from the them, he’s the only one who stayed normal. Really enjoying this today. Look forward to following his podcast. Peace to him and his uncle Rex.

[@whitneyjones8678]

ALSO SPEAKING OF WHICH: LORI BEING MARRIED AND GETTING DIVORCED FOUR OR FIVE TIMES IS DEFINITELY A HUGE RED FLAG!!! 🚩🚩🚩🙄🙄😬😬🤯🤯😳😳🤬🤬🤡🤡💔💔🤢🤢🤮🤮🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@carlamarlene2927]

She didn't divorce every time, she was widowed too

[@donnariley1250]

Well it don’t surprise me that her family didn’t see red flag’s because they are LDS that is not a real religion it is definitely FALSE

[@MsValley28]

My heart goes out to all the families affected by a family member who commits murder. They are victims also, and Adam is right. The family and families who were affected by these crimes will never be the same. I pray that they all will be able have joy and happiness again in their lives.

[@nadzach]

Yes. Many broken hearts :(

[@krisdan76]

Adam has lied sooo many times.He blew Charles off.Even after he paid his ticket.

[@MaterMultis]

Erma Bombeck wrote a book about mothers. She has a chapter about mothers who's children are criminals. Hearing them reminded me of this. So much weight on their souls.

[@HapticFrequencies]

I remember that book!

[@grammichal6759]

I need that.

[@terryramsey1484]

Used to love reading her column in our newspaper back in the day!

[@Blw855]

That’s a name I hadn’t heard in years. My mother loved reading her books. Thanks for sparking a sweet memory for me without even trying😊

[@BlueSky-se8oy]

What’s the name of the book? I would like to read it.

[@hopeful6157]

I would love to see them involve Colby in their work, Colby needs to heal also & has much insight, great interview as always! ❤

[@zetrei80]

1:14:55 Thank you Lauren for bringing up Tylee. I am of course deeply sadend for both JJ and Tylees death, but Tylee has a special space in my heart. Maybe because she did not have as much of a voice as JJ in media, but thank you again for bringing her up and I appreciate Adam and Rox for sharing ❤

[@dejuhvu1793]

It’s nice to know there’s actually sane people in the Cox family 🫣 After seeing Lori, Alex, and her parents in the interviews, I thought they were all crazy.

[@wompppwompwomppp]

Adam killed a mother of three in the mid 2000s from a water drinking contest where they mocked a ladies distended belly before she died. They ignored multiple calls from nurses warning them they can kill someone. They even joked about how a young man had recently died from the same thing. And they didn't care. They killed her.

[@jackiechristiansen7885]

It’s awesome that Adam and Rex have each other to lean on Adam mentioned that he’s not the same person that he was 4 years ago, and I see it too, the difference and the toll it’s taken, but I think Adam will come through this with a new perspective and the high energy and happy and funny guy will return….with a new perspective on life ❤️

[@rhondaivory3009]

I’m so sorry for the family of this woman.

[@CyndyBaker-s5l]

It’s so clear that Adam doesn’t want to touch on the ‘childhood trauma’ when it comes to his family. I mean there’s been plenty of talk about the inappropriate sexual behavior going on starting from their Dad and possibly with Stacy and continuing and Alex and Laurie. I mean even kids know when something is wrong. 🤦‍♀️. I know he doesn’t want to alienate his parents again but.

[@merricat3025]

Yes. I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he is in denial and not lying This family is FU. 5%

[@BlueSky-se8oy]

@@merricat3025I agree. I think he’s probably a victim to a sick family that he was unfortunately born into.

[@susie4Him]

There is just so much a person can absorb and work through in a given time. I think we have to have understanding and compassion. This man has lost an older sister, 2 brothers in laws, a niece and a nephew. And had to accept the sister you grew up with and loved committed unspeakable crimes....all with a huge world spotlight on the whole family . How well would any of us absorb it all and speak to it in a public forum? I know I couldn't. It's not his fault. I feel he is doing the best he can in the most impossible of circumstances.

[@dawncrossland3028]

@@susie4Him& a brother

[@janeen70]

If anyone is interested in a preview, Adam and Rex did a new interview with Nate from East Idaho News.

[@kellyj3544]

I’m watching that now it was very good too !adam and loris uncle are so open and well spoken and level headed

[@jtharp9265]

Yes, Nate always does such heart-felt interviews. A real journalist 👏

[@graedot]

I'm guessing it was very similar to this one?

[@janeen70]

@@graedot They are pretty much repeating the same things in every interview.

[@kathiewhite443]

I'm so glad they did THIS interview! Lauren&Dr. Baba have worked hard❤

[@rhondadearborn3265]

Question for Adam: after u last heard from Charles, did you ever think to run over to the house to find out what happened? You were flown in to intercede. After Charles went into the house you never heard from him again. Did u ever think, “I better go over there?” This is not meant to cast blame, just a question about what you think was happening at the time.

[@kgolem79]

I had same question, TY

[@tammyirwin703]

@@latitude1904 Lori lived in Chandler, not Tempe and that’s where Charles went to pick up JJ to take him to school

[@clairegray6027]

It is tough to look at Adam..I just see so much heartache and pain. 😢❤

[@gwennk4962]

​@@clairegray6027He has such an amazing uncle. They have each other.🙏

[@eva1480]

Lori being molested it could be the beginning of her mental turmoil.

[@jeannemarie5908]

Rex didn’t feel the need to listen to Megan. “I like to allow everyone their own perspective; their own experiences, and their perspective from those experiences, including Megan.” “I didn’t listen to details because I knew I didn’t need to. I know I love Megan …” Wow. Just wow. Rex, you don’t even KNOW Megan if you don’t listen to how this tragedy effected her. You simply dismiss her. That is so very very sad. I hope she is not your daughter. You say you want to help everyone heal, but you don’t want to hear their truth. That is an absolute oxymoron. Lauren, “We are very much like both of you; We want to hear every side.” I think you and John want to hear and respect everyone’s truth and their experience of this tragedy, but I can not say the same for Rex.

[@StellaFl]

Why can't I like your post more than once??? grrrrrrr She's not his daughter but what makes you think he'd treat his own daughters better? That was by far the most revealing statement he made. He "is fine with Megan being Megan", how disgustingly dismissive! Thank God, his magnanimousness "likes to allow everyone their perspective", I'd feel blessed if I were not disturbed.

[@Freedom-nu5kp]

😮 amazed at your vitriol at someone you don't know, after just hearing a few sentences. 😮

[@jeannemarie5908]

@@Freedom-nu5kp Interesting. Actually, Rex is a great guy. He appreciates differing perspectives and doesn’t mind hearing how he is perceived. I appreciate him as well. Have you listened to Megan Conner? Do you know what kind of hell she has been through?

[@Freedom-nu5kp]

@@jeannemarie5908 Yes, I have.

[@helpyourcattodrive]

Rex possesses tremendous wisdom.

[@colleenuchiyama4916]

My biggest question is why didn’t, why couldn’t, anyone in this close, extended family confront Lori about her delusions? How could any of them see her behavior as sane or rational? 5 people are dead because of her mental state. I just don’t understand. I would fight like hell to help anyone in my family who was in a situation such as Lori’s.

[@Linda-dr7vp]

I think it was because she faked it and lied about everything. Or, she cut off people and wouldn't let them in.

[@EffSharp]

They did. (Well, Adam did). Lori conned the doctors who evaluated her after Charles reported her psychotic behavior.

[@dionnegunter6552]

Adam did try to help her and his entire family took Lori's side and completely shunned him and his son. There's a recorded phone call between Adam and an investigator where he goes into all that. It's an interesting listen.

[@tinapack3162]

I might add that poor Charles, her husband, tried many times to alert family, law enforcement, friends and his own sister who he changed the life insurance policy and put it her name and out of Lori’s. And she tried to claim it after he was murdered. He was in contact with Adam due to her craziness and feared that something was about to happen or already had, as he approached his and Lor’s home just before he too was murdered by her and Alex. The police were not taking him serious and for some reason believed whatever Lori told them. Oddly enough , it seemed she had that effect on a lot of family and friends. They wouldn’t listen to Adam either. And she caused family to shut them out and never talk to them.

[@ozzietad666]

There’s no law against anyone having ridiculous religious beliefs and also a psych assessor cannot lock someone up for having weird beliefs. If they could- there would be a psych ward on the corner of every road instead of a church.

[@Stigmasterol]

I listened to Megan’s interview. So far she may be the only blood member of this family that seems truly brave enough to really be honest about her family and herself. I do feel sorry for ADam and Rex for what they went through but I do feel Adam’s actions around Charle’s murder and after are questionable and because of that I don’t really trust him, at least not unless he addresses those issues with some honesty and forthrightness. They are both obviously too close to the family to discuss openly the family issues and it almost seems like they can’t even acknowledge Megan’s statements about the family (why-would they get kicked out again?). I just found that to be incredibly insensitive of Rex to say that he didn’t even need to hear what she had to say. I mean, she is talking about family dynamics that include her parents which include him and his siblings! And when it comes to this podcast, I don’t know if I agree with the concept-I just can’t agree with finding a silver lining to this, murdering people sucks in every possible way, Rex.

[@jeannemarie5908]

I feel very similar to you. I was quite offended by Rex saying he didn’t need to listen to Megan .. but he wants everyone to heal by telling their story. Well, Rex, you need to HEAR the perspective to allow the person to heal. And Adam.. why didn’t you call the police immediately. You knew Charles was in danger. If Lori and Alex had been arrested Tylee & JJ & Tammy would never have been murdered.

[@candiceparr4174]

Well said, great points

[@innervisions1828]

I do not consider Adam a reliable narrator.

[@lomoliving5528]

@jeannemarie5908 Devil's advocate here - Adam did say that him and his wife did try to get in touch with the police a few times, but they didn't get back in touch with him until 3 months later. The detective said that didn't happen. And we all know that in the beginning of this, the police did jack shit in this investigation. What if Adam really did try to get in touch with this detective, but the detective thought it was a closed car and didn't call him back until Kay started making a stink and shit hit the fan? I'm not saying that this happened, but from the way the police did everything to not move this case forward - I wouldn't put it passed them to try to cover their tracks and lie 🤷‍♀️

[@candiceparr4174]

@lomoliving5528 The foia documents prove otherwise. Moffat called Adam over and over. The call you hear on youtube is Adam's call back to Moffat August 9, 2019, 29 days after Charles was shot dead by Alex, minutes after he was texting with Adam. Adam is lying

[@PrimetimeKCL]

I wish I could have caught this episode Live!! (Been super busy with my kids lately!) Awesome that Adam and Rex joined Hidden True Crime for an interview!! I’m so interested to learn more about how this has affected Lori’s family.

[@grammichal6759]

There’s another great interview with these gentlemen with Nate Eaton.

[@missyroberts100]

Hard moment that felt like an enmeshed red flag - divorced his wife because he wanted to move to St. George and she didn’t want anything to do with his family. Don’t know everything here but Adam’s wife doesn’t sound like she stood a chance against Adam’s enmeshment in this toxic family system. I hope she’s ok and doing well.

[@mtnlady4762]

Lauren and John, thank you for an exceptional interview. Much respect given to Adam and Rex when asking your questions. May this family continue to heal.

[@aria_s7]

I commend Adam and Rex for the courage to speak openly about this - the truth will always set us free. Thank you for the excellent interview.

[@kathleenfitzgerald6362]

I’m so glad you are doing this interview. Thanks a million!

[@raqueacevedo1509]

Adam and Uncle Rex....thanks for your honestly and so.sorry for what have been through.

[@suzimonkey345]

How did she get involved with the “drug dealer” abusive boyfriend who wasn’t LDS? A perfectly stable & grounded teenage school girl doesn’t suddenly go out on a date with a complete stranger, drug dealer, who walks-up & asks her, out of the blue… I’m fascinated by the Lori & Chad soap opera…then I remember the innocents that they brutally murdered! It’s all to ridiculous to end in such tragedy.

[@AmicaCream]

What a great interview, listening to Adam and Rex somehow brings some sanity into this awful tragedy. Looking forward to their podcast and book

[@KDSima]

Adam’s answer about the “inappropriate” relationship between Alex and Lori was interesting. There was probably not a real sexual relationship but it kind of crossed the border. It was funny and the family laughed at it. But, it showed some of what was dysfunctional in the family. But, how horrible to have the family behavior judged like it is.

[@BlueSky-se8oy]

I agree. It was sad to watch, I think it will take him years to realize how unwell his family truly is. I wish him luck, some people never can shake the toxic family they are born into. It was also sad to hear he chose the station close to his parents resulting in a divorce. It sounds like he may be the victim of abuse and doesn’t even realize it.

[@MK-sv4vy]

Seems like Rex and Adam are trying to (help) cover up past family and church inappropriate behaviors/doctrines. The onion will continue peeling back. I pray God will expose all the hidden evil in this world 🙏💕

[@jeannemarie5908]

@@BlueSky-se8oy Divorce because his wife didn’t want anything to do with his family. It he had to return. Wow. He returned after his siblings murdered family. Knowing his family estranged him .. he returns to the sick origins. Very, very, j healthy family.

[@BarbaraPose-u5j]

@@jeannemarie5908I didn't quite get that. Adam said that his ex wife didn't want to deal with Adam's parents, but then he said he did talk to or see his parents. He was "cut off." I don't think that the divorce was because the ex didn't want to deal with Adam's family. Who knows (other than the ex herself)? Maybe she didn't want to deal with Adam trying to repair whatever was going on with his parents.

[@BarbaraPose-u5j]

I meant to say, Adam did NOT talk to his parents according to his report, even though he chose a job near their home. It doesn't track that the exact problem was the ex couldn't deal with Adam's parents.

[@shirleybleazard8049]

Oh these are nice guys, I have listened to them before. Bless both if you.

[@CathyBurns-cj4mr]

Thanks!

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you Cathy!

[@corinnewinterrousset]

The family needs healing. I can empathise with them. Adam especially. My mother became separated from her 2nd husband, a 1950’s housewife, we were thrilled she moved away from him. He was a violent, arrogant drunk. He ended up murdering two women then killed himself because one of those women didn’t want him. Geez. My mother was still legally married to him at the time. I’ll never forget having to fly from Paris to Tampa to handle it all with homicide detectives etc. This wrecked my mother’s mindset, if she hadn’t left it might have been her. Family members are frightened, humiliated and embarrassed by whole situation. Felt like we were all guilty by association. Do the Cox’s feel like that? What about the Daybell’s? I totally get the feeling.

[@kathyk4504]

This was a great interview. Adam and Rex are solid people.

[@heathercoon3451]

I don't feel Adam is being truthful and forthcoming about family dynamics and abuse.

[@mistymac9345]

When someone says "to be completely honest" red flag right there.

[@sugargold4126]

I agree 100%. You can't trust a Cox.

[@Jessica-wo6px]

Adam and Summer are both in denial about their family and I think they're covering up for Barry and Janis at the least. And I have my own opinions about Rex that I'm keeping to myself for the time being. 😳🤢

[@jeanie8831]

So what. He doesn't owe the audience truth. He possibly might be sharing his perception of his family.

[@heathercoon3451]

@@jeanie8831 what is his point in spouting off on the interwebs about this case if he is not truthful? You can't convince me that Adam didn't 100% know Charles was going to be murdered the same day Adam mysteriously took a trip to Tucson when his whole point to coming to Phoenix was to "help" Charles. Janis and Barry raised all 💩 people.

[@vegasgirl7O2]

My thoughts on trauma are about stories of her parents putting looks on the forefront in their family and that although they were so religious they spoke so openly about sex in their family. I grew up around a huge morman community and that's totally outrageous for a strict morman family to be that way. It was the interview with I believe Rex daughter that gave an insight to the appearance and sexuality of the parents.

[@Shines-On]

Yeah, and it struck me odd that they both laughed about the whole family being totally inappropriate. It was normal to them. Not appropriate at all in front of children. Plus it’s just gross. Dr. John kept trying to dig out something trauma related about her childhood. Why did she start doing drugs? To dull pain? That’s why I started drinking at age 14. I think there is more there. Or it could have been the teacher. Idk. I have so many thoughts and questions. Maybe we will hear more about that on their new podcast.

[@vegasgirl7O2]

@@gaiagreen2690 I absolutely agree. Many of the morman girls whos fathers were high up in the church had nasty rumors about them. Its like the Josh Duggar situation. Suppression will lead to the child wanting to know the why. I have a brother in law that made a big deal when his son was leveling up on maturity and my nephew would want to know everything about the why of his father making a simple thing like watching a scary movie. a big deal. He would become obsessed and it happened over and over until he was 17 and realized that his father had some serious issues. All families go through something similar. I was raised Catholic with a grandmother that was very blunt. She would answer any question without making it a big deal. Just being honest about the question. I look back and see how fortunate we were for her bluntness. Regardless I do believe that the parents were the root. If you listen to the cousin talk about the sister who died it seems as though the parents lead her to an early death with their expectations of outward appearance. Very sad.

[@vegasgirl7O2]

@@Shines-On It seems as though Adam may know but he doesn't want to lose his family again. Rex having the background he has must know the root of the problem, his sister and her husband.

[@maryellenbeale2188]

It's offensive that Lori's parents, Janice and Barry did nothing to intervene or help in any way. Even after Adam told them lori needed help. They were so concerned with appearances, this must have killed them, but they did absolutely nothing to help

[@denysemcalister3390]

I was riveted throughout this discussion. Thank you Adam and Rex. I admire your honesty and strength and for sharing your points of view. I also enjoyed your humour...I think it was needed during the telling of this tragic story.