Adorea longsword fight duel

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Video by Špetla Film
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Fight choreography - Martin Tureček
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Music by Ross Budgen
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Location: Tvrz Kurovice www.kurovice.info
Starring: Jaroslav Píša and Martin Tureček
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[@AdoreaOlomouc]

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[@squamish4244]

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[@AdoreaOlomouc]

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[@lll9107]

@@squamish4244 I also use firefox, I am not seeing any errors/warnings. Checked on Chrome too, no problems.

[@squamish4244]

@@lll9107 Good to know, thanks.

[@sherwinuy6111]

Hello, I am currently purchasing a sword from the same maker of the swords used in this video, Pavel Moc. May I ask, how did the swords handle?

[@Immortal_Fish]

"Historical accurate sword fighting wouldn't look cool in movies" Guess again, kid

[@eliaswewel3899]

Whilst the fight isn't 100% realistic (it was unusual for duels where neither party wore armor to last even 20 seconds) the stances and the techniques used are still real, and they are using the swords competently. This proves that only a little exaggeration can get you really far.

[@lightmetro7508]

@Allison Kaas ok troll

[@steirqwe7956]

​@@eliaswewel3899 Its pretty realistic aside how quickly both of them recover from falls and being thrown. Its hard to adequately read the situation and act accordingly the very second you hit the ground unless you have a script. Other than that is quite good, i personally like the extensive and what important totally correct use of long guards.

[@CommodoreChauncy]

@Allison Kaas Sounds like shit taste to me.

[@d4n4nable]

@@steirqwe7956 If you know a bit of judo or wrestling, you're gonna be good at recovering from falls. And they both appeared to be competent wrestlers.

[@tonyoliver2167]

Sadly I've got friends who say that realistic sword fights in film wouldn't be as entertaining. Even sadder, is that they have no obvious knowledge on how cool these arts were

[@appleyanimator6541]

I have the same problem; they think it's not as interesting as two idiots screaming at eachother and rushing in, fully telegraphing, swinging like children. Plus, I might have put them off, as I am fairly decent at HEMA, and always jump a the opportunity to talk about it

[@howdoyoudo5949]

@Allison Kaas How?

[@howdoyoudo5949]

@Allison Kaas In what? Fight scenes that use actual swordplay or what?

[@sebastianmunklaursen2686]

@@howdoyoudo5949 I think this Allison guy is a troll he comments this on almost all comments, and he provides no actual arguments. I must say he is partly right this fight isn't completely realistic far from (real fights didn't last nearly as long), but it is so much better than a lot of movies

[@SantomPh]

fencing can take a good long while ala Zorro but an actual swordfight between two people would not take that long given how lethal the weapon is

[@zwei-zylinder]

I feel like I've underestimated the pace of sword fights in general...

[@nalyddoow9295]

@This Dude It depends on the people, duel, and weapons being used, it could've gone for longer or a lot shorter.

[@davidbolton4930]

@This Dude they can last longer if their even in skill

[@jerrymartin7019]

Haha sword go whooshy whooshy

[@Travlr013]

sometimes it's over in seconds, sometimes it takes a few minutes. Sometimes it's faster than you can blink, other times it's slow, plodding methodical inch-by-inch movements. that's why it's so much fun; you never know which until you unsheath and engage.

[@cloudstrife3083]

With armor it can take way longer

[@tomaspabon2484]

Not enough people are talking about the pugilism, throws, takedowns and reversals shown. They're literally textbook, straight out of the manuals. Very well researched

[@AleskyMaxomovishPeshkov]

What is that move in 1:10 or 1:11? Do you know what it is called? Is it in the original manuscripts?

[@squamish4244]

@@AleskyMaxomovishPeshkov These guys don't do anything that they didn't do back in the day. But I don't know what it's called.

[@AleskyMaxomovishPeshkov]

@@squamish4244 I heard there wasn’t ground defense in HEMA that basically once your on the ground and on your back your screwed. I heard the only ground techniques in HEMA are pins

[@squamish4244]

@@AleskyMaxomovishPeshkov From Scholagladiatoria or some related channel?

[@AleskyMaxomovishPeshkov]

@@squamish4244 no from an article about HEMA online

[@mrshmrsh5073]

"You can't make an entertaining sword fight realistic!" Take note Hollywood.

[@17MrLeon]

this is choreographed. not improvised.

[@Devil-tm4nu]

Jiří Dušek Although the fight is done using real historical fighting techniques. Something that Hollywood never really does.

[@17MrLeon]

Thats true. that is beyond argument.

[@wannabeserpento99]

How is this realistic?

[@kowalikus7581]

@@wannabeserpento99 all techniques in this fight are real.

[@CoffeeSnep]

One thing I really enjoy about this fight in particular is the subtle fact that both fighters know they could die. In most media, sword fights are typically conducted with both parties having no fear. In this, they frequently retreat, hesitate, or halt altogether when the situation becomes a gamble. Even when one is thrown onto the ground, the other is hesitant to rush in not because it's a bad idea, but because they fear death. Also, this film does a good job of showing how not all duels have to be fatal.

[@lucianlihaciu1916]

A real duel takes about 5 seconds,three moves,and you don't trow each other around like you are rag dolls

[@helium-379]

@@lucianlihaciu1916 not exactly. Depends on the people and situation. People dont go down easily with one stab or strike unless its fatal. Most duels tend to be first blood duels. A wound would easily get infected and you would be likely to die after a duel if not treated soon. Also there are no rules when engaging another person. You can use your hands and feet as weapons. Also the reason they shove eachother down is to get the enemy off balance and get them on the ground.

[@justrobin8155]

Yeah. People duel to first blood not only because they want to not die, but probably also because very few people actually want to finish a downed opponent when a fight is about "honor." He lost. He knows it. It's settled. Now you can both just walk away.

[@randomnerd9088]

@@justrobin8155 It's likely that many of the cuts made wouldn't or even didn't breach the skin, a sword has to be EXTREMELY sharp to cut through even padded wool jerkins and the like. See kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHzVhnagoLWtfNE

[@FalconWindblader]

@@lucianlihaciu1916 If it's with knives, yes. cuz at that kinda range & where decisive moves are usually stabs, it's killed or be killed within seconds. with longer weapons, especially polearms, where pacing is slower & people don't need to just rush at their opponents, things don't necessarily go down that fast...

[@kevincrady2831]

Just wanna throw in some appreciation for the stunt quality in this fight. These guys are doing throws, falls, and rolls on a stone floor, and going at it with those swords like they actually want to hit each other, instead of just clang their blades. That shot where the guy gets the head cut looks quite real, and like it would have been dangerous to do even as choreography. The acting is also top notch, especially since these aren't professional movie stars (yet).

[@Pugtail]

Lol...

[@gunengineering1338]

Professional movie stars generally have nothing on these guys.

[@tommorrison1414]

You can see the belligerant fencer with the long hair start out enraged and reckless, then quickly see the rage dissolve into fear as he realises he's not dominating the fight. His opponent remains calm and measured throughout. Likewise the reckless fencer quickly exhausts himself while his opponent controls his energy. Finally, the more skilled fighter wins in hand-to-hand combat and ends up holding his reckless opponent at longpoint, but he's so assured of his superior skill that he tosses his enemy his weapon again, just to quickly disarm and defeat him again while sparing his life.

[@twitchydom8689]

This is proof that you can have realistic choreographed fight scenes that are still amazing

[@Likexner]

MORE amazing

[@zealot360]

Damn dude, Jack Black really gotta work on his technique

[@unusualbydefault]

lol thank you, thought about JB too

[@dunedain3425]

Jablinski playing for honor

[@LewdDawg]

@@dunedain3425 but his codpiece is sweet

[@nixxthebiggz3272]

He is more like Jack Grey

[@wren7195]

@@nixxthebiggz3272 Personally I thought it was Peter Jackson. But it was Jack Black's Kung Fu training that threw his timing off

[@CidGuerreiro1234]

Holy crap, you guys made realistic swordplay look much cooler than the unrealistic shit we usually see in the movies. Good job to everyone involved!

[@WhyName]

Thats because realistic swordplay IS cooler, it's just extremely hard to pull off. (Also you can't have exposition dialogue over it :P)

[@spook233]

Well, you could have a particularly expressive exchange, and as they're catching their breaths, dialogue ensues.

[@WhyName]

As I said though, it's really hard to pull off, so you will need doubles, which makes it a bit more awkward still. Actually, theres probably not even that many people who could pull this off properly, and theres no reason producers to push for this, it's not like the mainstream is fed up with hollywood sword fighting.

[@lookingthat3855]

Many Hollywood Director are not considering what is happening on web, that is, some supertalented Filmmaker are eating any quality difference. Think about Neumann film, Ben Brown and Yuri Palma (the latest is 17!!), and make a comparison with some shot production...

[@brunojesusguilperez8407]

I don´t think so: I would argue that doing the ankward stuff actors and stuntmen do in actual films IS the same or even MORE complex than this. And you know, smart camera working and practical effects can make a dairly bad ejecution look very good. So I think the problem with films is the same as ever: they (as in "the film industry) thinks that the people who watch their films are severely incapacitated in theirs brains. And they are SO wrong...

[@ScowlCzumly]

I've watched this several hundred times by now, and I've literally just noticed that the brown clad fencer is fighting LEFT HANDED. That changes the level of choreography needed so absurdly much, so you guys deserve even more acknowledgement!

[@azrani2023]

Oh my god thank you for mentioning because I was so intrigued I didn't even notice haha

[@Uajd-hb1qs]

I love this purely for the fact it’s the first sword fight choreography that’s featured half-swording I’ve seen. Guess Hollywood seems to think you can cut your hand off if you so much as lay a sword on it…

[@etherealsoul9386]

To them you can cut armor, so I guess swords are just that sharp to them

[@Uajd-hb1qs]

@@etherealsoul9386 Good point.

[@dustinakadustin]

Half swording as a concept is pretty insane if you don't know a whole lot about sword fighting, which is most people.

[@luizguilhermecortez3460]

To be fair, I get it. Even me, who knows that its a totally viable technique, somewhat doubt how useful it is. Like, you are one smack away from cutting your hand (Obviously you dont parry with it, but its still fight, so...)

[@CypherofShadows]

@@luizguilhermecortez3460 Important to remember that you would often be wearing thick leather gloves or even gauntlets that would help prevent that from happening, and in the case that you're not there are several ways you can hold the blade to help keep the edge off your fingers/palm.

[@CiastoToKlamstwo]

Movie concept: John Wick, but late medieval/early renaissance Movie directors, feel free to steal this idea

[@chaoticneutral7528]

Oh my god. Would he use a longsword or a broomstick?😂

[@ST0AT]

@@chaoticneutral7528 a chandelier

[@NM-br1rb]

A quill. A. FUCKING. QUILL.

[@Krezmick]

*Straps on 20 loaded flintlock pistols to himself*

[@theKATofficial2]

@@Krezmick we said medieval. There was no pistols.

[@MrJustonemorevoice]

"But Europe didn't have any martial arts!" But seriously, this is gorgeous cinematography and choreography.

[@lred1383]

Does anyone outside of strawman world actually claim that?

[@jaegercat6702]

LRed13 Not those exact words but it boils down to them believing that European fighting was just brute force.

[@conormccue2871]

@@jaegercat6702 Has anyone mocked the shit out of those people, since clearly their heroic "technical" fighters, through every culture, lost when the Euroman came through and fought with ogrish force and titanic stupidity? We outfought, outthought, and outfucked the people of antiquity. The cries of "brute force" today are mostly derived from self loathing and bitter lots who want to think they had a fighting form superior to that of those who conquered them.

[@cardboardbox191]

@@conormccue2871 I don't know enough to talk about before gun powered was popular but the zulu's where probably better warriors than the red coats what's probably part of the reason the red coats took a soldiers approach. I think we did the same in alot of places.

[@cardboardbox191]

@phoenixkhost In part if I remember correctly the celts weren't a unified force the romans could and did ally with some British (I'm not if you could use celt and brit interchangeable at the time) tribes and fight with other ones. I doubt I could give a simple answer or really that I'd know the full story. On subject it would be superior equipment and better use of shield walls. My point being someone could argue yes my ancestors got there arses kicked and they where superior martial artist to the european armies.

[@BorderWise12]

Best 1v1 fight scene I've seen in years. I love how this whole scene, with absolutely no dialogue, hints at an utterly epic story just out of camera shot. Perhaps the gray-haired man, his dueling days coming to a close, desperately wants one last fight to regain what honour he has left or go out fighting. Or perhaps his opponent wronged him somehow, and this is the climax of a story of political and social intrigue. Who knows? Make of it what you will.

[@ShizoMoses]

Yeah man, right on! Couldn't have put it better.

[@FerretCuddles]

Stick to your fanfiction, loser.

[@jamescheddar4896]

medieval jack black put a baby in his daughter and refused to wed her

[@MazorKuziaki]

I took the younger opponent as a guard. Someone in the way of the older man, the protagonist's, goal.

[@sigmanation6957]

There's a caveat in this video that I can't seem to find any conversation about here. at 0:55 , the bearded guy takes a hit to the torso and isn't immediately cut in two or otherwise disabled. His gambeson is shown as being functional.

[@NevTheDeranged]

To me it looked less like a draw and more like he just got his ribs smashed real good- even without a blade, getting whacked with a couple feet of steel has to hurt like a mofo.

[@theredneckdrummerco.6748]

YOUR SO RIGHT. I missed that completely

[@doomyboi]

Simulating a strike with poor edge alignment on top of a functioning gambeson, perhaps?

[@thelonerider9693]

Functional but -- too functional? I would have expected a cut in the fabric at least. Perhaps the only potential point of criticism in an otherwise excellently done fight. And I might be wrong. Perhaps the edge alignment was off. Perhaps gambeson WAS that protective. A lot probably depends on how the blow landed.

[@kevincrady2831]

@@thelonerider9693 But the cool thing is, that's a much smaller nit to pick than "Wields longsword like it weighs 50 pounds--cuts like a lightsaber" as we usually see in Hollywood swordfights. You know it's a good swordfight when someone who knows what "edge alignment" is can still enjoy it. :)

[@blackops2960]

when your weaboo friend says europeans didnt know how to fight with swords.. show them this.

[@yoursexualizedgrandparents6929]

Why are you friends with a weeaboo?

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

Or just give them a history book. The Europeans and the Japanese were by far the most advanced in their fighting art.

[@2ndt2nd44]

Weebs can have friends?

[@007turtle1239]

This is like them showing you Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to show you how good japanese martial arts are. This isn't H.E.M.A. by any means, it's the same choreographed bullshit that leads to people thinking Japanese swordsmanship is so much better. Not that your friend actually thinks that, as much as there's a myth that Japanese swordsmanship outclasses European swordsmanship, there's a myth that there's many people who think that.

[@jayferguson9968]

Not just swords, either.

[@Capybara_Swordsman]

One of my theater/film friends said to me the other day, "people don't care if sword fights are realistic. They want flashy, easy to follow, and gritty; they don't care if it looks real, because they don't know what a real sword fight actually looks like between two good fencers." In response, I showed him this, and now he wants me to help coordinate the fight in his student film, using HEMA techniques. I take that as a sign that, if you show someone good fencing, they'll see the value it has on camera.

[@gwennblei]

You should definitely share the student film when it's done ^^

[@futuregreatestpresidentale1221]

Learning about HEMA spoiled movie sword fights for me. Vast majority of them look ridiculous now. If enough people knew how sword fights actually look, that crap they show in Hollywood films wouldn't cut it anymore. But that probably won't happen anytime soon.

[@Ranziel1]

Well, this is flashy, easy to follow and gritty, except with historic techniques and good feeling of distance and timing. This still isn't "real" and you wouldn't want it in a film. Look at the tournaments, they're a shoozefest to watch by comparison, and real fencing would be like that, except slower, because people would be afraid to close in.

[@Pedantic_Brit]

Ranziel1 yeah it's flashy and easy to follow and far longer than an actual fight would be, but the actual techniques in there alongside the choreography just gives the fight a more brutal and authentic feel than typical movie sword fights can achieve. I'm fine with over the top and flashy, I mean it's a movie it's just meant to be entertainment. But throw in some actual techniques rather than twirls and pirouettes and movie fights could be fucking amazing like this.

[@juanpablogonzalez8528]

THIS, having actual techniques also helps a lot to build the characters, showing they know what they are doing and everything just feels more real

[@arandomzoomer4837]

God, it just goes to show that "realistic" doesn't mean boring. Realism makes things feel more brutal and real, and the attention to detail of real technique makes it more relatable

[@shuadubya5709]

They reconciled their differences when a smelly guy with a katana walked in.

[@grainherstal1912]

Oh really ?

[@marc9356]

He wouldn't last a second, even against only one of them

[@bizybliztaverage9414]

One of them pull a flintlock and absolutely murder the before stabbing the guy in his special part

[@meris8486]

impressive swordfight gu-OH MY GOD LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT CODPIECE

[@MrJustonemorevoice]

Historically accurate

[@itchykami]

That's not a codpiece, that's dick gambeson.

[@LuckyRabbit234]

Hey, when you’re fighting to the death, ya wanna protect your jewels at all costs.

[@kyle0756]

Are you kidding me? Didn't you feel the sexual tension in each swing?

[@skystorm569]

Hahaha I can't unsee it

[@jj-hb8rq]

And you see that Hollywood, the swords are bendy and move about, they're not just ridged boards of wood

[@pwnorbepwned]

Y’all’re both dumb af

[@goran77ish]

Replicas of movie swords are quite thick. That gives people impression that swords are heavy and should be used as maces.

[@Hadras7094]

@@goran77ish Ikr? People think that swords were unliftable bars of metal with little thought on their desing made to be swung like a baseball bat.

[@sacwingedbatsatadbitsad4346]

@@JoshuaNevin-ts3ep These are not prop swords, any decent steel fencing sword is just a proper sword with reinforced dull edges and a blunt point. If anything, fencing swords are more rigid than sharp swords. The plastic stuff is much more rigid as well. Of course, there's room for heat-treating a sword to be more rigid or more flexible depending on what you want to use it for.

[@JustYTWatching]

There's nothing cool about watching a sword bend.. People rather think "oh this sword is so powerful so of course it doesn't move". They know what's aesthetically pleasing to most people and actual "realism" is very rarely ever cool in any regard. Stop being pretentious over something we can't truly replicate, unless the fight is actually to the death with no restrictions then it isn't realistic

[@Rufus6540]

And that was the last time Dave took someone else's soda from the company fridge...

[@zamirewilson7424]

😅😅😅

[@notfeedynotlazy]

I like how when the second fighter angrily enters the room, he seems to consider "I've drawn in front of you and dramatically thrown my scabbard to the side" as "enough formalities".

[@fathanalazka5386]

*game of thrones has left the chat*

[@LokiPii]

LMAOOOOOO

[@danieladamczyk4024]

They never entered it.

[@dragonsamurai559]

Yeah whoever choreographed that was close to the levels of the last Jedi's choreography

[@grantparker5670]

@@dragonsamurai559 Lightsabers swung at each other like they were baseball bats. Hell that was awful.

[@dragonsamurai559]

@@grantparker5670 Game of thrones Masters of the sword used their swords like sloths swinging lead clubs

[@DIGITALGH05T]

and ppl think long swords are too heavy to swing around like that XD thanks hollywood

[@Crystalgate]

Don't forget to thank videogames as well.

[@Lewt_2B]

brandon zhang thats why you carry it in 2 hands ;)

[@cadethumann8605]

Don't blame Hollywood. It is just a place where various people gather to make movies. Since various people work there, various things can happen in movies. It's not like there is this one boss at Hollywood who controls and dictates films. Hell, there are many filmmakers that strive to have their films be realistic. What you CAN blame are the filmmakers who use this ideology. Blaming studios can also be acceptable as they have can have authority over a movie.

[@DIGITALGH05T]

Cade Thumann idk man, i mean if they did research, contacted several historians, looked at manuscripts, looked at HEMA channels, they probably coulda done better (and not started or reinforced the idea of a 2 handed sword being some almost unwieldable sharp piece of metal that can cut through armor)

[@cadethumann8605]

brandon zhang I was referring to filmmakers other than ones working on swordplay (Drama or other genres and/or methods in conveying a genre such as bare-handed fights). My point was that you shouldn't blame filmmakers altogether nor should you blame a place that just helps provide resources for various filmmakers to make movies. Also, many filmmakers do not care for accuracy in terms of fight choreography. Reasons can vary such as that sometimes they want to express their imagination with their choteography, wanting to tell the story a certain way, or that they just want the fight scene to advance the story. Also, choreographing a fight scene is not easy. While I have no qualms pointing out innacuracies and/or problems, it does irritate me when people get all condescending and scoff at the hard work the filmmakers put into, such as them "bullshit". It's one thing to point out mistakes but to be mean about it? I honestly don't blame filmmakers not wanting to cooperate with these people.

[@AristeidisKypriotis]

If anyone ever tells you that historically accurate realistic sword fighting would not look good in a film you show him this. Amazing work

[@zM00Nx]

Good to see that this comment section has brought together some of the most talented swordsmen and brilliant historians of our time.

[@amanshukla8758]

Lmfao bruh

[@dirkauditore8413]

Lololol

[@uncletiggermclaren7592]

Also some skilled in that most trivial art, sarcasm. Those who can, do, those who can't, carp.

[@AndrewDMurray84]

@@uncletiggermclaren7592 He speaks the truth, though. Depending on what people are watching, a lot more so called "experts" show up in online comment sections.

[@Klocks420]

Hahahaha

[@torcrawley6882]

see why can't films handle this, realistic and actualy immensely tense and entertaining

[@DaveandhisDeathbeanie]

My thoughts exactly.

[@Crystalgate]

This is way harder to make than the Hollywood "attack the opponent's weapon" method of fighting. That said, with some luck at least some movies try something like this. The more HEMA practitioners that make it into the movie industry, the easier a scene like this will be to pull of.

[@fus132]

Fiction of what? Of people not being able to develop a sword fighting technique?

[@RealistRatRace]

side winder This fight is kinda unrealistic. No one would be fighting like this if it's life and death situation. Maybe in a different situation like an actual war with Spears and arrow you would want to act in a quick matter but in 1 v 1 you have to be smart.

[@zeddy2284]

@Jadandlud ^

[@Paperminte]

Maybe it was just me, but the fact that you used historical stances, techniques, all that jazz made this 10x more exciting and cooler to watch. That was absolutely incredible. I want more of this PLEASE

[@VincentVanZigel]

Brought here by Shadiversity. This duel is absolutely gorgeous and very entertaining. The blow at 1:38 is mighty vicious! I hope the actor is alright!

[@BossDoogles]

This fight scene should be a mandatory watch for anyone who ever thinks about choreographing a sword fight. What truly sells this as a real fight is how much the fighters move around the field. Not to mention how much they probably saved with not having to buy fake sweat.

[@bla2030]

Tell me again about "boring HEMA fights". They said if Hollywood did HEMA in movie fights, it would be boring... lol. THIS IS IT! This is how fights should have been in movies!

[@MrKolsyrad]

This isn't a HEMA fight. It's still an overly dramatic heavily choreographed fictional fight. HEMA does look incredibly boring to watch to most people.

[@RandomAllen]

....Then most people are idiots. Over dramatic? Besides the grunting, This is a Hema fight, you can literally pick out the techniques one by one and almost everyone in the Hema community who has seen this has agreed that this representative of what a actual unarmed sword duel using Hema techniques would look like. It has to be choerographed but every technique they show is practical and preformed accurately, if you can't see that then you obviously don't know much about Hema beyond a surface level glance, what it is and what this is!

[@ZemplinTemplar]

Agreed. It's an excellent "proof of concept" short film. Instructional, as well as cliché-busting.

[@nutyyyy]

Yes, it is dramatic, its a movie fight, however we can see authentic technique, which is the key part, its not about full on realism, its about authenticity. Most duels wouldn't last nearly this long, but its for the sake of drama, not 100% realism, otherwise they would just have a duel on camera.

[@Caradepato]

Heck, I recognise some of them from "Fior di Battaglia".

[@robinmarks4771]

That counter zwerch at 1:37. Magnificent!

[@robertsprankle6127]

Green pants was asking for that, attacking that guard against a lefty.

[@gabrielegenota1480]

1:53 Is that an extra pommel or are you just happy to see me ;)

[@mikesrandomchannel]

I like the sense that these guys are used to fighting per se and not just fencing about with swords. If you have a sword, it's a great tool. If you lose it, punch the guy in the face and keep going.

[@jonwassing]

I LOVE the grapples. A lot of people don't get how much grabbing and grappling takes place in sword fighting. There's too much twirly stuff in swordplay and sword choreography these days.

[@thedarkmaster4747]

why would you grab with a long sword when you can just stab, esspecially 1 on 1 when there is no need to?

[@dreshkkialveras3596]

because its necessary if you close distance or if your opponent does the "just stick em with the pointy end" isn't exactly easy ya know.

[@mr.bluefox3511]

For me i like how they did used Half-Swording in the fight, the Long-sword is ... "Long" and sometimes the 2 opponent get too close to each other, so they will use Half-Sword technics ( basically use 1 hand to grappled the Blade, or 2 hands and use it more like a Short Spear, u will have more control over the weapon & more technics like counter-atk, disarming, grapple but more effective & more suprire than more standard technics, i think )

[@thedarkmaster4747]

Grenherb Very true, but they weren't wearing any. Or not any that would stop a sword or offset thus influence their effective weight.

[@michaelsauls1142]

@@thedarkmaster4747 they would use grappling because in the bind the it's a good way to bring down the other guys defenses. I can't tell you how many times my hema coach simply grabbed the other guys hand in a bind so he could cut the other in the head or throat. It would be extremely important for swordsman to be proficient at both techniques.

[@sirVhailor]

See, this actually looks like two men fighting. I like this.

[@dalenownac5312]

Not really. Attacks are very clearly aimed at the blade instead of the wielder, and are equally clearly choreographed (albeit gorgeously).

[@elasolezito]

That's the point. It's still a choreography, but it's based on actual techniques. Way above Game of Thrones.

[@lkvideos7181]

+Dale Nownac Dude .... realy ? ofc they won't try to *actualy* cut and kill eachother. I thought that would of been kinda obvious to even a toddler ..... In any case, they are using actual techniques, which is virtualy non-existent in movies, except to certain degree in historical Eastern European movies.

[@seant7562]

@@dalenownac5312 I would say that the choreography at least hides it better.

[@avruvimtu2204]

@@elasolezito GOT doesn't have to *definitely* include European swordmanship techniques, and the HEMA techniques aren't actually in fact categorically indicated "better" and GOT fictional swordmaship as inferior and less better, it's truly in fact literally two completely unrelated frames of comparison and th most illogical comparison of yours. GOT is set in a fictional setting where the setting isn't entirerly based on medieval historical accuracies as it contains goblins, white walkers and mystical entities and Ned Stark's battle with Arthur Dayne was actually a magnificent spectacle. The armour doesn't actually represent medieval full-plate as well since the GOT full-plate is incredibly slow and the historical medieval plate wasn't that plastic-looking and wasn't slow at all barely weighting more than a few grams and didn't really restrict any movements.

[@4hedgesfamily]

Watching this, I WISH I could move my longsword that fast. Studying their techniques, I learned that longsword fighting is mostly done with the hands and wrists, not the huge arm strokes we see in most movies. I'm definitely saving this to watch again. And again. And again. In slow motion. It was excellent!!

[@Likexner]

Imagine fights like this in movies. Combined with a good story, it would be amazing!

[@LadyOpenshaw]

I'd LOVE to see this type of swordfight in movies! It's way more entertaining, brutal and looks genuinely exhausting.

[@Rasmus1603]

PROOF that historically accurate swordplay can look awesome as hell too

[@evanlucas8914]

There's your proof, with the right camera work and wel trained actors you can do a very intense and historically consistent swordfight.

[@wojak-sensei6424]

Me: Can I go to the bathroom? Teacher: What were you doing in the entire lunch period anyway? Me and the boys at lunch period:

[@AcademyofHistoricalFencing]

Great work guys! I'd love to see this kind of thing introduced in mainstream Movies and television. Makes Game of Thrones fight scenes look like Children's theatre.

[@hegemon6749]

Academy of Historical Fencing Oberyn Martell vs Mountain fight was a children’s theatre , srly ?

[@Daniel-lg8yo]

Yes lol, it was slow and stupid as hell

[@hegemon6749]

dan boi what can I say ... Every one have his own opinion :D

[@joshuaspector8182]

Most of those fights, from a swordmanship perspective, are pretty awful. And there's one scene where brienne and pod get attacked and pod is fighting some dude where it looks like when two little kids swing sticks at each other's, well, sicks. but that being said, the oberyn vs mountain fight was actually pretty good and one of the better fights.

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[@velikiradojica]

Poor Jack Black.

[@00Trademark00]

He lost some weight though. Probably all the fighting.

[@nocturnalrecluse1216]

@@00Trademark00 That's not Jack Black

[@username-yc3bd]

@@nocturnalrecluse1216 no shit

[@d-emprahexpects849]

This has to be on the top 100 videos on youtube

[@redsol3629]

There is a ferocity in more realistic swordfights that most cinema is lacking.

[@Kesbomb95]

The part where when we was on the floor, and the other guy didn't swing from way above his head down onto him, but he half-sworded and went for the kill. I love it.

[@funguz]

Me and my brother after finding 2 cool sticks in the forest.

[@KohlartheUnkilled]

Indeed! Here's to that-

[@vast634]

Professional fighters where good in any part of the world, at any time. Because their life depended on it. They all knew how to use their equipment. Matching them up with someone of a different time or region would not be a fair comparison. Pairing up a Spartan warrior against a 15th century knight would not be a fair comparison due to the technological difference.

[@Black-fz6mr]

Me a stick and a tree

[@thepizzafoogle5481]

@@vast634 Well, it doesnt just depend on different equipment, it's more to do with skill. A Spartan could beat a knight if he was skillful enough.

[@vast634]

@@thepizzafoogle5481 Spartan warriors where not more "skilled" than medieval knights. Maybe in pop culture movies. Knights grew up in rich families (good nutrition) and had intense combat training since they where young. And the equipment of knights , especially plate-armor, was technically much more advanced than what the Spartans had. A spartan beating a medieval knight in a 1v1 would need a huge portion of luck.

[@patrickbasin9389]

You know why this is so entertaining? Excellent camera work and choreography.

[@wolfpacksix]

Excellent fight choreography. Even with blunt blades, you can still make lethal mistakes. Great video.

[@cadethumann8605]

One detail I like about this fight that few mention is how as the second guy is getting more frustrated, he gives himself more of a disadvantage and made him ultimately lose the fight. While anger can be useful if used right (such as help motivate one), it can easily lead to recklessness due to lack of proper thinking in exchange for aggression.

[@Orangeveil]

Yeah! They established character very well with no dialogue. The angry bearded guy and the calm bald guy established themselves so well with their facial expressions, their moves, how they handled setbacks (or didnt').

[@MrKrasnox]

1:43 i love how he gets punished for telegraphing his blow. this fight is really intense, good camera work too!

[@OriruBastard]

That was actually pretty good fight-scene with swords. Sorta theatrical because warriors always aimed at the weak spot but I can see this happening between two competent swordsmen.

[@michaelt.5672]

When you're not wearing armor, pretty much everything is a weak spot. Unarmored longsword fencing usually targets head and torso as primary targets. And that's what they are doing here. There are a few out-of-measure and off-target strikes, but that would happen in a real-life fight too.

[@LordOfChaos.x]

Longswords were not made for taking out armored openents like a full plate armor knight. There were other weapons for that purpose.

[@gabdetch5667]

Brought here by a Shadiversity video. Simply WOW. Movie tier rythme with so much better intensity and credibility.

[@inthefade]

Amazing example of how realistic sword fighting can be done in a way that is more exciting than Hollywood films. I wish Game of Thrones had fight coordinators like you and actors who could take the time to learn this fighting style.

[@MichalBreslau]

Imho two older actors were good at GoT, actor who played Stannis and actor who played Jorah. Sean Bean was good too, but had only one fight.

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

@@MichalBreslau Yeah but then again they weren't allowed to be as quick as they realistically would be. Look at Arthur Dayne. Guy is said to be an absolute legend, and he fights with two different swords of similar sizes, and swings them both like they each weigh 8lbs. Ruins the immersion for me. I get that they're actors and that they don't need to become master swordsmen, but I think if they train such as for the Star Wars prequels that we'd all be a lot happier. Those guys sold me on being top tier Jedi.

[@TheSwordsPathChannel]

Beautifully done! That's quite possibly the best fighting choreography ever caught in cinematography. I'm sharing your video right now. :)

[@gargarbad6047]

got here from your channel, beautiful indeed..

[@lookingthat3855]

No clue with what you are saying, but read n Reddit and let me say a truth: amateur videomaker are changing cinematography. Watch Ben Brown' arctic vibes, or Yuri Palma'Motion 4, some shot are better than some of Revenant

[@WiseWarriorsPath2]

I been filming stuff like this also, this was sure face and intense.

[@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522]

The Sword's Path. They didint use your spin techniques

Combat medieval en España-kzbin.info/www/bejne/inzdgqKDh9hnepo

[@pheonix_coalition7216]

Now imagine if all movies and TV shows based in the Medieval/renaissance period actually had realistic fighting like this. Its got movie drama and its realistic techniques (at least it looks like it, im no HEMA mastwe) and it looks absolutely AMAZING!!

[@Snarkbutt]

This is perhaps the coolest staged longsword fight I've seen. I've watched it twice now. It's theatrical and dramatic, but both the duelists demonstrate legitimate fencing skill and deftness. I mean, even something as simple as using both edges of the sword is something you never see in big movies, let alone half-swording. I would hire your team for sure if I was making a movie.

[@mattiabettini3248]

1:10 when you hit the ground so hard even the background music stops...

[@PavelSemin]

man, I almost feel that it will be X-ray from MK

[@yoowon-hye9270]

Ironically, though, the auto-generated subtitle says "[Music]"

[@PaniKsermon]

Dear God, Someone please send this to Dan and Dave from Game of Thrones! A stellar story and visuals accompanied by the authenticity of these choreographs would render the show unbeatable in my books!

[@TrainingMacro]

They already got the dutch fencer in those series ;)

[@artygunnar]

well, obviously, they are doing it all wrong

[@nutyyyy]

Historical advisors and fencing experts get hired on these projects so their names can be put in the credits as experts and make the stuff seem authentic. On set they often get ignored for the final product, which is depressing.

[@lkvideos7181]

a trained knight in full plate armor no less .... utter bullcrap.

[@metabolismofindominable8219]

Except in Got full-plate armor is actually in fact definitely heavy and oafish and their style more basically based on brute strength than fighting finesse.

[@LegendaryStudiosCanada]

Wow that’s very accurate! I have been practicing HEMA for almost six years and this is amazingly good.

[@Dovah21]

I honestly wish fight choreography was done like this more often in movies. This is the one of the most brutal sword duels I've ever seen, yet not one swing, thrust, or grapple looks out-of-place or or overly showy; they all appear to be completely legitimate techniques. Edit: just wanted to add there were several exchanges during the fight where I couldn't help but slow the playback speed just to appreciate how much is going on in them.

[@azrani2023]

Same here, went like "wtf just happened" and replayed it to see haha

[@Potassium1402]

Yea i really want to learn so i replayed a considerable amount of times.

[@DreyWunder]

Very impressive weapon control and athletics ... and then hats off and respect for the camera operator. Henrik (Drey Wunder, Germany)

Thank you!

[@lookingthat3855]

Spretla, you did the shooting? Congrat. Best shooting suprise of the year to em togehter with Yuri Palma releases. Great

Yes, I did and thank you :) It was first time i did something like that. It was test and they can use it as their "fight reel".

[@ItsJustN8]

Holy fuckamole why does Hollywood shit out boring unrealistic fight scenes if stuff like this is possible!

It´s hardcore even for cinematographer, because you have to be really close to them. Look at 1:03. He almost kicked my camera! :D

[@user-ye7ts8ge7u]

And the best part is it is historically accurate.

[@lr7104]

Well, tbh, realistically it would have ended in 3-4 moves (and I think I saw several hits that were "marked", but did not stop the fight to make it more interesting). Real stuff does not really support such prolonged fights, unless both fighters got superhuman reflexes, kinetic vision and exactly same level of fitness/skills. So movies with "real" fight scenes would be actually boring as fuck, as these would be too fast and brutal, or turned into a brawl in mud.

[@WhyName]

Because they can't have boring exposition dialogue over a fight scene that actually contains action.

I was told some swordmans used drugs before fight in history. I guess they could last longer.

[@wilder11]

When Hollywood crumbles, and something takes its place? I hope they look to you guys to revolutionize medieval/renaissance stunt work in film. Because that was better than pretty much anything I've seen in any western production.

[@SirPlusOfCamelot]

Some people say that this is exaggerated realism, but save the lack of circling and distancing, I can see almost all of these exchanges happening in one duel! It is not and exaggerated as people here say it is, just look closer.

[@zlobnez]

They should hire this guy as choreographer for EVERY SINGLE MOVIE involving swords.

[@jean-barbe7340]

Who said we couldn't get historical swordfighting to look totally badass on camera? ;) Great work! :D

[@Forodren_Ardhor]

The lessons, we've learned from this duel: Stay calm, stay focused. Rage leads to impulsive actions, impulsive actions lead to quick defeat.

[@chillshock2144]

I knew the Cz are a bit crazy, but this takes it to a whole new level (of awesome!). Holy cow! And nice to see some actually non-baseballbat longsword fighing with proper speed and viciousness. Very very impressive fight, gentlemen. Very much so. Nice camerawork as well.

[@KnightSquire]

That was FUCKING AWESOME! Amazing work.

[@illuminati4039]

Thanks for sending me here m8 the fight's awesome

[@caelvanir8557]

Hey Knightsquire. Thanks for sending me here!

[@RelativelyBest]

Needs more spinning.

[@dysentery481]

KnightSquire I downvoted. There was a distinct lack of: - Spinning - Over-telegraphing - Katana - Brian Danner as director How do these guys expect to be taken seriously...

[@josephbloom1768]

Dysentery don't forget back rolling and explotions

[@kevinoneal9779]

Hollywood, you have no excuse.

[@slimchelmi6940]

the code duello actually dictates that a fistfighting segment is mandatory in a longsword duel all joking aside tho: this was amazing!! I could use a little less shaky cam, but DAMN, the choreo was fire also I love whenever someone manages to tell a story without dialogue, well done

[@taylorahern3755]

Central European swordplay & swordfighting of the era 1450-1650 was quite magnificent, beautifully intricate & deadly effective, just amazing to contemplate & behold (& any thoroughly trained, hardened & perfected practitioner in that fine & fancy art featured above could more than likely have given even the most skilled, seasoned & lethal Japanese Samurai swordsman a very good run for his money, a fierce fight that would have been evenly/near evenly matched, relatively speaking). What an incredible & superbly choreographed demonstration that those two gents gave. Outstanding!

[@joew.3354]

> when someone says historically accurate swordfighting can't be used in cinema

[@nythrost8208]

@Allison Kaas They are wrong and you are wrong

[@riccardoalicino1975]

@Allison Kaas wrong

[@cdru515]

A good reason behind cinematic swordfighting is that it's easier to teach, and it's safer than portraying realistic swordfights

[@christiandauz3742]

Imagine if a Hollywood actor DIED because they attempted to do HEMA-styled duels in a movie Any little bit of realism is going to be taken off

[@adamkimara6919]

@@christiandauz3742 It's interesting, because look at people like Keanu Reeves or Jackie Chan who do their own fights and stunts. Actor's can do the action if the directors are willing to allow them to.

[@ArthurHerbst]

To some extend i can understand why there are no such brilliant fights in hollywood movies. You cant expect an actor to have years of training like these people have. Of course they could use stuntmans, but you have to disguise them...maybe let them wear a helmet? No! Impossible! You know how much hollywood despises helmets on main characters, do you?^^

[@cadethumann8605]

It's no Hollywood that despises helmets. Hell, Hollywood can't despise anything as it is just a place where various people gather. What can despise the helmets are the filmmakers working on the project.

[@crozraven]

Arthur Herbst helmets are a forbidden items for the main characters in Hollywood movies especially a big actors. LOL

[@cadethumann8605]

Croz Raven Actually, they are not. There are no rules that forbid you from doing anything in your story as Hollywood is just a place of gathering. Granted, it is true that filmmakers tend to prefer their protagonists to be helmetless as to show the characters' emotions. Just don't go blaming a place that has nothing to do with the issue other than helping filmmaking.

[@crozraven]

Cade Thumann you know it's a joke right?! that's why I LOL to it ...

[@cadethumann8605]

Croz Raven I'm sorry. I just couldn't tell if you were mocking Hollywood or just being playful. It just sometimes get annoyed when people treat a place like crap for having weird film decisions. It also irritates me when people disregard the many good things that came from Hollywood (good movies, many dreams coming true, gave people jobs, lots of profits made, etc.).

[@GrimfangsTV]

Wild, intense, violent, dynamic, and overall beautiful. This was much better than the sword fights you get to see in the movies. I loved it. Especially the part where he throws the sword back to his opponent. Keep it up!

[@hardstylelife5749]

Maybe one day the almighty movies production companies will take into consideration to spend some of their humongous budgets in some guys like them and their expertise. Bravo

[@kenny187ful]

Why can't swordfights in movies be more like this

[@ArttuPeltoniemi]

Becouse to do this one needs to study and aquire skill.

[@fgdbbddhhdhdj1591]

Risk of ingury and lawsuit

[@Somanous]

@Clench Chad Man Chill out dude, he is totally right. Movies will not have the precious faces of their actors get cut or risk it happening.

[@jackie520]

some of them are. i liked the ones in gladiator and troy. also I recommend the movie 13 assassins.

[@dyliokhan3946]

Majority of the viewers, mainly the casuals and (I really hate to say this)... Normies, prefer flashy and unrealistic duels than the realistic ones because they are 'boring and too quick'.

[@sparrowhawk81]

Get these guys working on Game of Thrones NAO!!! RIGHT NAO!!!

[@SolarDragon007]

YESSSSSS

[@wojszach4443]

yaass!

[@majoranix2753]

Sparrowhawk YESS

[@-Thunder-Warrior-]

*Now.

[@DrTheRich]

Someone escort Brian Danner out of this room, friendly. And with friendly I mean, using a Zwerchhau, two left Unterhaus and a Pommel throw....

[@jessehines4044]

Love the palm strikes there, they don't risk injury to your knuckles, have a greater stunning effect, and allow for a quicker transition from striking to grappling/wrestling. And yes I can just hear it now when the average MMA nut job fan reads this he or she will be like "If palm strikes are so effective then why are they not used in MMA?". Then I would reply "take the gloves off that protect your fragile knuckles and lets see what happens". Early UFC all over again with career ending hand injuries. And honestly I've done both, and it seems like the two really have about the same amount of power and the only difference is not the quantity of power but rather the way the power is transferred into the target. Punches concentrate their force onto the knuckles, a much smaller surface area so the energy is transferred in a more penetrating fashion. With palm strikes the energy is transferred width wise which is how it creates a bigger stunning effect. Also obviously since the hand is already open its easier to transition from striking to wrestling/grappling.

[@timsevin1652]

any MMA guy worth his salt knows the terror Bas Rutten left Pancrase in at the heels of his palms

[@Jaeger_89]

I fucking hate it when people go with the "waaa if it's so effective, why MMA doesn't use it". People think that a fight for your life plays out like a UFC match. That's the appex of not having a clue how self defense works...

[@RJLbwb]

I love the details like how you used shaky cam to show when the character's were losing their focus.

[@guikoi3101]

Shadiversity on EFAP brought me here. They showed this video and I just HAD to come see it here properly after seeing this amazing work! Kudos to everyone involved, this was amazing to watch.

[@juliuszsedzikowski]

Could you give a link?

[@guikoi3101]

@@juliuszsedzikowski Sure. ht tps://www. youtube. com/watch?v=_uWz2PXXTDg I cut the link up into pieces because I'm not sure how KZbin would react to links. So... just remove the spaces, of which there are three.

[@checkmarc8474]

🦏🥛

[@x2spooky4me]

may the Don bless thy heart

[@nin2494]

Guikoi KZbin just makes a hyperlink, no? Lemme check. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laa6q2WGjb2Hesk

[@W4ldgeist]

People, this needs to go viral to wake up Hollywood. SPREAD THE SHIT out of it! (on all your social platforms, not just HEMA groups)

[@lookingthat3855]

I agree. I found this, Ben Bron and Yuri Palma 2016 releases at best cinema level

[@binaryfission9021]

I thought that was art. Like a ballet it was artful and beautiful in how it was shot and the work of the people involved to prepare for such a shoot must have been extensive. Incredible beautiful work

[@WretchedPlebe]

It always amuses me when Western kids are like the Samurai are so cool. They are in fact "cool". But knights were as well versed samurai. They began training as a page at the age of 8 etc.

[@kylekrb1]

Best fight scene I've ever seen. You guys need to be hired as choreographers STAT

[@gladiatoresteammunchen6461]

We love you ... Greetings from Gladiatores ;-) This is how HEMA and swordfighting should look like. And a bit of scenic and theatrical is always good ;-) Thomas from Gladiatores Germany

[@MrMighty147]

This was literally the most amazing sword fight I have ever seen in my entire life.

[@Israel_hart113]

I watch this multiple times a year Every about this is gorgeous

[@MrTomte09]

David Benioff and Daniel Weiss of Game Of Thrones ought to take a look at this

[@Jester814]

"Oh we went with dual wielding instead of the longsword because dual weilding just looks so much more impressive" Yeah ok

[@jorlok_zander]

Yeah, but they'd mix source material to the point, where these guys wouldn't even meet, and one of them would've been long dead before this even happens, but then he resurrects god knows where, something, something happens, they try to build a moral story behind those characters, but then forget they were trying, and then you won't even see them for two more seasons.

[@MNGN101]

+Jester814 We've already seen badass characters clear a room with a longsword before in the show. They needed to emphasise the point that Arthur Dayne was a brilliant swordsman to non-HEMA enthusiast audiences with the time and resources they had. Why can't people just use common sense and realise this instead of resorting to being a triggered keyboard warrior?

[@vicount3944]

Ser Arthur Dayne had a Greatsword, but of course D&D butchered him...

[@MNGN101]

+Skyler Anyone who doesn't like practical sword fighting has half a brain. I don't know where all these HEMA elitists came from, but suddenly you're somehow smarter because you know about half-swording. Or are you simply pissed because it didn't play out the same way as it did in the book? Either way, way to discriminate man, keep it up.

[@hanniballecter1954]

This is actually a lot better than any movie fighting scene regarding longswords... on second thought this might be the best fighting scene in general.

[@TheKamikaziButterfly]

That was better than EVERY light saber fight I've ever seen!

[@MrDaros89]

Better choreography than practically every single high budget movie out there.

[@physical_insanity]

We need a competent director who will actually use this sort of fighting in a movie.

[@michaelt.5672]

Directors aren't the biggest problem here. It's money and time. Remember these guys are experienced longsword fencers, not actors. And actors will need (a lot of) time to learn choreographies like that, and doing stuff like this without risk to the actors is pretty difficult. Not to mention that shooting fights like this in a manner that communicates what exactly is happening is a challenge in it of itself. It's no coincedence that a movie like John Wick (which, regardless of any discussion about accuracy, was extremely complex in it's fight choreographies) was concieved of and directed by men who are stuntmen in their own right. and had a ridiculously dedicated actor to work with. The same would have to happen for a historical movie for it's fight scenes to be like the one we see here.

[@Catubrannos]

Thanks for putting this up, now when people say that movie swordfighting is rubbish there is another video to point to and show what is possible.

[@stoffi]

This is hands down the best display I've seen yet - of what an actual sword fight might have looked like. Great job!