Adding flaps to the TrainStar Ascent

Adding flaps to the Volantex TrainStar Ascent. 50mm x 200mm top hinged flaps.
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[@archivist17]

You make that look tantalisingly easy, but I can see years of experience and skill in those hands.

[@kartherton]

Your timing was perfect Andrew. Thats a big help. Thanks. Going to do this on my Banggood Fun cub, when it arrives. Keith. 🇬🇧

[@AndrewNewton]

Nice one Keith. Good luck

[@jimross898]

This is awesome. I've often wondered how flaps would work with a Y splitter as ailerons do. Never had a plane with flaps. Flipping the servo is genius in it's simplicity. Makes total sense but I wouldn't have thought of it.

[@AndrewNewton]

Thanks Jim, I learned this with my Bixler 2 many years ago. They had the flap servo spots facing opposite like the ailerons.

[@MrZeek101]

Nice Mod Sir Andrew took that plane to the next Level take care

[@AndrewNewton]

Thanks 👍

[@landlocked4771]

I like it, nicely done and good music choice, nice subscribe moment too. I hope you never tire of making these.

[@AndrewNewton]

Unlikely, I enjoy the process

[@flyingark173]

Very cool, can't wait to see how they perform!

[@MrVasmikey]

Indeed mate. Crikey! Great work.

[@Bellairvideo]

Such a smart boy #1. Well done.

[@AndrewNewton]

Thanks mate. It works well.

[@Bellairvideo]

Awaiting the Draco. I had 4 tubes of uhu POR delivered from Amazon via the UK recently. If you do not have it & would like a tube to try i will gift it to you

[@AndrewNewton]

@@Bellairvideo Ooh Draco, that looks cool. I stocked up on UHU thanks mate.

[@Bellairvideo]

When i get it you can take it for a flight!

[@eliteduckgamers]

Thanks great video. I needed this for my first rc project.

[@AndrewNewton]

Great to hear!

[@dougmcpheters1546]

I'll be creating a hatch on my this week... Great bit of info here... Newton Airlines, always!

[@AndrewNewton]

Thick plastic. be careful with the knife!

[@dougmcpheters1546]

@@AndrewNewton thanks. Say your video.

[@gerolddo]

I did this last year,it works great,

[@rctips1763]

I thank you for a very,very good flaps video / course, thank you sir!!

[@AndrewNewton]

Glad you like them!

[@julianhumphrey4843]

Fantastic mod, looking forward to seeing how well they work, but sadly decided to sell my unflown ascent, too many planes not enough room

[@deserthunter8363]

Just A Flappin' in the Breeze ....

[@joshgault61]

Awesome vid. I intend to do this to the little FMS cub I bought

[@joelewandowski8232]

I have this very plane in a box waiting to be built. And will do this mod during the build .can't wait to see the new maiden of your plane .

[@AndrewNewton]

Excellent idea. I need to get the FrSKY board working properly first.

[@thenatedog]

Un sarcastically I loved the ending 😆

[@AndrewNewton]

Oh yes, that's a subtle insult I could use. Thanks Nate

[@thenatedog]

@@AndrewNewton no really I liked the foam cutting at the end that was awesome

[@AndrewNewton]

Yes I understand.

[@engineerahmed7248]

I used split flaps on my Bangood C160 using bottom hinge. Consequently both top & bottom wing surfaces stay streamlined whether flaps deployed or not. .. Only catch is that u got to cut very smartly in the middle of wing on the trailing edge.

[@AndrewNewton]

Very tricky but great idea.

[@erad05]

Very good and thank you for showing how easy this is working, as I want to add flaps to my Habu STS. This Plane is way to fast if you have limited space to land it.

[@AndrewNewton]

Glad it helped

[@joemason9187]

nice

[@bleeksbentbits3150]

I was enjoying the sound of rain on your roof as I was doing last minute prep' before trying to re-maiden my 7inch quad..... And then the rain started here.... Just my bloody luck! :v Hope it gives you a break in the rain to try out that new Matek FC instead... ;)

[@AndrewNewton]

FrSKY board. Having some OSD issues. It's all so new and not yet fully supported by INAV. Getting close.

[@deandallmann4464]

Incredibly informative video. LOVED IT! What the tool called that bends the pushrod? Where can I find one?

[@AndrewNewton]

Z bend pliers - HobbyKing

[@aleksanderpawelczyk5221]

Its my mission for next few days. Thanks

[@AndrewNewton]

Good luck!

[@PeterWinnett]

Hi Andrew, I'll be interested to know how well they work. I do find the Ascent wants to land quite fast in no wind, it would be nice to slow it down a bit :) Regards, Pete

[@dougmcpheters1546]

Good point... Nearly like there's a downdraft atop her.

[@GroundControlRC]

Very nice tutorial on flaps! I'm getting ready to add them to my Fun Cub 1100mm to turn it into a STOL ;-) Thanks for sharing this video and I'll see you in the Air!

[@AndrewNewton]

Oh yeah. Please share

[@SatishKumar-iu1yx]

Sir i am your big fan plz teach me aeromodelling

[@garyvale8347]

hello Andrew...I am currently putting this exact model together and since this model has servos in each wing for each aileron , why not just program it for flaperons .....thanks

[@AndrewNewton]

Could do that, but I wanted flaps for programming demonstrations

[@civilsocietyprivateinteres1711]

Andrew would you consider making a quick short video on how to setup flaperons on the radiomaster tx16s??

[@AndrewNewton]

Could do that

[@arlemooldijk1595]

If the tape does not stick to the foam as much as you'd like, apply a thin layer of UHU Por to the foam on the places where the tape must stick and let it dry for a few minutes. Then apply the tape (but do it right the first time as it won't come off) and it will stick forever. @Andrew Newton Which temperature hot glue gun did you use for this, is it a special type perhaps? Thank you!

[@AndrewNewton]

Cheap HobbyKing 12V hot glue gun

[@Hakinank]

I have similar version of this plane, (volantex trainstar epoch v2) probably I will do the same flap setup but would volantex own esc handle additional 2 servos, what do you think Mr. Newton? (2 ailerons + 1 rud. +1 elev.) + 2 flaps

[@AndrewNewton]

Have to check the specs of your ESC but most will handle it OK. I did have to add an external BEC to a Ranger 2000 recently because the BEC on the ESC was playing up.

[@Sandokans]

Hello Andrew. Did you flyit this plane with The aileron added?! How many degrees must be to Take off and landing?!

[@AndrewNewton]

Flaps about 15º down for takeoff and fully down, about 50º, for landing.

[@quilllooo]

Oooh great video! I will kill for flaps on my drift, but o think there is no room for it xD

[@AndrewNewton]

Flaps, rudder, pan and tilt cam......maybe too much

[@egtreadway4232]

Another great video I've learned alot from you, I would like to do this on my talon rebel gt in hopes of slowing it down for landing on my short landing space. This thing comes in fast and wants to keep flying, I want to get your thoughts on this before I start cutting also are you deploying these flaps using a y cable and switch? Thanks for all you do.

[@AndrewNewton]

I wouldn't put flaps on the Talon GT myself but it would be an interesting experiment. Y-lead and switch is the normal method.

[@egtreadway4232]

Thanks for response, just wondering why you wouldn't do this on the talon rebel gt? Do you feel this plane won't benefit from installing flaps? Thanks again

[@AndrewNewton]

Don't know really. I have only put flaps on big planes or gliders. You would have to test carefully to make sure they don't make it pitch up or down too much.

[@egtreadway4232]

Oh ok makes sense , Thanks

[@thebrizrobbo]

Hey Andrew... what are those natty Z-bend pliers that you used? :)

[@AndrewNewton]

Exactly that. Z bend pliers from HobbyKing

[@devansh1735]

Can you please tell me how did you measure the area for the flaps ,(how did you get to know that this much area will be needed)

[@AndrewNewton]

No science involved, I just used the available area between ailerons and wing root. It just looked right compared to other planes.

[@devansh1735]

@@AndrewNewton ok, thanks for your reply, I surely appreciate it

[@guygirard9152]

Hello, following the crash of my trainstar ascent, would you be able to tell me if the anti-torque of the engine is on the right or on the left and possibly by how many degrees and the same for the angle of stitcher to allow me to repair it thanks in advanc

[@AndrewNewton]

It's packed away but I will when I find it again.

[@guygirard9152]

thank you very much, hope you can help me.

[@gonzorcplanes2875]

Hi. Andrew I did this mod, did you ever do a video of this plane with the flaps? I have two sets of wings, one Uses flaperons and one with flaps..it can fly at walking pace now with the flaps ! Flaperons work pretty well too..great vid, thanks.

[@AndrewNewton]

Yes I have

[@jac7775]

hello very good video my congratulations I was wondering how stable this plane is compared to a king tundra or the same bixler 3 greetings and thanks

[@AndrewNewton]

This is a very stable plane, haven't tried the big tundra

[@jac7775]

@@AndrewNewton thank you very much greetings and very good videos

[@DjArity]

Andrew hope you are doing well. Not sure if you kept this trainstar. Had an issue with the landing gear. its made out of soft aluminum and doesn't last long. Do you know of an alternate that i could uae instead? Thank you again.

[@AndrewNewton]

My landing gear is still holding up OK

[@DjArity]

@@AndrewNewton i think that stock landing gear stinks. Its so easy to bend. Is there a carcon fiber manufacturer that you recommend to try and get something that will fit?

[@alexherrera3918]

👍👍👍👍 You got me at Flaps!!!!! Already subscriber.....based on your experiencia......in what conditions a regular srifil wing can be replaced by a kfm2 .....what would be the advantages....excluding the easy to build for the kfm2. I am asking because a want to build a 90cm small savage Bobber and i want to replace the wing.....because it is easy to build and i have no experience building a regular airfoil with spars and covering... but i want to keep or have similar lift. And add very thick flaperons. I hope you can send me some comments, many thanks!!

[@AndrewNewton]

I have never used KFM2 profile but I have used a pure flat wing and they work perfectly well apart from gliding (Boxler wing). I predict it will work on the well Bobber.

[@alexherrera3918]

@@AndrewNewton mamy thanks for yor rapid response and prediction!!

[@DKNguyen3.1415]

Why did you also cut into the wing at @2:09?

[@AndrewNewton]

Cutting an angle on the hinge

[@DKNguyen3.1415]

@@AndrewNewton I thought you already did that directly on the flap itself? Isn't that what the cut towards your thumb @1:52 was?

[@AndrewNewton]

@@DKNguyen3.1415 Yes I cut both sides to give big flap angle

[@DKNguyen3.1415]

@@AndrewNewton Oh, I see. Thanks.

[@johanmarklund8427]

Andrew, I just got my Trainstar Ascent delivered. Will there be a video showing how the flaps work at the field, in the air? Would be wonderful!

[@AndrewNewton]

Showed a bit in the Pilot FCB video, but I can do more

[@johanmarklund8427]

​@@AndrewNewton I saw that, but it would be nice with a in-depth video where you tell us more about how they work in practice and how you did set them up to work as efficiently as possible. Took my Trainsar for a maiden yesterday. I love it but I think it would benefit from flaps to give it a more scale look and smoother landings. Love your videos!! Stay safe!

[@nickhayley]

Question Andrew.. What's holding you back from edfs??

[@AndrewNewton]

EDFs? I might love them if I ever got my hands on a decent one. But short flight times, been for expensive batteries and lack of a good runway are the main reasons.

[@easy_3d]

Which tape are you using?

[@AndrewNewton]

3M Blenderm

[@izabela116]

Do you use elevator compensation with flaps?

[@AndrewNewton]

If required. Some planes don't need it

[@thelaughingman79]

Hi i just ordered this plane i have been trying not to but HK has it for 149 pnp HOW DO I SAY NO ?! Anyways what battery weights should i be looking at. would a 3000mah be on the heavy side for it? I don't want to knee cap its performance. but i don't want short run times either. please weight in here on this and any other advice on setup or operation.

[@AndrewNewton]

Have you watched my 4 other Ascent videos?

[@thelaughingman79]

@@AndrewNewton it would taken less keystrokes to impart the info i was looking for. but your right i probably should.

[@AndrewNewton]

I'm happy to waste keystrokes to help viewers improve their online skills

[@theorangebaron1595]

Andrew Newton, you inspired me to start my own KZbin channel! It would mean everything to me if you commented on one of my videos. Thank you so much! - The Orange Baron

[@makewithmegma]

😍👌👍

[@thirtythreeeyes8624]

Why not just skip cutting a bevel into the flap for a bottom hinge that still has clean airflow on the top?

[@AndrewNewton]

It was a toss up. That would be easier

[@RCJunky]

Just use Flaperons...

[@The_Pub_]

Fuck mate! You must be so bored at present,,, I do understand ya grief.... Soldier on though!!! Don't have an Ascent,, But an Epoch, Flaps are always a good thing! OK Hinge then Tape,,,, Sweet... Nothing more Laxin than sittin in the shed doodling while it's Pissin down outside...>

[@no_1one675]

Does it matter if you install the servos more near the body of the plane or do you have to have it centered with the flaps

[@AndrewNewton]

Doesn't matter as long as the flaps are not to flexy

[@no_1one675]

@@AndrewNewton ok thank you