Drift Fishing Vs Flossing Salmon & Steelhead

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[@outdoorwarvetitsavedmylife7094]

Just curious if any of yall ever been to michigan for steelhead and salmon run

[@rogerjames2729]

Wow just a year ago you were trying to hit 30k subs, now you have 5 times that. Incredible keep up the content brother! Love your videos!

[@freedom703]

Thank you for the tutorial on how to floss properly!

[@matthewcharaba2852]

You must not fish very much lol 😂 You are most likely also the type of guy to say anyone using a twitching jig or spinner is trying to snag lol

[@fishbum55]

Lifting salmon, referred to as flossing nowadays, is a finesse technique. The idea is to drift your line down to the salmon mouth. This dude's demonstration is exaggerated. You raise your rod at the end of the drift. It sweeps your leader across the current. Salmon don't really feed during the spawn. They bite once in a while, but not consistently. I've caught hundreds of salmon and can count a handful that bit. The bottom line is they are fish at the end of their life cycle. They're not coming back next year, in fact they'll be dead in days. Catch the fish and feed your family.

[@travisalexphoto]

Correct, and a gross one at that.

[@patriciamesserschmidt166]

i don't agree at all , i fished salmon for 42 years ,i never lift at the fly up at the end of the drift , i still catch them ,those salmon shut down their eating when they enter the river to spawn and die

[@Operator_jake]

"unethical" that's funny, the entire state of Alaska snags. All these comments about " how would you like a hook being ripped across your mouth?" Do you know what you're doing if they bite? 😂

[@gregdemers2501]

Drifting with bait (eggs or herring ) behind about 16" of some split shot weight is deadly for kings and silvers in Alaska. Unfortunately the kings are pretty much extinct now. I only swing flies now, unless I'm flossing for Reds . Use a small circle hook with about 4 ft. of leader, and just swing it. No need to jerk at the end of the drift. You don't get any foul-hooked fish this way!

[@donb3st]

finally, a tutorial on the right way to do it the “wrong way”.

[@outdoorproductreview]

When they ain’t biting you have to do what you have to do

[@bondchristian-loveland4324]

Dude thank you for this video. My friends and I tried for 5 days still kindve rookies to the salmon game we were floating eggs with a setup we got from another one of your videos. We had no luck the 2nd place we went there were a lot more people and every single one of them were doing the flossing method you just showed. My buddy talked to someone and they said your allowed 1 big pull like that before reeling in. It seemed crazy fishy to us we kept floating eggs still no luck we saw some other people catch a few King's but they were flossing for sure I know now. I will admit out of frustration of not catching anything and lack of knowledge listening to others instead of learning the rules ourselves we gave in and tried it still no luck but we never felt great about it while doing it at the end of the trip and learning what we have since we're all in agreement getting skunked was better than catching even one unethically. Thank you for this video earned a sub from me.

[@blueyedtattoo]

Great video. I think it's important to state where these differences are for however. In Alaska flossing is the practiced, legal and acceptable method because the salmon do not feed where we are. They are just running up stream to die. We still need to hook them in the mouth for it to be legal though. If you get the hook anywhere else, that is snagging and illegal.

[@tysonseafoot7834]

You don’t need to floss in Alaska lol. And every salmon in the pacific dies during spawn. You flossers always have excuses.

[@rycrawford5126]

The salmon in oregon are actually much harder to catch than alaska. Fished both. Alaska has 100 times more fish and there more aggressive. In the Pnw high river temperatures and dams built to make electricity really kill the majority of up river fish

[@williamwood9942]

CGP, you make good points here. It's too bad so many commenters against flossing aren't well read about the salmon for which they are fishing. Unfortunately some craven fishing pirates will floss for kings and coho. It's not illegal unless you are doing the final rip. The final rip is completely unnecessary anyway. However both coho and king do of course actually attack bait, lures and flies, so it's much more sporting to catch them that way. They are both predatory species consuming larger baitfish, squid and the like in open salt water. They have to chase and catch their prey. However sockeye's have generally stopped feeding in the ocean about three weeks ahead of their migration to their freshwater homes. Add to that, sockeyes are planktonic and crustacean feeders and they simply don't chase food down like the other species. Sockeye get agitated on the redd defending their space and clutch and will grab other sockeyes, sculpin and just debris to move it away from the redd. They will definitely grab our gear swinging through their nests. Otherwise sockeye will mostly just try and get out of the way of your gear when they see it. People have just gotten lazy and won't do their own investigations/ research. It's the culture of just repeating the last thing they heard or read from a 2nd or 3rd source. Do your home work folks and try some critical thinking skills out. Read the Alaska reg's and talk to some Alaska fisheries biologists and trustworthy fisherman. Tight lines to all.

[@jodydurant8315]

Imagine thirty or forty guys setting the hook at the end of every single drift... the sound you hear is where places like the “helicopter hole” gets named. Not kidding. Every single Washington river during Salmon season- regardless of species. Pick a day in October and I could drive you to any of a dozen spots. Guaranteed. Pathetic. All those fish are biters if they aren’t harassed. The excuse is usually something like “I am just trying to feed my family” or “these fish don’t bite” etc. I wish WDFW could just enforce the laws. Otherwise, I’d just rather fish somewhere else. I appreciate Jordan taking a stab at an explanation but I feel like he left the bulk of my contempt for snagging out of the vid.

[@slipknotmfkr3]

Jody Durant you think they bite in 1” water visibility? 😂

[@millennialoutlier7193]

@slipknotmfkr3 you must be fishing the puyallup lol

[@395glen]

Yup sounds like he fishes the Puyallup. The rivers I fish never get that dirty unless a huge storms dumps a lot of water. And yea they do bite. I've had some amazing days float fishing roe on the upper reaches of a river

[@ijohnnn]

Sounds like the American and Feather river

[@drecuz23]

I dont agree ..but this topic can be debated for days

[@AddictedFishing]

Yes it can... HAHA!

[@deej9367]

It's the people that are flossing on a river with 2 inches of visabilaty using a 10 foot leader and insist the fish are hitting there small bead really annoys me. Just admit what your doing I'd have more respect for you

[@loganfishbeard]

And I'm that guy with a 9 weight, full sink tip and 15ft tapered leader...

[@rileybutcher8220]

“Fly fishing” flossing with a pretty lure!! 😂

[@johathanbelky4774]

I dont get it. When they made snagging illegal we went for 2 years after out in pulaski and stopped going. It used to be a great time. The hatcheries get plenty of eggs, plenty of salmon spawn to keep the reproduction going, so i dont understand the issue. If you hook a fish anywhere it is still hooked. The fish we hooked we kept. If you catch and release salmon in the river, how many of them end up dieing and not spawning because they got tired out for no reason? If these fish end up spawning they usually die anyway so how does ethical fishing effect anything? Now if we are talking about any other kind of fishing where the fish are not going to die anyway, then yes i do not agree with snagging. For instance the steelhead season after the salmon spawn. I do not agree with snagging them. The regular trout season, no snagging there either.

[@Chuck791]

I live in Oregon & I was taught to floss w/6ft leader. Didn't know better until I started watching Addicted since then I fish the proper way. Thanks guys!

[@YTBEN1045]

How about a muddy river like the Puyallup? How are you supposed to get fish to bite something they can't see?!!!

[@vandalgeiseric8064]

Would like to see y'all on the Puyallup river this year for pinkies and try to explain that to them LOL. Hope its a great run this year and you all get to make it up there

[@illyakuzmych7813]

Vandal Geiseric yeah if you mention the “ethical” way at Puyallup you’ll get laughed at

[@ulisesmartinez6432]

@@illyakuzmych7813 makes sense too now that its all coming to back to us this year. its been really slow this year

[@jonm9538]

Having a light weight and a long leader with light line, a small hook and a small presentation allows you to drift into slower softer water where a lot of steelhead hang out. Not all people running long leaders are flossers.

[@Ray_NA]

And not all people running short leaders are "ethical drifters"...lol

[@johnneigel4366]

Thanks a ton for this video Jordan. I'm moving to WA, and as important as the "to do's" are, the "don't do's" are just as important to me.

[@SeanSnyder]

Use a fly rod and we always life at the end to throw back out

[@AnthonyRubeoOutdoors]

2-1/2 foot leader is what I use.

[@fishing4reel_247]

I stoped drift fishing during salmon season because all of the snagers tried to get me to set the hook at at the end so I just bobber fish

[@johnwoods1688]

Fishing 4 reel why stop? You gave up a great method of fishing because others wanted you to do it their way? Kind of silly

[@shakeandbaked1]

I stopped drift fishing because people thought I was flossing and it wasn’t worth the hassle of dealing with people. For the record I have never caught a salmon or steel head drifting or with any other method. So I just went back to trout fishing.

[@ijohnnn]

Throw spoons

[@acdcphsico]

flossing is snagging, and drifting is a fancy way of flossing. it's all snagging and dumb as hell

[@takackman9325]

Some people can't handle the fact that only ~3% of kings on the run will do an instinct strike.

[@Erik-gf9ux]

So fine true lol

[@acdcphsico]

yeah cause flossing and drifting is all snagging. it's retarded, might as well net the damn fish

[@travisalexphoto]

Bingo.

[@steveevans424]

36 " Max in Oregon

[@joshkoppy6221]

Unethical? In areas where flossing is illegal, don't do it. Sockeye salmon stop feeding when they return to spawn. So every sockeye caught in fresh water was caught unethically? Another way we catch Sockeye in the personal use fishery is dipnetting. Is dipnetting unethical because the fish didn't actually bite? The majority of fish in fish markets were netted commercially. Were those fish caught unethically because they didn't actually bite? My point is that a number of different angling methods are available to anglers depending on season, region, species, etc.. To label a perfectly legal method of fishing as unethical is a bit narrow. Additionally, all salmon can be snagged in any manner, legally, in salt water. That can be your next video. 😉 I do enjoy the content on your videos. Thank you.

[@travisalexphoto]

Isn't it hilarious? It's such a stupid pretentious and privileged idea to expect that fish that have off feeding times or worse, that have less than a 3% active bite shouldn't be caught at all. If flossing is unethical by this explanation, then all lifting of your rod is a snagged fish, and the only "ethical catch" is when you feel a rish pull the line. People should focus on angler actions and the way they treat others and the fish they catch, and less on this.

[@mastermouaable]

Flossing takes skills 2 it’s not easy.

[@tysonseafoot7834]

Lolololol

[@williamwood9942]

Says someone who's not a successful sockeye salmon fisherman...

[@henryschmidt4009]

When we see it we like to point it out. ..... we'll call it out for the individual " 1,2,3 Lift " on every drift they make. They sometimes get the message. Thanks Henry Schmidt

[@Northcountyangler]

Lol flossing is the best way to catch salmon

[@williambrown8177]

Flossing is what people who doen't know how to fish or what a bite feels like do. If fish don't bite they don't bite. It is really irritating how many people think this is fishing, and legal. Its not. Do us all a favor, shorten your leaders or switch to bobbers and jigs or better yet get your fish from the store.

[@williambrown8177]

@@dumbboyshortvids3139 like I said if you are flossing because you need " resources " go to the store, not my river. Flossing aka snagging is illegal., but thanks for your opinion

[@williambrown8177]

@@dumbboyshortvids3139 I'm glad you feel good about flossing fish, you should learn the bite and have a great time actually feeling when a fish bites your lure. Flossing is for beginners. Keep on doing what you enjoy, and good luck learning how to truly drift fish.

[@williambrown8177]

@@dumbboyshortvids3139 I don't know who taught you flossing wasn't frowned upon 30 years ago, it has always been frowned upon. I'm 50 and have been steelhead and salmon fishing since I was 10, and flossing was and has always been looked down on. You read magazines books watch TV shows, nobody is explaining how to floss fish. If it was a great way for beginners to catch fish you would see it everywhere. The fact we are having this conversation and people are putting out videos what not to do should tell you it's not a technique people like or should use.

[@joshuavanderschaaf5145]

I wouldn't advocate people going to the store to buy fish. Commercial fishing is killing the salmon fishing industry and it isn't sustainable. Just saying pick your battles. I fish with a bobber 90% of the time but when I do dift fish I use a short leader usually around 20in or less and have been accused of flossing. One guy got a bloody nose because he wouldn't shut up. I also use floaters in my spawn bags when I dift fish.... a clear sign that a person is not trying to floss. I'd personally rather see a few people flossing than have a 500ft trawler scooping up 100's of thousands of pounds of salmon and by catch at a time. My point is pick your battles.

[@renownriverspnw5314]

Joshua Vanderschaaf hundred percent agree with your statement

[@michaelshank50]

That was one of the best and most explanatory videos you guys have put out on drift fishing yet. Thank you. I hope some of the drift fisherman haters see this video

[@lowlife7453]

Its unethical for you to fish during the week while the rest of us have to work. At least you film it so I can watch...

[@gilmer4eaglesbrah]

I do floss when I fish on a River here in Anchorage A.K. But the way I do it is very slow pass and no Jenkins the fly at the end of the drift. The fish hook itself that way. I try to teach people. And it makes me mad seeing people just ripping it out of the water snagging fish everywhere but the mouth. What's the point if you have to release the fish! I hate it.

[@ggentile146]

I used to floss all the time till it became illegal. Had a blast and always had the hook inside the mouth. The fun and sport is having the fish on the end of your line, where it becomes bs is when people start using treble hooks and take more than what they are allowed. I’d floss if it were legal because I don’t think it’s unethical. Just my opinion though. Oh, and I only sport fish since I don’t eat them. Just love fishing

[@roballen3026]

it's always been illegal in Washington.. the definition of snagging is hooking a fish in such a way that the fish does not "voluntarily take the hooks into it's mouth" that has been in the WA reg books since i was a child in the 80s. flossing has always been snagging and still is.

[@ggentile146]

@@roballen3026 Did I insinuate that it wasn’t snagging? I’m from California, and technically it’s still legal but they’ve put a limit on the amount of leader you can use. I believe it’s 6 feet now.

[@justinszymanski7349]

I have seen guys doing the hard hook set at the end of a run before reeling in. Being fairly new to salmon/steelhead fishing here in Oregon I thought that's what you wanted to do to prevent from snagging or whatever. I had know idea that most guys I've seen where "snagging" thanks for the info! I'm still chasing my first steelhead. Thanks for all the great info guys!💪👊🎣

[@muckleshoot1]

@@nicmartin848 and your a typical fucking snagger, everyone of you have a book of excuses on why you snag or how your method isn't snagging or why you set the hook every 2secoonds of every cast...Jordan has forgot more about fishing in 1 day then you will ever know in your pathetic life..let's see your videos,pictures,or hear feedback from clients on how great of a fisherman/guide you are.................that's what I thought

[@rippenlipstv5738]

Jeez, my fishery on the cascade river I love to drift fish for springers and float egg. Orange corky with black yarn is killer. It was hard to tell a bite for a while but I figured out it’s when your line kind of just stops from drifting. When it stops you’re either snagged or a fish, but I still see constant people trying to floss or snag and it pisses me off

[@henrydayanan9315]

Thanks for the good explanation between the two. Always wondered what the difference was

[@AddictedFishing]

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[@joshyin2deep]

If you want to see a good example of "flossing" or snagging, just go to bowling alley hole on the mouth of the clack or eagle creek during fall coho run. And not hooking in the mouth by the way, all belly flopping or on the back. I watched these two guys fill there tags at the snag hole on eagle creek(bonnie lure) doing just that with bait casters, personally I think fish/game enforcement turn a blind eye to it...

[@havnt3782]

blue creek trout hatchery hole too

[@Rozman86]

Was at cedar Creek tonight and wow...first time I've ever witnesses that. So blatant

[@lowkeykeylow5526]

This method ruined salmon fishing for me going out as a rookie with my son for 5 days in a row from sun up til sun down following all the regs, fishing eggs or shrimp from a float, jigs, beads, spinners, spoons. And not a single bite then I saw 10 people snagging them with a cork and yarn for the first time some being hooked in the tail or belly and harvesting them along with wilds, made me realize I dont stand a chance catching one in my area. Yes I notified fish and game and got a reply 7 hours later which tells me they dont really enforce it.

[@mykool907]

Flossing and snagging in Alaska aren't synonymous so we may have a slightly warped point of view up here relative to others. Flossing sockeye has taught me that ripping line at the end of the drift is the absolute last thing you want to do. If your flossing correctly you'll feel the fish and set the hook, if your ripping line at the end of a drift then your much more likely to hook a fish elsewhere than in the mouth which would in turn make it an illegal fish that must be returned (unless your fishing a snagging fishery like they have down in Homer). I think a lot of people starting off in a flossing fishery begin by ripping line at the end of their drift until they realize that the majority of their hook ups aren't legal. That being said you do still get the occasional illegal/foul hook up once you've got your technique down, but those aren't very common.

[@nuckinfutz57]

Doing the Kenai twitch after each cast will get you a ticket. Snagging is illegal in Alaska.

[@TheHeadShake-ob2hg]

@Frederick Duncan i hook tons of legal fish chucking and ducking. You just need to know how to do it.

[@williamwood9942]

Well said Michael Sharp and right on the money in all respects. No one hates snagging a sockeye more than my family and friends, even when the fishing is so slow or no fish are even swimming by. Snagging is a giant waste of time, exhausting a fish you can't keep, forcing the people your fishing with along the bank to stop fishing and maybe even braking a rod.

[@outdoorwarvetitsavedmylife7094]

Here in michigan when using flies we used a longer leader or if its a double bead set up and some do try to set the hook with flossing but alot of us we do the ethical drift and i get a natural bite each time. I do a slow steady reel in and have had hits like that. The fish i accidentally snagged i let go beacuse most the time they are tail slapping it away and gets caught in the tail but i also use a sensitive pole so i feel the natural bite.

[@swangin_dirty_rods_tv]

I been drifting for years over 15 to be exact i call it snagging with style there's really not a right or a wrong well there's always a possibility but 95% of the these fish just swim in to the line being so pressured but steelhead and trout on the other hand i have had them hit my beads roe drifting is the way to go if u ask me thats just me though tight lines guy #keepitbent

[@chinglengvang]

I don’t know mannnn....I’ve seen guys using 10 ft leaders and hook the fish in the mouth..if not swallowed by the fish...when I see flossers: it’s a cast and they’re constantly sweeping and touching bottom, sweeping and touching bottom...

[@rainygirl65]

I’m going to break the 500 fish mark this week 🎉. Thanks for all your tips.

[@rsharrard33]

Excellent video. Couple boats each year on the Muskegon River in Michigan a group of 3-4 guys do this crap. Fish every 10min, hooting and hollering like they have it all figured out. Shitty fisherman in my opinion.

[@Russ92]

So everyone gets a heart on their comment?

[@AddictedFishing]

Russ N Yep we love when people comment. 🙌

[@vansooj1]

Salmon river NY you arnt allowed to have a leader more than 48" between hook and swivel.

[@PB-jk8bl]

Flossing is my wife's underwear presentation 😎

[@Exploer8591]

I don't understand. Could you post a photo of your wife's setup? Some of us tend to be visual learners. Thanks!

[@SteelyFisher]

She's only flossing if she lifts your rod up past your ear he said! So I'm definitely not a flosser!!

[@randyeggleston7138]

Thats how %99 of all sockeye are caught on the naknek river in Alaska while using fly rods is flossing. When those fish enter the naknek river they are not feeding, they do not bite at any type of lure or anything, so the only way to hook any fish is to jerk that line when you feel something on the other end. But i know we are talking steelhead here so the upper Rogue is out cause we never get enough steelhead to line!

[@travisalexphoto]

The steelhead are munching far more often too.

[@TheCoreTurbo]

Why is it unethical to not entice a fish to bite

[@gbasa1184]

I thought most corky yarn fishermen had turrets. Especially in the Puyallup river.

[@WolvesandWhatnot]

I’ve been fishing reds in alaska for 11 years. This is not accurate for the kenai.

[@StoneyMcFly]

That’s what’s gonna separate the men from the boys hahaha

[@NickErickson-g9w]

Finally! Someone calling those bastards out!

[@360fishingadventures8]

I floss for chums all the time. They're always hooked in the corner of the mouth. It works great.

[@danabowen5491]

Thanks Jordan! Question........if you and the Addicted Crew see folks flossing do you confront them? If so, what’s your approach?

[@thatguywecalldana]

If you're catching fish does it matter how you got it, really? Lol

[@Ray_NA]

That's totally untrue. Fish can be flossed even with a short leader if you know how to do it. I find this flossing vs "ethical drifting" arguments totally useless. If lining is legal in your area by all means do it if you know how. After all if lining is "unethical" so should be spare fishing and fishing with nets as in neither situation fish is biting "willingly".... By the way whoever thinks that spawning salmon strikes because they eat is just fooling themselves. If they do strike, they do it out of territorial aggression. At the end of the day you are fooling fish one way or another, so spare us from the ethical arguments...

[@deej9367]

Do what you do man. But don't fool yourself into thinking your an angler.

[@josephletellier6324]

Not totally true and I never run a leader over 36 inches, but what do I know!

[@timothymyers3072]

Nice video! What about catching a Salmon with a Double Hook Set-up and a Roe Bag? I was basically bottom bouncing the short leader (24" maybe), i felt tap, tap, tap,,,I didnt set my hook immediately, I hit my baitcaster button to let it go a little bit further, felt a thump, and then set my hook, caught the Chinook on the second hook (corner of mouth). I believe the fish chased my cured eggs and not a flossing or snagging technique.

[@brianjohnston4207]

Double hook set up is illegal in Washington when the anti-snagging rule is in affect except when fishing with a buoyant lure.

[@heathmcallister]

Is bead fishing flossing since it hooks the fish in the side of the mouth?

[@Vicztvr]

That's what I'm saying am I not allowed to fish with a beed and a short leader without it being called flossing? It's what I've been taught to do here also but never caught nothing

[@travisalexphoto]

Asking the right questions and getting to the point that this convo is gatekeeping nonsense.

[@joeblack7660]

I got upset watching some guys snagging silver salmon, one after the other, with fly pole set up, under a bridge. Fish were hooked in belly and tail. Confronting them, they explained they were "flossing". It may be legal but it is not ethical.

[@troybranch9720]

Snags in Washington are illegal. If its hooked in the body you have to release it.

[@joeblack7660]

@@troybranch9720 They were not keeping the fish. When a fish was caught they would horse the fish in, drag it onshore , abruptly take the hook out and kick the fish back in the water. Thanks for bringing that point up.

[@geostrong3606]

Tell me the proper set up for salmon st tippy dam if u can thk

[@roberttorres5949]

So glad you made this video Just moved to the NW Co workers insisted to me the fish dons chase bait and flossing was the only way to catch them. ( mind you I’ve been watching your videos since I moved up and new it was BS. Thanks again

[@troybranch9720]

Doesn't leader length also depend on water depth?

[@PSPluggin]

no

[@johnjones6502]

Can still floss ethicly w short 4' whip uh?

[@tysonseafoot7834]

No flossing is ethical lol

[@gbasa1184]

Skokomish 'drift fishing' anglers told me they use 15ft+ leaders so when they snag on the bottom, they could break off and still have enough leader to tie another hook. I observed a small piece of yarn with a hook on their setups. Best reason I heard about long leaders thus far.

[@gbasa1184]

I was new to fishing salmon then.

[@williamwood9942]

g Bass. It's commonly guided practice on deeper Alaska rivers to fish beads on 11' leaders below strike indicators with a small split shot to get down to the bottom where the rainbows and dollies are holding. You'd not likely get a bite otherwise. It's ridiculous to consider this technique snagging. Snagging is illegal in freshwater in AK. AK fishery regulators recognize this. So should everyone else (Shaun Lehman below for example).

[@lootzhimbeyohimbe6346]

Some might say its unethical, but the technique is actually safer to the native fish population. A native fish that’s flossed on the side of the mouth will likely survive after being release, compared to one that has sucked in bait and hooked in the throat or gills.

[@deej9367]

I've fished eggs and sandshirmp for over 20 years on salmon and steelhead and I think once have I had a fish that was hooked to deep to live. Keep telling yourself that it's safer cause you don't know how to fish

[@shad3128]

I always learned nymphing to swing a fly after a good run of some fast water with like a two foot leader, never heard the term flossing or saw how many people hate it until I went to the salmon river lol I guess it's not flossing with the shorter leader and tippet like I use on trout? I just swing the fly across and down and let it drop and sink in the column and if I don't get any hits at the end of the drift i bring it back in without trying to swipe or hook anything, , but I can see how people would use similar idea to almost foul hook fish in that space of water. Thanks for the video

[@FishAnything]

This is a great video - thank you for sharing! I am new to Michigan and saw this in person for the first time and had no idea that people actually do that. Super unethical in my opinion...

[@AddictedFishing]

Agree!!

[@kenbender373]

I'm new to salmon fishing. Thanks for advice I don't want to be doing wrong

[@travisalexphoto]

Having fished for Salmon in NY and in Oregon, you haven't seen "Snagging" until you spend a week on the Salmon River in Pulaski. I do not consider your unethical explanation to be an accurate representation of "flossing", I would consider that simply just snagging, even more so when they rip it sideways as hard as they can. I'm also not really sure how people can gatekeep this topic so hard and act like this is so unethical when lifting your rod. Under your own parameters of unethical, lifting of a rod in anyway shape or form is snagging, so by proxy, float fishing is also snagging. Personally, what matters to me more is how you handle and respect the fish, and intent of the angler. If someone goes out there, does a fly drift and picks up the line slowly, moving around and works the water, if they catch some salmon in the side on accident and let it go, no one should have a single issue with that, and I certainly don't. It's the guys out there with ocean rods, heavy braided line or thick mono, number 1 hooks, just walking the riverbanks, not casting, waiting to find some unsuspecting Salmon in a shallow bed, casting a foot of line over their backs and ripping the hook into them and keeping them, that people should really have an issue with. I think it all comes off as pretentious nonsense for most people who are so die hard on "Flossing" being so bad when the fish are not actively biting. Steelhead are obviously the exception to this are they are on and off munching.

[@alaskatuff2048]

Good thing flossing is legal in Alaska. 😅

[@gr8tfishgr8tfish99]

That’s was educational, I never quite understood how flossing works but did hear of the term. I was worried when I drift fish using floats if I was flossing somehow lol. I started float fishing this past year so a newbie at it

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[@siklegend]

"Can you believe that fuckin thing bit my tiny little corki with 10 feet of leader?" Uh no not really.... lol

[@stevepetrella7289]

Wow! Looks like I've been unknowingly floss fishing Steelhead for well over 30 years. No wonder why I catch so many more than the guys around me fishing with short 12# test mono leaders and size 2 hooks. I thought hiding my line using long (sometimes 6 ft.+) 4# test fluoro and size 18 hooks was my advantage. over them. I've been cheating all along!

[@eviseratorkyle]

Its not cheating if you don't get caught

[@brianjohnston4207]

I have only two lengths that i pre-cut my leaders to for drift fishing. Depending on the water conditions, different bodies of water. Its either going to be a 5' cut or a 4' cut i end up losing about 6 inches after the hook is added and its tied on to the line. However it may be unethical, frowned upon and not recommend to floss but as long as a legal leader length isnt set any fish hooked inside the mouth wether you have a 10' leader or a 4' leader its still legal.

[@KUBKO17]

Yeah, when pinks hit the the Campbell River, BC some guys not even trying to put any colourful presentation . They just put bare jig and 9 feet leader and lets go.

[@austinsonger388]

I've been going down to a local river latley and all the guys are lined up in the river in a tiny ass hole. The fish are dumped by truck already cause of awesome dams! And every single guy. Probably 80 dudes. All flossings as hard as possible. I enjoy seeing all these major anglers. Lol.

[@tylorbyington7602]

Come fish with me on the Klutina river in Copper Center, Alaska. We NEED to floss here, and I truly believe it is ethical. Come check us out @ King For a Day Campground

[@nativesportsmen7872]

Do you guys use free spooling when using a bait caster to make a longer drift? And are you guys going to make a video where you just drift fish instead of using floats?

[@garywillavize6688]

I live in Michigan and it makes the fish stop biting anything after they make it past a group of people flossing you drive 3 hours and get to the spot and it has been ravished by people snagging and the fish all have beads and flys all over them it is sad I end up having to go to the pier heads to get my fish not the same experience as floating skein and watching a bobber drop

[@damienbell3155]

I’m in Alaska people rip threw the water at the sanctuary Russian River. When I’m in Soldotna I go to a great fishing hole and basically use anywhere from a 7-9 ft leader depending on water depth, sometimes the kenai river is deep along the banks but like this yr it was a little low. Yes drifting works , I stopped using the (kenai twitch ) method. Lol. Or the Russian River twitch.

[@Anonymous...............]

great video! i hate flossers.

[@charlesgreen6722]

Thanks, I couldn’t figure out why I see people with 6 feet leaders with a weight and a hook, no bait, then yanking to kingdom come and always catching salmon. I got discouraged cause I wasn’t catching but I see they were flossing are on that BS.

[@KaiMagee19]

Holy crap my town is filled with cheaters, watched so many springs get pulled out but typically only by the people woth super long leaders and yanking at the end of the run. Thank so much for the info, always keep it ethical. Only had 1 on so far but only lasted about 5 seconds aha

[@toddlundquist4310]

This guy maybe good with his idea but I've used eight leaders and still had fish yank it down and hook in mouth everytime , solid tie up for lead never any good, no feel if u have soft bite big fish on steelhead

[@thekingassassin7992]

I can’t stand flossing everyone down here in Cali floss I just see them like the lowest class of outdoorsman

[@LeotheBarbarian]

The whole time I was watching this I was worried that that drift would be snaggy, because those big melon rocks on the far bank

[@tonyatkinson4496]

Regarding leader length, In Washington state they have lots of regulations on when and how you can fish. If Fish and Wild life thought it was flossing I think they would say no leader over 3 1/2 feet.

[@rohays2613]

.......... that it's.............

[@ashtoncunningham6981]

2 foot plus your flossing where I fusion blow out people are flossing with 8 to 14 inches of like when blown out in pockets

[@jongarrigus4600]

Years ago in Sacramento before they made leader length regulations dudes would be using 12 foot leaders snagging salmon

[@jtbrokenharted]

Look at you flossing. Never heard; thanks for the tip. Kidding we have reg$ to follow.

[@shakeandbaked1]

Thank you!

[@fishyy7062]

Went to the washougal yesterday and let’s just say, less then 3 people weren’t flossing. It’s nasty

[@AnthonyRubeoOutdoors]

Great video.

[@juliogil6179]

I recently started fishing and am trying to catch salmon in the America river but hooks don't have to have a beard, can you tell me the types of hooks and thank you very much?

[@ijohnnn]

Your flossing?

[@allancrow134]

Some guys are really good at it, it's kind of an art form unto itself. :)

[@hell2jewzz]

is is so true

[@KooLaidblue]

But I regularly do a big lift and fast retrieve at the end to get the hook and weight off the bottom when I'm drifting bait so I don't snag on the rocks.....

[@travisalexphoto]

And that's the issue. Under the parameters of what most of the people in here consider "snagging" is "lifting", which means pretty much all salmon fishing is snagging the moment you "Life" at any point. Hence why I think these convos are pointless, and conversations should be more focused on the behavior of the angler and the way they treat the fish when caught. That's more important than "Flossing"