Advanced Elements Airvolution 2 vs. Sea Eagle 473RL RazorLite inflatable kayaks

These are just my first impressions and opinion.
Not pretending to be an expert or having done any serious scientific testing.

[@bendoucette3530]

Hello Jack, Thank you for your help in my inflatable kayak research. I think you should be a lecturer. The information and presentation of your videos are top notch. All the best, Ben from Nova Scotia

[@tkelsey4183]

Jack, my 473RL finally arrived (3 month wait due to disrupted pandemic global supply chain). My wife and I already used it a couple of times on one of the Raleigh, NC area reservoirs. We're super happy with it and we want to THANK YOU!!! I began looking for an entry level inflatable but after seeing your reviews and comments I quickly settled on the 473RL. As you said it's super quick to inflate with the included pump, and the base paddles seem good enough too. We didn't put in the foot braces and it was still easy to paddle. Plus it's really easy to transport, deflate, and dry out. Although it felt a little 'tippy' at first once we learned to keep ourselves centered we found it very stable. I'm also amazed how rigid it is once inflated. It's always great to get outdoors.. even more meaningful with the pandemic. Thank you for helping us and I'm sure many other people. We're thankful to be on assignment in Raleigh... makes kayaking even more enjoyable when looking at the already freezing temperatures back home in MN!

[@inneradventures]

I am delighted to hear that you are better off in part due to me. That's why I do this!

[@jipples9934]

Hi, Came across your channel as I got into inflatable kayaking this summer. Have found all your videos really useful and a good steer. I’m currently waiting for a SE Razorlite 393 to be delivered, having had a blast over the summer months on a £40 piece of rubbish that I bought from Aldi. If you continue with your kayak reviews, some longer time trials or something similar (like over a bit of more challenging river) comparing different models would be interesting. I’m going to probably pick up an intex K1 challenger based upon your review form a different video for my wife. I’m not rich enough to buy to SE 393’s, and before you say anything, the 473 was out of stock (but to be honest, I’d prefer the single man as that is what it’ll be used for 99% of the time) Thanks for the info! Top man.

[@simonjpierce]

Really enjoy your videos, thanks so much! I’m hoping to pick up an Excursion Pro over here in New Zealand once the international supply frees up a bit.

[@rose8662]

Thank you so much for your in-depth reviews. They are so helpful. Do you have any thoughts about folding kayaks? Do you have any experience with Oru Kayaks, for example? Thanks!!!

[@manot87]

As a big KZbin watcher, I can tell you, for all I know you have the best and most comprehensive kayak reviews. They are simply great. I can see the passion as it translates well into your videos. I am currently watching as I own a sailboat and am looking into getting another inflatable kayak as a tender for calm waters. I had a category 2 inflatable, but it ended up completely moldy as I was unable to properly dry it. Wish I had seen your videos before getting it. But if anything, continue like that, and if you have other passions or interests, why not extend your reviews to other stuff? As your approach is really interesting and useful. I am sure the views will follow..!

[@inneradventures]

Thank you very much for such a high compliment. I am actually working on the series of videos on the subject that I dedicated myself professionally to. It will be months before I put it out, but hearing reviews like yours certainly motivates me to work on it. THANK YOU!

[@nootgroof]

Can you do a little video on useful kayak accessories? Extra things you find useful to have?

[@waynebrucemanbat5787]

Nice review. Thank you. I think I’m still a fan of the Razorlite

[@AndrewSerff]

I'm new to the sport, so your videos have been a great help so far! I've watched your inflatable kayak videos and they seem to lead me towards a RazorLite, but I'm curious on your opinion of the RazorLite vs the Oru Haven Tandem. Or just folding kayaks vs inflatable kayaks in general. Keep up the great videos!

[@inneradventures]

I've only seen Oru tandem once on a lake. It's cool. But at $2500 I am questioning the value.

[@splitzable]

I can immediately see razorlite cutting thru the water more efficiently!

[@Intothewoods932]

Thanks for this video! I'm considering buying the 473rl to paddle solo, and am just wondering if you find it hard to maneuver solo, especially when filled with camping gear? And also, are you able to adjust the placement of the seat so that it's closer to the middle?

[@rodkat7677]

Great videos, I chose an Aquaglide chelan 155, would love to see a comparison with a couple of similar kayaks

[@seehongkongsea]

Nice videos! Btw I’ve always wanted to ask you, do you have a favourite inflatable kayak?

[@TheKayakCrew]

Thanks for your video, very informative and a great comparison. Personally, I'd probably prefer the stability of the Airvolution over the speed and extra storage of the Sea Eagle.

[@reallyhappenings5597]

try the sea eagle Fast Track then

[@TheKayakCrew]

@@reallyhappenings5597 Thanks, I have quite heavily researched inflatable kayaks had gathered that the hybrids with the drop stitch floors but tubular sides were generally more stable than the full DS kayaks. Presumably there is a trade off though in that they are a bit a slower and more affected by wind gusts (reflects the general trade off in that regard - full DS, narrow with V hull = speed/less stable, while width, flat hull and tubular sides = less speed but more stable)

[@jens9692]

Please consider reviewing the Driftsun Rover 120/220 Inflatable kayaks. They seem to be in the tier 3 catagory and many other options are sold out currently. Great review videos!

[@billhunt6562]

I took a look at the Driftsun Rover 120/220 specs; these are much wider, very stable, but they would be slow for flatwater. Those models are designed for whitewater. They are quite light actually; made in China and I have not paddled them. I see they also have some touring models, Almanor 110 and Almanor 146; these are also quite wide, and would be in the more stable but slower, beginner category. Hope that helps...

[@edwardvickers5506]

Nice review,here in the UK we dont have a big choice on inflatables. Unlike North America .Here,they are mainly on the cheap "Toy" side,and i couldn't find a British manufacturer that made a professional boat.I searched and found Gumotex and i took delivery of their Seawave Kayak .It really is a great boat.it seems like they are very popular in Europe.

[@karindiehm4863]

Hello Jack, I recently purchased a 393rl razorlite. I am very happy with my purchase. Since purchasing we have moved to a property with a dock and I am wondering if you always deflate your kayak between outings or do you feel it is ok to keep it inflated and stored on the dock provided it is not too hot, understanding that in the heat the air in the compartments would expand and possibly weaken the seams, etc. Any input you have would be appreciated.

[@inneradventures]

To me it's an unusual problem, for that kind of use a hardshell is certainly a much better choice. Maybe you should sell the RL and buy a hardshell. Might save you money and get better performance.

[@samwinter9749]

Was leaning towards the sea eagle, or might hold out for Bote to finally start shipping to Canada again.

[@rodolfoaamattos]

Jack, awesomely helpful videos! Thank you very much. Any chance to take a look into the Aqua Marine Tomahawk yet? A lot cheaper and has pretty much the same look of the razorlite. Thank you

[@inneradventures]

You must be outside of the States? We don't really have them here much.

[@gutturf]

Thanks for that video. I was considering getting a 473 but did not find any other videos or discussion about setting it up for solo use, but I see now the D-rings and removable seats allow it, although I assume that the foot braces on the newer model don't work for solo.

[@inneradventures]

Yes, every tandem kayak I've seen has a way to be used solo. And yeah, I'd think foot rests might be an issue.

[@louaysakka]

Jack, great video as always, since watching your review video I was set to buy an rl, I am more interested in white water adventures but like the flexibility of inflatable. Do you think RL will work with level2 and maybe 3 rafting?

[@inneradventures]

RL is absolutely not for any white water, IMHO.

[@kenboatright7710]

Hi Jack, Thanks for this and your other helpful videos. I am located in Seattle and am looking to purchase a new, 2 person, full drop stitch inflatable kayak with a removable floor. What do you recommend? The KXone Slider looks like what I am seeking, but I don't know if it is available in the US. Thanks for your thoughts! Ken

[@inneradventures]

I'm not aware of fully drop stitch kayaks with removable floors. That's kind of the benefit of them, removable floors are a pain and fully drop stitch kayaks eliminate the need of having them.

[@tkelsey4183]

J, thank you for another great video review. I ended up buying the 473RL and should received within 2 weeks. Quick question... 1) do you use the hand pump or electric?, 2) when you go overnight camping do you take the hand pump with you? Thanks again... your advice is so incredibly helpful (plus trusted)!

[@inneradventures]

Hand pump for my RL (the one that comes with it. It's good) I do take it on multi-day trips and have never needed it.

[@paulhousman7156]

We ended up getting the 2 stage hand pump instead of the one that comes with it. makes it a little easier and faster to inflate

[@tkels5471]

Hi J, thought I posted this but I don't see it. Would you consider putting together a list or short video of what you consider best practices or considerations for RazorLite owners? Seems like you know and have shared more then anybody else on the web. I just bought one and would appreciate any advice on drying, cleaning/coating, etc. Thanks for considering this.

[@inneradventures]

I will consider. There isn't that much I do. Cleaning and drying are not that critical. No coating. I would not store themnin sub-freezing temperatures and I put a piece of Guerilla tape on the front cutting edge that hits the ground.

[@tkelsey4183]

@@inneradventures I fortunately already have some black Guerilla tape! Do you just put the black tape on the hard plastic? (ie up but not overlapping where the bottom is glued to it)? Thank you so much... I would have not purchased a 473RL without your valuable reviews and advice. The best thing that's happened to me in this crazy year! :-)

[@capaykim]

Hi Jack. I've been watching your videos about choosing an inflatable kayak. They have been helpful. I'm not sure if I'm a novice or not. I have an Equinox (hard shell) 10.4 that I enjoy very much. I've been using it for flat water for about 5 years but not often enough. I love paddling but can't lift the kayak myself. It's 54 lbs. Now, I have a van that doesn't have a rack, so I'm looking into an inflatable, so that I can transport it in the van and I can kayak without someone there to help me. Before I saw your video, I was leaning toward the Advanced Elements Sport. Then, after watching your videos I was convinced to buy an Razorlite. But, I read that they are for Intermediate paddlers and they are not as stable as others. One thing I love about my Equinox is that it never feels unstable. It's 31.75 inches wide, which falls between the two kayaks that you review here. The tracking & speed with my kayak could be better but only is a problem when the wind blows. I wouldn't want anything with worse tracking, but I sure don't want to tip over if the wind picks up. What inflatable kayak(s) would you recommend for me?

[@inneradventures]

Razorlite. It's stable enough for you from what I read. It's quite stable compared to hardshells. It has really good secondary stability.

[@mrkipple2080]

I had a yellow Equinox too. Good kayak. But yes super heavy boat. Hard on my aging back. 😀

[@jaredkelly930]

So I recently purchased the AE3029...there’s a couple places on the North Platte river near me where the sandbars are shallow even when the river is at its highest. My question is do you think the detachable fin they included is necessary?

[@inneradventures]

I would not use fins on white water. On flat water you do need it indeed. Otherwise tracking is not the best.

[@TheKayakCrew]

Hi, how much of a difference was there in the stability between the Airvolution 2 and the Sea Eagle Razorlite? I am looking for a drop stitch kayak but stability is important to me because tipping over into the sea with all my gear would not be good (even though I keep anything I need to in dry bags which are usually secured to the kayak). Thanks

[@inneradventures]

Significant difference. You can stand in Airvolution.

[@Master-Blaster-4x4]

jack, im debating between solo and tandem version of sea eagle razorlite, have you tried the tandom version and can you use it solo? i will be solo 50% of time and wanted to know if i should get tandem version to save money over two solo versions

[@inneradventures]

I love paddling it solo, especially if I load it with gear

[@toledolimo5905]

I bought the Airvolution and don't like the way it blows around with the slightest breeze, Makes me wonder if being 6ft / 130lbs is a factor. I have the Advanced Elements 1012 with a backbone that is my favorite.

[@allonsy9808]

While I like the looks of the Airvolution, I keep going back to the performance of the 393RL. Everyone who has compared them says the 393RL is the better, faster performer. Plus, the 393RL has more room for 4-legged kaykers. :-) Thank you for the side-by-side comparison--especially the picture that underscores just how wide the AE is. wow!

[@OEM19]

Hi there, thanks for the video. Do you or your friend find it problematic that the airvolution doesn’t have any foot rest? Do you notice any issues with control or comfort? Thank you

[@inneradventures]

I personally never use foot rests, so I don't care.

[@dolbydarma]

I tried the spray skirt on a tandem Advanced Elements and it made the kayak unusable, the entry points were so small you couldn’t safely enter the kayak. To be fair, I’m 6’3” but I would imagine you’d have to be well under 6’ to even attempt.

[@johnsommo2452]

Thanks for the great review. I'm trying to decide between the solo or double Razorlite. I plan on going solo most often but wanted the tandem option if my wife wants to go with me-or my dog. Do you see much of a difference in paddling the two seater alone?

[@inneradventures]

On the water the tandem is just fine to be handled alone other than strong crosswinds. On land it's harder to carry.

[@JuanMartinez-zo5zf]

@@inneradventures are you able to adjust the seat location in the razorlite so it’s more in the middle or do you just use the back seat when going solo

[@billhunt6562]

@@JuanMartinez-zo5zf The seat position is adjustable. He states at 4:05 that he is paddling these in a single paddler configuration, but the wind makes it hard to hear.

[@vlad_tabacaru]

but looks like you can`t use the adjustable footrest when going solo, am I correct ?

[@aminadibi9435]

Very cool. Have you looked at any of the Innova kayaks made in the Czech Republic?

[@inneradventures]

Looked. Yes. Even paddled one. They are quite rare here.

[@joesmith3279]

I had an Innova Sunny purchased in 2007. I used it very infrequently, less than 10 times over the course of 8 years. I kept it deflated in it's backpack in my garage in Northern California. Had the glue on 2 D rings fail over the years and had to be re-glued. No big deal I thought. In 2015 I went to go take it out and it was falling apart. Half the glue seams were failing. I contacted Innova but they were unwilling to do anything. Fine, it was out of warranty but I'll never buy another one of their products ever again. That was an $800 kayak in 2007 and a complete piece of junk imo. I purchased a $300 Airhead TK-1 for my son at the same time and it's still going strong today with dozens of outings and he's been very rough with it.

[@penalty5992]

Are you sitting in a middle position in the Razorlite, or is that the rearmost position? I am trying to decide between the 473 and the 393 as a solo paddler, but it was my understanding that the 473 doesn't accommodate a middle position for a solo paddler, so you'd have to add your own D-rings, but then the footrests appear to be fixed in place and they don't appear to sell the plastic footrests separately, so they'd be too far forward from you. I may have to just go with the 393, though I assume it will be slightly slower than the longer 473. Do you know if the 473 is a bit faster?

[@inneradventures]

They have middle position. I am in it. I did the test of the speed of these kayaks in another video. Double does not seem to be faster.

[@kripadixit1406]

Hi Jack, Really great educational videos, I learnt so much about inflatable kayaks! I was wondering if u could share your opinion with me. What inflatable tandem kayak would u buy if had a budget of $1000, If ur primary concern was stability and safety. Other concerns being drying, convenience etc.

[@inneradventures]

Aquaglide Chelan comes to mind. That's a good budget that can get you a nice inflatable. Most of them, in fact. Except for fully dropstitch ones

[@kripadixit1406]

Thank you!

[@teppana2]

Thank you for your helpful reviews. Would you consider Razorlite 473rl able to carry 2 adults and a 3 year old child? It can sure carry the weight but would you consider it stable enough for a small child passenger? Other options that I am considering are kayaks with drop-stitch floor and normal inflatable side tubes.

[@inneradventures]

Yes, I'd say it's stable enough. The other option would work well too.

[@mikesidaway]

Hi Teemnu. Did you go for it, the 473rl? How is the stability with your child? I'm in a similar situation to you, with a slightly older child, but I'm tempted to go for the slightly more stable (and perhaps more traditional looking) and wider AE AirVolution2. Thank you!

[@wrayks188]

The web site does not mention configuration for solo. I assume in your video, you were paddling from a supported configuration?

[@inneradventures]

Correct. All tandems have a middle position for the seat to be paddled solo. That's what I did.

[@weijungguan267]

Via looking at the U.S. Patent 9,452,809, it is hard to make kayak with feature like Sea Eagle RazorLite. Either only use drop stitch on the floor only (most of the high end IK) or on the side only (advanceelement EVO). Or drop stitch inflatable sides are not configured to be flared outboard from the drop stitch inflatable floor (Like Advanced Elements Airvolution 2). Basically, manufacture need to find a little different way to work around to avoid inferring the pattern.

[@inneradventures]

Thank you for explaining. Really helps understanding why that is.

[@kenadams9388]

Thanks for another interesting video but I would have appreciated a bit more understanding of the design intention of the two boats. The way the two boats are set up (two seats in one and one seat in the other) gives a misleading impression of the internal stowage space - the decks of the Airvolution do appear to allow some stowage underneath in much the same way as the Razorlite (and the extra width and length of the Airvolution decks might possibly create a better platform than the floor of the Razorlite for stowing and securing bulkier items). The inner top edges of the dropstitch sides of the Airvolution seem to have a tubular shape which is probably the most significant design difference between the two boats. As you say, both boats are highly susceptible to weathercocking and I think that will always be true for any flat-bottomed boat which skims across the surface of the water with only a small plastic skeg to act as any kind of directional anchor. Whenever I plan to go paddling, wind direction is the single most crucial factor which determines my start and finish points. As a more general comment on your videos, I think it would be useful if you were to include some information about the portability of any particular inflatable boat as well as the simplicity (or otherwise) of pumping them up and packing them away. If the priority consideration is that a boat should be easy to store when not in use, then any inflatable is likely to be better than any hardshell. But if the priority is to be able to carry the boat up and down unaccommodating access routes and/or use public transport, then I think the choice of inflatable becomes much more restricted. Most of the promotional videos show a clip of somebody casually swinging down through the trees onto a deserted beach with the boat in a backpack but it really isn’t that simple. I have been paddling inflatables for around ten years and I have just acquired a Bic Full HP1 which is very similar to the smaller Razorlite. It came with a carry bag which is of very high quality in every way and which has the capacity to carry the entire rig including paddle, pump, seat and still have room for personal gear as well as a collapsed set of wheels. The downside is that the loaded bag is very big, very heavy and only just about manageable by a single person - there is no chance that I will ever be able to make use of the very high-quality backpack straps which are part of the package. The new boat is, however, much quicker and easier to pump up than my ageing Walker Bay Airis boats (even though it operates at a higher pressure). That is probably because the pump is taller and thinner. I think that there is a lot more to consider than a boat’s potential top speed!

[@maybebabyny]

Great points. I didn't learn much from this video but watched as I am trying to decide between the Advanced Elements Airvolution, Advanced frame, and Straight Edge 2. I looked up the Bic but it has been discontinued. Any thought on a good tandem inflatable? Thanks

[@telemark22]

As far as carrying stuff on the Airvolution deck, that would place the weight higher and therefore compromise stability more. I would think the lower the better.

[@dandetande288]

I subscribed! Keep it real!

[@jonfrank5113]

I bought the AE because I wanted something that I could snorkel and jump in and out of. I have a single and it works great. Needed a spray skirt because I am going in and out of the ocean surf. If someone is interested in these two aspects I would get the AE. If you are into calm rivers and lakes then maybe the other one is a better choice. What do you think J Baikoff? Ocean vs. Lake?

[@inneradventures]

I am not sure what the question is. I agree that sprayskirt is a good idea for rough seas. And I sure hope no novice paddler is intending to paddle in those conditions. I'd leave it to people who have experience and can make the right gear decisions based on it

[@rlander]

Great video, Jack, keep them coming! Have you looked at any of the Itiwit kayaks sold at Decathlon?

[@inneradventures]

No, I haven't paddled or seen them in real life. They don't seem to be available here. If they are they are certainly not common.

[@mahadev108]

@@inneradventures Dechatlon is French company, available all over Europe. In US Walmart sold this kayaks but now written out of stock www.walmart.com/ip/Itiwit-by-DECATHLON-Itiwit-X500-Inflatable-Touring-Sit-in-Kayak-1-Person/556687900

[@mikesidaway]

Hi Jack. Great videos, reviews and expert knowledge! Since you are probably the world's leading authority / expert on inflatable kayaks ;) I would like to ask a question / your advice please: Since it sounds like you haven't yet got to try out the Aquamarina Tomahawk (which sounds like it's a bit tippy), I'm probably going to choose between the Advanced Elements AirVolution2 and the Sea Eagle Razorlite (both 2 seaters). (Ideally, 3 seats would be great for either our 5- or 6-year old in the middle of us - but I can't seem to trust the Aquamarina Tomahawk reviews/reputation, and don't know much about another brand Story). I guess, since we might put a kid in the middle of two adults in either the AE or the Sea Eagle, it makes sense - from a safety point of view - to go for the slightly more stable Advanced Elements AirVolution2 instead of the more narrow, slightly less stable Sea Eagle? Your thoughts/comments and insight would be greatly appreciated please Jack! Thank you very much and happy paddling! Mike

[@inneradventures]

Aqua Marina tomahawk is not available in the States from what I understand. Razorlite is tippier, but last weekend I tested intentionally capsizing it for the first time and discovered that it's actually quite stable after the initial tippiness. And it's certainly offers significantly more space for three people.

[@mikesidaway]

@@inneradventures Thanks for your reply Jack. That's very good and useful to know, and I'll take that into consideration when deciding which to go for.

[@billhunt6562]

Interesting video, thanks. Would be interested to have you compare the Aire Tributary Sawtooth to these. With Airevolution 2 width of 37", Sea Eagle 473RL RazorLite width of 30", and Sawtooth width of 32.5", I suspect the Sawtooth will be similar to the 473RL in speed, with better stability. Sawtooth was lengthened in 2020 to 15' 3" long also.

[@inneradventures]

But they are in such different categories. These are "dry butt" kayaks. Aire is definitely a Wet butt kind. And not a very comfy for flat water with the center chamber bulging out. Aire is for white water.

[@niikkkoooosssss]

Its a pitty AE made such a wide kayak. I always paddle my RL 473 solo in Greek seas and never worried about stability. Good you did a speed test, I'm not a strong paddler, I do confirm the RL473 max speed, my trolling (with 2 lures) speed is 4-5 km/h.

[@mdwallace]

Via paddle or with a mounted motor?. I wonder how you could mount a motor to the sea eagle for trolling

[@niikkkoooosssss]

@@mdwallace 4-5 km/h via paddle in flat water

[@STho205]

AEs whole line is wide, mostly short waterline boats. I think that is their niche. This is much better than their older large bladder boats and almost a leisure, wide opening hard shell. My wife, family from Corfu BTW, used an AE for years because she was afraid of rolling. That is likely their market. Hopefully this one is not as hard to dry. The Razor is really a collapsible Louisiana pirogue boat more than s kayak. A very versatile boat for paddlers with steady balance and patience to get their sea legs each time they climb in. I use hard wood pirouges myself, and it is sn aquired taste. They always feel like they'll roll for the first minutes of use.

[@1965JB]

Do you have any thoughts on Aquaglide? I’m looking at the Blackfoot 160, mostly for fishing, not camping, with my girlfriend. It would be my first kayak.

[@inneradventures]

A really solid brand. One of very few I have almost nothing bad to say about :-)

[@1965JB]

@@inneradventures Thanks, now I just have to decide if I’d paddle and fish enough to make it worth buying! It looks like the best inflatable tandem out there for the money.

[@inneradventures]

That's the question...

[@kevink9365]

Do you install and use the foot rests on your sea eagle?

[@inneradventures]

No, I don't use foot rests on any of them.

[@---sf5cf]

According to the specifications, the double AirVolution is 98 cm wide. I'm afraid it may be uncomfortable to row with it... isn't it?

[@mortschubert3909]

The RazorLite is obviously faster, but it seems to be hard to maneuver in the wind. Interesting point about the spray skirt!

[@inneradventures]

The amount of weather-cocking seemed to be about the same for them as I recall.

[@mortschubert3909]

@@inneradventures, then, that's how it is!

[@ThunderboltF]

I just purchased the ITIWIT x500. After watching all the the x500 reviews online, I am worried about the stability. Really excited to test it on the Ontario lake. I will share my thoughts after I get my hands on it!

[@IngoGerth]

How did you like it?

[@deborahbarry8458]

With my short arms, I’m drawn to the most narrow kayaks.

[@charlesayars2243]

Great information. Thanks. I am 6 feet 9 inches with long legs and weight 260. What inflatable kayak would you recommend?

[@inneradventures]

Either of these will do. With your weight you certainly want something with at least a drop stitch floor in it.

[@waynebrucemanbat5787]

@@inneradventures can you check the per person weight capacity that's written in the warning inside the kayak for him? This isn't directly on the Sea Eagle site and when I ordered my explorer from them I found out the per person weight limit for my model was 250lbs (is only written inside the boat). I don't think that Charles will have issues if he's only 10lbs over the weight recommendation, but if it's not at 250lbs or higher he might not want to get that model

[@waynebrucemanbat5787]

Interestingy enough I got curious and searched around for videos that show the the "capacity plate" inside the razorlite. For the tandem (two person) model it simply says 2 people or 600lbs, 750lbs with people and gear. I think he'll be fine. Sorry for any confusion.

[@PeterKolta]

If a kayak has a dropstitch floor and a 80% polyester / 20% pvc body does it mean that one should encounter a possible puncture? Namely, I'm considering Itiwit x100 tandem for leisure purposes on lakes in autumn and spring.

[@inneradventures]

Sorry, I can't say much about Eropean kayaks since we don't have them here.

[@PeterKolta]

@@inneradventures Dear J! Can I use an fds kayak in cold conditions too (in fall, late fall, probably winter) wearing a dry suit? Thanks.

[@inneradventures]

Well, with a dry suit you can use kayaks in any temperature. I've kayaked with these in low temperatures even without any (dry or wet) suits. The likelihood of capsizing is pretty low, at least for me. Unless you are fighting some serious waves

[@PeterKolta]

@@inneradventures Thanks. Actually, I prefer low temperature to summer's unbearable heat. Finally I'm buying an 'Allroundmarine force' which is almost identical to the Razorlite tandem. Very excited! Thank you, J!

[@---sf5cf]

Hello Jack. I'm curious which of the two will combine high stability and speed and which is higher: Ottawa aquatec Double or Advanced Elements AirVolution 2

[@---sf5cf]

I'm seriously wondering whether the two-person version of Airvolution 2, which is much wider than the single-person version, is not uncomfortable for paddling?

[@inneradventures]

I can't find the kayak that you are referencing (the Ottava one) anywhere online. where did you find it?

[@---sf5cf]

AQUATEC INFLATABLE KAYAKS [OTTAWA/PRO] - TANDEM

[@---sf5cf]

And what do you think about it? Compared to Airvolution 2 ? Airvolution 2 I bought Airvolution 2 to try it out but now I have nowhere to check it because it's still too cold. And I can't buy the Ottawa kayak to try it out, even return it if I buy it, no refund...

[@rgsparber1]

I have a Sevylor Colorado and an AirVolution solo. At the same heart rate, my Airvolution goes 55% faster than the Sevylor. Both feel about as stable.

[@inneradventures]

Makes sense. The two are in very different categories. I compared these two since they are close competitors.

[@stevenh.5826]

So the new AE is a class 3 kayak?

[@inneradventures]

Definitely. These are both top of the line fully dropstitch kayaks.

[@jeffmezzullo5864]

Can I get your opinion on these two for a guy who is 6'2" and around 245 also would like to get tandem for sure for gear, my wife or one of the adult size kids.

[@inneradventures]

All I said there stands. They both can easily handle your weight and size.

[@jeffmezzullo5864]

@@inneradventures ever looked at the "2021 Aquaglide Chelan 140"

[@inneradventures]

I own an older Chelan. And love it generally. Very solid boat.

[@jeffmezzullo5864]

@@inneradventures I need to figure out if I should get the 140 or 155

[@charlescusack1609]

Just posted comments on two other videos by Jack. In short, I bought the Sea Eagle Razor Lite and fond it to be very "tippy" (as Jack noted) and it really doesn't have that much internal space... which can be a real problem for someone who is larger or taller. Returned it under their 90 day "free trial policy" but had to pay $270 in shipping charges. Be especially careful about buying the Razor Lite, especially without trying it out first.

[@inneradventures]

I responded to your comments on other videos also, the tippiness you're describing sounds strange and unlike anything I've experienced with it.

[@chertykto2617]

Hi Jack. Thank you very much for your videos. Why you didn't add this one from Advanced Elements to you last review? www.advancedelements.com/day-touring-inflatable-kayaks/airfusion-evo-kayak/ Well, it is not fully drop stitch... But might be something cool. It is narrow (just 24" inches) - 6" narrower than RazorLite. I think that it might be faster than RazorLite. And I am wondering why Razorlite does not even have a deck as an option?

[@inneradventures]

I'd love to test out AirFusion Evo if I ever get my hands on one of those. There sure seems to be the promise of the speed. At the same time it's not a direct competitor for Razorlite, IMHO. Lack of deck for Razolite, I assume is a calculated decision based on the fact that vast majority of people will never use it.

[@KKBG]

I have Airfusion Evo and its really great but its not meant for a beginner.Also imposibble to bring camping gear. But its quite fast.

[@biberboote9831]

thank you for your information. I have some thoughts, and questions: What about ecology? Things do not live forever. What is the lifetime of drop stitch materials? As far as I know the manufacturers warrant only about two to three years. The main problem lies in its construction. Depending on its construction there is no sheating on the inner side, there's only the fabric. The (rather high) air pressure is kept inside the inflatable tubes/walls with a layer of some material "glued" on the outer side of this fabric. A separation of this sheating material and the underlying fabric - aka delamination - will result in bubbles. Nylon threads on the inner side of the material will rip by the time with a similar effect. Both damages cannot be repaired. Can we dispose this material without any pollution? I doubt. Good inflatable boats as e.g. Gumotex or Grabner have a skin consisting of a rubber-like sheating on both sides of the fabric. In case of a damage this boats can be repaired. The manufacturers say that a lifetime of 20 to 30 years is possible in case of careful handling. And cheap PVC boats create very toxic fumes when burnt. Most of the inflatable boats are special waste, and they should be handled accordingly at the end of their lifetime. Are the buyers of such boats really aware of this? Do they care about? Do they dispose their "waste" boats the right way? What do you think? Is this worth some thoughts too?

[@inneradventures]

You're raising some really good questions. I've learned by talking to chemists is that pretty much all of these kayaks are made of some form of vinyl. They only differ in their qualities based on the differences in polymerization process that they go through. Unfortunately all of these materials are really harmful for the environment while being manufactured. I'm not aware of their toxicity in a landfill.

[@biberboote9831]

dear Jack, thank you for your understanding, and all the best.

[@BRAV-lm6xk]

In my experience don’t by something because it is more suitable to a novice kayaker. My first kayak was one I built myself from plans. It was a Chesapeake Light Craft North Bay Greenland Style. 26” beam 18.5 length. The first time I took it out I literally said “what the hell was I thinking this is terrible” A few weeks later I’m carving turns and handing choppy water on Lake St. Clair like a pro. When you get something suitable for a novice won’t be long before you want something better. On the other hand if you’re looking for something more suited to family fun then the novice friendly kayak might be a better choice

[@mrkipple2080]

I'd stick with the Advanced Elements. That stability is a big plus

[@inneradventures]

Whatever rocks your boat :-D

[@codywiench4214]

Avec tout ce que j'apprends, il semble que Sea Eagle soit celui à choisir. Est-ce vrai?

[@inneradventures]

That looks like french, unfortunately I don't speak it.

[@jacobcastle2741]

How durable are these inflatable kayaks?

[@inneradventures]

I'd guess QUITE durable. The material itself is very durable, so I would not worry about punctures much, glued seams might be the weakest point.

[@jacobcastle2741]

@@inneradventures I have seen models that are covered by fabric (Advanced Lements) would you say ths airvolution is more durable than those covered models? for example than the advanced frame from AE?

[@inneradventures]

I would guess so, yes. Because under the fabric is a really thin vinyl.

[@kevinwelsh7490]

Glued vinyl gives me eeby jeebies about seams separating. Isn't STAR Paragon much safer with its WELDED seams?

[@inneradventures]

This is comparison of two fully dropstitch kayaks available in the States. Does Star have any of these?

[@kevinwelsh7490]

@@inneradventures Airis is another one. Just sayin' glued vinyl is Achillies heel of inflatable kayaks - don't you think?

[@inneradventures]

Never heard of Airis nor was able to find it by googling. I am curious about the durability of glued seams on these. So far they hold up.

[@kevinwelsh7490]

@@inneradventures here is Airis drop stitch kayak www.adventureoutfitters.ca/products/airis-play-inflatable-kayak-by-walker-bay

[@gloppy101]

@@kevinwelsh7490 those Airis hybrid kayaks were discontinued 4-5 years ago..poor design.

[@RSI24]

So crazy how they don't look like inflatables

[@algranoconPablo]

That looks like the sea eagle 393rl, are you sure it is the 473RL?

[@inneradventures]

Very positive it's a 473RL. It's my main kayak for the last few years.

[@gloppy101]

A few comments: you are not centered in the Airvolution due to sitting too far back. Notice how your bow is raised and not planted and that's why you are getting the bows side to side travel. Easy correction is to always center your seat or add weight to the front if you want to sit in the rear (dog, camping gear, etc.). A big plus for the AirVolution is that it has two (one for each chamber) pressure relief valves so when paddling in warm/hot temps, you won't blow a air chamber and if that happens, that is not covered by warranty and your kayak is not repairable..game over. I've paddled the RL393 (single) and yes, it's "twitchy", but less so than my hard shell narrow sea kayak. If in busy/confused water (especially with eddies) the RL393 will toss you if not paying attention. That said, it's a excellent kayak. Note the width of the AirVolution single is 32" wide vs 37" on the tandem. Both excellent yayaks, but the built in pressure relief valves on the AirVolution, thicker material, and lower profile (important in wind) would lead me to go that route. If you know you need extra room for gear and ok with less stability, the Sea Eagle RL393/473 is the way to go. EDIT: guarantee you CANNOT roll the Razorlite tandem since no spray skirt and open design. Yes, I've paddled it (gf had it and was too tippy for her needs..we carry camera gear). Either one of these are very poor choices for any whitewater as they don't have adequate number of scuppers to drain waves and wrong design for ww. Finally it's paddle and not oar:) All told, two different kayaks serving different needs (AirV more stable, Razor faster) and both from two very reputable companies.

[@inneradventures]

I centerend the seat in airvolution. I am not sure why you think it should be further forward. Those release valves are tuned for 18PSI. Seems way too high and questionably useful to me.

[@gloppy101]

@@inneradventures if you are centered, your bow should be planted and not moving side to side with each stroke (see video starting at 1:56). If still getting the wiggle/bow not down, add a few gallon water jugs to the bow. Regard pressure relief valves: The valves release number is spec'd by AE's design engineer to prevent blowout. I'm thinking this AE kayak has pressure substantially greater than the 10psi of the Razorlite. NRS paddle boards are high pressure at 20psi and also have a pressure relief valve to for added safety. That's a very good feature of the AirVolution. Forgot to add that my Aire Sawtooth kayak has a pressure relief valve in the floor for safety. My Advanced Elements Expedition Elite has the drop stitch floor, but no pressure relief valve as it's not needed at lower 4-6psi. Happy paddling.

[@SQWIB]

@@gloppy101 I agree, it was an unintentional skewed review. @1:38 seating looks right, after the paddle @3:40 seat is too far back increasing the YAW. If you look closely you will see the entire seat configuration changed (note the placement of the strap). I also wonder if the skeg is installed, lol. I have the AE3029 (SINGLE) and yaw is minimal, however the front does sit higher than most would think is OK. Jury is still out on the weather cocking as I have only been oout with port side winds 3-5 mph but could feel it. Pressure for the Airvolution AE3029 is rated at 10-12 psi. I haven't had the AE3029 out on a weekender yet but I'm sure I could manage a 3 day 2 nights no problem, there is a bit of storage fore and aft, not much but some. Paddling a tandem solo isn't going to give you as good a paddle as a single. the AE3029 is 33" wide and 39lbs, no problem to carry or store.

[@dereinzigwahreRichi]

Ironically in the beginning when he was talking about problems with the wind I couldnt hear anything...because of the wind. :-D What was he saying? The AE has even greater problems, or is less affected? I've had these problems myself with my Aqua Marina boat. Fortunately it has a fin each on the front and the back which helps a lot when you're paddling alone.

[@inneradventures]

AE weathercocks more than RL

[@wintersliu3311]

if you paddle solo model, airvolution, in the sea, you will find out that wave is ok, too

[@mikesidaway]

hi there - are you an Aquamarina Tomahawk owner by any chance? How are they? I can't find too many honest reviews of them. I guess I'm considering one (3 seats for a kid in the middle) but I've read a few comments that seem to suggest that they're quite tippy and unstable. Therefore, I'm tempted by the wider, more stable AE AirVolution2. Thank you!

[@dereinzigwahreRichi]

@@mikesidaway Hi Mike, I own an Aqua Marina Memba 390 which is ok for two people and a little baggage or for me and my camping gear but not more. But last year I met the owners of an AM Tomahawk-C Canoe, the version for three people you're talking about I guess. It seemed a solid construction and had the flat bottom most drop stitch boats have. The owners said they're quite satisfied with it, that it is easy to paddle, stable in the water, quite comfortable and they made regular excursions on the river Rhine, which is quite big. I met them at a big lake and they were also paddeling there. Sounded good to me. But if you can get hold of one of the new Itiwit 500 canoes for up to four people sold by Decathlon, buy it! It's incredible, it has the shape of a solid boat, glides through the water like forever, goes straight without any fins, holds up to 250kg and weighs 32kg. It truly is a real canoe in a suitcase. The feeling of it is incredible, almost like a solid boat. And with a price of 1400€ it costs only a little more than all the other "square" drop stitch boats. I love it!

[@mikesidaway]

@@dereinzigwahreRichi Hi there. Thanks very much for replying. Maybe that Tomahawk might be ok after all..And I'll certainly check out the Decathlon Itiwit X500 Canoe, sounds interesting..thanks again for the tip and have a good summer on the water!

[@ThatKayakingGuy]

Razorlite was huge disappointment for me due to how unstable. Not recommended for kayaking around alligators! Go with pontoons

[@inneradventures]

Yeah, not the alligator kayak. Agreed.

[@DavekayBSC]

I get that these can be rolled up and put in the trunk of a car and in a closet, but in my opinion when you're talking 50lbs plus, you're still starting to lose the plot. I have a Kokopelli Moki Lite, with a high pressure drop-stich floor, and medium pressure left and right air sections (PVC bags inside the main body). I'm sure it's not quite as durable or as quick as these, I've been able to get it at around 4.5 MPH max with my Aqua-Bound paddles. The key though is that it weighs HALF as much as the AE - meaning I can get it out of the car, inflated, and down the dock and into the water myself. For solo paddling both of these are non-starters.

[@inneradventures]

Fortunately most people can handle these boats pretty easily (especially since they are to be handled by 2 people). It's interesting to see that Kokopelli now makes kayaks. I'd love to test them out.

[@DavekayBSC]

@@inneradventures That's the point - I like going out to Cook Park to paddle Tualatin River by myself sometimes, and with a sub 30lb kayak, I can do that. Kokopelli's Moki series just came out this year, it's their first that isn't an ultra lightweight packraft type. The design is typical of the "Level 2" type. The drop-stitch floor is the "skateboard" type that is a separate piece and fits over the bottom fabric of the boat - similar to AquaGlide's "HB" models and the AE high-pressure floor. It's rated for 8-10PSI, but I usually put around 7 in it. Overall the design is very similar to the Chelan 120HB from AG, but without the inflatable seat base or drain channels of that model. It counters with velcro straps for tying your paddles to the side of the boat though (seriously, why dont ALL kayaks have this? It's genius, and makes carrying the boat yourself that much easier because you don't have to worry about your paddles). Both the Moki and Chelan use all military valves which is nice. I think the lightweight practicality of models like the Moki and Chelan shouldn't be overlooked. My friends all have Intex K1s, and when we go out together they all carry their boats by themselves. I really like being able to do that too. I don't want to have to wait for a friend to carry their boat out and then walk back down the dock to the water so they can help me carry my 50lb $1000 inflatable out. There are compromises sure compared to the all drop-stitch models, but having experienced the K1 and the Moki, I can defnitely say that it's a huge improvement over that class of boat. MUCH faster and better tracking on the water, more stable, and definitely more comfortable as well.

[@calebnation7797]

I have the advanced elements advanceframe tandem convertible and it’s 52lb inflated. I think that’s very reasonable for a 15 foot boat, and even if I solo paddle it, I can easily get it to the water & have a lot of storage areas

[@deborahbarry8458]

@@DavekayBSC as a person with the arms of Tyrannosaurus rex, lighter matters. Narrow matters too. I’ll look up the one you mention and see if it’s available in Canada. Thanks

[@lapocasini1246]

One point is you can put them in your car and not need to hoist it on to the roof rack and deal with all that. There are wheel cart attachments that help with moving them .

[@sac_fijian6314]

You can buy 2 above average hard top kayaks at the price of one of these mediocre IK. I always advise first time paddlers to buy a cheap Intex and make sure they accept the downfalls of these before spending major $1k+ on these inflattables.

[@inneradventures]

If you see my main video that's exactly the advice I give. For people who don't have means to store/transport a kayak comparison to hardshells is not relevant.

[@jazzydanz1111]

True, but the major upside is... portability. I am not going to install a roof rack on my Prius. And... my landlady would not be super happy with me storing big kayaks on the property. I just got the Airvolution and it paddles pretty well, though, one thing that isn't talked about as much is the width. I do feel like I'd prefer a narrower kayak so that my arms don't have to work as much.

[@SQWIB]

Apples and Oranges!

[@jimwortham8634]

I noticed neither boat had foot braces for power waste of time

[@inneradventures]

They all have them if you want them - I did not bother installing.

[@wintersliu3311]

Somewhat one-sided. 1. The weight is heavy because all the protruding parts use the 0.9mm pvc material to protect the parts that are easily injured. More durable, while increasing stability. 2. In terms of accommodating space, the advanced deck has front and rear decks, which is a hard structure. A bungee is fixed, which can reuse the space on the deck, the seaeagle one is soft sheet, you know what I mean . You are testing a two-person boat, you should take two people, and then it is more reasonable to compare the capacity. 3. Speed ​​test, still used two-person boat but operated by one person. Why not a two-person test? In design, if one person is paddling, the seat should be adjusted forward and sit in the middle position. The second seat of advanced is clearly behind. It is not a normal position for single operation. 4. The AD width is large, but the deck has an angle , which does not affect the rowing and should be more comfortable.

[@inneradventures]

You seem to be defending AE as if I critizised it and it affected you personally. Sorry about that impact. To be clear - AE made a pretty good product. They just made one questionable design choice IMHO. 1. What's the thickness of RL? (Since you are claiming it's less durable) 2. AE's deck is rigid. And you can certainly store stuff on it. But RL allows you to store stuff under the soft deck and thus lower the center of gravity. And soft deck decreases weight. 3. If you can't see that I tested both of them with seat in the center position (which I did) I would question your experience in this area. 4. I am not even sure what you are saying with that. I was commenting on RL seats being taller and more supportive for the back.

[@wintersliu3311]

@@inneradventures thank you. just simple reply, 1, the thickness of dropstitch material is same, but you will find AE's hull was covered 0.52+0.9mm thickness PVC , double layer like SUP's side rail. 2, you are right, but the video's storage show, eh...... maybe not critical. 3, yes, my mistake. I wanted to say, the speed test should be the solo model. Tandem model should be more comfortable & stable. 4, just my opinion, not be shown in your video. the paddler show be comfortable when they have a long journey and low them arms . maybe I am wrong

[@wintersliu3311]

@@inneradventures BTW, I am technology man, exactly not a good paddler. the speed test is not so critical. you should find the shape of AE&SE, one likes oiler , the other likes battleship.

[@jm-bv1wh]

Not the best review. The Airvolution is a tandem, the Razorlite a solo. Two completely different style boats are being compared. Like comparing apples and oranges. Although the Razorlite is known for being tippy, so that part is right.

[@inneradventures]

Both are tandems. These are the only fully dropstitch kayaks available in this part of the world. Quite a few people are choosing between these two.

[@LL-zt4su]

j m is back? He said he wasn't coming back after the Trump commercial. The 473rl is a tandem ! Apples to Apples.

[@Endoe.McKronic]

Similar'lee? How about just alike, or similar? Similarly isn't needed...

[@inneradventures]

Thank you for correction. English is not my first language. In fact I never studied it, I only pretend to be able to speak it.