Warco WM16B mill first cuts, blocking up

[@frankjames4573]

ADE, As Iv'e said before, I'm a novice. Your vids are such a help to me... I want to thank you for being kind enough to share your skills an knowledge, gained over many years. At some point I would love to treat you to... a pint... .... or two... ... or free... ... or floor... ... ( burrp ) Or a cutter or something to may need! Frank...

[@bazxl57]

Ade Really pleased you have a mill, had mine12 months now which is similar to your mill & I find it excellent for my needs, your fly cutter worked so much better than others I have watched on you tube I would be happy to have it in my workshop ( shed ). I do look forward to all your video's, And please don't get rid of your green jumper, it has seen a lot of action on your channel. All the best Baz

[@ade63dug]

This was the perfect occasion for the green jumper to come out to play , it is getting quite a following of it's own , Cheers Ade.

[@bejay69]

So pleased for you getting 'first cuts' Ade, been a long time coming!

[@bhein67]

What a wonderful addition to your shop.

[@jonsworkshop]

Hi Ade, you had an easy apprentice tutor giving you jewellery to wear!!! My tutor would give you a good smack round the ear hole!! Having watched several of my peers get this treatment, it was enough to make me never be so stupid. At 27:06, your hands tell the whole story of how long you have waited and planned this moment.....brilliant, so pleased for you pal. Jon

[@donaldnaymon3270]

It’s good to see you running the mill. Like the fly cutter Great work Thank you for sharing.

[@Stefan_Boerjesson]

Saw Your video, in the smartphone, late yesterday. Fontans explode in water, You explode in joy. What a joy to watch Your video! You are like a child during Christmas. I can see You were hot and eager to get to the Shop. You picked Your old pullover...... I have 2 of the type vise You show. For one of them I've modified the piece locking into the base. I ought to have pictures of it. The issue is that the main part in the lockin has freedom to turn. There are measures to prevent that. The second vise is waiting for the same update. I experienced the problem that the locking screw tightening the locking pin got loose and the pin was anywhere it wanted, and locking was poor. Somewhere I have drawings for clamps using the side holes for clamping but You will shurely design such on Your own. At the time 45;00 You showed me a valuable trick! Using 1:2:3 block for support. And that protective gard.... I took my one off Before the first cut. No interlock cicuitry made trouble. Cheers.

[@canalboating]

Great Video Ade, really good to see you getting to grips with your new milling machine, that was a nifty trick cutting that block in half I've never seen that done before. I'd still be hacksawing through it :)

[@kristoferjonsson3362]

To adjust the gib you need to loosen the screw on the opposite side. Otherwise you might bend the gib. Thank you for sharing your excitement!

[@ade63dug]

Indeed , i did drop the rear end screw back for this process , and the tightened back once set , apologies for not explaining the method fully , Cheers Ade.

[@eyuptony]

Good to see the mill working Ade. You said just what I was thinking at the same time about that fly cutter it's making a real nice job.

[@brucewilliams6292]

Hi Ade, I am glad the new mill is working out so well. Thanks for all the tips!

[@steved8038]

Thank you and congratulations on your new up and running machine , nice to see British workshop equipped with the best a limited budget can get as opposed to rows of expensive professionally machinery . looking forward to many new projects.

[@AdeSwash]

Nice one Ade, the mill will open up so many new machining uses for you, great stuff!

[@jamiebuckley1769]

very nice mill ade it seems very robust and very solid. happy to see you making chips on your new mill.

[@RockingJOffroad]

The first chips are always the sweetest chips, even if it is an old machine!

[@johncrea9395]

Ade Get some ball bearings, machine a flat, and use them in the vice instead of the dowel pin. The ball bearing allows the work piece to move to give you the most even pressure on the back jaw. There actually was a commercial product out at one time call ScrewyBalls that were sold just for that purpose. Relatively easy to make, just take a bunch of light cuts till you get a good flat on one side of the ball bearing. I actually then put the ball bearing in the vice (use some backing on the round side to avoid marring the back jaw of the vice) and drilled and put in a short piece of round stock for a finger hold to use when position the ball bearing Really enjoy your videos, keep up the good work and keep them coming John

[@pgs8597]

G’day Ade, thanks for sharing your new mill, now you’ll have more tooling to make. Cheers Peter

[@rafo6577]

Definitely a proper KZbinr now Ade, even getting a bit of creative editing in... Great job!

[@gilb6982]

I like that machine ! no noticable vibration when cutting , at least on the video we see that the chips are not moving on the table that is really good for a machine of that size ! Good - old Tony trick - lol

[@nikond90ful1]

Thanks for the video Ade. Nice TOT action on cutting the bar.

[@richardmeyer418]

At last - CHIPS. In your shoes, I doubt I could have contained myself. I have been awaiting this, eagerly. Thanks, Ade.

[@richardmeyer418]

What can I say, except quote the British philosopher, M Python, Esq - "Trouble at t'mill."

[@secretsix6]

i've got one them mills made the power feed from a wiper motor works a treat for the long travel an the up an down of the head

[@ade63dug]

It is high on my list of modifications, Cheers Ade.

[@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian]

ADES WORKSHOP So hope you make a video of that modification.

[@jimrick52]

I know this video is two years old now, but I've only just seen it. I remember engineering classes in school, and we had spring loaded chuck keys that were impossible to leave in the chuck.

[@Engineerd3d]

Good luck. That looks awesome.

[@russellhayward2359]

Brilliant Ade, I made hold down clamps for my milling vice today 😂

[@michaelrandle4128]

Nice one Ade, glad you're happy with the mill, I've got a Wong Fu clone, it's a small bench top like yours, they work fine as long as you respect it has limitations and don't slip into Abom mode.

[@stephentayler1414]

I have a toolmakers vice and a rotary table mounted pretty much permanently on the mill. the Rotary table also has an attachment plate on it that I made. Using the absolute setting on my dro the machine always knows where the center for the rotary table is.

[@denniswilliams8747]

I made hold downs for my 2" vice using 1/4" pins. Works fine. The pins were put into blocks that used bolts and "T" nuts in the conventional way. THanks

[@dankolar6066]

When it's your ball and ball, you get to make the rules. And when it's your shop, you get to make the rules.

[@jrgenneess762]

Congratulations Ade

[@stephenmale4492]

Removing the screen was the first thing I did on mine too. They’re a right royal pain in the arse, its always in the way. I do wear a full face mask when using it though. Really enjoy your videos mate. Cheers.

[@bostedtap8399]

First chips, a good start, rather than sparks or magic smoke 🤗 Thanks for sharing.

[@can5projects563]

hope you are having fun with your machine

[@delstone1919]

I can see a lot of mods on the way Ade. It's a right pain trying to keep up an even feed by hand. Excellent video and I'm looking forward to seeing what other ideas you come up with.

[@grahamshedd9225]

Hi Ade. Your mill has been a long time coming and your enthusiasm for it's arrival is a pleasure to behold! I was wondering if you had done any checks on runout? How is the spindle clocking? How do tools clock up? It would be interesting to know how good these 'hobby' mills fair for those restrained by a budget and seeking precision. Thanks for giving the world the benefit of your experience.

[@ericbouchard844]

Hello Ade Good Channel lot of information. For your milling guard, i by-pass the switch on my 706 clone and use an cheap Chineese Noga Arm scew in the old switch hole. I can put the Gard anyway i want to deflect the chips.

[@shaunadams2143]

Hi ade very informative as always thank for sharing kind regards Shaun 😀😀

[@ade63dug]

Thanks Shaun , the mill have given me an endless list of improvements to do , so many more video's to come , Cheers Ade.

[@wizrom3046]

When you adjusted the cut height on the quill it looked like you were reaching right back to the Z axis column locks? To adjust the quill? Isn't the quill lock on the left side near the front of the head? I'm confused. 🤔

[@Petrolhead66]

Also, would be a great video showing what camera equipment etc you use to make your vids

[@meekee6847]

Thanks Ade absolutely fascinating stuff

[@pauldevey8628]

You seem to be having fun with your new toy.

[@airgunsfreedom700ssp3]

I envy you. I am seriously considering a mill upgrade. Right now I have a 15 yr old Seig X2 and it really is under sized and under powered. One thing I noticed in your video, is you didn’t use the micro adjust on the quill. Since the micro feed wheel is on the front, locking and unlocking would be a little easier. I guess after a while you’ll get to know all the tricks. I’m definitely looking forward to seeing more of the mill in operation, and Im looking forward to your learning adventure. Cheers.

[@ade63dug]

the flycutter puts a heavy sideload and an intermittent cut on the spindle and quill . i try to use the column slide so that the quill is fully retracted and lock to prevent strain. i then use the quill for the last few mm only , on light cuts. Cheers Ade,

[@ernaniernani7232]

Thank you. Greetings from Brazil! Could you post a video about the preparation of this cutting tool? Thank you

[@drjwrg]

hi Ade it's stick slip on the face between the clock gauge quill and the block.

[@ade63dug]

yes , the demon stick slip . Cheers Ade.

[@incubatork]

First cut is the longest. What seams like a quick and easy operation often turns out to be longer than expected. Even when new those chinese mills/lathes leave a lot to be desired, time is money and with a bit of time i'm sure you will get it better than factory. When i got mine i spent hours, yes hours getting it setup to be reasonably accurate, tightening every nut and bolt and puting in missing screws(I found 6 in the bottom of the crate) and had to find a further 3.

[@EmmaRitson]

interested to see how you clamp the little grinder vice across the table. i am looking for ideas on that one.

[@woodscreekworkshop9939]

I need to make few of these too!

[@holmes230536]

When I clamp my vice or use clamps and blocks on the mill table I use small squares of thin cardboard or plastic sheet under the clamps, learned that from working on Jig boring machines,

[@clivewood2148]

Walter Maisey - I use thin sheet- brass squares, same principal, and well worth it if you like to look after your machines 👍

[@turningpoint6643]

@@clivewood2148 Soft copper pennies are also useful and I've used Walters cardboard trick many times. Paper/ cardboard is remarkably consistent for thickness and can even increase the holding friction. If you use soluble coolant at all it's worth using oil soaked paper under the whole vise base to stop it or the table from rusting.

[@andypandy9931]

I am on the lookout for a milling machine and your videos are very interesting. The machine you have seems very smooth and quiet, can I ask if it has a power feed for the table?

[@Jestey6]

It doesn't come with one, But for a few hundred I think you can get one. Or using a stepper motor to drive one of the wheels is a nice project. There's a lot of information on youtube about using an Arduino, driver and stepper motor. Ade did a video using a |DC motor to drive the lead screw on his lathe, low speed torque may be a problem though.

[@ade63dug]

Not yet , there is a bolt on system to fit it but i will build my own , Cheers Ade.

[@STEEVB51]

If your new on a lathe, - you shouldn't be bloody criticising !! The sad thing is, that, -- most of the people giving all this "advise" on how things should be done, are armchair machinists that have never even made a damn thing on a lathe ! Keep up the good work Ade - and keep doing what your doing !

[@numheed]

Hi Ade, what is the cutting bar n tip you have on your lathe. Cheers P

[@RagsdaleCreek]

Good job Adrian. Those locks are on the gibs if it were on other side they would scar up the dovetail. And why the adjustment is on opposite side is just bad design.

[@neiltibbs648]

Hi I have the GH universal very good machine for the money

[@billofalltrades1468]

I'm going to miss you doing that on the lathe! Hahaha looks like a good machine!

[@martinbrown2783]

Could you please let me know what make the vice is and where did you order it from.

[@pappys-tinkering]

Great tips on clamping to the table. Must watch the T-nuts though. T-nuts should never have threads all the way through. They can transmit power through and break the ways on the table, I've had it happen.

[@britishreaction54]

Very interesting. The 1 thou total sinusoidally varying lateral movement when you were clocking the vice in...could you reproduce this by pushing and pulling on the edge of the table? The reason I ask is because I'm wondering if the movement you saw could be due to your leadscrew not being straight.

[@paulmeynell8866]

How did you cut that block in half? Was it a trick , please explain it looked very useful

[@ade63dug]

just a trick and editing . fun though , Cheers Ade.

[@paulmeynell8866]

@@ade63dug well it certainly got people talking! I was trying to wrap my head around metal you could machine,that was brittle enough to cut like a brick! Great video thanks

[@stevecallachor]

Ade, I noticed some dropped stitches in the inside elbow of your sweater in the close-up scenes! Estephan

[@frankjames4573]

lol... Another trip to the charity shop soon... Maybe the next vid!

[@oldschoolengineer58]

looks like it could be grinding chatter in the parallel, might be worth checking the surface finish Ade?

[@ade63dug]

i had a look at that on the surface plate , it was a loose gib in the table , the force of my turning the hand wheel on the table . as it settles down i will be fine tuning the gib , Cheers Ade.

[@springwoodcottage4248]

When you talked of re-blackening the dial gauge holder what method would use use? Some kind of chemical prep as for example are used on firearms, or another method?

[@ade63dug]

yes a chemical process, i will show it again on my new milling vise clamps . i do it fairly often and get quite good results , Cheers Ade.

[@glenncpw]

Are these milling machine messy - I find milling aluminium I have snow from one end of the place to the other, and bloody hard to clean up - the vacuum cleaner.. Great video, never ever thought of the 123 block idea... I suppose the difference with a trained trades man and backyard fool.... I enjoy my self though...

[@basharalngar1567]

I am so happy When I see you become fine

[@ingDemurtas]

what do you used to clean the table? (to remove the original protective oil)

[@kevinjerome4925]

To tighten the longitudinal gib on the WM12 you must loosen the left screw and take up with the right - the taper gib tightens from right to left. Is your larger machine not the same? Really enjoy your videos. Kindest regards.

[@holmes230536]

Ade, are you sure your tramming is correct, I see the cutter is still removing material on the back end of a full pass that indicates to me the tramming is not correct, ideally, there should be a crosshatched pattern to the surface, but on the other hand, it could be flex of the Z column from the feed applied and the hatched pattern will appear on the returned spring pass, Edmund..........Alberta

[@jamiebuckley1769]

i see the opposite no chips on the back stroke and a very nice finnish.

[@holmes230536]

@@jamiebuckley1769 Jamie, when I first viewed the video it was on my cell phone what I saw at 42 mins into the video it gave an indication that a cut was continuing at the backend, I viewed it on the big screen today and I still think the same, as you mention nothing wrong with the finish, and in this particular application (vice clamps) it's not fussy, in my post I did indicate Ideally it should have a crosshatched pattern, Edmund.........Alberta

[@fpreston9527]

I would put a cover over your 240 power socket to keep any steel chips getting inside .

[@Petrolhead66]

Why the round bar in the vice against the work

[@ade63dug]

Good question . As the block is unknown for squareness and parallelism I put the best face against the rear fixed jaw of the vice. If the side of the part against the moving jaw is not parallel to this then the part may not sit flat against the rear jaw . by using the bar the part can rotate into alignment with the rear jaw and eliminating the issue. . Clear as mud I know but that is why . Hope this helps . Cheers Ade.

[@brc1ppy]

Why is the machine not bolted down? I bolted mine to the stand and the stand to the floor.

[@ade63dug]

This was very new at the time and I was trying to decide a final position for it on the bench . It is bolted to the bench now with 4 M12 bolts and the bench has been suitably reinforced to suit. the shed does rock a bit on the runners . I do not have the luxury of a concrete flor or workshop for that matter . Cheers Ade.

[@dass1333]

I am thinking of getting a vice like yours. The not a good vice that came with my not a real mill needs to be upgraded.

[@Johnholt73]

Hello Ade. I had the same wobble on mine. The gibs were in a dreadful state and rough like a bit of cast iron. I lapped the relevant sides and used a long thin shim. It got down to a thou. Still plan to improve it more when I build the power feed.

[@royboydanny1415]

Hi Ade. Is your milling machine bolted down ?. 👍🇬🇧

[@ade63dug]

Not yet . but very soon . still figuring out if i have it exactly where i want it . Cheers Ade.

[@j3xk72r9]

That belt drive is beautifully quiet. I missed how you cut that block in two, it looked like the bricklayers trick of cutting a brick with edge of a trowel. Could you please explain further?

[@markdavies8037]

Its a joke mate.

[@andybrock100]

Hi Ade, I’ve been following this series with interest as I’m considering getting a Warco WM14 with dro, I’ve only got a very small workshop, in your opinion as space is tight can a mill like the wm14 replace and do everything a pillar drill can?

[@mrc1539]

I don’t blame you for taking that guard off, I think a lot people have been hurt because of all the safety features that the safety nazis have forced on us . I think it’s people that have never used a machine and sit at a desk all day that come up with these ideas for guards and interlocks. A little common sense and experience goes a long ways to being safe. Thanks for the video .

[@kevsmith5363]

hi ade wonder if you can help ive just go a wm 16 and the drill chuck falls out every time i try and use a mill bit in it even though i cleaned it with alchol and it still falls out so how do you fit a collet chuck like i see on yours is a mt3 the manual says mt2 ? i want to use e25 collets dot see anything on warco that will do it any idears how to move forward regards kevin

[@ade63dug]

Drill chucks are not designed for milling . the side load will unseat the chuck from the arbour . get collets or a collet chuck for milling . Cheers Ade.

[@chillierdavro]

Nice mill I need to clean mine up now, I have a Seig mini mill with two vices that I converted to CNC or manual, I have made lots of parts and engraving. I learned Fusion360 amazing combination with LinuxCNC for the Mill controller I bought all the stepper motors and drivers, power supplies of amazon. Do you have plans to convert you mill into a CNC machine? message me if you need some help :)

[@choco107]

Are these tapered or parallel Gibs found on the mini mills ??

[@ade63dug]

proper tapered gibs , Cheers ade.

[@can5projects563]

hope you won't get any metal chips on that back electric plug......

[@ade63dug]

Indeed , a cover will be made, another thing on the to do list, Cheers Ade.

[@onetech3984]

thats not machinists vice looks like a toolmakers vice??

[@eddie1330]

Hi Ade Great videos I always look forward to a new one by the way Ade, I emailed you I hope its ok Eddie Harper Mid Glamorgan

[@ade63dug]

No worries Eddie , i will take a look , Cheers Ade.

[@justa1098]

My Warco mill has a crazy amount of play in the bed

[@ade63dug]

is it backlash or play in the gibs

[@justa1098]

@@ade63dug now your asking!! I'm new to mills. It wobbles from side to side when I wind it from one end to the other

[@ade63dug]

@@justa1098 it will be the gib that needs adjustment , loosen the screw on the one side and tighten the other end . do not over tighten it , just enough to remove the slack but still easy to move . you may have to play with it a bit to get it just right . when you have it make sure that the screws on both ends are just firm I hope this helps . Cheers Ade.

[@justa1098]

@@ade63dug very much appreciated!! Thank you

[@westers1514]

I spy a new Mill

[@grahamlongley8298]

No way would my WM16 do a cut like that. I would have an issue doing it with a 16mm milling cutter. The whole thing would dance around like a bally dancer, The control box would vibrate wildly. The column can be seen flexing. The milling machine is a load of carp. I really regret buying it it is s..t. It is bolted down really firmly to the floor I might add so it is not the way it is fixed that is the issue. I also stripped the plastic gear when i tried to use the shell mill taking 0.1mm cut. So I had to buy a new gear & ponce about fitting it.

[@rodbarker1017]

Sunshine it is only a matter of time before you take a chunk out the back of your left hand AND never leavr the chuck jey in the chuck even for a moment. You need some serious machine shop practices training

[@geoanth]

When I was an apprentice in the early 60's, when I left the key in the chuck you got a size 10 up the arse, 'you soon learned not to do it again.

[@ianide2480]

If I had a dollar for every injury I've seen because the "guy that has been doing this for decades" knew what he was doing. Well I'd have a good size hand-full of bills. You can know what you are doing and moving through those exact operations that you were doing here and have the smallest moment of inattentiveness while moving the next tooling item up, and smack it against the still spinning chuck... This doesn't mean you don't know what you are doing though. Hell I am not even a "safety nazi" but I know what I've done to my myself and what I've seen other people do. Simple stupid luck has saved some of the parts on my body and simple stupid luck has taken some away from people that I've worked with. Knowing what you are doing is a poor excuse/reason for not taking the time and it sends the wrong message to everyone. I said my bit, do with it what you will.