October 24 - Tempers flared in the North Gauteng High Court, during an application to prevent former crime intelligence boss Richard Mdluli from returning to work.
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@katlegokagishomailola43054 жыл бұрын
I had an opportunity of working with Adv. Mokhare SC in various matters. I must say, he's always on point. His arguments are unbelievable, they simply shows the level of wisdom that one has.
@pietshk310420 күн бұрын
Wow.
@ainanelifas3 жыл бұрын
"How dare you speak to me like that" The Judge wants to be respected but cant even offer the same respect. Why do judges want to be hailed high like they are gods?
@ramasodimalete26993 жыл бұрын
He’s in contempt of court!!
@rage26372 жыл бұрын
They ARE playing God though
@pietshk310420 күн бұрын
@@ramasodimalete2699 yes you are right. Wait your surname sounds familiar. 😲
@larryk11534 жыл бұрын
All because he said it was presumptuous?? 😂... I'm gonna be held in contempt all the time.
@crazyfishmonster4594 жыл бұрын
Insulting the judge is like insulting the court. The judge is almost always a senior advocate, too
@ramasodimalete26993 жыл бұрын
Lol not because of that only miss. He failed to respond to, the judge’s requests. And made a strict assertion that he was not going to answer a question, the judge hasn’t even determined was presumptuous or not!
@kunenepeter5 жыл бұрын
The Judge is also out of order. He failed to uphold 10 Commandment of a judicial officer, one of which is patience. You don't walk away like that causing unnecessary drama. He literally failed to contain his emotions.
@monicaChibi-je8sq8 ай бұрын
He is the same as Ratha Apartheid Judges mxm
@homeofserenityandscenery13124 күн бұрын
The Judge walked because he is not used to people telling him the truth. He is usually the baas in charge of everything. He should have been fired for walking out on the job.
@mariamahalie22574 жыл бұрын
My brother you were correct, the judge must be fair and can’t order you to take your seat and verbally threaten you. As a court he is supposed to be the one who must kept and restore order. He could have adjourned the court and called you to his chambers to solve the matter. In the end another judge had to come to adjourn the case.
@joemahlangu45844 жыл бұрын
South African judges behave like they Gods, they only human and they should also treat other people with respect.
@t_DaKaDa4 жыл бұрын
that is due to ethic of respect the Judiciary order, akukho kini in court, this is a profession of hierarchy, you feel otherwise the are proper channels to address such. Lets not make a court like SA parliament.
@ghostlyt43443 ай бұрын
Judges behave like across the globe in actual fact our judges are even lenient. Sit this one out.
@user2952954 жыл бұрын
Talk back to a judge like that and youre not gonna win your argument.
@eugenemolebatsi18713 жыл бұрын
Even if you provide evidence as facts? Judges should learn to control their emotions and be open to criticism, they are not Gods.
@user2952953 жыл бұрын
@@eugenemolebatsi1871 Indeed they're not gods, they're human. Moreover, if you're disrespect rises to the level of contempt the judge will treat you and your case with the view if defending the honour of the court. Not a good place to be if you're trying to act in the best interests of your client.
@shastriyasangeetinstituteo3142 Жыл бұрын
This is a case of poor judicial temperament. Judges must restrain themselves under the Judicial Code of Conduct. Counsel has correctly, in my view, taken a stand against such temperament.
@mashaud92853 жыл бұрын
A black counsel start by defending himself before he or she could actually defend his/her client's case.
@ios64742 жыл бұрын
Here after advocate Teffo
@tsheposibidla5 жыл бұрын
Refusing to cooperate with the court. He should be held in contempt.
@honeydate5 жыл бұрын
Judges wield too much power..think they above everyone else
@user-vw5xx7vb2c7 ай бұрын
How dare you speak to me like that? That kind of statement is not edify the law from the judge.
@fabrigus64055 жыл бұрын
I WONDER those who make anti adv Mokhari comments have they ever been in motion court proceedings addresing the court directly. Motion court can be ruthless if you allow yourself to be easily bullied by Judges like this "presumptuous " question which was in contention between Adv Mokhari and Judge Murphy the effect of that question was a very dispositive one to the matter if you care to follow those proceedings so Adv Mokhari being a SENIOR COUNSEL was very mindful of answering that " presumptuous " question will have an extinguishing effect on his client's case. When you are in court answer factual questions not subliminal assumptions in the question because you are there to present facts not deductive reasoning. So you must have balls first and experience to lock the judge on facts. Above all advocacy profession is not for those who got timorous souls. How can you potray your intellectual vigour against seasoned judges if you are a timid advocate, intellectual vigour need no person who is afraid to stretch court's decorum when the judge is showing untimely and univited intellectual superiority.
@t_DaKaDa4 жыл бұрын
Nonsense, his part, the advocate being in contempt of court was not being of timorous souls according to you?
@fabrigus64053 жыл бұрын
@@t_DaKaDa you're intellectually sterile wena I doubt you've ever been to motion court Magistrate nor High Court I doubt you have ever appeared even before tribal authority court ( under tree) and move your client's case
@t_DaKaDa3 жыл бұрын
@@fabrigus6405 That is your opinion at large it is meaningless. I don't need to have even a paralegal certificate to have an opinion. You haven't reason with me if you turn to have thee academic know who i am attitude, let alone i need not people like you who are emotionally tied and bias to tell me what courts do. This was not a factual matter if it was be it senior counsel he presented it poorly this happens like to Adv Mpofu for example. Next time punctuate since you thinking western education paper has turned you to a better person who makes judgement on people who you don't even know.
@fabrigus64053 жыл бұрын
@@t_DaKaDa The problem started when I attacked the court process you in turn attacked me in your commentary. But in any event I haven't discern any sound and convincing logic from you as to whether the judge can compel an advocate to break sequence of his argument because it ( the argument) can only be convincing and logically once all the argument chain is presented not part thereof. BUT SO FAR YOU HAVE PRESENTED ME WITH AN INCOHERENT AND BALDERDASH COMMENTS WHICH DOES NOT WORTH A DIGNIFIED PROCEDURAL COURT RESPONSE.
@t_DaKaDa3 жыл бұрын
You attack a court process which you call factual whereas nothing was factual but a wording technicality (the word was; presumptuous to be precise) followed by your emotions since the is a legal process to deal with a judge that was not far from people like you. Let alone you appear drunk in only your thinking , you were attacking me about my academic stand which by the way you have no knowledge about unless you have some educated guess to what an attack is that you will like me to know.
@sbuskosana22813 жыл бұрын
I remember this
@oscarmalwa13655 жыл бұрын
Tumezoea Ahmednassir Abdullahi hapa Kenya hizo ni ndogo ndogo.
@sxovela_mxo2 жыл бұрын
😂 there was no need for both of them to act up because of egos jurisprudence allows the advocate to apply for the judge to recuse himself with substantiation of course...but I'm guessing throwing a tantrum and leaving isn't judicial practice anyway
@nomaswazishabalala5086 ай бұрын
Something is happening in courts in South Africa iyoooh judges and Advocates iyoooh Baba uNkulunkulu ngenelela ezweni lethu South Africa its really sad.
@luckynkundla58182 ай бұрын
Stop calling them my Lord that is the problem
@Mahlatse116 жыл бұрын
Counsel was out of order
@fabrigus64054 жыл бұрын
@Thando Sisilana. Go and read the judicial conduct charter of the European Court for human rights. The decorum of that court was mirrored by our own constitutional court in terms of which the advocate is given timeous opportunity to give a road-map for his/her client's case in a form of opening statement. In this case that was not the position the advocate opened his client's case by a question from the judge which clearly contradicts the decorum of fair adjudication. So the advocate as I understand him was insisting on that decorum and the judge was being creative on it. Intellectual superiority is the problem in court proceedings if it's not timely displayed lead to this kind furore when advicates who are not timid will tell a senior judge (black or white) what time is it----- if you know what I mean.
@ramasodimalete26993 жыл бұрын
Nope wrong. Did you even watch the actual interaction. Firstly, he didn’t keep quiet and take a seat when the judge started speaking. Secondly, He asserted that the judge’s question was presumptuous. And then preceded to state that he wouldn’t answer the question (bear in mind the questions of the court should be answered). That is very disrespectful of the court! Not the judge but the court, because what he’s basically saying is that he doesn’t care about the judges ruling on the matter of presumptuousness.
@katenokulungagabayi89124 ай бұрын
Judge Ratha in 2023 😅😅
@oratile19772 жыл бұрын
So sad to see Adv Zulu! May his soul rest in peace
@notafanofpots52442 жыл бұрын
What happened to him
@oratile19772 жыл бұрын
@@notafanofpots5244 He was hijacked and killed, check out his story on the online publications, Advocate Mandla Zulu
@notafanofpots52442 жыл бұрын
@@oratile1977 oh! So sad 😞
@mokgethwamoalosi38556 жыл бұрын
Judge is the Court, Counsel's conduct does not appear to be consistent with ethic of respect the Judiciary order.
@radiolaw32973 жыл бұрын
Advocates should of course fearlessly pursue their client's best interests even in the face of judicial disapproval, but this conduct crossed the line in that the advocate several times disregarded the judge's instructions.
@dbndlamini28252 ай бұрын
White judge was angry therefore the matter was adjourned 😮this settlers are undermine black excellency’s, maybe this judge never ever written a affidavits in his life or even argue a matter with another judge.
@MohsinKhan-os5vl7 жыл бұрын
kes nabr 246 and 247 gujrat kes
@bebetormwashupa93952 жыл бұрын
Kkkk maFacts
@chippakaribafox28657 ай бұрын
Africans still being judged with bombocrat cocasians is ...... "HOW DARE YOU TO SPEAK TO ME LIKE THAT" That judge has to go back to holland😕