White vs Silver Beauty Dish - Which should you use?

[@aslanmatar]

Some of the most coherent videos I've seen so far on youtube. Concise, inspiring, clear content and no waffle.

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

Aw thank you for the nice words!

[@stephanyfaycohen3842]

Many thanks, Lindsay, for this video. GOD bless you.

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

Thank you for the kind words. Glad that you enjoyed it!

[@jasonwalton6311]

Probably the best explanation I’ve heard online thus far. Thanks for the info.

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

Wow, thanks! :)

[@Savage1776_]

As a general rule of thumb I usually use the white on the females and the silver on the men. Especially for men they want the harsh contrasty Black and Whites. And I definitely like the white on women because of the softness and the tendency to cover up small blemishes

[@deebea6364]

I picked up a silver Elinchrom 70cm Silver Beauty Dish! Your video was definitely one that influenced my decision... really love the look, and since getting it I have been really happy with it :)

[@deejay5493]

Thank you for clearing my confusion, Lindasy. The only thing lacking is a side-by-side of the silver beauty dish without and WITH a diffuser sock. :-)

[@josephchan4198]

Thanks for the classes. I will review other videos. Great work!!

[@ChelleyArn]

I prefer the silver! But i love this comparison. I already knew most if this but it was nice to see the comparison photos as I've never used a white beauty dish!

[@TomBridle]

Excellent video, explaining the concept and showing the differences very clearly!

[@ajjohnson9463]

I use a collapsable silver beauty dish. It is my go to light modifier for outdoors, like you said, because of the additional output from the silver interior. If I need a softer look, I just add diffusion. In the case of the collapsable, it actually has the option for 2 layers of diffusion, so I can soften the look even more. I find it so versatile and such a wonderful modifier for when I want punchy light.

[@rollerobson]

AJ Johnson which collapsable one do you have?

[@ajjohnson9463]

robin peer I have a 34” and 42” Glow brand silver collapsible beauty dishes from Adorama

[@rollerobson]

@Bradley C Price Hi there and many thanks for that tip, this beauty dish looks very professional, not easy to get in europe but i will try...

[@josephchan4198]

I have used two to four strobes mostly when I did Fashion Jewelry photos when sharing a model at an event. The last time I used a beauty dish is when you were teaching at an event a while back.

[@januarbudhidharma2091]

thank you for the lesson!

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

Thanks for watching!

[@bricelangston8634]

Nice video. Beauty dishes to me are a bit like your favorite meal, just can not have once. I have several beauty dishes. I find that I use silver to white almost equally, however it really depends on my business focus. I recommend to my clients to only use powder base foundation/makeup. I have encountered some unflattering hotspots with oil based makeup. The other thing that comes in handy is a boom arm. Beauty dishes are typically position above the head. Depending on you setup, a slide arm extension can work as well. Thank you for the video - great content.

[@josephchan4198]

Always look at your videos. Great information. Thanks.

[@bala1000mina]

Hi Lindsay, Thanks for the great comparison! I learnt a lot, God bless you!

[@davidcole8812]

Hi Lindsay, My beauty dish is Mola Settie 28 inch white. Depending on circumstances and intent I will sometimes use the white diffusion. Other times when wanting to increase contrast will add several strips of silver tape to the inside of the dish. Use Broncolor lamp heads that have some amount of in and out adjustment with the bulb but that seems to have a minor effect. Have at times placed a large diffusion panel in front of the beauty dish which gives me the control of where the hot spot on the diffusion panel will be....more control that if using a soft box which entire surface is lit evenly. What I have not yet used is a grid but I am thinking to soon get one.

[@wala11wala]

Very informative! This is what im looking for! great explanation! and u showed how u setup ur lights, thank u!

[@OlenaHerasymGreenStudio]

I use only white beauty dish, it is nice too know about all the differencies.

[@alainzamrini9723]

Thank you for this excellent video/tutorial. I have a silver beauty dish & now understand a lot better how to manage it after watching this. I will also be using the sock a lot more often, especially when I see really strong highlights on my subjects.

[@GabrielScindian]

Lindsay!!! BIG THANK YOU FOR SHARING!!! Thank you for all you do

[@fionarofl]

Thank you for including that diagram Lindsay. "those that can do, those that can't teach" -- you break this idiom because you can do both so well. Your photography is stunning, and you are a natural teacher and presenter. We are so lucky!!

[@domsphotography]

I’ve a 76cm silver beauty dish which I tend to use with a sock and grid on over the sock to get a more directional light.

[@mrg6424]

2:36 Masterful product placement! I gotta get that thing sometime this year!

[@chadwickerman]

Only if you are shooting film. If you are shooting digital it's better to go off of the histogram.

[@mrg6424]

@@chadwickerman I disagree. I know chimping is a popular thing these days, but I prefer the accuracy and speed that comes with a meter when setting my lighting ratios.

[@DelonYeoh]

I use a silver beauty dish to double the power when my AD200 could not get enough power if the sun is behind my subject and I need a darker sky. And the white diffuser indoors when I wanna have a little softer light.

[@Dave0000000815]

Try using ND-Filters

[@Charlie-tl4dv]

@@Dave0000000815 That won't increase the power of the key light. It will reduce the amount of light that reaches the sensor/film.

[@Dave0000000815]

@@Charlie-tl4dv It helps to get you out of HSS and therefore your flashes have more power. In HSS they do not use their full power. The fire multiple times during one exposure.

[@Charlie-tl4dv]

@@Dave0000000815 That is pretty interesting. I will have to give this a go. Thanks!

[@skillcubator1]

You are amazing Lindsay. I simply love all your KZbin videos.

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

Thank you so much!

[@eotceotc]

@@lindsayadlerphoto Can you do one white interior and one silver? Secondly is it better to have the file diffuser bigger than the key diffuser?

[@FBall-im8ui]

I use a white interior 45" beauty dish, modeled after the Mola for portrait work and I love it.

[@IanPack007]

Thanks for this Lindsay. I prefer a Elinchrom 44cm white beauty dish in the studio. On location I take a Elinchrom Portalite 56cm Octa which is originally silver lined, to which I'm added a custom-made white liner, giving me the best of both looks in compact pouch when collapsed.

[@Photoshopuzr]

Thank you, I use silver but I also want the smooth transition so will get me a white as well

[@henkwesterhuis4649]

I use always the silver beauty disc often with a sock or grid.

[@shaolin95]

Mola Setti...amazing

[@NIKONGUY1960]

I had an old POS one that I would paint white or silver, depending up what look I was going for. Not something I could do while on location, however. Kinda partial to the silver look, personally.

[@Molaleni]

I have both Profoto beauty dishes and I never realized the light fall off difference between them until this video. So cool

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

Yea I thought that was super interesting too!

[@Nicosalgadophotography]

I often used white beauty dish with grid 😀

[@tariqalshaghdali7587]

I am about to buy one and needed to know how much they differ. Great video Lindsay, thank you.

[@MelErcoli]

This video came just at the PERFECT time, im probably buying a beauty dish in a week and i didnt know *visually* how the white was different from the silver. Thank you for the video!!!

[@EddieMerino]

Glad it helped :-)

[@PurpleCow62]

Which one did you go with? How do you like it? I’m deciding between the two now!

[@martinboling2805]

I generally prefer white for the reasons you gave. I even like for umbrellas and soft boxes.

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

Yes, the right tool for the job depending on the job>:D

[@imacmartin]

@@lindsayadlerphoto Hey Lindsay. I have a lighting question. Shoe Fashion. I just got my first assignment of this type. How would you light shoes? This is to be casual looking with a model and only approximately ankle high.

[@melmagallon6233]

Looking to buy one now and this video answered my question perfectly!

[@KoealBraxtonPhotography]

I miss my beauty dish. Youre right, its definitely a go to modifier

[@sinitiib]

For the longest time a silver beautydish was my go to for most portrait shoots :)

[@parthaagt]

This video helps me a lot like your previous videos. Thank you very much, Lindsay Adler.

[@peter_shadow7559]

Silver for me. Thanks

[@citizenofcanandafrom8282]

Really good video I’ve watched 100’s trying to figure the simplest of questions out. Good job and thanks!

[@patyr6580]

Thanks for the explanation. I've always wanted to know the difference, searched online and in books but only got the answer here and today. Being a newbie to using light modifiers (stripboxes, octaboxes and beauty dishes) and not knowing what was more suitable to the kind of images I wanted to get, I got a silver beauty dish which produced brighter and harsh portraits that I disliked but I had no clue as to why. I'll dial it down 1 STOP from now on and put a sock over it.

[@sjv]

I think you may already know this, but your wording confused me a bit... if you add the sock, there's no need to reduce the flash power. You may find that moving the dish a little closer helps, too, since this will soften the transitions even more.

[@patyr6580]

@@sjv thanks for pointing it out, I meant OR instead of and.

[@Ctaylormakeup]

I was shooting with a silver beauty dish for about 4 years however, my coils broke and I could not find replacement parts. I just purchased a white beauty dish but do not like it as much. Maybe I haven't found my "sweet spot" yet? I am hoping once I use it more that I will develop a love for it. Sigh...we shall see!

[@laurapartain2147]

I switched from silver to white when I changed to Profoto gear a few years back, and I missed the silver terribly. I just ordered my silver one for my profoto lights!! I just love the harder light. So much more interesting to me, personally.

[@Ctaylormakeup]

@@laurapartain2147 I agree!

[@nilmasalek]

YOU ARE SIMPLY THE BEST 🙏🏻thank you thank you

[@robrunz]

Great stuff. I've got a beauty dish with a grid... great for carving light!

[@petemcknight803]

I was thinking the white would be more versatile and a honeycomb can always be added to increase contrast. Would you agree? And along those lines, would you be more inclined to use a 20 degree or a 40 degree honeycomb on a beauty dish.

[@hubey]

This is the best video on lighting I've ever seen. So enjoyable to watch and so much understanding conveyed. You're amazing! Thank you. Subscribed :-) To answer your question: I don't have a beauty dish yet but I want to get a white one. In your comparison images; using the white dish I noticed the way the light rendered detail, my eyes were drawn to the subjects eyes. And using the silver dish the detail rendered the whole face with detail, so I didn't look at the subjects eyes as much and found myself tracing her cheek bones and lips on repeat. So my take from this is that silver details the whole face which would be good for promoting make up or sensual/tactile imagery that's bodily focused. And white shapes the face's form nicely but doesn't render distracting detail, leaving the viewer to connect with the eyes of the subject more, which is more personable and a communication of spirit/personality/feelings for me. Well that's a first impression take anyway!

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

So glad that you enjoyed it! :)

[@rodcage1111]

great vid as usual, I only have a silver beauty dish at the moment and like the look of it, but plan on getting a white dish as well.

[@jenphotographs5566]

Good info as usual. I've been enjoying your tuts. Makes me want to explore portraits even though that's not my niche. 😃

[@artemisfowl9002]

i just love her work so much

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

Thank you so much!

[@MichaelWrightPhoto]

Great video. I used to have both. I liked the silver with a sock the best. However, just like you said, everyones skin couldn't handle the silver so the white got used more often.

[@MultiRinse]

I am actually buying a beautydish this friday! I am in doubt though of white or silver..

[@scothu]

Wait for next Friday. It might be on sale lol

[@MultiRinse]

@@scothu Thanks! I do life in the Netherlands and Black friday is here way less then in America. I am going to ask, I def need the beauty dish tomorrow, but the rest could wait

[@scothu]

@@MultiRinse only one time a year here :) but they do stretch out sales for a week usually

[@MultiRinse]

@@scothu I did end up buying both the Beautydish softlite white in 44cm and a 50 by 130cm stripsoftbox! If you want to see my work check it out on instagram.com/rinse_bommerson :)

[@MrHEPBO3AH]

Amazing video! How does silver+diffuser compare to white alone?

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

I'll have to test it!

[@brettida3936]

Great comparison! You don't see these compared that often. I use the white BD, but now after some experience using the white, I may have to check out the silver now as well! thanks!

[@EddieMerino]

Love working these amazing videos with you. Great Job!!!

[@bobbarford3730]

I generally prefer a white beauty dish for the softness and of the light that it produces. Though I can see with the right subject, a silver dish also has it's place,

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

Whenever I shoot something shiny that I want shinier :D

[@iunderstanphotography2780]

I bought a 27" white PCB beauty dish. I can't wait to use it, though I do want to get a sock for it

[@rafograph]

Great video. Thank you.

[@DuaneSPdL]

Great Information !!

[@theoldplovdiv]

Thanks Lindsay 😀

[@skiiizo]

Thank you very much Madame for the video... it is very helpful...

[@emilydowepa-c8975]

Love your videos

[@Excile00]

I literally learned everything about beauty photography from lindsay it only took a month to learn everything I cant believe I actually took the images I took You can find her courses on creative live

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

So glad I could help! :D

[@lecouriellecouriel2768]

Hello Mme, Very interresting video, thank you. When I look at time 4:09, the gorgeous highlights done by the modeling light and then the result at 4:12, very beautiful, I'm wondering how far (approx) the beauty dish was from the model ? In the description of the gear used, it seems it was a 20.5" beauty dish. So In your experience, how far can this size be placed to still have decent size highlights (to your taste) ? I'm new with this wondefull modifier. It's the first light modifier that makes me like highligths. Like really falling in love with them and understand how important they are (on portraits). Thanks a lot and keep on with the nice videos 😀😀

[@ashermendigorin]

White for most things but tend to use the silver when using gels.

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

oh yes that too!

[@exfoliage]

Lindsay, your hair is gorgeous.

[@manoharmgr8235]

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[@fabianalata4155]

thanks for the info. but I really wnated to know how aim the light with it.. put the blind spot in the middle.. or use it as specular light

[@sjv]

I think this is mostly a style choice, but it also depends on where you place the dish to begin with. For direct overhead, I prefer raking the light across the face so the spot just misses the front of the nose, leaving some of the light for a kick to a reflector below the model's face. In this setup, the dish is typically closer to the model than if you're setting up at 45 to the subject. For that setup, I like to move the dish further away to fill in the spot, so the dish is centered right in the middle of the subject's face. Do you have a preference for placement?

[@Charlie-tl4dv]

Thanks for the tips! One recommendation.... You should have both cameras close to each other and always look at the camera that is doing do close ups. Otherwise, it is too obvious that you are not talking to the camera/audience. :) Or if you prefer to separate them... look always to the camera that does the close ups. Thanks again!

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

Thanks for the tips!

[@Charlie-tl4dv]

@@lindsayadlerphoto No probs! I forgot to say too... to make the frame sizes having more difference (medium shot and close up)... if you prefer to don't have them together, have them at least 60 degrees difference. Otherwise, it would feel like a jump cut. :)

[@Bob4golf1]

I usually use a white beauty dish for portraits but have recently begun to add a ring flash (at reduced power) just to get that unique catch light in the eyes and it can fill in the shadows so you don't need a reflector - I rather like the results. Have you ever tried this?

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

sure have! Actually Chris Knight (my bf) uses this a lot. I just fine ring flashes a bit more difficult to work with since I am quite mobile. But the results are great! Instead I usually use an umbrella or beauty dish as fill.

[@replaylounge]

i love to create contrast... prefer silver beauty dish and umbralla...

[@jimbecarroll5780]

Hey Lindsay, great tutorial here, We met at PDN @ Javitz a few years ago. Are you going to be there this year ? Or better are they having it this year ? and also your brows are legendary ! a la Liz T.

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

There aren't any events this year unfortunately, everything has been canceled for in person and moved online for the most part.

[@kesselbrenner]

Great video Using a beauty dish with a grid and adding on top of it a diffuser, will cancel the grid effect or minimize it?

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

No it doesn't cancel it because the light is still being channels it through the grid, it just diffuses it, aka makes it softer.

[@kesselbrenner]

@@lindsayadlerphoto But diffusion is achieved because light hits in different angles or is it not?

[@bornforadventureie]

Great video, I want to buy a beauty dish, what size would you recommend me, thank you 😁

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

Depends. I typically use a 20.5''.

[@bornforadventureie]

@@lindsayadlerphoto Thank you so much.

[@veryberry-]

Would a silver dish with a white sock give the same results as a base white dish with or without a sock?

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

I believe there would be more output. I'd say to 99% of people they would look the same but are a bit different

[@Selfpowered]

Thanks Lindsay. Can you perceive any difference between a beauty dish with a sock and an octa of the same size? It seems like diffusing the dish would remove any difference since the front panel of diffusion is determining the light quality.

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

The beauty dish outputs more power and is more sepcular even with the sock.

[@AaronShaHome]

Great video. What is the difference between 16 inch and 28 inch beauty dish?

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

bigger is softer and more coverage of light

[@peteryvr3329]

thank for explaining :-)

[@lin89chat]

Hi, Lindsay. Using the white beauty dish you can earn the specular and constrat on postproduction. Is that possible?

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

It's a little harder because the specularity is mainly higher with the silver beauty dish. It depends on how it was lit, if you can increase the contrast, whites etc and 'fake it'. If that's what you mean.

[@dongordonphoto]

I love my profoto white beauty dish - I've used it with the Westcott eyelighter - great results! I noticed you're using a profoto light with a glass cover - is this a significant improvement?

[@JustZG]

Thank you for this video Lindsay! I have a question that i've been wondering for awhile...Just wanted to ask-- if i have a silver beauty dish and have a diffusion white sock over it-- will it essentially have the same look as a white beauty dish? (minus the loss of power from diffusion)

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

So, there are a couple of variables. If your diffusion sock is thick, then it will be pretty similar!

[@JustZG]

@@lindsayadlerphotoawesome thank you!

[@Calhandriz]

It is possible use a beauty dish with continuous light or just with flashes? Thank you very much.

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

Definitely with continuous light! I use it with Nanlite 300b all the time (Bowens mount)

[@PhotographyPX]

Lindsay, How are you lighting the filming of this video? Are you using a beauty dish as your main light? Or is the a 3 ft softbox? We're assuming theirs another gentle hair light camera left and one directly behind you to light the background. Are we going in the right direction with those guess?

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

Can't really recall it was a while ago. My video guy handles it.

[@PhotographyPX]

Lindsay Adler Photography got you. Thanks for taking the time to respond. Will pick your brain at WPPI ❤️

[@paolatorrent7838]

which is the best for taking senior portraits

[@darrylliningham4419]

Is there a difference between a hard and soft beauty dish

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

Not sure what the means. Silver is a bit harder than white. White is softer. White with diffusion is softest.

[@darrylliningham4419]

is there a difference between a collapsible and standard dish

[@RuthRodriguez-kr8cm]

Hi Lindsay; is 50cm your preferred size for a white beauty dish to use for portraits? do you also have/use 40cm and 70cm?

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

Yes that is my preferred size. I don't generally go much larger or smaller than that. If I need a tighter more focused light I use grids or zoom reflector/barebulb

[@rickoleary]

Hi Allison. Thank you and subscribed. I’d like to incorporate off camera flash into my outdoor animal photography. For example a closeup of a dog within a scenic landscape under strong sun. Would you recommend the white or silver beauty dish for this application?

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

Who's Allison?

[@kendra8207]

Where do you buy the metal stands for the lights

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

Any camera store sells light stands. I use Manfrotto.

[@hakeryk]

How size of the beauty dish impacts the effect? Is it better to have a bigger one like more than 40 cm?

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

A smaller one is going to be more focused like any modifier that is smaller. There might be more light fall off with a smaller one.

[@eringervais1746]

Can it be used with the D2? Thanks

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

Sure can. It's a beauty dish, so it can be used with pretty much any mono light.

[@yehia.l.refa3i.studio690]

What is your feedback regarding the new folding beauty dishes that folds like octaboxes? Have you tried it?

[@annettecollomb9270]

Thanks for showing the differences! I'm using a silver beauty dish not for any particular reason. It's producing more focussed light. But I also love the softness of the white one. I only wonder if size (45 vs 70) of the dish will make a big difference? What's your advice on this?

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

Absolutely! A larger dish will absolutely create softer light!

[@sveinskogen1789]

Ahem. I "carry" a 70cm white hard, 85cm white collapsible, 45 silver collapsible, 31 silver hard, 31 sunfire hard, and 65 and 85 "Multiboxes" (Collapsible softboxes with optional beautydish deflectors). Which one I use depends entirely on the usage. Am I shooting a full body shot or just the face and shoulders? What kind of skin? If I'm going for the 31cm, does the subject have warm or cold undertones in their skin? (The silver being very flattering on a cold "Nordic" kind of skin, while the sunfire one being as magical as golden-hour light on a warm undertone skin). Can I quantify my choices to make a simple rulebook for what to use? Not really. 99% of my modifier choices are based on intuitive leaps when I see the subject/subjects, room, "atmosphere", activities, whatnot. I just "know". And please don't ask me how. ;)

[@petertruong83]

silver is the best!

[@PhotographyPX]

Also, we noticed you have a Lav on. Which Lav microphone are you using? The audio captured here sounds absolutely fantastic, we need one of those.

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

Not really sure! My video guy handles all that.

[@scottlamers]

I have a white beauty dish, but have a can of spray paint and ready to make it silver.... Still deciding.

[@paulrobinson6548]

I’ve recently started to use a beauty dish for portraits. Lindsay, what would be the best strategy in terms of distance from beauty dish to subject? Is there an optimum distance for best results?

[@stianschlssermller2886]

The closer you get, the better. I you go far away, the beauty dish will act more as a softbox.

[@MattFittPhoto]

Here's a representative sample from Lindsay Adler's invaluable "Creative Studio Lighting Guide" (pg 48) LIGHT 1 (Beauty Dish) Distance from subject: 22 inches Distance off center: 7 inches (to the right) Height above eye level: 13 inches Power (Fstops): F/8

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

The closer the beauty dish the softer the light. :D

[@mtcreate9944]

very nice video

[@JimKilgo]

Hi Lindsay, Thanks for the explanation between the white and silver beauty dishes. I always love your videos! One question, have you used the collapsible beauty dishes and if so how do they compare to the metal ones? I have the Profoto OCF Beauty Dish (White, 24") that I use with my B1 and I have been thinking about getting a metal one. But, if there really is not much difference I would rather not spend the money for one (or spend it on something else...LOL) could you comment on this or better yet do a comparison video between the two. Thanks for what you do! ~ Jim

[@lindsayadlerphoto]

I mean, I definitely prefer the hard one because I still think the shadows have more pop/contrast. But of course it is not portable at ALL. So its a trade off for sure.