Add Simple Scientific Rigor to The Final Experiment is Wheres Wally Suggestion For Improvement

[@Wolfie6020]

Nathan is clearly nervous and in damage control. When the debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the loser. All he can do is slander Will and the experiment. He knows the 24 hour sun in Antarctica will show his audience he is wrong.. The more I see flat Earthers panicking over this experiment the more I like it. Cope Nathan. LOL.

[@protothad837]

Nathan knows the Earth is a globe and is just scamming his audience. He knows the experiment will prove the globe, so of course he has to discredit it before the fact.

[@thecasualengineer99]

Cope is a tool hiring company - i think we have found Nathan's next job,

[@crow-dont-know]

Isn’t this Nathan’s MO? He’s always like this

[@chrisantoniou4366]

@@thecasualengineer99 You're assuming he's employable? Now that's funny - Even assuming Nathan can find an employer stupid enough to recruit him for even the most menial of jobs, he wouldn't last a day!

[@thecasualengineer99]

@@chrisantoniou4366 ha ha ha ha ha I am being overly optimisitic in suggesting he was employable.

[@1pierrr]

The definition of irony is Nathan Oakley accusing someone of being liar and a fraud.

[@badgerboyboogie]

And behaving in an unchristian way.?🤦‍♂

[@khalebdaarke7809]

Exactly my thoughts.

[@WackyAmoebatrons]

He's an adept apprentice of the Trump school of projection.

[@mrandrat625]

Poekley

[@teresacarey3269]

What kind of fraud uses his own money?

[@DaveMcKeegan]

"If say you've got something that you haven't and you're misleading people into doing things and there is money involved - it's fraud and you need locking up" Asking people to hand over money via patron whilst not talking about lighthouses is what exactly? 🤔

[@primonomeultimonome]

So you know about the lighthouse too...

[@DaveMcKeegan]

@@primonomeultimonome first rule of lighthouses is stop talking about lighthouses #perfectglobeproof

[@whereswa11y]

A primer in irony

[@whereswa11y]

@@primonomeultimonome this is why no flattie wants to bunk with Dave union glacier. He knows the single trigger word for each one. Interesting Lighthouse 11-frames Egg We should compile a list

[@DaveMcKeegan]

@@whereswa11y I wouldn't want to bunk with Nathan anyway, I hear he can get quite defensive if people touch his things

[@profphilbell2075]

All the flerf channels are in panic mode. It’s like Will Duffy the Fox has found his way into the flerf chook house. Even rooster Nathan can’t defend his chooks this time.

[@badgerboyboogie]

He"'s got them 🎵All chook up🎵 Sorry!😉

[@CryptoRoast_0]

Can't help but feel a little sorry for them as we watch them realise that all they have is blind faith and that their entire ideology is held together my memes and cope.

[@whereswa11y]

I hope you have watched the Starship re-entry videos. that flap just never gave up. Amazing video feed that are doing through Starlink. And Will says Starlink should work on Union Glacier too, so hope we can do some live crosses to our man in the field.

[@clivedavis6859]

@@whereswa11y There are geostationary satellites too that can be used. Our base used Inmarsat. I am not sure if they have swapped to Starlink now.

[@clivedavis6859]

@@CryptoRoast_0 And SSUM reckons that they are at tipping point and flat earthers are going to be the majority, Lol.

[@chrisantoniou4366]

Having been on a QANTAS flight to Antarctica on NYE 2019 and toasting the new year with champagne in full sunlight, I can personally attest to the reality of the Sun being in the sky at midnight in Antarctica. As an aside, the direction we flew, the speed we flew, the time in the air and the position of the Sun in the sky all accorded with a rotating and spherical Earth of the size measured for centuries.

[@mymumbakescakes]

Another Point that makes this Final Experiment so anti Flerf. Is that ACTUAL regular People will be in Antarctica. The thing Flerfs keep harping on about, is that No one can go to Antarctica. Have you noticed how they have toned that down a great deal now.

[@chrisantoniou4366]

They also haven't said much about the "ice wall" or the "edge"... Actually, flat Earthers haven't said anything about the "edge" for anumber of months now...

[@AudiOhm]

Maybe a Flerf should come up with their own "Final Experiment" that will prove a flat earth, inviting both sides...

[@logic.and.reasoning]

😂😅😅😅😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 oh wait... you were serious?!? 😊 We all know flerfs "experiments" couldn't prove a light bulb was on or off.

[@bunnykiller]

you know better than that... flerfs NEVER try to prove a flat earth, they try proving the earth isnt a globe, but everytime they try, they "prove" a globe exists...

[@mymumbakescakes]

Hahahahah ahh that deservers The Funniest Joke of the year Award. When has a flerf EVER presented any shred of evidence for the Flat Earth? Any EVIDENCE or any EXPERIMENT that a flerf has done, always goes to demonstrate that we live on a globe. Case in point... The Year of the Sextant. The Globe Earth Killer. Ahh those were some fun times.

[@chrisantoniou4366]

@@logic.and.reasoning That's easy... Flat Earther, light bulb is OFF!

[@DeltaH-9]

You didn't hear about Daniel Pratt's long trench idea that will somehow prove the earth is flat? It's beyond delusional.

[@gowdsake7103]

Nathan claiming others are are frauds now that is ironic Worse he will deny ANYTHING that disproves his delusion

[@robbarton7972]

My prediction for the number of Flerf's going to Antarctica is going to be zero.

[@adamstrange7884]

Nathan Oakley doesn't understand the scientific method!

[@stringtheorysucks]

Slappy doesn't understand many things

[@gowdsake7103]

Or honesty

[@Kualinar]

There are a LOT of things that Nathan can't understand, then, there are those that he refuse to understand.

[@TheTruthHz]

He's unhinged. But he understands the globe reality well enough, unfortunately it's incompatible with his grift.

[@dogwalker666]

He is starting to believe his flat earth grift himself.

[@ShawnHawkins666-33]

SHARE YOUR PAIN, NATHAN

[@profphilbell2075]

Haha you can literally hear the fear in his voice. He knows he will need to go out and get a job or his missus will be in his case big time. Back to pushing supermarket trolleys old boy!

[@thearmouredpenguin7148]

Simply denying that they really went and it was faked, is all it will be required to keep his gullible flerf followers singing in the choir.

[@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394]

Good to see that Nathe has enough confidence in his claims to hightail it as fast as he can from the best opportunity he will ever find to demonstrate the truth of his claims.

[@shuggiemcg1]

Flerfers are already panicking and saying they wont accept it! As usual they will cherry pick what they want to belive!

[@RockinRobbins13]

They are not panicking. They are laughing. They know that we don't know the rules of the game they play. Hint: it's NOT science. Study cultism. The rules are there.

[@thegrumpyoldmechanic6245]

The Final Experiment is, to a certain extent, an insult to the more than 300 people who have skied (or walked) from the edge of the ice to the South Pole. The journey is expensive and brutal. All of these people have experienced the 24 hour sun.

[@whereswa11y]

And the thousands who have orbited the planet.

[@John.0z]

Near enough to everything about the modern flat earth claim is an insult to many thousands of people over the centuries. Everyone who worked, and some who died, trying to achieve accurate ship navigation, all those scientists who spent their lives trying to solve questions about star and planetary movements; they are all insulted by these know-nothing flatheads.

[@clivedavis6859]

And the thousands of us that have been down every year to do maintenance or construct the bases.

[@richardhanck972]

Little caveat. It's not that TFE is the insult. It's the fact that something like it is _necessary._ In short, Flerfs are the problem. Everyone involved in organizing and supporting TFE is well aware that the midnight sun exists.

[@joeldriver-sp2rg]

@@whereswa11y Around 86% of the 676 people who have went to space have orbited earth.

[@JSSTyger]

Flat-Earthers: Sorry, Antarctica is closed! (people go to Antarctica) Flat-Earthers: But you can't explore freely! (people go to view 24 hour Sun while flat-Earthers refuse a free ticket) Flat-Earthers: LIARS! CONS!

[@thesunexpress]

I'd suggest adding an inclinometer to whatever device is used to track the Sun during that 24-hour observation --having it targeted at the center of the Sun, so that whatever slight deviation the Sun might make, is directly reported in the data. This can then be correlated to a similar observer situated well north of the 30-degree, such that the same deviation can be compared. Deny all flerfs any wiggle room.

[@richardhanck972]

As a base device, a high-latitude motorized equatorial mount would do... Designed to do exactly that, though such a high angle probably requires an expensive mount... A Skywatcher AZ EQ 5 looks like it'll do, but it's $1,600 so... Another problem comes in the form of "It's bloody cold out here, mate." Not much is designed to work continuously in -15 to -20 degrees F weather. I'd suggest an inflatable clear tent for the mount, with some kind of heater inside, or in/around the inflation device, to _attempt_ to keep the temperature up to something survivable by the equipment. Saw one on WalMart for about $850, but I dunno about the durability of that. Granted, it only needs to survive a few days... but that's a few days at -20 F. So that's like $3-4k minimum... and potentially for a one-shot piece of equipment.

[@SixStringSoufflé]

The Final Experiment = The end of Nathan's income! Barely an inconvenience!

[@mymumbakescakes]

I will delete my channel if there is NO 24hr sun in Antarctica during summer.

[@Alysm-Aviation]

specify SOUTHERN hemisphere summer.

[@awatt]

Your channel is safe.

[@thecasualengineer99]

@@Alysm-Aviation i believe the term Antartica is inclusive of southern hemispehere. Now the flerfs are afraid, very afraid.. do you smell that? The smell of sphere?

[@Alysm-Aviation]

@@thecasualengineer99 see, you say that, but you know flerfs, they will try to use any argument.

[@PromoVisionNZ]

24h sun won't be only issue for flerfs. They will have to explain all those mountains around them when Antarctica suppose to be just solid ice wall.

[@do_notknow_much]

And the right-to-left movement path of the Antarctica Sun also debunks the flat planed earth. It's opposite of the left-to-right Arctic Sun. ...There is no evidence of two suns over a flat planed earth, it would be easy to verify that with high altitude launch. ....And putting a piece of paper on the ceiling and on walking from one side of the room to the other does not explain the movement path issue. ...and the ridiculous 'flerfspective' debunked nonsense certainly does not explain it.

[@michaeldunlavey6015]

They will say that since the sun can go behind a mountain it has "set".

[@kyzercube]

There are 2 ways to obtain measurements in any science. 1: Observation 2: Experimentation It's literally in the definition of Science: " The measuring of the physical world via observation and/or experimentation. " Oakley just ranted a big word salad. Frankly I can't understand a thing he's saying. I know he's spewing English words, but it's like the Sherriff of Rottingham in Robin Hood Men in Tights making the incoherent rant about " killing wild pigs in the King's forest illegal " 🤣

[@do_notknow_much]

And Data analysis = measurements, calculations, tools, instruments, formulas, math, etc. can all be part of a Scientific Method. But flerfdomites are sure afraid of quantitative science.

[@crow-dont-know]

If the flerfs really want to scupper the whole thing, just send Nathan Oakley: nobody wants to be stuck on a plane with that guy for 4 hours and they’d all pull out.

[@pentallica893]

You're going there to make an observation nathan. You're more than welcome to turn that observation into a scientific experiment if you want. It won't help you

[@awatt]

I already suggested a sundial. My thought was to have a disk laying horizontally with a vertical gnomen in the center so that it would cast shadow to the edge of the disk against suitable markings. Much sumpler than your one. Mine is so simple that even a flerf can understand it if they try hard enough

[@FlatEarthMath]

If you point the gnomon to the south celestial pole, it will trace a perfect circle. 🙂

[@whereswa11y]

I want to incline the dual to match Latitude so then the gnomes shadow will always be the same length

[@awatt]

@@whereswa11y Perfect 👌

[@chrisantoniou4366]

@@FlatEarthMath Sundials at the poles (apart from being useless for six months every year) are very simple to construct. The poles are handy for when you are running late - make sure you meet the person you are there to meet in the correct time zone and you can be early.

[@John.0z]

@@whereswa11y Why not take 2 (lightweight) sundials? Point the gnomon of one at the south celestial pole, and one straight up from the 10 degree camp location. The two results will match the globe, but not the pizza.

[@capq57]

Nathan Dopeley calling someone a fraud is the most ironic thing I've heard this year.

[@cynodont7391]

This is not specific to the Antarctic but another possible experiment could be to take pictures of the Sun over the course of the day using a solar filter. Volunteers should do the same at various location all over the ... planet for future comparisons: - Use an alt-azimuth mount (so one horizontal axis and one vertical axis) to preserve the orientation. DO NOT USE AN EQUATORIAL MOUNT - The magnification should be powerful enough to show the Sun spots and to perform angular size measurements. If possible, use a camera with a fixed focal length length or a small telescope. A zoom camera such as the P9000 is fine as long as the zoom factor remains constant and is stored in the image file (EXIF data). - one or two photos of an object with a known size at a known distance should be provided as a reference for angular size measurements (vertically and horizontally). For example, a A4 sheet of paper 21x29.7 cm at a distance of 17m has angular sizes of 0.71° x 1° (so slightly bigger than the Sun) The goal of the experiment is to show how the location and the time are affecting our view of the Sun: - shape and angular sizes (vertical and horizontal) - orientation/rotation (using the Sunspots) - apparence (again using the Sunspots.) Strictly speaking, the 24 hours Antarctic data are not needed but they would be nice to have and could be be used as a reference point. The globe model states that the Sun is a huge and very distant sphere. - Its shape should remain circular at all time except for a small amount of vertical compression when approaching the horizon because of atmospheric effects. The Sun horizontal angular size should remain constant (during the course of a day). - The Sun orientation/rotation of the sunspots relative to the local vertical direction should be predictable. If I am not mistaken that angle is defined relatively to the Subsolar point(s) in a way similar to how the latitudes are relative to the Earth pole(s). - With the exception of the rotation, the Sun apparence should be identical for all observers (no noticeable parallax). All observations could be collected and compared to predictions according to the globe model and the FE model (whatever it can be).

[@michaeldunlavey6015]

Good. Couple suggestions: 1) the sundial's gnomon should be near-vertical. 2) Note should be made that the sun travels LEFTward around the horizon, just in case somebody says "cheater - you're actually in the Arctic in June", (where the sun travels RIGHTward), or "you time-reversed or left-right reversed the vid." To show it's not time-reversed, include a fire with smoke, or maybe steam, or a vid of the airplane landing/taking off, or maybe somebody cooking or eating, or maybe show the time on a watch (a round one) provided by a flat-earther. To show it's not left-right reversed, show a page with some text, or maybe a vid of the airplane's propellers cranking down on the right-hand side, or maybe the nearby peaks, or just show a watch (a round one with digits) provided by a flat-earther.

[@gasgaslex_photos]

I'd be wary of having mentally unhinged Flat Earthers on an aeroplane with me heading down to the Antarctic, they would very likely try to crash the plane to avoid the truth that the planet is a spheroid

[@sineout9294]

My suggestion to improve The Final Experiment: Observe the Moon. Whether intentionally or not, Duffy's dates coincide with the full moon. So, make your predictions: Will the moon be visible to the participants during their time at Union Glacier? 1) Yes 2) No 3) Sometimes 4) Not enough information And does it depend on whether the earth's flat or a sphere?

[@Sableagle]

Four hundred thousand kilometres is a long way. It can be quite a long way south of opposite the Sun and still be "full." The moonrise & moonset page for King Edward Point in the South Sandwich Islands says 7° above horizontal to north and 65° below horizontal to south that day. That's 54.3°S and the glacier location is listed in the video as 79.8°S, so no, no visible Moon for them on that date.

[@whereswa11y]

I looked and I thought that the moon didn’t rise at union glacier until the 22 orc23, Moon is better when you can see the phase too

[@ImieNazwiskoOK]

@@whereswa11y In any case you will be able to see the orientation of the craters and other features, same with the Sun if a solar filter is used. That alone could tell that you are in the Southern Hemisphere.

[@sineout9294]

Here is why I brought this up: If the moon is diametrically opposed to the sun at the moment of maximum full moon then obviously it'll be below the horizon if the sun's above. Of course it's not often _precisely_ there or there'd be a lunar eclipse every lunar month. And the chief reason there isn't, is the moon orbit's 5º inclination to the ecliptic. That means it could be anywhere between 5º higher and 5º lower than the diametric opposite point. Without researching further I don't know where it will actually be in that range, but then Wally's figures here show the sun will never be below about 13.5º, so the moon must be at least about 8º below the horizon, probably more, at that time. As it orbits it'll get closer to the sun but, as Wally says, won't rise before the 22nd or 23rd, The bottom line is, we can add to the expected observation: If the earth is a globe then, during the time the expedition is in camp, the moon won't rise as surely as the sun won't set.

[@andrewchapman4267]

Oh, showing Flerfs a video of the 24 hour sun in Antarctica is TIGHT!

[@AndrewEddie]

I would love to be a fly on the wall when Oakley rings to report the fraud. Actually, that would make a pretty funny skit.

[@cambridgemart2075]

Especially if the local police ask "Are you the same Nathan Oakley that we had to caution in regards to making threats on the internet?"

[@LigH_de]

Already being beyond the southern polar circle is a nuu-uuh. Laser-eye penguins will keep you off! 🐧

[@MrOttopants]

You know what would improve The Final Experiment? If a flat earther would go.

[@whereswa11y]

Will is trying real hard to get a big name FE to go. They are so funny Flatzoid said "we dont need to go, we are very confident that it wont show. You want to go? you are not very sure then are you?"

[@chrisantoniou4366]

@@whereswa11y What a piss-weak excuse! No one, and I mean NO ONE turns down an opportunity to humiliate their opponent when it's offered to them on a platter. Flatzoid knows the Earth is a rotating sphere and that going to Antarctica will destroy his grift so having made his "excuse", he is busily creating word salad to "explain" the observations and experimental results he knows are coming...

[@dogwalker666]

​@@chrisantoniou4366Yeah Failzoid is 100% a Poe.

[@clivedavis6859]

@@chrisantoniou4366 Indeed. He knows I have been to Antarctica because I sent him links to my photos and videos on FB.

[@kefhomepage]

University of Tube.🤣🤣🤣 must remember that one😋

[@edisoncarter3841]

Nathan was upset there wasn't meth supplied with the methodology.

[@richardhanck972]

Wait till he hears about what Methodism is actually about...

[@Leafwink]

I like how there is a scientific method that only flat earthers use. Really explains their research process. No where in that chart does it say "Do the experiment" unlike the scientific chart everyone around the world uses.

[@davelister2961]

Good work, Wal.

[@whereswa11y]

Thank you kindly

[@babotond]

technically it's always affirming the consequent, science never proves anything, it only disproves.

[@pentallica893]

All excuses. They just don't want to go because then they'll have to explain the observation. So far they're denying it happens. and if it does happen, they're denying that its evidence. They have to cover all loose ends

[@ShMokou]

The experiment part is: will flerfs use opportunity to check reality or will keept their flerfing.

[@chrisantoniou4366]

It will never get to that point - the more pertinent question is what excuses will they come up with for not going.

[@ThoughtandMemory]

News just in. Nathan said he will go so long as he can take his mute button and personal echo chamber. 😂😂😂

[@theturtlemoves3014]

Because they moan, and bleat, and wail about the videos being stitched, a 25hr video/time lapse with a southern compass would barely be an inconvenience (the addition of a northern compass would rub their faces in it)

[@awatt]

Slappy the clown is pissed that he wasn't invited. 😂

[@whereswa11y]

Nathan is one of the 24 flerfs

[@awatt]

@@whereswa11y That's terrible. Imagine being on a plane with him.

[@lawrencerolls3643]

@@awatt, I can guarantee that he would definitely be very quiet on the return trip.

[@awatt]

@@lawrencerolls3643 I was referring to the smell.

[@lawrencerolls3643]

@@awatt, so sorry, my bad.

[@JSSTyger]

Of course Nathan and gang wont form their own "constituent parts" and get down there so he can shove it.

[@CNCmachiningisfun]

When Nathan's strawman left the building, my Donkeys made very short work of his tasty body bits ;) .

[@fepeerreview3150]

0:45 Sorry, I wasn't expecting the voice of Child-slapper Oakley. Please provide a warning next time. Now I've got to wipe the throw up off my desk.

[@chaswalker2038]

It's a simple fact that during mid-summer in the Artic the Sun can be seen to travel from left to right across the sky. In Antarctica in the summer the sun travels from right to left. I would like to hear how the flat Earthers explain this in their world model.

[@bunnykiller]

an interesting thought... take a heading and head towards Antartica, you will encounter the coast line and travel across the land and then exit Antartica by maintaining the heading... this will happen only on a globe, this wont happen on a flat earth. On a flat earth the headding is chosen as before, the coast is encountered, the inland area is traversed and THEN you run into the dome or fall of the edge. Flights have been made that follow the first travel plan and no dome or edge was found....

[@whereswa11y]

Flatzoid is totally confused by it. He stated that from the South Pol you go East to get to New Zealand. I tried to explain that at the South Pole you can ONLY GO NORTH.

[@cynodont7391]

@@whereswa11y The funny thing is that he may actually be right since the geographical pole is different from the magnetic one. Well, it seems that the magnetic south pole is currently between the geographic South Pole and Australia. So a compass at the geographic South Pole probably gives South in the direction of Australia which would put NZ at SW or SSW.

[@clivedavis6859]

@@whereswa11y One of our overwintering team at our old South African SANAE III base, had a kidney infection. He was picked up by the regular American supply flight from Chile, which made a slight detour to our base and then took him over the pole to the McMurdo base, and then on to Wellington New Zealand, where he was then put on a commercial flight home.This route is almost exactly what Flatzoid was wanting.

[@whereswa11y]

@@clivedavis6859 medical emergency hey? Eddie would love it. So what year was that? might try track down the info

[@daniellassander]

Nathan Oakley the one and only debater that can lose a debate while at the same time controll it too 100%. He is by all accounts a very very speial boy as his parents has always called him. I believe that he certainly didnt grasp what they actually meant by that.

[@thecasualengineer99]

You mean the only human alive to publically humiliate himself on youtube for getting owned by Chat GPT?

[@JerryWalker001]

It would also be a good idea to include the observed angular size of the sun during the 24 hour period to further disprove the flat earth, close sun lunacy. I know this will be shown in the videos but it will help avoid the but 'duh CGI'.

[@alt1579]

Love that little nod to The Holy Grail. And the Lord did grin!

[@MissionControl-dk]

Just take 10 seconds to think about Antarctica. On flat earth your can reach it in any direction. Good luck with that.

[@Down_is_now_up]

As several have said: Half the experiment is seeing flerfs reactions from now on until december.

[@erykmozejko3329]

Another observation to add for anyone going. Record the apparent diameter of the sun throughout the day. It should remain at around 1/2 a degree. This could be recorded on all sorts of equipment but so it’s as repeatable by anyone else anywhere else on the earth. A DSLR with a telephoto with a long enough focal length so the suns diameter can be made out. A basic solar filter that’s easily obtainable such as a white filter like a Mylar based one. Seems that flat earth models suggest the distance to the sun for any observer should change so much during a day that its apparent diameter should change dramatically over a few hours. Globe model the apparent diameter would remain the same. During a 24hour sun this could be verified and being on the Antarctic the change in apparent diameter should be at the greatest. Keeping the equipment accessible would mean others around the world can repeat the same observation at the same time and compare their results with everyone else.

[@seriouslyepicparanormal]

The problem with your alternative hypothesis is you add the earths rotation, where as observing the sun not setting and travelling can happen both if the earth was stationary and the sun orbited the earth, or the sun is stationary with the earth revolving. You proof of the globe is valid though. If only someone could get a device that could somehow measure if the earth was rotating by the device registering a 15degree drift......

[@federicogiana]

Well, a properly built Foucault Pendulum would be fun to see in action in Antarctica, even if it's a quite difficult setup.

[@scienceminded9819]

#thanksbob :)

[@ctontz]

To Serve Man...ITS A COOK BOOK!!!

[@chrisantoniou4366]

😂

[@ThoughtandMemory]

😂

[@acefox1]

Wow, almost forgot about Subirats before this video. Great job @whereswally!

[@volcanoimage]

I have a 350K sun angle challenge for flerfs but no takers!

[@kringhetto]

Nathan misunderstands Fraud AND the Scientific Method? I'm shocked 🙄

[@0LoneTech]

No, he understands fraud very well. After all, that's his occupation. He just shouts it at everybody else because he thinks that makes him more trustworthy.

[@tonydagostino6158]

Perhaps measurement of angular size could be added to the data gathering? If the "local sun" actually was moving to the opposite side of the North pole surely it would shrink and enlarge as it moved away from and towards the Antarctic viewers

[@profphilbell2075]

Don’t forget your 3 bitcoins from grifter Dave Weis

[@tamfang]

I commend the reverent way you thank Bob for the rotation rate.

[@JohnnyD_cm]

And incredulity coming from a man who can't convert metres into kilometers 😂😂😂

[@samphire]

Careful about the "every" in "every summer", FE will claim that they've only been there once so this statement is wrong

[@andrewjohnston6631]

The guy Oakley and Subirats was talking to - do we know the dates and location he was in Antarctica?

[@whereswa11y]

Rob the plumber was there over 10 years ago. But the whole video thru are pumping him fir answers which are rather unconvincing

[@John.0z]

@@whereswa11y Rob was being *VERY* careful about how he spoke,. IMHO he knew that the sun did not set for a period around summer. I would have taken issue with what he said, but not the flat earthers. Just as an aside, they had an "agreeable" person on line, not a person who agree that this is a globe, yet Rob had been to the continent that he was supposedly not permitted to enter. Did they talk about difficulties crossing the "ice wall"? What about NASA allowing Rob to be there at all? Did the others even raise these points? Nathan in particular has one attitude for those who agree with him, and has a *very* different, openly hostile, attitude to anyone who does not follow his lunacy.

[@andrewjohnston6631]

@@whereswa11y If it was on FED, is there a chance of the episode number?

[@whereswa11y]

@@andrewjohnston6631 it’s the Oakley video in the description

[@clivedavis6859]

The guy replied "not always" which indicates that the sun did sometimes set. He could have been there from January till middle February, when there is both night and day. I have been there from early December and the sun first set on the 29th of January and imediately rose again. By mid February there was both night and day, the nights getting longer.

[@kellyd6195]

Could you demonstrate and explain this wooden equatorial sundial? I may be teaching an astronomy class in the future and this looks like a fun thing for my students to investigate and learn about.

[@whereswa11y]

They are under $10 on Ali express. Just get the one with 2 dials. Basically the stick or gnomen is aligned parallel to the earths axis. So points to Polaris or sigma octantis. That will make the dial perpendicular to the axis and it is angled to the horizontal the same as the 90-latitude That means at south poke the dial is horizontal. At union glacier it is tipped st 10 deg . At the equator the dial is vertical.

[@irrelevant_noob]

8:33 i think this bit could've done with a bit more emphasis. *"Sun at Midnight will be SOUTH"*

[@hillside21]

How about Flat Earth Millionaire pays to send one flerf and one glober to the North Polar region (Mt Meru?) on the same day, for comparison. THAT would be an experiment. And sextants for all!

[@cambridgemart2075]

You don't think FEM actually has any money in the bank do you?

[@hillside21]

​@@cambridgemart2075 No, it's probably all in Trump collectible coins and NFTs.

[@ThoughtandMemory]

Good to see all the flerfs soiling there pants whilst making excuses. So much for troofers and resurcherz.

[@MarceldeJong]

Me thinks the lady Nathan doth protest too much.

[@raz2443]

Well said Wally , the obnoxious Nathan person will say #@£&% *(£#@%=. And nah nah nah so flat

[@cambridgemart2075]

Should we ask Nathan about soliciting money fraudulently? New PC, new audio system, new car....

[@kernicterus1233]

Thanks Wally.

[@dreadnoughtus2598]

Flerfs vs Pola Bear is the experiment I'd like to see!

[@clivedavis6859]

Unfortunately no polar gears in Antarctica. Flerf vs leopard seal would be more likely.

[@dreadnoughtus2598]

@clivedavis6859 they're offering to pay for the flerfs trip, so why not pay for the polar bears trip also! 😄

[@clivedavis6859]

@@dreadnoughtus2598 😆

[@CryptoRoast_0]

Nathan is terrified.

[@JB_inks]

How can it be a fraud if Will is spending $100,000 of his own money? I'll tell you who's a fraud. Nathan Slappytroll Oakley

[@slim22rb]

You can't beat a bit of middle school science!😆

[@georgH]

"He's a fraud, fraud, fraud" Ah, the flat earthers don't understand *projection*

[@garrytuohy9267]

I would be tempted to make the Globe Earth the Null Hypothesis and if the sun does not set, we can accept it. If the sun does set we can accept the Alternative Hypothesis that the Earth is not a Globe and leave it at that. This simplifies the design and remove any need to elaborate on a Flat Earth model that few FLERFs can agree upon anyway.

[@glennledrew8347]

Flerfs haven't established any agreed upon model by which they can make the most basic predictions. And of course they won't even try, because they know nothing but a globe reflects reality. And so all they can do is try to nitpick individual aspects of the globular world, hoping their dull marks never glimpse the big picture of utter failure. Just the fact that in the far south the Sun at nighttime hours is essentially opposite in azimuth of where the dirt pizza model says it would be is already a dagger thrust deeply into the fallacy. Hell, just the fact of night (Sun well BELOW) the hirizon) occurring anywhere is damning enough, given their Sun is supposed to be at a fixed height ABOVE the pancake.

[@eleycki]

Love your work.

[@genisisarc]

Nathan calling someone else a fraud. Pot kettle black

[@volcanoimage]

Nathan Oakley is a con job. The fact that Nathan blocked you is an indicator that he is fraud and internet prankster. Otherwise great vid!

[@kevinvanhorn2193]

I think you have dependent and independent variable reversed.

[@simond.455]

I doubt any flerf will dare to challenge their grifting income and their identity. It's all they have and are. 😟 Or maybe there's a future ex-flat-earther having doubts and wanting clarity. That would be awesome. 😆

[@eleycki]

Nice pitch meeting quote by the way!

[@whereswa11y]

Can you get all the way off my back about that quote

[@eleycki]

@@whereswa11y nice.

[@mrandrat625]

The excuses from these grifters as they run away from this is hilarious.

[@allgrainbrewer10]

Oakley is such a grifter clown.

[@djm8027]

Can you speak to the workers there ? I think they would know.

[@clivedavis6859]

Many of the bases yhave websites,

[@djm8027]

@@clivedavis6859I didn't know there are 70 permanent bases with populations of up to 1200 in peak season in Antarctica. Apparently 9 you can visit.

[@whereswa11y]

A fun rainy/cloudy day contingency activity. And wander the camp and take photos of where their solar panels are located.

[@djm8027]

@@whereswa11y kzbin.infoUgkxzAtcVOP744pJbNLwbod3fW7sgcX5k0dv?si=a589Y8cH8Yl3CwTR

[@fred_albuquerque.mendes]

they are scared and desperate, that's why every day there's gona be an excuse

[@axeman2638]

If I say I think the earth's flat can I get a free trip to Antarctica too?

[@paulinnanjing]

What explains people still engaging with Oakley?

[@rikomagic2885]

Nathan oakley might not know science but he does know the impact of the trip on his flat earthers and his patrons. Maybe he will have to get an actual job instead of lying to susceptible people. David Weiss is already trying to save his income by making excuses not to go. Let's hope his supporters wake up as it 'could 'have been a nail in the coffin to globers.

[@jamesdelius]

A person who makes money on the internet by pretending the earth is flat calling anyone a fraud is too oblivious to realize everyone can see right through his childish "I know you are, but what am I?" projection.

[@genisisarc]

Nathan is as bad as Russell Brand in that he uses lots of long words in the hope that no one will be able to keep up with him when in actual fact, he doesn't understand any of them and talks a load of word salad. If he had any intelligence then he would know that if the earth were flat and the sun rotated around it 24/7 then it would never set, ever. But it does as we live, very obviously, on a globe. No flatearthers will ever take the free trip as they know it'll make them look stupid, which isn't hard lol 😆

[@jonathanpowell1470]

Please can you have a warning notice next time you want to throw in Nathan jokely as ive been sick everywhere, and need to get my sofas deep cleaned....

[@wibblywobblyidiotvision]

Can I pretend to be a flat earther and get a free ticket? I'd like to go climb some of the mountains around there.

[@johncnorris]

The only thing more obtuse than the angle of those solar panels is Nathan's grifting.

[@johnwilson839]

wouldn't it be a big piece of data to measure the sun's angular size over the same 24 hour period?

[@pierreboissonneault]

No, you just have to use the right sun filter for the camera you use.

[@Darryl.M]

Hello Wally

[@PifflePrattle]

Does this mean that if I start a flat earth channel someone is willing to offer mer a free holiday in Antartica? Or is the offer limited to established flatties like the charming Mr. Oakley? Frankly I'm glad none of them have taken up the offer. There are far better ways of wasting money. You could put it towards buying a Tesla pick up or purchasing NFT's.