Adventures in Critiquing 💚 Vaxx Happened

[@huntywunty]

can we talk about how ableist it is that parents would rather their children potentially die from a preventable disease than be autistic

[@pemdii]

my dad, an immunocompromised person, is severely allergic to vaccines (and most medicines). Not only will he die if he gets covid, he will die if he gets vaccinated. His life DEPENDS on other people being responsible in the pandemic.

[@thedarkcat7484]

I'm allergic to eggs thanks to my mom, so any vaccine incubated in eggs will make me horribly sick. You won't believe how many people during the C Virus Outbreak were snarking off about how "people so sensitive to diseases should stay home" only to go ashy quiet when I tell them that would be me, since I cannot be vaccinated. Lol.

[@fizzymisery]

As someone with autism, I can confirm I am very scary.

[@quinniewuinnie]

Man really said: “I care about my children so i won’t vaccinate them so they can get sick and benefit me :D”

[@himegyaru7213]

Some people really shouldn’t reproduce

[@c0urt_jest3r]

this is one of the reasons why i stay inside most of the time

[@amuu8216]

@@himegyaru7213 yeah. Like people who make jokes about identifying as an attack helicopter when they can’t even identify as something that’ll get them some bitches

[@elorap1441]

I wasn’t vaccinated with some very vital vaccines like the Tetanus vaccine, until very recently. My mom was one of these people who believed autism stems from vaccinations. I find it ridiculous. Especially since I can’t get fully vaccinated until I’m 18 BECAUSE of her neglect to realize that vaccines are present for a reason. Honestly it’s stupid. Since there is undeniable proof that they don’t cause I’ll effects on the brain, and don’t cause mental hindrance. And autism isn’t something to fear or avoid either.

[@kizwil98]

I always hate the argument "only the old and immunocompromised die from Covid" as if the elderly and immunocompromised dont have the same right to live a full life as everybody else and not die from a horrific disease. Get vaccinated if you can. We all deserve safety and health.

[@killerbug05]

Main character syndrome is a hell of a thing. Like bruh imagine thinking "ehh fuck em they're weak or old who cares" is a sane take 💀

[@kizwil98]

@@killerbug05 ikr??? I can't imagine not caring even a little that people are dying from my own stupid decision.

[@nobinary2296]

Love this. My little sister has autism. They've come a long way, from being trapped in her own head, and unable to communicate with others. We had an amazing opportunity to get help, not to help her mask, but to help her have tools to save herself from situations when we're not there. I remember when my sister used to go into an absolute screaming, punching, kicking madness if you so much as brushed her. My Mom took it all and would hug her and talk it out with her. Got down on her level, tried to understand the world she had, and would communicate back with it. Back when everyone told my Mom to give up on her, she wouldn't be anything, my Mom refused to believe it. Because she knew first hand what true hopelessness looked like. We used equestrian therapy with a combination of leading child psychologist in our area. Who were all lovely people. We used games to help her look at people, animals to help her get used to touch, and boundaries. And would have her around animals because they produced noise and you couldn't stop that in life. But it was in a way she could adjust and come through it if she were ever somewhere without us. Now? She still exhibits autistic symptoms, but at least she can hug you, have a utensil scrape a plate, and have conversations for a bit before she has to go relax. Or won't freak out every time we leave a location. My family and I don't coddle her or anything, and we remain sensitive to when she needs help. But she's my best friend and I wouldn't trade getting to know her or the others I have met along the way through her. She has a lot of good friends who know and accept her, along with being sensitive to her needs. It's a growing and learning experience. But my sister is amazing. As is. I don't understand how people can say these things about autism being caused by vaccines. It's idiotic and it's not a curse. Some of the things my sister has told me are some moments I can't forget. 😂 She is the light of my life, my best friend, and an amazing human.

[@空耳ケーキ-s9q]

props to ur sister for tolerating an utensil scraping a plate! as someone with autism, it can be very much hard for me to do that due to sensory issues (auditory issues specifically)

[@AppleStrawberryLove]

My dad was anti-vax. He came down with shingles a few years ago. His fingers have never fully recovered from the nerve damage. He was really good on the guitar; now, he has had to drop entire songs out of his rotation because his fingers cannot handle them. He can't play as long, and he has to take more breaks because the nerve damage interferes or starts bothering him. He sometimes even struggles to text/use his phone due to it. It makes me angry to see someone say it's not a problem to catch these diseases. It makes it so clear they've never had to watch a loved one suffer from some of the effects long term. It breaks my heart to watch my dad play guitar now because he loves playing but it's now clearly such a struggle at times. The only good thing about him catching shingles is that going through that did make my dad decide that vaccines are actually worth your time to get. He'll still hesitate, but you can actually talk him into getting one now. I just wish he'd listened when everyone in his life warned him that some of those diseases had nasty long term issues associated and that was part of why we vaccinate.

[@Force-hiddenmasquerade]

Every time one of these guys say “do your own research” they mean “I don’t actually have the sources and adequate research done myself so you should find the evidence for me because research is hard” Or alternatively “I’ve never done a research paper because I paid a friend or a greasy random dude online to write them for me”

[@mickeymousewithouttheclubh6584]

My parents didn't get me vaccinated. I get colds easily and a low immune system. That lowered my likability and trust in them by a bit.

[@yourdickisonfire7106]

I so sorry man

[@archer_bt3442]

Sorry to hear that man

[@ShellyValeras]

Best you can do now is just go to your doctor and see what you can do now. I think parents need to be better aware of this kind of stuff. Both with vaccines and with mental health issues. I have ADHD but am only just learning everything that it causes, having thought it was ONLY the hyperactivity. So I guess what I'm saying is... I understand what you are going through to an extent.

[@milkbuns2543]

Just wanted to say that some tweets in this weren't entirely correct about Autism. It's not a disorder , even if it's technically diagnosed as one. It's a neurotype, literally a different brain type and is in fact a developmental disability. Phrases like low functioning are also really harmful, as its really cruel towards Autistic people who need more support. Autism isn't on a high to low spectrum, it's a more of a color pallete spectrum? You might be able to speak, make temporary eye contact and hold conversations, but not be able to drive, stand loud noises , textures lights etc. High + low functioning are really kinda outdated + considered really offensive by many Autistic people, including myself. I'm not gonna police the Autistic person who used those terms since that's their choice, but just for future reference.

[@pondersprocket2274]

That’s actually a really good way of explaining it with the palette analogy, thank you for that and thank you for the correction.

[@Jeltea]

I was actually curious to get more info on the whole spectrum thing so reading this comment was really nice! And now that I really think about it I can totally see and understand why the terms "high functioning" and "low functioning" is well bad to say the least When ya really think about it, it does kinda come off as a slap to the face for people with Autism- So sorry you guys had to go through that and I do hope that more people will use what you guys are comfortable with!

[@lovedella6483]

As an autistic individual, thank you for sharing this :D

[@babeyoficial6396]

@@pondersprocket2274 I also wanted to add that because autism is a spectrum, autistic traits can be very varied. I am partially verbal (Which means I have the ability to talk but certain situations/levels of stress prevent me from doing so) I rely on stimming to self soothe, I am detached from the world but also considered above average intelligence, and I have meltdowns over small things. I also have the ability to hold down a 9 to 5 job and go to school but need accommodations in school. That's another reason why high functioning doesn't work. Depending on the task and situation I could range from the genius in the room to completely helpless. Need a worksheet done? Nope cannot do it without assistance. Need me to do an improvised public speech? Easy.

[@lovedella6483]

@@babeyoficial6396 I feel you here, everyone is completely different. While we can all relate in different ways, nobody has the exact same experience existing as an autistic person. We're very funky people, it's not good nor is it bad, we're just funky existing people who live by our own needs. I hope all fellow autistic folk reading this are having an excellent day.

[@kathana_da]

I love the sprites, would love to see them finished

[@pondersprocket2274]

*one day*

[@enderkatze6129]

@@pondersprocket2274 before or after I Reform the German Empire

[@enderkatze6129]

@MidnightMakesArt :)

[@clownfern]

@@enderkatze6129 ',:o(

[@sugarp1e174]

I'm so happy to contribute to the discussion of how important vaccines are and how they *don't* cause autism. I had already contracted and recovered from COVID, so I wasn’t sure if I needed to get the vaccine or not. But maybe I should anyway; better safe than sorry. Or maybe it'll make my autism "worse" :P

[@archer_bt3442]

I can’t stand people that criticize vaccination. As someone who lost someone due to Covid, this is something that actually set me off

[@pondersprocket2274]

I'm so sorry to hear that and I'm especially sorry for your loss.

[@redeverose]

My aunt died a few hours after her second dose of the (pfizer) covid vaccine. Can I be critical of it?

[@buddurmics2729]

@@redeverose Likely not even the vaccines fault considering it only takes effect after awhile.

[@pondersprocket2274]

@@buddurmics2729 No, when I got my shot they were very wary of people having possible adverse reactions. There was a wait period of like 15 minutes because people could demonstrate issues in that timeframe. So yes, someone could definitely have an adverse reaction within a few hours.

[@buddurmics2729]

@@pondersprocket2274 My bad, my assumption was that the lethal side effects only occur during the 30 minutes period they had people waiting for. I hadn't heard of anyone with severe reactions after that time frame.

[@kittennight3305]

Jeez why do everyone hate autism?! Some of the greatest people who help Society has autism straight up bro! People would rather die than have autism what?!

[@TuesdaysArt]

Blame Autism Speaks.

[@enderkatze6129]

Subconscious Aversion to the "mentally ill" due to Historical societal conditioning and the continued stigmatisation by Organisations such as Autism Speaks.

[@ShellyValeras]

@@enderkatze6129 those things also hurt people with ADHD. Especially the media. They always portray ADHD characters as hyper and fidgety. But as someone who's grown up and still has ADHD it's.... Not. The hyperactivity comes and goes and there's an un ending inability to focus on what's important. I feel there should be more, proper representation for people like us. With mental health issues. ADHD and autism are two things that I've only ever seen joked about in shows.

[@stickysocks6369]

@@enderkatze6129 what flag is on your pfp? Poland...? It looks so familiar but I can't remember...

[@enderkatze6129]

@@stickysocks6369 it's the German Empire with a custom little two-headed Eagle. Not the Nazi Empire btw.

[@Man-wolf-]

Hey im autistic myself and had a critiques in regard to how you spoke abt autism Im aware someone in the comments already pointed it out but “high” and “low” funcationing are toxic labels and do not repesent the spectrum, every autistic person’s autism effects them differently , i was considered “high” funcationing but i sure as hell do not funcation well at all Aside from that your vid was fairly decent

[@enderkatze6129]

Aspogers is something I'm fairly Sure I've never Heard of, and If you meant Aspergers, that's a recognised medical term for a certain Type of Autism, and is named after it's "discoverer", Johann "Hans" Friedrich Karl Asperger. While I See the Connection to nazism in that He was complicit, He was Not himself a Nazi. Regarding the "high-functioning/low-functioning" being Terms used by Nazis to categorise different types of Autism, I could find nothing about that, and likely they wouldn't Sort by Autism at all, unless Aspergers was diagnosed. Terms that *were* used to designate those were Seen as having No value to society, who would be sent to die in Spiegelgrund or Other similar institutions, were "bildungsunfähig" (unable to be educated) and "geistig minderwertig" (of Lesser intelectual Worth/ability), among many Others. While I appreciate your attempt to spread awareness regarding the Historical Origins of such Terms, please do Not spread misinformation in the process.

[@Man-wolf-]

@@enderkatze6129 english isnt my native language so im sorry for any misspelling I was only putting out informantion ive heard from other autistic people who were speaking out about why all three terms were toxic and should not be used , it is why i specified “pretty sure” as its what ive heard and rad about and thought should be putten out

[@enderkatze6129]

@@Man-wolf- English is a secondary language to me too, as i'm actually German. If you could, please edit your comment to remove the misinformation, most People likely won't see my comment.

[@Man-wolf-]

@@enderkatze6129 alright i removed it, i apolgize and will do better research in regarding this

[@enderkatze6129]

@@Man-wolf- thanks, that's great!

[@Sinc3r3ly]

Hey Ponder just wanna jump in and say something- Many Autistics find the functioning labels to be very offensive (after all, saying someone “functions badly” is pretty mean) so instead I suggest you use the terms “low support” and “high support”

[@pondersprocket2274]

Thank you for the correction~

[@Sinc3r3ly]

@@pondersprocket2274 np! ^^

[@sugarp1e174]

Just goes to show how uneducated the world is about autism. I made those tweets back in 2019 before I read "Loud Hands: Autistic People, Speaking" and saw many examples of non-verbal autistics who were labeled "low-functioning" yet were able to eloquently communicate through written words. I'm perfectly capable of taking care of myself in spite of my difficulties with social interaction. So just to update my tweets from when back when, I'm low support.

[@infinkeo_archived]

Would low support be referring to autistic ppl who can deal with the problems their autism causes and those with high support can’t as much? Like how would we use these terms in a sentence? I’m asking out of pure curiosity btw, so apologies in advance if I’m potentially coming off as insensitive

[@sugarp1e174]

@@infinkeo_archived To my understanding, it refers to the autistic person themselves. "Low support" means they're capable of taking care of themselves (living on their own, feeding themselves, etc) and "high support" means they are unable to care for themselves (they need a caretaker, others have to cook for them, etc). Basically, the word "support" alludes to how independent the autistic is. Low support autistics don't need outside support but high support autistics do.

[@DemonDiscoJockey]

Listening to people who are "vAcCiNe CrItIcAl" like this dude makes me believe that humanity isn't going to last very long.

[@missliv.404]

And sometimes I cant help but think this would be a good thing

[@oblivionsghost7430]

@@missliv.404 me too honestly

[@GingerbreadGerard]

When recommend is more reliable than notifications Also my mom has an auto-immune disorder and gets sick really easily and it hits her hard. This is why people should vaccinate, so people like my mom wouldn't have to suffer.

[@Saitaina]

I'm high risk for things like Covid, which is one reason I vaccinated, but people like your mom is why I do it even when not high risk. I'd rather be a brick in the wall then a cause. I even updated my whooping cough despite not having children, because children exist near me and some aren't able to be vaccinated yet.

[@jordanjoestar-turniptruck]

Who says I want to "come back" from autism?? With coaching and support (and parents and teachers who GAF), it ain't that bad. I'd be way more upset if my son was afflicted with, say, narcissistic personality disorder (and let's just say that nobody is blaming vaccines for that)! Vaccine reactions suck and their administration is hard to watch, as any parent can tell you. My kiddo's leg almost doubled in size from the DTAP and I had to keep an eye on it and struggled to keep him comfortable. But the hard reality of parenting is that there are trade-offs and compromises you need to make to give your child the best chance of safety and success. I had him on round after round of antibiotics waiting for surgery to mitigate the risk of permanent damage to his ears from constant infections. It was horrible, and far from ideal, but I'm so glad there was at least a solution. Similarly, vaccines definitely have room for improvement, but they are far better than the alternative.

[@jordanjoestar-turniptruck]

@@nellie__ sociopathy, yes. There are plenty out there who manage to still be good people. Narcissists tend to have a much harder time admitting they have a problem, making it much more difficult to get treatment.

[@neuronecrosis]

please keep in mind that npd is commonly a result of childhood trauma or inherited, your child won't just get it out of nowhere. people shouldn't be blamed for something they can't help but have or have people be upset at them for it. stigmatizing/blaming people for something doesnt help people affected by it, especially if the people affected already have destructive tendencies. plus many people with any mental disorder already do recognize that they need the help but dont get it because of (x reasons). im not defending the actions of abusive people with npd, im just saying we shouldn't fall into perpetuating stigmatization and generalization of any mental disorder. + people often talk about people with n/aspd as if they're not there/are "the other" and thay never really helps

[@caramel9154]

@@neuronecrosis literally no one was saying anything about it being someones fault they have npd this just reads like projection on your end

[@neuronecrosis]

@@caramel9154 "i'd be way more upset if my kid had npd" is just an unfortunate thing to say and it implies that someone close to you having it is a shame of some kind. people should be more aware and defending one kind of neurodivergence while putting another one down isn't exactly how it should go, no matter how much of an aside it is apologies if my comment from a year ago was awkwardly or poorly worded, i was still in the process of educating myself on the topic. i still think it's important due to what i said above. i do appreciate your input

[@caramel9154]

@@neuronecrosis i mean considering npd is widely caused by childhood trauma, yeah no shit a parent would be upset if their kid developed it. means they did a shit job n frankly NPD is also extremely destructive as a neurotype

[@AnnoyingSquib]

Dating myself here, but before there was a vaccine for chickenpox my sister and I both came down with it as kids. While my sister's case was slightly mild, mine was so severe I was covered, scalp to toes with blisters. I still remember laying in an oatmeal bath as my mom tried to get my fever down and urge me not to scratch even though it was just maddening! When my sister was in high school, she contracted shingles. The pain she felt was so intense it was enough to make her pass out. My mother soon after caught it as well and was also miserable. I haven't gotten it yet, but it's a disease that I worry may very well kill me as I am not as young as I used to be. I cannot fathom that there are some "parents" out there that actively push this horrible illness on their children for an immunity boost. Shame on them.

[@User-of6xs]

1:09 I just realized ponder has a knife in this still. I just they were just clutching their stomach in pain of whatever the hell was going on 😭😭😭

[@aliciacolclasure2039]

I have a couple things I want to point out about credible research: 1. As someone who was in grad school and read a lot of research papers, a lot of very good papers are behind a pay wall because a lot of credited specialized journals need a subscription. However, these are more geared towards other professionals who already subscribe and it would be easy for those who aren't in the field to misinterpret anyways. (It's hard even for those of us who are experts to read these papers) 2. I can see why you only want to see things from a medical professional, however, there is a lot of good research out there where the lead author is not in the medical field. I was going for my PhD in math and was first author on papers on studies done for pediatric narcolepsy. This happens because medical professionals frequently don't have the knowledge on how to do proper statistics or modeling to be able to make any claims. Having said that, I am definitely no expert in the disease and was working closely with a neurologist who was always the second listed author. Just wanted to say that just because they aren't a medical professional doesn't mean they dont have good research, just make sure they have a credible medical profession who they work with.

[@Nixeu42]

Honestly, the journal paywalls have always bothered me. It interferes with the spread of sometimes vital information and often locks out people who don't have the academic connections/positions to get in for free. It's especially annoying when the paper in question is 60+ years old and it's behind a paywall because it's only recently been digitized. And I'm not just saying that because I have a fascination with old school, "if it blew up the first time let's try doing it more slowly this time" chemistry.

[@amethyststudios6967]

It funny to me, how if an anti vaxxer would say "you would rather your child to have a disability than a disease?" To a parent, like a parent who actually love their child, the parent would say "I would rather my child to be alive and have a disability than 6ft underground." Then sucker punch the anti vaxxer Edit: to fix and to add what I forgot -.-

[@Nixeu42]

Oh hell yes. As much trouble as adapting and accommodating for stuff like autism can be, it's far better than being dead.

[@toganium4175]

This channel really blew up since I last watched it.

[@honeydewart9419]

as it should!

[@clownfern]

@@honeydewart9419 as it should

[@starri__]

Hi friends in the comments have a great day, afternoon or night when you see this💕✨

[@supermegaawsomegentlemen]

thamk m a n

[@c0urt_jest3r]

you too

[@ineedalife5340]

I can’t I’m having horrible diarrhea

[@justsomeartist8895]

Man this whole thread actually makes me realize how lucky I was that not only was my case of shingles mild, but that it was unusually early in life. I was probably among the last children to get chicken pox before the vaccine was publicly available, my parents got my brother vaccinated and they absolutely would have gotten me vaccinated against shingles had it been an option. Unfortunately the shingles vaccine wouldn’t be invented until I was in high school, and we wouldn’t find out that it existed until after my mom took me to the doctor about a weird scabby rash on my stomach.

[@autumnseclipse]

There is smth abt anti vaxxers that particularly get me so frustrated. The way they present their points feels like a mix of ignorance and stubbornness that is made extra painful by their (what I would hope to be) genuine concern in regards to medicine and health. It's just,, agh,, god bless you Ponder for having the patience to actually try and have a discussion with the guy I would have honestly just muted/blocked him on the spot HJSDJSND

[@Aetheriiel]

This guy coupled with the voice acting (which is phenomenal btw) makes him seem supremely punchable. So... excellent voice casting.

[@whatteamwildcats4033]

I'm low key wondering if this guys ran his idea to "let your daughters get chicken pox so their discomfort and pain can benefit you" by his brother. Because something tells me his brother would not appreciate that sentiment at all

[@AccountDeletionPending]

As a biology major, I would like to point out that the bulk of modern vaccines don't use disabled or dead viruses. A lot of them use viral genetic code that causes the body to produce viral proteins used by the virus to access and infect cells, which they then present to the immune system.

[@5Geass]

IT TOOK ME THE LONGEST TIME TO REALIZE B'S HAIR SHINE ACTS AS AN EYEBALL AND WHICH DIRECTION THEY'RE LOOKING AND FUCK I CAN'T UNSEE IT NOW OMG-- love ya, Ponder

[@Alien--Bunny]

I have a cousin (she's about the same age as my mom) who's anti-vax... I hate these people because my dad had a kidney transplant, and of course that means he's immune compromised from his medicine. When he got a UTI he was put on sepsis alert, that's how bad he got one time. I can't trust my immune system because recently I became allergic to shellfish and I'm celiac. Both of us got the Pfizer vaccine. However, even know I lover her, I swear some of the post and friends my cousin follows are really questionable. Yes cuz I know you have an immune system, but if it's anything like mines, it will miss up.

[@haleychaudhry2219]

Ahh, I see why this guy is so upset. If he really does have a brother who has immunity problems, he might blame everyone else for his own pain and fear for his brother’s health. This also really seems like someone effected by Wakefield’s scare trying his best to get more sources. All in all, just seems like a surprisingly angry dude who thinks he’s smarter than everyone else.

[@Picaru-u]

I was today-years-old when I realized that B's hair shine acts like an eye. So cool!

[@LunaDeaminac]

It’s kinda fun to see a hard scientist like Goldman trying to work in a soft science field. For people that don’t know, the terms are connected to how predictable the results are. In physics (and computer science) X+Y always=Z and, as long as the calculations are correct, you can predict what Z will be. In biology on the other hand (and medical science) X+Y sometimes =Z and all the possible options for ‘Z’ can be are incredibly wide ranging and depends on variables you don’t have access to. Computer science tends to be rather self contained with nothing from the outside effecting the study, something that is fundamentally impossible in the medical field due to the subject of study having an entire life outside of the test and many complex interactions within themselves. It’s not surprising that he saw two lines on a graph and jumped to a conclusion without looking at the wider world considering he had basically been trained not to.

[@Nixeu42]

He bloody well shouldn't have been. Assuming you've controlled for all variables and jumping to conclusions from then is just as bad a mistake in hard science as soft. Even physics and comp sci isn't as precise in application and actual testing as it is on paper. "Correlation is not causation" is true in all fields of science. His specialty doesn't excuse his ignorance. Seriously, I'm an early undergrad in a fairly hard science field, and I know better than that. Especially with anything statistical. Science is supposed to be about trying to prove yourself wrong, not assuming you're right based on a single data set.

[@besssorensen5433]

I 100% agree with most of what you mention, but you might want to find a scientist to bug about things like JSTOR, etc. There was a couple things like that: for example, although the abstracts are free, most peer-reviewed studies cost money to access, unless you have access through your university or employer or the journal is open access (which is happening more now), also you mentioned “not trusting anyone but MDs” MDs do not do research very often. PhDs do. The fact he was a PhD in comp sci was the issue, LOL! As an aside, I’m a PhD immunologist and I wanted to thank you for making this. Really great video!

[@Nixeu42]

That's why my stepfather respects PhDs in medical fields more than MDs: PhDs have directly contributed to the total sum of medical knowledge, MDs haven't, necessarily (though some obviously do).

[@FirstNameLastName-rd8ey]

Whoever voiced the "woke" anti-vaxxer did a great job at sounding pretentious I was dying 💀

[@flashthemonkey6032]

19:55 Feg, your narration is perfectly fitting, but not to the viewers’ benefit, because I can feel the pain Ponder likely did while reading thissssss

[@bowserk.44]

I like that I learned about the C.R.A.P. test in high school, cause I hate when people use none credible links.

[@pondersprocket2274]

The C.R.A.P. test? I don’t believe I’m familiar.

[@bowserk.44]

@@pondersprocket2274 Oh sorry, It's essentially a bit of what you did with the articles. It looks like it's spelled C.R.A.A.P, which is just Currency (time, like the article from 19-something and since it's not current enough it's not reliable), Relevance (is the article on topic), Authority (does the author have the credentials that show they know what they're talking about?), Accuracy (essentially "is the information true"), and Purpose (what was the point of the person writing the article), there's more to it, but that's just the jist of it and it helps to determine how reliable an article is... at most you could also use common sense, but it's just a way to teach people how to determine if an article is reliable.

[@taylorwright7428]

People just need to go to their normal doctor, and get their needed vaccines and check-ups. Some people DO have adverse reactions to some vaccines due to certain ingredients, but with all doctors' offices having full systems to keep up with patients and their allergies or weaknesses, they won't give you something that they think would make you sick, or be possibly deadly. Why do you think they ask if you have allergies to anything when you're there? If they don't trust doctors, I suppose it'd be due to paranoia and some rare cases they could've heard about, and I could understand that, but most people who would just want to harm others wouldn't be willing to go through the long, stressful & rigorous training + schooling needed to get a doctorate and a role where they're trusted with another humans life. Just make sure they're a legit doctor and you'll be fine.

[@BlookyBot101]

I only just realised Empty Brooke's hair highlight is an eye

[@KazooKid0214]

Hey Ponder, I just wanted to thank you for the tweet that you were criticized for. I'm a healthy-looking 17 yr old kid, who passes for an abled person quite easily, but am actually being tested for childhood fibromyalgia, and have a slew of lung and heart problems. We need people like you to help tell abled people that sometimes, the choice isn't about them. Just because you might (MIGHT) be okay without a vaccine doesn't mean you can't pass it to an immunocompromised person who wouldn't live through it, even of that immunocompromised person was themselves vaccinated. Vaccines may not be perfect protection, but if everyone got vaccinated it would make our lives a hell of a lot easier, especially because the choice to get one has little to no effect on abled people. Additionally, just, the amount of ableism against us autistic people when it comes to vaccines are insane. It truly hurts yo know some people would rather die a slow and painful death from Covid-19 than be like me. And that's not even CONSIDERING it is literally IMPOSSIBLE for vaccines to cause autism. It's a whole damn rabbit hole but that guy, Andrew Wakefield, who proposed scientifically that vaccines can cause autism was literally doing it to make money, and the large majority of the children in the study were either subjected ti very painful and possibly life threatening medical tests without the consent of the parents or of the hospital's medical board, didn't have autism in the first place, or both. Before then, literally only a hundred or so people thought that vaccines could cause autism, and it was mostly because the MMR vaccine was given in the same time period that autistic symptoms start presenting more obviously.

[@Nixeu42]

I always had an issue with Andrew Wakefield....but finally reading the details of his "work" made me go from "disdain" to "visceral hatred". Lumber punctures on autistic children. That shit is awful enough when you understand what's happening and know it's necessary. But there's no way those kids understood at all what was happening to them. Fucking sickening. Also, as an aside, my sympathies on the "look like a healthy 17 year old but are actually chronically ill" thing. I've been there, though my issues are nowhere near as extreme. I got POTS (with associated brain fog and chronic fatigue) at 15, and it was...rough, to say the least. And I was lucky: I got diagnosed almost immediately because I went a cardiologist who just happened to specialize in the syndrome, rather than spending years scrambling for a diagnosis. I remember I developed a chronic habit of apologizing for things, even things that were in no way even related to me, out of lingering guilt for causing my family problems and asking them to do stuff for me, when my symptoms were bad. And they've been extremely supportive and never really begrudged me help. Hope you're getting the care you need as well.

[@debleb166]

scientific journals put their stuff behind paywalls all the time, from medicine to psychology to paleontology and probably everything else too. sucks but there's ways to unlock articles for free

[@toratoragaming]

My mom had chicken pox as a kid, and singles five years ago. She is STILL in pain from it constantly.

[@pondersprocket2274]

I am so sorry to hear that your mother is suffering from shingles. Any long-term suffering condition is horrible for people to have to endure. I sincerely hope that she can find reprieve from her condition.

[@CandyTrickster]

My mom had shingles and she lost her hair mostly cause of the blisters, her right eyesight in one eye was temp worse than it use to cause she gotten it in her eyes. I had to help her patch up and make sure she kept her skin hydrated

[@Silly-The-Third]

These types of ppl piss me off but some of them I feel bad for, some anti-vacs I mean. yeah, some of them are super pretentious about their beliefs and think that we're all just a bunch of 'sheeple", but some are just.. distrusting of doctors and afraid for their children. They must be very paranoid to not trust doctors but i understand it. The best that you can do though is just try to inform people, and encourage people to inform themselves by doing proper research, which you have done. Also super happy you've uploaded again! your videos are very entertaining

[@galeg4021]

Shingles might have risen during the major administration of chicken pox vaccs, but that's only in adults who had chicken pox as children. There was a social shift in that time (1990s) where parents started becoming more invokved with their kids lives and interacted more face to face with more people, including a larger number of adults who had chicken pox as children, making them ALL more suceptible to shingles. i'm not an epidemiologist, but I do know that disease transmission rates are always influenced by multiple factors, including social customs and attitudes.

[@starlightthewolf6612]

May I ask, what's so scary about autism? I'm autistic and I know some people who are autistic as well, yes it's different for each of us but we're all still able to live normal lives. I just don't understand the scare, our brains are wired differently is all

[@greenultraacid]

Thank you! I hate people using autism as a excuse to not vaccinate, because that all it is….a excuse.

[@mokkakaffearts4315]

Ponder I normally like your content, and I like this for the most part. However, the low-functioning end of the spectrum isn't rare. My brother is nonverbal and unable to provide for himself or to be left alone. I've seen a lot of low functioning in just my small town. One of my brother's former classmates that were lower functioning than my brother passed away in the last few years. Autism is a disability and you can get disability from the government for it.

[@pondersprocket2274]

Thank you for the correction~ I wasn’t considering that as much as I should have been.

[@mokkakaffearts4315]

@@pondersprocket2274 It's all good :) Love your commentaries! And yes, vaccinate kids XD

[@caramel9154]

Yo i hate to be rude but autisim is closer to a colour spectrum and doesn't really have 'low functioning' people nor 'high functioning'. Not as in he can suddenly care for himself it's just that there's various symptoms, like some can draw but forget to eat due to hyperfixation or something like that. Others might be able to care for themselves but don't register danger instantly/properly. Again, I don't mean to be rude, just trying to point out your brother's not lower or higher than anyone in terms of functioning, he just kinda _is_ y'know?

[@mokkakaffearts4315]

@@caramel9154 He is lower functioning, he hyper fixates on things, his official diagnosis is level 2. There is a functioning spectrum, www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jr.....0d4A&t=32s (This is a mother explaining her son's behavior and this is extremely similar behavior). My brother can not respond to questions like 'how was your day' or 'why do you like legos?' We're currently watching the lego movie for the hundredth time this week. My brother is on disability because he can not get a job, live on his own, drive a car, and can't communicate simple things. I am aware of the symptoms of autism, my brother was diagnosed by a specialist at Oklahoma University back in the 90's when he was 3. His disability is not him or who he is, do not insinuate it is.

[@thefirecenter9624]

@@mokkakaffearts4315 But it is a part of him. He wouldn't be the same person if he wasn't autistic. Also. As an Autistic person, a lot of us would like to get rid of the functioning labels specifically because they help perpetuate and place stigma on autistic people who need more support than others and can't mask as well. I'm also fairly certain Sherbet Tea either is also an autistic person, or was trying to better educate you on the consensus of the autistic community. So it'd be appreciated if you did not speak over them and continue to use labels like low functioning that help stigmatize autistic traits. Many autistic people hyperfixate on things. If I used the functioning labels, I would be considered "high" functioning because I'm able to mask well, but I sometimes am nonverbal, and during hyper fixation I often have forgotten to eat, drink, move around, and in some cases even forgotten to sleep (I've pulled all nighters on accident because I've begun to hyperfixate). A better term for your brother might be that he is high support. Or that he needs more support from others. But the functioning labels, and the function spectrum is quite honestly bullshit, and has been in many cases functionally useless to describing the barriers that some autistic people who are high support face.

[@scarletrosalia940]

This is one of my favorite of your series! So excited!

[@lexi3312]

I've tossed them at the Hbomberguy video and pointed them to specific parts when they refuse to watch the whole thing. But for those situations I try to play on their confidence that they'll be able to debunk it and own me with 'facts' to get them to watch. It's had an ok success rate, so that's nice. But yeah this stuff just bothers me so much.

[@pondersprocket2274]

That’s a really good way to go about it~!

[@lexi3312]

@@pondersprocket2274 Well this was nice to groggily wake-up to, thanks! See ya next video!

[@Gsn1vy]

WOOOO YEAH ANOTHER VIDEO i can't help but not be excited for what this has in store for us.

[@thefirecenter9624]

As an autistic person, a small critique: The functioning labels are bullshit and pretty much functionally useless. They aren't prescribed based on actual functionality, they're assigned based more on how well or not well an autistic person is able to mask as a NT person, rather than whether or not that person has the skills necessary to continue in society. A lot of the Autistic Community would much rather retire these labels. As it also places further stigma on those who aren't able to mask as well and show their autistic traits more.

[@pondersprocket2274]

I thank you for taking the time to correct me and apologize for my ignorance on the matter.

[@thefirecenter9624]

@@pondersprocket2274 And I appreciate that you took the time to read through the comments and see this! You're very welcome, although it looks like I wasn't the first to point it out, so I apologize if this comment felt a little repetitive of some of the others you've gotten already.

[@Veryfreshveryflourish24]

Ponder sprocket advertising her twitter, the video. I am sold.

[@thewafflebat3722]

Just like to add that Kurzgesagt has good videos about the immune system and vaccines. They're simplified for sure, but it's good for getting the gist.

[@oscarv_art]

Had to do some translation because I don't know what chicken pox and shingles was in French. But now I would like to speak, as a person who get chicken pox and study in lab' stuff. Chicken pox and shingles is the same virus. However, it is most says that if you got chicken pox during childhood, you will have nothing after getting healed. As a child, I unfortunately scratch and now get a little hole scare on my nose that is barely visible. Also, after getting chicken pox, the virus is blocked by our immunity. Meaning that getting shingles is rare, especially with child. Plus, you cannot transmit the shingles as disease even though, the virus can be transmitted. But again, since we usually encounter this virus, our body is able to protected us from it. It just depends on everybody. Not everyone can have a good immunity. Now something that I hate to hear is "If you are not vaccinated, you are putting people to death !". This isn't true. Getting vaccinated doesn't mean you protect the others. The Principe of the vaccination, is to put a gene that is unique to the micro-organism, in order for our immunity to prepare themselves against the real one, and avoiding to get the horrible symptoms. This is due to time. A immunity that never encounter a micro-organism (bacteria, fungi, parasite, virus) will take at least a full week to fight back or more depending of the difficulty to find it. On the other hands, if it already encounter the micro-organism, the immunity take less time to fight back, like 3 days instead of a week. This is why we have an immunity's memory. However, this memory can be forget if the body doesn't contract the micro-organism in years. This is like school when you have to read your lesson in order to remember. If you don't, you are not able to answer question about it. Immunity system and memory work like the same. So by this, it means that even if you are vaccinated, you can still have the virus and by it, transmitted it. People are mostly to die over any organism is the oldest, as their body cells are getting weaker and loosing efficient. But also people who contacted the HIV, since this virus is located in our immunity's cells and so, with years, it became less efficient and the production of immunity's cells is getting tired. Same with people who have to take medics after getting a transplant or chimiotherapy, or are just have immunodeficiency. Vaccinated people have to still be prudent with people who have difficulty with their own immune. Getting vaccinated or not, everyone has their choice and try to explain it. And should be respect, even though a respectful debate can be engaged. Also, vaccinated or not, you shouldn't not out pressure to people who doesn't follow you. Their have their choice.

[@aza3921]

I have autism, i'm disabled and the thing is my autism isn't bad, dealing with people around me who are ignorant are

[@NameIsABug]

I honestly can't describe the JOY I felt when I saw my "the bacon can be gay" piece in this video, like.. I am SCREAMING rn!!! Also, I absolutely love the sprites XD I know they're unfinished but the sketchy vibe makes me all squishy and I love it-

[@TotalFreakZoid]

Me: Oh Ponder posted a video! Cool *watches* *gets to **19:55* *chokes* PFFF-

[@aikonachan]

Me: sees a ponder video Also me: *grabs drawing suplies* Another story time drawing lezzzz goooooooo

[@honeydeehaven2654]

As someone on the spectrum and someone who dealt with chronic pain syndrome i can say for certain the chronic pain is worse.

[@CosmiccNova]

I adore how this Twitter ‘critic’ sounds like a like kid trying to argue their point to two adults 😂 he wanted to sit at the big kid table so bad.

[@lissaylissean9940]

I love you Ponder, but it's just not true that research journals don't require payment to access their articles. Most do. It's a long-standing ethical dilemma that knowledge is held behind paywalls, but it is how these journals are funded. It's standard practice. It's why you gain special access to journals in college.

[@angelorosso4871]

8:15 that has the same energy as an apologist saying "I used to be an atheist", their full of complete bunk

[@Aickelodeon]

You know those "uppety-wannabe smart guys" on Twitter that talk as if they're in a Harry Potter book?

[@monstermoth1212]

1 Egg,2 Egg,3 Egg, 4 ponder is live and I'm up some more

[@d_1044]

The voice for the antivaxxer goes hard and I love the dramatic anime vibes

[@emilyinfinite1412]

As a red color Spyro once said "EVIDENCE, SHOW EVIDENCESSSSSS SPILL THE TEA SIS!"

[@dalio8877]

The fact that he kept citing one single PSYCHOLOGIST over and over again to prove his point about VACCINES just doesn't sit right with me. I think he's mixing up psychologists with psychiatrists (people who study a form of medicine for things like anxiety or BPD) but even then they would still have limited information on SHINGLES since that really has nothing to do with the study of the brain.

[@pondersprocket2274]

If you're talking about Gary Goldman, he's actually a computer scientist, not a psychologist, so shingles is even *more* out of his purview of study.

[@missliv.404]

It fascinates me every time how Ponder can deal with this much bullshit for so long

[@simsgirlgem]

Also I’m wired differently not broken I’m so sick of people acting like autism is like cancer

[@mossyopal]

Alright, I've had it. You got me. I've gotta draw fanart of ya'll. You have done this to yourselves.

[@GutzNRibz]

Haven't watched the video yet but if this is not covered, the "doctor" who made most of the claims surrounding the Ebil Dangers of Vaccines™ only did so for general vaccines while selling his own at exorbitant prices to less fortunate communities, which is ironic since he now created a community were he wouldn't be able to sell them anymore

[@pondersprocket2274]

Andrew Wakefield, yeah, he gets brought up. Thankfully not a doctor anymore.

[@TuesdaysArt]

The HBomb video really unravels the ridiculousness of it all.

[@HOWABOUTN0M4YE]

as a artistic person I am just so dang surprised seeing alot ppl demonizing autism. I know living with it it can be annoying to live with it but still wtf

[@sin-isterstudios2854]

27:25 Um...hello, I'm (well technically was) ruby_sin1410 and I'm so happy you like the fanart!

[@shadow-senpai]

babe wake up, new ponder sprocket video dropped

[@Thewaterspirit57]

Soo many of these voices are posh British types XP Like… “pip pip! Cherio!~” All that

[@Suniassaminas]

I'm not glad that my little sister is technically on the less gifted end of the spectrum, but I'm glad that she is isn't suffering daily with a virus that could potentially kill her. Like bro, most people would pick autism then fucking DEATH.

[@carpesolis]

The Rowldemort edit made me fucking cackle.

[@souropossum2762]

My trip to work just became ten times more infuriating and entertaining at the same time. Thank you. 😌

[@thegoatcarnival]

Whenever I hear "shingles," I think of Pringles, and whenever I think of Pringles, I wanna go find that delicious pizza-flavored tube. So thanks, B.

[@discodetectiive]

the “Vaccine Critical” with the fade-in of ms. ‘gender critical’ herself took me OUT. wonderful editing as always lmfaoo

[@spiritninja5757]

Adventures in critiquing always my beloved

[@canyounot1319]

"An anti vaxxer" oh god it is time to lose braincells

[@trashleytheartist]

People who are **ahem** "vaccine critical" are such a *headache* istg-

[@Ceradeez]

3:23 BASED PONDER LETS FUCKING GO!

[@marklorem]

Not the high-functioning/low-functioning tags 😨

[@pondersprocket2274]

Yes, I’m sorry. People have since been kind enough to inform me that these are outdated and stem from offensive sources.

[@FRICKTHEPIRATE]

I was thinking I should return to Twitter, then I saw this video.

[@seattlegirl14]

I know it was a goof, but it was unintentionally hilarious to hear them switched. Oh the humanity

[@nitewaver]

babe wake up new ponder sprocket just dropped

[@mothynightmares6342]

This man's logic made my brain into soup...

[@2hr1ne]

THE GUY HE BASED HIS WHOLE ARGUMENT ON NOT HAVING A MEDICINAL PHD FUCKING SENT ME

[@Kay-yi1qm]

This man's sounds like he's trying really hard to be the new Jonathan Sims

[@420starchild]

YES. MORE CONTENT. I love all you do brooke!

[@mushroomtheelf2124]

THE SHINE IN THE HAIR IS A EYE!?!?

[@pondersprocket2274]

Character design! [jazz hands]

[@killsteel8498]

I have autism and the only thing it did to me is making me have social issues and easy to get stressed from loud noises I have friends that have it worst than I

[@gordonmorgan3131]

Im autistic. My mom is anti vax. I also grew up deathly ill almost every day bc my body couldn't handle the common cold which meant my abuser simply had more chances to abuse me over my sister. Im an adult now and i think my parents are idiots, and now my 7 yr old lil sister cant read or write bc schools dont accept unvaccinated children and my abuser/father wont let my lil sister learn anything I hate anti vaxxers.

[@dogfoodwaster9165]

my grandmother was bed bound for 2 weeks because of covid, none of my relatives were vaccinated until after she was healed from her bedriddeness, get vaxxed if you can please!

[@vickysaraharts822]

I don’t know if it’s just the voice actor or what, but Mr Green sounded like such a interesting fella. It’s hard to describe

[@prettylittleworld8970]

I had chicken pox twice because I only got a 'mild case' at first. My brother had it so bad he had it up his nose and in his mouth. That's a lot of suffering that a shot could have changed. Like, yeah, chicken pox isn't necessarily the most deadly of childhood diseases, but no parent should want their kids to suffer when there is another way to sort it. And yeah, it helps towards not probably getting shingles in later life. And I have worked with kids/adults with autism all across the spectrum and they are awesome individuals. Don't think I would have gotten the same experience with, ya know... dead people >.>