Adding SAMs to Counter Top Tier CAS in War Thunder?

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So this one is a hypothetical! Do we need SAMs to counter the threat of top tier CAS in war thunder?
Well other than the obvious fact that these vehicles might be extremely OP they are also even more harder to implement in the game!
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[@user-uz3jp7fe1o]

If they add the s300 cas is gonna be like this: get the sp for plane, spawn in, think 5 seconds about your life choices and then after get shot down by a s300.

[@Da-Real-Gigachad]

Just double the player count and make the maps 5-10 times bigger. Add more rewards for doing stuff. And make it more of a join mid battle and leave whenever instead of round based. Almost like in the dev server except less chaotic.

[@skilz2kil528]

Lmao what your describing is literally Enduring confrontation mode which is already in the game for all branches except ground. As I've been saying for years - we need a fully mixed EC mode where you can build a lineup consisting of all vehicle types. It would be the easiest thing to do, they just need to port over the existing air, naval and heli objectives/spawn locations and create some for ground forces and it would be done ezpz. It works really well too - I've played a few community games doing exactly that with much higher player counts then normal matches and it was flawless and felt extremely balanced too - AA systems could move around and support the ground forces over an entire EC size map, making CAS much more challenging since you could be engaged from any location around the AO, while naval vessels had their extremely potent air defence weapons to defend themselves and ships like Bravy and Douglass could also support your fleet with their anti air missiles. The most fun & balanced experience I've ever had in WT and needs to be a permanent game mode.

[@Steel_Raiin]

@@skilz2kil528 I've been saying this for ages except the sim setup for tanks e.g. commander view and gunner sight and airplanes with first person and mouse joystick is a turn off for most players so I would prefer to see an ec mode with realistic controls combing all 5 vehicle trees

[@Silent_WT]

A giant mixed EC map, pretty neat idea!

[@Em_Youl]

Bro no way man! S 300's Range would be bigger than the entire map XD

[@Silent_WT]

yez :>

[@MR-JUSTINN]

@@Silent_WTadd s400 and that one USA thing that kills everything Russian

[@timothygoodwin3287]

I would be ok with these larger SAM systems as long as things like SEAD and electronic warfare options are added to counter. As for the vehicles I would have it where the player controls the launch vehicle and has the radar appear on screen as you said. For killing them I would give the vehicle the ability to replace the command or radar vehicle once per spawn acting like the crew replenishment but not needing to be at a cap point and there would only be one launch vehicle that is not replicable. If two or more vehicles or the launch vehicle were destroyed that counts as a total kill.

[@TheArmaGuy762]

I think the solution is you drive and command the command vehicle all other vehicles are following you AI driven, but you can take command of every one like the mini drone. Than you can place them individualy or automatic. If your all your Tels got taken out you need to drive to Cap to get a new one, same with radar. But if the command module gets taken out you are taken out.

[@skilz2kil528]

I would love to see multi-piece AA systems come to the game - infact I'm kinda expecting them to come sometime next year, the devs have inferred they are working on such systems for Japan currently in a forum post I read like two months ago. Frankly we do need more capable AA systems, as a CAS main myself and im sure as anyone who has played grb will tell u - any decent top tier cas player can remain literally untouchable to any current AA system, even pantsir is not even a threat so long as you have a good thermal optical system and fly in a disciplined manner. Better AA systems will help this as it will push the effective threat range out past where such jets can efficiently engage ground targets, though we will need larger maps to support this - at least in regards to the flyable area so that there is at least some room to defend yourself as an aircraft. I've always imagined such systems to have a deployment system like your friend mentioned aswell, where they just follow you as the launch/command vehicle around like a little conga line and on a 'deploy' button press they will congregate together around you and set themselves in place. Though while I think we should see these implemented to air EC rn as AI controlled elements - in order for these to function effectively as player-controlled vehicles and also feel somewhat balanced, especially the long-range systems like patriot/s300, we will firstly need to have ARM's for aircraft but also probably restrict them - or at least their longer-range missiles to a fully mixed EC mode. That's would be the ultimate mode for WT and has been on my Wishlist forever - where u could build a lineup of all classes of vehicles, higher player counts on even larger EC maps and they just need to add objectives for ground forces and bring the air, heli and naval EC objectives in together - would be awesome, and works actually really well already in community events that I have played in designed as exactly that.

[@finnm.2582]

The S-300 would make no sense in Ground RB, same thing goes for NATO Systems like HAWK or Patriot. These are multiple component systems and consist of multiple vehicles (Command Vehicle, Power Supply Trucks, Tracking Radar, Terrain Following Radar, TEL, etc.) and these SAM Systems are stationary.

[@Silent_WT]

they are stationary because they are composed of different parts but they can pack up and relocate if need be.

[@M0LOCK]

I mean eldenhet has 40km IRIS-T and its a TLAR...

[@bryanmclaughlin1048]

I think the air bases should have patriot AA manned by AI. That's how it would be in real life anyways.

[@poisonis165]

I thin a Sam system simulator that’s stationary would be pretty cool you only get the radar screens and have to iff etc can’t move but missiles are very strong

[@V4Ng0]

I want that cheesy targeting pod for the A10 ngl

[@exo7524]

The real problem is not the aircrafts, is the game, the game modes and all things need to be rework, let's imagine us vs Urss top tier match, you spawn on a Abrams and I spawn on a BVM, you killed 3 and have enough points to spawn on a f16c, and I dont have enough points to spawn in a mig29 to counter you, you have all the air supremacy to kill everyone in the battlefield, they need to rework the entire game mode, change how the game feells and how people spawn, take out the points make like sim, 2 ground spawns and one air, things like that

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

It would work more as like airfield aa

[@GeneralLee2000]

I had someone saying the SPYDER should be added... it has Python 5 man 😭😭😭

[@adyenmurry7027]

Yeah the war thunder community makes my braincells evaporate

[@Silent_WT]

I mean its underpowered compared to R-73s... ~ WarThunder community logic 2023

[@cristitanase6130]

It will happen, but not S300 and Patriot but Krug, Kub, Buk and the rest. All of them are highly effective against CAS especially when no SEAD is present.

[@zusansth274]

Something like s300 has to be added to naval the anyway, so why not?

[@mattgoodwin2914]

Was here first Habibi!

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

Idk man, it would make the game kinda unplayable. Kinda like air combat IRL. Plus because of the render distance being so short, F-16s won’t be able to outrange a Pantsir player in practice anyways.

[@Silent_WT]

yez :>

[@Wotan-Botan-420XD]

Gigachad mashalah :D

[@rotoface5469]

I don't think the s300 would be balanced since it has a mast radar that sees over trees and it would be able to intercept large missiles like the PGM, as we've seen in a curtain war , the only way to deal with these systems is with either small drones or or stealth cruise missiles like storm shadow but there still need to be used from over 200km away and in war thunder this would just take waaaaay too long

[@WarHunter57]

Yes, but keep in mind how braindead war thunder players are

[@h.a8681]

Personally I think they could make it so there are set spawn points for "AA batteries" around the map on yours teams side and perhaps slightly behind the map too. You could simply select the AA battery for example S-300 or Patriot and then select a spawn point where the entire battery would be spawned as a fixed position. They could perhaps make it so that you could change spawn point after a delay if you feel you want to move, but it shouldnt be fast. I think the idea of moving around is cool, but maps in war thunder are so small and it would take so long that its barely practical, its not like you'd be able to go into cover or reposition quickly. They'd need to add enough spawn positions to make it unpredictable for SEAD aircraft to know where you are and attack, but it would arguably be more difficult than if the AA spawned like normal ground vehicles due to WT's small map size. Thats just my opinion and its of course quite a complex issue. Great video :)

[@user-te7rf8ik7z]

Nobody should play long range sams, as it would be insanely boring. Maybe in air rb for airfield defence.

[@astrogumbie2399]

It doesn't Need it they just need to add a few more systems around the Bases is all because the AAA will rip you a new one in RB and SB all day if you dick around. An more people need to care a AAA system in their lineups to counter Jets!! The game in my opinion needs to have its missiles corrected to work correctly because with some you can't even FLARE them

[@mamarussellthepie3995]

Ytp AGM65 Maverick

[@cosmicbass]

An S300….

[@alexspeetjens2985]

HARM😁

[@andrewpeterson6526]

Then give us patriots and hawk missles

[@keno5839]

There's a 0 percent change any of these are added to the game and for good reason, instead of begging for power creep all the devs need to do it re-buff AA

[@user-te7rf8ik7z]

Isn't Pantsir op enough?

[@Silent_WT]

have you seen me kill 2 of them with relative ease in the video?

[@SotGravarg]

Ahhh that gameplay was so painful to look at 😢

[@Silent_WT]

if ur talking about the ground RB one then yeah I suck... if its the air one then I say that I like to toy around with the enemy before killing them. It so fun watching them think that they have a fighting chance.

[@masterchef0957]

Leave the radar in spawn

[@raizel2601]

Ye hope they never add these, the current AA on ground are already annoying 💀💀😭

[@Silent_WT]

this patch they are nerfed badly.

[@Creamin_All_Offensive]

My AIM-120 AMRAAM-ER launched from SLAMRAAM or NASAM systems honest reaction: 🤫🧏🗿