F-15 Is A Dogfight Monster! F15 vs Su-27, Gripen, and Mirage 4000!!

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F-15 on the dev is becoming better and better! the plane can actually now dogfight! I gave this jet a lot of hard time when it was first announced but I can see its potential! it can even hold its own against the Su27, which is very impressive!!
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[@Silent_WT]

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[@appa609]

"I lost too much energy" while airbrake is hanging open

[@Silent_WT]

Funny thing about the airbrake and these aircraft; the way that they are positioned on the plane helps you pull even better.

[@appa609]

@@Silent_WT Does that actually work in game?

[@Silent_WT]

from what we tested yes it noticeable! the plane actually pulls specially if you take it to the vertical!@@appa609

[@bwhittv1446]

So if other nation mains cry about their stuff so badly, they too can get changes even if they aren’t accurate irl?

[@cabbageashthe1st594]

German mains have been doing this for years you know

[@bwhittv1446]

@@cabbageashthe1st594 I’m making fun of all the American mains crying about no AIM-120, how it would be fine that the F-15 got it, although didn’t irl, cuz R-27ERs. American mains are just morons..

[@bwhittv1446]

@Slight- Sorry thought it was titled “F-15A” like it is currently lol

[@V4Ng0]

9:12 if Mirage 4k is this good then imagine what a hell spawn Rafale will be 😈

[@ZeePanzer]

In strsight up turning capability and rate fight? It will be worse, the 4000 is a prototype, the can put any FM on it.

[@dylparl6057]

except it flew some ~350 odd times and has a good amount of data/info around it. It's not some made up plane. Also - every plane in this game has "any FM on it", if you think anything in WT is even similar to irl performance you got jokes.

[@ligma-balls9252]

Ight deal, france gets Rafale, Germany and Britain gets eurofighter, ussr get’s whatever they’re using now, and USA gets the f-22 with 9x

[@Silent_WT]

Imagine the weaponry!!

[@V4Ng0]

@@Silent_WT mica and meteor ooof

[@commander843]

Thank you! Been looking for a video on the updated flight model and honestly think this flight model is much better and much more competitive. I still think its gonna get dogged on by r27s but here we are... all I can say is its appalling that gaijun things sparrows are comparable to 27s

[@Silent_WT]

Glad you like it!

[@wolftooth6678]

US mains always find something to whine and cry about

[@WarDaddy8917]

Just as its supposed to be

[@wickedjaws5400]

No its not lol, f15 is a fat whale that goes fast, it shouldnt turn that well

[@gustavoduarte915]

​@@wickedjaws5400ok, you know that aircraft better than engineers that projected it

[@Xiodot]

In fairness though, the F-16 and Su-27s should out-maneuver the F-15 at least a little bit, it is an actually massive aircraft but the lift body design does help it stay somewhat competitive

[@martenkalzen3284]

​@@wickedjaws5400The f15A and C are both very good dogfighters. Mainly 2 circle but they have good 1 circle capabilities aswell. It should outrate the su 27 by quite a bit as it has better thrust to weight ratio and loses less speed during turns. The f15E which has way bigger fuel tanks is a very bad dogfighter as it is a strike aircraft.

[@orange1718]

@@wickedjaws5400weird way to spell f4

[@darknut9696]

Can't wait to make a Starscream camo using blue and fed decals

[@ferrous3262]

you can also play his song from the devastators game if you want

[@ShortTexiMexi]

Something I don't understand is why everyone always does one circle when doing these kinds of dogfights and never take advantage of going two when they get the chance and keep trying to one circle the fight I can understand f15 v f15 but taking an su27 or gripen one circle instead of two is basically suicide and the smart thing to do would be to use the f15s thrust to rip around the two circle and pull in, is there just something I'm not getting about the flight models in war thunder making one circle fighters dominate in both regardless if the other plane has high thrust and good aoa like the f16

[@lohpu1208]

wdym f16 is the best rate-/dogfighter, the f15 and su27 have no chance against it. Only the gripen and mirage 4k

[@martenkalzen3284]

​@@lohpu1208The f16 doesnt have nearly the one circle capabilities as an su 27 or mirage or gripen. It is a 2 circle fighter, and it is the best 2 circle fighter of basically any aircraft in warthunder (and basically any overall) the f15 is slightly worse in a 2 circle than an f16 but is still alot better than a gripen mirage or su 27. I recommend the growling sidewinder if youre interested in dogfights and what vehicles excel in what. He mainly plays dcs which is about as close to real air combat as a simulator can get.

[@lovelyhippo7826]

One thing to note is that the 1 corcle helps to jam the WEZ of fox 2s.. A su27 will kill almost everything if it can get a good launch with an r73, and a 2 circle will give it that.

[@Estuardomendez13]

you can make it work its just really hard cause mouse aim is trash at sustained turning it will go uncoordinated and janky so you get more drag anyways

[@martenkalzen3284]

@@ruska9773 Yeah, makes ya wonder when theyll add df missiles to the us. Or at least later 9ms

[@bt_the_yank6234]

Nice changes to the flight model. Hopefully they dont nerf it now

[@Silent_WT]

We shall see!

[@RayzorJaxAuf]

I consider myself terrible at air rb but ill be getting this as soon as the patch drops

[@albino4160]

Looks to me like it's the perfect zoom and boom jet for the American line

[@Sultan-cf5wf]

4:31 Gaijin modeled the blue note too. Wow!

[@PILOTMECH5]

Dang those flyby sounds sound really good.

[@newzarte4444]

I hope the flight model of the 4000 doesn't get changed, it feels good when one of your favorite plane irl is Also one of the best in warthunder 😂

[@Silent_WT]

Hopefully!

[@necro3697]

First merge camera pov pulled way too early before the planes merged

[@Zachattack-ot2un]

The aam-3 is like a python 3 with the Motor and seeker of the 9M

[@Silent_WT]

Thank you for the information!

[@RAYY_WILD]

not really, the motor is slightly more powerful but the rocket itself is heavier and have more drag also it should have 2 channel seeker. So i would say say it is more like an 9M with better seeker and range

[@foundedcupid5286]

The aam3 should be a lot better the aam3 is one of the best non trusth vectoring ir missile it should have aim9x irccm and python 4 fly performance

[@RAYY_WILD]

@@foundedcupid5286 but there is aam5 in existence

[@foundedcupid5286]

but the aam5 is just used in the late f2 f35 and f15j kai@@RAYY_WILD

[@hydraulic7914]

Can u do one where u 1v1 the 6 16c I want to see how it measures up to the compeition

[@sankyu3950]

Ahh yes i love it when the war thunder community gets into an uproar when popular plane is weak but also gets into another uproar when it does get buff, joke aside because at the end of the day it doesnt matter how skilled you are or how good your plane is, all it take is a random missile or you being forced to fight in a furball to make you go back to the hangar just to repeat the cycle over again.

[@Spaz1NOuT]

The AAM-3 should be better then the 9L in every way even the 9M it should have stronger IRCCM, the AAM-3 could be mach 3.5 but theres mixed information between sources

[@jordancourse5102]

They reduced the IRCCM for balance I guess.

[@Spaz1NOuT]

@@jordancourse5102 oh 100% im not expecting it to have its UV sensors its essentially a 5th generation seeker on a 4th generation frame

[@joeyhofman4527]

What does the F15 have going for it when grippens and flankers win dog fighters and the flankers have better BVR capabilities?

[@lev1785]

don't stop them from enjoying shit

5:40 what you did is what we call a "Syrian lead turn" It's a Hail Mary turn against a more maneuverable opponent.

[@jakedaprile5798]

Does that work in war thunder, I imagine you dont have to turn accross the nose like that.

[@Silent_WT]

Oh Neat!! thank you for telling me the name dude

[@Silent_WT]

yes it needs to be timed correctly

[@Turtle_Inc]

It feels real bad not having hmd

[@adamsteinmetz3223]

Just as the founding father intended

[@AeroTurtle]

The Dogfight of all time!!!!

[@Silent_WT]

More to come!!!!!!!!!

[@felixgaede6754]

Why do you have your flaps down the two circle/ rate fight? Doesn't that just kill all your speed?

[@Silent_WT]

Not by much, plus it helps with tightening the turn circle and maintains the plane in the air at low speeds.

[@mchonkler7225]

You get in a dogfight like what? Once every 10 matches or so and that usually ends in a 3rd party missle to the face.

[@carottefondeurenfer]

We need massive enduring confrontation maps, we could have nice dogfights that way

[@tryharderpls]

@@carottefondeurenfer No, we need smaller maps with less people per team, i still dont want to fly for 10 mins to find someone, but idiots like u love to fly for 10 mins before anything happens and also gaijin loves idiots like u too because massive maps that take forever to even get to an enemy make it take much longer to progress through tech trees, but i know im a genius and ur normal and u dont think about these things i understand i have to stop comparing myself to others on the internet it further solidifies my god complex

[@lilhead9454]

@@carottefondeurenfer nah we need smaller lobbies. on the EC maps its the same as the normal maps (everyone just going to the middle and making a giant furball) but it takes slightly longer.

[@Silent_WT]

It is still beneficial to know the capabilities of the planes.

[@unlimitedtimez341]

was this before the gripen nerf?

[@Silent_WT]

After, the footage is fresh!

[@AKars1]

Hey quick question, people say F15 TWR and model is not modeled correctly, is that true?

[@Silent_WT]

Used to be that way, then they adjusted it before the dev closed, and tbh I think that they are still working on it.

[@AKars1]

@@Silent_WT Are you using the latest version of the dev test in this video or they are old footage?

[@Silent_WT]

Yes this footage was recorded 8 to 6 hours before the dev closed@@AKars1

[@AKars1]

@@Silent_WT Alright man, thx you earned your self another sub and btw, do F15 still lose a LOT of speed now when they turn?

[@Silent_WT]

Depends on the fuel load but not that much really. On min fuel I sustained a constant turn at mach.@@AKars1

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

Funny how all the prototype planes end up being the best in WT... It's almost like they've got made up stats and none of the flaws you find in a production series aircraft because they never properly produced it.

[@piscessoedroen]

the single, and only prototype of M4K has 300+ test flight, so flight data isn't that hard to find and verify. it's also a giant kite with more than 1:1 TWS. however, flaws that are related to factors that aren't ingame (durability, safety, cost, ergonomics, etc) are gone, because it's a simcade

[@ferrous3262]

yak141 is useless

[@alaricpumani5372]

Just saying..... The canards are pure esthetic, they don't work for the gripen in WT, the devs literally said it.... It will bug

[@Estuardomendez13]

to be fsir f15 works best when kept over 600km/h youre suoposed to out rate things not just do full pull turns the entire time the best rate speed is around 700 to 800 km/h not a full elevator pull

[@Silent_WT]

R-73...

[@Estuardomendez13]

@@Silent_WT he did the same against the grippen which doenst have r73 also you should preflare r73 and he never did

[@girostade5477]

you have no lift, and everything in the engines, this is the equivalent to a Rear Wheel Drive car on which you need to get precise Throttle inputs to turn optimally, the opposite of Delta Wings where you don't turn without being full gas, hahaa I speculate, I expect that most of what I'm saying is wrong, but the analogy is fun

[@Silent_WT]

I mean close enough to be fair! I like that analogy!

[@cabbageashthe1st594]

Update Apex Predators: "yes! The f-16 is here! It's finally he- aaaand the mig-29 is better..." Update Air Superiority: "yes! The f-15 is here! General Lee was finally righ- aaaand the SU-27 is better..."

[@ferrous3262]

nah f-15 will still be good it doesn't have insane speed bleed like the flanker

[@saracchi1515]

hows the mig29 and su27 is better, coper? wtf

[@Optimusprime56241]

@@saracchi1515 the su27 quite literally turns better and has way better missiles/loadouts

[@Silent_WT]

Poor Lee man hahaha I love that guy xD

[@yoshimitsu1260]

Funny how ya all yankees fanboy thought US jets are better in every way possible in comparison to other nations jets. It just doesn't work like that. Su27 should be way better in once circle dogfight in comparison to F15, while F15 is already good in what it is supposed to be good: energy retention and two circle dogfight in comparison to Su27. Basically Su27 is still underperforming a little while F15 is performing correctly. Stop crying and get good, this come from someone maining both US and USSR so i don't really care or need to lie just to have "a better jet", lol. P.S F16 still flies like an UFO and overperform in everyway possible, while soviets Mig29s (german mig29g is slightly better) underperform in everyway possible in comparison to its irl capabilities, but ya all yankees fanboy are still quiet about it.

[@ValkValerian]

USE DOGFIGHT ACM I GUARANTEE YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET AN AIM9 KILL IF YOU SLAVED IT WITH DF ACM AT 5:20

[@Silent_WT]

I tried before, problem is on the dev F-15 radar has trouble locking or holding lock! idk why though, maybe its a work in progress; But I can tell you that it is even worse than mig's radar currently

[@ValkValerian]

@@Silent_WT understandable, I've had that issue to, mainly when it comes to radar missile launch

[@Da-Real-Gigachad]

The 4000 is just weird in MY opinion.

[@Silent_WT]

its a beast bruh xD

[@Da-Real-Gigachad]

@@Silent_WT yeah but its so fat and dorito shaped.

[@appa609]

WT players really don't know how to rate fight.

[@99eryaydude93]

you literally cant with normal controls because theres no other option other than full elevator

[@appa609]

@@99eryaydude93 Wdym just move your mouse incrementally it's called mouse aim not press-s

[@99eryaydude93]

@@appa609 yeah and you cant see the enemy at all when you mouse aim you still need to judge distance and shit whenever you rate, and if you mouse aim incrementally you lose all your situational awareness and worst of all visual of the guy youre fighting

[@appa609]

@@99eryaydude93 or pwm the s key

[@Silent_WT]

yeah... sadly I never got my pilot's certificate in military aircraft 😶

[@hesko125]

Did they buff it

[@Silent_WT]

Yes :>

[@savior8017]

No hate, but I think a lot of these outcomes would have been different if you knew more on dogfighting. Again no disrespect, Im not defending the f15 either, I just like watching good old duels

[@Silent_WT]

no problem! we are just average players doing average player things! keeps it relative to most of the player base!

[@savior8017]

@@Silent_WT that makes sense, hope my didn’t come off as harsh or like I’m a big dick lol. Keep up the content man.

[@Silent_WT]

Nah dude you are good! at least now this clarifies the type of content that I do for you as a viewer. Thank you for the encouragement though I appreciate it!!@@savior8017

[@apathofpain]

wooo another plainful update to USA main

[@Silent_WT]

Not necessarily.

[@Marco-cg7fb]

The f15 feels dead on arrival, the mirage 4000 gets more better ir missiles, dogfights better and accelerates better. The gripen has 3 times the flares, gets more ir missiles 2 less sarh missiles, much better flight performance. The su27 gets more and better ir missiles and better sarh missiles, it out dogfights the f15 too.

[@spicyandsweet]

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[@life3600]

F-15A is way worse than Su27 in War thunder

[@ferrous3262]

no

[@Silent_WT]

Now its better!

[@yoshimitsu1260]

People like you should fly F22s against Mig9s to slightly have a chance, but thats your personal skill issue problem. Git gud

[@life3600]

@@yoshimitsu1260 good one, now play your F-15A against Su-27 with 6 r27ers

[@yoshimitsu1260]

@@life3600 Honestly no problem with that when you know when and how to notch and flare lol i had my best fights in an UFO F16 against Mig29s🤣 while had the worse pain ever in nerfed Mig29s against F16s

[@BinaryKiller_Recoded]

Ahahahaha, F-15A being good? You must be joking with us right? The wings rips off in a basic turn, and 1 cannon round from an enemy is enough to take the plane out completely, meanwhile the Su-27 is laughing its balls of because of this

[@unlimitedtimez341]

wing rip got fixed

[@BinaryKiller_Recoded]

@@unlimitedtimez341 Interesting, that must've been a very recent fix cause I played an hour before I posted this with the wing still ripping with 1G turns

[@BinaryKiller_Recoded]

@@unlimitedtimez341 After re-test comment : Seems they have fixed it indeed, still not impressed however

[@Silent_WT]

tell me you didn't watch the video without watching the video! xD Dude yes they fixed it and it is fine now, and tbf it is pretty good! kinda of a surprise tbh...

[@BinaryKiller_Recoded]

@@Silent_WT Oh, I did, just after the comment, however... I am still more impressed by the Gruppen, Mirage 4000 and the Su-27 over the F-15A.... I feel like Gaijin is preparing something else in its entirety

[@IckyStickyOils]

Did it get a change? 🤣 Cause last I remember it gets dogged on.

[@nicolaspeigne1429]

Yeah, enough complaining did the job it seems, update not even out

[@IckyStickyOils]

Update to live servers wont be for a week or two, So wdym lmao. I mean't did the flight models get changed.@@nicolaspeigne1429

[@Silent_WT]

Yes they updated the model!

[@_berna_4707]

How can it be a dogfight monster if it wins only against itself AHAHAHAH

[@alucidrust]

The F-15 is overperforming heaps right now. It shouldn't be beating the SU-27 in any one circle engagement, either the F-15 needs a nerf or the SU-27 needs a buff.

[@oreca1633]

He doesn't know what BFM is...That's the worst dogfight I've ever seen

[@yotamohana7620]

F15 is better in a two circle fights and SU27 is better at one circle fight thank me later

[@Silent_WT]

R-73 is better in every fight and doesnt care about your maneuvers.

[@yotamohana7620]

@@Silent_WT maybe it doesn’t but a lot of players will pull so hard on the first turn and lose all their energy so R37 will use more of its energy just to get close

[@DragoneyeVII]

You need to try to not say literally every other sentence.

[@Silent_WT]

English is my 4th language...

[@wat1353]

Brainless airbrake merge vetical 1c

[@smc-susan]

That.. was worst dogfight ever... Why the hell are you doing 1C is F-15? Why the hell are you using airbrake as f15? It's your skill issue I could do much better than this

[@gavrilovdenis153]

F15 should have much much worse flight model then it has especially after last update when it can turn like crazy at speeds like 700-800 km/h