Adventures in Critiquing ❤ The Long and Short of Things

[@RiverTheFluid]

*starts to hear elegant grammar and critique* ok where is this going, *cuts to terrible grammar and the it’s just my style argument* theeeeeere we go

[@violetmatoi7404]

Honestly, when someone makes the "It's just my style" argument, I swear I can feel a little bit of my soul vanishing.

[@violetmatoi7404]

Monstrous Piratelord Well...I personally don't think that's fair to say since I don't think people should really "own" a style, you know? Like, artists are usually associated with the styles they draw in, but it's not like people can't have a style that's similar just because someone arguably more popular has that similar style. I feel you should judge the style on it's own merits rather than comparing it to someone else's style just to bring them down. It's really unfair. You feel me?

[@HaruWuu]

Violet Well people does have a certain style when they draw. I have a certain style when I draw. People does get offended because on how they draw. People attend to get inspired by other artists. People draw for fun and others want to become famous,etc. So I don't know. LOL.

[@violetmatoi7404]

Nightmare Well I'm not saying shouldn't be inspired by other artists or anything. If fact, it's perfectly fine to be inspired by someone else. My point is that people shouldn't "own" styles, pretty much claiming that it's theirs and theirs alone and that they can't be criticized or "copied"

[@scribblebluwu1159]

Not to mention when it’s a oc from a show/movie but a person doesn’t bother to follow the laws of the show or movie and I honestly got into an argument with a girl when her character took a shows rules on characters and threw it out the window

[@daredrogers3884]

Yes and its just as annoying when people use the "Its my style is no exusce for bad anotomy!" as agurement to push their "realistic art is the only real art" belifes.

[@mrradiance194]

15 minutes of someone in denial that they took a critique as a personal attack

[@violetmatoi7404]

Mr Radiance "15-minute minutes" Yeah, me too

[@mrradiance194]

Violet nani?

[@violetmatoi7404]

Mr Radiance I'm saying in your original comment, you said the word, "minute" twice. I was just making a joke out of it.

[@katieghost3033]

It is funny that when this person says "goodbye" to try and seem like the bigger person, they come back to send more messages; because they were never done in the first place. Aaaaah this was refreshing to watch though.

[@TheKaydenMonroe]

I am so happy to be a part of this..... I just I could have teared him/her apart while reading his/her painful logic

[@SeyMotor]

im so sorry youre now forever a reading slave

[@greentea4625]

20 minutes into critique and chill and he tells you its just his style

[@lifefantasyx8552]

Well that's a shame. You gave a very helpful critique and they just brushed most of it off. I guess if it doesn't come from their mentor, they won't care. This was pretty funny to watch though. Hope they improve!

[@SeyMotor]

The only problem i have with this video is that it solidifies kayden's new job as a reading slave for texts with bad grammar

[@teeveeee]

Um your drawings fingers as little spikes on a stub..... *SHUT UP ITS JUST MY STYLE!* But in just tryi- *SILENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!*

[@FeralGhoulium]

FireheartWarriorlove *SILENCE FOOL!!*

[@TheFuzzyOfDoom]

I don't like spam either. When they mentioned Michaelangelo drawing ladies all big and muscle-y I remembered a lil art history tid bit. He drew ladies all muscle-y because he only used men as models, I think? Upon a little further research, it looks like it was a conscious choice that may have had to do with the attractiveness of androgyny during the Renaissance or something. Neat!

[@LizzieShiro]

You know, when I was younger and taking critiques, the "it's my style" argument is something I never used.

[@Rhaynefall]

Ahhh, my fanart was featured, I'm so thankful QwQ Thank you so much Ponder! This video was really relatable- almost too relatable. I give a lot of critiques for a class, and it hurts so much that people respond to criticism like this all the time. When people respond respectfully to critiques, I always get so happy. I hate the excuse of a style. Sure, a person doesn't need to *accept* criticism when it's given, I understand that, but using the excuse of a style is an excuse that needs to stop. I'm going to make a video on how to respond to critique because things like this get on my nerves. I'd like to think that some people just may not know how to respond to critique or don't understand why critiques happen, but I know some people are just *that* ignorant.

[@pondersprocket2274]

oohh~! A video on how to respond to critiques sounds like a great idea~!!

[@alleosussquirt8041]

They have no style, they have no grace, but boy howdy, they have a funny face.

[@brunah4329]

As a artist when I see people not taking criticism very well it really pains me, I often ask for critique and receive none, so yeah, it's kinda annoying seeing people like that

[@daredrogers3884]

Yes! same here!

[@seasaltcosmos]

"my mentor has 50 years experience and is a famous painter" has the same energy as "my uncle works for nintendo"

[@alleosussquirt8041]

This hurt a lot, not the video but the back an forth between the artist.

[@FeralGhoulium]

I need criticism *insert criticism here* DIS IS MAH STOILE AND I HAVE A FAMOUS ARTIST THAT CAN HELP ME YOU ARE VERY RUDE FOR SOME REASON EVEN THO UR NUT

[@FeralGhoulium]

Rachel T ikr xD i love when he starts talking about some famous guy

[@aussienimbat9988]

wow that person flip flopped more then a worm that is out of the ground and being poked by a curious child.

[@daltonwilliams1723]

This kind of grammer reminds me of why i always check what the fuck im writing nowadays. It sounds like a robot malfunctioning.

[@violetmatoi7404]

Dalton Williams I would imagine it would be harder for this individual since he admits that English isn't his primary language. Getting used to a language you never grew up with can be a challenge.

[@daltonwilliams1723]

Violet whoops. Didn't realize.

[@goodmachines7743]

Ponder, I am so grateful for this. Thank you so much for an entertaining and very informative video! Keep up the good work!

[@cobaltblu4196]

"Its just my style" fucking bite me

[@Gallant_Silver]

I've always been afraid of posting my art, because I've worried about taking criticism poorly. If I were getting such well-worded, polite critique as your initial comments, I would gladly take it. You're a shining example of how critism can be helpful and polite!

[@alice4603]

ok but his mentor is hella good woah

[@lambchop504]

Ugh I hate the "it's just my style" argument like if their going to use it then dont offer up the fact that you take critiques. Like, if they're going to act like a child when you give them a critique that they ask for then they just shouldn't ask for it. Not only that but they continued to bother you

[@hundincreations]

"Me annoying! And boring." My favorite sentence all day

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

I really enjoyed this. I do hope to see more of this!

[@Mochi-gi5nn]

I was just wondering last night when you'd upload a new video! Hallelujah all praise the ponder gods.

[@theactualTVB]

Like this new format guys.

[@MarziPanic]

Something about this makes me want to throw an art book--

[@gustav275]

mommy's back bitches

[@IHaveNoLaifu]

Its a shame they blew off such a well thought out critique. I'd be so thankful if I ever got a critique this wonderful to help control the dumpster fire that is my art(/style).

[@SparDanger]

Same here!

[@IHaveNoLaifu]

glad im not the only one lol. XD

[@Myuwa]

I've recently discovered your channel and I love your content !!

[@Valkyrie_Persephone]

I enjoy your videos, i started watching a few after boredly watching rants on people. I really enjoy your humor and even how pleasing your Oc is (im a sucker for freckles) and even the fact your oc is part of a story. In all honesty i love your account and im high off of cold medicine. I love what you do and bless your account. Happy holidays, honey.

[@Zaxten]

this reminds me of my high school art classes when there would always be that 1 student would try to prove the teacher wrong even no they are right -_-

[@DeathAlchemist]

What a nice little interaction.

[@Oree_Nabisko]

Responce asside. You're critique is spot on.

[@CooperGal24]

Most of my artworks are pretty good, but I admit that I do have problems with anatomy and certain poses. The hands and feet are kinda hard to draw, but I'm trying to work on them. Other than that, as long as others on DA like my work, then that's a good thing. Also, there can be different drawing styles, but you still need to have a good idea how to draw a body, body type and more. I still like to read up on drawing tips to improve a bit. Overall, critques can be a hit or miss with writers or artists, but they're helpful nonetheless.

[@thezodiaclord1929]

Oof

[@stopreadingthisusername9528]

*You said it, sherrif!*

[@beep898]

*Ough*

[@waffles5780]

Now I want to be taught by ponder she seems to know what she's doing with art.

[@ceehud5592]

*sees notification* YEEEEES!! The holy squid mama and her friends!!!

[@katietaylor8314]

I'm an editor, and whenever an author responds to editorial feedback with excuses and deflection my heart sinks. There's no better sign that you're dealing with someone who is not going to accept any help because they think they know best and the only thing they *really* want from you is validation.

[@iamaunicorn1232]

"Nuh uh! My style is awkward proportions!"

[@micah_taalon8873]

13:39 I feel bad for that guy's kids

[@astrea4020]

I just found you and I have to say I'm already in love. I adore your incredible art and the effort you put into making your vids. Instant sub.

[@lynngu1n1]

lmao it's kinda funny how by the end of the video he tries (and fails) to save what dignity he had left

[@grayskies3252]

im fuggin happy as long as ponder uploads

[@thgritic102]

Man I wish had this kind of critique, and this guy is blowing it off

[@user-rm4nl3xq8k]

God just found this channel today and already love me some octomama

[@thatnsfwartist7126]

I'm a day late but that's okay. I hate it when artist discard the right & correct critiques when given. I'd wish people would take consideration when given critiques for correcting anatomy even if a character is fictional.

[@elenatheartistandgamer2001]

Brooke you scare me.

[@finwag5931]

why would you keep trying to talk to this guy when you know its hopeless?

[@pondersprocket2274]

I have a habit of responding when people respond to me XD On the downside, this can lead of a lot of long conversations that result in very little except a lot of stress on my end... But on the bright side... Adventures in Critiquing.

[@shinysmeargle2037]

I find it very hard to believe this guy is married with children. I behaved like this when I was new to DeviantART and I took criticism as a personal attack. Eventually I realized that the criticism was there to help me and not to be hateful. In fact I’ve been able to improve on poses and facial expressions since I started listening to them and stopped making excuses. This guy needs to learn to do the same.

[@TheMightyN]

Broken Language Artist: My mentor is a famous artist from 70's and 80's. Me: Never heard of him so he can't possibly be that famous (I'll have to go check this out.) The bottom line with this is that both artists are at fault, with the artist of the piece he feels like his mentor and college act as his shield which is pretty cocky for an artist that does still need to work on their proportions; you graduating from a high ranking school doesn't mean squat if you're still not good at your craft. Then we have the critic who should've let things go the moment the artist decided to reply and disagree on about his critique (frankly both them should've stopped replying to each other from the start.) There is no side here in this situation and they both acted like idiots.

[@Spodumene]

I would love to see more of these if possible.

[@KittyFAN13]

I just want to yell at that guy "Hey, no one cares who you're mentor is! All we care about is your anatomically incorrect drawings that you asked for critique for!"

[@themantheman2768]

when i saw the title i originally thought it said:ADVENTURES IN CROTCHING! a netflix movie

[@00fxer2.0]

Oh god...why wont people just accept criticism? Really. They are only trying to help and make people better.

[@KouriHanin]

While artist do have the right to deny/not take critique, in my opinion, they Shouldn't act childish/rude when they're responding

[@drlegoman4321]

*Hiss* Different bad! No like different!

[@zoedowgiala1298]

I would kill to have you critique some of my favorite pieces.

[@fionakeenan7885]

The reason The "great master's" of art or artists from the renaissance era created pieces with masculine female's was because they only had male models to work with and reference.

[@shagun2105]

Fuck yes a ponder video im at peace

[@Ceradeez]

i loved this also good god the grammer

[@girlywolfpup1588]

I'm a treasure at the end of a rainbow......sweet :D

[@Waspinmymind]

I fucking love this.

[@kayussery596]

... w o w ... 3 years late but god . *this dude* . your face in the supergirl piece is a bad if you were trying to combine cartoonish and comic or realism together. the cartoonish design of the head shape combined with the realistic mouth and too wide of nose fucks with the over all aesthetic of the piece ( in my opinion ) . to me it just sounds like an excuse , a “Waaaah , ur critique hurt my feelings , waaah” sorta reaction, which pisses me off because i would love to have a critique like this on my newer pieces ?? even if it stung ? It’s well thought out, not mean, and as objective as an artist can be. This guy should really just of said “thank you, but i disagree” if he wanted to not listen anyway and then left it instead of engaging with passive aggressive comments. keep up the work, brooke !!

[@memes4402]

That same damn excuse "its just my style" its getting old just take the damn critique and you'll improve

[@HinaTheBlue]

Conclusion for me: If you don't accept criticism, don't ask for it.

[@cat_photo1973]

I don't think that the issue of art isn't just anatomy, but if the character can move around normally. If a character has palms for hands or hips as long as a meter stick, then there would be some issues.

[@leezhesquid4109]

Ahhhh > u

[@animuauntie]

Don't make fun of Rob Liefeld's drawings. It's just his style!

[@lenanightwish7988]

I'm 21 and even *I* take critiques seriously. I'm not a professional and I'm still a bit iffy with my style, but I still take constructive criticism on my work whenever I have the need to post it alongside the art I made. Animal wise, I'm quite used to the anatomy and it's a big strength when drawing, but when it comes to human anatomy *cough* and drawing people in general *cough*, I definitely struggle as it is a weakness of mine. You can see this a lot when you go on my DA page at ShadowHellHoundz.

[@siremi2730]

You know there’s a problem when the head is thinner than the thighs Yes I know there’s perspective and body fat, but I don’t think that’s what the artist is going for

[@Pastel_Starbitz]

I think this person is having a brain aneurism, or maybe.. I'm the one having the aneurism in response!!

[@rosebud1296]

No one should ever use Michelangelo's drawing/ sculptures of women as an example of anatomical accuracy when talking about a typically feminine figure. He basically took a very muscular man, added hips and slapped badly shaped oranges onto the pecs.

[@pondersprocket2274]

Yeah, I actually have a book on anatomy that takes some famous paintings and breaks down what the problems with them were and why those problems existed. Most artists have limitations in their work, either because of their own skills or because of what was around them at the time. To treat an artist's work as an absolute as a studying tool is just naive because it effectively prevents new artists from recognizing and overcoming those issues.

[@smelldisfidelis5499]

The artist's grammar made me cringe and a bit angry

[@pondersprocket2274]

hehehhehehehehehee I saw that mistake before you edited XD *Butt.*

[@madisonb8163]

11:17 *insert airhorns here*

[@artiekatie9056]

Where can i put my art for critique?

[@d.l.claxton9421]

I know this video is old, but... 3:18 Is anyone going to tell them?

[@elexidacastro2679]

I feel like this was too tedious. I would have just stopped and moved on when he started justifying it more.

[@ParadiseofDarkness]

Man I wish I had long arms... my family teases me that my arms are 3 inches shorter than normal... my arms reaches to my crotch and it bothers me all the time that im a mutant.

[@piedpiper4440]

Dude started off kinda nice but he devolved pretty quickly.

[@lapissedlazuli7594]

"his/her" It seems "their/eir/xeir/etc." was forgotten by that person. Spectacular. That part in particular stood out to me. Not everyone uses "he" or "she", and not everyone confirms their gender like that. They would've been better off using "their" to avoid this. Another failure in the responses to your critique.

[@tubi4aa]

Yay, good stuff :)

[@leonneon6985]

I've watched alot of these, but ehat is it with almost every single one of them having such bad grammer! It's driving me insane XD Edit: I realized that this person in question doesn't speak amazing english, but it still is kinda funny to me to hear such grammer.

[@Ashinyfurfrou]

English skills 100.

[@patum2]

ECKS DEE

[@ellenbrouwerartist]

These videos are really interesting. I almost want you to critic my work haha.

[@Maxwell_Twist]

A little bit of critique here, I would be nice if you would either provide a link to the image, as well as a disclaimer telling people that the link is just to see the image, not to harass the artist so that we can look at it without text covering up parts of the image or you could simply have a part of the video without text that simply shows us the image with none of it being covered.

[@pondersprocket2274]

I actively chose not to do that because I didn't want people to go to the artist and bring up this old critique. I didn't think that would be fair to them. This is also why I blacked out the artist's name. However, in future videos, I'll be sure to showcase the piece as a whole before inserting the critique.

[@Maxwell_Twist]

Yeah, I definitely see your point there and thank you in advance for the future videos, I love watching your content. PS: I was able to find a smaller version of the image by the artist and I can somewhat tell that artist was going for a perspective a bit, but they may be because I was looking for it, since the angle is very slight.

[@Maxwell_Twist]

Wait, my mistake, I misunderstood you and forgot that I hadn't yet finished the video before having to leave to do something. After watching the whole video, I can see what you mean, especially with the when it comes to the torso squish.

[@CruelestChris]

You are really rude dude Are you rude enough dude to save president

[@auburnforest7267]

11:40 Hmm I don’t know sounds like he lying...

[@Tamaki742]

Inconsistency is not an artstyle.

[@bean5165]

They are looooong

[@neby394]

I think the drawing it's good but the thing that stands out to me is that the face looks weird to me..

[@cringemaster4195]

So, is it true that you're in the ranting artist community? I already know that you're in the CC.

[@pondersprocket2274]

No, I wouldn't consider myself a part of the ranting artist community. I don't do rants. Much less, I don't do rants on artists.

[@Waspinmymind]

[@madmethodmouse2677]

Why do these responses have to be so formal? Speaking all classy doesn't fix your shit grammar. And seems too artificial, why can't people just respond with " Oh okay, i get you. Sorry about that. Yeah, they're off and i'll try to improve. " Not much thought but it feels like there's a warm body writing it down. P.S. Talking about the guy who ain't having the critique.

[@CHloE748]

That is the most effed up face I’ve ever seen. How can anyone think that looks good??! I don’t feel bad for saying this since they had a bad attitude and acted like a self righteous brat 😂

[@unsubscribedanimation]

Lavit

[@rafakegamestutoriais5455]

Obtuse

[@trashking471]

I know English isn't his first language but still😂