Adam Savage in Awe of This Fractal Vise!

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@HandToolRescue
@HandToolRescue Жыл бұрын
*I should get one of these...*
@JasonWW2000
@JasonWW2000 Жыл бұрын
Speak of the devil. Lol.
@FriedRicePlease
@FriedRicePlease Жыл бұрын
as soon as adam mentioned your youtube i scrolled down to see if you commented and im happy you did. love seeing my favorite youtubers mention each other.
@Beligol
@Beligol Жыл бұрын
I don't know if you can find Adam Savages out there besides this one. If you do, please tell us where we can get them.
@johnmendon18
@johnmendon18 Жыл бұрын
Just bought two of your wrenches thanks to the "hold your nuts" video. Great stuff
@charlesroybal4573
@charlesroybal4573 Жыл бұрын
You have one don't you?
@kentmckean6795
@kentmckean6795 Жыл бұрын
The manufacture of the vise, at the page you have linked has provided a very heartfelt thank you to Adam for purchasing and putting out a video on the fractal vise. They state that: we were suddenly overwhelmed by the number of enquiries and orders we received for our fractal vise! And directly attribute this boon in sales to Adam.
@-Kailinn-
@-Kailinn- Жыл бұрын
It's nice to see, country doesn't matter when humanity reaches beyond the ocean.
@steveskouson9620
@steveskouson9620 Жыл бұрын
I saw a shot, of this vise on Adan's workbench there. steve
@FullOilBarrel
@FullOilBarrel Жыл бұрын
made me smile lol
@Dee-nonamnamrson8718
@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 Жыл бұрын
@Kailinn92 I wish that were the case. The Chinese people are great, and very industrious. Their government, on the other hand, is a tyrannical monstrosity that is a threat to global peace.
@breaddrinker
@breaddrinker Жыл бұрын
The price is now nearly double... Yay.
@smartereveryday
@smartereveryday Жыл бұрын
I love how Adam instantly starts figuring out how to make it better. Wonderful video for many reasons. Adam, I appreciated your comments about the Chinese factory worker/team who simply DID IT.
@danaclass
@danaclass Жыл бұрын
Just wanted to say that I appreciate your work also, and I have my kids watch your stuff because it's quality, entertaining, and educational. You're great.. So is Adam 😜
@TinasheKavumbura
@TinasheKavumbura Жыл бұрын
When I saw him use it for the first time after unboxing I knew Adam was going to do a one-day build for a better handle.
@custardcatcher5195
@custardcatcher5195 Жыл бұрын
theres a myth the hole in the ozone wasnt made by man can u help! 90% of humans live north of the equator! why do aerosols migrate to the south pole to burn a hole there?
@jackmcslay
@jackmcslay Жыл бұрын
I also hope the resurgence of the fractal vice has made someone proud of his great-grandfather
@theHardChargerVids
@theHardChargerVids Жыл бұрын
@@elvergalargo1469he doesn’t have to…they run in the same circle. Adam has mentioned Destin in his videos before.
@paulmarkey
@paulmarkey Жыл бұрын
He's like a kid on Christmas morning. Complete and utter disregard for any packaging, just pure joy and excitement for what is inside. So wholesome!
@hughneutron5303
@hughneutron5303 Жыл бұрын
i would hope so. that thing is $3,600usd
@Briangizer
@Briangizer 11 ай бұрын
I saw the video.
@smokin70chevelle
@smokin70chevelle Жыл бұрын
Machinist here: Adam, use a fine lapping compound to really slick up the vise. JB's bore paste is one that I would recommend, it's what gunsmiths use to lap in the bores of target rifles or to slick up an action. The only caveat is, you will have to manually work the paste in the assembly to promote the surfaces to wear together, but something tells me you won't mind spending a few hours getting her polished up. Awesome find!
@Falenir
@Falenir Жыл бұрын
Didnt he literally say he was going to do that? I mean, it's nice to confirm and validate his thoughts I guess. Maybe he wasn't sure he was right already?
@ADR1fley
@ADR1fley Жыл бұрын
​@@FalenirAdam did ask for advice towards the end of the video
@firstlast-ml8di
@firstlast-ml8di Жыл бұрын
@@Falenir there are various grit and if too aggressive roughness, can bind and make it work worse.
@FPSG
@FPSG Жыл бұрын
For better action, you would want to increase the number of points of contact. It would be difficult to do with the geometry. Probably some 20 micron or coarser diamond on a nylon or horse hair brush. Possibly a basswood stick in circles. Possibly a cone type brush in a dremel to make non-uniform scratches on the mating surfaces to break up the contact points. Finish with semicrome or blue rouge or similar to de burr cuts made by the diamond. If there was some way to adjust the tolerance, it would be easy. Also, a machinist here. Worked for 10 years in extrusion, making dies, slitters, and punches. Now, I'm doing maintenance for robotic welding and hot forming.
@InsanityOnWheels
@InsanityOnWheels Жыл бұрын
Question for the machinists. Are there preferred faces to try and remove material from? For example the surroundings of the dovetails over the dovetails themselves, or vice versa.
@andersenzheng
@andersenzheng Жыл бұрын
as a chinese hobbyist woodworker, and somebody who watched every episode of Mythbusters. i appriciate the recognition from Adam. You have inspired me and a whole generation of us to go on the path of being a maker. There are moments where I have to smile and say "thank you" when somebody learns I'm from china and said "you are one of your good ones"; then there is Adam showing nothing but respect in a personal and genuine way. Im speechless on how wholesome Adam is. regardless of whatever shenanigans our governments are up to and the ideology differences, the world is truly a better place with him.
@bonerforest96
@bonerforest96 Жыл бұрын
Shenanigans like Genociding Uyghurs and doing gain of function research on coronaviruses
@Jack-og9ox
@Jack-og9ox Жыл бұрын
In my experience, in all my travels, I've found that everywhere you'll see the same basic mixture of people. Most people just want to live their lives, most people don't want to hurt or inconvenience anyone else. Most people want peace, safety, and independence. You'll get a few people who are greedy, a few who lust for power, and a few who just want to hurt people, but you'll find these everywhere. In our government, in yours, anywhere. Much love from Texas, partner.
@MattEnwright
@MattEnwright Жыл бұрын
@@Jack-og9ox Well spoken.
@Paxmax
@Paxmax Жыл бұрын
As anyone else who has spent some time working abroad, the people are like people are, very nice and friendly. The friction powder that grinds all our gears are sprinkled from above, if not by gov't directly its because gov't of past that may have tainted the culture... and it is annoying but given some time face to face working together one quickly finds out that we have 95% in common... and beer bridges the rest 😆
@Varksterable
@Varksterable Жыл бұрын
@@Jack-og9ox It's observational bias, really, isn't it? Apart from our effectively minute circle of close friends, most people we hear about are via the media. And they pick either the very, very good, or the very, very bad. After all; who wants to hear about countless people just doing normal things?* The bad side of people/things usually makes better news stories because of the shock value (and if you are in the UK the fact they you can moan about how dreadful everything is and tut a lot). Adam is to be utterly commended for the way he conveys a much closer-to-reality perspective in such a humble, insightful and selfless way. As other people have said; it's heart-warming and it's wholesome. * I had to think quite carefully after writing that about things like Facebook and KZbin. My contention is that even there you will gravitate towards whichever side of the spectrum you prefer, and it will still be a very small slice of the entire picture. YMMV
@RDJ9942
@RDJ9942 Жыл бұрын
Watching him fawn over it like a kid on Christmas morning is honestly really heartwarming. The man is doing what he loves.
@tested
@tested Жыл бұрын
#Truth
@Tsuchimursu
@Tsuchimursu Жыл бұрын
If only kids got this excited
@pete_lind
@pete_lind Жыл бұрын
@@tested 2 years old YT clip ... Morphing Fractal Engraving Vise Jaws ... its on some Nebraska company , no production . Only thing you need are those fractal grips , you could attach those to any bench vise , not hard to replace jaw surfaces with an angle iron with a pin welded on it . Both jaws do not need to move it to work , keep it simple 🙂
@hahaepic4165
@hahaepic4165 Жыл бұрын
@@pete_lind Why is jerry rigging your own fractal vice by sourcing a bunch of diff parts simpler than just buying an actual fractal vice off ali?
@pete_lind
@pete_lind Жыл бұрын
@@hahaepic4165 Sending plain fractal grip jaws is cheaper than sending the whole bench vice . People who are seeking these most likely have at least one bench vise . Then again there already are cheap vises that can handle holding chrome moly pipes , those can also clamp down other obscure objects , if the only thing you are seeking is to keep the object in place . Adams motivation is wanting to own weird things , nothing to do with practicality .
@kai_hansen
@kai_hansen Жыл бұрын
I love people like Adam that can make me totally engrossed and enthusiastic about a thing I couldn't have cared less about 12 seconds ago. These are the people that truly teach us.
@Briangizer
@Briangizer 11 ай бұрын
Ok. Ya?
@joho0
@joho0 Жыл бұрын
I've never been happier for a man and his vice. I hope you two find true happiness together.
@TheGreatAtario
@TheGreatAtario Жыл бұрын
*vise
@jasonostack9319
@jasonostack9319 Жыл бұрын
@@TheGreatAtariothis is definitely adam’s vice
@digi3218
@digi3218 Жыл бұрын
He's like a kid in a candy shop lol. I get this excited I guess when I order junk for my truck 😂
@joho0
@joho0 Жыл бұрын
@@jasonostack9319 rofl I'm not changing it
@robinlehnerd1475
@robinlehnerd1475 Жыл бұрын
It just depends on if he can get the mating surfaces to fit together smoothly.
@ADHJkvsNgsMBbTQe
@ADHJkvsNgsMBbTQe Жыл бұрын
It’s cool to see the seller now has a note thanking Adam for making this known.
@tmzwcky
@tmzwcky Жыл бұрын
Seems like an opportunity for a trip to China to do a video with the maker...
@pete_lind
@pete_lind Жыл бұрын
Still too complex , they need to just sell the fractal grip parts , not hard to attach those to any bench vise , jaw surfaces on modern ones are screwed on , so you can easily remove those , as intended , put in a angle iron with a pin to put that fractal grip on .
@baseballjustin5
@baseballjustin5 Жыл бұрын
One of the images on Alibaba is from Adam's video lol
@legofreak5769
@legofreak5769 Жыл бұрын
i hope that person got a raise 😂
@holmes1956O
@holmes1956O Жыл бұрын
@@pete_lind sounds easy but what you are considering is more complex than what you have stated
@Jeremy_Adams
@Jeremy_Adams Жыл бұрын
3 things. 1 what a beautiful piece of equipment and craftsmanship! 2 I’m so glad Adam found a home on KZbin where I can always go to watch one of the most influential people of my childhood and 3 I appreciate Adams appreciation of the tool, the craftsmanship and the people who made it possible for him to have one. Can’t wait to see how Adam makes it his!
@treschlet
@treschlet Жыл бұрын
fun fact: the bearing surface being on the circumference is critical to how these work, because the center of pressure for each crescent must be BEHIND the center of rotation. This means that when you apply pressure to a crescent, it rotates TOWARD the source of the pressure, instead of what would normally happen, which is an object rotates away from applies pressure. If you look, the crescents are actually slightly less than half a circle. So if there was a standard axle, it would be partially outside the circle
@tyelork
@tyelork Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you mentioned the "faceless factory worker". It's something even I find myself doing at times, and it's definitely good to recognize that every product was worked on by at least one human at some point along the way. Unfortunately it's easy for people to dehumanize others when they don't see them directly though...
@sierrasanders675
@sierrasanders675 Жыл бұрын
That was my favorite part of the video. There are some obviously bad products coming out of China - lead paint covered toothbrushes come to mind - but people act like everything coming out of there is made poorly or is made for nefarious reasons. But there are human beings no different from us who want to create like anyone else. The entire idea that people need to be reminded of that is saddening but its nice to see someone so prominent not forgetting the human behind the scenes.
@VaioletteWestover
@VaioletteWestover Жыл бұрын
​​​​@@sierrasanders675China makes things to spec as requested. Shoddy products are almost always ordered by WESTERN companies wanting to sell a 200 dollar product for 10 and making 9.80 dollars in profit. Brands from China offer some of the highest quality and cost to value ratio or are simply cutting edge. Huawei, Hikvision etc. come to mind where they are so hypercompetitive or just crushing of competition that we need to activate the entire propaganda apparatus of a nation to try and defame and ban them. What I mean to say is that poor quality products is not a China reflection of China's manufacturing prowess or competence, but rather a function of the greed of western corporations who outsource there.
@phillyphakename1255
@phillyphakename1255 Жыл бұрын
I think it's good to remember that the dehumanization comes from the business. It isn't a human making things best they can in corporate lingo, it is outsourced labor making widgets with manufacturing efficiency and cost reduction as the optimizing factor. The business and consumer pressures are what creates chinesium, not the quality of the workers. The workers are just designing to the spec. Its why harbor freight drills made in China contain a significantly higher percentage of chinesium than the DeWalt ones also made in China.
@ergerg2
@ergerg2 Жыл бұрын
@@phillyphakename1255 I have buddies who worked on multiple occasions in different industries with outsourced manufacturing in China. He had the same experience as nearly everyone else he and I spoke with. Chinese factories tended to cut corners. To get quality spec out of the country, the impression I got was that you need to play hardball and enforce standards yourself to a much higher degree then other countries. There are reasons for this, but the culture in general has a serious lack of construction and manufacturing standards, and it runs deeper then what can be explained by pressure to reduce costs. Obama released a documentary called A Chinese Factory that's worth watching on the subject. The high quality manufacturers in China are exceptional at what they do, in both HR and the craft itself, I have the utmost respect for them.
@duplox
@duplox Жыл бұрын
Well put. There's a correlation between Chinese(or any number of other countries) manufactured goods and poor quality, but not a causation. The goods aren't poor quality because they're from China - they're poor quality for the same reason they're from China. People want the lowest prices. Labor is cheap in China, and low quality materials/loose tolerances/low quality control/low quality engineering is cheap. So when consumers see both together over and over again, they assume causation.
@gregorhi2
@gregorhi2 Жыл бұрын
The mark of a true maker is to be appreciative, amazed and excited by someone else's quality work. And I love how Adam shows those things.
@The_Scattered_Man
@The_Scattered_Man Жыл бұрын
Agreed! And more: the mark of a TRUE Maker: voiding ANY conceivable warranty on your $2500 new purchase within SECONDS of getting it out of the box because he can see how it can be improved and KNOWS what he's doing! (probably ;-) ) 👍👍
@gushhnet
@gushhnet Жыл бұрын
@@The_Scattered_Man With machining tools from overseas you kind of know what you're getting into: you are buying a project, but it often works out because you couldn't possibly make it for less and you have a great starting point. Some lathe chucks / tools from overseas are great, they just require some work. Hobbyists can afford to work a few hours on something they just bought Companies on the other hand that's another story they mostly need a warranty and a proper working product right out of the box, delivered, setup, within tolerance and repeatable. They know they can get the right tool and the right replacement at any time from whatever company they work with and that's a great insurance to have as a company. But of course it depends....
@macupgrader
@macupgrader Жыл бұрын
As an IT guy, what you were saying about the "can-do" attitude of Chinese manufacturing really reminds me of something I like to say to my colleagues and that is "If it exists, then the Chinese have made an adapter for it." 😄 They really do have a talent for thinking of products that maybe only a few people might need and then just making them, and aren't really bothered by thoughts like "How many of these can we sell?"
@memkiii
@memkiii Жыл бұрын
Or, is it patented...
@macupgrader
@macupgrader Жыл бұрын
@@memkiii Also true, unfortunately. I was thinking of the more generic stuff to be fair though.
@crispybatman480
@crispybatman480 Жыл бұрын
​@@macupgradercheap labor == low overhead.
@LanceThumping
@LanceThumping Жыл бұрын
@@macupgrader There are some that probably find it fortunate at times.
@Rob_Fordd
@Rob_Fordd Жыл бұрын
Fractal vice was invented over 100 years ago@@memkiii
@RealRickCox
@RealRickCox Жыл бұрын
I can't even tell you the number of times I wished there was a way to secure odd shaped parts while I worked on them.... never even knew something like this existed until you showcased it on your channel. Thank you, Adam for sharing our love of cool tools with us!
@MonkeyJedi99
@MonkeyJedi99 Жыл бұрын
The solution I've usually seen is to add wood or metal wedges or blocks to "fill the gaps".
@LolSho0orTs
@LolSho0orTs Жыл бұрын
I never did this kind of work and i saw this tool before
@lassikinnunen
@lassikinnunen Жыл бұрын
A lot of jb weld works. Kinda expensive in the long run....
@joed5098
@joed5098 Жыл бұрын
I love how Adam gets so mesmerized by the parts and what he is doing that, around 12:50, he just sort of trails off and is lost in his world polishing the parts! That's a sign of someone in love with their work! Love it!!!❤
@johnydriessen6813
@johnydriessen6813 Жыл бұрын
The pure joy with which you approach everything never fails to make me smile.
@kontakt4321
@kontakt4321 Жыл бұрын
I would highly recommend numbering the parts if you are going to put work into mating them. They were made close enough to interchange new, but as you lap them together they will become mates finding the average of each others error. I'm not sure without holding it just which surfaces bear the force first as they compress into each other, or if those might benefit from some cross hatching like a cylinder bore to hold oil. I'm glad you picked this up, and thank you for sharing it with us all.
@twelvewingproductions7508
@twelvewingproductions7508 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. I think that's what I was trying to get at in my reply. Making a copy of something that was invented and perfected a hundred years ago or more isn't going to accurately represent the hand tuning and understanding they had back in a more hands on era.
@briansavage932
@briansavage932 Жыл бұрын
Adam and the guys should reach out to the factory and see if they can work out an interview or chat with the engineer behind this tool. It may require a translator but it would be awesome to hear the story on how this thing was revived.
@hunterwyeth
@hunterwyeth Жыл бұрын
I’d love to see this
@J.C...
@J.C... Жыл бұрын
It'd be wayyyy easier to talk to the folks that make the Titan Fractal Vise in the US. I literally found this in 10 seconds. Not sure how Adam missed it.
@heeelion134
@heeelion134 Жыл бұрын
it was from china it was a copy of the original... lol there would be no interview
@timpointing
@timpointing Жыл бұрын
@@J.C... Except, of course, that this fractal vise is only available for pre-order - you can put a deposit down ($75-$150), but even *they* don't know the final price
@Gaminginvader-f4h
@Gaminginvader-f4h Жыл бұрын
@@J.C... He literally said he is on the preorder list for it
@mikedeloach6849
@mikedeloach6849 Жыл бұрын
Lapping compound will be great for adjusting *clearances* (it works against both surfaces), but if the clearances are good, I suggest simply polishing the mating surfaces. Use a piece of leather and make miniature strops with polishing compound. You should be able to cut the leather to fit the dovetail slots and just lightly polish the surface. This method won't significantly change the mating tolerances because you'll be only be removing .0001" or even .00001" from 1 face at a time.
@jamesvogel6706
@jamesvogel6706 Жыл бұрын
This would be awesome with interchangeable tooth sets, such as nylon, brass, wood, etc for holding different materials while minimizing surface damage. Could be the entire final teeth, or just mountable pads w/different surface grits/materials.
@massspectrometer6757
@massspectrometer6757 Жыл бұрын
This is exactly what i was thinking. Maybe a rubber pad made en masse to preserve the leading edge.
@littlekong7685
@littlekong7685 Жыл бұрын
First place i worked at did that. They did furniture repair and had a vice like this with soft rubber caps over the teeth for holding finished wood and metal.
@mafftv3801
@mafftv3801 Жыл бұрын
Good idea
@nothere7198
@nothere7198 Жыл бұрын
Same thoughts here. Multiple sets of final crescents. Some might be doable with a good 3D printer. Or maybe the manufacturer sells them separate ? and they could be surface tooled or coated ?
@joemacleod-iredale2888
@joemacleod-iredale2888 Жыл бұрын
Running a strip of cycle inner tube along each side would be a quick and dirty way to achieve this…
@PanthereaLeonis
@PanthereaLeonis Жыл бұрын
The unbridled joy on the face of this man has been with me from childhood, and it does not lessen into adulthood.
@gabriel_gelli
@gabriel_gelli Жыл бұрын
His passion and excitement in making things and appreciating cool products is definitely contagious, inspiring and heartwarming. Regardless of age, this is the approach to life I mostly look for and admire. :)
@clairearan505
@clairearan505 Жыл бұрын
I love the impulse you have to think of products deeply to the point of considering the minds responsible for their manufacture. That's a powerful lesson, and I wish more people would learn it. I'm trying!
@1982pantro
@1982pantro Жыл бұрын
Adam,I've been watching you since I was a teenager, now I'm in my early 40s and you have inspired me all this time to build,tinker,and invent. I'm passing all of this to my kids. Thank you.
@sikhandtakerakhuvar3372
@sikhandtakerakhuvar3372 Жыл бұрын
... and now, after reading that comment, Adam's next project will be a walker. :^)
@PurpleIsBored
@PurpleIsBored Жыл бұрын
Adam Savage is an absolute legend. I grew up on Mythbusters it has shaped my whole way of thinking. One of my favorite things about mythbusters and something I appreciate to this day is Adam's enthusiasm and love for what he does..
@lev2328
@lev2328 Жыл бұрын
Same for me!!! He's really amazing.
@butplug-s1k
@butplug-s1k Жыл бұрын
Yep great show to bad it is no more.
@whochecksthis
@whochecksthis Жыл бұрын
The fact that Adam correctly grabbed the right size Allen wrench TWICE on this tool is another glaring example of his experience and skill... That likely 99% of the viewers never notice... A master of his level is rare.
@TransistorBased
@TransistorBased Жыл бұрын
I've always had a disproportionate amount of luck getting Allen wrenches. No idea why
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared Жыл бұрын
@@TransistorBased So have I. Or at least apparently so. It's probably just confirmation bias. And geez, OP, that's because of editing: notice a few seconds after 5:00.
@johnseidel8971
@johnseidel8971 Жыл бұрын
Us tool users noticed.
@thebiglimey
@thebiglimey Жыл бұрын
that's a well-calibrated MK1 eyeball!
@jeanartemis868
@jeanartemis868 Жыл бұрын
@@TransistorBased I'm a firm believer that luck is specialized. I've never won so much as a dollar in any lotto or raffle I've played but the amount of times i've come out of, let's say, less than OSHA level practices ending in critical failure, completely or nearly unscathed leads me to believe that's where the entirety of my luck has fallen lol (There's also a lot to be said for subconscious level thinking and the ADHD minds excellence at object and pattern recognition, both of which prolly lend themselves to "gauge guessing"...)
@cplkangarew1997
@cplkangarew1997 Жыл бұрын
Hand tool rescue is an amazing channel and a great laugh every time. I hope everyone has time to give it a shot.
@lemagreengreen
@lemagreengreen Жыл бұрын
Great to see someone making new versions of this, I remember watching Hand Tool Rescue unearth and restore the original of this and it genuinely amazes me it was almost lost to time. Such a fascinating tool that so many people probably realised they really need.
@frenchfriar
@frenchfriar Жыл бұрын
I saw that original fractal vice restoration video, and it was marvelous. How thrilling to know that someone, anyone, is making brand new ones! There's an awful lot of precise machining that goes into one of those things. Too expensive for me, but well worth the asking price anyway. Thanks for sharing your new toy with us, Adam!
@hunterra217
@hunterra217 Жыл бұрын
2400 for such a specialized tool is actually pretty damn reasonable imo, even if it has some issues lol
@drrock5356
@drrock5356 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for touring our Blue Engine Factory in Huntsville Adam! So many of us would have loved to meet you, but we're all a fan, and many of us are also fellow Makers! Thanks for the inspiration over the years!
@Blurthelines05
@Blurthelines05 Жыл бұрын
Adam you are a beacon of positive energy in this world and I for one greatly appreciate you.
@Whmst
@Whmst Жыл бұрын
pull up his pants when youre done, would ya
@abrr2000
@abrr2000 Жыл бұрын
The more people know about the fractal vice, the more people will want one, and the more practical it will be for companies to make affordable ones.
@northwoods3d
@northwoods3d Жыл бұрын
the law of supply and demand Adam has created a demand for these now, so the supply will need to catch up, lol
@JohnVanderbeck
@JohnVanderbeck Жыл бұрын
The problem is this takes very high manufacturing tolerances, and hand assembly. It is a high precision instrument masquerading as a dumb shop tool. $2500 may be high but probably not that high for such a construction.
@mandelorean6243
@mandelorean6243 Жыл бұрын
As cool and satisfying as it is, it's actually kind of impractical,.. not sure what uses it had in mind without a hand crank bar
@Cristopher.C
@Cristopher.C Жыл бұрын
the way each piece connects to each other without the need of complicated components or tiny pieces like screws or being bolted or anything makes me think that it should be cheaper than other tools that need more complicated construction. as long as the pieces are accurately constructed it's relatively easy assembly should reduce it's cost. it's so expensive because it's an uncommon design
@icannon6611
@icannon6611 Жыл бұрын
They'll get cheaper but they'll never be cheap,
@guyloughridge4628
@guyloughridge4628 Жыл бұрын
Adam, your warmth as an individual is contagious, and charming. This product and this video are simply amazing. Thanks for the warm, cheerful comments that you made regarding the individual(s) who decided to make the vise. Cheers to you and to the makers!
@derpnerpwerp
@derpnerpwerp Жыл бұрын
I feel like a rubber head for each of the smallest pieces might be useful. The rubber would allow the vise to conform better to what it is gripping.. it would be like an infinite fractal vise. And because the pressure would be more uniformly distributed you could grip stuff like wood without worrying so much about damaging it
@thomasdalton1508
@thomasdalton1508 Жыл бұрын
It wouldn't hold it as still, though, since the rubber would compress and expand as you applied forces to the item being held.
@lindyhoppingfool
@lindyhoppingfool Жыл бұрын
You are on the right track!
@ra3or
@ra3or Жыл бұрын
cut 2 horizontal dovetail canals on the outer pieces of just one side(should be more than enough) and insert interchangeable teflon, pvc, rubber, wood, etc... depending on what material you need gripped
@ra3or
@ra3or Жыл бұрын
or just one vertical canal, on the near edge of the outermost pieces
@thomasdalton1508
@thomasdalton1508 Жыл бұрын
@@ra3or I don't think it works to have it only on the outermost pieces. The whole point is that you can grip things of any shape, so the outermost pieces may not be the most critical.
@saint_redbull
@saint_redbull Жыл бұрын
I work as a machinist and I have never seen a fractal vise, but it seems like a cool idea. It seems like it would be good to hold things like cast parts, but I think it's drawback is the smooth gripping surfaces. I would be cool if you could change out the smallest pcs with something that had serrations. If you were looking to make the parts move/slide more easily I would start with rounding out the sharp corners of the mating parts. Most interference comes from sharp corners not being as sharp due to tool wear, so slightly chamering/deburring/buffing sharp corners of the mating parts can help parts slide against each other.
@Dinckle
@Dinckle Жыл бұрын
yeah, although it looks like Adam modified the jaws a bit since they look different in the thumbnail
@firedale2002
@firedale2002 Жыл бұрын
The flat gripping surfaces aren't part of the actual original; there's an opening to allow for more grip with finer points to grab. That's part of what he discussed in the video in altering the flat gripping area. If you look up the video in question, you can see that the grasping areas are actually like large serrations that end at an angle and not flat. He may alter it to do the exact thing you're talking about, just different because the points are just one each side of the semicircle; there's no flat area with multiple small serrations. Since it only gives two points of firm grip instead of a flat line of small serrated grips, it can swivel to hold more abnormally-shaped things.
@johnherrmann7464
@johnherrmann7464 Жыл бұрын
I suppose you could disassemble the vise, like Adam did, and sandblast the gripping surfaces. BE SURE to CLEAN all the parts thoroughly before reassembly!!!!
@Imugi007
@Imugi007 Жыл бұрын
The original ones do not have smooth gripping surfaces.
@kamenriderblade2099
@kamenriderblade2099 Жыл бұрын
What about putting on small Laser Cut Rubber Grip Strips that have a Adhesive backing. This would avoid marring the work object with the metal teeth
@chriscmoor
@chriscmoor Жыл бұрын
Adam, when I saw the Handtool Rescue episode about the fractal vise, I too coveted one. Congratulations of finding one! You might want to consider machining a duplicate set of the smallest jaws in a softer, non marring material like bronze, brass, or aluminum for holding pieces you don't want to mark with the clamping force.
@Harbingerx81
@Harbingerx81 Жыл бұрын
If I had this vice and Adam's tools and skills, I'd probably make half a dozen different sets of jaws, especially to do some testing before deciding the best way to modify the mating surface.
@johnherrmann7464
@johnherrmann7464 Жыл бұрын
... or, perhaps, 3D print the jaws (?)
@mafftv3801
@mafftv3801 Жыл бұрын
If I had one and the machines to do that, that would definitely be a very good idea! Set of, nylon, brass, wood and maybe rubber caps
@anthonyruiz-carvalho31
@anthonyruiz-carvalho31 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps just make a duplicate set of clamps and somehow adhere rubber or some sort of soft grippy material to the faces rather than metal
@nickl6820
@nickl6820 Жыл бұрын
@@johnherrmann7464 The issue with 3D printing, regardless of if it is plastic or metal, is going to be the lack of smoothness of the mating surfaces. At minimum the mating surfaces would need to be machined to achieve a nice smooth surface to allow proper low friction movement of the jaws.
@effenfish661
@effenfish661 Жыл бұрын
i was intrigued by the idea of the vice, but the sheer joy shown by adam is what made this vid worth it
@i_cant_draw5095
@i_cant_draw5095 17 күн бұрын
This channel has done such wonders for my emotional state in an otherwise difficult time. Being able to at least get my mind off of problems I can't affect and instead watch an unbelievably passionate man ooh, ahh and fawn over things like this, stuff that he loves, reminds me of how much joy comes from the little things in my own life. Plus I grew up watching mythbusters, but honestly I watch this channel less for that than I do for the enthusiasm here.
@fugitiveminded
@fugitiveminded Жыл бұрын
Love seeing his excitement and respect for the design and those who executed it.
@willgallatin2802
@willgallatin2802 Жыл бұрын
Adam it may only need a very light deburing to make the jaws move correctly. I would NOT use laping compound. The jaws are sticking a bit already, so it could be a real bad time. Consider a precision ground stone to de-burr with. As for the handle, mill a square on the Acme thread. Then use a normal vice handle. The jaws could be closed securely, then drilled with a bit around 1/3 of the diameter to get the smaller contact surfaces you want.
@skoparweaver7692
@skoparweaver7692 Жыл бұрын
lapping compound works great on other fine fitments like 1911 slides. I wouldn't hesitate to use it on this too.
@veronicavaes4581
@veronicavaes4581 Жыл бұрын
Look at the thumbnail. It already has chunks taken out of every crescent. It's too late to suggest anything, because he already made the follow-up video.
@ericbrooks2819
@ericbrooks2819 Жыл бұрын
​@@veronicavaes4581here I am coming to the comments to suggest clamping on parallels and using an indicator to square it up and check jaw alignment, and I totally missed the thumbnail where he's already drilled out the middle of each set lol. Wonder why he didn't edit out the request for advice...
@smokin70chevelle
@smokin70chevelle Жыл бұрын
A valve lapping compound wouldn't work very well imo, but a non imbedding lapping compound that gunsmiths use like JBs would work wonders on that thing. I use it on all my rifles and trigger packs. It's just a PITA to clean all the paste off the parts once it's lapped in.
@veronicavaes4581
@veronicavaes4581 Жыл бұрын
@@ericbrooks2819 it's definitely an odd choice. I'm guessing this video sat on the back burner longer than planned, and by the time the channel's editor wanted to publish, they realized there are no usable-as-thumbnail stills of the unmodified vice in action.
@samdoehart1333
@samdoehart1333 Жыл бұрын
Oh my god, that's not just a tool, it's a work of art and mechanical brilliance! I really hope that Adam honors the spirit of it and makes as many of his modifications as mechanical and high tolerance as possible.
@ravencornell7687
@ravencornell7687 Жыл бұрын
Hand tool rescue’s video is absolutely fantastic, has a full breakdown and restoration and explanation.
@Tearnofear
@Tearnofear Жыл бұрын
the turninghandle killed it for me, positionfixing of the shaft aswell. It's the cheapest version they could do =( (sure, i can fix it myself but still)
@wthdilligaflol
@wthdilligaflol Жыл бұрын
Machinist here, a lapping compound would be a great way to loosen those jaws up. I would say that after you lap them, to not use way oil as lubricant. Something with that tight of a tolerance with that heavy of an oil will pull a bit of resistance, especially on cold days. I'd use 3 in 1 oil for that, or just whatever the least viscous oil you have around is. Thanks for always showing so much excitement for the field too!
@borjesvensson8661
@borjesvensson8661 Жыл бұрын
Sewing machine oil is perfect for lubricating moving parts, really fine and available all over the place
@briangodfrey7424
@briangodfrey7424 Жыл бұрын
+1 on the lapping compound. Steel wool made me cringe.
@aureaphilos
@aureaphilos Жыл бұрын
A gorgeous piece of mechanical artwork. Not only are the fractal pieces beautifully milled, but the same level of attention and love was given to each of the base pieces. I'd be willing to bet that the octagonal angles are within a degree of each other, and the same with the beveling. I can easily see Adam removing the various hex/allen adjustment screws, and milling his own set that extend out beyond the base with their own grips.
@jamesjameson4566
@jamesjameson4566 Жыл бұрын
Invented by an African man
@Liv1nMohawk
@Liv1nMohawk Жыл бұрын
​@jamesjameson4566 not true at all
@jamesjameson4566
@jamesjameson4566 Жыл бұрын
@@Liv1nMohawk don't suppress the truth, the cats out of the bag, people are beginning to learn.
@DavZell
@DavZell Жыл бұрын
​@@jamesjameson4566Do you have a link with the story? What I found was Paulin Karl Kunze of Austria invented it, who may have been of African descent, but his name, country, and the time period (1920's), make it seem less likely.
@jamesjameson4566
@jamesjameson4566 Жыл бұрын
@@DavZell that's the name "they" use, to suppress the truth.
@jayarmstrong9504
@jayarmstrong9504 Жыл бұрын
The design is somehow simple and elegant... whilst also being incredibly complicated. I've seen these vices before, but the teardown here really highlighted the simplicity and complexity.
@ericcleland817
@ericcleland817 Жыл бұрын
Hey Adam, I think the fractul vice would work amazingly well if it was installed onto a mounting system that would also allow you to turn the vice into a vertical position. That would give you unlimited holding ability for the most part concidering it has the ability to spin 360 degrees. Wow. worth every dollar!
@evangelionmann
@evangelionmann Жыл бұрын
i think it needs a bit of an addition before you could do that, since the clamping surfaces are only held on to the vice by gravity
@wordsinahandle
@wordsinahandle Жыл бұрын
Why is it so hard to find a fractal vise?
@WilliamThomas2040
@WilliamThomas2040 Жыл бұрын
This video just feels great. It's like hanging out in the workshop with Adam instead of watching TV. Really enjoyed this, thank you!
@casuallychallenged
@casuallychallenged Жыл бұрын
Adam, your child-like enthusiasm for everything you do is infectious and adorable and I hope you never lose that. Love this channel and your outlook and attitude and I wish nothing but the best for you and yours.
@CleoKawisha-sy5xt
@CleoKawisha-sy5xt Жыл бұрын
first name basis? he's not gonna read your comment, i wonder why ego maniacs even bother, as if you're offering the guy advice..does it give u a sense of worth?
@nathanthehappy180
@nathanthehappy180 Жыл бұрын
@@CleoKawisha-sy5xt are you okay bro, his names in the channel name its clearly fine to refer to him as Adam
@SkorpioVenom
@SkorpioVenom Жыл бұрын
@@CleoKawisha-sy5xt Whats he supposed to call him? Tested? Mythbusters guy? His name is Adam and his public image is the same...
@PlutoniumBoss
@PlutoniumBoss Жыл бұрын
I hope the person who engineered this piece sees this video and feels that their work is appreciated.
@fredio54
@fredio54 Жыл бұрын
Unlikely given people there are not permitted basic freedoms such as watching KZbin or having an independent thought or opinion.
@1683clifton
@1683clifton Жыл бұрын
Seeking permission for thought seems like a problem too many entertain, yet few actually are so inclined to follow.
@ibomby4641
@ibomby4641 Жыл бұрын
They have already seen it, and updated their product pages (they seem to have two versions of it).
@ibomby4641
@ibomby4641 Жыл бұрын
@@fredio54 You know what's really funny? KZbin is censoring the name of the company over which these are sold, but they already have watched the video ...
@jamesjameson4566
@jamesjameson4566 Жыл бұрын
The person who engineered this piece is long dead, the people who copied this piece speak Cantonese
@danbasile1653
@danbasile1653 Жыл бұрын
I think one of the things I find most inspiring about Adam is that it doesn’t matter how fresh out of the package or how expensive the item; if he sees something that irks him he immediately breaks it down and customizes it until it meets his satisfaction. He doesn’t settle for “just okay” or “good enough”. That kind of confidence and know-how are rare.
@TheBalunStormhands
@TheBalunStormhands Жыл бұрын
Thanks to Adam, I am no longer afraid to modify something to better fit my needs.
@JohnDlugosz
@JohnDlugosz Жыл бұрын
I'm impressed that he always grabbed the correct screwdriver (Alan wrench, Torx bit? I can't see from here) on the first try.
@alejandrodelhierro9676
@alejandrodelhierro9676 Жыл бұрын
Just loved the joy Adam exudes over the toy he just got. And also really like the point he made about Chinese manufacturing. Yeah a lot of it is based on what gets put out the most, which is made cheaply , cause it’s meant to be sold for cheap, but isn’t always the case. For example in the knife space more and more manufactures like Maxace an We Knife are making some amazing products, which I bet they put a lot of pride and effort into making, and not just cheap replicas.
@jeffy8253
@jeffy8253 Жыл бұрын
Someone finally gets it. People buy from $1 stores, AliExpress, Walmart, etc and complain about the quality. Like what did they expect?
@FrickingLunatic
@FrickingLunatic Жыл бұрын
yes the cheap stuff from china is usually low quality. but i think he expected nicer then harbor freight quality for 2500$
@TheGrandslam89
@TheGrandslam89 Жыл бұрын
Some of it is also likely trend chasing and start up manufacturing tends to be common. It doesn't matter if you have quality materials, good machinist, with good tools, if you don't have a technical package or a strong understanding of the product needs you're basically guaranteed to put out junk because the fit and finish wont be right. A good non Chinese example is the L85a1 versus the L85a2 where fundamentally they are the same design, it's just the l85a1 was made by people who didn't understand how to make guns and the L85a2 was made by people who did.
@slome815
@slome815 Жыл бұрын
@@FrickingLunatic I don't think you have any idea how much work a vise like this is compared to a normal vise. I'm a CNC machinist, but the operations and setups required to make all those fitting curved dovetails is not to be underestimated. It also seems, and probably is, a steel vise, very likely heat treated, while the cheap harbor freight vises are cast iron with nearly no machined surfaces. There is also a very small market compared to a normal vise for something like this, this means small production, and lots of setup and programming time. 2500 dollar does not suprise me.
@FrickingLunatic
@FrickingLunatic Жыл бұрын
@@slome815 i think you misunderstand me. i am very physics minded in engineering. i was stating the chinese tools are usually crap. that was my statement. that it the general mindset of most people today. adam himself says this. i agree with him and you. and if i paid 2500$ for a vise i would expect it to be well engineering and built. by a person such as you.
@suljaard
@suljaard Жыл бұрын
What a joy watching you being so overwhelmed with piece of engineering, like a little kid. I'm gonna show this to my daughter (18) who says that I am like a big child (in a most negative sense) to show her that it is really ok to be like that. Thank you Adam, thank you! You always make such great and real unedited non-fancy videos.
@TheBigburcie
@TheBigburcie Жыл бұрын
The quality of the machining on that is incredibly satisfying. It's made to be worked in over time to be remarkably functional. I think we'd all love to see you make a brass set of jaws for non-marking holds.
@milosstojanovic4623
@milosstojanovic4623 Жыл бұрын
It did not seem that functional, as we could see with that hammer handle, those small holders need to be manually adjusted, plus they are not holding that handle tight.
@11000038
@11000038 Жыл бұрын
Looks great. Shows that Chinese really doesn't always mean straight to landfill. Price reflects!
@phuzz00
@phuzz00 Жыл бұрын
It would be really interesting to see a video tracking down the engineer (or team) that decided to build this specific vice and talking to them about it.
@mrhaftbar
@mrhaftbar Жыл бұрын
patented in 1920 ...
@eduardwalhout1740
@eduardwalhout1740 Жыл бұрын
The chances of them speaking english are pretty slim. But great job on them for sure.
@GusFromDaysPast
@GusFromDaysPast Жыл бұрын
Paulin Karl Kunze patented this in 1913.
@ManabiLT
@ManabiLT Жыл бұрын
Since it's based off an old US patent (early 1900s), and there's been increased interest in them lately due to Hand Tools Rescue finding and restoring one, the thought process was probably "this is popular in the US maker space right now, let's make some and sell them."
@wesbrown5601
@wesbrown5601 Жыл бұрын
If Adam wanted to do that, his best bet would be to get ahold of @Naomi-Wu , she is a major maker/builder in Shenzhen, China. I bet if anyone could put them it touch it would be her.
@dredman011
@dredman011 Жыл бұрын
I never knew this existed, and now I have to have one!! I find Adam's joyful mood contagious. Seeing him excited and happy makes me happy. I think that stems from him being a very decent human being. I'm glad to see him happy! You Rock Bro!!
@shawbros
@shawbros Жыл бұрын
"now I have to have one!!" At 2500?
@davydatwood3158
@davydatwood3158 Жыл бұрын
It is a rare sort of person who can spend $2,500 on a tool and then be excited for the minor flaws because that means they can tinker. :) Thank you for being such an example of positivity. I know it's not the entirety of your existence, but I appreciate you choosing to emphasise that in your public face. It inspires me to fight my own inclination towards grouchiness.
@NonjaBisnes
@NonjaBisnes Жыл бұрын
I just love your approach to unboxing something, most people would unbox and let that be it, but no, let's unbox, test and improve all at once. Never change Adam. Never change.
@lorelei275
@lorelei275 Жыл бұрын
I…dude. Adam, you rock. I don’t think I can justify the cost- but your message and the response from the manufacturer is priceless. A sincere thanks for encouraging folks to be the best versions of themselves.
@PhotoArtBrussels
@PhotoArtBrussels Жыл бұрын
Great video, your enthusiasm is contagious! The older fractal vises where probable handmade & fitted, so numbering elements will have been necessary as they where specifically fitted to each-other. Modern CNC probably allows to machine to extreme tight tolerances. Even so tight that it might be a bit too tight; add a kind of Cosmoline for storage and transport by boat to prevent rust. People often forget that also our highest quality parts can be made in China; the tolerances and quality are as they are ordered by the customer, and match the cost. Looking forward to your further fractal vise adventures!
@Gen_X_George
@Gen_X_George 9 ай бұрын
I was just joyed to see how excited you were with this marvel of engineering. You and Jamie lived in our home with our children for years on Mythbusters. My youngest son age 24 and in medical school now is convinced the mouse fearing elephant episode was do to his letter. I'm just starting GenXGeorge on youtube. I was injured and left in a wheelchair at age 34 when my boys were just 6 and 12. You helped bring levity into a family where it was desperatley needed. Thank You.
@pauldrice1996
@pauldrice1996 Жыл бұрын
For lubrication I really like PTFE (Teflon) dry lube. If you were so inclined you could hypothetically put another lube on top of the PTFE and have it be extra slidey. I'd honestly probably go for Moly grease on top. Thin oils do have their place but I think the low speed and relatively high force warrants something higher viscosity that wont squeeze out when its clamped static.
@adelliaadams3722
@adelliaadams3722 Жыл бұрын
You're not wrong, but PTFE is one of the "forever chemical" family that we're barely starting to grasp the long-term evils of. We can do better, and for the sake of future generations, we should try.
@TheNetsrac
@TheNetsrac Жыл бұрын
I love when Adam is genuinely geeking out on another level, and is so happy and enthusiastic about a new tool/item ❤ I'm looking forward to more updates on this tool 🤞🏻
@mikeshockley7641
@mikeshockley7641 Жыл бұрын
Mating surfaces solution: Gibs. I'm actually in my 3rd semester for Machinist 1 and I chose early on the fractal vise as my final project, so I was immediately drawn to this video. My idea is to turn differing diameters for the differing nested jaw dovetails, halve them, mill them, repeat, repeat, etc, etc. As for the other dovetails which are doubled on the face of the crescents, those will have to be done with the mill, and I'm working on the drawings/toolpaths in MasterCam for NC files, but as a lover of all things machining, I REALLY want to do this all with manual machines. We shall see, I guess. Can't wait to see what you do with yours.
@KyleClements
@KyleClements Жыл бұрын
20:00 I'm just a regular person who does art stuff, but I've ordered items produced domestically as well as in China, and China is perfectly capable of producing items to spec, and domestic producers are perfectly capable of screwing up. The issue is sending out bad designs, corner cutting, and not following though on quality control.
@Liriq
@Liriq Жыл бұрын
Never heard of this before. It's a simple idea, but so damn beautiful. So elegant. Beautiful engineering, and quite surprised at the production quality. A beautiful piece.
@xliquidflames
@xliquidflames Жыл бұрын
19:08 😊 Every country makes junk products. Every county makes amazing products. It is amazing that this product was in someone's mind in China and now it exists on a table in the US. It is a really cool thing.
@brolohalflemming7042
@brolohalflemming7042 Жыл бұрын
That's why China worries our leaders. The bigger the population, the more people there will be to have ideas like this. Especially when China and other Asian economies seem to value education far more than we do in the West. It's been fascinating watching the way China's transitioned from being a relatively low-tech/cheap labour industry mass producing simple stuff, to more complex stuff, and increasingly innovating. It's also rapidly improving designs. Some early products were.. quirky to Western aesthetics, but have quickly adapted.
@swissfreek
@swissfreek Жыл бұрын
😂 caught that too haha. I think China’s culture/society/economy permits them to make stuff cheaper than a lot of places (like, you would struggle to be profitable making stuff as cheaply in the US or Germany as you can in China for a variety of reasons), and so that’s what they have become “famous” for. But ultimately, you get what you pay for, and they’ll be happy to take more money from you and give you a quality commensurate with that price if that’s what you want. The fact that for example Apple and DJI products just to name two are made in China should be sufficient proof that they absolutely *can* make high quality products for the right price.
@Peksisarvinen
@Peksisarvinen Жыл бұрын
Yeah that's exactly right and a great point. Many moons ago, I purchased a bunch of FiiO products (audiophile stuff), initially a little suspicious due to their relatively low price compared to their high announced specs, but once I got the products, it was an instant lesson that a company being Chinese doesn't mean anything these days (in terms of the products being inferior to Western products). Been using their headphone amp+desktop DAC every single day for probably a decade now, and I have nothing but high praise. Decades of hearing about "Chinese crap" has sort of forced the connection in people's brain that Chinese products are automatically bad, but that simply isn't the case these days. Maybe it never was, and the whole stereotype was just propaganda.
@swissfreek
@swissfreek Жыл бұрын
@@Peksisarvinen I think the stereotype is based in some fact like Adam says. For a number of reasons they can do the whole spectrum from ultracheap crap to very fine stuff, where a lot of other places (but not all) can only do one or the other. The cheap stuff gets more volume, so it gets more attention, and I think the fancy stuff hides under the radar because they get attached to (often non-Chinese) brand names, such as Apple. Places like Amazon and Alibaba and other mass online retailers have also caused a race to the bottom on price, which brings even more attention to the cheap stuff.
@_BangDroid_
@_BangDroid_ Жыл бұрын
Stereotypes exist for a reason though. There's no stereotype that German engineering is garbage, it's the opposite. That's not to say that everything engineered in Germany is superb, that's categorically false. China's economy is based on quantity over quality and as such the average quality is brought much lower. Of course you can get really high quality products made in China, almost everything by every major brand is already made there. The the stereotype is valid because for every 1 good item there's hundreds of junk ones. I'd also like to add the fractal vice is not a Chinese idea, they took an idea that already existed (Patented by Mantle & Co in 1913) but was almost forgotten to time, and recreated it. A very common practice for Chinese manufacturers. Not an example of innovation.
@christopherdean1326
@christopherdean1326 Жыл бұрын
I saw the restoration video a while ago, and felt EXACTLY the same about it! Art and engineering combined.
@thechumpsbeendumped.7797
@thechumpsbeendumped.7797 Жыл бұрын
The same here. As soon as I saw it I wanted one even though I don’t need it.
@whochecksthis
@whochecksthis Жыл бұрын
Listening to Adam fiddle with it, sentences began and ahs and oos... Such fun and joy in the lack of words!
@TinkerToby
@TinkerToby Жыл бұрын
Seeing Adam so excited about something like this is a real joy. He's adorable when he's that excited about something.
@alanmartinez45
@alanmartinez45 Жыл бұрын
Hi, the biggest problem I see with the movement of the jaws is that if the object has different heights the jaws will incline independently causing the dovetails to work like screws instead, probably the reason we don't see more of them, the lapping compound will make it better, also, mark the jaws to make permanent positions, don't make a v groove on the jaws, instead close the vice completely and drill between the jaws(in a perfect world that vice should aline perfectly by itself if the friction let's it), the shape of the jaws is an interesting topic because they should end in a kind of u shape with rounded points of contact, there are a couple of geometries in the patents. Hope this helps!
@shanehickman9204
@shanehickman9204 Жыл бұрын
As a former machinist I can certainly agree with the connection with another for a fine piece of work. It doesn't matter where one is from on this planet when they perform great acts of craftsmanship it must truly be appreciated. I think the lapping compound would be a great start. I would hate to mess it up if spare parts aren't easily available, but I can see the temptation to improve some things. I saw one comment about knurling the contact surfaces. I can see where that would be useful, but some materials you use in the vice might get imprinted with that type of surface. It's an excellent idea though. Have fun with your new toy!
@ayol1011
@ayol1011 Жыл бұрын
To sum it up if anyone doesn't understand what Adam is trying to convey, This fractal vice is something that Adam wanted and was patiently waiting. For someone from China, to mass produce this and it be more accessible is a risk that no many willing to take. So Adam is very appreciative of that fact.
@TheNiters
@TheNiters Жыл бұрын
In China there is a person just like Adam Savage, who really wanted a fractal vise, and one of the few differences between them is that Chinese Adam knows a guy who runs a machine tool company :D
@davidcole217
@davidcole217 Жыл бұрын
Adam, I love your enthusiasm. I saw the Hand Tool Rescue video and was fascinated by the design and engineering of the vice. I am thrilled that someone is making them now. Thanks so much for bringing this to us. I have a couple of thoughts. I would mark/number the parts (probably on the underside)to ensure correct reassembly, it may not be necessary but it won’t hurt. Fitting the slides with some ultra fine stones might be better than lapping. A little blueing will show the high spots. Funny that they did such a good job on the jaws and slacked off on the easier drive screw and it’s fittings, it’s still a fabulous bit of kit. Thanks again.
@KitGerrits
@KitGerrits Жыл бұрын
I just really like the finish on it. The lovely soft shine and nice beveling. Someone actually took their time to make this a nice machien to work with.
@brianbentley4967
@brianbentley4967 Жыл бұрын
Adam Savage is an amazing man with an amazing mind...I am absolutely intrigued by him and his way of thinking...keep the content coming A.S.
@vwharman
@vwharman Жыл бұрын
I love seeing Adam excited about tools and shop implements. Makes me want to get in the shop!
@Kevin-jb2pv
@Kevin-jb2pv Жыл бұрын
Me too. I've never heard him curse before, lol.
@leonopensstuff
@leonopensstuff Жыл бұрын
I love how excited Adam gets for things I don't understand, it's contagious, makes me want to understand them too! haha
@sorcererCermet
@sorcererCermet Жыл бұрын
precision tools are just very very fun. like literally on a very base level it's very fun to physically touch them and see exactly how they work. this is the first time ive seen a radial dovetail before for instance. very clever
@CeterisMakesMusic
@CeterisMakesMusic Жыл бұрын
If your going to remachine it you should consider adding a small indentation to the top of each semi circle or pair of indentations offset from center, and make a tool that's basically just a pin on a handle, then you could insert the tool into those indentations and make fine adjustments while tightening it by hand, similar to how the original set screws worked. Really cool tool.
@philtner67
@philtner67 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you, thank you for making a video about Fractal Vises. They are so unique and unusual, I cannot get enough of their design and function. I'm happy to see you discovered them as well and can't wait to dive into the video to hear your thoughts on such an interesting tool.
@Runix1
@Runix1 Жыл бұрын
I would absolutely love a video about any modifications you make to it!
@techtonik25
@techtonik25 Жыл бұрын
I would fear sanding or filing a piece held by this vice since the shavings or sawdust could enter the jaw crevices, but the dovetail construction of the individual pieces is brilliant and I assume allows pretty easy clean up!
@rohns2952
@rohns2952 Жыл бұрын
I'm curious how hard the jaw parts are too...like you said, I'd be afraid to work a harder steel in it if it's made out of a softer steel. Any dust will be like a magnet to the way oil and turn into a messy gunk pretty quick too...
@JointerMark
@JointerMark Жыл бұрын
Tools get dirty when they are used, best practice would be to clean the tool as necessary.
@techtonik25
@techtonik25 Жыл бұрын
@@JointerMark Knowing how tight the tolerances between the pieces are, I would be tempted to clean them everytime metal filing is involved. A little fragment is all that is necessary to ruin the perfect finish that allows smooth operation. Yes, tools get dirty. But a dirty hammer will work pretty much the same as a clean hammer. This fractal vice should get special consideration.
@squidcaps4308
@squidcaps4308 Жыл бұрын
Saran wrap... You put thin plastic wrap on top, drop the item and then tighten the vice. The wrap will protect the top side of the vice but is thin enough that the object won't come out.
@techtonik25
@techtonik25 Жыл бұрын
@@squidcaps4308 Great idea. I would use something a bit tougher just so it doesn't rip in unknown places.
@Xarvix
@Xarvix Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the wave shaped M ends on the smallest parts of the original fractal vice, were meant to make sure the clamping force is applied in the correct angle to allow the pieces to rotate more easily than they currently do on yours. Adding those shapes in correctly would probably make your vice conform much better to shapes.
@Squeph
@Squeph Жыл бұрын
Similar to my thought, which is that the sharp edges on the teeth might be grabbing onto the object. If the were slightly rounded it might help it slide into place more easily.
@matthewpeterson3329
@matthewpeterson3329 Жыл бұрын
I saw that hand tool rescue video a couple years ago and had never seen such a thing, and I buy and sell machine tools regularly. So I thought it was pretty nifty. A month later, I found a much simpler version at auction and had to have it. It is more of a drill press vise, with a static and dynamic jaw, each with two semi-spheres. So only 4 semi-spheres total, but after going through it very carefully, cleaning and polishing the mating surfaces, it glides like silk and has proved incredibly helpful on a few projects where the workpiece was too funky to clamp in a standard vise. Great find, Adam!
@caseykoons
@caseykoons Жыл бұрын
I agree with Adam's thoughts on the stereotyping of products from China. There are places in China were makers from different factories can meet in a bar after work, come up with an idea (you make those, we make these) and get something going in a matter of days/weeks. That's an incredible creative space.
@Bigfoothawk
@Bigfoothawk Жыл бұрын
It's the ccp that's the problem. They can only be as creative as the government allows.
@gordowg1wg145
@gordowg1wg145 Жыл бұрын
That can work very well, especially when the 'factories' have limited production capacity - the problem is when the parts are made cheaply and not to the required standards to work properly. That last is where the whole "Chinesium" problem originates.
@wallyho-garage
@wallyho-garage Жыл бұрын
@@gordowg1wg145 Thats typically US spec crap. They want the cheapest possible to mark it up for profit. China will make that for you. Chinese consumers want things like high quality DJI drones, BYD cars these have no US spec to them. Apple specs out expensive components and asks if they buy millions to get it lower priced by scale but its still $300 to $500 build price for a 1500- 1800 usd phone. You can get super hiqh quality if you don't specify cheap in the spec so you can have high profits at the expense of your supplier as per much of the US consumers who are cheap have experienced and came up with the ignorant chinesium.. It should really be CheapAmericanium or USspecium products will fall apart in a day. .
@gordowg1wg145
@gordowg1wg145 Жыл бұрын
@@wallyho-garage Uh, your rant is relevant how? "Chinese made" products can be among the best in the world, but only when the manufacturers are held to the required standard. The main problems are that often manufactures will cheat their client and provide sub-standard materials that are accompanied by false certifications of quality - that is a FACT! A fact that has cause multiple structural failures and not just for the export market but domestically. Balancing that are clients who just want something cheap that they can sell quickly - some are 'foreign' companies, many are domestic. then there is the corruption and bribery that has allowed sub-standard building materials to be used - there's even a term for this.
@mrfriendlyguy
@mrfriendlyguy Жыл бұрын
@@gordowg1wg145 "then there is the corruption and bribery that has allowed sub-standard building materials to be used - there's even a term for this." Yeah I think the words are East Palestine, Ohio.
@GrantDolanMusic
@GrantDolanMusic Жыл бұрын
With something that precise I would get it sonic cleaned to get any grit out of the mating surfaces. I would also look to use a brass instrument valve oil. It’s really light and any heavier oil will gum up the action and you won’t get the smoothness you are looking for. I would be very careful using lapping compound. You don’t want to go overboard and loose the tolerances that it currently has.
@Digital-Dan
@Digital-Dan Жыл бұрын
Indeed, brass valves involve metal sliding against metal (usually monel alloys) over pretty lengthy distances. The Hetman synthetic oils might be the best choice here.
@SaltyPO
@SaltyPO Жыл бұрын
Two things. I love finely designed and executed things (dad was a machinist, blame him) and i LOVE that this gets you as excited as it does me. Im jealous of your new tool! 2nd, in my 50-odd years on the planet ive never seen anyone else stick their tounge out when intent and highly focused on something other than me and you! So maybe im not so weird after all LOL. Thanks for the fantastic content.
@nickfosterxx
@nickfosterxx Жыл бұрын
my thoughts exactly.
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE Жыл бұрын
I _chew_ on my tongue when I'm in the moment and concentrating. 😅 Teachers in elementary school used to think I was chewing gum haha
@andreavictoriaparadiso47
@andreavictoriaparadiso47 Жыл бұрын
I do it, too, and then bite the tip of it, lol!
@iVTECInside
@iVTECInside Жыл бұрын
I have, and watched my kid do it at like 3. Weird how that carries over.
@justsomeguywashwd_jbm821
@justsomeguywashwd_jbm821 Жыл бұрын
I've been made fun of for doing it too. I doubt it's as rare as you think. I just thought of a name for it: Maker's Blep. 😜
@g-low6365
@g-low6365 Жыл бұрын
ok. its amazing to see adam, a guy who has built lots and lots of things get THIS excited. weve all been there. for a while, he was a kid with a new toy.
@awake1251
@awake1251 Жыл бұрын
Watching Adam get so excited makes me feel a little better about the world
@michellehubler6811
@michellehubler6811 Жыл бұрын
Hand Tool Rescue's KZbin channel first came across the fractal vise a few years ago. Recently he even made a fractal vise chair from a patent that never saw the light of day
@maqywhaq
@maqywhaq Жыл бұрын
the Black and Decker Pecker Wrecker...
@nickyboy04
@nickyboy04 Жыл бұрын
Makes me happy to see how happy that vise has made Adam
@JeronimoP1982
@JeronimoP1982 Жыл бұрын
I love this video so much, not only have I been interested in owning one for a long time, even I don't have a use case for it....but I love also the proper and chaotic excitement for it that you have. Loved you in mythbusters, but love you being 100% yourself so much more and so much more recognizable. Don't ever loose that!
@torvador
@torvador Жыл бұрын
Having watched you through the years on MB and now following your stories here, being a tinkerer myself, it brings me utter joy to see another dude still getting excited about such wonderful things! Keep it up man🙂
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE Жыл бұрын
His excitement he exuded during Mythbusters, lives on here, and that's what makes him so fun to watch and listen to! If we Knighted people here in America, Adam *definitely* would have been given such an honor, I think! He is a true gem ❤
@boldlyspokennoah307
@boldlyspokennoah307 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been machining for 4 years now and it’s insane to me that people don’t even understand what manufacturing really is since it literally makes society. But it made me extremely happy to see how excited and great full you are for the “art” of making things. So thank you 🙏🏼
@giostickninja
@giostickninja Жыл бұрын
It's interesting that the video thumbnail shows the fractal vise with the first mod you mentioned, changing the profile of the innermost jaws to be closer to those in the vintage fractal vise in Hand Tool Rescue's video. Hope it helps with rotating the jaws into place, as it seems like it logically should!
@stevenyoung3360
@stevenyoung3360 Жыл бұрын
I can only imagine how much Adam is geeking out on this because I am only watching and I'm geeking out plenty. That thing is beautiful.
@maartenvandenberge7116
@maartenvandenberge7116 Жыл бұрын
on the fractals i think a minor chamfer at the edges should probably make it engage a lot more reliably due to the leverage rotating it to sit flat instead of trying to dig the corner into the material
@mattlawless2136
@mattlawless2136 Жыл бұрын
Lapping compound was my first instinct, however I would be cautious and go slow. I’d also investigate how the vise pivots about its base. Seems like it could end up being the source of some error in heavy milling operations. Certainly any axial loading from the quill which isn’t concentric to the center of the vise’s pivot could result in error on the z-axis.
@The_Scattered_Man
@The_Scattered_Man Жыл бұрын
hmmm... that does bring up some interesting thoughts... not just about non-symmetric loading, but about the flexing of the steel under its own weight, and even about thermal expansion ... those tolerances do look VERY fine, which is both good and bad... 🤔
@ChrisdeHaan
@ChrisdeHaan Жыл бұрын
I would doubt this particular fractal vise would stand up to heavy machining but for hand work it will be great
@ronblack7870
@ronblack7870 Жыл бұрын
@@ChrisdeHaan i say the same . the single pin on each end is what applies the pressure . that is weak. they know that and only put a knurled handle on it that you can't put much torque on it.
@raulduke7142
@raulduke7142 Жыл бұрын
Nothing like spending a few grand on a tool and spending 12+ hours making it better. Love the channel.
@Xeridas
@Xeridas Жыл бұрын
As a fellow machinist i can say that when micro tolenraces are involved in linear movement they are usualu processed after hardering to created micro semi circular ¨Scratches¨ so the oil has something to grab on to and stay there, down side is depending on the working ambient micro particles of metal/normal gunk cand also get caught thus risking damage (avoided in most machines by rubber dust covers), u can overcomplicate the crap out of it by adding a pump to the torque shaft and fine drill active oil injection when it moves with quick connect so they can rotate, but yeah, it´s a fun toy, using it is a joy, maintaining one is a fraking nightmare for daily use
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