ADV: Passport to Calico (ghost town) CA 35+ Subaru's. Any Evil Spirits?

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This is one of those super long video's that's best enjoyed by cracking open your favorite cold beverage and sitting in your most comfortable chair. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the adventure.
4-12-2019: I did a crazy amount of research on the Honda Passport and the iVTM4 AWD system. It's quite expensive at $10K more than a base model Subaru, but you definitely get what you pay for. I strive to give the light off-road community "KEEPING IT REAL" content. This was a Fun Camping Weekend out at the Calico Silver Mines in Yermo, California. It was very nice meeting alot of you guys that have commented on my KZbin channel.
NAVIGATION LINKS:
05:22 Ch. 1 - Meeting w/ MtnRoo & Steep hill climbs
12:17 Ch. 2 - Making a 2019 Honda more off-road ready
16:45 Ch. 3 - Kramer's Arch (FLLEEEEEXX)
26:18 Ch. 4 - Kramer's Arch Subaru Redemption
29:40 Ch. 5 - Camp Mtn Roo and New Subaru Upgrades!!!
32:55 Ch. 6a - Trail Ride to the mines! 35+ Subies, 1 Honda
39:51 Ch. 6b - Spelunking?
44:01 Final Chapter: Riding back to Camp.
Video References:
Trail Recon - Calico Mountains Jeep Adventure Weekend - Day 1
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[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

***Update 4-22-19*** I've created a playlist of all the video's I found useful when doing research on the Honda Passport: kzbin.info/aero/PLOUus4YoLuarLZE9zN4L9tHMGxLgGT_cj It was amazing meeting everyone at the Calico Camping Trip. Many of you are people that have commented on my KZbin Channel or Instagram. My goal is to support the light offroading community. This goal is basically aligned with what MtnRoo believes in, using our vehicles to better experience the outdoors. Although the MtnRoo is centered around the Subaru brand, to the core, this group is open to all vehicles. Many Brothers and Sisters branch off to other brands. For example, our tour guide Tactical Tony use to drive a Crosstrek, but now he drives a Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro. I wanted to give a shout out to all the people I met in person: Chris and Nacho - SK Subaru Forester Ramon - Subaru Baja Turbo Rob - Jeep Wrangler Aaron - Subaru SJ Forester XT Big dude with the charcoal - Subaru Forester XT (sorry, I forgot your name) Henry - Subaru SJ Forester XT Moodz - Subaru Baja

[@TeamBoogie]

Nice meeting you as well...cant wait to do it again.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Robert Earles it was nice to finally trail ride with you in person. I was just two cars behind you most of the trip. Hey! You got a bit of screen time!

[@TeamBoogie]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring yea that was cool!

[@Deeboskim]

I'm always wondering why so many people that buy 4runners or Tacomas rarely or never go wheeling with them and don't really have much use for the few benefits of a body on frame vehicle. Many of them would be much better off with the value and real world practicality in my Subaru or your Honda, but it's america and apparently trucks are all that is man or something like that. Anyway nice video. The capability of your passport is pretty damn impressive!

[@GTboosted]

@@Deeboskim you are right about that. Why waste money of 4wd, low range, lockers, etc. The thing is it looks like he's a person that should have bought a Tacoma or 4 runner, Wrangler, etc. I see the mpg issue being referenced alot but let's not forget about resale value. The higher resale value of the Toyotas and Wrangler will close the gap of overall cost. Top it off that he would actually benefit of the better offroad capability it should be a no brainer.

[@dragonduel7909]

Your instagram postings are so short and unsatisfying! Been waiting for this! Please understand there are those of us out there living their Passport fantasies through you. Since you are the first to post real passport off road videos, it's your responsibility to help us....lol. awesome trip and vid, and THANK YOU :)

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Dragon Duel this vehicle is blowing me away. I use to watch videos of Tacoma’s, Nissan Xterra’s and would never think twice of taking my 2015 FXT up the trails they tread. I’m so impressed at my lightly modified Passport that I see difficult trails differently now.

[@davidvithayarath8324]

That was an awesome Calico trip. Awese video too.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

David Vithayarath You're a LEGEND!!!!!! Everyone! This is the Man with Balls of Steel that flew up the Kramers arch in his white Outback.

[@SaveTheManuals]

Definitely impressed by the Passport's crawling ability, that was crazy. Congrats! Also that Forester XT that climbed that hill - 😳 very impressive. Solid video 👍

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

#SaveTheManuals hey you’re lifted now! I want to see what 350 whp does up a steep hill! It’s make for one hell of a video!

[@gdahl2]

I’m the guy that posted this video on our Passport forum, this is a great video. You are showing us what our Passports can do if we dare. I feel bad if I run over a curb when making a right turn :)

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks for sharing! I'd be more active on the forums, but I can't get the tapatalk app to work with it.

[@ColoradoDashCam]

Awesome work, love the mods. I take my 1st gen Pilot through no shortage of rough stuff, love to see other Hondas out there doing the same. Subbed!

[@fshnbum1]

Just found your channel. I'm a long time Toyota guy, but can truly appreciate what you're trying to do. This looks like an incredible amount of fun. Keep it up, from a new subscriber.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

fshnbum1 thanks 🙏🏻! I appreciate Toyota, they set the standard for reliability. My Mother use to drive a little Corolla, my Dad has a first gen Avalon, I had a 2003 Celica/2008 FJ cruiser. It’s so strange to get heckled by Toyota guys, so thank you for letting me know there’s plenty of cool Toyota guys! *I live very spontaneously, and I want a vehicle that will be always ready* (adverse weather and moderate offroad trails), *while being reliable and able to take me further than the traditional 4x4*. Hey! That should be my vision statement! Thanks for your support 🙏🏻

[@crv20051]

Love to see that Passport make it, thanks for the video, really appreciate it. It is a fun car to drive on road too!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Northstar7, You're welcome and you're totally right about the Passport being fun on the road. I need to make a video about how great the Passport is on pavement. It's quick, smooth, luxurious... and IT DRIVES ITSELF!!! the cabin of this vehicle is such a pleasant place to be!

[@alejandro11000]

Awesome man! right in my backyard, literally ! No wonder I saw a bunch of Subies, 'Yotas, and a whole bunch of off-roading vehicles I believe earlier this week around old hwy 58 in Barstow. I've been wanting to trade-in my Civic SI for a Passport (Honda Fanboy, lol) but did'nt know how good it was until running into your channel. Looking forward getting into to off-roading. Awesome content man keep it up!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

There were a whole lot of us for sure! over 38 vehicles! Everyone is doing it (buying crossovers/SUV's), don't resist!

[@wandizhang]

Man you bad ass!! Love your video, and even though I would never bring my Passport doing the same stuff you do, it is nice to see how capable the i-VTM4 is!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

This Honda Passport is impressive! But I am not a badass! 😃 I bought a Honda Passport so I can crawl up obstacles slowly and safely while still getting crossover-like MPG’s!!!! Thanks for the awesome comment Jazzme!

[@softroadingthewest]

Fantastic episode as always! I tell you what, the 48 minutes *flew* by...I was surprised when it was over. That Passport is a beast, really enjoyed seeing you put it through its paces...really impressive performance. The finned transmission pan looks very interesting, I'll have to see if it will work on my 4EAT - I'd rather have that than a skid plate. Thanks Jon, great work, highly informative and highly entertaining!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

softroadingthewest thanks Donald! When editing this episode, I was surprised when my original cut ended up being 55 minutes long. I had to scrub through and shave off some excess minutes. I guess that’s a testament to how much fun we had. It was never a dull moment. The transmission pans are for the 4EAT. You can contact subiworks to confirm fitment.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Donald, I confirmed that the new super tough oil pans will fit any 4EAT transmission, regardless of model year.

[@softroadingthewest]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring That is awesome, this approach makes a lot of sense to me, thanks for the heads-up Jon

[@tmwall25]

the new outback xt onyx !!!! might be the new forester replacement

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

I don't know tmwall25. Subaru did us Forester XT owners "DIRTY". I don't care about the brand of vehicle I drive, I'm not a fan boy, and with all that said, I'm super happy I can represent the Old Subaru Spirit through this Honda Passport! it's the PASTPORT!!! back to the good Ol Days!

[@toxictabasco]

Wow... amazing adventure. I live my offroad life vicariously through your adventures.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

I wonder if that's on the same level as me living vicariously through Joe Robinet and his minimalist Outdoorsman survival trips. Have you ever seen those? It's mind boggling he can thrive with just a knife! Thanks for your support, I hope I can share more adventures with you!

[@BernonCars]

Another great video!!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks Bern! Why is KZbin flagging your comments? I have to approve them? Haha!

[@1MarkKeller]

Honda would do well to use these videos to prove that the Passport is a capable off-roader.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Mark Keller I feel like Honda is totally keeping the offroad capabilities a secret. Honestly, most people think the Honda Ridgeline, Pilots and Passports simply have the same AWD system found in the HRV and CRV when they actually have mechanically the same AWD system found in 2016+ Acura’s. They really should let the general public be aware of iVTM4, especially since the CRV is getting dogged by automotive journalist for being a vehicle to avoid due to reliability issues.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Oh, and I’ll gladly let them use my footage 😉

[@subazealand9158]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring so true about the AWD. But I also found the current generation of CR-V it has a much decent AWD than before... I think Honda is playing good cards on this game, but they are not telling much.

[@bruceyyyyy]

I found out my crawl ratio kinda sucks watching this video. Thanks for that! The Honda system seems to have come a long way. I remember the 90s CRV was kinda junk. Pretty impressed by what they offer now!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

I’m sorry bruceyyyyy 😭!!!! Well actually, Honda still offers that same “junk” AWD system in the HRV and CRV. The iVTM4 system is only offered in vehicles on the “Honda light truck architecture”. This is an “upscale” system and is mechanically similar to 2016+ SH-AWD. The lowest price point to purchase an iVTM4 equipped vehicle is about $35K. This isn’t meant to compete with an entry level Subaru, but it will compete with a 2020 Outback XT Onyx. Bruceyyyy, you and me both know what we can expect from the 2020 Outback XT. All modern Subaru’s since the 2012 Impreza boasts similar capabilities (which isn’t a bad thing!!). Keeping it real, the Passport is a cut above. I also need to point out, that while the Honda Pilot and Ridgeline share the same iVTM4 AWD system. The transmissions differ! Only the upper trim 2019 Honda Pilots have the 2nd gen ZF9 speed transmission. All Honda Ridgeline and Lower trim Pilots have the Honda 6 speed. The crawl ratio is only 14.3:1.

[@bruceyyyyy]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring That Onyx sure is tempting. If it comes with the VTD TR690 it might be enough to push me over the edge. I'm still not sure if that dual mode x mode is a marketing gimmick or not. I haven't seen someone push the new fozzy to it's limit yet. Otherwise yea, It's like they built that car just for me. Having no car payment sure is nice though. We took a friend with us in a "4WD" CRV a few years back. It seemed to be front wheel drive only and he would have to spin the front wheels a lot for the rear to kick in. Maybe it wasn't functioning right but after that I was never really impressed with that Honda AWD system so I kind of wrote them off. Thanks for showing the differences here!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

bruceyyyyy Dual Mode Xmode is legit! The guy in the 2019 Forester observed improved capability in dirt and rock mode (correction, snow and dirt). From the sounds of it, it basically addresses the CVT issues people bitch about, it actually let’s the wheels spin a bit more to get over more difficult obstacles. Everyone WROTE OFF Honda’s AWD system, and if an informed and intelligent individual like yourself was unaware that Honda had a different AWD system reserved for their more expensive SUV’s, then there’s no doubt, the average consumer won’t know either.

[@Away907]

This ivtm4 work on sending torque to rear left wheel 24:20 is amazing.

[@friz3584]

I was looking on getting the wrangler but because of your video and the informations in it I will be getting a passport!! Thank you for this informative video

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Dayang Demar I hope you make the right decision. If you want to hard core off-road, the JL wrangler is a solid choice. If you’re like most people and spend 90-95% of your time on pavement and go off-road to do activities and explore. The passport can be a solid choice. I just want to make sure you know the wrangler is a purposely built off-road machine and the passport is a unibody SUV that is capable than most crossover/SUV’s except a Jeep Grand Cherokee & body on frame SUV’s.

[@john-okc450]

First, Thanks for the video and the effort it took to create it. Second, my observations of having Low Range, having switched from Forester to Grand Cherokee, The Low range Transfer case is a godsend. Take the torque of your engine and multiply by 2.7. When I start up a 35deg hill, it will be in 3rd gear crawling, if I need more power I still have two more gears available. It is able to keep me in the sweet spot of the powerband, and when descending a hill it has 2.7 times the engine braking than if I was in 4high. (gear ratios are very short, top speed in 8th gear is 45 I think)

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

John-Okc, the difference between my 20.4:1 crawl ratio compared to my Foresters 14.4:1 is a night and day difference and this video will prove that. I can only imagine how awesome a 50:1 or even an 80:1 would be like! When I had the FJ cruiser, I wasn’t familiar with the concept of offroading. I just knew that the 4-L knob would make the SUV go really slow 🤣. And the 4-H would sap away 30% of my power.

[@franknowakowski3103]

We live in Montana and I have a 20212 Pilot. With BLIZZAK's all around it's amazing WHERE it will go. No lift moods at all, as you know clearance is the issue much of the time. Going to get a new Passport in the next month or so. Great video.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Frank Nowakowski awesome! Well, you’re going to want to see the video I’ll be releasing today. I take the Passport on a trail that goes from 4000 to 10000 feet elevation in 16 miles. We take a 2019 Honda Ridgeline and a 2019 Honda Passport. This trail is not Honda 6speed friendly, but the ZF9 speed handled it with no fuss. Stay tuned! This video will be for you.

[@franknowakowski3103]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring Will do.

[@projectkod]

If I hear crawl ratio once more.... Jk! good video man, keep em coming. Where are these events posted, we have a group element who likes to mess around these trail as well. Let me know dude!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Derek Wong, they are posted on @mtnroo_events on Instagram. Not all events are there, but the big ones are. They’re open to everyone. I’ve seen you’re group on Instagram! I looking forward to meeting you all one day’

[@robertmiller9271]

Sweet Vid of the Campout! Wished I made out to Kramer's arch, I cruised with you guys out for a second but lost you guys somewhere on an offshoot. Hope you to see you out in Big Bear!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks Rob! Yeah, we all got a little mixed up at the beginning, I thought we all regrouped l, so that’s unfortunate. We should probably do a car count next time 😃. I’ll try my best to make it out to big bear!

[@Away907]

VW Atlas has 20.124 "crawl" ratio too, tested it on the trail to Leavitt lake.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Nice! I didn’t realize it was that high!

[@standheizungenrehbein4575]

24:25 stare with open Mouth :) great Work with the Passport... Regards from Germany!

[@LionRunner]

Amazing video. Really enjoyed it..👍🏻👍🏻

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thank you Lion Runner!

[@kartboarder22g17]

Yes I'm 5 min. into the video and fully agree with you. The one negative of this drivetrain is, temp. lock out. As all of the locking/semilocking up of the rear drivetrain is happening in the rear of the vehicle it is not getting cooled like a Subaru center hydraulic multiplate is with all the transmission fluid helping to maintain temperature. Overall though this may never really lend itself to be an issue. This is cooler than cool. Passport has excellent cargo capacity! Excellent AWD system, plenty of naturally aspirated power. The only questionable thing is the transmission.... But sounds like they have fixed a lot of the earlier bugs from debute in 2016.....hopefully

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Driving sports TV does a pretty good job at explaining how the iVTM4 system cools itself: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iom2fGB4lK2clbs

[@anhelDondee]

Post more!

[@GridLineGo]

Agreed 👍

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks for the Support Angel! I'll make sure I don't go longer than 4 weeks without posting something :P

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@GridLineGo Thank bud! Hey! We still need to do that collaboration video one day! Let me get this thing lifted first, So it doesn't look so tiny next to the "HONDUZU!!!!"

[@GridLineGo]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring Haha!! Awesome! Sounds like a plan! I can't wait! 😁👍

[@GotterAdventure]

The VTM-4 systems are underrated!

[@WyattFamilyonUTUBE]

Love the video. Very impressive for both the Passport and your mods/driving. I'm not sure about your snorkel comment. You said it must be useful because you don't have dust in your air vents? The cabin air comes in at the base of the windshield and goes through a filter behind the glove box I think. You might want to check that filter after a trip or two to the desert. The intake you showed is only for the engine. You'll find that dust in your engine air filter. And the bigger concern for that height is water intake. Sorry if you were joking about that, I couldn't tell from the video.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks James Wyatt! Ha! About the snorkel comment, I don’t know how where the cabin air filter gets it’s air from. I’m just happy the dust is kept out. With my Subaru, dust would get in regardless, even with a new filter and recirculating turned on. I don’t even have to turn on recirculating in the Honda. I love it!

[@georgekarpouzis6108]

Total pucker at 10 Mins!

[@iamlim5197]

VTEC bby, ohh yeah!😍

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

That's right! VTEC kicked in YO

[@iamlim5197]

i think this is the time to change transmission fluid, cuz i saw your videos about off road a lots.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Almost, I plan to flush and replace the transmission fluid at 15k miles. I have 2k more to go.

[@iamlim5197]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring i think flush would damage the transmission and clutch. what is another solution?

[@rfunk727]

Finally, some more great off-roading with the Passport! Keep up the good work... Do you have to worry about this new 9-speed transmission kicking-out do to overheating on some of those rugged roads?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks Rick!, the Passport has the 2nd generation ZF9 speed transmission. The problems with the 2016-2018 Honda Pilot 1st generation ZF9 transmission overheating was due to cross contamination between coolant and transmission fluids. Those issues should have been resolved, so, to answer your question, NO, I am not worried. Honda handled the issue very well, upgrading the gaskets and sensors that lead to ZF9 transmission problems. Now regarding overheating on rugged roads, I think you're referring to a separate issue. On the TFL (The fast lane car/truck) a 2017 Honda Ridgeline overheated going up a moderate hill. Here's the video link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGbIdmlvbMake8k First of all, we don't know how sustained the hill climb was, TFL didn't disclose that information. Second, they left the Ridgeline in Sand mode. This locks the rear Differential and has a more aggressive throttle map (higher RPM). Third and most importantly, Honda Ridgeline's have a different transmission, LOL!!! The Honda six speed has a 3.359 First gear and 4.25 axles. This equates to a 14.28:1 crawl ratio. That crawl ratio is lower than my 2015 Forester XT's crawl ratio of 14.41:1. My Forester XT's transmission temp would constantly hit a damaging 240 degree's fahrenheit. During this trip to the Calico silver mines, my buddy in the burgundy Forester XT hit a max temp of 240, my max temp was 207 in the Passport. I was taking more difficult trails too! Even though I'm happy with the transmission in the Passport, I'm still going to purchase the Honda Heavy Duty transmission cooler just for added peace of mind.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

For reference, the Honda Passport has a 20.4:1 crawl ratio. If Honda uses their 10 speed down the road, in this vehicle, don't worry! It has a 5.25 first gear ratio and 4.17 axles. Crawl ratio is even more impressive at 21.89:1. You can get this in the new Acura RDX!!! Wowzers!

[@rfunk727]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thank you for the fast and informative reply.

[@sacariah123]

JonDZ Adventuring Do you have an ATF Cooler installed? If so, has that made any difference in off reading capability? Just got the Honda PP with ATF cooler installed for towing mostly. Just curious.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Hey Zach, I do not have the HD transmission cooler. I actually haven’t had any issues with my transmission temps getting high. 207 Fahrenheit max going up a really steep long hill. Although I plan to get one,... I really don’t need one unless I start towing things. The Passport has the same 9 speed transmission as a Jeep renegade trail hawk. I haven’t heard of those having overheating issues. I think many people confuse the Honda 6 speed and ZF 9 speed. The Honda 6 speed is actually prone to overheating.

[@dimwitrj]

That Forester XT that made it up used to be mine. Boy do I miss it, especially after seeing that clip.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Rj Albano after seeing it, I want to build one! One day though. I’ve never owned a project car before. It’s so clean, I really like it 👌

[@dimwitrj]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring One day I'll build one all over again too.

[@moonsapling]

99 Forester S has LSD in the back Some trims of the 2006-2008 have LSDs in the back too. Newer ones relie on X-mode which does pretty well. Even now with the new X-mode it allows wheel spin and still does the job of an LSD.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks for your Trivia comment!!! The newer Subaru’s are definitely have open differentials in the front and rear. However the center diff is controlled by clutch packs. With Xmode torque is split 50/50 instead of 60/40.

[@moonsapling]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring Yeah, still i can see Subaru is pushing their vehicles more and more towards offroad capabilities. And i gotta say your Honda is amazing. I wonder why people dont offroad it so much. Its a hidden gem in terms of capabilities!

[@lookoutman1970]

We used to camp right at Kramer’s arch back in the early 70’s through the early 80’s. Probably looks a lot more abused than it did back then.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Wow! I could only imagine how the place looked back then. Most of Calico was actually pretty darn clean, and the Kramer’s arch area looked pretty pristine. No graffiti or trash. I wonder how much erosion there has been compared to 40-50 years ago. Thanks for sharing!

[@dixy2k]

A larger diameter tire will lower your crawl ratio. A lift kit should increase the approach and departure angle. I don't know if the one available to Pilot will work on a Passport too. I would assume, but not sure. Airing down will help a lot in passing through difficult obstacles off road.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

D. Alex Oprea that’s correct! The taller tires are a 6.8% increase, changing my crawl ratio from 20.4:1 to 19.0:1. It’s still really darn good! And the benefits from a taller tire will edit: typically outweigh the loss in wheel torque. A taller tire means I can more effectively air down. A taller tire also means I have more ground clearance. A change from 8.1” to 9.1”. I have 9-1/4” clearance at the rear diff support bar. About the lift kit. I have it ordered and will attempt to install it next week. I’m going to stay quiet until the installation is successful.

[@dixy2k]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring Cool. I am thinking about a Passport and want to slightly modify it. Mainly lift kit and slightly larger tires. I also have a dedicated off roader, but thinking about the Passport as a daily driver and a more comfortable ride if I want to take it on really mild off road trips.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@dixy2k I love my slightly modified 2019 Honda Passport EX-L as a daily driver. Compared to the FJ cruiser and 2015 Forester XT, it's a much comfortable ride. The cabin is a nice place to be. The VTEC V6 is unbelievably powerful. How can a little 3.5V6 move a 4200+ vehicle 0-60 in 5.8 seconds (according to Car and Driver). it always amazes me. I feel like there's some kind of forced induction system built into the engine. Honda's V6 seems to be a solid 1 second quicker than it's competition. If this will be your daily driver, then passing power might matter to you :P I'll be lifting my Passport next week with a 2inch front and 2inch rear lift kit. I'll let you know how much this lift kit will affect ride quality.

[@dixy2k]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring The transmission has a lot to do with the perceived power it puts on the pavement. It does not need to wind up and take a long time for the engine to get into the power band as with many other cars with less gears inside the tranny. Having so many gears closer in ratio, the engine stays in the power band more often than not therefore it does not struggle to "get up to speed". Imagine you are driving a 4 or a 5 speed tranny car but you are able to manually change gears and you hold a gear for longer than normal. Kinda the same effect here. My SUV has a 2.80 first gear and 1.53 second gear. It's a huge drop in RPM due to gearing and the engine feels it struggles. It needs time to wind up and get back into the power band. It feels sluggish. Does the Passport and Pilot share the same suspension? Will the lift kit made for Pilot fit the Passport?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@dixy2k about the transmission, I know, I just find it very impressive. Vtec helps too, and Honda easily makes one of the best 3.5 V6's in the business. The Ridgeline lift kits are compatible with the Pilot. According to Honda Marketing, the Ridgeline's suspension parts are 50% different(more robust) than the Pilot. This leads many to believe that the lift kit will also work with the Passport. Just as long as the strut top hats are the same shape, the lift kits should work. I'm going to be a guinea pig! I'll let you know how it goes!

[@PatrickRich]

hey, i know that guy! I'm actually writing now for AutoAnything.com these days. in fact my next article is on differentials, should be dropping soon, I'm thinking mo day. thanks for the kinds word john.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Patrick! I really appreciate you! Please link us your article 😃

[@boomtownav]

Perfect ending with Michael picking his nose...

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

You made me look! turns out, I think he was scratching his nose. Hey, I know I give you a random middle finger everyone know and then, but I'm truly grateful for everything you do. Thanks for the spotting, thanks for the food, thanks for the laughs! Imma put a benadryl in your beer next time we hang out so you can tune down the energy a notch of two, haha!

[@Rob81818]

How did the 2019 Forester do throughout? Any signs of struggle and improvement that can be done?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

It was 100% stock, and as you saw, that wasn't exactly the easiest trail to take one on it's christened voyage. IMO, the 2019 Forester did great! I've been watching video's comparing the new 2019 Rav4 and the 2019 Forester. My observations is that the Forester still has a better AWD system, and is more ready all the time. However the 2019 Rav4 with it's very aggressive first gear has a Superior drive train, it does better for climbing steep loose gravel hills. The 2019 Forester struggled with some of these steep climbs with loose terrain. The stock tires were the culprit and with upgraded tires, the Forester will do much better. So there's definitely room for improvement. According to the driver of that 2019 Forester, the dual stage X-mode worked great. He said he was able to notice a difference when he used Dirt and Snow mode during his lose gravel hill climbs. From the sounds of it, if you're choosing between a 2019 Forester 2.5 or a 2020 Outback 2.5, I think the Forester is the wise choice for offroad. It's silly that you have to buy an ONYX edition, just to have dual stage xmode in the upcoming outback. There's going to be lots of Blacked out Outbacks, I hope they made enough!

[@Rob81818]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring I appreciate your feedback! AT tires definitely, would've made a difference tackling that terrain. I just ordered wheels and G015 tires to go with it so i m excited for that. Yea it is silly for only adding the dual Xmode on the higher trim levels, but the 2020 Outback does have the option for the XT trim and I wish that they did include the turbo on the Forester as an option as well. I'm glad youre happy with your Passport and i'm very surprised at the capability of the Honda. Hope to go overlanding with you all after i complete my upgrade.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Rob Mascarinas oh man! I was so bummed when I found out Subaru would not longer offer the turbo in the Forester. So the G015 is a tire that served me well. It’s excellent on ice and not to shabby on snow. I think it’s main weakness is rock and loose gravel 😦. While it is a slight improvement, I found a tire like the Hankook DynaPro’s to be so much more grippy on dirt, gravel and rock. Don’t worry! These are tires, and if you’re not happy with them, you can choose different ones next time around 😃. You picked a Great starter tire!

[@Rob81818]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring there's not plenty of choices for 225/65r17 sadly, there are literally 3 choices lol, what do you think of KO2? That was my other choice. The other is a Pirelli Scorpion All terrain Plus..

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Rob Mascarinas I think the KO2 is overkill. Super heavy and it’s well documented, they kill MPG’s. 2014-2018 Foresters can go with 235/65R17’s and there’s a lot of selection at that size. Or, you can drop to a 16 or 15 inch wheel.

[@MrAllisonguru]

Awesome video! Where exactly was all those trails at Calico?

[@seanstewart6292]

the 99 was the only year of the LSD in the forester at least at first. it was also in the 06 outback L.L.Bean h6 also.

[@omarallababidi]

very nice videos, definitely following up on your upcoming lift, could you share how much it cost you?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thank you Iponu. Yes, lift is by Traxda I purchased the 2 inch lift kit (includes (2) 2” front spacers, (2) front sway bar links, (2) 1” strut spaces. $377 for the kit. I do not recommend anyone tries to install this lift by themselves unless they have all the special tools and a helper. If you live in Southern California, go see Nathan Robinson at Jim’s Auto Service. [phone]. I’ll be making a video about this lift and what tools were used

[@lavatikan6914]

Do you have a video by chance of how you cut the bumper? I’m doing a slight build on my Passport and kinda wanna cut mine slightly

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Unfortunately I don’t. I have this Instagram post about it. It’s just a picture though. instagram.com/p/BwAmPIrANhA/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= . I used a dremel with plastic cut wheel. The job takes a steady hand and some confidence. Line your cut with some painters tape to help guide your hand.

[@us-nic6121]

Hello JonDZ, thanks for your videos! I was wondering if a set of 265/60R18 AT tires would fit in the passport? Thanks 🙂

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

US-NIC you’re very welcome!! there will be slight rubbing with 265/60R18 all terrain tires.

[@Fadic4]

Nice videos

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thank you Fadic4!

[@upperleftnorthwest4278]

Gotta give you props on your build and being one of the first to take advantage of the passports capabilities but i must ask why a passport over a similarly priced 4runner. Im assuming a mid tier passport is about the same as a base SR5?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks 🙏🏻! I’ve been asked this question so many times. Well, I’ll tell you this. Hands down, the Passport is a better vehicle in street driving, and I think anyone would agree. It’s also bigger and has 20% more interior volume. It also can truly get 24 mpg while driving at 70mph on the highway while the 4 runner will really get 15 mpg doing 70 on the highway. The only thing the 4 runner has going for it is it’s offroad capability. Now, seeing how capable this Passport was, how much more capability does the average adventure seeker need? There’s my answer. Let’s hope the ALL NEW 2021 Toyota 4 runner doesn’t disappoint! I have friends holding out for that vehicle! By the way, I use to drive a 2008 FJ and I hated that thing. Steering deadzones and crap MPG’s isn’t for me. 😃

[@davidd8892]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring I keep seeing this 15mpg at 70 mph which is off a bit. I have almost 33's on my trd orp 4runner with a 2 inch lift and doing 80 i get 16-17. Before the lift and tires i was getting 18-19. I havent towed with it but that would def. make it drop below 15 mpg. Also the part where you go up the hill that was all sandy, the crawl ratio really doesnt do much there, what you needed was a boat load of momentum, rev that honda! thats what they are best at

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

David D the internet is harsh, even on Toyota’s, and critics around the web argue that 4 runners get “Bcuz 13 mpg”. The TRD FJ I drove got 15 mpg if lightly driven. That thing had BFG KO1’s, a large roof basket an undefined 239 hp 4.0 V6, that thing was a hog. I totally can believe a more modern (while still a bit ancient) 270 hp 4runner with updated engine can do a little better. Thanks 🙏🏻, I guess I’ve been living in the past, I’ll update my numbers. And yes! I need to use more momentum on the hill climb. During the chatter with my buddy, I mention crawl ratio and then I mention... “uh, it probably wouldn’t matter, I was losing grip”. That’s the first time I ever attempted a climb like that, I was just trying to get a feel for it. I meant to try again, but since the vehicle Is a relatively new ride, I thought I would take it easy. Even going through that arch, I was babying it. I would inch forward and then hit the brake, inche forward and hit the brake. I wasn’t even two footing it. The whole time I drove like a noob 👶.

[@davidd8892]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring Yea i think they probalby did change a few things, i didnt even know the FJ had less hp.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

David D they gave the FJ a 20 HP bump in 2010 (total of 259hp), then a +1 hp increase for 2011-2014. I guess Toyota keeps revising the engine to squeeze more and more from it. No one is sure what powerplant the next 4runner will have. Some say it may have a performance hybrid v6. Some are scared of the idea of a hybrid (especially during water crossings) but Toyota doesn’t make many mistakes. The 4 runner is designed to be driven offroad (it’s on Toyota’s website) and I’m sure it’ll still be dependable and capable as ever. I really really really do hope they don’t use the Tacoma 3.5. I love the 4.0’s grunt, and utilizing the surging characteristics of that engine was so much fun. Before I purchased my Honda Passport, I actually walked into a Toyota dealership. I found out I wouldn’t comfortable fit in a Modern Toyota Tacoma. The 4 runner was off my radar because I knew that the brand new model is just about a year away. I do find it much more comfortable and spacious compared to the Tacoma. Even at 19mph highway, I just wanting something a bit more fuel efficient. I As much as I wanted to wait, I felt I was in a predicament, and I needed to get into sometime a bit more reliable, and this passport (i felt), fit the bill.

[@joshsanker7846]

Does the Pilot have this same VTM system? I've done a little bit of research and from what I can find looks like the previouse gen would only send 25% of power to the rear wheels. I'm curious if the current gen will also send 70% like the new Passport?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Josh Sanker, Honda 2016+ Pilot, 2017+ Ridgeline and Acura MDX 2016+ have the same iVTM4/SH-AWD system as the Passport.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Josh Sanker these vehicles do have different transmissions. Either the Honda 6 speed or ZF9 speed automatic transmission.

[@joshsanker7846]

Hopefully the 9 speed won’t be so problematic as the 6 speed.

[@1483Frenchman]

My 2003 outback 5 speed...LSD center and rear

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Jesse that sounds like quite the ride! Would you trade yours in for a 2019 Outback?

[@1483Frenchman]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring no sir, i like the older ones a bit more. I'm currently investing in a dual range

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Jesse I was being left behind by the older Subaru’s when I had my 2015 FXT. Between a SF Forester, SH Forester and my SJ Forester XT I noticed that all 3 vehicles behaved differently. I was most impressed by the 1st and 2nd generation Foresters. Good luck on your transmission conversion! Sounds like you have one hell of a vehicle 👌

[@ibdustin15]

Thinking about Jsport Lift Kit with Ridgeline 18"x8" Rims with either 265/60 KO2's....... what are your thoughts? Think you could squeeze on 275s with my setup?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

ibdustin15 you would have to trim the front wheel well. It’s not very difficult to do, and the cut is through really thin metal. Maybe 1/16 to 1/8 inch thick metal.

[@giorenaud9657]

How big can you go in the back. For the back wheels?

[@rondail5675]

JonDZ, did the Passport ride 'softer' after you took off the low-profile tires?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Ron Dail it’s hard to tell. The Honda Passport has dual stage road dampening shocks. Out of all the 3 tires I’ve had so far (stock 245/50R20, Dynapro 255/60R18, Cooper discovery ATS 265/65R18) the smoothness seemed similar (although I did zero offroading in the Oem wheels and tires). What I noticed the most, was that the wider 255 tire seemed to handle better. I felt these were much more sure footed. I was very happy with 255 wide tires. I can’t tell the difference between the 255 and 265’s.

[@AdamRobles8]

I see you did a lot of crawl ratios, how did you calculate? I have the Subaru ascent and would like to know how it would compare on your chart.

[@AdamRobles8]

First gear is 3.227, axel ratio is 4.444

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Adam Robles that’s a really easy answer. To calculate crawl ratio, simply take 1st gear and multiply by the axle ratio. If a vehicle has a transfer case, simply multiply that in too. To find the gear ratios for a vehicle, do a google search “[your vehicle] gear ratio”. I did a search on your Subaru Ascent, and this is what we have. subarumedia.iconicweb.com/mediasite/attachments/19MY_Ascent_specs-FINAL.pdf

[@AdamRobles8]

Oh and your passport is awesome btw!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Adam Robles so crawl ratio is 14.56

[@AdamRobles8]

JonDZ Adventuring thank you sir.

[@overlandsubaruinternationa2378]

i would love to try mine

[@JustinAbroad]

Glad you got rid of those 19s

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Tidwell, they were actually 20’s 🤣. I got rid of those wheels on day 2 of owning this thing.

[@mikemiller7117]

Can I hook up with you guys? Im in Glendale, CA by the LA Zoo.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Of course! MtnRoo events is open to everyone. You don’t even need a Subaru, they still let me hang out with them in my Honda, haha! Here’s the next camping event: instagram.com/p/Buo_G_5gUdb/?igshid=1v73agc8pt36a Here’s an upcoming trail run: instagram.com/p/Bxnfd23Jn1p/?igshid=vngxe20rcour

[@eliasss4346]

Subaru outback 3.6R crawl ratio are less than 2.5? how is that possible?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

My guess is to protect the CVT. Crawl ratio = 1st gear x axle ratio, and that’s the way Subaru made the Outback 3.6R CVT

[@eliasss4346]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring sorry for the English but I'm learning but yeah I'm from Panama I bought a 2.5 outback 2018 and was watching videos about cvt transmission and this video very interesting and now subscribed to your channel

[@Benjamin-David]

What type of MPG are you avg?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Benjamin Speechly i haven’t had a chance to do a good Highway MPG test on my Passport yet. When I drove him after this trip, I was doing 90 mph going uphill carrying a lot of gear. I probably did about 15 WOT pulls. I ended up with 18.1 MPG. I was just following the speed of traffic (or going slightly faster). When I get the chance to drive up lonely 2 lane highways like the 395, I tend to just cruise at 72 mph. I really have the feeling I’ll be hitting 22-23 mpg. I know the Passport is rated at 21 city / 24 highway, so “how can I possible barely lose any MPG’s?” Well, I have 265/65R18 tires, and OEM equipment is 265/45R20. I have an OEM wide tire. So in actuality, the only mods that would reduce MPG’s would be my cargo carrier and the more aggressive treads in my tires. Bigger displacement engines respond to wind drag and friction much better than a turbo or smaller engine. I’m hoping to do a good test soon. I’ll let you all know in a future episode.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Shuffle3956 😃 haha! Thanks Shuffle!!! I took college level physics and I sure hated that class! So, correct me if I’m wrong, but a tire of greater weight will roll down a highway more efficiently, once that heavier object is in motion, friction will have less impact, and a taller diameter tire will, in its own way, improve gearing, thus improving highway MPG’s. That’s how it works right?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thank you! Good to know! Now, I need you to confirm something. My experience modifying my 2015 Forester wasn’t exactly the best experience. I tried running a roof cargo basket but I lost 5-9 mpg depending if I was driving 70mph or 80mph. I just noticed that the vehicle was so finicky to mods. I figured because the engine had a small displacement and a small turbo, my FXT was constantly in boost due to the increased friction of the tires and the increase wind drag of the cargo basket. Before I purchased the Honda Passport, I had this hunch that this bigger vehicle, with a bigger engine would respond to modifications much better. So far, it appears that my hunch is correct. Can you confirm this?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Shuffle3956 uh oh! So when I checked my tire pressure after driving from our campsite to the gas station I was at 30 psi (cold, i should have been at 25 psi). I aired up to 42 psi, with the goal of getting my tires to 38 psi after tire cool down. I check my tire pressure this afternoon and I was at 32!!! Super low! Oem psi is 37. I’ve aired up to 40 psi because I like to slightly over inflate A/T’s, plus, with all the extra weight I carry, that sounds about right! Pretty crazy I was still able to get 18 mpg calculated driving 80-90 mph with under inflated tires. I can’t wait to do a proper test at 72mph when I drive 270 miles from Los Angeles to Fort Independence up highway 395. Total elevation gain is 3500 feet. This is segment I love to use to measure highway MPG’s. When my 2015 Forester XT was stock with stock tires, I was able to hit 25.2 mpg, so I’ll use that as baseline.

[@willba4]

pitty you cant buy this car in australia :'(

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

William Brack, you guys have MUCH cooler vehicles than we do over here in the USA! I can only dream of having the choices you have 😭.

[@kingsoljah109]

What wheels and tires are you running

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Jamel Keeling wheels are KMC 820 Grenades 18”x 8” with a 38mm offset. Tires are 265/65R18 Cooper Discovery AT3 4S

[@kingsoljah109]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring thanks a mil

[@kingsoljah109]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring how did you go about adding the extra height ?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Jamel Keeling the first thing I did was mount taller tires. I went from a 29.6” tire to a 31.6” tire. This gave me an extra “full” inch of ground clearance. From 8.1” to 9.1”. That’s all I did for this video. Now my latest video is my 2 inch lifted Honda Passport, it’s taller than in this video! 😃

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Jamel Keeling oh, I had to cut and hammer away at the wheel well. Check out my Instagram on how I did this.

[@AA-nf2jl]

Would it be possible to put a slighly larger tire without modifications? or will you run into rubbing?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

The Honda Passports come with a 29.6 inch tire. You can run 255/60R18’s which is only 0.4 taller, which is only a 1/5 inch boost.

[@georgekarpouzis6108]

great video! Hey I’m down to wheel with you guys hit me up

[@kartboarder22g17]

2009 Subaru Outback limited or higher trim 2.5 has LSD and VDC.....

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

I’ll take your word for it! Surprised LSD’s in Subaru’s still existed in Post GM ownership. When I was looking at older Subaru spec sheets from the early 2000’s and it was nice to see that the premium trims had LSD’s and more aggressive gearing and/or axle ratio’s to make them more capable. I think Today’s Subaru should do the same. Imagine the new 2020 Outback with a proper transmission and rear LSD/Lockers?

[@kartboarder22g17]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring I haven't checked out the details of the 2020 outback other than I understand you can get it with Ascent drivetrain? If you have a pre VDC Subaru and are offroading it, I highly see why you would want to put in the multiplate clutch full lock switch. Then throw on that locker you have in the middle of this video. There would be a beast.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@kartboarder22g17 Old Subaru's without all the electronic Nanny's are super capable as is, but you're right, that locker will make one beast. Too bad a lot of people daily drive their older Subaru's and they worry about an Auto-locker. This is a good step in the right direction. With enough demand, maybe companies like ARB will start offering E-lockers! wouldn't that be something? I love the SG FXT at 11:12, I'd love to build one someday. In case you haven't seen this video, check this out. My buddy Wandering_Forester rock crawling his 1st gen Subaru Forester: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qp2wgZ2bq9ZqhbM

[@kartboarder22g17]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring Yes maybe some day...

[@Shibata63]

Don't know why you would want to compare the passports driveline to a Jeep compass or renegade, when they are the worst off road Jeep has to offer. Would rather have a base model Jeep wrangler

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

I think you left out the word “trailhawk”. You’ll have to use your noodle a little bit, but besides a 4 runner or Jeep Grand Cherokee, what “mid sized crossover” is going to have a transfer case or let alone, a 20:1 crawl ratio? You missed the point, Jeep calls a 20:1 crawl ratio 4-Low. Honda doesn’t. You need to ask yourself why Jeep is calling a 4.71 first gear coupled with 4.334 axles FOUR LOW? That’s your brand bruh! Why are they calling it that?

[@RyansJeepGarage]

Hey, Jeep enthusiast and Wrangler owner here. The Compass and Renegade are incredibly capable machines even in the non trailhawk form. You gotta remember it’s not designed to be a wrangler and never will be. It’s designed to be THE MOST capable in its segment, which it excels at. They are incredibly capable machines and can take on way way more then the average Joe thinks they can

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Yep Ryan 👍, and Subaru owners are aware of that (well, we.. I use to be one... give the nod to the trail hawk versions). So, when I found out the Honda Passport has the same 20.4:1 crawl ratio as a renegade and Compass, I was very very excited! My goal with this Honda isn’t to compete with a 4runner or Grand Cherokee, my goal was to hit that renegade/compass capability in a larger more powerful vehicle that could achieve 22 Mpg highway at 70mph. I think I hit my goal! Thanks for keeping it real 👌

[@davidd8892]

They arent jeeps per say, its a fiat 500 with a different body :p

[@RyansJeepGarage]

David D it’s a fiat 500 chassis, motor, and transmission. Jeep has different suspension under it, different rear axle, different transfercase, different traction control, etc

[@firebir11]

Your smelling clutch packs, they’re frying.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

firebir11 are you talking about the issue with the previous gen Pilot and 1st gen Ridgeline? The 2016+ Honda Pilot, 2017+ Ridgeline and 2019 Passport have a different AWD system called iVTM4 instead of just VTM4. The way the rear diff works is different. They can handle more sustained heat. The shocks bursting due to constant stress was also another issue that was addressed. Here, watch this, very interesting stuff. Watch as a Honda Ridgelines Shocks survive the washboard roads of California's Mojave desert. Accompanying the Ridgeline is the Toyota Tacoma TRD Offroad and as a recovery vehicle, they brought the Nissan Titan XD. The Ridgelines shocks survive, the Tacoma TRD offroad had all 4 shocks blow out, the Nissan titan had all 4 shocks blow out. You’re going to school to day, and you’re very welcome 😃. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYi8onifo7N6i68

[@Krel-888]

Im planning to buy this. But my eyes are on 4runner, anyone that have this. Is it reliable? How good is it on really long road trip? Is it comfortable? How is it on the snow? Performance?. Thanks, would appreciate y'all feed backs about the car itself.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

The creed did you want more info about the passport or the 4Runner?

[@Krel-888]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring yes please. Thanks,

[@natecurrier]

The CVT is a bummer. Had a 16 FXT, and did some stuff like he did, and it suffered.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Mine died too man 😢. I’ve been meaning to do a video on how my CVT died and how Subaru owners can protect their CVT’s, but it’s hard to find the motivation. I’ll make it one day. I feel the 2.5 guys will have a harder time destroying their CVT, but look at what happened to hijack Secondary and his 2018 Forester 2.5. He destroyed his CVT too. I think the best way to look at how much abuse a CVT can handle is to look at how much of a turbo tune Cobb was able to run on the FXT and WRX. It could not handle anything past a stage 1 turbo tube. So knowing that, if you have a CVT Subaru, don’t push it too hard! Don’t lay into the gas pedal! If you fail a steep hill climb, just let off the gas, back up, and use more momentum. If your stuck in deep snow or mud. Get out and shovel yourself out. The CVT is NOT for enthusiasts! There’s different levels of enthusiasts. Let’s break down these levels to stage 1, 2 and 3. Treat your CVT Subaru no higher than enthusiast stage 1 (just like a Cobb tune). 44:30 is the perfect example, the Subaru’s that could handle a stage 2 Cobb tune went up on the rocky side. A CVT Subaru is still a great vehicle, just know it’s limitations and keep that transmission alive! I hope this helps! With all this said, will Cobb offer a stage 2 tune for the 2020 Outback XT? No? Well, you better baby the thing then.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

OMG!!! You’re Subaru Ambassador SubieN8 !!! The guy with the burgundy Forester XT that was featured on TFL!!! Geez... I know so many people with 2014-2018 FXT’s that have had their CVT’s go out 😭. It’s really sad. The newer FA24DIT engines are still using the same TR690 HT-CVT, just with improved small parts. So hopefully they’re improved enough. From one car lover to another, It truly breaks my heart to see people go through these problems.

[@natecurrier]

That’s me! I miss it though. Yeah my trans was replaced at 17k. Oh well. I’m about to lift my Legacy 2” and another inch with taller tires. It’ll remind me of the Volvo CrossCountry sedan. Loving your Passport, by the way!!!

[@Jeepingshort]

Why wouldn't you just get a 4runner? I'm genuinely curious.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Please see the above pinned post :P

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Chase Short okay, I’ll give you a real answer. Watch this video, go to the end where actually start doing Kramer’s arch (the easy way): kzbin.info/www/bejne/anWohp-JqLKlas0 How much more capability do you need and is that extra capability worth getting 9 mpg less? My slightly modified Passport is still getting 23 mpg highway at 70mph, compare that to a stock 4runner getting 15 mpg highway at 70mph.

[@batuaerial213]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring I have 08 GX470 V8 (AKA Land Cruiser Prado) and I have a 2.5" lift kit on it. I still get 19mpg at 70mph on the highway. Are you sure 4runner gets 15mpg on the highway? sorry but I wish you should've have gotten proper offroader and dependable truck/SUV instead of trying to modify HONDA.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

I use to drive a 2008 FJ cruiser. TRD edition with the same 4.0 V6 as a 4runner. Do you have experience driving Subaru’s or Honda’s? And why are you so concerned with what I drive? Why do you want me to deal with steering deadzone and float? And.... 15 mpg? I’ll take your word for it, that your GX470 can get 19 mph highway. I guess it makes sense, Ford will be putting in 8.0+ liter v8’s in their upcoming super duty’s because they get better highway MPG than their smaller v8’s.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Also... a 2.5 inch lift will reduce MPG’s by a fraction of a MPG. It’s the wider tires that will end up eating away at MPG’s, also the switch from Highway/terrains to All/terrains. **So are you running highway/terrains?** I respect Toyota, they just don’t make a vehicle I would want to buy right now. That can change in the Future.

[@newtestamenttacticaloutdoo6880]

20:1 crawl ratio ain’t good bo

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

New Testament Tactical & Outdoors neither is 36:1, but we all don’t need a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon with a 76:1 crawl ratio to get out and overland. This is not an offroading channel, no gatekeeping here 😃

[@nickenomics]

It worked

[@luckyyou774]

Is subi had 6spd trans it would be a great car, CVT👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Lucky you, I enjoyed my 2015 Forester XT because, overall, it was good vehicle. The Subaru AWD system and the addition of X-mode was so good, it made up for the deficiencies of the CVT. You are right! Give these modern Subaru’s a proper transmission and greatness will return! Even without a rear LSD, I think they’d make it up the Obstacle I crawled up. Xmode basically locks up the center diff, the brake based AWD system would probably be enough to power up the obstacle, just needs a transmission to actually put the torque down. There’s no sign they’ll be giving up on the CVT. They’re getting really long in the tooth and starting to reach ancient 10 year status. Let’s see what Subaru announces about the new WRX/STI. If the new WRX ditched the CVT, there will be HOPE!! If the new WRX’s still have the CVT, then hope is lost for another 5 years.

[@luckyyou774]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring i was going to get XT but i hated cvt. That car needs better transmission. 2.0 turbo is good engine. If you look up earlyer model turbo foresters are beast .

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Well yeah.... 11:09 it’s THE BEAST!