Adult Cartoons HATE Each Other (sometimes lol)

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[@Outahearr]

South Park and Family Guy beefing over whether their comedy is dumb while Futurama is minding it's own business making new mathematical theorems

[@orbboom6119]

Common Futurama W

[@appalachiabrauchfrau]

Futurama had a little side of beef, a small slice of kobe, with Adventure Time but I think that was more of a "same voice actor dunks on self" shout out.

[@moontruther7519]

The Simpsons rip on Futurama pretty often though

[@wuvumgywgy]

Love futurama

[@Bendernity]

@@moontruther7519They were made by the same guy.

[@connorhealy3562]

When it comes to stuff like this, sometimes it’s hard to tell if it’s more “close friends or family members ribbing on each other in a good natured way” or “high school friend groups shitting on each other in close little gossip circles”

[@DDarkestKnight]

"You're both right." - Homer Simpson

[@digimonlover1632]

For Family Guy and Bob’s Burgers, it’s the former. For Family Guy and South Park, it’s the latter.

[@theradionicrevival8068]

I see it as the first option given how the staff behind these shows are so large and rotating that it’s impossible to get a “hive mind” consensus out of them. Collectively it IS overall just a job tho, a job they’re likely passionate for, but still a job nonetheless. A lot of the board artists, actors, writers, sound engineers etc work on multiple and sometimes the same shows so often and generally spend so much time around and with each other that it’s hard to believe they truly got a ‘Spy Vs Spy’ thing goin on As an artist/aspiring animator myself, we literally don’t got the time bruh The older you are and the more serious you take art as a career, the less time you have left to actually spend it on bar fights 😔

[@NaviRyan]

I think it’s adult animation creators who understand the process/pitfalls, and pointing it out. It’s not a mark against the show more or less playful ribbing of other shows. They also have a unique perspective when viewing other shows, and knowing that their audience also likes the other show.

[@FrancisR420]

It's pair of high schoolers making fun of a newspaper comic

[@gulorful8488]

I always think back to what Seth said about Matt and Trey which was basically "Make fun me all you want but don't go after the writers you don't know and make way less money than you".

[@estebangutierrez160]

That is a true fact, Seth doesn't write Family Guy, he's only the voice actor

[@daniapfel2825]

​@@estebangutierrez160 Yep and it’s don’t write anymore

[@queencockroach]

This is why I hate when people talk about “zombie simpsons”. Just because you don’t vibe with new Simpsons doesn’t mean the writers, animators and voice actors didn’t work hard on it, and imo people don’t realize or respect that enough. Same goes for Fmaily Guy.

[@AJPiersonToonParadise]

I love that this review wasn't an April fools joke and an actual critique on both shows.

[@silvertriforce2574]

"South Park Fans aren't pretentious" Best Joke I've heard all day.

[@Im-BAD-at-satire]

Everyone's prone to confirmation biases, even theoretical physicists.

[@whatayaDO543]

they are pretentious, but likable, Rick and Morty fans however...

[@passtheapplejuice2619]

They aren’t

[@rhonnichan]

​@@whatayaDO543 Both are god awful tbh

[@moonlight_oats]

eh i don’t think i’m that pretentious. i just think funny show go brr

[@charlesintune]

I'm glad everyone agrees that Bob's Burgers is the most. Unbothered. 😂 Absolute gem of a show

[@atomictea21]

At this point Peter is more a nemesis to Bob than Jimmy Pesto

[@projectRHIthink]

Over the recent years , ive come to love shows like Futurama and Bob Burgers due to the fact that they do stay in their own lane ( im not counting the simpsons nods bc the same creator made both shows ) and they have heart . Not saying that South Park and Family Guy never did or currently have , but its more apparent in the former shows i mentioned than in the ladder . Amazing video as always , Tariq !!

[@Full_Metal_Angel]

I never understand why people compare things that you really shouldn't. Things are different and they have their own charms and falls and sometimes things have only falls, but they shouldn't be instantly compared to other cartoons with family members who always get into shenanigans. Or a content creator who talks about the same type of shit. Love then all for different reasons and that will make things easier

[@connorlane7878]

"the point is to make the laugh" is something comedians should start to follow

[@moxxiedemongamer3019]

I LOVED Bob Burgers and I'd find that show is funny as hell and more funnier then Modern day Family Guy

[@daniapfel2825]

Yeah

[@Bolbi145]

The thing people forget about South Park’s roast is that they were roasting Family Guy during the show’s fourth season, one of it not the best season of FG.

[@JohnAlcott238]

I feel like the south park Simpsons episode is in so much better taste. Their anger was very apparent in the family guy episode.

[@curtiswilliam]

Man when ppl complained about family guy having cutaway gags, I was confused because I felt those were the best parts of the show: some random shit. It’s like a way to make sure you’re still paying attention. Some are funny, some aren’t, and some are down right hilarious. It’s a refresher from the actual story because come on; some stories in both shows may drag and make you wanna watch something else. Family Guy found a loophole with the cutaway gags so you won’t get bored. I’ve always thought comparing the two was stupid because they’re two completely different shows. Sometimes I just wanna quick silly funny show, and sometimes I wanna good story with a message

[@MissAshley42]

Stone and Parker may have a consistently well-written show, but their humor has gotten stale and their takes significantly worse. Add to that a refusal to consider how South Park's messages may be misinterpreted or misused and it becomes a show that I mostly watch to see how it will end and definitely can't recommend. *EDIT:* I disagree with one of your final points. It definitely matters how someone earns a laugh. There are vile perspectives out there which most definitely should not be catered to just to get a laugh.

[@ToonrificTariq]

I think you’re actively ignoring that the point of the video is about both styles of storytelling being valid and not “vile perspectives.”

[@professorrosenstock5026]

I've literally watched Simpsons then Family Guy and Bob's burgers. Then South Park on Wednesdays. I'm not even rare, there is no need to find, the show will be watched.

[@_Whyro_]

I hate how family guy ppl genuenly thinks that there would be no succesful adult animated show now if it werent for them.

[@ToonrificTariq]

They’ve literally never implied this. This is just a narrative somebody said on the internet one day lol.

[@SouthernGothicYT]

It's so petty when Family Guy randomly drops shit on other shows like South Park, Bob's Burgers and Robot Chicken, as if they're not all popular with an overlapping fanbase

[@ToonrificTariq]

Family Guy’s actually never said anything about South Park! They’ve never responded lol. And the Robot Chicken stuff is honestly just fun and games. Seth Green, creator of Robot Chicken, voices Chris.

[@SouthernGothicYT]

@@ToonrificTariq idk just feels like Seth MacFarlane has a chip on his shoulder about other adult shows, but weirdly enough not cartoons like Drawn Together or Futurama which seem like a prime target, esp DT.

[@daniapfel2825]

​@@ToonrificTariq Yeah and it’s Seth Green

[@daniapfel2825]

​@@SouthernGothicYT Ok

[@The7thDraconian]

As someone who isn't a fan of either show, the Southpark and commentary clips really do have an air of pretentious about them (though my own dislike of Matt and Trey's style of writing could be coloring my view there), but the Bob's Burgers jabs seem pretty childish in thier own right. Admittedly, the "no, a roast is good natured" did get a chuckle out of me, so who am I to judge.

[@estebangutierrez160]

I also agree, I like both South Park and Family Guy. I see them as two different shows, with their own jokes and animation. I think people want to argue about each other's shows is because they have nothing better to do other than argue about something. Family guy is still funny, South Park is still funny, enjoy what you like.

[@daniapfel2825]

Yeah

[@REDOYSTERCULT302]

I prefer South Park but I still like a lot of parts of family guy

[@drewbarton196]

And then there's the crossover The Simpsons Guy in which each member of the two families get pair up( Homer and Peter, Marge and Lois, Lisa and Meg, etc.) and the trial scene had characters from The Simpsons and Family Guy sitting next to their equivalent based on occupations and "stereotypes" all the while the blue haired lawyer talks about plagiarism. Maybe there's something the characters might have something in common, maybe there isn't; but what really matters is how the characters and their stories are told differently with their own brand of humor and tone. And that goes for all the other Fox animated shows that has a dad, a mom, and their 2 or 3 kids.

[@daniapfel2825]

It’s true

[@arvinbuenaagua5161]

Bob's Burgers is fuckin timeless

[@MoKuZai]

they act like 3 legends can't co exist. cant wait for that bob's burgers simpsons and family episode tho

[@mesousagaby740]

What's funny is that if I ever did do an episode about parodying Family Guy, it'd mostly be about the...(sigh) Meg Griffin abuse. Because, that was the main reason why I left FG in like...2007. Most of the jokes would be like "Oh wow, the writers really were never teenagers, were they?" and "Dunno how to write one of your characters? Abuse them, because everyone knows child abuse is funny in real life, right?"

[@nickrustyson8124]

What point did you stop watching The Simpsons?

[@madnessarcade7447]

6:04 aren’t Kenny’s death and cartman insulting kyle a gag

[@hectordaniellemus-mesa4480]

9:38 just noticed Bob's teeth I never realized that and I watch this episode like three times xD it's so disturbing even when Bob's burgers show teeth

[@quincycannon9350]

yea cartoons do be dissing each other lol....subliminally

[@fishingfan1500]

The reasons why South Park hates Family Guy is the same reason I love them. In saying that, I (used to) love South Park. Since they introduced PC Principal, I've lost interest. However I think the shows stand on their own, they are in their own style and I enjoy both shows. EDIT: I wrote this comment half way through watching this video, but the wrap-up pretty much summed up my feelings.

[@daniapfel2825]

Ok

[@fishingfan1500]

@@daniapfel2825 great contribution, like all the other comments I've seen you reply to. Ty ✌🏻

[@JShocks7]

I think it's funny that people take the Bob's Burgers jokes that Family Guy makes so personally. They're always like "Why's Family Guy doing this? It must be jealousy." Like it's something worth caring about lmao

[@blackout295]

4:36 Yeah you better not be saying you're better than Marsreviews

[@ToonrificTariq]

He’s a friend of mine, bra lol.

[@stylishneo]

the one sided issues fg seems to have with bobs burgers is so strange to me. one joke, ok whatever but to be making the same joke for a decade without the other show reacting at all is weird and it reeks of jealousy. a side tangent, im getting so sick of the emmy jokes, after a whole episode 6 years ago you’d think they’d drop it

[@pineapplepanda8444]

4:32 you remind me of awestruckvox

[@AXSofHFDS]

american dad is better than both shows.

[@daniapfel2825]

Huh no this show won a only trophy and Family Guy and South Park do among the ones of best shows of all time but it’s your opinion at you and the persons who liked your comment

[@tevinssj7609]

I still say, family guy is more petty remember the joke where quagmire 🍇 marge Simpson, then killed the whole Simpson family lol

[@ironwolf5802]

I enjoy both but do tend to think more positively about South Park than Family Guy.

[@KhayJayArt]

South Park actually did have an episode air on Comedy Central that did have an depiction of the Prophet Muhammad. It was the "Super Best Friends" episode. Idk why Matt and Trey thought they were doing something

[@horridJ]

Adult cartoons are kinda like middle school fights. They start beef for no reason 😂

[@MemeX998]

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[@august9474]

I assume bobs burgers is the only one that doesn't hate the other shows since both peter and homer were in his restaurant in a cutaway

[@silvertriforce2574]

He WAS going to charge Peter for "Not having an emmy" dispite the many Emmy's Family guy Has gotten, Such as:Outstanding Voice-Over Performance - 2000, Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Animated Program - 2008, Outstanding Comedy Series - 2009, Outstanding Voice-Over Performance - 2009, and Outstanding Voice-Over Performance X2 - 2013.

[@zanpakutoman4225]

The crew probably are (or maybe were) big fans of both shows. The Simpsons had been around for over 20 years and Family Guy was around its 10th season when Bob's Burgers premiered. I think they were a younger set of talent, so most of them probably just grew up watching both. They're probably just happy to be referenced and laugh them off.

[@EPICboyGamer-kl3ep]

@@zanpakutoman4225 Also the voice actor for Bob voices one of the side characters in Family Guy

[@heiress.]

@@silvertriforce2574 The ‘Family Guy doesn’t have an Emmy” jokes doesn’t make sense and it’s the second time they’ve used that joke. Family guy has won multiple emmies I don’t understand why the writers are rewriting history.

[@Raebrained]

​@@heiress.Sometimes people just like to complain only they can animate and make money off their complaints 😂 big or small

[@PerseusToons]

I never understood the beef (or perceived beef) between these adult animated shows. They each have their own inherent value to their respective audiences, and I think that's enough.

[@patricklauer4452]

Exactly it’s really petty

[@msjkramey]

I think it's just a form of promotion. It gets people talking more about your site when there's a rivalry--real or manufactured

[@cowabungaitis9319]

I think most of them that don't involve family guy are just jokes, but every adult cartoon legit DESPISES Fanily guy, after South Park did it's Family guy episode they received flowers and a letter from the simpsons and other adult cartoons saying things like "Thank you" or "Finally someone said it" Imo it's pretty deserved tbh, Family Guy is the bottom of the barrel of comedy writing

[@jujutaylor2186]

Exactly. There's nothing new under the sun so do it your way. If it hits, it hits. If it don't. Next episode

[@Jameskoek]

@@jujutaylor2186 True there are no "truly original ideas" but this argument ignores execution which really is the deciding factor. When it comes to more topical subjects South Park is pretty consistently better at it, Family Guys issue it it needs to focus less on being topical and more on just its "dumb stupid jokes" those are what it does best and if it stuck to that lain more often I don't think people would hate it as much as they do. Like American dad is basically just that, and it's still amazing. Family Guy really should take some notes form it's little brother.

[@NerdMiGerd]

Bro I swear it feels like Bob's Burgers was personally responsible for killing one of the Family Guy writers' dog, and every time they're tasked with an episode their untapped rage unknowingly permeates into their jokes it's so wild to me lmao

[@empatheticrambo4890]

Bob’s Burgers and Futurama rock

[@mightyfilm]

My problem is that Family Guy (at least its writers) seems a little bitter about its competition. Let's not forget the "joke" (that was censored off the American broadcast) where Quagmire literally onscreen rapes Marge Simpson, and then proceeds to off screen kill the entire Simpsons family. There's throwing shade at a series, but that was just bitter, angry, and juvenile.

[@NerdMiGerd]

@@mightyfilm Yeah it just feels like a step over the line. Especially when we know that Seth Macfarlane and Matt Groening are very close friends. It's moments like that where it just doesn't feel like anything that coincides with Seth's own values and that's just painful to see y'know? I kinda hate that Family Guy now has a rep for being callous or mean spirited now when the creator is the furthest thing from that, and that's not how the series started out. All because some weirdo in the writing staff seems to just be like a hateful bitter piece of shit idk man.

[@mightyfilm]

@@NerdMiGerd Other times they threw shade at the Simpsons were at least clever. I love when Stewie rants about the babysitter's boyfriend watching his favorite downloaded Simpsons episode "Oh, you've memorized the whole Mr. Plow song. So hasn't everyone!!!" And then the episode about O.J. Simpson where Mayor West says "Get out of here Simpson! We don't love you as much as we did in 1994," only to pan over to Homer. Funniest bit of the episode, frankly. Just...that one time was just inexcusable. Luckily it was a one time thing. That said, I liked The Simpsons' jab at Bojack Horseman better. Marge refuses Homer to watch the next episode of a Stranger Things expy, and appears as Bojack on the TV saying Homer can watch that, only for Homer to say "NO! Too depressing!"

[@AnAverageGoblin]

@@mightyfilm What the actual fuck

[@wespapes2054]

All the times Family Guy shits on Bob's Burgers annoys me.

[@el_mismisimo_sr.x]

Honestly, I think it's a jealousy situation since Bob's Burgers, a show that didn't seem like it was going to last, ended up winning an Emmy before Family Guy and outrated it multiple times

[@missshai2005]

I'm sure it's all in god fun. If not, I don't think that H. Jon Benjamin would still be working with them. It's very similar to like how Peter and Chris go at it over Robot Chicken after all of the Star Wars episodes, but McFarland literally voices Palpatine on Robot Chicken. (Just in case anyone isn't aware, Seth Green created Robot Chicken and voices Chris)

[@accidentalmadness1708]

And than there’s archer.

[@michaelstrong5383]

That "rivalry" is giving me Timmy's Dad/Dinkleberg vibes. Bob's Burgers is the most inoffensive adult cartoon show ever made, and yet Family Guy just hated them.

[@missshai2005]

@@michaelstrong5383 I think that's part of the joke, though. That's why they clowned on themselves with that Emmy Award bit.

[@Davethe3rd]

All I know is that American Dad isn't being mentioned ONCE and every show that takes a shot at it is just "LOL, Family Guy 2.0" when that was NEVER ACCURATE.

[@nickrustyson8124]

Shit even calling The Cleveland Show a Family Guy 2.0 isn't accurate

[@miggypeso909]

Honestly I think they’re scared of the AD crew. They don’t want beef with Roger. Seriously tho AD has the sharpest writers of all these shows and would tear all of them a new one. It would be hilarious too.

[@charlesintune]

It was at first

[@AarturoSc]

American Dad’s season 1 was VERY close to being “Family Guy 2.0”. The first episode even has cutaway gags! It did grew into its own thing and it’s better than Family Guy and whatever they were trying to do with The Cleveland Show. More consistently good as well.

[@Stathio]

Yeah- it was only Family Guy 2.0 at the start (and those were by far the worst seasons) but American Dad has been more consistently good than any of these other shows since I'd argue it's actually a rare example of a show getting better over time instead of worse. Either way, American Dad is quietly fantastic and deserves way more credit than it gets. American Dad fans are surprisingly chill and good natured in my experience too. 100% Seth McFarlane's best work in my book.

[@riotwire]

Family guy critiquing anyone else's art style is insane 😭😭😭

[@razorblademask]

My understanding was that Mike Judge was a huge help for Matt and Trey when they were getting started and that's why the staff was portrayed as neutral as it was. I think the KotH crew just kinda stuck to themselves when they were on the air.

[@MayorOfEarth79]

Mike Judge was the voice of Kenny in the South Park movie because they liked him.

[@daniapfel2825]

​@@MayorOfEarth79 Yeah

[@razorblademask]

@@MayorOfEarth79 yes and part of why they like him is because he was so helpful for their start.

[@MissAshley42]

Probably helps, too, that Judge, Stone, and Parker are all libertarians and all got their animation starts in an underground/bootstrap way.

[@PickleRicksFATASSCOUSIN]

It's fair to know since Beavis and Butthead was one of South Park's biggest inspirations as well

[@JambiStambi]

as a massive South Park fan, and someone who is mostly indifferent towards Family Guy, (not a fan of it post cancellation, but i do like the first 3 seasons) it doesn't make sense that so many people are still so intensely running with either side of the argument. it basically boils down to "the cartoon i like is better than the one you like, you suck!" also i always felt that South Park making Cartman the mouthpiece of the anti Family Guy argument was Matt and Trey's way of acknowledging how petty and childish they were being

[@daniapfel2825]

Yep

[@danconnolly737]

south park hasn't been funny since the movie in 99

[@fartsmella2008]

​@@danconnolly737 shut up

[@mechajay3358]

13:47 Matt and Seth weren't always buddy-buddy, there was a scene in one Family Guy episode where Quagmire uh "had relations" with Marge and ended with him killing the whole Simpsons Family. Matt was apparently not happy with that gag and led to some tension between him and Seth from so years until they actually made up.

[@explicitcomments]

yeah but that gag came out after the cartoon wars relased

[@imdankarlin]

“Who give a fuck? Y’all are both watching cartoons!“ 😂

[@Santoryu90]

When South Park was talking shit about Family Guy it kinda came off as a bit pretentious, but when Family Guy made jabs at Bob’s Burgers, it felt more like petty jealousy.

[@daniapfel2825]

Yeah

[@KhayJayArt]

You'd think the Family Guy crew would have known better after being shat on by Matt and Stone's goofy petty asses.

[@GumSkyloard]

@@KhayJayArt FG's beef with BB felt petty. SP's beef with FG felt petty, AND childish.

[@IzDube]

@@GumSkyloard well yeah because like the only character in the episode against family guy was cartman who is probably the most childish and petty character on the show. The likable characters like or are indifferent to family guy

[@MightyMewtron]

​​@@IzDubeThe problem with South Park is when they use Cartman as a mouthpiece after years of using him as an anti role model. The commentary (as Tariq showed) has Matt and Trey on Cartman's side.

[@ShadyDoorags]

Tariq would be a better black cartoon reviewer KZbinr if he didn't swear and if he used a PNG avatar and if he gave preachy, soapbox speeches and if he used a purple background with yellow text and if he greeted his audience with the same phrase at the beginning of every video and if he said goodbye in a similar manner and if he was sexy... ...but until he gets all that and lives up to his potential, I guess I just prefer other non-specific superior black cartoon reviewer KZbinrs.

[@daniapfel2825]

Yeah !

[@sketchyjeff2054]

Legit nothing better than new tariq vids

[@TheMari876]

I wait patiently for them! I SWEAR

[@ITSMeatMan]

On god

[@nickgamble280]

​@@TheMari876 😂

[@CelestinaakaClonaClox9999]

Now that I think of it, Bart does kinda sound like a South Park character

[@alchemistofsteel8099]

Bart is played by Doraemon in the south park episode

[@daniapfel2825]

​@@alchemistofsteel8099 How that ?

[@hiddenthunder1395]

@@daniapfel2825 in that episode, Bart was voiced by Mona Marshall, she later voiced Doraemon in american dub.

[@daniapfel2825]

@@hiddenthunder1395 Oh ok thanks

[@gaaraofthefunk2011]

Family guy has more beef with robot chicken for no reason than south park

[@ToonrificTariq]

I forgot about da Robot Chicken beef lol.

[@gligarguy4010]

Isn't that just a joke because Chris's voice made that show?

[@gaaraofthefunk2011]

​@@ToonrificTariq like everytime they bring up robot chicken they got something slick to say

[@crakatoot5480]

The South Park guys seem like SUCH douche bags, the way they dump on Family Guy

[@kaan-kaant]

Robot chicken is a show made up of family guy style cutaways without the pretense of containing a plot

[@Kinkajou420]

I never really believed the beef between adult cartoons were really real, I just sorta assumed it was a way to have all of the adult cartoons promoting each other while on the same network biding for attention. I can definitely get how there would be frustrations with topics being covered that you want to have covered or the constant contest for attention to be renewed but outside of that it's sort of like WWE wrestlers hyping it up for the viewer

[@nickrustyson8124]

The only one I can kinda understand is Family Guy and Robot Chicken, but those Playful Jabs since Seth Green works on both shows

[@FrancisR420]

​@@nickrustyson8124 Yeah Chris defending robot chicken is always funny.

[@Dham_Pyra]

I feel like it was a mix of both real beef and fake. I think the bobs burgers one is fake while Simpsons was a "we repaired are relationship" and South Park and Family Guy is a genuine we don't like each other

[@heiress.]

@@Dham_Pyra No. the South Park and Family Guy beef is 100% one-sided with the aggression coming solely from the South Park camp. Has Family Guy even once mentioned South Park during its 25 years on air? They’ve mentions the Simpson’s, King of the hill, Bob’s Burgers, hell even recent shows like Big Mouth and Bojack Horseman have been mentioned. Never South Park. The beef is 100% one-sided and pathetic.

[@channel_shi]

i really like the way you talk about adult cartoons on god. so many discussions of the simpsons/family guy/etc. feel so samey and annoying and it's just refreshing to hear a relaxed perspective like this for once

[@danconnolly737]

wtfs a samey

[@GumSkyloard]

@@danconnolly737 Samey. They all feel the same. Same-y.

[@coolbrotherf127]

I like all the shows in this video for different reasons. South Park is great at commenting on social issues with witty stories. Family Guy has some hilariously absurd situational comedy. Bob's Burgers is heartwarming and focuses on the interpersonal relationships between the family members. Bojack is a fantastic look at the aftermath of Hollywood fame that is both very well written with jokes that absolutely break me with laughter and sad moments that will bring a tear to my eye, often in the same episode. Sure each show could try to be just like South Park, but the other shows aren't South Park and would end up just being worse South Park instead of their own thing that people like for different reasons.

[@danconnolly737]

Bojack is trash and will always will be trash, I can never understand why ppl watch that dumsterfire of a show!!!!!

[@dramaticScar]

And let's not forget the beef that the producers of Drawn together had with South Park and South Park didn't even bother to tackle it... which is something South Park is not affraid of doing

[@ToonrificTariq]

Honestly, I doubt Trey and Matt even know that happened lol.

[@glennburns7898]

@@ToonrificTariqthey really don’t. Lol

[@daniapfel2825]

​@@glennburns7898 They did tit purpose

[@MightyMewtron]

Didn't the creator of Drawn Together say he'd kill Matt and Trey if he met them or something?

[@Oni_Manga_Land]

When it comes to the element that sets members of the cartoon/animation discussion community apart from one another, what I can clearly see from ToonrificTariq is his heart. He has the most respectful, thoughtful takes on whatever he's talking about. Like, he's talking straight from the heart and finds something good in most works he critiques.

[@sandshark2517]

This whole argument feels like a "burgers and pizza" argument. Both are good in their own ways, but there are both diehard fans that will hate the other for little to nothing

[@connorhealy3562]

Why can’t they understood that unity is what we need?

[@ethanb4489]

i understand the point matt and trey are making about the writing being ‘lazy’ but that doesn’t mean they don’t work hard either way. i think they’re so used to working 16 hr days for several weeks that they forget that it isn’t normal for shows to make an episode in 6 days. yeah, it can be done but it shouldn’t be the norm. i hope their animators are paid well for getting an episode done so quickly. shit’s probably exhausting.

[@Hamantha]

Teeth Bob isn’t real, he can’t hurt you Teeth Bob:

[@daniapfel2825]

Teeth Hob: What the hell you tell why you exist you disgrace ?!

[@mathieuleader8601]

Family Guy's snark towards Bobs Burgers stems from the fact that Bob's Burgers continues to thrive on the wholesome family aspect that Family Guy had before its revival.

[@moxxiedemongamer3019]

I LOVE Both Family Guy and South Park and there humor is entirely different from each other

[@daniapfel2825]

Me also

[@patricklauer4452]

Same

[@BugsyFoga]

Anytime Family Guy makes fun of Bob’s Burgers basically feels like the equivalent of some bitter dude in his mid Thirties mocking a child simply out of jealousy that they’ve achieved more and got more recognition than they’ve gotten in the past .

[@daniapfel2825]

Yep

[@larrylaffer3246]

I'm just glad South Park went back to basics and Family Guy is fixing a few things around.

[@daniapfel2825]

Yep

[@pancakeboi6797]

I grew up watching both shows as a kid. I’ve always preferred South Park over the two. Family guy I thought the older episodes were fantastic. One thing Seth macfarlane and trey and Matt have in common is their both very musically talented as seen in both shows. Also stating the obvious both shows have always got a lot of backlash and controversy since they started. Other then that they’re style of comedy is very different. I’ve always respected their fight for freedom of speech both creators are very passionate about that which I always respected. The PTV episode of family which is one of the best episodes ever is basically the equivalent and South Park bigger longer uncut cause they’re both a giant middle finger to censor and make both series what they are. Family guy has definitely gone down hill over the years and that’s because Seth macfarlane hasn’t written the show in ages. He just does the voices. The characters just became very mean spirited and unlikable. That show still has a place in my heart with the older episodes and one of my favorite shows. South Park is still funny and enjoyable after 26 seasons. Some episodes are better then others. In fact after the movie the show got better and better. I still miss chef (Isaac Hayes) and the original voice for Wendy, Kyle’s mom, cartmans mom, other female characters (Mary Kay berg) rip. When I started watching South Park I mostly watched the early pre movie seasons and the movie, even though I was born in 98 and South Park was on for years. Those episodes are very special to me. But as I said South Park got better after the movie. The movie definitely made me fall in love with South Park and is still to this day my all time favorite show.

[@TECH097]

"These sound like normal words to ME like fuck..." I think the original gag is lazy as heck but this defense of it made me die of laughter Tariq 😂 Got me hiccuping, holy crap hahaaa

[@tiablue9106]

same lol. I think ppl got mad at that gag bc it was implying the characters in bojack being animals was just smth tacked on to try and differentiate it from other animated sitcoms (implying it's "just another adult cartoon" but w/ animals). but it rlly wasn't a malicious joke so

[@TenderVittles]

Dude… I’m new to being familiar with your channel because of your Talking Simpsons episode and I’ve been working through your episodes ever since. Thank you so much for what your doing. Your voice, tone, humor, sincerity and attitude to the way you approach animation is so refreshing and awesome to hear. Thank you so much! Keep at it.

[@miggypeso909]

I second this. Best channel on animation period.

[@MissAshley42]

Oh, I didn't know Tariq got on Talking Simpsons! I hadn't listened to it in years, but I might have to at least check out that episode.

[@Moon__Bunny__]

I'm surprised you didn't bring up The Simpson's "beef" with Ren & Stimpy! They both were a craze at the same time and poked fun at each other (accidental "Simpson's did it first").

[@troyjardine5850]

It was all because John K. hated that "The Simpsons" was a writer driven show, unlike his which was animator driven. In response, They fired back with how K. was an infamous uberperfectionist who was constantly late with new episodes.

[@Ichiyama22]

South Park is a snarky Twitlonger, Family Guy is a Tiktok of someone getting whifflebatted in the groin. Both are funny for wildly different reasons, but as long as you laugh, that's all that fukkin matters

[@ToonrificTariq]

One of the most fair comments I’ve gotten on this video lol.

[@rhonnichan]

Id argue that Bob's Burgers set a standard. It doesn't have to depend on shit like racism, homophobia, etc to be funny. Its just a mostly wholesome show w its own personal edge and the Belchers mind their business. Outside of Futurama, Bob's Burgers is truly one of my all time favorite.

[@daniapfel2825]

Okay

[@daniapfel2825]

It’s true

[@jackomon1129]

Something I noticed is that they only hate on the other Fox Adult Animated Series, but they don't seem to joke about other adult animated series outside of South Park. Aside from that one Bojack Horseman joke (I haven't really seen many Family Guy episodes), I don't remember seeing any F is for Family jokes.

[@DDarkestKnight]

F is for Family was below the radar. It's not as prominent as Bojack or Big Mouth.

[@AnAverageGoblin]

@@DDarkestKnight It was leagues better than Big Mouth.

[@DDarkestKnight]

@@AnAverageGoblin No it's not but more importantly Big Mouth is more internationally known: more awards, more views on Netflix and KZbin, more iconic. That's why Family Guy and the Simpsons are making references to them.

[@danconnolly737]

@@DDarkestKnight I don’t know what you’re talking about bro I watch family guy and Simpsons on a daily basis. I’ve seen every family guy and Simpsons episode and not once have I seen them reference that god-awful show big mouth and that Bojack Horseman are 2 shows that I don’t understand why they are so popular. I tried to sit down and watch the shows I couldn’t last more than 10 minutes and yes F is for family is leagues in bounds better than any other animated show I seen on Netflix. There’s like literally no argument when it comes to South Park of family, Guy South Park hasn’t been funny since they released the movie back in 99 anytime I try to watch a new episode it’s fucking insufferable trying to get through.

[@AnAverageGoblin]

@@DDarkestKnight being more internationally well known doesn't mean its good lmao. Ant Man movies are well known and they all suck shit. if popularity meant good there would be no such thing as a bad hollywood movie or bad tv show. the fact you think Big Mouth is good proves that paid reviews and recognizable voices gave you your opinion before it could form on its own.

[@_Mr.Tuvok_]

I ain’t even think about the HBO max South Park description. That’s some extra petty low-key shade right there

[@sscookiebuiscuit8299]

South park: loved child The simpsons:forgotten child Family guy: hated child Bobs burgers: the youngest child

[@zainmosni1701]

surprised about no mention of Drawn Together making an entire b-plot for their film about how pretentious they feel South Park is

[@ToonrificTariq]

That would mean that I’d have to watch that nasty ass movie lol.

[@Hamantha]

Hank just casually talking about what’s going on in Family Guy will never stop being funny as hell

[@tiablue9106]

10:44 always found it so strange this was written in the midst of the simpsons' 13th season yet butters says there are only 132 eps? by that time the simpsons was almost at 300 eps, they passed 132 back in season 7

[@kaitlyn__L]

I could honestly imagine it being written that way just to annoy the people who know. Though just some very rough maths told me it was too low.

[@SleepySeal121]

This video was really well thought out. I’ll admit, l’m 100% guilty of ragging on Family Guy in recent years. The characters becoming really mean spirited is a big reason for that. But like you said, it’s just two different styles of getting a laugh out of someone. Despite there being overlap, South Park and Family Guy are courting different audiences, and there’s nothing wrong with that. We can have opinions without being dicks to each other.

[@edhessert3487]

I had a gf who was quite literally obsessed with family guy like it was all she watched except for impractical jokers it was funny at first but brain numbing the longer it went on

[@Alucard-A-La-Carte]

This was like THERAPY for me. Even when the episode came out, I was like, "But the SHOW...IS SAYING...that FAMILY GUY IS FUNNY! WHAT IS THE PROBLEM!?" as people dogpiled Family Guy online.

[@Shrimpyfellow]

Family guy doesn’t go out of their way to make serious decisions (most of the time..) and that appeals to certain people in the same way more serious shows appeal to different people. What’s important is to just respect the way others consume media

[@NerdMiGerd]

Idk, I like both shows a lot, but I do think South Park is more well put together overall. I do generally agree with Matt and Trey's points, they definitely know what they're talking about in that regard, but I feel it moreso applies to the later seasons of the show where it became way more gag-focused. They're right in that having a show just be a laugh machine and nothing more, while very fun, just isn't sustainable for a long-running series, and I think they've more than proven that point in how their other show managed to keep itself just as fresh and entertaining as it was 20 years in because they put more focus into the character writing.

[@silvertriforce2574]

"but I feel it moreso applies to the later seasons of the show where it became way more gag-focused. ", and right here we can tell you have NOT been watching current seasons where the gags have been reduced substantially. Also, "They're right in that having a show just be a laugh machine and nothing more, while very fun, just isn't sustainable for a long-running series", What show are you talking about because, While not always hitting well, Family guy HAS made Deeper episodes, Just a shame you're too Shallow and Pretentious to understand them. Just because those episode contain jokes doesn't erase Deeper messages within them. "and I think they've more than proven that point in how their other show managed to keep itself just as fresh and entertaining as it was 20 years in because they put more focus into the character writing." What other show? As far as I'm aware, they only made southpark, and as the Simpsons has shown, Once you've been around long enough and gotten big enough It's really hard for big companies to throw-away a brand recognized show that rakes in money hand over fist so them being around 20 years means Jack-All. Your points are faulty and you've said nothing of substance.

[@NerdMiGerd]

@@silvertriforce2574 Okay really don't appreciate the sass here, and first off holy shit have you approached everything I've said in completely bad faith. First off just because a show is still on doesn't mean it's operating in its peak form, like... at all. Like the Simpsons have been running for over 30 years, but its respect and general reputation is a far, far cry from what it was in the 90's. Like if you want proof just think of how many people give a fuck about any other season of the show outside of 1-10. It's not just me or anyone saying it ain't good anymore, just look at the reputation on a broader scope. It went from a cornerstone of our culture to something that only comes up in passing mention. Also yes I have seen the good episodes from the later seasons of Family Guy, yes they are decent episodes, but they are often outliers from what the show is generally like at that point. Flanderization exists primarily in status quo shows for a reason. When you refuse to evolve your characters or setting in any meaningful way as a sitcom writer you often have to keep topping yourself on putting your characters in increasingly outlandish situations and lean harder into their pre-established comedic quirks. It's something that very much happened with Family Guy around seasons 6-10 (not speaking for recent seasons, haven't seen much of em so I just can't speak on what their quality's like), where because it's reliant on gag humor and often forgoes character writing for the sake of getting a bigger laugh it had to keep making its stories and characters more and more outlandish to keep itself surprising, but when you aren't grounding your story and just keep ramping up the antics of your characters things stop being shocking. Comedy is only as effective or transgressive when it's grounded in some base of character conflict or narrative, otherwise it's just noise. It's what Matt and Trey are expressing when venting about their frustrations working with "gag writers". And as Tariq said, both styles can be enjoyed, and have an equal right to exist. However, Matt and Trey *do* have a point in what they're saying. I know that as a screenwriter myself, regardless of how you feel about South Park they know what they're talking about, and I think if you'd stop whining about them being "pretentious" and actually listened to what they have to say about comedic story structure you'd really get something great out of it. Their "but/therefore" method is truly instrumental for novice writers of any medium, and what first got me to start improving my craft as a writer.

[@NerdMiGerd]

@@silvertriforce2574 Also not just me stroking the ego of Matt and Trey, Seth himself also has some enriching things to say about writing a comedy. I'll always remember his response to South Park showing Muhammed, and I think points out a flaw in their "anything and everything should be mocked" mindset. I really liked his more mature and nuanced take on the subject, effectively saying that you have to weigh if a joke is genuinely funny enough to be worth causing potential harm to yourself and others, and I think you see that a lot in how he ran the earlier seasons of Family Guy before drifting away from the series to work on other projects.

[@daniapfel2825]

​@@NerdMiGerd Yup

[@AnAverageGoblin]

@@silvertriforce2574 Found the butthurt family guy fan that wants everything to be a competition. sorry your parents never said they were proud of you lmao.

[@anayasykes6264]

can you talk about that one episode of bobs burgers where it was animated through 62 different styles from fans, it’s called brunchsquatch

[@thats_wacckk1998]

What happens in The remaining 14 minutes? Nothing interesting lol

[@lanceroberson3089]

Bob’s Burgers is wholesome content, the polar opposite of Family Guy.

[@othelliusmaximus]

You a Family Guy fan? Never knew 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@daniapfel2825]

Really

[@RattlesnakeJakey]

Very Matt and Trey to be like "the Simpsons should step aside and give more opportunities to us, 2 very successful edgy white guys"

[@TheSuckoShow]

"Here's what I hate about Family Guy **literally recites the entirety of that South Park episode front to back**"

[@daniapfel2825]

Yep scanalous

[@BabyGirlTiny]

South Park doesn’t do random gags though lol

[@MayorOfEarth79]

Something I've just kind of assumed about Matt and Trey from following them for years and reading/hearing them in various interviews and commentaries...they just seem to be very petty guys. Like they have beef with 95% of Hollywood for whatever they those actors/musicians represent from Brooke Shields to Phil Collins to Tom Cruise to George Lucas based on pure perception. They have pretty judgmental attitudes towards lots of people; but they do seem to have genuine affection for people they see as equals like Mike Judge or Conan O'Brien. It could also be because Matt/Trey are so much more involved with South Park's writing process; they've had more of a grudge there that the audience can feel. Seth MacFarlane on the other hand isn't as involved with Family Guy, but I think he's always been pretty friendly towards most people and actors. The sheer number of writers Family Guy has and how they see to view everything as equal targets including other animated shows feels like more of the reason for the smoke than anything Seth does in particular. And from what I've seen within the animation culture, people have disliked Family Guy's intense popularity and art-style (influencing the adult animation landscape) more than it's actual jokes. I think the problem here is that sometimes comedy writers or comedians can get very attached to the idea that their form of comedy is the best form of comedy and that they tell comedy with a purpose/artistry too it, but then they completely dismiss how other forms of comedy make people laugh. Sidebar: Glad you included that clip of Family Guy doing the mildest observation on Bojack that sent Bojack fans into a complete tizzy. I don't think people really know how intense Bojack fans are; but hoo boy social media will show you the most extreme take everytime.

[@justfandomtings]

I never listened to any of Matt and treys commentary. But if that's true about them then that really sucks. I have seen more from Seth though, and he seems like a genuine guy.

[@nickrustyson8124]

Especially during early South Park, that was when the petty Celebrity Roast was at their meanest height

[@nickster99]

I can say with certainty that Matt & Trey just HATE Hollywood culture in general and try to shit on it as much as possible. MacFarlane on the other hand is someone who embraces that culture. I have a strong feeling some of their disdain for family guy subconsciously boils down to that. I have to say though, I don’t get a sinister impression of any of them though. They’re all just funny guys who are passionate about what they do

[@TheAeris07]

I stopped watching Family Guy and never watched an episode since because I hate Seth for getting King of the Hill canceled to replace with another one of Seth's shows.

[@markx322]

Family Guys Bob's Burgers disses are so petty. And it made it so much funnier on the self deprecating gag we recently got.

[@NeonTwilight]

I know it's not that serious but I be ready to fight when they knock on Bob's Burgers

[@countravioli69]

no bc same it's the most intense hyperfixation I've had in a while and I will defend it till my last breath. it's too good to be disrespected.

[@Mathue360]

I found myself going through phases where I favor one show more than the other. I love Bob's and I'm appreciative of what it's done to the other shows around it. That's what happens though a new style of art comes out is popular and then other shows emulate that in their own way.

[@PaintraSeaPea]

I wonder if the constant jabs at Bob's Burgers is just Family Guy's way of including it as "one of the guys" so-to-speak. Of course it comes off pretty mean-spirited since Bob's would never fight back on it, but I do think the "Emmy winners' discount" joke gives off the more playful vibe much better.

[@fresnuts3430]

Okay but why does no one ever talk about how great american dad actually is the writers know how to make things hilarious and engaging i juat dont see enough appreciation for american dad in the adult animation world super underrated

[@smilfusii4191]

As if Family Guy is ragging on Bob’s Burgers’ art style, it looks a thousand times better

[@manospondylus]

I don’t know how this episode was in the original dub, but it was great watching it in German because they actually got the German Family Guy voice actors for this episode to make it more authentic

[@LarnuuWorks]

5:45 Family guy's gag style writing extends within the main episode plots (not just the cutaways) and they can often derailed and undercut the story. Like the transgender Peter episode has a moment of plot based character driven moment when Quagmire's Dad (as the show usually refers to them) tells Peter that "faking being trans is wrong" in a sincere moment - for the scene to end with Meg coming into the bar post committing murder. There's an episode specific ongoing gag of Meg being a serial killer, and having her show up at a specifically LGBT bar of all places, uncomfortably places the two topics next to other; leaving room for misinterpretation that the writer is saying the two groups have a connection (connections that are bigoted to make). Also: In Family Guy A plots and B plots rarely come together and the "inciting incident hijinks" are more of a micro episode, establishing the main conflict and rarely coming back to play for a "full circle" moment. Curb Your Enthusiasm is a good example of a show that does both those things well in most episodes.

[@daniapfel2825]

Yeah

[@nickrustyson8124]

Honestly I like those lore cutaways, always hit harder once you realize, "Wait that wasn't a one off joke"

[@LarnuuWorks]

​@@nickrustyson8124 re-occuring bits can be funny, but has proven to muddle the message/intent. as far as cross episode canon for family guy, you can't put too much stock in "everything is canon" cause in that case the show falls apart. Quagmire's dad should never be a representative for sincere views of LGBT issues if you see Family Guy having a constant cohesive continuity, given there's a one off shock gag where her bangs her. See other characters as vehicles to tell jokes however, you can overlook viel things and just go with the moment (as long as the moment doesn't immediately get undercut or contradicted). Family Guy works great as "funny moments" better than really any other adult animated comedy - but as something you gets truely personally invested in; the show betrays itself and characters so much it's nearly impossible. It's diffrent than SouthPark's "nothing is sacrade" approach mind you, given the later never shys away from character's horrific actions and it went in with the approach - character's never got "ruined" cause they always were off the perc from day one. Cartman vs Scott Ternermin is perfect example, it was in the show's nature, it was on brand for the characters and it never brushed the moment under the rug and is like "that definitely happened." End of day, two widely diffrent styles - but my core point is the styles are even more diffrent than OG vid claims lol.